Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Apr 8 2026

A Race Against the Clock

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton break down the Middle East ceasefire involving Iran, the Trump administration’s military action, and the global economic and political consequences now unfolding. Clay and Buck open the hour by reacting to dramatic market movement tied directly to the announced ceasefire, with U.S. stocks surging, the Dow posting a rare gain of more than 1,200 points, and oil and gas prices falling sharply. They frame these developments as evidence that markets are responding positively to de-escalation, highlighting investor relief, lower energy prices, and broader economic stability tied to American energy independence.

They debate whether the Iran ceasefire is real, temporary, or merely a pause before renewed conflict. Buck repeatedly warns that this is not a true peace agreement but a short-term extension designed to buy time, arguing that Iran’s proposed demands are non-starters, including keeping nuclear capabilities and imposing tolls in the Strait of Hormuz. Clay counters with cautious optimism, suggesting that U.S. air superiority, intelligence surveillance, and the destruction of Iran’s military infrastructure may have effectively neutralized Iran’s ability to rapidly rebuild its nuclear program, even if Tehran refuses to admit it publicly. A central theme throughout the hour is whether Iran is acting rationally behind the scenes versus engaging in public anti-American rhetoric for domestic political survival.

Scary Future Warfare

A New York Post report describes advanced CIA technology allegedly used to locate and rescue a downed American airman in Iran, sparking a broader conversation about how artificial intelligence, quantum-style sensing tools, and cutting-edge surveillance are rapidly transforming intelligence operations. This leads Clay and Buck into an extended analysis of weaponized drones, autonomous systems, and AI-driven targeting, with both hosts warning that warfare has entered a new era where non-state actors, cartels, and terrorists can deploy precision drone attacks that once required nation-state resources. They argue this technology poses a real threat not only on battlefields like Ukraine and the Middle East but eventually to ordinary civilians, as cheap drones become capable of targeted assassinations, infrastructure attacks, and mass disruption.

FL Sen. Rick Scott

An extended interview with Florida Senator Rick Scott, who strongly backs President Donald Trump’s hardline Iran policy and praises the administration’s military strikes and diplomatic pressure. Scott outlines what he believes victory over Iran looks like: complete elimination of Iran’s nuclear weapons capability, ballistic missiles, and enriched uranium, alongside either total economic collapse of the regime or a leadership change. The interview also covers U.S. Senate elections, Republican chances in battleground states, Democratic impeachment threats, judicial confirmations, the filibuster, and broader ideological divisions between Republicans and Democrats. Scott additionally addresses foreign policy in Cuba and Venezuela, calling for aggressive action against communist regimes and expressing optimism that Trump’s policies could trigger regime change. 

Iran Flips Us the Bird

Detailed coverage of White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt’s briefing, where she strongly pushes back on Iranian public statements, asserting that Iran’s public rhetoric does not match what is being communicated privately to U.S. negotiators. Clay and Buck emphasize that the credibility test is simple: whether ships are actually transiting safely through the Strait of Hormuz. They frame the free flow of global oil and gas as the key real-world indicator of whether Iran is negotiating in good faith, noting that oil prices dropping sharply and stock markets soaring suggest optimism—but trust remains fragile.

The discussion then deepens into skepticism about Iran’s intentions, with Buck arguing forcefully that Iran is playing a long game, exploiting election cycles, U.S. domestic politics, and the limited time remaining in President Donald Trump’s term. Clay outlines his prediction that both sides may ultimately claim victory without Iran formally dismantling its nuclear program, creating a de facto stalemate rather than a decisive non-nuclear outcome. Buck counters that this would fall short of the stated mission and warns that opening negotiations without verifiable concessions risks repeating past failures. A major theme throughout Hour 3 is the imbalance between short-term political timelines in the U.S. and long-term strategic thinking by authoritarian regimes.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in. I say back in because it feels
like we're constantly talking and always here, because there is
a lot of hours that we spend with all of you.
It is the Wednesday edition of the program. And I
will say as a ceasefire has taken roots in the
Middle East, as I speak to you all presently, the

(00:23):
stock market has surged, oil and gas prices have collapsed.
It's almost like if you listen to us and do
not panic, you will end up doing better in your life.
The S and P five hundred up two point four percent,
a huge surge in that marketplace, Dow up two point

(00:43):
seven percent as we are talking twelve hundred and forty
five points at the present day. Needless to say, days
when the stock market goes up over one thousand points
are relatively rare. Days when the stock market surges like
this are not common. The price of oil and as
I speak to all of you, dropping eighteen dollars down

(01:04):
some fifteen percent or so, stock soaring, oil sinking as
a truce, A ceasefire is underway in the Middle East. Now, buck,
as you can well imagine, we've got some cuts to
play for you. But I saw Pete hegg set this
morning saying Iran needs to notify some of its people

(01:25):
via carrier pigeon that they need to stop firing off
drones and missiles. There are still issues in Lebanon. It's
not as if the Middle East is usually very calm
in the first place, so you are it seems filled
with some measure of trepidation about how long the ceasefire
might last. But for the moment, stock soaring, oil collapsing,

(01:47):
and now you can come tap dance on with some
negativity after my one and a half minute positive open there.
Thank you, and I'm glad that we represent both sides
of the pro Trump pro American piece in the Middle
East point of view. But a little bit, a little
bit of a variation here on my sense of it.

(02:09):
First of all, I said yesterday they're gonna just extend
this thing, which is really what this is. This is
an extension. Nothing has been agreed to that is lasting bonding.
I mean, I know you meant ceasefire and you said that,
but this is not a truce. This is not a
long term agreement. This is a we're gonna stop pounding

(02:30):
you from the air and try to talk to you
about some things and see if you will come to
your senses. Now, I view this play very much as
a we'll see situation. But here's the downside, or here's
my negative impulses about some of this. The Iran ten
point deal that they've put forward via intermediaries in Pakistan

(02:54):
is awful. It is unworkable. Yeah, their positions are we
get to keep nukes, we get control and can take
tolls on ships. Now in the Strait of Horn moves,
America promises to stop attacking US, and Israel promises to
stop attacking Hesbela as well as I mean, you go
down this list. Now, I understand this is a, as

(03:18):
Trump says, a workable place to begin negotiations. But here
is the fundamental problem. As I see it, this is
now a race against the clock. This is basically the
timeline that Trump had for the completion of this mission.
And I thought, I said on the show, I think

(03:38):
it'll be done by April first. Okay, it's April eighth.
We aren't bombing them anymore, so pretty darn close. Because
the politics here at home play a large part in
this Clay, I do not see a future in which
Iran renounces its nuclear ambitions agrees to true and people
say intrusive, but I mean, you know, nuclear inspections gives

