Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Mar 13 2026

Why Buck Joined the CIA

Clay Travis & Buck Sexton recap four confirmed jihadist‑motivated attacks within a two‑week span: the deadly Austin, Texas shooting by an attacker wearing pro‑Iran and Islamic clothing; the attempted IED attack outside New York City’s Gracie Mansion; the mass‑casualty attempt at Temple Israel near Detroit, where an armed synagogue security officer killed the would‑be bomber; and the horrifying classroom attack at Old Dominion University in Virginia, where a convicted terror sympathizer opened fire on ROTC students before being killed in hand‑to‑hand combat by the cadets. The hosts repeatedly emphasize that all four attackers shared the same ideological motive, each acting in response to the ongoing U.S. and Israeli military operations against Iran. Buck, drawing on his CIA counterterrorism background after 9/11, explains that this pattern is exactly what intelligence analysts anticipate following major U.S. strikes on jihadist‑aligned regimes, and he predicts that more lone‑wolf or sleeper‑cell events are highly likely.
The hour also focuses heavily on updated messaging from Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, whose early‑morning briefings continue dominating national conversation. Clay and Buck play and analyze Hegseth’s latest remarks confirming that Iran’s newly elevated figurehead, Mojtaba Khamenei—nicknamed “Little Mo”—is gravely injured, likely disfigured, and incapable of appearing on camera, forcing the regime to issue written statements pretending he is functional. Hegseth asserts that Iran’s leadership is hiding underground in bunkers and is unable to coordinate an effective counterattack, leaving the regime temporarily paralyzed as U.S. and Israeli forces dismantle its missile defenses, airfields, and naval assets. Buck notes that while the air campaign has been strategically devastating to Iran, the regime is not collapsing; the IRGC remains in control, citizens are too terrified to revolt, and true regime change is not in sight without boots on the ground—a step neither Trump nor the American public would support.

Steve Hilton Can Save CA

California gubernatorial candidate Steve Hilton, who discusses both lighthearted personal moments—such as his now‑famous “MAGA beard”—and the serious policy battles unfolding in the state. Hilton details the massive hospice and medical fraud uncovered through Califraud.com, explaining that billions in state funds have been siphoned off by corrupt networks tied directly to Democratic donors, including healthcare interests and government‑aligned unions. He emphasizes that this is not incompetence but systemic corruption, fueled by a political machine that profits from fraudulent schemes while taxpayers suffer. Hilton outlines his reform agenda, including the role of the state controller, who would have the power to audit and immediately shut off funding to fraudulent organizations—an authority he argues is essential for restoring accountability in California.
Much of Hour 2 focuses on the escalating California governor’s race under the state’s “top‑two” jungle primary system. Hilton explains that Democrats are consolidating behind Eric Swalwell, who is rapidly rising in polls thanks to backing from major unions and the Nancy Pelosi political machine. Hilton warns that if Republicans split their vote between him and his GOP rival, Chad Bianco—whom he criticizes for taking a knee for BLM and supporting amnesty—California could end up with a general‑election matchup between Swalwell and billionaire climate activist Tom Steyer. He cites current RealClearPolitics averages showing him in the lead among Republicans and stresses that unifying behind a single conservative candidate is the only path to making the November ballot. Hilton and Clay also discuss California’s sky‑high gas prices, with Hilton explaining that Democratic environmental extremism—not global events—is responsible for the state’s $2‑per‑gallon premium over the national average. He reveals that California sits atop enormous untapped oil reserves, yet imports nearly 80% of its oil due to regulatory chokeholds that have shut down pipelines and refineries. Hilton pledges that as governor he will end the state’s war on fossil fuels, reopen production, keep refineries alive, and bring gasoline back to $3 a gallon.

Taxes, Taxes, Taxes

Clay and Buck focus on one of the most consequential long‑term demographic and political shifts underway in the United States: the accelerating exodus of high‑income earners from high‑tax blue states to low‑tax red states. Clay opens the hour by explaining that California, New York, Illinois,

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in m clay Travis Buck Sexton show, both from Florida,
although opposite ends of the state. I am on the Panhandle.
Buck is down in South Florida. As spring Break twenty
twenty six arrives in the Travis household, pray for me.
I'm gonna have a bunch of eighteen year olds, my

(00:22):
son and several of his friends down for spring break
with Dad as chaperone.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
So we will see how that goes.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
But that is officially underway, and we've got a lot
to update you on yet another early morning press conference
from Secretary of War Pete Hegsath, laying out all the
particulars that is dominating discussion as we begin the day
here on the Friday edition of the program, We're going

(00:50):
to go out to California at the top of the
next hour, just to give you a heads up. The
primary in California is getting closer and closer. Steve Hilton
Republican can that they're the top two advance regardless of party.
We will discuss all of that and what is a
free for all absolute Donnybrook that has broken out in California.
What is the latest there on who might be the

(01:12):
next governor to replace Gavin Newsom. But Buck, I think
we began where we basically ended yesterday's show with the
news coming of it officially, as we told you it
was likely to be having been yet another terror attack.
Two different terror attacks happening yesterday. One in Virginia at

(01:33):
Old Dominion. We'll get into some of the details there.
Brave Rozzi students were able to disarm and kill the
would be terrorists with their bare hands, and that is
pretty remarkable. We will talk about it. One loss of
life there. We will certainly honor that loss of life

(01:55):
as well. In West Bloomfield, Michigan, outside of Detroit, a
clear attempted terror attack, A good guy with a gun
ended it and took and killed the life of the
would be terrorist. But coming on the heels of Austin,
Texas wear a guy in an Iran shirt and a

(02:18):
pro Islam sweatshirt on top of that killed two innocent
people and wounded several others. You then have the situation
in New York City where two would be Isis sympathizers
tried to throw IEDs outside of Gracie Mansion in New
York City, which fortunately did not go off. And now

(02:38):
we are sitting here with Austin, Texas, New York City,
Old Dominion University in Virginia, and just outside of Detroit
in Michigan, four different Muslim fundamentalist motivated terror attacks in
the space of about two weeks. It feels unlikely to
me that this is the end of it. Buck, and

(03:00):
you joined the CIA some time ago, specifically to help
catch the bad guys after nine to eleven, so you
are particularly well versed in this. What is your reaction
now that we have what we suggested was likely to
be the case, but now have complete confirmation that all
four of these attacks have the same motive in place

(03:21):
as the war in Iran continues, What would CIA analyst
Buck Sexton be doing this morning if he was in Langley. Well,
I think we can count on the New York Times,
the Washington Posts, CNN and others to remind us that
while all the terrorist attacks that are actually happening are
Islamic radicals, the real threat of terrorism in this country

(03:43):
remains white supremacy. That's the real thing, which is was
the focal point of Biden's presidency was arguing the biggest
danger that we all face for those of you who
have forgotten. He constantly gave us multi years of that argument.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
And I just think that we're one Islamic ji hottist
or I guess that's kind of repetitive, because all jihatis
are Islamic. But one jie hottest terror attack away from
some guy instead of yelling a lah walk bar before
he hits the plunger on the suicide vest, maybe he'll
scream out the real terrorist threat is white supremacy kaboom.

