Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Apr 10 2026

High Stakes Negotiations 

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton share skepticism about Iran’s intentions and intense focus on the Strait of Hormuz. Buck argues forcefully that Iran is employing classic “run out the clock” tactics, allowing limited tanker traffic—estimated around 10% of normal levels—while claiming cooperation. He contends this partial opening largely benefits Iran-friendly nations like China and Russia and does not meet the strategic objective of restoring free navigation for global trade. Clay largely agrees on the strategic importance of fully reopening the strait but introduces a provocative economic argument: America’s status as a net energy exporter has fundamentally changed the political calculus around oil price spikes. Unlike the 1990s, when high oil prices crushed the U.S. economy, today many American producers, investors, and energy states materially benefit when oil trades near $100 a barrel.

This Guy Will Make You Smarter

An interview featuring Ryan Girdusky, host of It’s a Numbers Game and author of The National Populist Substack, who breaks down what polling actually shows about President Donald Trump’s Iran policy. Girdusky explains that while core MAGA support remains high, skepticism and uncertainty have grown among Trump’s broader coalition—especially among white voters without college degrees—largely driven by rising gas prices and inflation fears. He stresses that foreign policy support erodes quickly once voters feel economic pain at home, and that gas prices are one of the most visible and emotionally potent indicators of inflation heading into an election year.

The discussion then turns to how long voter anger over gas prices tends to last and how it could impact the 2026 midterms. Girdusky argues that timing is critical: if high gas prices disrupt summer travel plans, that resentment can linger into the fall, particularly in swing states and battleground Senate races like Alaska and Maine, where fuel costs are among the highest in the country. Clay and Buck debate whether gas-price frustration fades quickly once prices fall, or whether the emotional impact of a “ruined summer” could damage Republicans months later, even if prices normalize by October.

Women Have Been Lied To

Cultural and social dynamics surrounding dating, marriage, and male‑female expectations. Buck argues many women—particularly in elite urban centers—were misled into believing corporate success would enhance long‑term relationship prospects the same way it does for men, while Clay notes that biological timelines make career‑first decisions riskier for women than men. They discuss how men and women face fundamentally different incentives in dating and family formation, and how ignoring those differences has produced widespread dissatisfaction rather than empowerment.

Dude Therapy and Sports 

Sports, masculinity, and emotional connection, using a viral comedy routine to examine why sports talk radio often doubles as therapy for men. Clay recounts his time hosting sports radio during the COVID shutdown, explaining how sports fandom gave working‑class listeners emotional escape, stability, and a sense of belonging during periods of isolation and stress. A classic Rush Limbaugh clip reinforces the idea that sports allow people—particularly men—to invest passion without the emotional risks inherent in personal relationships, making sports a unique outlet for identity and community.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We
appreciate all of you who are hanging out with us.
Let's have some fun and get you guys informed on
a variety of different stories as we head into what
should be a great weekend. Master's Action underway. For those
of you who are golfers, it is an official sign

(00:23):
for many parts of the country that spring has sprung.
We will give you the absolute latest on the US
Iran situation. Artemis two scheduled for a splashdown landing off
the coast of San Diego. Our buddy Ryan Gerdsky gonna
join us at one to talk about a bunch of
different topics, including this data coming out that nobody's having

(00:47):
babies anymore, which is frankly kind of alarming much of
Western civilization. The population is collapsing. Nobody really to a
large extent, is talking about it. The egxit essential threat
to America and the world, it likely is turning out,
is not going to be climate change or global warming.

(01:08):
It's gonna be a bunch of people just deciding not
to have babies in the population collapsing as a result.
We will talk about all that and more, but we
begin with the biggest news, which is high stakes negotiations
that are poised to take place in Pakistan over the weekend,
and Vice President Jade Vance is leading that charge, and

(01:31):
he took off earlier today. I think it was actually
maybe even last night for the Iran negotiations in Pakistan.
And this is what he said right before he got
on the plane to begin that trip cut for We're
looking forward to negotiation.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I think it's going to be positive. We'll, of foresee,
as the President of the United States said, if the
Iranians are willing to negotiate in good faith, we're certainly
willing to extend the open hand. If they're going to
try to play us, then they're gonna find the negotiating
team is not that receptive. So we're trying to have
a positive negotiation. The presidents gave us some pretty clear
guidelines and we're gonna see.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
All right. So update on the markets.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
The dow down a small amount s and P five
hundred when I last checked up, A small amount, not
a lot of movement. Oil and gas has stabilized dropped
substantially during the course of this week and has since
kind of danced around that one hundred dollars, Mark Buck,
Are you optimistic at all for these negotiations that are

(02:34):
gonna take place in Pakistan?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
What do you expect?

Speaker 1 (02:38):
If anything, let's predict if we were coming back on Monday,
what does our conversation look like with these negotiations in
theory beginning on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
I think our.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Answer already, but I'm just gonna I'm just gonna allow
you to Debbie Downer us all as we begin the
program here on a beautiful spring Friday.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
I cannot tell a lie. As you all know, there's
not going to be a deal. There's going to be
a deal. To continue figuring out what the deal looks like.
And this is Iranian Bob and Weave. This is float

(03:18):
like a butterfly, sting like a bee, Middle East style.
This is exactly what they have been doing all along.
And I'm gonna say this. I am, I guess obviously
pessimistic about the chance of us being negotiated to a conclusion,
but I am hopeful. And this is one of these
ones where I would love it. It will I will

(03:40):
be smiling ear to ear on this show and taking
the proverbial paddle and saying thank you sir. May I
have another If I'm wrong on this one, some of
you will catch the reference to animal house. It is
absolutely the case that the Iranians, I think I should say,

(04:02):
in my view, is absolutely the case that the Iranians
view this as now a delay game and they're using
the price of oil and our political considerations as their
leverage clay. The straight of horn Moves is not open.
That was the big thing here. It's a little open.

(04:22):
It's a little open. It's not open. I think they're
saying ten percent of the expected traffic through hor Moves
is going through. And guess who's getting waved on through Russia.
China friendlies to Iran and they may be paying crypto,
they may be paying tolls we don't even know about

(04:43):
to Just to be clear about this, I don't think
that's happening. I think Russia and China would be like,
you really don't want to mess with us too. But
who knows, right? Who knows? So I am hopeful that
this is jd Vance and Jared Kushner shining moment.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Now.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
What may happen is the deadline will pass in two weeks,
we start bombing them again. For a few days. We
have press conferences from the Pentagon saying look at how
much we can kick their ass, and then we go, okay,
another ceasefire. You guys want to talk, and the Iran
and is like, oh fine, fine, We're willing to talk,

(05:19):
and so on and so forth and again, like I said,
I am hopeful I am wrong on this one, but
I do not see Clay. If the strait is not
open right now, what exactly have we gotten in the ceasefire?
And the strait is not open right now and no
one seems to want to talk about that, I will
think this is all that was Debbie Downer to the max.

