Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Apr 16 2026

Politics of Envy 

Buck Sexton delivers an extended and highly critical assessment of New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani and Governor Kathy Hochul. He argues that Mamdani’s proposed policies—including a $30 million, government-run grocery store and new luxury “pied-à-terre” taxes on properties valued over $5 million—reflect economic ignorance and Marxist class warfare. Buck contends these policies will worsen the city’s affordability crisis, drive investment out of New York, and accelerate population flight to states like Florida, Texas, and Tennessee. He frames Mamdani’s agenda as punishment of perceived “class enemies” rather than serious solutions to housing costs, taxation, or supply constraints created by overregulation and union-dominated construction markets. 

The hour also addresses a tragic national security story involving the killing of a Department of Homeland Security employee by an individual who should not have been in the country. Buck connects the incident to broader failures in border enforcement and immigration policy, arguing it represents yet another preventable crime linked to lax enforcement and progressive governance. He further references political fallout surrounding Congressman Eric Swalwell, suggesting legal and political consequences loom following his resignation and ongoing scrutiny.

Ryan's Homeland PAC 

An interview with political data analyst Ryan Girdusky (host of It’s a Numbers Game), who breaks down the sudden collapse of Eric Swalwell’s California gubernatorial campaign. Buck and Girdusky describe Swalwell’s exit as one of the fastest political implosions in modern politics and analyze how his former support is splintering among Democratic contenders such as Tom Steyer and local California officials. They explain how California’s top‑two primary system could theoretically allow Republicans to lock Democrats out of the general election—but only if GOP candidates aggressively consolidate independent voters, a task Girdusky says remains extremely difficult.

The conversation then pivots to national polling and President Donald Trump’s approval numbers, particularly in the context of the ongoing Iran blockade. Girdusky acknowledges Trump’s polling dip but notes that Republican support has stabilized rather than collapsed, avoiding the kind of freefall seen during past administrations. He emphasizes that economic issues—especially tax refunds, take‑home pay, and “no tax on tips” policies—matter far more to voters than foreign policy and argues that Republicans should relentlessly campaign on economic improvements rather than geopolitical conflicts.

Immigration becomes a dominant theme as Girdusky announces the launch of Homeland PAC, a new political action committee designed to defend Republicans who oppose amnesty and to primary GOP lawmakers who support it. Buck strongly endorses this strategy and follows with a detailed critique of recent House Republicans who voted with Democrats to extend Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for Haitian migrants—status originally granted in 2010 and repeatedly renewed. Buck argues that TPS has become de facto permanent immigration, undermining the rule of law, and sharply criticizes both Democrats and Republicans who support extensions as engaging in backdoor amnesty.

Hold Politicians Accountable

Buck pushes back on the common political phrase “a nation of immigrants,” arguing it oversimplifies American history and is frequently used to justify unchecked legal and illegal immigration. He calls for slower, more selective legal immigration, reduced chain migration, and stricter enforcement, including reforms to asylum abuse and visa programs such as H‑1B. Buck expresses cautious confidence in DHS Secretary Markwayne Mullin but warns Republicans against adopting Democratic language that blurs enforcement priorities.

Eclipse Guy on Artemis II Awe

NASA’s Artemis II mission and the renewed push for human space exploration. Buck enters the conversation as a skeptic, questioning the significance of returning to the Moon, while producer Greg passionately explains why Artemis II matters as a technological, cultural, and strategic stepping stone toward Mars and long‑term human expansion beyond Earth. The discussion covers innovation, national ambition, SpaceX’s role in reshaping space travel, and the importance of maintaining American leadership in exploration and engineering.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
So what does Kami mom Donni, mam don mom Donnie.
It's not that easy to say kwame mom Danmi mom
don me. Oh gosh, is a tongue twister. Not easy
to say, what does he have in store for the
city of New York? Whereas you know, I still have
family that lives there, and so I am very sympathetic

(00:25):
to all of you, especially our wo R listeners, who
are in the Greater New York area and have to
deal with the consequences of some of the worst governance
in the entire country, some of the highest taxes, the
greatest dysfunction, and there's no sign of any of it
getting any better. And this is something that as a

(00:46):
more general rule, and this is applicable to dealing with
Democrats anywhere. So whether you live in Manhattan or Montana,
this is something to keep in mind. Democrats do not
learn the lessons that you, as a rap person learn
from decisions from policy. They don't come away from Oh,

(01:06):
this was a massive failure. This was a giant boondoggle.
This was huge waste, fraud and abuse people suffered because
of this comma, Maybe we should do something different. Their
mindset is always we needed to do more of it.
The reason we didn't get the outcome that we wanted,

(01:28):
the reason we didn't get to the utopian place, the
place of perfection, the place of Oh, everybody has all
the money they need, and everybody is totally equal, and
there's no one who feels left out, and there's no resentment,
and there's no envy. And that doesn't sound like reality,
does it? But doesn't. That's what they're going for. That's
why they're commies. This is the vision of the future

(01:52):
that they think they can construct for all of the
rest of us, if only they have enough power. And
that's the key. The problem is never the idea is bad.
The problem is they had insufficient authority over you. Another
way of saying power, insufficient authority to achieve the end state.