(04:02):
up its highly enriched uranium. And if anything, I think
the Iranian the Iranian regime that is in place, views
this as a okay, you hit us with your best
shot and we are still standing. I think the Iranians
believe that we for political reasons, and that's not even
really the right term. The American people will not go

(04:23):
along with a sustained ground invasion of Iran, and I
would agree with that sentiment. I might add, so that's
not on the table. The American people do not want
high gas prices, and that means that Republicans are going
to start pressuring Trump if we go back to bombing them.
We have a delay here in the campaign. Does anyone
really I mean, I'll ask you this. Do you think

(04:45):
in two weeks we're going to have a real agreement
with Iran that they can be held to and that
we have faith in and that ends this thing I
have And then what do we do We start bombing
them again? Well then they shut the It removes is
a real choke point, is a real problem. Sorry, go ahead, No, No,
I think the question you're asking is the one that

(05:06):
is the next step here? How much is this going
to hold? And already there's disputes over what can happen
in Lebanon and all these different aspects of Israeli action
because Israel has been very active in northern Israel southern Lebanon.
I think what's going to end up happening is there

(05:27):
will be flash points on this for probably the next
six months between now and the end of the year.
And you mean flash points, do you mean things going
boom in Iran or do you mean mean words in
the diplomatic I think things going boom in Iran. I
think we'll probably scramble jets and go hit some more
targets at some point in time to demonstrate that there

(05:49):
has to be some some tacit relationship and agreement. We
just at the after that, though, is there some Does
Iran finally bend the knee and agree to Trump's terms?
Either answer is no. There's fifteen demands from our side,

(06:09):
there's ten demands from their side. And the two demanding
lists are in direct How far apart is this is
like I want a million dollars from my house, I'll
give you five Bucks. That's where we are. Here is
what I thought was the most interesting about this. First
of all, who was attributed to making the decision on

(06:30):
Iran side? It's the Gayetola. We don't even know if
the Gayetola can talk. We don't know where I want
to roll with it. I can pronounce that one. Well,
the the son of Kamine, the gayetolat little Mo. I'm
not sure if he's alive. I'm not sure if he

(06:52):
can speak. But what I think he provides Buck is
a convenient repository for this decision making. That makes it
such that whoever is actually making the decision in Iran
is able to say, oh no, no, no, that's not us.
If it's a little bit politically unpopular, that is the

(07:13):
Supreme leader. Even if the Supreme Leader is unable to
make decisions, Remember, we still haven't heard his voice. We
still haven't seen a picture of him, we still haven't
seen a video of him. There are just reports that
he was significantly injured. And I want to push you
on this a little bit. I want to push you
on this a little bit, okay, because I actually want
your optimism, And I'll be honest with you. I think
most of the most of our people with this right now,

(07:34):
they want your like, they don't want what I'm selling,
But I just I can't lie. I'm I don't think
this is a disaster. Certainly in the market, you're speaking
that it's not a disaster right now, and I think
Trump's gonna walk away. But if you're telling me, if
we're looking at what comes out of this campaign, right
what fundamentally we get from this versus what the Iranians
get and what we wanted from the outset, do you

(07:56):
believe at the end? Oh, like, make it the end
of this by the end of this year, has Iran
given up the enriched uranium? Has Iran agreed to give
up its nuclear pursuit? And is Iran no longer in
a position to choke us at the straight offom moves? Okay,
so let's go through the order. They basically have no
air force, they have no navy, They have very limited

(08:19):
ability to engage in any sort of aggressive act. We
destroy their military, right their military is done if you
take at their word, and I think this is likely true.
Right now, we have satellite observation on all of their
fuel cells, all their uranium deposits, everything that would be

(08:40):
used to construct a nuclear bomb. And if Iran makes
any effort to go and try to retrieve that which
appears to be significantly buried under lots of top soil
based on attacks, we would take action as we see fit.
So I think getting to the uranium and riching it,
all those things are going to be very difficult. So
I think we have effectively neutered Iran's ability to impact

(09:03):
in a significant way action in the Middle East. What
I think is the most significant factor right now is
who is making decisions and can we trust them to
what extent do we believe? Remember go back in the
early days of Venezuela Buck when Delsi Rodriguez came out
and said, oh, they're still the American infidels. And then

(09:25):
she's saying publicly one thing, but privately she's basically doing
whatever we want, and we're not talking about Venezuela in
a significant way. Does someone have the sway in Iran?
I don't care what they say about publicly in our country.
I don't care if they show up and they throw
their fist in the air and they chant death to America. Privately,
are they being rational and negotiating with us in a

(09:46):
productive way, and does the person who we are negotiating with,
to your point, Buck, actually have the wherewithal to control
action in Iran? Because it doesn't take much to blow
up one of these fuel tankers. And so if there
are competing factions inside of Iran, to what extent is
the leader able to actually lead and control what people

(10:08):
in the country are doing. We did this, and there's
a very detailed New York Times piece. Take it for
what it's worth, whether you think they believe it or not.
But a lot of it reads like what you would
expect it to read, like taking you inside this. It's
some of those meetings. I read this article too. Sometimes
New York Times articles read like fiction. This to you
and you've been in the rooms, But this read like

(10:28):
an accurate telling of what the debates surrounding this war
would be like. Yes, it sounds like somebody who was
in It sounds to me like somebody who was in
the room told them. Now, whenever someone does that, of course,
they're usually the hero of the narrative, and you know,
you could sort of piece some things together, or they
at least look the most astute. But I think the
New York Times piece largely aligns and I told you

(10:50):
this at the time. It talks about the little the
idea of maybe getting the Kurds involved, which they say
came from the Israelis, which I know from working the
Iraq issue for a year, was a complete nonstarter, And
sure enough I was right. But the fact that that
came up, or rather that the reporting is that that
came up in the context of Iran. There were some
pieces here that make me think that this is how

(11:13):
it went down, how their decision making process was laid out.
But Clay, we keep going around that Trump this war
was fought to stop Iran from ever being able to
go nuclear. Now we're being told more that it was
to stop Iran's ballistic missile force. Okay, they're going to

(11:35):
be able to rebuild, that they're going to be able
to count on the oil flow to fund buying from
the Russians, buying from the Chinese, etc. Military hardware to
get them back to where they were. So I know
that we're supposed to believe that the destruction of ballistic
missile capability is like some fantastic victory. It's a victory.