(05:40):
Wasn't that was on a Friday?

Speaker 1 (05:41):
On the back look, I think the number one thing
is the Strait of horror moves being officially open and
Iran eliminating its desire potentially to uh to blow up
freighters filled with oil. Here's something I don't hear anybody
talking about. And this is not Debbie Downer. This is
DEBI realistic. There's a lot of big time Trump donors

(06:05):
that are thrilled with what the price of oil and
gas is right now. So think about this if you
are and there are a bunch of Texans listening to
us right now. If you are in Texas, you are
thrilled with what the price of oil and gas is
right now.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Fifty dollars a barrel. It's hard to make money.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Sixty dollars a barrel, there's tiny little profit margin. One
hundred dollars barrel of gas. There are people that are
going to be having champagne toasts going on while they
kick back and watch the Masters all over Texas this weekend,
as long as these prices remain higher. The reason why
I bring it up is there is a little bit
of a disconnect between what the average consumer thinks the

(06:50):
price of oil and gas should be and what oil
and gas producers think the price of oil and gas
can be. And the calculus on this is very different
than it was in the nineteen nineties when we had
to import all of our oil and gas into this
country in order to be able to Okay, to take
care of everything. Now we're net exporters and so so

(07:13):
it's a different kind So I'm just wait, this is.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Do you do you think Trump doesn't want the straight
you're saying there are a lot of Trump donors who
want the gas price high, so they like this congestion.
Are you saying Trump doesn't want the straight open? I'm
a little confused.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Now, well, I'm saying I'm not sure that the straight
being one hundred percent open is a universal goal of
every part.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Of the sure. But what's Trump's goal.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Trump's goal, I think is to get oil and gas
down to there's a bit of dispute over this for
a while. He thinks the ideal price is fifty dollars
a barrel. The Texas guys, maybe some of you can
call in and.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Gets I was gonna say, can we get somebody to
put your stetson down for a second here, pick up
your phone Texans who work in oil and gas and
let us know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, actually, I would love that. You don't have to
give us your official designation. But if you are listening
to us right now and you are involved in American
oil and gas, here's another point, buck.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Yeah, you don't have to call in and say, my
name is John Smith. I'm a senior VP at XON.
I work in this office. You can be like, this
is John and I know what I bought it.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
And I just bought a Picasso because in the last
month I made an extra one hundred million dollars because
the barrel of gas doubled. But I do think this
that here's another stat book that that I was reading.
I've been doing a bunch of research on oil and
gas because I'm fascinated by this entire industry.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
You know that California, which is trying to say.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Hey, we're all into clean oil and gas and we're
gonna be the green news. You know that twenty nine
percent of California's gas is imported, according to the Wall
Street Journal, and comes through the Strait of Horn Moves,
infinitely more than any other state in the United States.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Did you notice?

Speaker 1 (08:56):
I had no idea it's a tiny percentage of oil
and gas that ultimately ends up in the United States
that transits through the Straight of Horror moves California. I
believe I'm gonna pull up that stat and we'll share
that article I was reading. California imports about twenty nine
percent of its overall oil and gas from the Straight

(09:16):
of Horn Moves. So right now, if you are listening
to us in California, your entire basis for the Green
New Deal and everything else. In addition to the fact
that you have to pay way more to fill up
your cars and your trucks, which is infuriating, I would imagine,
But Buck, they are actually bringing in the California dollars,

(09:40):
are actually going to these Middle Eastern countries as opposed
to staying here at home because California has tons of
oil casts that they're not.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Decided talking to me about the oil markets and everything,
and it's very interesting, and you know, you really also
could run a stock market like you're very into this stuff. Well,
you could be sitting there with honestly think you're probably
better than Kramer. No offense five actually, no offense to Kramer.
You could be doing this on everything. If I'm just
right about a little bit, I could probably do better.
But on this issue of where we are with ending

(10:11):
the Iran war, not how people in Texas may feel
about it, if they happen to have a lot of
shares of Exxon or Texico or whatever. I know, there's
been all these mergers I can't remember. Does Trump feel
good about where things are right now? Do you think
that the administration feels like this is where things are
supposed to be. I checked this morning. Ten percent. There
are thousands of ships that are still bottled up ten

(10:31):
percent of the straight traffic is happening, and Iran is
claiming now the right for national security purposes to inspect
and deter any ships coming into the strait that it wants.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
No, he wants the strait to be clear and open,
and I do think that the overall precedent being set
of open bodies of water, which is a global trade
perspective position, should not be able to enact holes.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Right.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
That's different than the Panama Canal or something that is
a man made shipping creation where you certainly are extracting tolls.
That's the basis for it, just like a toll road
versus an interstate that's paid for. The idea is that
this has to be going through. What I am saying
is I do think the politics of this is actually

(11:20):
a bit more complicated, and maybe the pressure is different
versus an individual filling up their oil and gas and
the Texas oil men out there. We got loaded lines
from the Texas oil men who are saying this is
actually incredibly good, and it's a different calculus when much
of the money is still coming into this country, when

(11:42):
we benefit in some ways from a corporate perspective on
higher oil and gas prices, and they want to drill
more when prices go up. Now, this is just big picture.
It's hard to get more oil and gas drilling done
when there's fifty dollars a barrel, because it's hard to
make money. At one hundred dollars a barrel, they make

(12:02):
way more money. I would bet that the capacity that
could be dialed up in the United States is substantial
at those dollar figures. I just don't hear anybody talking
about the fact that the calculus has changed when it
comes to America as a net exporting country. Of this
is a tremendous success story compared to when we had

(12:23):
to bring everything else in. A lot of those dollars
on oil and gas now stay in America and actually
can provide fuel. No pun intended in a positive direction
for the economy. Now, the downside is obviously individual consumers
have to pay more. But if you look at it
on an inflation adjusted basis, oil and gas is one
of the greatest buys that exists anywhere in the world.

