May 5, 2026 • 49 mins
The Deadliest Stretch
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton discuss the escalating crisis in the Strait of Hormuz, a critical global shipping route for oil and natural gas. Clay and Buck analyze how Iran-related instability is disrupting maritime traffic, reducing the number of ships passing through the region by a significant margin and contributing to elevated oil prices hovering near $100 per barrel. They emphasize that the price of oil and gas is now the most important domestic political issue, directly affecting everything from transportation costs to consumer sentiment and electoral outcomes.
A key segment features Clay proposing a bold economic solution: the U.S. government providing insurance guarantees for commercial ships traveling through the Strait of Hormuz. He argues that this would immediately restore confidence in the shipping industry, stabilize global supply chains, and potentially reduce oil prices by as much as $20 per barrel. Buck pushes back, raising concerns about crew safety, real-world risk tolerance, and whether financial guarantees can overcome fear of physical harm in a conflict zone. This debate highlights the complexity of balancing economic policy, national security, and human behavior in crisis situations.
Would You Do It?
A caller explains that traditional maritime insurers are refusing to cover ships in the region, which reinforces the seriousness of the threat and lends credibility to the idea that government intervention might be necessary to restore normal trade flow. The hosts also point out a critical long-term issue: even if ships can safely exit the Strait, many companies may refuse to send vessels back in, prolonging disruption to global energy markets.
Presidential Fitness Test
Clay and Buck discuss the return of the Presidential Fitness Test, sparking nostalgic commentary about physical fitness standards and generational differences. They also dive into humorous and off-topic discussions about dangerous jobs, maritime risks, shark attacks, and survival scenarios, tying these anecdotes back into the broader theme of risk tolerance and decision-making under uncertainty.
Is Cuba Next?
An interview with Florida House Speaker Daniel Perez, adding a major political component to the broadcast. Perez provides insight into the ongoing crisis in Cuba, describing severe economic and humanitarian conditions under the current regime, including shortages of food, energy, and healthcare. He advocates for continued U.S. pressure, sanctions, and economic restrictions, aligning with what he describes as the Trump administration’s strategy of forcing regime change through sustained pressure. The conversation also touches on U.S.–Cuba policy, Cuban American political influence, and the role of Secretary of State Marco Rubio in shaping foreign policy toward the island.
The discussion then shifts to Venezuela, where Perez describes a more optimistic trajectory following leadership changes, noting economic improvement and increased stability, but warns that the absence of clear plans for democratic elections remains a significant concern. He emphasizes that without free and fair elections, Venezuela risks reverting to authoritarian governance, underscoring broader themes of democracy, socialism, and U.S. influence in Latin America.
Domestically, the interview covers Florida redistricting and election strategy, with Perez explaining that recent map changes reflect population growth and shifting demographics rather than purely partisan goals. He highlights Florida’s economic growth, migration trends, and tax advantages as key drivers of its political momentum, while acknowledging that legal challenges to the new maps are likely. This segment ties into broader national conversations about redistricting battles, midterm election implications, and Republican electoral strategy.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome man. It is the Tuesday edition of The Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Lots of different news stories
to be following, As is always the case, President Trump
speaking right now in the Oval Office. Already, Pete Hegseth
and General Caine have had a press conference at the Pentagon.
(00:21):
We will fill you in with the absolute latest there.
Indiana and Ohio are voting in primary season, So if
you are in Indiana and or Ohio, then you need
to get out and get your votes in. President Vice
President Jade Vance traveled to Ohio to get his primary
(00:42):
votes cast this morning. Also footage of that. And by
the way, the state of Tennessee where I am, has
begun a new special session to see whether or not
they can add another Republican conceit to the Tennessee delegation
in the wake of the Louisiana Calai case which did
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away effectively with redistricting based on race. So that is underway.
Real did you see the Alitos slap down, slapdown of
the Katangi Brown Jackson. Maybe we can delay this map
thirty to Alida's like it's unconstitutional. Why would we delay it?
Because we want to have the unconstitutional map for the election. Anyway,
(01:31):
I think I was thinking we'd have some fun with
that at some point during the course of the program,
because it feels to me increasingly with every one of
these filings that basically everybody's just fed up with Katanji
Brown Jackson and it is Biden's final curse, the worst
four year administration than any of us have ever seen,
(01:51):
in my opinion, in our lives, and the lasting legacy
of it, aside from all the inflation and all of
the racial antagonism, is ultimately that we now have Kataji
Brown Jackson for the next thirty years. She's Biden's final curse. Counterpoint,
mister Clay Travis. Democrats love her. They love this. They
(02:13):
like having somebody who has the legal knowledge and skill
of your average ms now Trump deranged viewer. So they
think this is great. They think it's probably Biden's best thing.
Side note, and I probably should even bring this up.
Do you see what Kamala's numbers are looking like these days? Oh,
(02:35):
she's going to be the nominee. This is so, this
is so disappointing. This is so because because one she's
gonna be the nominee. Two You're gonna end up being
right on something which drives me completely insane. And I
just I can see this train slowly coming toward me
right now. Clay's victory dances she is going to be
the nominee because she has already begun in the campaign.
(02:56):
The numbers that continue to come out reflect that she
is subt Dantelle in the lead. Davin Newsom has already
begun to fade. Everybody was talking about how brilliant he was. Oh,
he's doing all these different podcasts. His wife is crazy.
California is a mess. I'm going to try to regain
some analytic dignity here by pointing out that I violated
(03:17):
one of my own precepts of the foundation of the
Democrat Party these days, that we learned during the Biden administration, Clay,
which is that it's not a candidate, it's a machine.
The candidate doesn't really matter. In fact, the candidate is
a figurehead for the broader Democrat you know, mechanisms to
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go into place. If I had thought about that, I
would not have made a foolish bet with you about Kamala,
because of course Kamala can be the nominee. It doesn't matter,
she's a Democrat, she's black, she's a woman, They'll make
it happen. That is. I think that is likely to
be the case, unfortunately, as much as I wish it
were not going to be the case. But I would
(04:00):
say the I think you probably sign off on this now.
The number one story going forward right now is what
is the price of oil and gas? Is that fair
to be a rough proxy on We've got record highs
in the stock market, and I don't want to play
into Democrat talking points and their obsession with the price
(04:21):
of oil and gas, but I do think it's probably
worthy of analyzing. Right now, as we speak, crude oil
futures right around one hundred dollars. They are coming down
about five percent today as this news has continued to
come out. Pete Hegseth says, the cease fire is not over.
(04:45):
We expected some churn listen to cut one. No, there
is not over.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Ultimately, this is a separated, distinct project and we expected
there would be some some churn at the beginning, which
which happened, and we said we would defend it and
defend aggressively, and we absolutely have Ron knows that and
ultimately the President's going to make a decision whether anything
were to escalate into a violation of a ceasefire.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Here's an idea, bucket. I know the White House monitors this,
and they probably have discussed it somewhat. I think there
is an argument, and I will make it, and I
believe it is actually a good argument. I think if
President Trump went out and said, the United States is
going to ensure the fair transit of the ships in
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the Strait of Horror Moves by actually giving insurance to
all of the ship owners that are on this in
the Strait of Horror Moves, let me explain what I
mean by that. That means, if your ship gets hit
and it goes under, the United States will help to
pay the one hundred million dollar value of your ship
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and cargo. And some of you're gonna say, well, I
don't like the United States taking on this obligation. I
would suggest to you that the price of oil and
gas would drop almost twenty dollars overnight if the United
States said that, and if the free flow of goods
began again in the Strait of hor Moves, which means
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the cost of US making that insurance guarantee would actually
be overwhelmingly paid for in the collapse of oil and
gas prices. I think it would be a smart strategic move.
It also then allies the United States on the side
of commerce, and I think Buck automatically sort of labels
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Iran then as the terrorist actor, because if they are
going to attack any of these ships, we have established
we want free and fair passage of them. I would
not include Iran in that guarantee right now until the
peace agreement happens, but every non rain in flagship we
can make the determination on it. We would provide insurance
(07:04):
to and free support for them to transit the straight
offour moves crazy idea, good idea or how do you
assess it? You need someone to pilot the ship, Clay,
I don't think they care that much that there's insurance.