(04:22):
I just wonder at what point the Democrats will have
to reassess reassess the big white supremacist threat. By the way,
per capita is also something that tends to challenge the
left and Democrats tremendously. They have no understanding of this whatsoever.
They compare the overall threat of Islamic terrorism and the
overall threat of white supremacist terrorism in this country.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
They also always leave out there.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Are five million, six million Muslims in the country, maybe
seven million, something like that. I didn't even know how
many white people there are, one hundred and fifty million,
one hundred and eighty million.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
I don't even know.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
So the fact that you're even having a conversation about
where is the real threat of And I just want
to be very clear, there are Jihadis who are white.
It's actually not about race at all. But the Democrats
don't understand that. They have no you know, remember the
guy who's captured, who's fighting for the Taliban, like that
can happen too.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Islam is an ideology. It's not a skin color. It's
not a race.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
They always try to conflate those things because they know
that if they can make it about racism, well that
everyone's oh my gosh, it's not racism, it's about an ideology.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Okay, No one's sitting here saying, you know.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
What the real threat of tourism is right now, all
the Buddhists in America, Oh my gosh, I'm so scared
of them. Has nothing to do with skin color, has
to do with ideology. And this is exactly what you
would expect after Remember, it's not just American strikes on Iran,
it is American Israeli strikes, American slash and Israeli strikes
on Iran. And so the fact that Israel is just

(05:48):
blowing up Irani and stuff left and right too, that
really sets off the Jihati community. And looking at the
Iran situation, Klay today. I know Hexath talked about it.
We have some more.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, you know what here, let's have here's secretary war.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
This cut one the not so supreme leader, he says
of mouch taba little mo as Clay calls him, this
is cut one player.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Iran's leadership is in no better shape. Desperate and hiding.
They've gone underground, cowering. That's what rats do we know?
The new so called not so supreme leader is wounded
and likely disfigured. He put our statement yesterday a weak
one actually, but there was no voice and there was
no video.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
It was a written statement.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
He called for unity. Apparently killing tens of thousands of
protesters is his kind of unity. Iran has plenty of
cameras and plenty.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
Of voice recorders.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Why a written statement, I think you know why.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
His father dead, he's scared, he's injured, he's on the run,
and he lacks legitimacy.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's a mess for them.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Who's in charge Iran may not even know.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Now this is on the good side of things, Clay,
that we're just there's no military CounterPunch from Iran whatsoever.
The concerning side of this or the side of this,
I think everybody needs to understand as well. The Iranians,
he said this, the Iranian leadership. Now they're fully hiding
under in bunkers and they're not meeting in any kind

(07:18):
of consolidated place, and they're just gonna ride this thing out,
and there's no opposition taking to the streets. So the
regime is not changing, everyone. The regime is not changing.
We just have a defanged, temporarily Iranian regime. Maybe they'll
have a different approach to the next round of negotiations,
but I do not see regime change happening here now.

(07:38):
Some of you will be, I think, happy with that
because it also means no US boots on the ground
and a limited mission.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Clay I read this morning getting ready for the show
a couple of different angles that I thought were super
interesting that we could dive into a little bit later
in the program. One David Boyce, who is probably the
foremost trial attorney, who is a Democrat in terms of
intellectual theft and success in the country, whatever you think

(08:06):
about his politics, wrote a great editorial in The Wall
Street Journal saying Democrats need to stop reflexively being opposed
to President Trump, that it's actually a really good thing
that we went into Iran and he lays out a
very strong argument. I thought, and and I was impressed
that he did it. Did you did you see this?
Because I do think it's a little bit of an interesting,

(08:29):
interesting shift.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
You don't think you have more respect for Boys because
of his lawyer success than I tend to give in
that he served as a board member and council for Thearanos,
the fraudulent blood testing company, and basically.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Threatened to uh.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Go after Wall Street Journal reporters who were trying to
unearth that Theronos was a giant fraud. So he got
taken in by that whole thing, I guess.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
But everybody did it seems if you go read that book,
Bad Blood, it's one of the best books that's been
written in a long But remember, Boys is like the
bad guy who shows up in the Wall Street Journal's
offices and is like, everything we've done, everything their nose
did is on the up and up.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
We're going to go after you. So I'm just saying
fair being very nice about this guy. That's a pretty
sketchy sy.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I would want the most zealous advocate possible, and I
think that's what he sees.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
His role as his lawyer.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Clay claim, Look, you could represent the head of the mob,
and Clay's like, hey, everybody needs counsel, Hey.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Everybody needs Hey. In fact, there's news that's just gone out.
I put my money where my mouth is. Uh, Laura
and I have made a big donation to Vanderbilt Law
School that is predicated on the idea that every different perspective,
because a lot of conservative perspectives are ridiculed in the
law right now, should be taught in law school, and

(09:50):
that lots of people who are military should have the
ability when they finished their service to.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Go get a law degree.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
So we're putting our money where our mouth is on
this so that we have zealous advocacy. So putting aside
that argument, here's something I think that is interesting that
is starting to be floated as well, the idea that
little Mo the that is the son of obviously the
Ayatola who was killed, that actually we are negotiating with

(10:19):
different elements of Iran that are more moderate.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
I'm curious if you would buy this.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
And inside of Iran they are using this guy who
may not even be able to speak based on the
significant injuries that have occurred to him, and Hegseth laid
out they didn't put a video, they didn't even have
audio of his statement that they released yesterday that they
are using him as a figurehead to make it seem
like the revolutionary elements of Iran are still in a

(10:49):
position of strength, but that in reality there are backchannel
negotiations going on and we might be setting up some
form of relationship there. Do you buy it to see?
I analyst bock by this guy's son being the figurehead
who's incapable of communication, and very few people know it,
and there are other individuals who now have risen to

(11:10):
power that are interacting with the US. That is one
theory that is out there. I hope that's true.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
I would bet a large sum of money that ends
up not being the case. I think unfortunately, we've done
everything that can be done from the sky, and there's
a hard red line on boots on the ground, and
I think it's the right red line, to be clear.
I agree with that red line, and there's a limit
to what you can do from the air. And the
Iranians have known now they got sucker punched a bit