(02:13):
And one version of this, or one variant of this,
is they did not have enough of your money to
get done what needed to be done. And another a
corollary of this is they have never taken enough of
your money. It's never enough because there could always be
more brilliant, humanitarian, equitable things that they could do with

(02:39):
your cash that you, of course won't do because you're
a fat cat. You were one of the you're one
of the elite. And many of you were saying, buck,
you know, I made fifty sixty seventy grand a year.
What are you talking about. Yeah, but you're not looking
for handouts. You're not down with this Democrat welfareism and
everything else. So you're you're a problem and you are

(03:00):
a cow to be milked like all of the rest
of us. You're not some illegal who showed up here,
who's getting on benefits as fast as they can, defrauding
the taxpayer and not contributing. No, no, no, you you
want autonomy, You want to contribute, You want to do things,
And does the government ever thank you? Now, let's speak

(03:20):
to New Yorkers for a second. Does the State of
New York thank you for your high taxes? Do you
feel thanked? If anything, I think they are outraged every
time they take money from you. And I went through
this myself, so I speak of that which I know
they feel like. You should thank them because they didn't

(03:42):
turn you upside down and fully empty out your pockets.
You are supposed to have a form of economic Stockholm
syndrome in New York. You are to thank your economic
captors for leaving you with some of the crumbs from
the cake that you bake. And once you understand that mentality,

(04:04):
once you have a full grasp and understanding of the
mindset of the people who are pushing this stuff, who
are demanding this stuff, then you're never surprised. Then it
all lines up and you can see it coming a
mile away. And with that, I give you Commie Mom.

(04:25):
Donnie talking about a new luxury tax on properties play
cuts six.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
When I ran for mayor, I said I was going
to tax the rich. Well, today we're taxing the rich.
I'm thrilled to announce who secured a pea tear tax,
the first in New York's history. This is an annual
fee on luxury property is worth more than five million
dollars whose owners do not live full time in the city,
like for this penthouse, which hetch On CEO Ken Griffin
bought for two hundred and thirty eight million dollars. This

(04:54):
peer to tear tax is specifically designed for the richest
of the rich, those restore their wealth in New York
City real estate, but who don't actually live here. Most
of the time these units are sitting empty since again
they don't actually live here. This is a fundamentally unfair system.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
That hurts working in yours.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Now it's coming to an end. I believe everyone has
a role to play in contributing to our city, and
some a little bit more than others.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
This is moronic. He does not understand, He does not
get why this is a bad idea. I truly believe
that because he governs and he became the mayor of
New York off of feel goodism for people who are ignorant, unaccountable,

(05:41):
and don't want to face reality. They want to create
some perception. They want this utopia future that they'll never achieve. But,
like I said, their inability to achieve. And this is
what's so important. Wherever you are Oregon, Georgia, Arizona, Maine,
anywhere and everywhere in between. When democrats fail, it's your fault.

(06:07):
It's your fault, don't you see. You didn't give them
enough money, you didn't give them enough power. You are
the weak link in the chain. They say, They don't
ever want to sit there and look at their idiotic
ideas and the history of failure of those ideas. We've
got mom.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Donnie saying he's going to open a government funded grocery
store that's gonna cost thirty million dollars and take.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Three years to build. Does anyone hear this? You don't
know if you should laugh or cry. That's crazy. But
it's all about the idea. It's all about pushing this forward.
It's saying, see, I am soaking the rich. And this
is the other part of it as well. The politics

(06:56):
of envy are not about math. You just had tax
day yesterday. You just had to deal with this many
of you. I had to write a big check IRS
just sucking money out of my bank account. The politics
of envy are not about math, meaning they will do
these things. And this was true of Obama's through Abiden.

(07:18):
This is the Democrats really understanding how they view this stuff.
They would rather try to soak the rich. It's very
hard to do so, which we'll talk about in a second,
but they would rather target the rich and have less
revenue over time, then promote pro growth policies and have

(07:39):
more revenue because if that more revenue means people doing well,
continue to do well and even do better, that's unacceptable.
It is about tearing them down. It is about blaming them.
It's the emotional appeal of this to people in New York.
Otherwise you'd sit there and say, hey, why is how

(08:00):
so expensive? Gee, I don't know. Maybe because of insane
regulations the City of New York has, Maybe because the
unions drive up the costs of all all construction in
ways that are just incomprehensible. Maybe it's because the tax
climate is such that developers are having to make all
kinds of concessions and deals just to get things done,

(08:23):
to build more. It's a mess. And the people telling you,
in this case Mamdani, but this is true in La,
this is true in New York City, this is true
all over the country, in any urban center. Really, the
people telling you it's because the rich don't pay enough.
They've created the environment that makes it all so expensive.

(08:44):
The people like Mamdanni, with his silver tongued nonsense, they
promise you that they will address these problems and hope
you don't notice they are the cause of the problem.
And this is where all this blame shifting and understanding
the mentality of these people is so powerful and is
so important, because otherwise you would say, okay, let's get

(09:05):
to this piaa terret tax. For a secondier, does he
think it's it's very specifically targeted, he says, at homes
over five million dollars people don't live in. Does he
think that there's going to be some downstream effective this
has he considered that people. First of all, if you
buy a very expensive obviously a very expensive home, if

(09:26):
you buy it in New York City, there's five million
dollar homes everywhere, as you know. I mean, that's like
a in Manhattan that's a nice two or three bedroom apartment,
standard standard three bedroom, part of five million bucks in Manhattan.
That's that's not a There are other states we're a
five million dollar home. You know, if you're in Nebraska,
five million dollar homes going to have like a bowling alley,

(09:49):
it's going to have a private pond you can water
ski on. I mean, you know, you're talking about really
probably twelve to sixteen thousand square feet right in New
York City it's a three bedroom apartment. That's how expensive
it's gotten there now. But he's saying this is going
to help people. Some of the best residents you can
have are people who don't use any of your services

(10:11):
at all, aren't there that much, and are already paying taxes,
have already put a lot of money into the economy, right,
So this might have the effect of people buying fewer
of these five million dollar homes. This might have the
effect of people saying, fine, I'll try to sell it.