If they're were they're going to get blown up or
shot or captain. Oh so you think I think the
pilots will go Oh, I think you don't think play
(07:26):
There was just a South Korean vessel attacked what in
the last forty eight hours. I let me put it
to you this way. If if you're the captain of
an oil tanker right now that's about to go in
there or you're like, well, Lloyd's of London has my back.
So no, Well, I think I think if your boss said, hey,
I want you to go, I think probably they go.
(07:48):
So I think the owners of this ship, your model employee, Yeah,
well I would not. The owners of the ships, I
think are concerned primarily about the safety of the physical cargo,
and I think the crew is concerned about You think
the crew. You think the crew would mutiny basically and
say we're not going. Yeah, dude, for sure, yes, Okay, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I think the seals who are piloting these they're not
like I think a lot of these guys. I think
a lot of these guys are probably going borderline and
sayings like cooling their heels in the uh there. Maybe
you have to give them hazard pay in order to
take the risk. Buck guys get on the Deadliest Catch.
(08:34):
I used to watch that show. You couldn't pay me
enough money to strap in and frigid seas and try
to drag lobster out of the ocean. If you pay
people enough money, they will basically take a risk to
do anything. Tennessee man crab, not lobster. Lobsters. The Northeastern.
Look at this, Look at this guy. Everybody you see
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this talk lobster. I don't want to be on any
ship that I could fall off, And there's no amount
of money you could pay me to go out in
cold water and try to drag in uh, try to
drag in crustaceans. All right? So what point one, Tennessee man,
stick to Cobbler. Point two. I think you are forgetting
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how much the risk factor is for people that are
Now you might say, well, it's only one ship that's attacking,
but who wants to who wants to be There's a
reason we had to have this whole anti piracy program
off of Somalia as long as we did, because they
were and everyone's seeing, what's what's the you know, the
what's the movie? Not not Captain task? Uh oh the
(09:37):
I'm the pirate now? Yeah, yeah, I'm the captain Now
we all know that line. I can't remember the name anyway,
there's a reason we have that. It's like Captain Smith
or something whatever it is, that right, Captain Phillips, I
said Smith, Captain Phillips, same idea. Look, here's what Trump
says about the ceasefire. We should we just he just
said this a few minutes ago, So you're getting the
most update of Clay's like, Eh, get some insurance, man up.
(09:58):
I think people want to go yea, I'd be a
we ensured the boats. The evil uh profit focused owners
of the boat would just say, God, I.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Hope you're out.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I hope you know, I hope everybody who works for
Clay and sports media is hearing this. He's like, sometimes
we've got to lose a few good guys to make
a buck.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
No big, I.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Gotta say it's true. It's true. As the awful boss.
I mean, you know, if if if the super Bowl,
we lose a couple of people in the super Bowl,
it happens got to be there to come in the
super Bowl. He's like, you know, a stampede here, a
stampede there. All right, this is cut thirty Trump moments ago.
Play it.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
But do they need to do to file a ceasfire.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Well you'll find out because I'll let you know. They
know what to do, and they know what to do,
and they know what not to do. More importantly, actually,
and you know they fined them in little boats with
P shooters, you know, to P shooters a little boat
we little you know why, because they don't have any
boats anymore. The navy is comprised of they call them
little boats boats and they're fast. Yeah, they're so fast
(10:55):
that that had eight of them and they're all God
and the fast. But then that fast like a missile.
A missile is slightly faster. They're all gone. So they're
looking around for little boats to try and compete with
our great navy. We have a navy that's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
We set up a blockade, as you know very well.
Not one ship couple tried and they got their engine
shut out.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
So you got ten to twenty boats going through the
straight offom moves. I think as of May fifth, it
says here, So usually it's like one hundred to one
hundred and fifty. So it's way down. So some ships
are going to so some of them are willing to
the run the risk. But this is a ninety ninety
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percent give or take drop from normal levels, so it
ain't open yet, not really, ninety percent drop is not open, right, No, no, no,
I mean, and again I'm trying to think of you
may be right that the crews are going to mutin
me and they won't go. I actually think that most
of the hang up is not as much fear of
(12:04):
bodily injury, although it's an interesting thing to think about
if the crew just says up, sorry, we're not going.
I think it's the fear of the ships themselves being
attacked and if we are sure people on those ships.
So if you're afraid of the ship being attacked, that
means that people could get shot. But Clay's really, do
(12:25):
you do you do you put on a top hat
in a monocle? Would?
Speaker 5 (12:29):
I think?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I think if you pay those Look again, if you
pay the guys and you say, hey, I don't know
what the average ship ship mate on one of these
tankers makes. Let's say you just said, hey, we got
to get this thing out, we want commerce moving. We
didn't fit. I'll give you each more fifty K to
take the risk. I think most would go. Here's the
bigger concern I have about this, Notebuck. Everybody's talking about
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the ship's leaving. My question is who's going to bring
their ship back? Because if I get my ship out
of the straight of for moves and it has been
stuck there for a couple of months, why in the
world am I gonna take my ship back in and
risk again that it could be stuck there. There's any
number of global shipping routes that they could go on.
(13:15):
So I think while the focus is and my solution
for the insurance gets those ships out and gets the
commerce moving out, I don't know who's going in. And
that's the biggest issue I think going forward. Because you
get however many hundreds couple of hundred ships are backed
up right there. You get all that out, that's good,
but it doesn't solve the issue because I'm not taking
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my ship back in there. Well, I think you're totally
right about this. There's a huge difference between I think
it's quiet enough, we can get out of here. That's
that is a risk, versus maybe we should finish our run,
come back and see how that goes. That's where that's
where crewman Clay would say, Hey, I'll take the extra
pay to get out. I'm not taking the extra pay
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to go back because I might get stuck in there
for a couple of months. And here's the other thing,
You're having to pay all of these guys probably hazard
pay while they're just sitting cooling their heels up from
a run. Waiting. You know, you look at the ship
tracking and uh, to get to get a clay and
buck show from a deadliest catch ship in like the
(14:21):
bearing straight, it would it would have to be they
would have to pay me. It would be crazy money.
You know what I'm saying. It would have it would
have to be like I don't know, it's because that
would order in order. Sorry, what particular job I wouldn't
get on a boat to run the straight for? I
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mean you have to give me like a couple of
hundred million dollars. I mean, I'm not risking I'm not
risking my life because I'm not a ship guy. But
if I were a ship guy, Like the ship guys
are crazy, right, I mean to their credit, I love this.
He's just he's just like, Oh, no big deal, guys.
Just see if the missile hits you. All Right, We'll
(15:03):
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Buck VIP email from West right out of the gate. Clay,
you told us you were going to swim Alcatraz this July.
That's only a few months away. Am I hearing your career?
(16:30):
Hearing you correctly? Are you squiggling out of it already?
Question Mark? Yes, at least he's honest. Now I'm gonna
take a couple of things here. One I have not trained. Two,
Laura is actually concerned that I might get eaten by
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a shark, and it's really kind of gotten in my
head that I might get eaten by a shark. And
Buck sharing that story about the woman doing the triathlon
getting by the shark. If there is a way she
was bitten, she wasn't eaten. Important distinction. She got bitten
by the shark off the west coast of California during
the Catalina. She didn't get eat she died. No a bite.
(17:13):
It was a little nibble, a little like, Hey, what's
going on? The shark thing is in my head and
I can't shake it. Yeah, I don't know if an
eight foot great white shark takes like a little nibble
but like she lived, she did. Like here, here is
here is my potential compromise. There is very safe. In
the US Virgin Islands. There is a one and a
(17:33):
quarter mile swim across the bay in Megan's Bay. I
used to live overlooking it. When I was down there
over the holiday, I was looking at that and I
was thinking, now, granted it's warmer, but it's still a
mile and a quarter. Uh. And I feel like I
could prove that I could swim that mile and a
quarter without being attacked by Oh I'm sorry, in your
(17:57):
bath temper in your bath temperature water under a bull sun?
Do they give you a back rub while you're doing it?
I prepostered. Of the most of the people that believed
I could not do it was about the distance more
than it was about the temperature of the water. I mean,
I was gonna be in a wetsuit, nice warm wetsuit.