(11:37):
on this. They were not obviously putting all their leadership together.
They didn't expect that we would hit them when we did.
They didn't expect to get hit in daylight. They didn't
expect all of this, so that was pretty incredible. And
they didn't know that we knew so much about where
they would be. That all said though, this is these
are the limitations of what you can do when you

(11:59):
don't control the ground, and we don't control the ground,
and the IRGC is still the security apparatus in that country,
and nobody wants to be the first one to poke
their head out their door and be like, you know,
maybe we could do something different here, because your head's
not going to stay on your shoulders.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
That's the concern.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
The other suggestion that I have seen is that we
should take the island with boots on the ground, delta
force style where they actually produce all the oil, and
just take control of their ability to produce oil. Because
this is kind of crazy. Iran is continuing to produce
oil and you're talking about grabbing carg Island. I mean that, yeah,

(12:37):
some pretty next level stuff.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
That is.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
I was doing all my reading buck I was trying
to prepare myself, like what are the different A goods.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
You're going deep onto this one. Well, I'm fascinated by it.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
I don't have the background of knowledge that you do,
so I'm trying to read as much as I can.
And there's an idea out there that Israeli and US
special forces could seize the island of oil production and
basically end any ability of Iran to have control over
the ingress or egress of oil. Not dissimilar in some

(13:09):
ways to what we did with Venezuela, but just take
control of this island and say, hey, we now are
the captain of the Iranian oil ship and we determine everything.
Because it's kind of crazy to me, buck I didn't
realize Iran has continued to refine and be shipping oil
even as we have been attacking them. I think that

(13:30):
would surprise a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
I mean, carg Island is essentially where all of the
processing of oil. Remember there's you'll hear these things, and
I know that some of you are listening to this
or like, I've been an oil man for forty years, Bucket,
you know a lot more than me. And sorry, I'm
just assuming the oil men are in Texas. Has pardon me.
But I know there's other places. But you know there's
some of the other stuff backwards and forwards. But you

(13:53):
hear things like heavy crude and sweet crude and all
this different stuff. This it has to be refined for
its usable in the marketplace. Right, It's not just like
it pumps out of the ground that it goes right
into a car. And ninety percent of car of Iranian
oil is processed at Carg Island. And you're talking about
almost a billion barrels of oil a year there, right,

(14:15):
So if you are you don't have to stop the
oil for being pumped out of the ground, nor do
you have to touch the oil infrastructure that does that,
which would be a very very bad idea to have
essentially a total choke point for Iranian oil exports because
they can't refine it, they ain't selling it. This is
the same way, one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
And this is why I think, in addition to not
wanting to give away strategic operational goals, this is why
boots on the ground doesn't necessarily mean tens of thousands
of troops. It could mean not only on this Carg Island,
but also on some of the nuclear mountainous terrain that
you might have to go into. It could mean elite

(14:55):
commando style raids with boots on the ground that is
very different than and what we saw, for instance, in Iraq.

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Speaker 3 (16:14):
Second hour of Clay and Buck goes right now. We're
joined by Steve Hilton. He's running for governor in California. Steve,
always great to have you our friend, But we got
to dive into something before we get into all the
policy and all the seriousness. It seems that you, sir,
are sporting a Clay Travis style beard, and I just

(16:36):
want to say that the people of America have spoken.
They are fans of your salt and pepper beard. I'm
a slightly different generation than you and Clay, so my
beard doesn't quite have the gravi toss of all that
silver quite yet, but I think it looks very distinguished
on you and Clay.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
And so I'm a proponent.

Speaker 7 (16:57):
Okay, So I got to tell you the story, and
it's got a good ending. So it's totally accidental. We're
away for Thanksgiving last November, and I was just lazy
and I didn't shave. And the first day back, I
had some really early TV here, like Fox and Friends
or something, and thought I just didn't have the time
or the energy to shave. As I went on, assuming

(17:19):
i'd get all this feedback saying you're so scruffy, why
didn't you clean up? Quite the opposite, a bunch of
nice messages about the beard, which really wasn't a beard.
At that point, I thought I'd tried out on the
road in California. I took a poll at every event
that I did, overwhelmingly positive. And here and then there
are two moments that I thought I gotta stick with this.

(17:40):
Number One, I did Don Junior's podcast, and you know
I've known Don for many years, and he came on
on the zoom and the first thing he said was, Hey, man,
love the Maga beard. So I thought, I don't know,
is that a thing, the Maga beard? And then here's
the one that I think you'll enjoy. I just got
a text from a good friend of mine is supporting me.

(18:01):
A legend James Woods, the legendary James Woods, texted me
last week and said this is it. It gives you
exactly the right amount of gravitas. I really think you
can win this now, so they I mean it's staying.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
You're like the Josekis guy with a British accent. So
I think that this is this is a strong there's
a strong play for you. We support it. But now
let's get into this. Because we've talked about the governor thing,
We're going to talk you about that more. You got
to tell us what's going on here with the most
recent fraud revelations in your state. Obviously, all the Democrats

(18:35):
in charge obviously knew some asleep at the wheeler probably
you know, doesn't even care about the fraud hospices. What
do we know about the hospice fraud.

Speaker 7 (18:44):
Well, the first thing to bear in minded this is
not neglect or incompetence. This is corruption. Because the reason
that all this fraud has gone on in California and
our estimate, so remember, just to take a few steps back,
I set up last year in the way of them revelations,
a whistleblower line here in California called califoraud dot com

(19:05):
and we've had thousands of tips coming in. And then
earlier this year, we set up cal Doge, which is
now up and running. Obviously, we're not elected yet, so
it's not an official thing, but we've got many volunteers
going through the books finding the fraud and we're publishing
these fraud reports. And one of the main areas that
we got tips for was in this medical space because
it's just huge amounts of money and it's and the

(19:28):
reason it's corrupt is if you look at the donations
to Democrat politicians in California and you look at the categories,
and Gavin Newsom is a useful proxy here. He's been
running statewide in California for sixteen years. The number one
category of his donors government unions number two, try lawyers
number three, private sector unions number four, healthcare, healthcare don't

(19:50):
they're making money off of this, and they are, And
Gavin Newsom is the puppet of these people who are
doing the fraud. And that's why this goes on. It's
not neglect, it's not incompetence. It's corruption and the scale
of it is just unbelievable and the brazen, shameless theft
of our money to put in the pockets of these
scammers that then give money donations to gamm and you

(20:13):
some of the other Democrats. It's just unbelievable. But the
good news is we'll be now and does not just ask.
You had various people now really investigating it. You've got
the Federal Action JD leading that it's really going to
come to an end, especially when I'm elected in November,
and we're going to just stop all this in its tracks.
Last point I'd make is I'm putting together a slate,
a team of candidates running with me statewide in California.