(10:32):
But then also your other buyers recognize that they're going
to be targets for this too, and so they start
putting their money in other places. I got to tell you,
a five million dollar house down here in South Florida.
It's a nice house. It's not a crazy. Nice house
won't get you on the water in most places. That's
how tight the market has gotten here now. And I

(10:52):
mean South Florida pretty broadly, right, I'm just talking about
Miami and Naples and some of the fanciest places Palm Beach.
Palm Beach, you can't even get five million dollars to
get you like a glorified out house somewhere. It's crazy.
So it's gotten so expensive the money is going to
move elsewhere. And you might say, well, why do we

(11:13):
care and everything else? Well, because the very decision making
of someone like a mom Donnie is gonna make all
this stuff worse. This is what I think you have
to remember. It's it's not that they're offering trade offs.
It's that they're doing things that exacerbate the thing that

(11:33):
they claim they are fixing. Right, It'd be one thing
if they said, hey, you know, I'm we're going to
increase We're gonna have way more doctors to increase the
supply of doctors in New York City, but we're gonna
have to raise some taxes for that. I'm just coming
up with something on the fly here. You could say, well, look,

(11:54):
you're gonna have to raise taxes a lot, and this
program is it even gonna but you would at least
theoretically have more. So maybe that's a good thing for mom, Donnie.
Capping rent, putting these wealth taxes, and that's exactly what
this is. Putting these things in place, will make the
affordability crisis worse, will make the long term fiscal projections

(12:15):
of New York City worse. And this is again that
key and he knows it, and he doesn't care, and
he still wants to do it. It is about punishing your
perceived class enemies. It is about every person who lives
in New York channeling, who is frustrated about costs, who

(12:36):
is frustrated about the economics situation, instead of being angry
at the bureaucracy and the high taxes there, which is
a very reasonable position, thinking, yeah, if only Ken Griffin
paid more in taxes, I could afford to send my
kids to that Catholic school or that religious school in
my neighborhood. It's Ken Griffin's fault. It's not Ken Griffin's fault.

(12:59):
This is idiotic. In fact, he's a job creator who's
bought a lot of properties and moving a lot of
cash around and creating a lot of a lot of
actual wealth. But at the same time, you can see
now why it never gets better with these people. You
can see why after de Blasio to Adams, you know,
Adams was we should appreciate him, I guess more than

(13:22):
we did at some level, because while he was incompetent,
he wasn't he wasn't nefarious, He wasn't intentionally ruining New
York City. He just wasn't a very good mayor. We
are now back to, for ideological reasons, Mamdani intentionally ruining
New York. He thinks he's saving it, of course, but

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Speaker 4 (14:48):
Looking for normal in a world of Crazy Clay in
Buck have your back all right, second hour of play
and Buck kicks off right now.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Our buddy Ryan grid Dust joins us. It's a Numbers Game,
is his podcast, and it has numbers rocketing up the charts.
My friends, the more you guys want to listen, or
rather the more you listen, the more you love it
because you learn political insights, you learn things that people
don't know out there, because we brought in Ryan to
be our guy who looks at the data, separates the

(15:19):
signal from the noise. It's a numbers Game is that
podcast and the Clay on Buck network. You definitely want
to check that out, mister Kurdusky. Always a pleasure to
have you on, sir, Thanks for making the.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
Time, Thank you for having me on.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Let's let's dive into this if you would, if you
would for me, Bryan, the what happens now as you
see it in the California governor's race with the Swallwell.
First off, would you agree that that the demolition of
small Swallwell was the fastest, most effective crushing of a

(15:52):
political future we've ever seen in the shortest period of time.
Maybe there's somebody else who comes to mind, let me know,
and then what happens now among those Democrat candidates. We
got these Republicans like Steve Hilton, who we had on
because I think a lot of eyes because of this,
you know, Swallow in a sense has gotten even more
attention on the governor's race because that's obviously a big

(16:12):
part of why he was on the radar in the
first place. So walk us through this. What happens in
your mind?

Speaker 5 (16:18):
Well, yes, so Slowell's, I mean Swallow's demise was extremely fast.
I mean even Anthony Wiener was able to hold on
for a longer periods of time. And I thought, honestly
Slalo was going to stay in the governor's race no
matter what. I guess losing all of his supporters was
too much for his ego to handle. And it was
the biggest whisper in Washington. You see, everyone had heard
stories at Slalell for a very long time. So it's

(16:39):
not surprising Swallowell's support has been splintered now among a
lot of different candidates. Beck Sera is now gaining a
lot of support. There's another candidate who's the San Jose
mayor who's gained a little bit of his support and
obviously Tom Seyer, who's spending a gajillion dollars to become
the governor, has got a lot of support. Here's the
problem for Republicans face right now. Republicans in the Emerson

(17:00):
Paul are the first and second leading candidate. If whoever
comes to the top two goes on to the general election,
I mean they will lock out the Democrats out of
the governorship and one of the Republicans become governor. The
problem is is of the undecided voters who are left,
the smallest pool of undecided voters are Republicans. Republicans ninety
percent know who they're voting for. There's only ten percent

(17:22):
left versus about a quarter of Democrats and a quarter
of Independents. For a Republican to kind of milk out
whatever juice they can, they really need to slice into
what a third of the independent.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Vote that's left.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
That's going to be kind of difficult. In the last
two governors races, Republicans got a on forty forty one
percent of the vote in California. There's maybe eight points
left to be generous left for the two leading Republican candidates.
The rest are going to go to Democrats. If it's
divided equally, which probably is not going to happen, then
they are going to take the lock of the Democrat.