(11:55):
I'm not discounting it. Our military did incredible things. I'm
not encountered that just counting that either. But at the
end of this, do we have either a different regime
or a regime that agrees to the terms with which
we could go forward and say Iran is not a
nuclear threat anymore. I don't think the answer to either

(12:16):
of those questions is yes, And I just have to
be honest about that. I don't think that we're we're
in place with either of those things. If the incentive structure,
as we have talked about on the program, is for
Iran to get nuclear weapons because it strengthens the ability
and people in positions of power to stay there without
external forces being able to remove them as exists in

(12:38):
North Korea, is there anything that could occur that would
lead to Iran not pursuing nuclear weapons. Well, but this
is my concern here, is that we hit them with
everything we could from the air, as they told us,
as Secretary Heg Sethus told us, and we annihilated them
with everything we could from the air. We got to

(12:58):
a point where it was, well, now we're just going
to blow up up your power plants and your you know,
your water treatment facilities and everything else that was what
Trump was talking about. Okay, well that's that's not a
good thing. Like, that's not something you really want to
do to a country of ninety million people. And if
that's where we are for the next round of punishment,
I don't know that we have a stick big enough,

(13:19):
so to speak, to beat them into submission, to give
us what we want. At the end of this deal.
I think they're going to say to us, fine, hit
us again, we'll close the straight How long before your elections?
That's my concern, Clay. I think they know what's going
on here. I understand that concern. I think in the
back of their mind every leader in Iran knows that
we can take them out. And I'm working under the

(13:42):
capacity that we believe we have reached for Iran rational
leadership that does have some control over the country. We'll see.
I don't. I don't think we do. I don't think
I don't think we have a different government. I don't
think we have different people in charge. I think that
that is that ship has sailed. Here is here is
the test to what extent do any of these oil
and tankers get blown up? Because if they get blown up,

(14:06):
then everyone purely economically is going to say we can't
risk going through the strait of horror moves right now.
I don't think it's a rational act on Iran's leadership's
behalf to blow up oil and gas tankers right now.
But if they do, either they are intransigent, not working
with us, or they just don't have any control over
the factions that are willing to do. If I'm like this,

(14:28):
the head of whatever's left of the IRGC leadership, Clay
and Trump in two weeks, blows up my power plants,
blows up truly civilian infrastructure. Yeah, I blow up an
oil tanker in the strait of horror, Moose like, I
make this the whole world's problem real fast. So just
looking up a bunch of them, you could blow up
a bunch of them and it would cost almost nothing

(14:50):
in terms of the physical assets required to do so.
And this is, my friends, this is a suicide bomber
culture we're talking about here in the Middle least like
they're willing to take a lot of pain to take
other people down. So keep that in mind. You know
how the Iranians used to clear minefields play in the
Iaran Iraq War. They had a special cadre of humans

(15:13):
who would run to save tanks. Yeah, the Martyr Brigades.
They would clear the minefields by walking on them. And
that's what we're dealing with everybody, all right, Sorry, Buck
is wompwamp, but I'll always tell you the truth. I
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As second hour of Clay end Buck kicks off right
now and something Clay I thought was really interesting This
New York Post report on you see this. The CIA
used a futuristic new tool called a ghost murmur to
find and rescue the second American airmand who was shot
down in Southern Iran. According to the New York Post.

(16:57):
Here secret technology uses law long range fontum magnetometry to
find the electromagnetic fingerprint of a human heartbeat and pairs
the data with artificial intelligence software to isolate the signature
from background noise. Again, according to the New York Post here,

(17:18):
so by the Eddie was guy I I'm I wasn't
even good at high school geometry, so like this, you know,
this is not this is not what. I had nothing
to do with any of this kind of stuff in
the military industrial complex with the agency. But just even
reading that, and they're saying that Director Ratcliffe of the
Agency and President Trump alluded to it in the White

(17:39):
House briefing on this, so they you know, they're feeling
pretty confident in they're reporting Clay. I mean, that's just
reading that. It's like, wow, yeah, I'd never heard of it. Obviously,
if it's never been used before, I've never heard of
this before. I have no idea. So here, I was
optimistic in the first hour about straight up horror moves
everything else. This is something I'm actually pessing about. If

(18:00):
you want me to go negative on this. I spend
a lot of time thinking about what's what the world
is going to be like, and it may happen sooner
than we even think when individual bad actors have access
to drones that can be can be weaponized and are

(18:22):
able to just send drones to blow things up. In
other words, like a lot of this audience has guns
to protect our homes, right, have weaponry fences, all these
different things to try to make us safer inside of
our homes. Some people even have armed security that is
patrolling homes. All these different things have you set around

(18:46):
and thought about as we look at what's happening with
Ukraine where basically Ukraine Russia is a drone war. We'll
take some calls on this, but one issue on the
straight of horror Moves is one weaponized drone, which can
be deployed by one individual, can blow up an entire
tanker ship. At some point in time, bad guys are

(19:08):
going to get access to this drone technology, and I
fear they're just going to be able to bomb random
people's houses. In other words, right now your concerns an
armed robber might show up at your house with a gun,
and you're trying to think about ways to defend yourself.
What happens at two am when somebody just loads up
a drone with a bomb and just flies it at

(19:29):
your house because they don't like you. This is one
of the things that I worry about because I think
the technology is a moving so rapidly buck that it's
inevitable that individual bad actors are going to get access
to these weaponized drones and start to use them with impunity.
That is scary to me. Yeah, the cartels have been
doing this for some time. They've used drones, the Mexican

(19:50):
drug cartels, they've used drones for not just surveillance, but
even to drop like grenades, drop explosives on targets enemies
law enforcement who we are not far from from a well,
the technology already exists. It's just a question of how
long before you start to see because these drones are
also going to get to the point where they have autonomy.

(20:13):
They have an autonomous flying and movement capability, so you
could essentially set the target and then it just goes
and finds the person. That's where you and I in
the White House saw a drone and we've talked about
this because they declassified it, but saw a drone attack
where there's a car full of four people and the

(20:35):
drone is Now the technology is so specific on the
drone that they can fly in kill one person in
the car, and then the other three people you can
see on the video just fleeing. That's how they know
what seat the guys in they're not taking out the car.
They're taking out the guy in a particular seat inside
of it. Ay, it's a variant of the hell Fire missile.