This is I appreciate the call. I feel very confident
(18:19):
that I could do it, and I'm willing to do
it in a way that does not put me at
risk of being eaten by a shark. If we I'm
gonna let them play a way to do that. I'm
gonna let Tom and Tampa bail you out here. He's
on the lines, live Tom. What's going on?
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Hey, c clam buck listen. I just wanted to hitchhike
on Clay's comments about the insurance thing. There is definitely
some legs there, but I think it's the important understanding
little history. Lloyd's of London is the insurer of last resort,
as you guys know, but it's important understand some history.
(18:56):
In the three hundred and thirty seven Yearsoids of London
on the high seas ensuring vessels. This is the first
time in history, even the Yamkapour War, which you would
probably know about, Buck because of CIA, even the Yamtapur War,
Bloyds of London still insured. So for this to work,
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each loss of a tanker at the bottom of the sea,
including the cost of a tanker and assuming a three
hundred and forty five thousand barrel of oil to the
largest taker you can do, is about thirty five million dollars.
So the asterisk to Clay's idea is that the US
would literally have to take over Lloyd's position as the
(19:42):
insurer of last resort. And I don't know Clay you're
an attorney. I don't know the legal machinations of that,
but the idea has legs. But we But the problem
is Woyd, as I understand it, for the first time
in history, is refusing to ensure everybody going through there.
That is the real issue.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
What I think.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I don't think anybody's really talking about that.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
No, Look, Tom, I should have explained a little bit
more this. Yeah, you're exactly right. My idea on ensuring
is predicated on many of the current insurers are saying
they will not ensure these boats. Your math is a
good one there. I would say thirty five million dollars
for a tanker if it went to the bottom of
the sea. That's like not even what a Somali daycare
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makes from our government. So the overall cost here, my
point is, and we'll talk about this a bit more
because I do think it's an intriguing idea, the overall
cost would immediately vanish in terms of the premium on
oil and gas. We would get back far more than
we would be ensuring, in my opinion, and it would
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I think, immediately knock twenty dollars off a cost of
a barrel of oil and gas, which would overwhelmingly make
gas prices more affordable. Here makes it a net positive
for us too. The second hour of Clay and Buck
kicks off right now. We'll have some updates for you
on Tennessee redistricting battle, which is underway. Also more from
(21:11):
Trump at the White House, not just on Iran, but
on the economy. On Tariff's presidential fitness test, I hope
it's age bracketed, right because I was like, I don't
know what, I don't know. I could I pass this thing?
Right now? We got to look at this thing. I
don't want to make any promise. Believe you never did
the presidential fitness test, though I thought everybody had to
(21:33):
do this back.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
In the day.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Play my high school. If you gathered together all of
the kids who are getting wedgies, uh, and we're like,
I'm the valedictorian getting shoved in a locker. That was
my high school. Not a lot of presidential fitness tests
going on there. Uh. And let's see, we've got more
primarily in elementary school. But but I s elementary school version.
(21:56):
Oh yeah, oh, we definitely do an element yeah oh yeah,
like young kids stuff. Yeah. I've always said the best
thing that we had when I was growing up in
elementary school at St. David's in New York City was
mandatory and just hear me out. Mandatory wrestling starting in
first grade and we really they actually really taught us
and it was and then we had to wrestle. You
(22:18):
didn't have a choice. It was like part of our
pe program basically, and if you were good enough, you
had to wrestle in front of the whole school. And
it was like it was like royal rumble stuff in
the third fourth grade, and you didn't want to get punked,
Like you didn't want to look like a little you know, uh,
some kind of dancing daisy out there, so you had
to you had to be ready to throw down and
(22:39):
uh and yeah it was. It was good. And then
later on in life you're like, you basically have the
the you have the basics of grappling taught to Clay.
Can I tell you what's funny about it? Though, about
five years after I graduated talking about grammar school, they
got rid of it because parents complained that it was
too violent. So US xenials gen x millennials, early millennials,
(23:00):
we are a little more hardcore. You get a little
bit older, and all of a sudden, they're like, eh,
gen Z was like, Eh, my shoulder hurts. So I'm
just saying, gen Z, you got to you got to
toughen up a little bit. Gen X continues to save
the world, but that's a whole nother discussion. Are you
generations good? I can't. Yeah, you're the oldest millennial basically, right,
(23:21):
the oldest you can be and be considered a millennial. Yeah,
so I'm I'm people call it a zenial, like a
gen X millennial. Uh so I'm as old as you
can be. I wanted to just get this out there
because we were talking animals before crocodiles. Some of you
are like, stop it, talk about talk about taxes and
Trump and the agenda, and I hear you, and we're
going to get to that. But also some of you
are like, let's talk about animals way more popular. This
(23:44):
is what the data reflects. I guarantee you the spike
as soon as you said, like, somebody got killed by
crocodile in South Africa and there were six shoes inside.
There's not one radio that went off. Everybody's like spiked.
This is what the data reflects. Yeah, Joint Chi Okay,
this is a real thing in the news. I'm not
making this up. Clay mentioned yesterday dolphins possibly being deployed
(24:08):
by Iran. There's some news reporting on this. I'm just
bringing you the news, everybody. I don't make the news.
I report The Journal reported that Iran had threatened us
with mine laying dolphins in and read I mean, I
took a picture because I knew people were gonna think
I'm crazy. I took a picture and then I highlighted it,
which is about as good as I can do on
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my phone tech wise, and then I tweeted it out
because I'm like, things are probably not going great for
Iran if they're threatening us with dolphins and mines. But
this was a real thing. Oh so, these sick sons
of guns, like, leave the dolphins out of it. You know,
they're actually considered, I believe, one of the five most
intelligent animals on Earth when they measure animal intelligence, which
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is a tough thing to do in a lot of ways,
but one of the ways. And keep in mind killer whales.
People talk about how freakishly smart they are. They're just large,
they're just really big dolphins. They're actually technically not whales.
They're in the dolphin family. We just call them whales
because they're so large. So now think about that. And
also interesting that killer whales can kill great white sharks
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can even remove their liver, which is with like an incision.
I don't even know how the heck that happens, and
have never once in the wild, never once attacked a
human being, mistaken a human being for a seal. Gives
you a sense of the difference in intelligence between sharks, which,
to Clay's point, will sometimes mistake us for seals. At
least that's what we believe. The great white shark attacks
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are often the result of killer whales are like, no,
that's Clay, Travis, look at them, Clay in the gym lately.
You know that the great white I mean, the killer
whales are a whole other level of intelligence. But dolphins, obviously,
chimpanzees and some of the great apes they call them chimpanzees,
and then actually orangutangs are the very top of the
animal intelligence scale. Dolphins slash killer whales super high on that.
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There are people say that are freakishly smart too, which
you would not expect. Crows and ravens in the bird
family but they have a particularly high intelligence for an
animal that you wouldn't expect with given the size of
their brain. Okay, I'm getting weird here. Point is, Joint
Chiefs Chairman was asked about as about this whole dolphins thing.
(26:22):
Pete Hexeth was at the conference too, obviously, Secretary of
War cut two play it. Can you kind of clarify
these reports of Kamakazi dolphins that we've heard about. I
haven't heard the Kamakasi dolphins thing.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
It's like sharks with laser beamstress and I can't confirm
or deny whether we have Kamakazi dolphins, but I can
confirm they don't.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I can confirm that there was the Soviets at one point.
I believe we're experimenting with Kamakazi dolphins. I think that
was a thing Soviet era trying to train. Play and
here is it's two laser beams. This is from Austin
powers play three. I have one simple request, and that is.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
To have sharks with freaking laser beams attached to their heads.
Now have a deadly my cyclopedic colleague informs me that
that can't be done.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
A clue.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Remind me what I pay you people for honestly thrown
me upone here, what do we have? See this clay
doctor Evil couldn't get sharks with laser beams. I don't
think the Iranians can get dolphins with explosives attached to them.
I'm pretty confident it is probably a sign that things
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are not going great for Ron that they have no
air force, they have no military really in terms of navy,
and President Trump said today we basically wiped out all
the small boat fleet that they might have as well.
And now, according to the Wall Street Journal, and that
was a couple of days ago, they were threatening us
(27:54):
with dolphins that might have bombs on them. And this
all comes back to look mean you and I I
think are correct in saying that the price of oil
and gas right now is the number one story domestically.