(20:35):
That's never been done before. In the governor's race. A
very important position is the state Controller. And the state
Controller has the power to audit every organization receiving state
money and to turn off the supply of money literally
to stop the money flowing. And there's a fantastic guy
called Herb Morgan running with me. We're working very closely together.
If you know, we can really change this big time

(20:57):
if we're elected this year.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Last hour, I saw that this moron, Eric Swalwell is
right now potentially going to be favored as the Democrat.
I don't know what I'll have to do if you
are running against Eric Swalwell, but there has to be
forty IQ points at least that separate you from Eric Swalwell.

(21:21):
I want to put out the call up and down
with the breadth of California right now. The election is
when when can people start voting for you? And I
think again a lot of people don't understand this California
has I think it's called a jungle primary, right where
the top two, regardless of party, advance.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
So explain all the rules, tell people how to vote.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
What do they need to know, because we are getting
close to ballots being headed out.

Speaker 7 (21:49):
Exactly right, Clay, thank you. Listen, this top two system
is ridiculous. Obviously we should get rid of it. Book
we got it, and so we've got to play by
these rules. For the last year or so, you've seen
a kind of clown can situation on the Democrat side,
nine or ten candidates, none of all of them incredibly
unimpressive machine politicians and hacks and ridiculous people, and they've

(22:09):
been dividing up the vote. And as a result of that,
in a lot of these polls, I've been leading and
there's one other Republican who will get to in a second.
Often we've been the top two. But I said, all along.
It's not going to stay that way because the Democrat
machine is going to get behind one of their candidates.
The unions, in particularly the government unions, they will want
their puppet that they control, and that is what is

(22:31):
happening right now, and that's why you're seeing Eric Sworwell
move up and up, and I think that will continue.
The big unions are going to be endorsing in the
next few weeks, the teachers, the SCIU, the Nancy Pelosi
machine is going to get behind him, I think, And
so I think you're going to see him really advance now.
Right now, as of this morning, the Real Clear Politics

(22:51):
average of all the polls in California, there's a bunch
of these Democrats below seven percent. You've got Katie Porter
a ten percent, You've got Tom Stier and the other
Republican Chad Bianco eleven percent, Eric Swollwell at thirteen, and
I'm on fifteen and a half. So that's the good news.
On the average, I'm still ahead, But you're right. There
was a poll this week, first time that showed Eric

(23:13):
Swollwell in the lead, a real poll. It was a
proper serious pole and so we got to take this seriously.
The election is June, the second ballots go out May
the second. We're really weeks away now from this election
kicking off. The most important thing to understand is that
if we split the Republican vote, it's not only that

(23:33):
you're going to get Eric Swowell. You're probably going to
get Eric Swowell and Tom Steyer, the billionaire climate fanatic.
He has already spent seventy million dollars just in the
last few weeks, a few months, and that's moving him
up in the polls. And because of this top two system,
you don't need a huge percentage to make it into

(23:54):
the general election because there's so many candidates. So I
can see a situation where we've got you know, I
don't know what to even make of that Dia versus Swallow.
What a joke. But if you get behind one Republican
candidate and I'm the leading Republican and there's a lot
of issues with the other guy, Chad Bianco, he took
a knee for BLM, he says crazy things on immigration,

(24:16):
he's basically for amnesty on immigration. You can't have him.
And so this is the moment for every Republican to
get serious about this, get behind the leading Republican candidate,
and then I will be guaranteed to be in the
top two, because that's how the math will work. And
then it's a whole new fight and we'll take it
to whoever the Democrats put up.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Speaking of Steve Hilton, he's running for governor and he's
telling us all about how this race is critical but
also winnable in his estimation in his maths, and Stephen
to that end, I saw a lot of people are
focused in on gas prices right now for obvious reasons.
But your state is always the punching bag, you know
it for the rest of the country of.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
You see how high the gas prices are are there.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
So yes, Iran has everyone oh my gosh, what are
gas prices going to do? I think it's going to
be fine, by the way, but everyone's a little freaked out.
And then in California it's, well, your gas price is
it's like there's always an oil embargo somewhere because California's
gas prices are crazy. You recently said to gas execs,
don't give up on the state of California. I don't

(25:21):
even think people realize that California has an oil and
gas industry. Can you speak to that a bit and
what you're hoping could happen if you become governor.

Speaker 7 (25:30):
It's an amazing situation. Again, just the lunacy of these
Democrat ideaologues, these climate fanatics incredible. First of all, let's
look at the numbers. So the temporary spike, and it's
obviously temporary. Everyone knows that. In the gas price since
the Iran War, which is what about fifty cents average nationwide?
Right in California, you look at the average, it's two

(25:52):
dollars high the rest of the country. So such a
very simple way of putting it, Gavin you, some of
the Democrats are four times destructive as war in the
Middle East. For California is when it comes to gas.
The point about California is we have abundant oil and
gas reserves in our state, mainly in Kern County, but
now huge reserve has been discovered offshore in California. Right offshore,

(26:18):
there's a there's a reserve there which is considered to
be the second biggest in America, the nichere behind the
Permian Basin. We have massive oil and gas reserves right now,
and we are importing in California nearly eighty percent of
the oil that we use. It used to be the opposite.
Most of our oil and gas we produced in state.

(26:40):
So what are these insane democrats now doing in the
name of climate. They are shipping oil halfway round the
world on giant super tankers, spewing out carbon emissions because
they think it's part of their war on fossil fuels.
We're not using any less fossil fuel in California, We're
just importing it. It's insane, and that's the reason that
the refineries are close down. Because the refineries were built

(27:02):
to refine California crude. The supply of that has been
dropping year by year with their war on the industry
here in California. Now the insane situation. I'm just with
a group of energy industry folks this morning, and now
there's even the insane situation that the small amount that
we're relatively that we're now producing, it used to go
in pipelines from Kern County to the refineries in the

(27:25):
Bay Area and in Near La. One of those refineries
has now one of those pipelines has now shut down
because there's not enough oil to justify the business. So
now what's happening. The remainder that we're producing is going
on trucks, so they again in the name of climate,
instead of a nice clean pipeline, we're now trucking it.