(12:46):
We pay far less now on an inflation adjusted basis.
You know, oil and gas, I believe is cheaper than
bottled water. Again, I find all this and I mean this,
I'm not I would never be still hilliest when you're
doing your financial I find all this deeply interest. We
stop bombing them so they would open the straight and
the strait's not open. This is the fundamental problem.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
In general, what I'm saying is I'm not sure that
the political pressure is as intense on this issue as
maybe the general population.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
Then the Strait doesn't need to be open.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Well, I think it needs to be open eventually. But
if it ends up eventually opening in a month, I
think that there's a lot of oil and gas people
in Texas that would say, hey, that's fine, So the
pressure valve isn't as tight as one's my argument, I
got you, Okay, interesting and I may be wrong, but
I want to hear from the Texas guys in Gallon,
and one of the chances one of them is actually
named text By the way, extra points if you call

(13:41):
it and you're like, I've been an oil man for
forty years, my name's Texts. I think the oil and
gas guys are going to say, Clay, you're the only
person who's actually made this argument in anywhere in media,
because it is a different calculus than it was in
the nineties, and I think not surprised a lot of
media have not caught up with what oil and gas
independence and US being a net exporter actually means when

(14:04):
oil and gas prices go up. It used to be
we got entirely gouged and we were the victims. Now
we are actually having a great deal of success. China
arguably becomes a victim, the europe becomes a victim, the
countries that are not energy independent. This is actually what
Trump has been arguing for so long. We had to

(14:24):
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Speaker 4 (15:45):
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.
Our numbers guy, the data guru of Clay and Buck World,
Ryan Gurdusky, is with us. Now. It's a numbers game
as this podcast, which many of you have been listening
to on the Claan Buck Now. I know that because
I get to see the numbers, special secret sauce and Ryan,
your podcast is doing phenomenally well because it turns out

(16:07):
people like to know the real data, the facts, the figures,
the what's going on in politics, and you explain it
so very well and do such good analysis of it.
So congratulations on that.

Speaker 6 (16:20):
Appreciate it. Thank you for giving me this opportunity. I
really really appreciate it. Try really hard to make sure
that everyone's as well informed as I am.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Well, yeah, absolutely, And this is the thing. If you
give Ryan your time, I'm just really going to give
him a pluget. If you give Ryan your time, you
listen to the numbers game, you're gonna know more than
when you started listening, and you're going to know more
than a lot of people who think they know a
lot about politics, which is this is always I used
to tell Ryan this too, is like why do I
want to work with Ryan? Why do I have him
on as a guests, Because he's one of the rare
guests who calls in or joins, who teaches me things

(16:49):
about politics. You know, a lot of people are I'm
a political consultant, I'm like, well that guy knows nothing.
Ryan knows a lot. So there's a lot of that
as you go out there. Yeah, so let's we want
to talk about this birth data situation, which you did
a piece on recently for your substack, which is also
excellent the National Populace newsletter. But first, kind of what
is the truth about support for this Iran situation? I'm

(17:13):
sure you've been crunching these numbers too. Some people say
of all of Republicans are behind Trump. Other people say
his numbers are in the toilet nationally. What's really going on?

Speaker 6 (17:25):
Yeah, the numbers are very bad. I mean for Republicans.
And I said this time and time again, no one
was going to care so long as it didn't affect
them at home, because they just naturally trust Trump. But
the thing is is, now that gas prices have soared,
the numbers have tanked. What you're referencing is how does
MAGA feel? And it's I don't like that question and

(17:47):
polls because there's nothing to identify if you are a
MAGA Republican or not aside from you saying so. So
I could look at your voter file and say you're
a man, you're between this ages, you live in this area, YadA,
YadA yadas, and that will be a quantifier. Say, okay,
this person is actually telling their details but themselves correctly,
and we could properly wait the poll. You could be

(18:07):
a maga Republican today and not a maga Republican tomorrow,
and is rich your opinion ten times over. It basically
says do you or do you not? Support the president?
And among people who say they are a macro Republican,
it is around ninety percent among most of these polls.
What you want to look for, though, is other indicators
of likely Trump voters and how they feel so among

(18:27):
Republicans and among people who voted for Donald Trump's opposition
or undecided this That's the other thing I look for
is if you're undecided about your opinion about it. That
has slowly been climbing. It was around twelve to thirteen
percent according to the NPR and Washington Post pole back
in March first, when this whole copic began. By the
time you get to the Fox Pole and another poll

(18:49):
since then, like the Quinnipiac poll, that number climbs about
twenty six percent. Right among the Trump's most loyal voting block,
which is whites without a college degree, why is that
a college degree? Support of this war at the very
beginning by double digits in some polls, around fifty five
to fifty six percent, goring to Sen in the Washington
Post other ones, they're that support among that demographic, the

(19:11):
most important demographics to the Republican Coalition opposition has climbed
over fifty five percent almost every poll now, especially because
of gas prices and inflation, and once again a lot
of there's a lot of anxiety about the economy, and
anytime Trump talks about foreign policy and gives a lot
of emphasis, voters feel that he's not paying enough attention
about the economy, which is what they are concerned about.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Ryan, it wasn't very long ago that Democrats were saying
Minneapolis is going to be the story for mid terms.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
No one talks about Minneapolis anymore.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
I haven't heard Alex Pretti or Redey Goods name in forever.
I think it was ultimately a sign of just how
quickly our new cycle can move. I don't know when
we're going to get a resolution with Iran. I'm not
sure exactly what it's going to be, but I feel
like it will likely happen in the next couple of months,
presuming that that occurs. If we get to June July, August,

(20:09):
which is kind of the summer season where people not
tune out, and Trump has managed to turn the conversation
back domestically. Do you really think in September, October, November again,
if we get some resolution by Memorial Day, which I
think we will in Iran, do we really think that
we're going to still be talking about the situation in Iran.

(20:30):
I get that it's bad for Trump if it still
is a story, but I just feel like stories come
and go so quickly that the reason they made the
decision to attack on February twenty eighth was because they
knew by the summer they could pivot back to domestic affairs.
And whatever we thought we're going to be the big
stories for this year, they're just gone and kind of

(20:51):
in the wastepin.

Speaker 6 (20:52):
So as long as gas prices go down, because that
continent one, people want to go on summer vacation, They
want to go to the beach, they want to go
on hollidays. Gas being four dollars a gallon is going
to really tamper on their summer plans make it a
lot harder to go on vacation. Have residual effects in
the economy that will be a negative. Right. Also, the
thing about gas prices as a you see a gas

(21:15):
price every four blocks wherever you travel in this country,
it is an indicator of inflation. He really needs gas
prices to go down, whether that be a gas tax holiday,
whether it be more domestic, you know, reducing our petroleum reserves,
whatever the case may be, gas prices are going to
be really hindering him as they have every previous president.