(20:58):
It's called the flying into the AGM one one four
R nine X, a non explosive missile projectile that essentially
has six sword like blades swords because they are big
and long sword like blades that come out. And you know,

(21:21):
it's messy, but no, in a sense it's less messy
because no collateral damage. But you wouldn't want to get
hit by one of these things, that is for sure.
But yes, the technology that is being deployed here is
very real. But any know, that New York Post story
I just thought was was particularly interesting because there's people
ask me, I mean, now I've been out. I've been
out of the uh uh, the covert world for fifteen

(21:44):
years now, it'll be fifteen years. I've been doing media
this June. So they got all kinds of new wiz bangs.
I've never heard of some of this. Obviously, this no
one to my knowledge who isn't currently active and working
on this technology and the government would have had any
idea about this because it's brand new. But well, all
those things the maduro Y. Yeah, the maduro thing which
they admitted to, which was essentially a sonic weapon, is

(22:07):
to disable all of people. People ask me to like, oh, man,
do you know about this? I was like, no, this
is crazy, this is new stuff. Never heard about it before.
But technology on the battlefield, guys, it's going to advance
so rapidly and it's going to change so much, and uh,
we are. You're already seeing some of this stuff in
the early phase that is going to become ubiquitous. And

(22:31):
you know, this is where we're entering a whole new
era of warfare that will be very different. I think
we're at the I could put it this way, Clay.
I think we're about to enter an era of warfare
with the biggest transformation in how battles are fought since
the early days of gunpowder. I think we're entering. That's

(22:54):
a bold prediction. Well, because we're gonna have h we
already It's something where you could argue were already kind
of there. You're going to have on ground, air, and sea,
non human combatants making real time decisions not just on
where they go, but on who and what they target,
using artificial technology and satellite based communication so that they

(23:18):
can't be jammed or interfered with. I mean, this is
you're talking about, my friend, We're talking about robot armies.
Here we are, we're on the edge of robot army
stuff in a way that you know, you say, okay,
we don't have humanoid robots yet. Have you guys seen
some of the stuff that is coming out from even

(23:39):
you know, Elon's companies. Now, he's not making terminator the
tea what is it? The T eight hundred was that
the original? The T one thousand was the uh was
the alloy metal thing, right, But the T eight hundred
I think was the original terminative. He's not making that.
He's making nice little robots that are going to fold
your laundry. But if a robot can fold your lawn

(24:01):
and it can, you know, make decisions, it can also
shoot a gun. And basically, I know we haven't talked
about the Ukraine situation in some time, but effectively Ukraine
seems to have created enough drones and Russia certainly has
got them too, that we have reached some form of equilibrium.

(24:23):
Now we're coming out of winter, so the roads are
getting better, and we'll see what happens in the spring summer.
But basically the lines are not moving very much because
if you leave, much like back in the olden days
for those of you who remember and have studied at all,
World War One, like you put your head above a
trench and you were done for, and so it became
almost impossible to move in many ways, that's kind of

(24:46):
what's happened with drones now, where if humans come out
in any way and try to advance, the drones are coming.
It's not other humans taking them out. But we got
a lot of talkbacks. We'll start with this one because
you wanted to hit this a while back, and it
is probably the number one question we are getting, and
it is it has to do with what we were
just talking about, which is the larger drone issues. Many

(25:08):
of you have been asking a version of this question,
which is what Tom in Oklahoma City cut f is asking.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
If we destroyed their military, how is if they're still.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Able to try to shut down the straight or remove
Outn't understand how that's working.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Tom. It's a very good question. We have essentially annihilated
their navy. Like their navy, they've got very little left.
It's also it's hard to hide big boats, right, So
they've got very little left. They've got very little air defense,
although not none as we've seen. I mentioned the man pads,
and I think there were actually SAM sites that people

(25:49):
are I have to go back and read the reporting
on it. I think it was a combination of manpad
and so SAM site is a surface to air missile,
MANPAD is the shoulder fired rocket. So that they still
have the and they still have an over half million
person standing army. We haven't killed a half a million
Iranian soldiers, thank god, because that would be that's a

(26:10):
lot of people to kill. Uh, we haven't done that.
So they have their ground force is very much intact,
which is what we would have to contend with even
if we were going to land on the shore of
the of the the Iranian. By the way, all this stuff,
it is helpful to pull up a map for some
of the stuff so you can see, you know, you
got you got the straight up Urmus and you got
you know, the Saudis are on one side of this

(26:32):
body of water, the Iranians, then you got the Iraqis,
the Kuwaitis. I mean, this is this is for the
oil world about a strategic piece of real estate or
a piece of waterway as you could possibly find. But
so Clay, the answer to our friend's question here is
we've really destroyed their air force, surface to air, their
ballistic missiles, their navy. They got a lot of guys

(26:54):
with kalashnikovs and uh and you know, RPGs and stuff
running around still, So think about that for invasion. Why
we don't want to do that. And it doesn't take
much for whatever they've got to fire from shore and
blow up a tanker. It's easy to do even if
you're decimated militarily, which is why the question that I
think we were having in the first hour is to

(27:15):
what extent does the Iranian leadership have the ability to
curtail individual actors from making choices inside of Iran? And
this was Pete Hegseth and his press conference this morning saying, hey,
there's still some missiles and drones being shot off, and
I think Iran's response is, well, we don't have great
communication infrastructure, so we're having difficulty reaching everybody inside of

(27:40):
the Iranian defense and saying hey, we've got a ceasefire
going on right now. It's also possible, and this is
where I think it becomes really messy. It's also possible,
Buck that we have several different factions competing for power
inside of Iran and there isn't any real leader that
has the ability to control the actions inside of the country.

(28:02):
But the easy answer I think for the for the
caller there or the talkbacker is it takes very little
to blow up in a oil tanker. And if you
are an owner your private industry and you own an
oil tanker, what do you think an oil tankers worth
on the market. Eighty million dollars, ninety million dollars I

(28:23):
mean full of oil? Yeah, I got to think of that.
I mean just the physical structure of like you know,
you're running constantly oil on the oil tanker. But if
you are the business, then let's just say it's one
hundred million dollar asset. It turns into risk analysis, right,
what are the percentage chances that something could happen to
your ship? And as we talked about a lot on
this program, the one thing you don't want to be

(28:46):
transporting if suddenly you have flame, or if you have
an explosion and missions you knows are flying at you
and you're on a virtual seat of oil. That's rough.
It's a rough place to be Podcast listener Clint E
from North Carolina.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Hit it, Clay, You're gonna have to take that microphone
away from U. But he's gonna have my four to
one case two and a half damn instead of two
and a half percent.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Up by the end of the day. Very funny, fair
fair point, fair point. I'm I'm not uh, I'm not
sort of bullish. All well. No, I think Trump's gonna walk.
I think this is gonna end up in negotiations. I
just think that when people are assessing the success of
this longer term, it's going to be more of a challenge.
But we'll see, we'll see. But I don't think we're

(29:28):
gonna have a continuous blow them up, come back to
the table, blow them up, come back to the table.
You're gonna just like I said, give it two weeks.
We might blow up some stuff and then there'll be
an agreement to talk again, and this agreement will go
for a month or two. You know this. That's that's
what I see happen. We're gonna keep talking and talking
and the Runians will not concede on the key points.
That's where I think this is all heading. Tom from

(29:51):
Oklahoma City. Oh I'm sorry, we already did that one.
Uh h, Kenneth from Melbourne, Florida.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Clay, you're twisting yourself in knots trying to make your point.
Bottom line, Buck is right. Look, we asked them to
open the straits and let the ships through. That obviously
means we cannot open it. They control it.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Clay, your floor, my floor is Look at the map.
I mean, like the floor is yours? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, yeah,
I'm taking the floor. Look at the map. We control
once they come out of the Strait of hor Moves.
And we have allowed Iranian oil and gas because we
want Iranian oil and gas on the marketplace. So if