(27:46):
It's so insane. Now, as governor, I could reverse all
of that because it's all being done through these bureaucratic
agencies CARB, the California Air Resources Board, the Energy Commission, COLGEM,
the Geologic and Energy Management Agency, And it's very straightforward.
As governor, I will end the war on fossil fuelds
as long as we are using oil and gas in California.
We're gonna use California oil and gas. That will keep

(28:08):
the refineries open, bring down the cost of import, and
we're going to get to three dollar gas in California.
That's the first pledge I made on the campaign trip.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I think this is so important and why I think
again everybody out there listening to us right now needs
to go vote for you and get you into the
final two. Buck and I have talked a lot about
the legacy of California. You grew up in England, Brut
grew up in New York. I grew up in Tennessee.
I remember the first time I ever got to go

(28:39):
to California. I was twenty one years old. I think
I had a college roommate from California. I went to
go visit, and I was so excited to step foot
on soil in California because of the legacy of awesomeness
that we had grown up with. Buckets talked about this
in New York. California, this golden, shining state on a hill.

(28:59):
It's lost. You could help to return that, but I
think your experience growing up in what California meant to
you still can resonate with so many Californians.

Speaker 7 (29:11):
On one hundred percent, Clay, I love the way you
put that. Look, the California dream is a real thing.
You know this, and it was in my imagination too,
like even before we moved here with my wife and
my sons, you know, whenever it was twenty twelve, we
moved here back in the day. I mean, people know
me from Fox obviously, but you know, most of my
career has been in business, and I worked for a
while in the government in the UK for David Cameron

(29:34):
and when I was put in together the policy plan
before he became Prime Minister in twenty ten, one of
the Spectator magazine in the UK wrote a piece about me.
This is like twenty odd years ago, and they said,
and the title of the piece was was a cover
story California Dreaming, and the theme of it was Steve Hilton,
David Cameron's policy guru wants to make the US inspired

(29:56):
by California, wants to make the UK more like California. Well,
who would to do that today? I mean, that's how
far we've fallen. But the point is that that idea
of California. Sometimes I put it like this, California means
to America, what America means to the world. It represents
all the great virtues and strengths and beauty of our nation,

(30:17):
optimism and energy and dynamism and the kind of rebel
spirit and doing your own thing that's been crushed by
these years of bureaucratic, bloated, nanny state, bureaucratic government and
the taxes and the spending and the bloat and the
waste and the regulations crushing the soul and spirit of California.
But it won't take much to really get back to

(30:41):
that beautiful California dream, because we've just got to stop
the government from doing all these insane things, and then
people and entrepreneurs will take care of the rest of it.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Steve, bring home the w in this governor's race, and
don't touch that beard. All right, all right, you got it,
good man, good man, thanks for being with us. The
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Speaker 1 (32:13):
Welcome in, Clay Travis but Sexton Show, Final Hour of the.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Week, and I just teased what I think.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
It is a significant story, and I think it may
be the most significant story long term that is.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Going on right now.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
And by long term I mean you're going to start
to see it in a significant way in the twenty
thirty census, and it is going to change I think
much of what in terms of political power exists in
this country, and that is you are seeing high earners
finally get fed up with left wing governance and they

(32:55):
are fleeing California, Illinois, New York, Washington State. And I
just talked about two different stories that are happening simultaneously
on the left coast and the right coast of this country.
Out on the left coast in Washington State, they are
proposing and it looks like going to pass a nine

(33:17):
point nine percent yearly income tax state income tax on
anyone who makes a million dollars or more. Simultaneously, Buck, Mom, Donnie,
and I believe we have an audio cut of this
is saying that he wants a fifty percent estate tax
on his states of seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars

(33:39):
or more. That's basically buck anybody that owns any property
at all in New York City, and you can own
a seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars place in New
York City and not be wealthy at all. In fact,
you can struggle to even pay your bills. And some
of you are gonna say, how is that possible? Because

(34:00):
of the taxes and because of cost of living. Here
is Mom Donnie talking about this. Let's listen. I believe
it's cut twenty four.

Speaker 9 (34:08):
Amidst being in the wealthiest city, in the wealthiest country
in the history of the world, we already see an
exodus of working in middle class New Yorkers. So I
don't have a hesitation in asking those who make the
most amount of money in the city or the most
profits in the city to pay a little bit more
so that everyone can actually stay in this city. It's
also something not just about justice or the ability for

(34:29):
working class people to live here. It is also actually
about ensuring that corporations can continue to attract the top
talent to this city.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Okay, this is it is.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Let me take a step back when you look at
the actual world, because I'm fired up about this, Bucket,
so I want to be crystal clear on this. The
data reflects that whenever you put these taxes in place,
you do not get the money that you expect you're
going to get because those who can avoid paying the
tax and leave, or or find super impressive accounting to

(35:03):
avoid paying the tax due and so you actually end
up netting less in tax because you were driving away
the biggest income tax payers. And buck I see it
in my neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
We have moved.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
We have a couple of neighbors. My builder said, Hey,
a couple of your neighbors now are New York guys.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
They were just fed up with taxes.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
They realized during COVID, hey we can run our businesses
as well from other states. As we can here, Buck,
in your neighborhood, there's guys coming in like crazy, with
big with big wealth that are just saying, Hey, whether
it's Mark Zuckerberg, whether it's Peter Tiel, whether it's Howard Schultz.
We could go through a whole list of people that

(35:48):
have just said, I'm done with California, I'm done with
New York, I'm done with Illinois, I'm done with Washington,
I'm done with these high tax locales.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
And some of you out there are saying, Oh, I'm
so nervous.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
These people are like loc What I can tell you
is they're actually making the red redder. Go look at
the voter rolls in Florida, Go look at the outcome
in Tennessee and Texas. We are gaining a lot of
super impressive, talented people. Elon Muskin, Texas. Starbucks of all places,

(36:18):
just announced they're going to hire thousands of new people
in Tennessee. Oracle is relocating to Nashville. And the people
that are by and large moving into these communities and
red states are actually making them redder. And Buck, this
is going to be transformative on so many different levels
because what it's gonna do is it's gonna make the
low tax states have way better services. And the people

(36:42):
that are left behind in New York and California and
Illinois and Washington are going to keep getting taxed at
higher rates. The tax base is going to be leaving,
and the resources and tax base is just going to
continue to diminish.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
I think this is a huge story.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Again, there's two different kinds of billionaires in my mind,
who end up leaving New York, California, Washington State. And
there's a concentration of billionaires in those places.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
You have Silicon Valley in California, you have the Microsoft
slash Starbucks, you know, tech and everything else going on
in Seattle and you have so you have billionaires there too.
And obviously a lot of billionaires in New York. But
the ultra rich who moved to Florida who have always

(37:35):
supported the insane Democrat policies and always said things like
I think we should pay more taxes and I think
we should have bigger government and blah blah blah all
that stuff. They really tick me off. And there's a difference.
You know, you have the Elon Musks and people like

(37:58):
him and Peter Thiel has been helping the right and
been on the right for a long time, so he's
not he's not like new to the game. But you
have Peter Tiel, you have Elon Musk, you have people
who have come forward and said the Democrat approach to
governance fails. I don't want my companies to be subjected

(38:20):
to this idiocy anymore. I'm going to Texas, I'm going
to Florida. And that's great because they are telling everybody
what the reality is, and they are therefore a part
of the solution. The challenge that I see here is
people like Schultz, because he's been so you know, left

(38:40):
wing and lib for so long. The Starbucks ceo, he's
going to come on down to Florida. He's gonna buy
some fifty million dollar waterfront place and the whole thing,
and he's going to be writing checks to Democrats, and
he's going to be pushing the same nonsense.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
And you just, you know, what does it take for
these people to realize?