(17:56):
Aside from that, I see probably either a stop or
you know, maybe a Beck Sarah coming in second place.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
We'll see though, so you're pretty look, we would love
it if our friend Steve Hilton could pull this off,
but it sounds like it's a really overwhelming favorite that
it will be a Democrat even with it, and maybe
it makes it. Do you buy by the way that
the Swallwell push out demolition, whatever you want to call it,

(18:25):
was because at some level he made things such a
mess for the Democrats by the numbers or was the
timing more coincidental? The women just were sick of seeing
his face on TV and the media realized he's not
a protected one anymore.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
I think that no one took him seriously until he
was leading in all the polls and all the unions
are rallying around him, and I think a number of
women were like, Wow, he really can't be governor. I
think that I don't think that anyone took him as
seriously as that he was going to be the next
governor until the polls shot up in his favor. Now
his name, by like will appear on the ball they
can't take that off, so there'll be some vote that
will go with Saw while just be because his name

(19:00):
will be on the in the print. I don't think
it was like this inside coordinated effect, because if that
was true, they would have done it before his name
was printed on the ballot to get, you know, to
stop anyone from kind of voting for him by accident.
Even so, I don't believe it was an inside job.
I think the women were coming forward. I know people
who have come forward on different occasions for different things,
and it's less politically planned than likely Hton. Hilton is

(19:23):
the most likely to make it to a general election.
The question is does Bianco maybe get three or four
more points in the primary to join him in that
general election. I really think that that's really the big
question and where that number goes. So, I mean, it
has to really be perfect for the Republicans to lock
up the Democrats.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Now talk to me about how Trump is doing, and
obviously that will affect Republican's fortunes tremendously in the midterms,
or I would think they would. With this Iran situation,
continuing to now it's ongoing. We're not blowing up stuff.
We say that he might blow up more stuff. We've
got this blockade in place in the Strait. It does

(20:03):
look like Iran is somewhat cornered right now on this. Yeah,
I know CNN and others want to tell everybody that
Trump is bleeding support and it's a disaster and everything else.
But is that the case? Are we really seeing that?
Or if things stay pretty status quo on this and
oil prices don't go to one hundred and twenty dollars
a barrel or something, is this not going to matter

(20:26):
all that much in the fall. How do you see that?

Speaker 5 (20:30):
Well, Trump's numbers have fallen. I mean, but the good
thing for Republicans is they've kind of plateaued around in
the mid to high thirties. Not where you want to be,
not for the midterm elections for sure, But we haven't
seen another drop like It wasn't like the Bush years
where all of a sudden he went to the high twenties.
They've kind of stayed between the mid and the high thirties.
A lot of coalition around Trump that's fallen, apart are

(20:52):
people who make less than fifty thousand dollars a year,
young people and Latinos, and there's a lot of crossover
among those three groups really have led support. The one
good thing is is that among older people there hasn't
been as much bleeding. What I think right now Republicans
should really be doing is talking about who's getting cash
rebates and their taxes because of the new tax law,

(21:13):
especially workers who get those tax on tips very popular
and some people have told me that it's like a
life changing amount of money that they've gotten back. So
I would be campaigning right now on the economy and
talking about the economy. The economy really hinges on everything.
People don't like the foreign policy, not because they think
that Iran's going to win or not because they're rooting
for Iran, because they feel like it's a distraction from
the economy. It really all goes back to how is

(21:36):
the economy doing? And they look at the jobs, the
job numbers not being terrific overall last month was pretty
good though. They look at the wage growth, they look
at the inflation, and they say, where is what you promise?
It's all really going down to the economy and if
you can kind of make this miracle of the economy
come back from the first term.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
And now you have an announcement for this audience that
I wanted to give you the opportunity to tell everybody
about because it certainly ties into a critical issue of
the moment. What have you got cooking? What do you
got cooking? Ryan?

Speaker 5 (22:05):
So I launched a new pack, a new superPAC called
Homeland Pack. Can go to homeland pack dot com. And
basically what I'm doing now after decades of Republicans promising
strong borders and immigration enforcement, they have broken their promises
time and time again. And we've seen now with Maria
Salazar the latest bill to bring amnesty to illegal aliens.
And so this pack was created to one defend Republicans

(22:27):
who are really good on immigration, and two to defeat
Republicans and primaries are really bad. There are millions of
dollars swirling around from special interest groups, from big corporations
to promote amnesty, to promote cheap labor. I'm going to
do the opposite. I'm going to do it with you know,
hopefully some big donors will come my way, but also
from grassroots donors the way I did with the seventeen
seventy six Project Pack. I want to do with Homeland
Pack and make sure we defeat these Republicans who are

(22:50):
supporting amnesty. We can't afford an amnesty, not even Salazar's
quote unquote skinny amnesty. Will all come down to citizenship
on a massive level, and we will be in a
situation like we are in California. We can't afford anywhere amnesty.
So Homelandpact dot Com will go out specifically only about immigration,
defending Republicans w or a good immigration and beating them

(23:11):
who are bad on immigration.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Speaking about immigration, and you mentioned Tom Steyer before, who
I like to tell everybody Tom Steyer is an inspiration
because it's a reminder to all Americans that you two
can become a billionaire even if you have no wisdom,
no personality, and no redeeming quality in your politics whatsoever.

(23:33):
So there's that he's really he's a climate change wackado,
which is easy to be easy when you're flying around
on private jets and everything else. But his immigration policy,
as it would be for the governor of California if
you were to become that I read this and I
thought to myself, is this too crazy even for California,

(23:53):
or how does the Democrat Party message this? And it
was you know what I'm talking about. He's put out
this new immigration blueprint for Californich. Obviously it's a federal issue,
and I look at this. I'm saying, this guy, Tom
Steyer is is nuts. Like no lessons have been learned
by Democrats at all on immigration. It feels like they
just want to double down on all the failures of
the past.