(21:36):
Even if you have an electric guitar electric sorry guitar,
electric car. If you have an electric car, you see
gas prices no matter where you go, and you're like, wow,
that's very very high right now. That just shows inflation.
And what we saw on the latest jobs and wages
numbers that came out today is that it's because the
inflation jumped with gas prices increasing the wage. The growth

(21:59):
in income is being eaten away at higher inflationary costs
because of gas prices.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
So Ryan, can I just have to jump in really
quickly than Clay, I think has a real question for you.
But your point of an electric cars not necessarily true,
because when Clay drives by people in his tesla and
sees the price of gas, he says haha, peasants.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Well to be fair.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
As with all things, I cover both ends of the
spectrum here. I have both a Tesla, which I love
and I would encourage everyone to buy, and I'm not
being paid anything for it, although we should be paid. Honestly,
we need to talk to elon this. We should get
paid by Tesla. But and by the way, he's got
plenty of money to be paying us. I also have
an SUV, so I only am covering both ends of

(22:44):
the spectrum. I'm both paying way less and way more
than the average car driver. But going to your point, Ryan,
is there any data on so early voting will start,
you know, sometime in October most places, right, and then
eat into is there any data on let's presume oil
prices are down in October, because I think you're right.

(23:05):
If oil prices are high, it's going to be a negative.
How much backlog on oil prices? Again, I don't know
what's the average about four dollars and ten cents a
gallon or something like that, if I'm not mistaken, And
let's say that they're back down around three dollars ish,
you know, And again every time I say this, people

(23:26):
are like, I pay Okay, this is a nationwide average
in California, you're getting.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
I love how great Ann Ethyl is the only one
who buys gas in place I pay.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Every time I mentioned the price of anything, Remember when
eggs was a big story, I was like, well, you know, eggs,
somebody's like I paid this morning. You know, It's like, Okay,
it's a nationwide price. Everybody is gonna pay a little
bit different, all right. So let's say that the average,
the average nationwide can be different in California and New
York and Florida and Texas and Tennessee. Where I am,

(23:55):
average is three dollars? Will people still be angry about
gas prices in April?

Speaker 3 (24:00):
May June?

Speaker 1 (24:00):
In other words, how long does gas price anger linger?
And if it's back down to around three dollars, which
I predict it will be in the fall, you can
grab this one and call me out if I'm wrong
on it. Do people still stay angry about what the
price was in April?

Speaker 7 (24:14):
And then.

Speaker 6 (24:16):
I think that if it affects their summer plans, I
think that anger boils over into the fall. He really
has to get it down in a very very short
period of time. The window is very very small, it's
maybe two months. I would say two to two and
a half months is where you want to get down.
If it is still high in the summer and they're saying, guys,
guess what, we're knocking on vacations here because we can't
afford gas, which in many places is very high. That

(24:39):
will be absolutely impactful. It also depends on the places
where gas is the highest. One of the highest places
for gas right now is Alaska four dollars and sixty
five cents a gallon according to at triple A. Alaska
has a very very critical US Senate race in it
that will that we'll decide, you know, how this election
plays out for the US Senate control the Senate. So

(25:01):
it depends on where. Also, main is very high means
four hours and six cents a gallon. It depends on where,
and it depends on how fast you want to get
it down as fast as possible before it affects people's
summer plans and the anger over that and the anger
of an anxiety over the economy. How long that that,
you know, moves forward.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
So Ryan, can we keep you through because I actually
want to want to save this for the discussion, save
some time for the discussion about your substack on the
CDC data on birth. Fascinating stuff on who's having babies
in this country and what's changing, and get into immigrants
and you know immigrants who are coming here of all
this stuff. Can we keep you through for another segment
and Clay can speak? Okay, well, Ryan Grodowski, it's a

(25:42):
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Speaker 3 (27:21):
Oh, welcome back in all right, Ryan Gardusky with us.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
This is actually a threat to the future of humanity,
not not climate change, which has been the obsession for
the last generation. People are not having babies. Buck has
started to do his part, he and carry them.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Well, we're working on We're gonna build out the roster.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Buddy, We're working you got to build out the roster
and help save humanity.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Uh, I've got three.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
I legitimately Ryan tell my boys now that my favorite
kid is gonna be the one that has the most
gets married and has the most kids and does the
best job of being a dad. Uh, because I've people
sometimes like my boys, legit roll their eyes at me
over this. But if you look at the numbers, the

(28:08):
number of kids that are being born, babies are a
vote for the future.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
I really do believe this.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
It's hard to be pessimistic if you've got a young
baby in your hands and you're thinking about the future
that they are going to one day be a part of.
And it's incredibly important obviously to the furthering of the country.
What's going on here?

Speaker 6 (28:26):
Yeah, so birth rates are down worldwide, it's not just
an American phenomenon. And actually America, for a developed country,
is still at the higher end at one point five
seven children per woman. You measure per woman, not per man,
so one point five to seven children per women. You
need two point one children per woman to meet replacement levels.
What we're seeing in the new CDC data for February

(28:48):
twenty twenty six is one an indicator that Trump's immigration
crism is actually highly effective, because among immigrant groups that
have more than one thousand children a month, we're seeing
double digital clients. I always say fertility is a lagging
indicator of immigration enforcement. In other words, if you were
seven months pregnant when Trump came in, and you're an

(29:08):
illegal alien, you're gonna have the kids. Who gets an American citizenship,
You're not going to flee. As the crackdowns have happened
on legal immigration or illegal immigration, as people have self deported,
that number. Obviously, as time goes on and there's fewer
pregnant women they've had the baby since competing president, there
will be less children being pregnant and being born afterwards.
So among immigrants from China, legal and illegal, the number

(29:32):
is down seventeen point five percent, Colombians ten point five percent,
Ecuadorians twenty two percent, El Salvadorian fifteen percent, Guatamolans sixteen percent,
Haitians sixteen percent, and Mexicans thirteen percent. These are all
the groups that have more than one thousand children per month.
So among that it shows there is clearly an effective

(29:52):
either a self deportation and mass deportation happening because you're
seeing it now in the birth data as well. The
most interesting thing about fertility data that is coming out,
it's a story that no one really is covering, is
the massive decline among births happening among Black American women.
Twenty twenty four was the very first year that whites

(30:13):
had more children on average per woman than Blacks did
in this country. The numbers in twenty twenty five, sorry
so twenty twenty six rather this year so far, that
number is wildly high. It is. It's an average of
one point five to five for white women and one
point four to four for Black women. And then drop
off of Black women on how many kids they have

(30:34):
is down nearly double digits every single years of percentage. Right, So,
in twenty twenty, in January and February twenty twenty five,
black women gave birth to seventy six thousand children in
this country. In twenty January and February twenty twenty six,
it was seventy thousand, down nearly ten percent. The black
The percentage of Black children being born in this country

(30:55):
is usually frown thirteen and a half to fourteen percent.
It will be below twelve percent by next year by
twenty twenty seven, and could by the end of the
decade be as low as ten percent. That's a dramatic,
dramatic drop in the percentages, and that's really one of
the bigger groups that has led to an overall population everybody.
But their decline is larger than any other group in

(31:18):
this country, and no one's talking about it. Is a
true cultural phenomenon happening right now.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
Why is that happening?