Speaker 3 (38:59):
By the way, imagine this, Clay, if you had to
move your company and you started off in Tennessee, so
you've been good to go the whole reason, right, Yeah,
imagine if you had to move your company from a
state after it had been there for decades because your
people are taxed too much, the crime is too high,
there's crazy homeless people attacking them on public transit, et cetera,

(39:20):
et cetera.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Wouldn't you want to say.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Something about that publicly when you were moving to Tennessee
or Florida? You know, wouldn't you want to come out
and just like have at it a little bit.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
No, they're just.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Gonna be like, yo, you know, we're just keeping residences
in multiple states, and Schultz is going to be a
Florida resident for tex purposes.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
I can assure you I will say what you're saying.
First of all, of course I would run my mouth.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I mean I I don't mean you would. I meant
anyone would.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
But I will say, to her credit, the in and
out owner of the Burger franchise, she relocated to basically
my neighborhood, and she teed off on Californa.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
She's right, but she's she's the sane person. She's a
little bit, she's a reasonable human being. Right, she's known
is that I agree with you. This is what gets
me so angry. If you have fu money and you aren't.
What are you afraid of? Well, this is if you
like California for Austin and you still think that you
should do California stuff in Austin while surrounded by the

(40:20):
rest of Texas, you are an imbecile.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
And you are ruining the community you have moved to.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
This is where I think Elon has actually created a
lot of space, because there are many people that agree
with everything that we say inside of companies that have
gone woke. And every now and then they'll come up
to me and they'll say, they'll whisper, They'll be like, Hey,
I work at insert company here, and I can't tell

(40:47):
you you know how many people inside of this company
will sometimes share tweets or segments from your show, like
we have like a secret you know, text chain and everybody.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I get why.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Guys that are trying to make a living, Guys and
gals out there that you know, you've got a mid
tier job and you got to pay tuition and you
got to pay mortgage and all those things. The people
that really infuriate me are the ones who could nobody
could ever do anything to right. If you have twenty
five million dollars in America today, the odds of anybody

(41:19):
being able to do anything to you or your family
that ever would impact And I'm being generous at twenty five.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
That's a lot. That's a lot. That's okay, it's less
than that.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
After I'm saying like they're some of the biggest cowards
on the planet are super rich guys because they're afraid,
Oh am I going to be able to sit on
this charity benefit if I say what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
When you're super rich, what do you still want? You
want the approval of your peer group, not everybody, but
this is what ends up happening. You want people to
think well of you who also have beachfront homes in
the Hamptons and Nantucket and live in bel Air, and
live in Malibu, and and live in Kalorama and a

(41:59):
mansion in DC like you want them to. You want
them to like you because everything else you already have.
You're surrounded by people who kiss your butt all the
time because you're paying all their bills and they need you.
So what you want are the other people. You want
the other rich guys and gals to say, oh, you're
doing great stuff. Oh you're inviting You're invited to the
garden party. That's what This is real human psychology. This

(42:22):
is why these idiots, this is why you have like
Alex Soros running around the ultimate Nepo baby, who is
just like a piral maniac, lighting civilization on fire everywhere
he can.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
This is maybe where I'm a little bit uh. I
don't know, there's something in my personal like I don't care.
I genuinely don't care. I'm gonna tell you exactly what
I play.

Speaker 5 (42:43):
You are.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
You are an unusual duck, just so you know, not
everyone is. Anyone is as throw down as you are.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
But I know I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
I don't want people to be dishonest and not say
what they really think. If you think that I'm a moron,
go ahead and let me have it. But it doesn't
mean that I can't have a beer with you. And
the idea that I can't sit on some board, thank you.
The last thing I want to be doing is sitting
on a board with awful people. I don't like meetings periods,
So don't even get me started on having to go

(43:12):
to meetings for things that I that I wouldn't even
want to be at. And so I just I wish
that there was more steel spine. Because to your point,
if you are relocating across the whole country because the
state has made awful decisions, I think you have an
obligation to tee off on the state government that you
are leaving and say I'm leaving because you guys have

(43:36):
done such an awful job and there are going to
be a lot of job creators and a lot of
wealth that follows me. And actually tell the story and
don't try to hide when you just relocate to Florida,
Texas or Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
I got to tell you, and there was a little
bit of this even when I moved down here. People
in Florida who are like, you know, don't bring those
New York you know, don't bring those New York voting
This are.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
As a Tennessee and this is something people are concerned about.
But hold on.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
All that concern is now the Northeasterners who have moved
to Florida in you know, during COVID and after, we're
like the elves who show up in Helm's Deep in
the Lord of the Rings. My friends, Okay, we are
the right wing of the Northeast and we have this, Yeah,
we have flipped Florida redder than it has ever been.

(44:22):
We are reinforcements, We are the cavalry. We are not
undermining you. What I understand from my Texas friends, I'm
sure someone that could call in and tell us this.
Now Texas for a long time because of the tax
and business climate there relative to some of the West
coast states, particularly California. They've been getting fancy Californians who

(44:42):
show up and and and they're making Austin bluer and
bluer basically and creating. And it's also true in some
of the other cities I think as well, certainly in Dallas, uh.
And that is a different phenomenon because the people that
have flushed, and the numbers speak for this. It's one
point two million more Republicans in Florida now registered because
of the migration from mostly the Northeast, but some other

(45:04):
parts of the country too. You're welcome, Florida. We are here.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
By the way, This is where I get concerned Blue
those people who are left behind the Red State, normal
thinking refugee Staten Island listening to us right now in
war A lot of Long Island, much of Westchester now
where people are still sane and you know, certain pockets
of Manhattan proper, they're going to get drowned in even

(45:32):
more blue craziness because Buck, what should happen is people
should look around and say, these are really bad ideas
that we are enabling with the election of people like
mom Donnie Brandon Johnson in Chicago. Instead, they're gonna double
triple and quadruple down on crazy, which is going to

(45:54):
continue to drive away even more people. And I think
what's going to happen is quality of life. Life in
places like Texas, Tennessee and Florida is going to skyrocket
even more than it is now in a favorable direction,
because the revenue is going to be better, the services
are going to be better, the safety is going to
be better. Your kids' schools are going to be better.