Speaker 5 (24:14):
And the biggest irony is Tom Steyer's portfolio. Financial portfolio
is a lot on immigration because he works with the
private prisons who apprehend and deport illegal immigrants. So everything
about him is utterly fraudulent. Yeah, he makes a lot
of money because of deporting illegal aliens.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Can I pause you for just to give you some
of the things so his for his gubernatorial campaign, we
have abolish ice, put ice in jail, and all cooperation
with federal law enforcement. A legal defense fund, which I
think is taxpayer funded, sent out to make sure that
deportations are effectively impossible. So like California is going to

(24:54):
have its own defense fund and legalizing like reinstating DACA
and DAPPA. Like the guys the governor are not the president,
but he's as far left on immigration as I think
anybody in the Democrat Party is right now.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
Yeah, well, he's trying to put out a flank. He
can't do like any of those things, Like I mean,
I guess he can create a public fund in California.
Aside from that, he can't do a single solitary one
of these promises. And I think his investment portfolio point
of Fox's was two hundred and fifty million dollars He's
made off of the detention of illegal immigrants, So he
has a financial incentive not even to do any of

(25:30):
these things. He's He's become wealthy than almost every you know,
the ninety nine point nine percent of Americans because they're
deporting illegal aliens. Yeah, this is listen. He's trying to
corner and make sure no one can get further left
from him on an issue that galvanizes not just a
group of Hispanics and the ethnic lobby, but also angry
white liberals who have made hating Ice equal to hating

(25:53):
the president. And that's really what he's trying to signal
to is I will be your ultimate advocate, and I'm
going to do the most radical things against the federal
gu I mean, he might as well be saying, you know,
he's going to do what they didn't ruby Ridge with
attacking federal agents. It doesn't work out in your favor.
You have no ability to do any of those things.
But it's not about like having a coherent message of
what you can do. It's all about trust trying to

(26:13):
fight Trump.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
What's next for it's a numbers game. You've already got
something in the docket or you're still figuring out what
numbers do you want to frunch?

Speaker 5 (26:22):
A deep dive on the Virginia election. Why is Abigail
Spamberger's numbers crashing? Who is leaving her coalition? Remember, Virginia
has local state legislative elections in twenty twenty seven and
the Democrats have a one c majority in the state Senate.
So can they be a referendum on Abagail Spamberger? How
is it looking for the referendum? Why is it so close?

(26:42):
Where can this happen? And it's going to be a
great episode, So I'm looking forward to that coming out.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Just real quick on that? Is it something? Has it
become clear to enough voters in Virginia? You think that
Spamberger ran as like, Hey, I'm just like a mom
and a moderate, and then as soon as she was
in power, like I am a Marxist lunatic who wants
to take your guns and raise your taxes.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
Well, the interesting thing is Spamberg is losing support from
both low income voters and high income voters. And we're
seeing with the referendum on redistricting a forty one point
flip away from Spamberger from she won independence by seventeen
points right now the referendum is losing on independence by
twenty four points, a tremendous forty one point shift among

(27:26):
that group in just six months. I think, I think
her presidential ambitions are really coming to a close, very
very quickly in this administration.

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Speaker 1 (28:56):
Preset Clay and Buck on the iHeart app. Welcome back
in here to Clay and Buck. You know we're just
talking a few minutes ago about my friend Ryan Gerdusky
of our podcast network and his pack that is going
to try to primary. People always ask, you know, how
can you how can you do anything about these Republicans
betraying us and all this. Well, you can primary them.

(29:18):
You can primary Republicans who don't keep their word. That's
a very good place to start. In fact, one of
the worst things that I think the GOP Party faithful do,
I'm politically speaking, is just get lazy and just vote
for this incumbent year well not year after year, but
election after election. And then they complain and then they

(29:40):
see them on Fox News and they go, oh, I'll
still vote for that guy because he's on Fox News.
Sometimes I go, well, but just because he says the
right things on Fox maybe gets decent ratings when he
does or she does, depends, doesn't mean that this is
the person you want representing your state or your district
in the United State Congress. Right. I mean, we can

(30:01):
understand the difference in that, I would think, But sure
enough GOP primary voters can be quite a bit on
the lazy side about this stuff. But I bring you
this on the immigration front. This is Bill Malujin from
Fox News reporting six House Republicans have voted with Democrats

(30:23):
to advance, and this was yesterday to advance Representative Ayana
Presley her temporary protected status for Haitian's extension for three
more years. The motion passed two nineteen to two nine.
It will go down to a final House vote. Guys,

(30:44):
check on this one of the final House voters. Because
this was from yesterday, this is today. I assume at
some point the six House GOP members to vote with
Democrats were Representative Don Bacon of Nebraska. This is every
radio host nightmare when they only have the state with
the initials, and it's like a little bit of a

(31:04):
It's like a high school, not even high school, a
grade school social studies test. Can I get all the Florida?
I can get right fl Representative Maria Salazar Florida, Carlos
him Andez, Florida, Brian Fitzpatrick Pennsylvania, Mike Lawler, New York,
Nicole Mellyatakis, New York. I'm a little surprised to see

(31:28):
Representative Mela attackus on there. Huh interesting, Okay, Anyway, there's
also a Kevin Kyleie who's a California independent, but caucuses
with Republicans. He voted for Democrats. Let's talk about this
issue for a second, and then we can talk about
more of keeping order on our side on the immigration

(31:52):
issue and not letting this stuff slip away, and not
letting betrayals happen that will go politically unpunished. The idea
that Haitians should get their protected status continued is on
its face absurd. You'll notice that the statute or the

(32:13):
statutory authority here is temporary protected status, temporary protected status
as in it does not last forever. And yet temporary
protected status. Haitians have been here in this country since
I want to guess, say it out loud if you want,

(32:36):
January two thy and ten, January three hundred and fifty
thousand people. Three hundred and fifty thousand Haitians have had
their temporary protected status extended over sixteen years. I think
we're going to have to change this. We can't call

(32:58):
it TPS or temporary detective status because it is clearly
not being treated as temporary. DHS announced a termination of
this for August third of twenty twenty five, but a
court stayed that terminating. So the courts won't let us
end it. Obviously, some activists judge the Democrats and even

(33:19):
some Republicans want to extend it. Why this is not
supposed to be a backdoor immigration policy, But that's exactly
what it has been treated as as in we call
it temporary, but then they stay forever. Same kind of
game they play with asylum. Oh, they're just applying for asylum.