Speaker 6 (31:24):
Ryan A great question. A lot of people talk about abortion.
It's not abortion. Abortion was obviously way more easily more
accessible before road being overturned. It's two things. A ninety
percent reduction in team pregnancy. Team pregnancy when I was
growing up in the nineties was not super common, but
it was common, you know, you could see it in
a lot of places. Team pregnancy is declined more than

(31:44):
ninety percent. Actually, it was more common for a woman
between fifteen and nineteen to have a child than a
woman between twenty and twenty four to have a child
back in the nineties. It is now far less common.
It almost never happens. The second thing is is the
growth in college apple patients and women of black women
going to college. Nothing delays pregnancy and child bearing more

(32:05):
than college for women, and the amount of Black women
who go to college is substantially larger than has ever been.
So those are two big culture phenomens. Also, you know,
having a child by accident is rarer and rarer in
this country.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
You really only we only have one minute left, Ryan.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
The data that I saw was women in their thirties
are having almost all the babies now relative to past
Have we oversold from a data perspective, women on abandoning
having kids when they're in their twenties. And also you
mentioned teenagers, And it's just a math equation, right, once
you get to your thirties, it's harder to get to
two point one.

Speaker 6 (32:42):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, you have fewer children, and you have
them and you have them later on the life. Absolutely.
You know, Megan McCain's a friend of mine. She always
says women need to take their fertility as well as
serious as they take their job. And that's that is
a you know, that's the truth. You're not rarely are
you a celebrity who has the first kid forty five
years old. If you want to have children, you should

(33:02):
plan for that early and try to have it as
early as you possibly can in order to make sure
you have as many as you want. The number that
they want none that they're having is very different. People
want more than they're actually having.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Ryan. One last quick thing, what are you hitting on
the podcast next? What's the next episode going to be?

Speaker 6 (33:16):
Well, I'm doing the whole episode. This just came out
is about this number and the number on from Monday show.
Is that im Maria Salazar her long record of advocating
for Earleegal aliens and her so called Dignity Act that
she has been pushing.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Oh, you're going to take a two by four to
the Dignity Act. That's going to be great listening this weekend.
Everybody go check that one out, Ryan Gardusky, It's a
numbers game. Listen to it. Ryan, thanks so much.

Speaker 6 (33:39):
Thank you.

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(35:17):
as we head into the weekend, big story ongoing, the
US eron talks in Pakistan schedule to begin on Saturday,
Artemis two, going to land off the coast of San Diego.
That is the week long plus moon navigation that took
place starting last week. But we didn't really react to

(35:42):
what we talked with. Our good buddy Ryan Gerdeski, who
is also a part of the Clay and Buck podcast network,
told us, but I do think it's worth here. As
we died into our three having a little bit of
discussion about it, I was jotting down notes because this
has been a widely discussed in some circles story, but

(36:05):
by and large it's mostly getting ignored. The United States
fertility rate has fallen, according to the most recent data,
to one point five children per women per woman, and
that is relatively easy to explain because the math is
not crazy complicated. Women need to average two point one

(36:28):
children in order to exceed replacement level. Again, the math
on this is not crazy complicated, and that is not occurring,
and it's not just happening in the United States. It
is collapsing all around the world at many different elite
Western civilization countries, whether it is Japan, which has South Korea,

(36:53):
whether it is Italy, and now obviously the United States, wherever,
and certainly much of Europe, if you look at France,
and if you look at at what's happening in England,
all these different countries with great histories of civilization that
have basic human rights, the population is collapsing. And I
don't know if this is ever going to reverse, but

(37:15):
if it does not, then humanity starts to decline in
population buck really, really fast. China is a great example
of this, where they're saying by the end of this century,
the Chinese population is going to go from around one
point four billion ish I believe where it is right now,

(37:36):
to about six hundred and fifty seven hundred million. In
other words, before the end of this century, China is
going to have half the population that it does right now.
There's reading a story this morning. Japan is having a
huge issue with just abandoned homes in Japan right now,
huge numbers of homes because the population has collapsed to
such an extent.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
They're just abandoned. Nobody lives there.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
The government will actually basically give you title to these
homes to be able to live there.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Is this alice.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Should we be talking about this more as a real
significant issue and whether or how we fix it?

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Well, yes, it's a hugely significant issue, and there's a
lot of factors that all come together, and it's really
a pretty new phenomenon in human and human history to
have both so many women entering the workforce, delaying child
child bearing these very well off societies in the West
and including democracies in the East like Japan and South

(38:40):
Korea where people aren't having enough kids. That's all very real. Elon,
who is certainly a guy who sees the future well
recognizes this is I think the biggest challenge that humanity faces.
The good news is there is a solution to it,
and the solution is actually quite fun in fact, in fact,
and not only fun. I mean, there's of course that

(39:01):
part of it, but it's also very rewarding. And being
a dad is like my favorite thing ever, as I'm
sure it is for Uklay three times over. Being a
dad is the absolute great at being a mom, I'm sure.
I can't spit. I can't speak to it. You know,
I can't identify as a as a mom, but I'm
sure that's the same thing. You know, what I think

(39:22):
is gonna actually be increasingly playing a role in this.
There's already some data. You've seen a little bits of
this here and there. GLP drugs are interesting, very helpful
because once you start taking that sweet sweet sauce from
ozempic or terms of peptide or whatever, you drop those

(39:44):
thirty or forty pounds, you're sleeping better, you're feeling better,
you're looking better. You might as well just throwing a
little berry white in the background. Can't get enough, you
love baby. You know, it starts really moving in group.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
People are gonna get more frisky as they lose weight
on the gl piece. Because this is funny. Body positivity
was a big thing for what ten years. You know,
they putting people in spandex who shouldn't be in spandex
like doing you know, all sorts of body movement, and
they're like, hey, I feel great about being morbidly obese.