(46:14):
I'm talking about public schools, and all of that's going
to be moving in the opposite direction in.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
All of these blue places.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
And I think we're going to see a fundamental realignment
of power as a result, because as money moves into
these new states and they have less regulation and lower taxes,
everything's going to get better. And as money moves out
of New York and Illinois in California and Washington, all
these places, everything's going to get worse and we're going
to see a fundamental realignment.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I saw.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
I think it was Peter Thiel said, Miami is going
to replace New York City as the financial capital of
the United States. I think that this is going to happen.
I think within ten years that may be true. I
think that actually is happening.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
All right.

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Speaker 1 (48:38):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. And as we
come up on the final thirty minutes of the program,
we are excited to be joined by hey guy who's
having a lot of success out there in the world
of culture movies, in particular, Daniel roebuck new film called

(48:58):
The Hell Mary follows a disillusioned man unexpectedly rediscovers purpose, family,
and belief through coaching a ragtag football team at a
Catholic school. Wrote directed and stars in it. Face based film,
also a comedy. Daniel, what was it like playing a
football coach? Is this an all time dream job? And

(49:20):
tell us about the movie.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
That's a great question.

Speaker 8 (49:23):
You know.

Speaker 10 (49:25):
I hate to say it, but playing a mortician in
Getting Grace was maybe the dream job. That's the job
I thought i'd have if I wasn't an actor. I
swear that's true.

Speaker 7 (49:35):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (49:37):
Yeah. I played football up until eighth grade and was
scouted for high school. Like you know, because I've scouted
means hey, you're tall, you're big, your white shouldered, you're
stupid enough to get hit by guys bigger than you.
Come play football. I wanted to, like I was some
great player, but I found the theater. I did my
first play between eighth grade and high school, and and

(50:03):
I thought, you know, being in the locker room with
girls is a lot better than being in the locker.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Room with boys, addressing room with girls.

Speaker 10 (50:10):
So I never made it to football, but playing the
football coach was great because I did have a great coach,
and I've got a wife who's a bit of a tomboy.
So what I was confused by some of the terminology
that I didn't remember, she.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
Was always there to help me with it.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
That's terrible, Daniel, we want to talk about the Hail Mary,
but I have to ask you because I'm a huge
The Fugitive fan. I know you're in The Fugitive. Actually
remember your character well in The Fugitive. My wife had
never seen it, and I watched it with her maybe
six months ago, so I got to kind of relive
that again.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
How does it hold up? I can I ask him
a question? I'm curious for you for watching it.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
I was going to ask you when you're doing it.
I mean, it holds up incredibly well in my opinion.
But when you're doing it, were you aware that you
were making one of the great like as you filming
that movie with Tommy Lee Jones and and Harrison Ford,
were you aware that this was gonna be, in my opinion,
one of the certainly ten best thrillers of the nineties.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I mean, it's a phenomenal movie.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
Thank you for asking that.

Speaker 10 (51:13):
I want to begin by saying, for a brief second, Buck,
I thought about naming my son Buck Roebuck because there
was something about the redundancy that I liked.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
He had to tell you, Buck is hard enough as
a name, so Buck Roebuck would be really an uphill climb,
but nonetheless, keep going.

Speaker 10 (51:29):
I named him Buster, and he's he's so earned that name.
He's such a he's the football player of the family.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
Listen to him. We make the fugitive. I'm not kidding.

Speaker 10 (51:41):
I heard Harrison Ford say, ugh, this is gonna be
my Hudson Hawk.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
We had no idea.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
But he thought it was gonna be awful.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (51:52):
Yeah, you guys, you we because they kept re refixing
the plot and changing it, rewriting it.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
All the dialogue.

Speaker 10 (52:01):
We said, you guys know that all that stuff between
the Marshalls was was improvised, then memorialized, then we shot it.
So none of that dialogue was in the movie except
for actually Buck, where I say this is Hanky.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
Why would he come in here see only lives.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
That were before?

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Because of your line in that movie, I've been like,
that's Hanky. That's a great line.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
It's Hanky.

Speaker 10 (52:26):
So we didn't know, but you know, I'm like you,
and I think it's interesting as the one thing I
missed now about how you could turn a TV on.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
You know, you get done mowing the lawn or whatever
you're doing.

Speaker 10 (52:38):
You're like, I'm just gonna take an hour for myself,
and he's a TV on and the sting would be
honor the Great Escape or Jaws, and you could watch
it at any point in the story because you love
the story and you knew the story and you it
was like a familiar to saying I am honored that
The Fugitive is one of those movies, and I agree
it is. It's kind of a timeless It's a really great,

(53:01):
fast paced movie.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Star as a movie.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
When my wife, when my wife Daniel said she hadn't
seen it, I was like, top of the list, We're
watching The Fugitive next time we have a you know,
husband wife movie night when the baby's asleep early enough,
and she thought it was excellent.

Speaker 7 (53:15):
Two.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Of course, I mean, I think it's for a thriller,
it's a ten out of ten. It's totally what you said,
totally watchable at any point. But that is fascinating to
me that because I've heard the other thing. I've heard
actors making a movie, like apparently the guys when they
were doing Ghostbusters for example, I know, very different movie,
but as soon as they wrapped, they were like, this
is going to be amazing, Like they kind of knew.
And it's amazing to hear that you can't even know

(53:36):
the fugitive until maybe you got really close to the
end was going to be such a great film.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
It tells you a lot about how the movie process goes.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
Well, the zeitgeist.

Speaker 10 (53:45):
Like those guys at Ghostbusters, they they were more of
a cohesive unit. They had been working together over time
because of Caddy, shackh and everything else, and they.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
Knew, you know, they knew what it was. I know
we should be plugging. Uh. And you guys are so
you you've blessed me so much.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Tell us about that, tell us about your mold. But
I'm sorry to get.

Speaker 10 (54:07):
You but no, no, no, I want to tell you.
I'm gonna I'm gonna divert again. You know what I
just want for two nights in a row. The Lonesome Dove.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Have you got all?

Speaker 7 (54:17):
That's amazing, dude, it's my boy.

Speaker 10 (54:21):
Tommy Lee Jones, my god Robert Duval of course, because
mister Duvall passed what what uh eight hours of brilliant perfection? Uh,
brilliant perfection. It's on Amazon Prime. Although I had to.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
I watched the first four hours on my old DVD.
I thought, it's they've got to have restored this. I'm
sure it looks better anyway.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Now, I'm not talking about great movies. The Hail Mary.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
That's the movie that's out now, that's the movie that's
doing great numbers.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Tell us about it.