(33:40):
If they don't get it, they'll leave. They know that's
not true. When they don't get asylum, they just disappear
into the American interior. They don't send they don't show
up at their hearings. It is a backdoor, illegal way
to get permanent status in America. People say, oh, it's
legal when they apply for asylum, not when they don't
show up for hearings, which a huge percentage of them don't.

(34:02):
But how can we have a country when so much
when half of the voters roughly, maybe it's less than half,
call it forty five percent, but certainly one of the
two major political parties and a slew of NGOs, including
taxpayer enabled if not funded ERNGIA, a slew of left

(34:24):
wing activist groups, and they all want and of course
the judges, a lot of left wing judges. They want
to make it impossible to enforce immigration law. This can
you can go back to Plato's The Republic on this
is a law that is not enforced really a law?
Does it? At what point does it cease to be
a law? I think we've seen this now tested many

(34:48):
times over on immigration and this extension of temporary protected status. No,
the American people were very nice, very nice to allow
three one hundred and fifty thousand Haitians to stay here
for sixteen years. Haiti has been an independent country. I
believe it's the second oldest democracy in the Western Hemisphere.

(35:11):
Haiti has been an independent country for a long time,
and they got to fix their own problems. So the
extension of this clearly some of these Republicans, I would think,
must have some Haitian diaspora community or TPS diaspora community
in their district, and so this is pure politics for them.

(35:32):
I would guess that's certainly the case for some of
the New York representative that I mentioned. But now this
brings me to something else we've had on the show,
and I'm going to give him the benefit of the
doubt on this one, but we have had on the
show and enjoy talking to him. Former Senator now DHS
Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen, who has seemed like a good guy.

(35:55):
I do not agree with some of his commentary about
Ran Paul's attack. Just to be clear, I think that
some of that was just over the line nasty. Now
he's allowed, he has the first amendment, he's allowed to
say it, but I think it was kind of jerk
stuff to say. But put that aside for a second.
Mark Wayne, I think aligns with this show on a

(36:16):
vast majority of issues, and that is what is most
important to me for a DHS secretary. That and competency.
I think Christy Nome had alignment because she just does
whatever she was trying to do whatever Trump told her
to do, which is fine, did not have competency and
of course had a lot of vulnerabilities, shall we say,

(36:39):
politically and otherwise that came to the forefront. So I'm
just going to say the DHS Secretary Mark Waynemullen went
on Fox News and he said this, and I want
to push a little bit, a little bit on this
play eleven.

Speaker 6 (36:53):
To take advantage of the United States generosity. But the
problem is is that we want immigration we want legal immigration,
people that want to make the country stronger. We're a
nation of immigrants, we understand the right kind.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
I don't like that we're a nation of immigrants thing.
It's really not true.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
We're a nation of Americans actually, I mean, there are
immigrants here who have joined the American family over time.
But this idea that because here's what this. If we're
a nation of immigrants, do we become something else if
we don't keep bringing in immigrants. I think we've had
too much immigration in recient decades. I think the numbers
bear that out quite clearly. And I think that it

(37:31):
puts major strain on the forces, the societal, political, economic,
and historic forces that tie us together in what the
ancient Greeks would have called the polity right, a political
and ideological union, some sense of a cohesive thing that
is America and that binds together the American people. And

(37:54):
we know that we've in Europe, they've been forced to
really think about this. If you have some country like
Sweden with ten million Swedes, well, if you put five
million Iraqis, which they didn't have that many, but if
you put five million Iraqis in a country with ten
million Swedes. It's a different country. The place changes, right,
so that people have had to see play out in

(38:16):
real time, they can understand that we've had far too
much illegal immigration. We've probably had far too much legal immigration.
Oh no, well, I believe we have. People can disagree
on that, but on the illegal side, and I think
they'd be wrong for disagreeing with That's okay. On the
illegal side. There's no question that we have been inundated.
We have been swamped with illegal crossings and overstays and

(38:39):
other evasions of our immigration laws in this country. So
we want legal immigration. Yes, as a general matter, we
want legal immigration. The Secretary of DHS is correct in
that should we have a conversation about having less legal
immigration at this point in America? Yes, we really should
get to a This is just people who are contributing

(39:03):
and making America better and more prosperous, safer, smarter, all
of those things, and we better be really sure that
that's what we're getting. And that means a slower and
more vetted process. It means a lot less chain migration.
I was just hearing from somebody the other day. Oh,
you know, in my country, we uh we my parents

(39:26):
or one of my parents want to like a green
card lottery thing, and now the whole family of like
eight people is being sponsored to come here. So just
understand when they say, oh, there's a green card lottery
with I don't know what the number is, you know,
in the tens of thousands of people. Well, but but
there's this whole effort then to bring the whole family too.
And that's often the case with people, whether it's they're

(39:48):
here for a whole range of different temporary lawful reasons.
H one B visus is another example of this. Why
will H one be visa holders take less pay than
people doing the same work because they will and we
know that. Why are they more malleable to the wishes

(40:13):
of management hence why they are preferable for some unscrupulous
American businesses in hiring. Well, it is because their status
is tied to that visa, which means it's harder for
them to move around. People will say, oh, no, they can, no,
it is harder, But also they can get to the
front of the green card line and then if they

(40:35):
get that, then they can start to try to sponsor
more of their family to come in, which is a
huge benefit. So yeah, getting paid fifteen hund twenty percent
under market to do clerical work for a few years.
That feels a whole lot more attractive to somebody from
a third world country if they think they can stay
forever and then bring their whole family in here. This