(30:37):
like this whole idea of control, if we want to stop,
as the United States all ships from being able to
come out of the Straight of hor Moves, including Iran,
we do that. Iran is saying they control the Straight
of hor Moves because they are crazy enough to just
blow ships up. If we wanted to blow ships up,

(30:58):
we could quote control the Straight of war Moves. We
don't want to do that. We want global commerce to
be able to exist. So it's control is just they're
crazy enough to blow up ships, and we're not willing
to do so. So again, if we just said, hey, Iran,
you're not going to be able to sell your oil
and gas. My argument is the ultimate trump card, which

(31:19):
is obviously well played in this context, is that we
can just say, hey, Straight of War Moves is closed,
like we actually have the ability to close it. What
Iran has the ability to do is levy enough risk
such that rational business owners say, I'm not going to
risk my one hundred million dollar boat. Let's just say
it's one hundred million dollar boat to try to get
this oil and gas out, to say nothing of the

(31:41):
potential loss of lives. And by the way, a lot
of crewmen may be sitting back there saying, you know, buck,
I'd prefer that we don't risk whether or not we're
going to get blown up going through the Straight of
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Keeping It Real, Keeping It Right, Clay and Buck find
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Speaker 1 (33:17):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We are joined by
Florida Senator Rick Scott with us now the great state
of Florida, And Senator, not only do you have a
full time do you hear that in New York state
tax authorities? A full time Florida resident here with me,
You've got a part time Florida resident with Clay. So
a lot of love for the Sunshine State. Thank you

(33:39):
for being here with us. Let's first get into this
because the big news of the day is the ceasefire.
You come from it. I mean, not only do you
have the Senate to draw upon for all of this,
of course, but you come from a business background. You've
done plenty of negotiating yourself. How do you feel about
this ceasefire and what do you think comes next?

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Well, first off, you have to really admire Donald Trump
the guy. The guy is the deal doer and he
you know, he should listen to what he tells you.
I mean, he clearly wants to get rid of the
nuclear weapons, which I'm very appreciative because I love my family.
I don't want them killed by their weapons. And I
think every family should be thinking that way in America.
And thank God to this president cares about us and

(34:21):
wants to save save our lives, and what hell was
Obama doing and and Biden doing so? And he also
wants to get rid of the ballistic missiles, and so
I think, I think it's great. I hope Iran smart
uh and they keep it going. The Democrats are completely insane.
I mean, they say, oh, we got it. You know,

(34:42):
they want to impeach Trump because you know, he he's
holding I Ran accountable. So think about if these same
Democrats were in office. Sherman wouldn't have you know, gone
through the South because by then, you know, Lincoln would
be impeached. And Roosevelt, sure he wouldn't have destroy the
infrastructure in Germany because he had been impeached. And Truman
wouldn't drop the bomb because he had already been impeached.
So these I mean, these Democrats are defending I Toola

(35:06):
a Moss. I mean they're in my you know.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Close to Florida.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
They're they're down into Cuba defending a horrible regime. They're
defending the Ranian regime that killed what thirty some thousand
people just in January. So it's but Trump's doing the
right thing. I'm very optimistic that this is going to last.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
It's and it's but.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
If it doesn't, I mean, I wouldn't play with Trump
if if if they don't do their part, they don't
live up to their part of the bark, and you know,
all hell is going to break loose. You can if
you have you seen that chart of all the leadership
of Iran that's been destroyed. So so I don't think
there's anybody for putting a call anymore.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
We're talking to Florida Senator Rick Scott. You're up for
re election if I'm not mistaken this November. You don't
know your opponent yet, but you're also high up in
overall Senate leadership. Let's talk about the big picture here.
I was just on Fox News talking about the situation
in Michigan. Mike Rodgers is going to be the nominee there.

(36:10):
New Hampshire also and Georgia are potential pickups. And then
you have battlegrounds coming in North Carolina, in Maine, Ohio, others.
What do you expect for the fall to look like
and how optimistic or pessimistic are you about the larger
state maps.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
I think I think Republican asre can do well as
long as we have something to run on. Trump's given
us a lot to run on. I mean, if you
look at what he's what he's done trying to bring
you know, before their ran thing. But they'll come back
down all prices down, the cost of living down, Supporter
law enforcement, supporter military. So Republicans, Republicans are the party

(36:50):
that we care about your job, we care about your kids' education,
we care about public safety. And the Democrats are clearly
the party that doesn't care about jobs, doesn't care about
your education, and doesn't care about public safety. So that
should be our message. If it does, I think we're
going to do well, but we got to get our
votes out. Susans Collins has got a race in Maine,
Houston's got a race in Ohio, like Rogers got a

(37:11):
race in Michigan, Wantley's got a race in North Carolina,
sul Woman's got a race in Alaska. So we only
we've got to pick up opportunity, possibly in New Hampshire
with the new new pickup opportunity, you know, hopefully to
beat us off in Georgie's so we just got to
raise our money, have our message, buster our butts every day.
You want your work every day to get your you know,

(37:32):
to get your votes out every every every day. So
if we do, I think we're gonna have a good fall.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Well, let's certainly hope. So, because we all know, Senator,
you've probably just seen this popping up in your news feed.
They're already talking impeachment, these Democrats in the House, they're
already talking crazy stuff. And I do you think that
I'm just gonna put this out to you. Do you
think that the president is going to have to give
preemptive pardon to some members of his cabinet if just

(37:58):
in case a Democrat word win, because they're so hell
bent on some kind of payback. I worry the Democrats
side to you has been so damaged by Trump. Go ahead, center, Yeah,
I agree. I mean, I mean, it's just Trump derangement syndrome.
They don't they don't care about this country. You saw
it in the State of the Union when Trump asked

(38:19):
to stand up. If you think your first job is
to protect Americans and rather than illegal.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Alien and not one Democrats up for that. So the
I don't think even betterments for that. Uh so the so,
I don't know what will happen, we get we just
the bottom line is we cannot lose. We have got
to We've got to do it. We got to keep
the majority of the House and the Senate. If if they

(38:44):
get the House, and I assume they're going to teach
a lot of people and we're gonna have to deal
with it in the Senate. But Trump's I mean, Trump's
doing it. I mean, what's fascinating is if you care
about this country, you have to thank Trump. You know,
you might say, oh, gosh, I wish you I wish
his rhetoric wasn't that, But guess what he seares the
hell out of people. I mean, look at what he's done.