Speaker 10 (54:57):
Well, so the Hail Mary was born. I was have
I got you know, I have great parents, but the
nuns are nuns. The sisters of Saint Joseph of Philadelphia,
who had me for twelve years of Catholic school, really did.

Speaker 5 (55:13):
Have an impact on guiding my.

Speaker 10 (55:17):
Moral and ethical compass and my spiritual compass obviously, and
I just kind of wanted to say thank you to
them in some way.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
And this movie was born out of that.

Speaker 10 (55:33):
You know, The Hail Mary of the title isn't about
the last play of the game. But the last play
of the game is quite great. But the Hail Mary
of the title is the guy I play. And I'm
working opposite an amazing actress named Marcia Deetline, who has
started a couple of my movies's. She's spectacular as Sister Kathleen,

(55:56):
who is named after a nun who taught me in
first grade who changed my life.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
That's awesome. By the way, everybody go see this movie.
I want to go back to your history because the
fugitive is great.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
But we're talking to Daniel Roebuck. The movie is the
Hail Mary.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
You also were in two television shows that I really loved,
Lost and The Man in the High Castle. What is
the difference in your experience between being on a movie
and being on a highly successful television show as an actor?

Speaker 2 (56:32):
What is the experience like, how is it different for
those two?

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Well, you know what's.

Speaker 10 (56:37):
Great about it is you get the script every week
and you don't you don't know where you'll be in
the story. In a movie, You've got, you know, one hundred,
one hundred and five page script, and you know exactly
where you are in a TV show, and now there
was because those shows were sequential in how it was

(56:58):
all one story. I also did Mattlock for three years
in which every week was a different story and different people.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
I love them both.

Speaker 10 (57:11):
The blessing God's given me, you guys, is that like
from River's Edge to The Fugitive, to The Late Shift,
to Lost, to the Man of the High Castle and
now even Terrifier, I have had the ability to kind
of land into that story that everyone's talking about in

(57:33):
a moment of time, which is, you know, hard to
do for an actor to land in any story consistently.
But yeah, they're different. And the other thing is it's
a different director almost every week, or as you know
they they they rotate five through but you get a

(57:54):
different director and it's fun.

Speaker 5 (57:56):
And Lost.

Speaker 10 (57:57):
By the way, Lost was one of those shows where
sometimes we will shoot two episodes on the same day,
so there was you'd say, what's going on in this one?

Speaker 5 (58:08):
What did I just come from in that one?

Speaker 7 (58:11):
You know?

Speaker 10 (58:11):
But the experience is, look, it's it's all great. I'm
I'm a kid. I'm sixty three. When Star Wars came out,
I was thirteen and I ended up in Star Wars.

Speaker 5 (58:22):
I've got a great character. I play in these.

Speaker 10 (58:25):
Video games and and worked with Allison Ford. And when
I was twelve, I was a vampire clown in a
circus and I ended up becoming Grandpa Munster, a funny vampire.
So I have been consistently blessed, and all of it
has led me to this moment in time where I
make these faith based movies because you guys, look, we're

(58:46):
we see the world in a similar way, because I
you know, I pay attention to you. We're we're our
Our culture is is fast slipping down into a vast
nothingness because everything given us they call it entertainment.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
It's just like they call it news. It's all the
same with a different with one point of view.

Speaker 10 (59:11):
So how could it be entertaining if you know how
it's going to end, Who's going to be in it?
All that other stuff we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Daniel Roebuck, I want to give you an opportunity to
speak out on this too. As we finish the interview,
I want everybody to go see the Hell Mary Daniel
Roebucks book, Daniel Robooks movie.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
So I told Buck I did.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
I've done daily television a ton in la sports based
and the amount of time that guys who work on
those shows build sets, carry the cameras around during breaks
will come up and give me a fist pound and say, dude,
you're saying everything that I wish I could say. I
think a lot of people listening to us have this
idea that Hollywood is a monolith and that everybody hates

(59:54):
what many of the people listening to this right now
would believe. I found that to be true, particularly the
number of guys and gals who work and do the
actual grunt work of making movies and television. I bet
you have too. Maybe you could tell people out there
don't always paint with a huge broad brush when it
comes to the people who make many of these movies

(01:00:16):
and actually do the physical jobs.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
Yeah, the crew, you are, like, You're right. The crew.

Speaker 10 (01:00:24):
Is generally thinking more in the spectrum that I think
we think.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
But the people running it, you know, are not.

Speaker 10 (01:00:38):
You know, they make a lot of movies about how
horrible the blacklist is. But believe me, if they you know,
they wouldn't blacklist you in a second.

Speaker 5 (01:00:49):
I try to.

Speaker 10 (01:00:50):
Stay and I'll be honest with you, this is the
maybe the most that I've leaned even in the conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:00:55):
Because I'm I don't really give.

Speaker 10 (01:00:59):
A flying egg what Robert de Niro thinks about anything,
let alone politics, you know, being you know, Billy Ellish,
all these people, one after another. They're millionaires who have
no sense of the common life that common man lived.

(01:01:21):
But you're talking about the hard working crew. That's the
common man. By the way, that's me. I'm a working
class guy. When you're a character actor, you know, I
don't have the I don't have the platform to be
a star.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
My platform is to support the star. But I made
a good.

Speaker 10 (01:01:39):
Living standing next to Andy Griffith and Kathy Bates and
you know, Don Johnson, and they put the new name
into Aren't the Clown? You know what I mean? But
I think you know, people going to see like our
movie The hil Mary. It's it's on Angel Studios now.
We just premiered there. It'll be on if you can't

(01:02:02):
find it in the theater now soon it'll be on Amazon, Prime,
Apple TV, all those. But look, the only way we
can get Hollywood to change is we can We got
to keep making these smaller movies. We got to show
them that they're success in it. Yeah, get people into
the movies. The only way you're going to change it

(01:02:23):
is if someone sees that h I can maybe make
money from that. I make the movies through like The
Hail Mary's made through a not for profit called a
Channel of Peace. People could go to a Channel of
Peace dot org. We literally make the movies. I don't
get paid to act, direct, right, produce. Up to this point,
I haven't. I don't know that I can hold on

(01:02:44):
to that forever. But this movie, The Hail Mary, is
my gift and the gift of my wife and my daughter,
my family, all who worked on it. It's it's our
gift and we hope people will take a moment to
go see it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
The movie is The Hail Mary. Daniel Robuck. We appreciate
the time and good luck with the movie going forward.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
Hey, keep doing the good work you guys are doing.
We're blessed to have you on the airwaves. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Those libs. Those libs are hinky, sir. We're going to
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Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
It's all hinky.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Thank you guys, thank you.

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