Is that fair to say? I know, we got a
lot of primaries. We want you to go vote in
Indiana and Ohio. Redistricting continues to be a story, But
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in terms of how people feel, I think the number
one story is affordability. And the number one way that
people determine to a large extent, affordability is what does
it cost to fill up oil and gas tanks. And
so this is where my talking about the insurance idea
for the United States being the insurer of choice when
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it comes to the straight of four moves. I was
just looking at a map during the commercial the end
of the hour break that we had buck. Most of
these tankers right now are basically just parked off the
coast of Dubai. There are hundreds of tankers that are
just anchored off the coast of Dubai and they are
all sitting there because the risk from their perspective of
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going through the strait is too high right now. And
you think that if we changed the insurance carrier, they
would be willing to just go. I think that there
are bull I do, and I understand some people think
that's crazy, but I'm trying to look at it as
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a rational business based decision. The ship that is not
moving is costing all of these companies a substantial dollar figure,
and so if you're just parked off the coaster. So
my belief is if there were a worst case scenario removed.
And this is from a business perspective, not a life perspective,
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although I don't want anybody to die as well, but
the worst case scenario from a business perspective, Thank you
very that's very good of you. By the way, I'm
glad you said that. You know, even light them up,
Linda is like Clay, slow down, buddy. The worst case
scenario from a business perspective is ship gets attacked, it sinks,
and you had a caller who I thought did a
good job breaking it down. Cargo, what's at worth? What's
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the ship worth? And so the insurance to me, if
you knew worst case scenario, we're going to be able
to be compensated for the value of that ship right now.
My understanding, Buck, is that many insurers, as that call
just said, have notified the bank and the owners of
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these ships and said we are not going to pay
in the event that something happens to your ship. A
lot of these and I used to work on some
of these contracts. A lot of these contracts have war
clauses in them and risk clauses in them, and your
insurer will notify you and say, hey, this is a
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risk that we are not willing to take on. If
you go and something bad happens, that's on you. I
think if you told these owners, hey we will protect
you would take it. Now the challenge, so what what insurer?
What insurer? Clay hold on? I'm hearing you out on this,
but I think it's a little crazy. What insurer is
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going to ensure the boats? If they say, okay, we're insured,
they go and one of them gets blown up, No,
it's the United States. That's why. Who's going to sleep in?
Then we are publicly saying to all of these ship
owners we will ensure your boat. So if your boat
is if your boat is sunk and attacked, then the
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United States, the full faith and credit of the United
States backbenches it. My argument is that if we do that,
oil and gas prices will immediately overnight drop about twenty bucks. Yes,
but what happens when a ship gets blown up? Where
oil and gas prices go? Then what ships are? What
ships are going to want to go through after one
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of them is at the bottom of the strait. Well,
I think if we guarantee fifty minutes dollars in payment
to all of the ships, then I think a lot
of the shipowners will go. I think they'll go. Do
we have any shipowners who can verify that my buy
them off? Do we have any shipowners out there that
will verify my idea on this. Look, there are different Now.
(32:18):
My concern is if you want me to play this out, Yes,
a ship could get sunk. That's not ideal. So far,
that hasn't happened. So far, that hasn't happened. He's so
blase about this, He's like ecological disaster.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Oil everywhere the whole streets.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
The ship sink all the time. If iron sinks a ship, remember, hey,
hold on ship, ships spink all the time. I mean
I lived in the Caribbean. There's ships everywhere. I mean,
this is read read a history bookship. This isn't We're
not talking about a pleasure yacht with three spring breakers
on it.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
We're talking about you remember.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
When the cruise ship hit the coral off the coast
of Italy. It was like a four hundred million dollar ship. Yeah,
and the guy called him.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
He was like, get the back of too, you're a
ship and what are you doing.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I mean, I that was probably the worst thing that's
ever happened to a cruise ship. They're like, what, what's
the worst thing that could happen? You're more on, captain
could hit coral and sink the whole thing. I mean
I'm not counting that you don't want you don't want
one of the super Mario brothers to be the one
in charge of your ship. That's what you're not a
good idea, true. But the ship risk is is why
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I think no one is going. So I think if
we took the financial risk away, that you would go.
And honestly, if Iran then hits a ship, right, if
they attack a ship and they create an ecological disaster,
that's not good. But also even the environmentalist would then
be on the side of Trump because Trump's gonna be
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saving all the animals and Iran has just polluted the
entire the entire straight of war moves with oil and gas.
So I think we are creating a situation where Iran
is clearly the terror actor if we're saying we want
commerce to occur. Now, my concern is still once the
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ships leave, they don't go back, and that then creates
a larger issue because the whole point of the strait
existing is for people to go the whole actions. That
is kind of the whole issue, Clay, because just we
get the ships to go once that's almost like a
rescue operation. The point is they need to be willing
to come back. If they're not willing to come back,
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the strait's not open. But I think we buy ourselves
a lot of time economically if that If those ships
are able to come through, oil and gas drops twenty
bucks overnight, and we then have a full month probably
before most of those ships are completing their their transit
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and have to make a decision, Okay, where do we
go get oil and gas next? And my hope would
be that we can start to produce more oil and
g in many parts of the country. I was reading
about Venezuela right now. Things are going really well. Every
company is now flooding into Venezuela. How much more can
we increase production there? How much more can we increase
production in the United States? UAE has said we're gonna
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drop out an OPEC meeting they can produce more. That's
the story there. I'm just telling I'm trying to solve
the energy on issue in America, and I think my
insurance idea has some legs here. I wish we could
get you on like the little handheld radio that the
captains of the ships always have, and have you give
a little pep talk to all these tankers be like, look,
not all of you are gonna make it, but price
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of gas is gonna go down twenty bucks overnight if
a few of you do so. Have at it. Boys,
we got a bunch of callers who want to weigh
in on this too, because I think this is a
brilliant idea. Sometimes the line between genius and insanity, as
many people know, is a very fine one. You're like,
You're like the captain a haveb of oil tankers, Like
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iHeart app. Welcome back into Clay and Buck. First time
on the program. We are joined by Daniel Perez. He's
Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives. He's the third
Cuban American speaker of the Florida House. We have some
stuff we want to talk to speak of Perez about
right now. Thank you so much for being here, sir.
Good to have you on.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
It's my pleasure. How are you.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
We're good, So let's jump into We've got a couple
of things here. First off, we have a little bit
of foreign business, and then we want to talk to
you about some Florida business. You are Cuban American. You
are certainly tied in here as my near neighbor in
South Florida, to the Cuban American community. Right now, there's
not a lot of attention. Trump mentions it sometimes from
the White House that he's got plans for Cuba. What
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is the situation of the island and where do you
think the administration should go with this as it pertains
to Cuba.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Well, look, it might not be on the on the
national spotlight consistently, but it is down here in Miami,
and we're a diverse community down here. But obviously, as
you know, mostly Cuban Americans or Cubans that have to
leave the island, my parents included. My parents had to
leave in nineteen sixty nine. The revolution took over nineteen
fifty nine, and since then the island has been decimated
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by this regime that has taken away human rights, amongst
many other things from the people of Cuba. Where we
stand today is Cuba's at an all time low. There
is no oil, there is no energy, there is no food,
there is no health care, there is absolutely nothing on
that island. You have to think about it for a second.
For someone to be willing to get on a raft
and swim ninety miles with nothing but a compass in
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the middle of the night. How dire does the situation
have to be? And we've had we've had thousands of
people risking their lives in that exact situation for almost
one hundred years. And so where we stand here in Miami,
and I know that I speak on behalf of all
Cuban Americans, where we stand and say, look, it's time
for this regime to pick up their bag and get
the hell out of town, because that was that is
that is land that the to the Cuban people well
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before they went in there and took it away. What
Trump will do with this is up in the air.
And we have some of the greatest advocates having this
conversation on behalf of the United States and on behalf
of all Cuban Americans. And obviously that's led by Secretary
Marco Rubio, who's one of our own and was the
first Cuban Americans to be Speaker of the House in Florida.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
What do you think Marco Rubio is telling President Trump?