(39:05):
Look at look we got. We have a chance for democracy.
And in Venezuela with with vi Madura out, it looks
like we've got a big opportunity in Cuba. You look
at look at what he's trying to broke a peace
around the world. If we can, if he can pull
off what he's going to pull off in i Ran,
it chant completely changes in the least and guess what
Russia and China don't have an ally in the Middle

(39:27):
East anymore, because I mean they you know, it's all
transactional and Rams as their friend because they all hate America.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
You represent a state that has a huge Venezuelan and
a huge Cuban population. You just mentioned both. President may
well have asked you. Certainly a colleague of yours, Marco
Rubio as Secretary of State, who you know very well. Uh,
let's go to Cuba. What to you should happen in Cuba?
What would you advise the president as a senator representing

(39:58):
the state with more expact Cubans than any in the country.
What should we do with Cuba? How should we handle it?
What should the future look like there?

Speaker 3 (40:07):
We First off, we all have to realize Diaz Canal
is not the leader. The only leader is row Castro.
The royal Castro needs to be indicted. And the first
step is I would indict roal Castro and then I
would arrest him right because he's actually the leader if Cuba,
the Canal is not the leader. Next, I would make
sure the regime has nothing. They have no dollars, they

(40:30):
have no petro, and they have nothing. Just in the
last two weeks, Democrats have gone down to Cuba to
prop up a regime that kills its own citizens, that
puts them in prison as young as sixteen. There's a
sixteen year olds who's in prison, and they go down
there with a guy that is it lives in my faith.
It says that I should be killed. He goes on

(40:50):
a radio and says Rick Scott, you need to go
kill Rick Scott. So this is these are disgusting people
that don't care about people Like I asked, why didn't
you go down and ask them, you know, talk to
political prisoners what they see, ask him what it's like.
So but I'm I'm hopeful. If Trump keeps doing what
he's doing, I think the regime is going to fall.

(41:11):
I think the people of Cuba are going.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
To rise up.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
They've been they've been protesting, so I think they will
rise up and take over and pick the government they want,
not the government that that you know they would lie
to by the Dale.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Castro speaking of Senator Rick Scott of Florida, Senator, how
are we doing with the judge? This is something that
is always in the background of my mind because I
think it is one of those parts of an administration
that is super important. But doesn't always get much attention
at headlines because it's an ongoing thing, although the possibility

(41:47):
of a Supreme Court vacancy will certainly get attention if
that happens. How are we doing with the judge confirmation
machinery in the Senate? As you see it is Trump
getting judges on the federal court in the numbers that
he needs to to basically rebuild some aspects of our
judiciary towards sanity after the Biden years.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Well, he's getting the ones done in red states, but
we have the bluestup process. Within the bluestup process was
not to stop judges or US attorneys or US marshals,
and that's what the Democrats are using it as So
we already have had to change the rules on nominations
because they were blocking all the nominations. So that would
change last year. And if they keep doing what they're

(42:29):
going to do, you know, with whether we have to
get rid of the filibuster, we get rid of the
bluestup process. Because he won, whether the Democrats like it,
he is the president. He gets to make nominations, right,
that's the way this works. And if it's somebody that
we think is inappropriate that we can decide not to
vote for him. But the Democrats are trying to use

(42:51):
every mechanism to prevent any success by Trump. They want
the economy to be horrible. The Democrats wanting to lose
in Iran. They hate our country. All they want to
do is beat Trump because all they don't care about.
The Democrats don't care about Americans. They just care about
Trump failing and they get back in power. That's all
they think about is how how do how do they,

(43:11):
you know, get back in power. That's all It's all
Schumber thinks about it. Jefferys thinks about Democrats. All they
think about is power, power, power.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Their report coming out of Caroline Levitt, jd vance, Witkoff,
and Kushner are headed to Pakistan to have face to
face meetings with representatives of Iran to try and figure
out what could take place during this ceasefire. What does
victory to you look like? Senator Buck and I debated
what should happen? What could happen if the President were

(43:41):
to ask you, Senator Scott, what should I be my
red line? So to speak? What is victory at this
point in Iran? What does that look like you would say, what,
but the.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Minimum for him, which I agree with. The minimum for
him is that they have no ability to build an
integer weapon, no ability to build bailistic missiles. We've taken
all the enraged rich uranium out of the country and
we control it. That's that's that's the absolute minimum. Now
on top of that, it's hard to believe they'll stop

(44:14):
helping foodies and hamas and hazbala unless we've destroyed their economy.
So either they have to have no economy or they
have to have new leadership because we cannot allow them
to have have a future president. Give them MIKEAE Obama.
They gave them billions of dollars so they can go
try to kill more Americans because they've been killing Americans,

(44:34):
you know, for what forty seven years. So, but the
minimum is no nuclear weapons, no ability and no ballistic
missiles and no ability to do it. That's that's a
bare minimum.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Do you think we'll get there? Do you think the
Iranians will agree to this?

Speaker 3 (44:49):
I think yeah, I think they will because I think
they if you look at what the American military has done,
I mean, it's unbelievable, what we've done, So I think
that that if I and if just look at the
chart of the people that have been killed from at

(45:10):
the leadership and that's problem primarily been done by the Israelis.
But if you're if you're sitting there and you know,
most people are not interested in dying. That's been my
experience of life. So you look at that, you look
at the ORG chart and say, oh, I'm next if
I don't change. So I think that they're going to change.
But you know, I mean, I'm an internal optimist, but

(45:32):
I wouldn't be on the opposite side of Trump right now.
I would never be on the opposite side of Trump.
Would think the guy, the guys willing to go make
the tough choices to protect us for.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
People out there who maybe just aren't thinking about it.
There's lots of talk about the House. The Senate, we
think is far more impactful. Buck mentioned judges. There's the
possibility of Supreme Court vacancies for people out there that
are maybe not paying attention to it. What's the difference.
And you've been in both between being on the majority

(46:02):
side and the minority side in the Senate.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Well, if you're in the minority, you don't get to
decide what you vote on at number one. Number two
you know none. So there's nothing you're gonna that you
want to get done. Like we're we've been bustering about
to get the Save America Act done. There's no way.
I mean, look, I'm going to keep fighting for that.
But if the dim Depts control it, no, they want fraud,

(46:26):
there's no there's no way we'll get a vote on it.
It's hard enough when we're in the majority. But but
I mean, there's nothing that would be good for Americans
that will happen. It will be the dim reuts. What
they want to do is destroy this country. They want
to bankrupt this country. They want to make everything woke.
They hate law enforcement, they hate our military. So if

(46:47):
you love our country, there's no in the world you
can vote for a Democrats. So we have to have
a majority, and we need to have a majority in
both the House and the Senate, and we should. We
have stuff to run on now. We got a lot
of work left to do, but we have got to
get this done. Now. I've come out saying we got
to get rid of philibuster because the way what Democrats
are doing is they're used the philibuster is always supposed

(47:08):
to be used to stop debate. But you get to debate,
but it's eventually you shut up and you go vote.
They're using to say, you know, you never get a vote.
That was never the way that philibuster was supposed to
be set up. And so we I think we're gonna
have if we wouldn't if we want to have something
wrong on in November, we're going to have to say
ourselves finally, you know, all this substruction of stuff by

(47:31):
the Democrats, we're tired of it. We're gonna we're you know,
we gave him a chance. They don't want to work
with us, So we're gonna now we're going we're gonna
go get rid of the philibuster. We're gonna, you know, unfortunately,
you know, get rid of things that that we're supposed
to be, you know, useful like I, you know, I
try to work with a Biden administration on judges, right
instead of saying no, I just all like, is all

(47:52):
I cared about is give me a judge is not
going to create the law. That's all I cared about.
When I was governor of Florida, I pointed Farder and
seven judges. That's the only thing I care about. You
are not. You don't get the legislate. Legislature does so.
But Democrats they want to block everything. Trump will see
it done everything.