(40:16):
And I was like, I don't know, that doesn't seem
like a great thing. Body positivity is vanished and as
these GLP ones are becoming more and more affordable, people
are dropping weight at a significant level. That's an interesting
theory and it's going to make them in the mind
of buck sex well, you know, they're more frisky. There's
actually a chemistry behind it too. For the guys out there.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
If your estrogen levels get too high your estra diol,
then your libido tends to you know, if you have
low t and high estrogen. It's all about balance. By
the way, you need estrogen actually as a guy. But
if your estrogen level gets high relatives to your testosterone level,
it'll affect libido and mood pretty drastically. And so because

(41:01):
we also have a t a testosterone crisis in the West. Yah,
people haven't really figured out yet. I think part of
it is just it's dietary. It's the toxic masculinity hate
that the men have been getting. There's a lot of
things that come together there too. It's not a single
factor analysis you can do, but Clay biochemically, you are

(41:22):
more likely to want to get frisky if you are
at a healthier weight, is the bottom line, male and female.
So glps are the most important health revolution of the
twenty first century in my opinion, and also I think
you're gonna help with the baby boom. There could be
something of an ozepic baby boom if you will, because.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
They're not fantastic. Here's my concern. I think that by.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
The way you respect the barrier very right, Berry White,
I mean, if you're if you're in the baby Magan
mood right, Barry Whites, which you got to throw off.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Very very very very positive.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
I would say, here's my concern, and this is it
almost is just a math equation. Just make it very
logical if the average woman, and I believe I'm correct
in this is.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
So let's start with point one.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
We would like to have children in marriage right in
an ideal world. So I tell my kids, get married,
have as many babies as you can. Be a good dad,
but you need to get married, right, So you want
a dad and the mom'm both present. If we are
having incredibly declining rates of marriage, and we are also

(42:32):
simultaneously seeing marriage beginning for women, that I'm focusing on
women here because women have babies. We understand that biologically. Here,
we're not a left wing show. If women are not
getting married until they're in their thirties, and this is
now becoming the standard. Right the average man is over thirty,
the average woman increasingly is basically thirty years old.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
The math equation on.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
This book just gets hard, and I we need to
have more women on talking about this but these because
then inevitably it's.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Just like, well, you're a guy, you don't.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
It's way harder for women to have babies in their
thirties than it is in their twenties. And if we
are both simultaneously creating a world where the highest educated,
most wealthy among us are not getting married until they're
in their thirties, then you just get into a mathematical
equation right where it takes longer than you expect. You're

(43:27):
thirty three when you have your first baby. The babies
are especially first babies as you've just learned, buck very
changing to your lifestyle, and then you're like, okay, we
got to figure out do we have the time now
to have baby number two?

Speaker 3 (43:41):
It takes the time. I just think the math on this.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
When you don't get married until after thirty on average,
I think there are a lot of people that would
be open to having baby two, baby three, baby one
that don't get in a position where the math adds
up because a lot of women, look, when you get
into your upper thirties, what is it a jerry? This
is crazy, But it's called all the geriatric pregnancy once

(44:06):
you hit thirty five.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Thirty five, which doesn't feel very old.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Way, that is officially medically, that is not a point
of contention. That is not a derogatory thing. That is
it is considered medically a geriatric pregnancy from thirty five.
So do you know here my wife had a geriatric pregnancy.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
So this is I know because my assistant Katie, who
has a couple of different babies, she was like, I
couldn't believe it. They called me a jeriactic pregnant woman
because she was thirty five. I think when she had
her second baby. I think it's just a math equation.
And I think a lot of women out there, and
I don't know if it's going to happen, are going
to have to decide, Hey, what's the most important thing

(44:46):
to me? Is it having a baby or is it
getting promoted to mid tier management in a job that
frankly isn't that desirable of a job. And I think
we have sold this again. People are gonna get mad
at me over this. I think we have sold a
lot of people a bill of goods that your success

(45:07):
in a major multinational corporation defines you more than your
success as a parent. And I think you can speak
to this now that you're a dad. I can certainly
speak to it as a dad. Like success in life
is great in professional career, but it pales in comparison
to being a parent.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
This is like a whole different show we're doing now,
but I guess I'll just lean into it and a
whole different so just in terms of how much content
and discussion there can be about this stuff. One thing
that I've seen from my female peers in New York City,
I meaning girls who I grew up with are my age.
A lot of them I think feel very They felt
a little lied to by the culture that professional success

(45:47):
at some level would make them desirable mates. We've kind
of run that experiment, and the truth is the guy
working as a gas station attendant and the CEO of
the Fortune one hundred company kind of looking for a
lot of the same things. It's and it doesn't equate

(46:08):
with being VP of the marketing firm. They don't care's
the point it doesn't actually affect your marketability the same
way as it does in the dating marketplace. By the way,
people can argue me on this, all the data supports this.
I was single a lot in New York City. I've
seen a lot. I understand how these dynamics play out,

(46:29):
no matter whether but what I was referring to, By
the way, there's data that shows that whether you're making
like fifty thousand dollars a year or you know, five
million dollars a year, the top three professions that it's
not that they don't want. People want educated you know,
they want an educated wife. They want something. But in
terms of career stuff nurse, pediatrician, school teacher, black guys,

(46:53):
white guys, Hispanic go to that connectiview issue.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
There is all that would be a good mom. This
is nurtural.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
You think a good m would have, yes, and so
women who sacrifice this is like the women that I
went to Amerus with who went into investment banking, which
has just horrendous and really abusive hours in your twenties
which you exchange for money. It's not worth it to
gain thirty pounds as a woman in your twenties and
have your hair start to fall out, fallout from stress

(47:20):
and anxiety and trying to do all this stuff because
you know you're gonna make like a slightly bigger bonus
than if you took the job where you're actually doing
something you want to do. And I think a lot
of women have been lied to about that. Men will
make those tripe. By the way, Jordan Peterson's been hitting
this for years and years. He's totally right. Men will
make these trade offs. Like the guys listening to us
who do the crazy like Arctic fishing thing off of

(47:43):
Alaska and they make you know, eighty grand in the
six week season.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
I'm making up the numbers when I get knocked into
the ocean and die. Men making but they might freeze
to death in the oh yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
They're playing with like big harpoons and hooks and stuff
and captain a hab stuff. They do that knowing that
they come home and they're a you know, they're a
more appealing provider. They got more money in the bank,
all this sort of stuff. The economic incentives in mating
are not the same for men and women, as the
bottom line, and women have been largely now now there

(48:13):
are gonna be some guys who call in, who watch
MS now and who are Beata Malts, are like, I
want a provider as well. I'm not saying you don't
want a woman who has a job. I'm saying that
people who sacrificed life for job, who are women oftentimes,
because remember the timelines are different, they look back at
this now and they're like, no one told me. No
one told me that mortgaging my twenties and deep into

(48:34):
my thirties so that I could be on a super
aggressive career track had real consequences for me that the
men don't have. We can have kids in our sixties.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
This is the key.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
You can be a guy and say I want to
work ninety hours a week in my twenties and thirties,
and you can make put yourself in a position where
you're making a lot of money. And then at forty
five you can decide, hey, you know what, I want
to get married? And there are tons of from frankly,
from twenty five to you know thirty five, Your old women,