Obviously Secretary of State. I saw that he was also,
in addition to all the other jobs that he has,
acting as a DJ at a Miami party wedding over
the weekend. What do you think Marco Rubio is telling
President Trump right now? And what does a solution look
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like from your perspective?
Speaker 5 (39:44):
And by the way, I did see that video of
him djaying at a wedding. The man can do it
on I can't do it all. If only he can
play a little bit of quarterback, the Dolphins could use
of it.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I'd like that, no kidding.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
But look, I think the solution here has been consistent,
and that is pressure. You You have to absolutely squeeze
the neck of this monster and you have to cut
the head off the snake. It's the only way that
you can succeed. And I think that's exactly what President
Trump and Secretary of Rubio are doing. The sanctions have
to double down, the flights have to stop, the money
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going into the island has to stop. And the problem
that you have is many many Cuban Americans that are
here today say, well, I still have family there and
I still want to send resources there. And what the
regime has done and this is you know, it's it's disgusting.
But what the regime has done is they have now
replied to the United States by saying, we are going
to open up enterprise. We are going to open up
(40:38):
free market in Cuba, so that Cubans can open up
a restaurant, a store, a supermarket and actually have interstate
commerce amongst Cubans. To be quite frank, that's crap. That's
not true because the way that the Cuban government works
is in order for you to go ahead and open up,
let's say a restaurant, a certain percentage has to be
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paid into the government's pocket of profit before you can
even actually open those doors or run those doors. So
there is no free market, there is no capitalism, there
is no competition. It is all owned by one umbrella
patriarch entity that's owned by the Cuban government. And from there,
these smaller enterprises are able to quote unquote open up
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their own businesses. But that's bull crap. None of them
are actually able to have their own business. But it's
a facade that the regime has put in place in
order to appease the Americans. The problem that they have
is that the Americans led by Secretary of Rubio know
the truth, and so what I expect Secretary of Rubio
and the President to do is to continue to squeeze
the neck as tight as they can until the Cuban
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people themselves have finally realized we are done. We are
done starving, we are done having to listen to this
regime that has taken away our own freedom. It is
time to act, and hopefully that happens sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
We're speaking to Daniel Perez, Speaker of the Florida House,
something related to all this. Of course, we also have
down here in South Flowre a very large Venezuelan American population. Now,
the situation of Venezuela, mister Speaker, seems like it is
trending in the right direction. Delca Rodriguez is in charge
after the capture of Maduro. Sounds like she's at least
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playing ball with America in a way that is encouraging.
What do you see and what's that looking like for
the Venezuelan American community.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
Well, first and foremost, I think the President deserves a
lot of credit for making the tough decision, which was
the right decision, and I was taken out in Nicolas Maludu.
That was the right decision that I don't think any
other president would have had the courage to do. And
so I think that has to be mentioned first and foremost.
As far as the current state of Venezuela, Venezuela today
is in a way, way more prosperous situation than they
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were a year ago. I don't think anyone can debate that.
The Venezuelans can't debate that. I mean that they are
in a phenomenal place. Their economy is booming like never before,
and all of that credit goes to Secretary and President Trump.
Here's my concern with Venezuela. My concern with Venezuela was
a comment that was made by Delci in the last
I say seven or days when she was asked on
when is the next election to duly elect, based on
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a democratic provision, the next president of Venezuela, and her
response was, I don't know when that's going to happen.
And that's concerning because without fair and accurate and open elections,
then eventually they'll just go back to what they know best,
which is that socialist ideology that got them in this
place to begin with. That started with Ugo Chavis and
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eventually was ran by Nicolas Malulo and potentially by Delca.
Unless we have free and fair elections to eventually put
a new leader in Venezuela that can have a true
democracy and bring capitalism back to this country. I have
no doubts that Secretary Rubia and President Trump aren't going
to allow her to get away with that, and elections
will have to take place. But what I didn't like
is it was the first time that I saw her
not in line with what the American vision is. We
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care about our elections. We are so we treat our
right to vote, our civil rights to vote as such
a sacred opportunity, and in the rest of the world
they don't see it same way. Our hope is that
Venezuelans and really Delsey seize it the same way. And
I have no doubt that the President and the Secretary
are going to get her there. But that first response
was something that wasn't music to my ears.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Tell us about the new map. I know that the
Florida House and the Florida Senate have put in place
a new map that certainly is going to potentially lead
to more Republican seats. What should we know about that map,
and what do you anticipate the result of the map
will be.
Speaker 5 (44:30):
Well, so this is a map that was passed by
the House and eventually passed by the Senate and recently
signed by the governor. It was a map that was
drawn by the governor. I don't want to speak on
me after the governor's office, but they were the ones
that drew it. But I don't think this was a
map drawn on trying to give certain seats to certain
parties or certain parts of the state. I just think that,
you know, we believe, based on the recent court rulings,
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that we have an opportunity to have a conversation on redistructing,
on our mid decade redistricting, and so that's exactly what
we did. You know where that ends up. I guess
only the voters will be able to tell us how
many seats may go may go one way or another,
and we won't know that until November. But you know,
I think that we did our job. I think the
last resistricting cycle was under a census that that may
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have potentially been flawed. And uh and Florida has had
an influx of people moving here really because of the
way that we've been running our government for decades. I
think it was very easy for elected officials today that
take credit for the prosperous economy that Florida has. But
you know, we have to take this back for decades.
You have to talk about a Governor Bush, you have
to talk about a Governor Scott. Those were the ones
that kind of started putting the wheels in motion. When
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you talk about Rick Scott and the amount of jobs
that he brought into the state, that was unprecedented. We
haven't seen it since. As a matter of fact, right now,
our job our unemployer rate is going up in the
state of Florida. That never happened on the Rick Scott
and so, you know, I think that sometimes people want
to focus on that now, but I always have to
give credit to how we got here. And so now
we're in this place to where a lot of people
are moving to Florida. They want to live here. Obviously,
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our tax structure is one of the best in the country.
We have a great economy, and so people want to
be here. I think us having the conversation on redistricting
was the right one, and I applaud the governor for
drawing the map, and I'm sure there'll be plenty of
losses down the pipeline and we'll see where this ends up.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
You're ahead of the Florida house. But Buck and I
saw you most recently at the Indiana Miami game where
Indiana won the national title. You mentioned the Dolphins. Who
are you more optimistic about the Miami Hurricanes or the
Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 5 (46:26):
Well, here, I'm going to have a problem with this
question because I'm a Miami kid that went to Florida State,
and so I'm rooting for the Seminoles every day of
the week no matter what.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
All Right, well, let me start you with that whore.
Even a better question is a better question? Who is
going to win a title? First, Florida State or Miami.
Will Florida State be in the playoffs or Miami the
Dolphins be in the play I'm not even gonna ask
about Super Bowl. Poor Miami Dolphin fans. You guys are
still pining for Dan Marino.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
But who will make the playoffs first? The Dolphins or
the Seminoles.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
I'm going with the Seminoles, but damn they both stink
right now.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
I we have no hope.
Speaker 5 (47:04):
Not their team has a hole. I think the Dolphins
are gonna have a rough season, but we're hoping for
the best. You know, if Steve Ross does a great
job of owning the team and he's put some money
into the team, and hopefully he can turn it around
with the new management there. But but I'm a Semino
at Hardin. I'm a believer in Mike Norvell. I just
I love football across the board. But there's absolutely nothing
like watching college football on a Saturday morning. But it's
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better when the Seminoles are winning.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
In my opinion, I think you and Clay just became
best friends. Daniel Perez, Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives, Hey, man,
come back because we want to talk to you about
more Florida business and also as the Cuba situation unfolds.
But thanks for being here.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
Take care, guys.
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Welcome man. It is the Tuesday edition of The Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Lots of different news stories
to be following, As is always the case, President Trump
speaking right now in the Oval Office. Already, Pete Hegseth
and General Caine have had a press conference at the Pentagon.
(00:21):
We will fill you in with the absolute latest there.
Indiana and Ohio are voting in primary season, So if
you are in Indiana and or Ohio, then you need
to get out and get your votes in. President Vice
President Jade Vance traveled to Ohio to get his primary
(00:42):
votes cast this morning. Also footage of that. And by
the way, the state of Tennessee where I am, has
begun a new special session to see whether or not
they can add another Republican conceit to the Tennessee delegation
in the wake of the Louisiana Calai case which did
(01:06):
away effectively with redistricting based on race. So that is underway.