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Speaker 2 (49:35):
Level up your brain. Mental mugging with Clay and Buck.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Welcome in our number three Wednesday edition. Clay and Buck
show a lot of different details all coming down just
recently with Caroline Levitt in the White House Press briefing.
And I have got a series of these two updates
you all with these. I believe these are in the

(50:03):
order in which they were occurring. And then we've got
a ton of year talkbacks that we will play and
eight hundred and two two two eight A two. We
will take some of your calls as well. Okay and Buck,
this is one of the big points of discussion we
got into in the first hour, to what extent is
the public and private commentary different from iran? How can

(50:26):
you rely on what is being said? Caroline Levitt cut
twenty six says that what Iran is saying publicly is
different from what they are saying privately.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
Cut twenty six with respect to the first reporting out
of Iranian state media, the President was made aware of
those reports before I came to the podium. That is
completely unacceptable. And again this is a case of what
they're saying publicly is different privately. We have seen an
uptick of traffic in the strait today, and I will
reiterate the President's expectation and demand that the Strait of
Remoose is reopened immediately, quickly and safely. That is his expectation.

(51:02):
It has been relayed to him privately that that is
what's taking place in these reports publicly are false.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Okay, this is an easy one that we can test. Buck.
Either there's going to be a lot of ships that
are coming through the state of Straight of Hormus safely
or there's not. And if there's not, it's a pretty
good sign that that is dishonest, that they are actually
still curtailing traffic substantially. My sense also is that she's
referring to also here referring to the position that the

(51:34):
Iranians are taking on the deal points and is that
included in that response there I've got we've got an
additional we've got an additional cut on that, I think,
which is her saying the ten point request is just
not accurate and we are not agreeing that well. But
this is where the public private dichotomy matters so much, right,

(51:55):
because they're saying the White House is telling us, oh,
don't worry behind closed doors, the Iranians are way more
compliant and willing to play ball on these things than
because what they put out to be clear and we can,
I guess we might as well play this. What the
Iranians put out is their deal position is a giant
extended finger in our direction. Is it is a maximalist

(52:20):
maximalist points on their side that they are taking here.
This is twenty eight. Here's Caroline Levitt on this.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
I've seen a lot of inaccurate coverage today from the
media about these negotiations and these plans already, so let
me be clear and correct the record. The Iranians originally
put forward a ten point plan that was fundamentally unserious, unacceptable,
and completely discarded. It was literally thrown in the garbage
by President Trump and his negotiating team. Many outlets in

(52:48):
this room have falsely reported on that plan as being
acceptable to the United States, and that is false. With
the president's deadline fast approaching in the United States military
completely decimating Iran, with each passing out, the regime acknowledged
reality to the negotiating team, they put forward a more
reasonable and entirely different and condensed plan to the President

(53:08):
and his team. President Trump and the team determined the
new modified plan was a workable basis on which to negotiate,
and to align it with our own fifteen point proposal.
The President's red lines, namely the end of Iranian enrichment
in Iran, have not changed, and the idea that President
Trump would ever accept an Iranian wish list as a

(53:29):
deal is completely absurd.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
I don't think anyone well, I mean we certainly haven't.
I haven't seen anyone say that the ten points put
forward by Iran were accepted by the White House. So
I think that's a little bit of a red herring.
No one's saying that we've agreed to that. Not even
CNN or New York Times as saying we've agreed to that,
But that is what was put out there. Look, everyone,
we are very pro Trump and very pro America, and

(53:56):
very pro humanity in these matters. Here, Clain, I can
certainly agree on anti death, anti anti death, anti innocent
people suffering, anti chaos, mass hysteria, dogs and cats living together.
We don't like any of those things. I'm going to
have to now step in. I'm a little I'll tell
you this. I feel I should have been louder about

(54:17):
DHS secretary Gnome was a horrible choice, and it was
an outrageously bad case of People might say, Oh, it
doesn't matter really, how many deportations have we gotten done? Really,
how's our immigration stuff looking from the deportation perspective? And
how much time has been lost? And how anyway? So
I feel like I gave Trump because he's Trump and

(54:39):
he won. I was like, you know what his team,
his picks. Who am I? Who am I to judge?

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Now?

Speaker 1 (54:43):
I knew, I knew, and you all know that I
knew on this one, Clay, how's our whole ending of
the Ukraine war thing and one day going not going?
How's our whole getting Kim Jong un to open a
whole new universe of the talks with Trump? And ever, Yeah,
he's not firing off rocket. I'm not saying nothing has
been done or there's not concessions or whatever, but hasn't happened. Okay,

(55:07):
Russian Russian aggression against Ukraine's still ongoing. I I am sorry.
I'm feeling a little bit of a spin coming from
this White House on this where they're saying, oh no,
what they're saying in private, we'll see, we'll see. Trump's
red line is that they're gonna give up. They're gonna
agree to formally remember to agree to give up. The

(55:28):
nuclear program comes with things like getting rid of their
enriched uranium, like allowing inspectors. You know, there are actual processes.
It's not just like oh yeah, we'll do that and
then they can lie about it, right, because that wouldn't
be acceptable either. They're not gonna do it, guys. I mean,

(55:48):
I hope I'm wrong. I'll come and I'll tell you.
I'll be like, oh, in two weeks, you know what,
they're gonna say. We're getting closer, We're getting close. Great
progress has been made. Jared Kushner is nailing this thing down.
Great progress has been made. Okay, we'll see hopefully the
straight opens. That's a big part of the Clay, but
I think they will open the straight because now they're
in the negotiation phase and that's their leverage against us.