(40:55):
is why the immigration issue is I think the most
important issue in the country right now. It should be
the most important issue to voters, and the Trump administration
has done some very good things on this, but the
job is unfinished, to be sure, not even close to finished.
So the DHS secretary, we're a nation of immigrants. That

(41:18):
is that is really a non truth. It's not untrue,
but it is a non truth, or is an incomplete
truth to say about this country, and it plays right
into the rhetoric of Democrats. They're the ones that I've
been saying this for so long. We're a nation of immigrants. No, really,
we're a nation of founders, of pioneers, of builders, of

(41:40):
people who came here without the promise of endless welfare benefits,
without a DEI infrastructure, ready to claim victimhood for them
at the hands of America, even though they came to
America because they have a skin color that falls into
the protected class is of DEI here. It's a very

(42:03):
different thing to show up in America today than it
was to show up in nineteen twenty or eighteen twenty
or seventeen twenty for that matter. It's a very different
thing that people face, and the treating it as similar
treating a voyage on a wooden ship that ends up
with people landing at Plymouth Rock where they face death,

(42:24):
the entire voyage from disease, from shipwreck, from any number
of things, as similar to I scrape together two hundred
bucks to get on a cheap international flight. Now I'm
in America. There's an insult to our intelligence that occurs
with that. So we should not be going around saying
we're a nation of immigrants. We're a nation that allows

(42:46):
some immigrants and has had waves of immigration, but historically
has also had stops in the immigration waves to allow
Americans to be America, or rather America to be of Americans.
That is a thing that happens in our history as well.
So I just I want clarity on that one. I

(43:07):
think Mark Wayne is aligned. I think he's I think
he's gonna do a good job. But we shouldn't be
going around on TV as Republicans in this moment, I
think saying we're a nation of immigrants might as well say, oh,
illegals do the jobs Americans won't do, another thing that
they love to say. Or immigrants have a lower crime
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Speaker 1 (45:22):
Welcome back in here, Clay and Buck. We'll have some
of the cuts here from that we did. We didn't
play from that impromptu press conference, if you will, Trump
taking a whole range of questions outside of the White
House with the chopper, chopper going to the background, get

(45:44):
through the chopper, and we have a bunch of you
sending in all kinds of talkbacks and thoughts, and we'll
take some of your calls too on where this is
all going. But look at you know that I'm I
come from a background of somebody who who saw things
not going well put it mildly up close and personal

(46:05):
in both Iraq and Afghanistan Democrat and Republican administrations. I
might add, so anytime we're talking about war, I just
approach it with a I don't approach it with a
pessimistic view. I just it's very much a trust but
verify situation for me, because if we're going to put
our people in harm's way, if we're going to be

(46:26):
using the military to take life, thousands of lives abroad,
we should be asking questions and be darn short's the
right way. I have had my moments of questioning and
even some skepticism of some of what's gone on with
Trump and Iran. But if this embargo, I'm sorry, blockade.

(46:50):
If this blockade holds of just Iran in the Strait
and so Iran is no longer using that as leverage,
it becomes our greatest point of leverage against Iran. If
that holds, and their economy I would assume, is going
to start to spiral. And then you add to that

(47:11):
perhaps additional air strikes, not clear on what they would be.
I wonder how long the Iranians can hold on with that.
I think that they had assumed that there may be.
And again when I say the Iranians, it was true,
it is true what that caller said before. We're talking
about the Iranian government are our beef, the world's beef,

(47:32):
but America specifically, our beef with the end Israel. The
Iranians is with the security services, the government, the military.
It's not with someone who lives in a modest house
in Isfahan or something, and it's just trying to go
teach Sunday well, not Sunday school, but teach well maybe,

(47:54):
but go to you know, teach grammar schools. What I
meant to say that that's not our problem, that's not
our beef. We're not trying to hurt people who have
had no effect on Iranian policy and in many cases
want the regime gone. Of course, as we know, we
saw that with those protests that we're out in the streets.
But this is let's go to cut twenty six here
for a second. Trump is sounding very positive here on

(48:19):
this deal and the prospect for a deal Play twenty six,
extending the deep fire with Iran.

Speaker 7 (48:26):
With Iran, we're doing very well. I can tell you.
Maybe it'll happen before that. I'm not sure it needs
to be extended. So defending Iran wants to make a deal,
and we're dealing very nicely with them. We've got to
have no nuclear weapons, and we do. That's a big factor.
And they're willing to do things today that they weren't

(48:49):
willing to do two months ago.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
So he is straight up telling us that there is
progress in the negotiations in terms of concessions the Iranians
are are willing to make. Now. This could all be
part of the Iranian positioning, the Iranian play for time strategy.
But I think that the reason Trump is out there
saying this right now is because he knows and this

(49:14):
is what I'm seeing too. If this situation with the
straight holds, this is a one that the pressure valve
is now really one way. The issues of the straight
up horror moves have become far more powerful for the
Iranian regime than they are for us in terms of
the way to either sit this out or turn up

(49:37):
the heat whatever it may be, or wait this out.
I mean. So that's where we are with the Iran deal.
We'll see if it actually ends up happening. And Trump
also has said that he would go to Pakistan. This
was some news that was just broken a few minutes ago.
This is twenty seven. He says he would go to
Pakistan to complete a deal if one is ready to
be done.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
I would.

Speaker 7 (50:01):
I would go to Pakistan. Pakistan has been great.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
They've been so good.