Real did you see the Alitos slap down, slapdown of
the Katangi Brown Jackson. Maybe we can delay this map
thirty to Alida's like it's unconstitutional. Why would we delay it?
Because we want to have the unconstitutional map for the election. Anyway,
(01:31):
I think I was thinking we'd have some fun with
that at some point during the course of the program,
because it feels to me increasingly with every one of
these filings that basically everybody's just fed up with Katanji
Brown Jackson and it is Biden's final curse, the worst
four year administration than any of us have ever seen,
(01:51):
in my opinion, in our lives, and the lasting legacy
of it, aside from all the inflation and all of
the racial antagonism, is ultimately that we now have Kataji
Brown Jackson for the next thirty years. She's Biden's final curse. Counterpoint,
mister Clay Travis. Democrats love her. They love this. They
(02:13):
like having somebody who has the legal knowledge and skill
of your average ms now Trump deranged viewer. So they
think this is great. They think it's probably Biden's best thing.
Side note, and I probably should even bring this up.
Do you see what Kamala's numbers are looking like these days? Oh,
(02:35):
she's going to be the nominee. This is so, this
is so disappointing. This is so because because one she's
gonna be the nominee. Two You're gonna end up being
right on something which drives me completely insane. And I
just I can see this train slowly coming toward me
right now. Clay's victory dances she is going to be
the nominee because she has already begun in the campaign.
(02:56):
The numbers that continue to come out reflect that she
is subt Dantelle in the lead. Davin Newsom has already
begun to fade. Everybody was talking about how brilliant he was. Oh,
he's doing all these different podcasts. His wife is crazy.
California is a mess. I'm going to try to regain
some analytic dignity here by pointing out that I violated
(03:17):
one of my own precepts of the foundation of the
Democrat Party these days, that we learned during the Biden administration, Clay,
which is that it's not a candidate, it's a machine.
The candidate doesn't really matter. In fact, the candidate is
a figurehead for the broader Democrat you know, mechanisms to
(03:37):
go into place. If I had thought about that, I
would not have made a foolish bet with you about Kamala,
because of course Kamala can be the nominee. It doesn't matter,
she's a Democrat, she's black, she's a woman, They'll make
it happen. That is. I think that is likely to
be the case, unfortunately, as much as I wish it
were not going to be the case. But I would
(04:00):
say the I think you probably sign off on this now.
The number one story going forward right now is what
is the price of oil and gas? Is that fair
to be a rough proxy on We've got record highs
in the stock market, and I don't want to play
into Democrat talking points and their obsession with the price
(04:21):
of oil and gas, but I do think it's probably
worthy of analyzing. Right now, as we speak, crude oil
futures right around one hundred dollars. They are coming down
about five percent today as this news has continued to
come out. Pete Hegseth says, the cease fire is not over.
(04:45):
We expected some churn listen to cut one. No, there
is not over.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Ultimately, this is a separated, distinct project and we expected
there would be some some churn at the beginning, which
which happened, and we said we would defend it and
defend aggressively, and we absolutely have Ron knows that and
ultimately the President's going to make a decision whether anything
were to escalate into a violation of a ceasefire.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Here's an idea, bucket. I know the White House monitors this,
and they probably have discussed it somewhat. I think there
is an argument, and I will make it, and I
believe it is actually a good argument. I think if
President Trump went out and said, the United States is
going to ensure the fair transit of the ships in
(05:36):
the Strait of Horror Moves by actually giving insurance to
all of the ship owners that are on this in
the Strait of Horror Moves, let me explain what I
mean by that. That means, if your ship gets hit
and it goes under, the United States will help to
pay the one hundred million dollar value of your ship
(05:58):
and cargo. And some of you're gonna say, well, I
don't like the United States taking on this obligation. I
would suggest to you that the price of oil and
gas would drop almost twenty dollars overnight if the United
States said that, and if the free flow of goods
began again in the Strait of hor Moves, which means
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the cost of US making that insurance guarantee would actually
be overwhelmingly paid for in the collapse of oil and
gas prices. I think it would be a smart strategic move.
It also then allies the United States on the side
of commerce, and I think Buck automatically sort of labels
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Iran then as the terrorist actor, because if they are
going to attack any of these ships, we have established
we want free and fair passage of them. I would
not include Iran in that guarantee right now until the
peace agreement happens, but every non rain in flagship we
can make the determination on it. We would provide insurance
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to and free support for them to transit the straight
offour moves crazy idea, good idea or how do you
assess it? You need someone to pilot the ship, Clay,
I don't think they care that much that there's insurance.
If they're were they're going to get blown up or
shot or captain. Oh so you think I think the
pilots will go Oh, I think you don't think play
(07:26):
There was just a South Korean vessel attacked what in
the last forty eight hours. I let me put it
to you this way. If if you're the captain of
an oil tanker right now that's about to go in
there or you're like, well, Lloyd's of London has my back.
So no, Well, I think I think if your boss said, hey,
I want you to go, I think probably they go.
(07:48):
So I think the owners of this ship, your model employee, Yeah,
well I would not. The owners of the ships, I
think are concerned primarily about the safety of the physical cargo,
and I think the crew is concerned about You think
the crew. You think the crew would mutiny basically and
say we're not going. Yeah, dude, for sure, yes, Okay, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I think the seals who are piloting these they're not
like I think a lot of these guys. I think
a lot of these guys are probably going borderline and
sayings like cooling their heels in the uh there. Maybe
you have to give them hazard pay in order to
take the risk. Buck guys get on the Deadliest Catch.
(08:34):
I used to watch that show. You couldn't pay me
enough money to strap in and frigid seas and try
to drag lobster out of the ocean. If you pay
people enough money, they will basically take a risk to
do anything. Tennessee man crab, not lobster. Lobsters. The Northeastern.
Look at this, Look at this guy. Everybody you see
(08:54):
this talk lobster. I don't want to be on any
ship that I could fall off, And there's no amount
of money you could pay me to go out in
cold water and try to drag in uh, try to
drag in crustaceans. All right? So what point one, Tennessee man,
stick to Cobbler. Point two. I think you are forgetting
(09:15):
how much the risk factor is for people that are
Now you might say, well, it's only one ship that's attacking,
but who wants to who wants to be There's a
reason we had to have this whole anti piracy program
off of Somalia as long as we did, because they
were and everyone's seeing, what's what's the you know, the
what's the movie? Not not Captain task? Uh oh the
(09:37):
I'm the pirate now? Yeah, yeah, I'm the captain Now
we all know that line. I can't remember the name anyway,
there's a reason we have that. It's like Captain Smith
or something whatever it is, that right, Captain Phillips, I
said Smith, Captain Phillips, same idea. Look, here's what Trump
says about the ceasefire. We should we just he just
said this a few minutes ago, So you're getting the
most update of Clay's like, Eh, get some insurance, man up.
(09:58):
I think people want to go yea, I'd be a
we ensured the boats. The evil uh profit focused owners
of the boat would just say, God, I.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Hope you're out.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I hope you know, I hope everybody who works for
Clay and sports media is hearing this. He's like, sometimes
we've got to lose a few good guys to make
a buck.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
No big, I.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Gotta say it's true. It's true. As the awful boss.
I mean, you know, if if if the super Bowl,
we lose a couple of people in the super Bowl,
it happens got to be there to come in the
super Bowl. He's like, you know, a stampede here, a
stampede there. All right, this is cut thirty Trump moments ago.
Play it.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
But do they need to do to file a ceasfire.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Well you'll find out because I'll let you know. They
know what to do, and they know what to do,
and they know what not to do. More importantly, actually,
and you know they fined them in little boats with
P shooters, you know, to P shooters a little boat
we little you know why, because they don't have any
boats anymore. The navy is comprised of they call them
little boats boats and they're fast. Yeah, they're so fast
(10:55):
that that had eight of them and they're all God
and the fast. But then that fast like a missile.
A missile is slightly faster. They're all gone. So they're
looking around for little boats to try and compete with
our great navy. We have a navy that's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
We set up a blockade, as you know very well.