(49:05):
you saw it all the time.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
My d my dating options once I hit thirty five
were more available than in my twenties, like by like
an order of magnitude.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
And so it is a biology is real. And I
think again, when you don't get married until your thirties,
the math on this. I'm not surprised, honestly, because I
think the fulfillment you decide, hey, I had one your
thirty six, thirty seven two may or may not happen.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
And I do think it's a it's a major issue.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Going forward because the most educated, successful societies are having
the least amount of children, and that does not seem good.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
And by the way, the wealthiest societies and.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
By way, they're importing a lot of people from societies
where they're not educated and they're having a lot of kids.
And there are social costs that come with that too,
because now you're creating a massive welfare state and there's
there's probably problems with that. So anyway, say we got
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Speaker 4 (51:11):
Right, Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Clay, you're gonna
have to explain this to me on the flip side. Okay,
but I'm gonna get to this now. This just popped
up in my feed. I learned about the sports media
from you because I didn't. I'd pay no attention to it,
know nothing about it. This is from a comedian, Peter Ravello.
I just think this is kind of fun we could
have on a Friday. He did this on the on
the Tonight Show on NBC. But this is a little
bit he did on sports talk radio, which you used

(51:34):
to do. Play eighteen.

Speaker 8 (51:35):
I'm going to therapy and guys run from blue collar
New York guys. They don't really do therapy. This is
what they do. They call up sports talk radio. That's
how they get it out. Vinnie's calling about the Yankees,
but it's not really about the Yankees. He calls up,
He's like, Mike, what's going on? Yankees doing it this year? Also,

(51:57):
you haven't get said you have a stare at the
moon and wonder if the Jets says staring at that
same moon.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
Clay, you used to do sports talk radio. Is it
kind of like this for some guys?

Speaker 3 (52:14):
This is so perfect.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Sports are so many men's emotional outlet. Right if you
see a guy screaming at the television and trust me,
I've been there a lot. It's not always just about
what's going on on the screen. And Rush has a
fantastic take on this. The team pulled this after we
were joking and sharing this clip. We'll play it for

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was listening. She says that jeriactic pregnancy. She just texted
me she was listening to the show.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Buck.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Now they're starting to move on from jeriactic pregnancy because
so many women were I think rocked at the age
of thirty five by hearing that they were a jeriactic pregnancy.
They now call it in many places, Buck, this is
advanced maternal age or AMA to try to make women
less stunned. I think by the concept of a jeria

(54:12):
and I totally disagree with this. I think that they
should let like people should know. You shouldn't because it's
a biological reality. This isn't about feelings. This is about
with each passing year after thirty five, your risk of
complications goes up, your chances of getting pregnant goes down,
your chance of bringing the baby full term goes down.
All of the people women need to note. My female

(54:34):
friends that I grew up with. Like I said, in
New York, so many of them were just lied to
about this stuff, lied to by the culture. Go be
a girl boss. You have plenty of time. You have
plenty of time.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
The guys are partying, you know, Go go to tuloom, eat, pray,
love your way through it. Now. I understand this may
be a very specific thing to people in New York, LA, DC, Boston, Chicago,
but that's not the good time in all those places.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
I think it's very common for highly educated women. They
are told that they can have it all, and some,
to be fair, are able to manage all of it
better than others. But if you don't find the right
person to your point, like you're hanging out with guys
at twenty five and thirty and thirty three and thirty
four that can be able to do the fancy vacations

(55:26):
and still have the high end success. But those guys
might decide at forty five, hey, i'm gonna get married,
i'm gonna settle down, I'm gonna have kids, and that
option is available to them, and you suddenly look around.
You're thirty nine years old, you're in middle management. Maybe
you're making a decent salary, but I don't think it's
that fulfilling. And I think a lot of women have

(55:46):
been sold and then they look around and they the
thirty nine year old guy doesn't feel the same pressure
that the thirty nine year old woman does.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
And here's the other.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Reality, Buck, it's way harder for women to date young right,
way harder for thirty nine year old woman to find.
First of all, men or morons in their twenties oftentimes
and aren't that serious. So it's hard to find. Like,
let's say you're thirty nine and you want to date
a twenty eight year old. Thirty nine year old guy
can date a lot of twenty eight year olds. Most
twenty eight year old guys are not going to seriously

(56:16):
date a thirty nine year old woman to stay with.
So the math on this is different. We got a
we want to play this rush cut because you played
a funny clip as we went to break of how
male sports talker radio is often.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
Before we get to the rush cut, though, I mean,
have you had guys call in to like Clay, I
just want to say, I love what's going on with Auburn.
They're doing great, and you know, my wife and I
are having problems like did you ever have to doctor
phill the situation because we thought you were there to
do sports analysis, but really someone just wanted to call
into chat.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Look this this has to do with during COVID, And
I'm not claiming that sports talker radio is saving the world,
far from it. But during co COVID March April May
June twenty twenty, I was doing nationwide sports talker radio
for Fox Sports Radio, leading into Dan Patrick and Colin Cowherd,

(57:11):
and sports shutdown. Sports shutdowns didn't exist. For those of
you who have forgotten, I know a lot of people
imagine doing three hours a day of sports talker radio
March April May June of twenty twenty. To a large extent,
my job then, Buck, I really mean this was to
be a therapist for people who are otherwise sports fans,

(57:32):
because a lot of people didn't get the opportunity to
just sit at home and eat Cheetos and watch Netflix.
A lot of guys, especially early in the morning, are
up on the road, they're driving, and sports is their
escape from the serious things in life. Right, you got
a wife who might be sick or not very happy
with you. You got a mom and dad who might be aging.

(57:54):
Sports is your escape, it is your sanity, and a
lot of it is I mean, I'm tellingelling you a
lot of it is a emotional connection, which.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Is not now. I want to go back and listen
to old Clay Travis shows just to hear some guy
call in like, well, you.

Speaker 9 (58:10):
Know, I love Ohio State so much, and like they're
not playing and play tell me a story, you know,
just like Clay tell me it's going to be okay.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
I'm telling you. You go back and you listen to
a lot of those March, April, May, and June shows.
A lot of it was therapy for guys that were
busting their ass and didn't have sports to be able
to escape and the world's falling down around them, and
they still got to be in that truck and they
got to deliver that beer to a gas station, or
they got to still be, you know, showing up at
their jobs when everybody the higher end your job was

(58:43):
you just slept in, right, You're not waking up at
six am. How many remember when like everybody was getting
up at like ten am in the morning. They started
to look at the data and nobody was waking up
early in the morning. Who had, you know, working from home.
Things changed enormously and a lot of people didn't get
that opportunity and still had to go and work.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
No matter what, it's.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
Very important being able to separate yourself from just the
rudimentary routine that you're in on a day to day basis,
whether it's prayer, meditation. I'm actually doing yoga with carry
after this yoga sports. I find video games me elon
and I I find video games are a super easy