(56:12):
That's why I think the end result, this is my prediction,
is going to be both sides agreed to just kind
of put down arms and leave things where they are.
And our argument is that Iran is agreed that they're
going to stop, and we think that the uranium is

(56:32):
underground and unreachable, and then Iran is saying to their people, hey,
you know, they came for us and we haven't given
up anything. That may be true. This is a little
different from what we're talking about in the first hour, Clay,
I could see what you're saying happen, but keep in
mind that is not achieving a non nuclear Iran and
that is not what that is though. But yes, but

(56:54):
what that allows, this is what I'm thinking is going
to end up being the end result the because the
only other option is this, like, right, there are two
options for how that thing ends. We go on the
ground with our you know, with somebody who's with our
nerds who have to actually get the canisters. Right, We
go on the ground in Iran with which there was

(57:16):
a report I think in a Wall Street Journal that
we were considering doing this, We seize it all, we
bring it back, we hold it up, and we're like,
we got it here. It is UH, and they can't
use this anymore. The other option, which I think I
agree with you on this, is Iran just agrees to
give it to us. I can't foresee a world in

(57:38):
which Iran is humiliated enough to just hand over all
of the uranium and all of their literal physical capacity
to try to make nuclear weapons. Here's the other question
that that that I think is going to UH is
going to loom large here, and and that is something

(58:01):
I bet again we're we're going to get a good
sign for what is the public posture versus what is
the private posture. Ships are either going to come through
or they're not. And if the ships aren't coming through,
then the argument of the straight of war moves as
one hundred percent open is not accurate. And we can
determine that now the price of oil and gas has

(58:24):
come down twenty dollars, which suggests that there is some
optimism that the flow of oil and gas is going
to continue. But I think that's a that's the number
one trust. But verify component here is are the ships
coming through and that's what I would want to see
as the hey you can be trusted component of this

(58:46):
early stage negotiation with jd Vance Witcoffin Kushner headed to Pakistan.
I just these these Iranians, man, they're wily cats. These
guys know what I'm telling this, what they're going to do.
They're gonna say, hold hold on to and they're gonna
put out They're gonna use the mechanisms they have to
put out statements to whether it's you know, through the

(59:06):
running it through uh Press in the Middle East or wherever.
I mean, they can just put it on X for all.
It doesn't it doesn't matter. They'll say, hey, hey guys,
we open the straight. We're negotiating, we're negotiating, we're figuring
it out. We're figuring it out. And then as a
little bit of time moves on, you know, they're gonna say,
they're gonna say, you know what, Trump, you really don't
want us to shut down this straight with you guys

(59:26):
having the midterms coming up, so you know, I think
they think the leverage has switched to their side on this.
I really do. And if we start bombing. We're bombing
them through fourth or July weekend, the summer. You think
that's gonna be a good look. This was promised to
be four to six weeks. We are at the deadline.
This is where we are now, and we're sending in
Jared and Witkoff to Islamabad apparently to figure this whole

(59:48):
thing out via Pakistan. I don't know, man, So I
think you're I think they're gonna open the straight up.
But the point is they're gonna open the straight up
and then they're gonna say, yeah, everything else stays. Here's
the larger issue. This is where I actually agree with
you one hundred percent. Midterms are an issue, but let's
move beyond. Let's actually think bigger picture, longer range. Iran

(01:00:12):
knows worst case scenario for them. Trump is out in
January of twenty nine. Who is the most likely successor
to Trump right now? Jd Vance? What did jd Vance
argue in the New York Times Peace that came out
today that he didn't want to do anything to Iran?
If I'm Iranian leadership right now, I'm saying, hey, two

(01:00:32):
and a half years, it may be rough. Trump may
come after us, but if we get JD, we can
work with JD. And by the way, Democrats, we saw
Bob a bit over backwards and gave butterfly kisses to
the Iranian leadership. So the concern is Trump's the only
bad guy they have to deal with. And it's only
two and a half years. Now do you sound like

(01:00:53):
Now you sound like an Iranian bad guy who knows
who's selling his pistachios to You know what I'm saying,
I mean this is this, this is the long range.
And I do think the advantage that evil dictators have
is evil dictators can think longer than a four year
cycle or a six month cycle. And this is why
my argument for you know, this is why I like kings.

(01:01:17):
If you've got a good king, you get him for
like forty years, you know you've got a good president.
You know, even Socrates was like, the best government is
just having a perfect person in charge of everything. Unfortunately,
there's no perfect person. But but Trump, the best possible
person that we could have, is only here for eight years.
And my god, can you imagine what will happen if
Kamala Harris or Gavin Newsom is in office in January

(01:01:38):
of twenty nine. They're not going to do anything. So
that's the ultimate I think challenge that Trump has is
two and a half years is nothing. The older you get,
the less two and a half years is. And then
you add on the religious fundamentalism, and those guys think
in hundreds and thousands of years, that's you know, get

(01:02:00):
about conquering the world in twenty eight hundred, not worrying
about what the next three years are going to look like.
That's my beach face. Beard is getting a little longer,
his farsie is getting a little bit clearer, like he's
you're dude, I think you're you're edging at least towards
seeing I think how this can go sideways really fast,
Which is even even if you're right about the feelings

(01:02:22):
on the you know, the state of the negotiations right now,
let's just say there is some private there's so many
ways that this thing gets gets screwed up. Now here's
the I'll give you My biggest upside to this is
that how downside has been quite limited. That is, and
that's why the ending this thing now is I think

(01:02:43):
the right move. But I think it's basically ending now,
and I think we walk away they think they won.
We think we won, and this is the way this
thing moves forward. I don't think there's going to be
a nuclear deal at the end of this. We didn't
lose hundreds or thousands of American soldiers fighting. We didn't
get into a six month or six year forbid war
like this. This is manageable where it is now. So

(01:03:04):
that's to me the upside of this. But people are
gonna tell you if this is the end state where
we are right now, which is the straight opens and
there's negotiations going forward, that's not what the purpose of
this of this air campaign was. Just to be clear,
that's that's not what Maybe they're going to get there
and that in that case, great, I'll say they get there,
but it was not We're going to negotiate more over

(01:03:26):
this stuff, and the straight of horror moves is open.
And we destroyed a lot of their military stuff, which
we did do, and it was an amazing display of
American military power, But that is not what that is
not what this was all about. And I think that's
why the Israelis, by the way, are very annoyed about
this current situation. And by the way, Lebanon is still
going to become an issue because they're still fighting going

(01:03:47):
on there and they're saying that's supposed to be a
part of the ceasefire. The other thing is, and again
I really encourage people not always we say this to
read that New York Times piece. Israel told Trump that
there would be regime change, meaning the Ayatolas would be
out if we did this. Now, the Trump advisors Marco
Rubio didn't buy it. According to the reporting, jad Vance

(01:04:11):
didn't endorse this in any way. People listen to the
show now, I've never bought it. I've always been like,
I don't think that's gonna happen. It's not gonna happen.
So Trump is now saying regime change is a new leader,
which technically is accurate, but it isn't a new democratic leader.
It's just a different religious fundamentalist. When you're talkingbout things

(01:04:34):
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