Not one ship couple tried and they got their engine
shut out.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
So you got ten to twenty boats going through the
straight offom moves. I think as of May fifth, it
says here, So usually it's like one hundred to one
hundred and fifty. So it's way down. So some ships
are going to so some of them are willing to
the run the risk. But this is a ninety ninety
(11:43):
percent give or take drop from normal levels, so it
ain't open yet, not really, ninety percent drop is not open, right, No, no, no,
I mean, and again I'm trying to think of you
may be right that the crews are going to mutin
me and they won't go. I actually think that most
of the hang up is not as much fear of
(12:04):
bodily injury, although it's an interesting thing to think about
if the crew just says up, sorry, we're not going.
I think it's the fear of the ships themselves being
attacked and if we are sure people on those ships.
So if you're afraid of the ship being attacked, that
means that people could get shot. But Clay's really, do
(12:25):
you do you do you put on a top hat
in a monocle? Would?
Speaker 5 (12:29):
I think?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I think if you pay those Look again, if you
pay the guys and you say, hey, I don't know
what the average ship ship mate on one of these
tankers makes. Let's say you just said, hey, we got
to get this thing out, we want commerce moving. We
didn't fit. I'll give you each more fifty K to
take the risk. I think most would go. Here's the
bigger concern I have about this, Notebuck. Everybody's talking about
(12:52):
the ship's leaving. My question is who's going to bring
their ship back? Because if I get my ship out
of the straight of for moves and it has been
stuck there for a couple of months, why in the
world am I gonna take my ship back in and
risk again that it could be stuck there. There's any
number of global shipping routes that they could go on.
(13:15):
So I think while the focus is and my solution
for the insurance gets those ships out and gets the
commerce moving out, I don't know who's going in. And
that's the biggest issue I think going forward. Because you
get however many hundreds couple of hundred ships are backed
up right there. You get all that out, that's good,
but it doesn't solve the issue because I'm not taking
(13:37):
my ship back in there. Well, I think you're totally
right about this. There's a huge difference between I think
it's quiet enough, we can get out of here. That's
that is a risk, versus maybe we should finish our run,
come back and see how that goes. That's where that's
where crewman Clay would say, Hey, I'll take the extra
pay to get out. I'm not taking the extra pay
(13:58):
to go back because I might get stuck in there
for a couple of months. And here's the other thing,
You're having to pay all of these guys probably hazard
pay while they're just sitting cooling their heels up from
a run. Waiting. You know, you look at the ship
tracking and uh, to get to get a clay and
buck show from a deadliest catch ship in like the
(14:21):
bearing straight, it would it would have to be they
would have to pay me. It would be crazy money.
You know what I'm saying. It would have it would
have to be like I don't know, it's because that
would order in order. Sorry, what particular job I wouldn't
get on a boat to run the straight for? I
(14:42):
mean you have to give me like a couple of
hundred million dollars. I mean, I'm not risking I'm not
risking my life because I'm not a ship guy. But
if I were a ship guy, Like the ship guys
are crazy, right, I mean to their credit, I love this.
He's just he's just like, Oh, no big deal, guys.
Just see if the missile hits you. All Right, We'll
(15:03):
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for normal in a world of crazy. Clay and Buck
have your back. Welcome back in here to Clay and
Buck VIP email from West right out of the gate. Clay,
you told us you were going to swim Alcatraz this July.
That's only a few months away. Am I hearing your career?
(16:30):
Hearing you correctly? Are you squiggling out of it already?
Question Mark? Yes, at least he's honest. Now I'm gonna
take a couple of things here. One I have not trained. Two,
Laura is actually concerned that I might get eaten by
(16:52):
a shark, and it's really kind of gotten in my
head that I might get eaten by a shark. And
Buck sharing that story about the woman doing the triathlon
getting by the shark. If there is a way she
was bitten, she wasn't eaten. Important distinction. She got bitten
by the shark off the west coast of California during
the Catalina. She didn't get eat she died. No a bite.
(17:13):
It was a little nibble, a little like, Hey, what's
going on? The shark thing is in my head and
I can't shake it. Yeah, I don't know if an
eight foot great white shark takes like a little nibble
but like she lived, she did. Like here, here is
here is my potential compromise. There is very safe. In
the US Virgin Islands. There is a one and a
(17:33):
quarter mile swim across the bay in Megan's Bay. I
used to live overlooking it. When I was down there
over the holiday, I was looking at that and I
was thinking, now, granted it's warmer, but it's still a
mile and a quarter. Uh. And I feel like I
could prove that I could swim that mile and a
quarter without being attacked by Oh I'm sorry, in your
(17:57):
bath temper in your bath temperature water under a bull sun?
Do they give you a back rub while you're doing it?
I prepostered. Of the most of the people that believed
I could not do it was about the distance more
than it was about the temperature of the water. I mean,
I was gonna be in a wetsuit, nice warm wetsuit.
This is I appreciate the call. I feel very confident
(18:19):
that I could do it, and I'm willing to do
it in a way that does not put me at
risk of being eaten by a shark. If we I'm
gonna let them play a way to do that. I'm
gonna let Tom and Tampa bail you out here. He's
on the lines, live Tom. What's going on?
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Hey, c clam buck listen. I just wanted to hitchhike
on Clay's comments about the insurance thing. There is definitely
some legs there, but I think it's the important understanding
little history. Lloyd's of London is the insurer of last resort,
as you guys know, but it's important understand some history.
(18:56):
In the three hundred and thirty seven Yearsoids of London
on the high seas ensuring vessels. This is the first
time in history, even the Yamkapour War, which you would
probably know about, Buck because of CIA, even the Yamtapur War,
Bloyds of London still insured. So for this to work,
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each loss of a tanker at the bottom of the sea,
including the cost of a tanker and assuming a three
hundred and forty five thousand barrel of oil to the
largest taker you can do, is about thirty five million dollars.
So the asterisk to Clay's idea is that the US
would literally have to take over Lloyd's position as the
(19:42):
insurer of last resort. And I don't know Clay you're
an attorney. I don't know the legal machinations of that,
but the idea has legs. But we But the problem
is Woyd, as I understand it, for the first time
in history, is refusing to ensure everybody going through there.
That is the real issue.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
What I think.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I don't think anybody's really talking about that.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
No, Look, Tom, I should have explained a little bit
more this. Yeah, you're exactly right. My idea on ensuring
is predicated on many of the current insurers are saying
they will not ensure these boats. Your math is a
good one there. I would say thirty five million dollars
for a tanker if it went to the bottom of
the sea. That's like not even what a Somali daycare
(20:26):
makes from our government. So the overall cost here, my
point is, and we'll talk about this a bit more
because I do think it's an intriguing idea, the overall
cost would immediately vanish in terms of the premium on
oil and gas. We would get back far more than
we would be ensuring, in my opinion, and it would
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I think, immediately knock twenty dollars off a cost of
a barrel of oil and gas, which would overwhelmingly make
gas prices more affordable. Here makes it a net positive
for us too. The second hour of Clay and Buck
kicks off right now. We'll have some updates for you
on Tennessee redistricting battle, which is underway. Also more from
(21:11):
Trump at the White House, not just on Iran, but
on the economy. On Tariff's presidential fitness test, I hope
it's age bracketed, right because I was like, I don't
know what, I don't know. I could I pass this thing?
Right now? We got to look at this thing. I
don't want to make any promise. Believe you never did
the presidential fitness test, though I thought everybody had to
(21:33):
do this back.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
In the day.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Play my high school. If you gathered together all of
the kids who are getting wedgies, uh, and we're like,
I'm the valedictorian getting shoved in a locker. That was
my high school. Not a lot of presidential fitness tests
going on there. Uh. And let's see, we've got more
primarily in elementary school. But but I s elementary school version.