(59:26):
way to kind of what does your wife about video games?
I try not to play them when I feel like I.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Women hate women hate men.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Playing video games sports like they may not love you
watching sports.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
They really hate.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Walking in I'm talking about like twenties and thirties, and
I try to, like slyly sort of just turn it off,
like just checking to see if it still works, you know.
But as a general rule, women do not find it
attractive for men to play video and we do it.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
I'm like, when I'm like changing diapers and cleaning the kitchen,
I get wifey walking around, you know, spandex and feeling
great when she catches a little too much video games
going on all of a sudden, Wifey's like triple Xcel sweatshirt,
like Missus doubtfire style out there. It's just it's amazing
how that happens the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Young men, and I know we have some young men
listening just have this idea that you know, they're gonna
have a girlfriend and she's gonna be incredibly good looking
and she's gonna love playing Call of Duty with him.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Right, Like there's this there's this young male fantasy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
It's like we're just gonna we're just gonna be like
fighting World War two battles and then when we're tired
of fighting World War two battles on Call of Duty,
we're gonna make out and it's gonna be that's probably.
And they sell them, right, they sell them on this
idea because there's a couple of pretty girls, like what
was the Olivia Munn back in the days, Like I
love video games and Star Wars and I'm gonna dress

(01:00:53):
up like Princess Leigh and we're just gonna play this.

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
Like all the all the Maxim magazine models and the
heyday of Maxim Maga. Seeing they would do some little
interview and they're just like, I like a guy with
a little bit of a beer belly that I can
hug and cuddle. It's like, sure you do, Sure you do,
Old of the bikini model, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Absolutely, Rush coming back to this cliff when you shared
that comedian's take. What was the comedian's name? By the way,
should we give him credit that we get to give
the credit again for it. I'll pull it up right now.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Peter Peter Ravello doing his routine on the Now I
follow him because, like I just I thought that was
a really funny routine. He's got some other funny bits too,
sports talker. This is one good thing about Instagram. By
the way, comedians have just taken off on the reels function.
If you find a couple of funny cuts, like, it's
been phenomenal for them. But so that comedian talking about

(01:01:48):
sports talk radio callers. Rush obviously, as many of you know,
was huge sports fan, was involved in sports for much
of his career of a variety of different perspective.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
Is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
In fact, there was talk for a while that Rush
was going to buy his own team because of the
success he had with this radio program.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
But here is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Rush talking about when he worked for the Kansas City
Royals back in the day. And what sports teams did
and meant to people. I thought this was really interesting,
well done, pulled by the staff. This is from twenty seventeen,
I believe cut nineteen one.

Speaker 7 (01:02:24):
Thing about sports fandom. I had a sociologist from Harvard
once tell me that the great thing about sports and
I've never forgotten this, folks. I was working for Kansady
Royals winter meetings one year in Scottsdale, Arizona. We had
this Harvard sociologist and I settle. My first reaction, are
you kidding me? We've got some ivy leaguer coming down

(01:02:46):
here trying to tell us added techniques on marketing our teams, and.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:02:52):
So I went, well, it was mandatory. I went and
the guy said something that was actually one of those
things that when he said it, yeah, absolutely wish you
could have thought of it yourself, but you didn't. He said,
the beauty of sports. Now I remember all this is
in the context of us who were in marketing and

(01:03:14):
sales trying to expand the number of people visit the
ballpark or watch on TV, and ways to exploit their fandom.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
He said, the unique.

Speaker 7 (01:03:24):
Thing about sports is the one thing you can invest
total passion without consequence. He said, try that with a woman,
or and there were some women who looked at him,
said try that with a man. And what he meant
by that was your team may lose and they may

(01:03:46):
disappoint you, but your team will never try to take
half of what you've got. Your team will never divorce you,
team will never reject you. Your team will never unless
you throw a beer on a player, and they'll never
kick you out of the place. But when interpersonal relationships
all that everybody their first time they get heart and
break or hurt, they're reserved after that. They don't want

(01:04:08):
that to happen again, and so they do not invest
their passion totally because there's consequence when you can and
this is the definition of uber fandom invest total passion
without consequence.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
It's really kind of fascinating, and I mean, I think again,
there are women who are sports fans. You know, twenty
five percent of sports fandom, but for most diehard sports
fans is male. And it is really kind of interesting
to think through that. And many of you may be
in your relationships with your dad, or your brothers or
your best friends. A huge portion of the conversations that

(01:04:49):
I have with the men in my family is sports related, right,
The boys in my family still sports related. It's a
form of love language for men that is not defined
in that way. And I thought the comedian on the
Foot on a funny side of it making that point
and then rush on a more serious side kind of
deconstructing the psychology behind it does make sense.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
Well, it's important for people to be able to have
conversations that share any kind of a common ground, which
I know you this is why. And I have to
take credit for this because it's true. It's an observation
about Clay and he admits it. He straight up trusts
you and likes you more. If you're an SEC football fan,
He's like, oh, I can give you the keys to
my car. I can. You're like, you're a good dude
or gal, You're a good person. You like SEC football.

(01:05:32):
But being able to find common ground with people that
you can share is very powerful and it reminds me
of I feel like I used to think that small
talk was people. There's a lot of people saying I
don't do small talk or small talks waste of time.
Small talk is actually just about establishing the energy and
the exchange between two people. It's kind of like, Hey,

(01:05:55):
I'm here, I'm a friendly and I'm hoping you're good,
and we're all good, and it's putting every ease right.
Small talk is not about the exchange of information. It's
the exchange of energy that comes from it, or the intent,
if you will, of the exchange, which is, hey, I'm
happy to see you, you're happy to see me. I
wish you well, you wish me well. And we're talking

(01:06:16):
about the weather because people don't really care to talk
about the weather. But the point is establishing that commonality.
And I see that a lot with the people who
are sports ball fans.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
And by the way, you know what, that commonality often
is lost in now phones because it used to be
that you would have conversations with strangers more now what
most of us do, and I do this too, is
if you're standing in a line, or if you're engaged in,
you know, some activity, so many people look down at

(01:06:47):
their phones, and so you dial out of the circumstances
and surroundings around you, and your human interaction has now
been translated into the phone. We've got a funny clip,
somewhat funny. It's good for me from Kamala Harris that
we will play those out that we will play to

(01:07:07):
close out the week for all of you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Sports Play's gonna spike the football early on his way
out this weekend. We'll see if any of.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
You are angry about anything that has been said during
the course of the week as we get ready for
the final segment. Just a reminder, Buck Sexton is the
person that you're upset with.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
He's the way if you if.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Any women out there are angry over the discussion about
birth rates and everything, Buck is the one that you're
mad at. Just a reminder and now you can take
us into the break.

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