Speaker 7 (50:05):
Islamabad, I'll be I might go. Yeah, if the deal
is signed in Islamabad, I might go. The field Marshals
has been great, the Prime Minister has been really great
in Pakistan.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
So I beg and if he gets a deal, maybe
Trump tower Islamabad. But you know that better than anybody.
It's a beautiful tower. He'd build the most beautiful Uh.
I've never been to Islamabad. I hear it's not great,
but uh yeah. Trump is saying that he would go
himself because he would recognize, we would all recognize the

(50:37):
historic nature of that kind of an agreement, and he
certainly wants to be there. He understands, he understands all
the implications of getting this to that point. But I
am I am more optimistic now than I I still
think there's going to be an extension of the ceasefire,
to be clear, but I'm more optimistic that at the
end of this, Trump is going to get something closer

(50:58):
what he wants than I was before because of the
of the change, the change about that we've been discussing today.
Now the Artemis crew, the Artemist two crew is talking
about their their Moon mission. I I'm not a big
like producer Greg. I think Clay also, Clay has more

(51:20):
of the and I mean this in a good way,
the childlike wonder when it comes to space exploration and
astro like. He loves all that stuff. And I am
a little more like Okay, I'm glad we're doing big
things again. I'm glad, Uh, I'm glad that we are
also really in the early stages of building out true

(51:43):
space exploration infrastructure. Now space x is a huge piece
of that equation. But getting us to go on this
or getting this historic moon mission done, it's cool and
and uh, you know, there's there's a lot of good producer, Greg,
do you want to come on and tell tell me,
tell me why the Artemist two? Is he in studio

(52:04):
right now? Or am I catching him? I'm here, He's
not grabbing a shake check, all right, Greg Brewster, Greg,
Artemist two. They're talking about this. Why should a salty
old dog like me care that much about this mission?
Sell me on this thing.

Speaker 8 (52:19):
It's about the human exploration and what we can achieve,
the technology and the whole the whole thing coming together,
what it takes to produce something like this, I mean,
a rocket like that going to the Moon is probably

(52:40):
the most sophisticated piece of machinery, with so many different
working parts at every one time, with so many points
of failure that could happen, and the fact that they're
able to get it to put together, to go together,
and to go to the Moon in this case around
the moon and then hopefully in a few more years
actually land on the moon again. Just stretches us as people,

(53:04):
as as human as Americans, and to show that we
can do it, as regained some of the prizes.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
So here, here's okay, Priducy Greg you're doing. I mean,
I'm hoping NASA doesn't snatch you up to do comms
for them, because you are doing an excellent job explaining,
as I said, the childlike wonder that so many have
about that. But here's my thing. We've already been to
the moon. We we did this. So isn't this a
little bit like the second person to h to summit
Mount Everest? Like the first person it's oh my gosh,

(53:34):
the second person it's okay, that was hard, but we
didn't we already get there.

Speaker 8 (53:39):
Help me with that, okay, real quick. Who was the
first person to walk on the moon? Neil Armstrong? Who
was the second? I don't know, Buzz Aldrin. You don't
you've heard his name though, right?

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Yeah, of course I'm not like an astronaut hater. I'm
just not as I don't get as fired up about this.
Here's my here's my point.

Speaker 8 (53:58):
That that just because this is the second time we're
going doesn't Just because buzz Auldrum is the second person
to step foot on the moon doesn't make the accomplishment
any less important or less significant. And two more things.
This is a first step to get back to to
get to Mars. In order to do this, to get
to Mars, what Elon wants to do, what Trump wants

(54:19):
to do, what we need to be doing as a
human species, to expand ourselves beyond Earth, to stretch our
knowledge and our boundaries. Getting to the Moon is the
first step. Because the gravity is lighter, the opportunities for
mining some of the materials we need, water and other things.
It's a better place to launch from than Earth. So

(54:40):
that's the next thing. So this is all a stepping
stone to get onto Mars and beyond, to expand ourselves
into the twenty second century and beyond.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
That was really good, producer, Greg, Thank you. I'm quite
sold on the prospect of this being very exciting to people.
Thank you so much for that. So there you go. See,
when when you have it's a little like a Scully
and Molder situation, you know, if you got a little
bit of a skeptic about that, you got to bring
in the believer, and Greg is a Greg is a believer,
and in this one, I was really just being honest
with him. I wasn't. I wasn't pretending like when I

(55:14):
pretend to hate hockey just to get him and producer
Mark all fired up at me, because then they want
to throw me into the boards and pull my jersey
over my head. But yes, this, this was This is
a big, a big step for mankind. And I suppose
even though we've taken the similar step before, so that's
interesting to me. I still think, thank you, Greg, that
was great. I still think that it would be really

(55:35):
interesting for Clay and I to get down to SpaceX,
and I'd like to find a way to worked that out.
We got to reach out to Elon's team and and
see because I have heard from people who have been
down there. You know, I saw. I went and actually
met with the Secretary of War and saw some of
his team, as you guys know, at Cape Canaveral, and

(55:57):
and saw the NASA facility there and the rocky Oh
this is actually saw this rocket. I actually went and
saw the rocket. That's right, all right, I'm pretty sure
that was the one that I saw I was about
to be the one that they used. I have a
photo would be standing in front of the artem Is too.
I should have put that together before this. So yes,
I've been there. The Blue Origin facility was pretty cool,

(56:19):
but you know, I want to see the SpaceX facility.
SpaceX they're like the bad boys of space exploration, like
they're just going for it. They're doing really cool stuff.
So I want to go check that out, and that
will be something that we'll put on the radar here
for the show. I think we'll have to put that
ahead of the Greenland show, which now we don't hear

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about whatever happened to Greenland. Greenland was gonna be ours
and now it's not. So sad. I thought we'd be
able to go and check that out. I'm gonna close
out here with some call some thoughts from all of
you if you want to talk space programs, if you
want to either reiterate. I think most of you are
probably on producer Greg's wavelength that this is amazing, This
is incredible, and I do think space exploration is about

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to do incredible things or becoming more amazing as we
go along here. And I think Elon is going to
get us to Mars. We are going to become multiplanetary
in our lifetime. I do believe that. And we have
visionaries like Elon Musk who are just doing things that
are truly amazing. So that's all very very cool. I'm

(57:22):
sure a lot of you feel that way about this,
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