(21:56):
Oh yeah, oh, we definitely do an element yeah oh yeah,
like young kids stuff. Yeah. I've always said the best
thing that we had when I was growing up in
elementary school at St. David's in New York City was
mandatory and just hear me out. Mandatory wrestling starting in
first grade and we really they actually really taught us
and it was and then we had to wrestle. You
(22:18):
didn't have a choice. It was like part of our
pe program basically, and if you were good enough, you
had to wrestle in front of the whole school. And
it was like it was like royal rumble stuff in
the third fourth grade, and you didn't want to get punked,
Like you didn't want to look like a little you know, uh,
some kind of dancing daisy out there, so you had
to you had to be ready to throw down and
(22:39):
uh and yeah it was. It was good. And then
later on in life you're like, you basically have the
the you have the basics of grappling taught to Clay.
Can I tell you what's funny about it? Though, about
five years after I graduated talking about grammar school, they
got rid of it because parents complained that it was
too violent. So US xenials gen x millennials, early millennials,
(23:00):
we are a little more hardcore. You get a little
bit older, and all of a sudden, they're like, eh,
gen Z was like, Eh, my shoulder hurts. So I'm
just saying, gen Z, you got to you got to
toughen up a little bit. Gen X continues to save
the world, but that's a whole nother discussion. Are you
generations good? I can't. Yeah, you're the oldest millennial basically, right,
(23:21):
the oldest you can be and be considered a millennial. Yeah,
so I'm I'm people call it a zenial, like a
gen X millennial. Uh so I'm as old as you
can be. I wanted to just get this out there
because we were talking animals before crocodiles. Some of you
are like, stop it, talk about talk about taxes and
Trump and the agenda, and I hear you, and we're
going to get to that. But also some of you
are like, let's talk about animals way more popular. This
(23:44):
is what the data reflects. I guarantee you the spike
as soon as you said, like, somebody got killed by
crocodile in South Africa and there were six shoes inside.
There's not one radio that went off. Everybody's like spiked.
This is what the data reflects. Yeah, Joint Chi Okay,
this is a real thing in the news. I'm not
making this up. Clay mentioned yesterday dolphins possibly being deployed
(24:08):
by Iran. There's some news reporting on this. I'm just
bringing you the news, everybody. I don't make the news.
I report The Journal reported that Iran had threatened us
with mine laying dolphins in and read I mean, I
took a picture because I knew people were gonna think
I'm crazy. I took a picture and then I highlighted it,
which is about as good as I can do on
(24:29):
my phone tech wise, and then I tweeted it out
because I'm like, things are probably not going great for
Iran if they're threatening us with dolphins and mines. But
this was a real thing. Oh so, these sick sons
of guns, like, leave the dolphins out of it. You know,
they're actually considered, I believe, one of the five most
intelligent animals on Earth when they measure animal intelligence, which
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is a tough thing to do in a lot of ways,
but one of the ways. And keep in mind killer whales.
People talk about how freakishly smart they are. They're just large,
they're just really big dolphins. They're actually technically not whales.
They're in the dolphin family. We just call them whales
because they're so large. So now think about that. And
also interesting that killer whales can kill great white sharks
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can even remove their liver, which is with like an incision.
I don't even know how the heck that happens, and
have never once in the wild, never once attacked a
human being, mistaken a human being for a seal. Gives
you a sense of the difference in intelligence between sharks, which,
to Clay's point, will sometimes mistake us for seals. At
least that's what we believe. The great white shark attacks
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are often the result of killer whales are like, no,
that's Clay, Travis, look at them, Clay in the gym lately.
You know that the great white I mean, the killer
whales are a whole other level of intelligence. But dolphins, obviously,
chimpanzees and some of the great apes they call them chimpanzees,
and then actually orangutangs are the very top of the
animal intelligence scale. Dolphins slash killer whales super high on that.
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There are people say that are freakishly smart too, which
you would not expect. Crows and ravens in the bird
family but they have a particularly high intelligence for an
animal that you wouldn't expect with given the size of
their brain. Okay, I'm getting weird here. Point is, Joint
Chiefs Chairman was asked about as about this whole dolphins thing.
(26:22):
Pete Hexeth was at the conference too, obviously, Secretary of
War cut two play it. Can you kind of clarify
these reports of Kamakazi dolphins that we've heard about. I
haven't heard the Kamakasi dolphins thing.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
It's like sharks with laser beamstress and I can't confirm
or deny whether we have Kamakazi dolphins, but I can
confirm they don't.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I can confirm that there was the Soviets at one point.
I believe we're experimenting with Kamakazi dolphins. I think that
was a thing Soviet era trying to train. Play and
here is it's two laser beams. This is from Austin
powers play three. I have one simple request, and that is.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
To have sharks with freaking laser beams attached to their heads.
Now have a deadly my cyclopedic colleague informs me that
that can't be done.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
A clue.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Remind me what I pay you people for honestly thrown
me upone here, what do we have? See this clay
doctor Evil couldn't get sharks with laser beams. I don't
think the Iranians can get dolphins with explosives attached to them.
I'm pretty confident it is probably a sign that things
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are not going great for Ron that they have no
air force, they have no military really in terms of navy,
and President Trump said today we basically wiped out all
the small boat fleet that they might have as well.
And now, according to the Wall Street Journal, and that
was a couple of days ago, they were threatening us
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with dolphins that might have bombs on them. And this
all comes back to look mean you and I I
think are correct in saying that the price of oil
and gas right now is the number one story domestically.
Is that fair to say? I know, we got a
lot of primaries. We want you to go vote in
Indiana and Ohio. Redistricting continues to be a story, But
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in terms of how people feel, I think the number
one story is affordability. And the number one way that
people determine to a large extent, affordability is what does
it cost to fill up oil and gas tanks. And
so this is where my talking about the insurance idea
for the United States being the insurer of choice when
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it comes to the straight of four moves. I was
just looking at a map during the commercial the end
of the hour break that we had buck. Most of
these tankers right now are basically just parked off the
coast of Dubai. There are hundreds of tankers that are
just anchored off the coast of Dubai and they are
all sitting there because the risk from their perspective of
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going through the strait is too high right now. And
you think that if we changed the insurance carrier, they
would be willing to just go. I think that there
are bull I do, and I understand some people think
that's crazy, but I'm trying to look at it as
(29:24):
a rational business based decision. The ship that is not
moving is costing all of these companies a substantial dollar figure,
and so if you're just parked off the coaster. So
my belief is if there were a worst case scenario removed.
And this is from a business perspective, not a life perspective,
(29:47):
although I don't want anybody to die as well, but
the worst case scenario from a business perspective, Thank you
very that's very good of you. By the way, I'm
glad you said that. You know, even light them up,
Linda is like Clay, slow down, buddy. The worst case
scenario from a business perspective is ship gets attacked, it sinks,
and you had a caller who I thought did a
good job breaking it down. Cargo, what's at worth? What's
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the ship worth? And so the insurance to me, if
you knew worst case scenario, we're going to be able
to be compensated for the value of that ship right now.
My understanding, Buck, is that many insurers, as that call
just said, have notified the bank and the owners of
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these ships and said we are not going to pay
in the event that something happens to your ship. A
lot of these and I used to work on some
of these contracts. A lot of these contracts have war
clauses in them and risk clauses in them, and your
insurer will notify you and say, hey, this is a
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risk that we are not willing to take on. If
you go and something bad happens, that's on you. I
think if you told these owners, hey we will protect
you would take it. Now the challenge, so what what insurer?
What insurer? Clay hold on? I'm hearing you out on this,
but I think it's a little crazy. What insurer is
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going to ensure the boats? If they say, okay, we're insured,
they go and one of them gets blown up, No,
it's the United States. That's why. Who's going to sleep in?
Then we are publicly saying to all of these ship
owners we will ensure your boat. So if your boat
is if your boat is sunk and attacked, then the
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United States, the full faith and credit of the United
States backbenches it. My argument is that if we do that,
oil and gas prices will immediately overnight drop about twenty bucks. Yes,
but what happens when a ship gets blown up? Where
oil and gas prices go? Then what ships are? What
ships are going to want to go through after one
(31:55):
of them is at the bottom of the strait. Well,
I think if we guarantee fifty minutes dollars in payment
to all of the ships, then I think a lot
of the shipowners will go. I think they'll go. Do
we have any shipowners who can verify that my buy
them off? Do we have any shipowners out there that
will verify my idea on this. Look, there are different Now.
(32:18):
My concern is if you want me to play this out, Yes,
a ship could get sunk. That's not ideal. So far,
that hasn't happened. So far, that hasn't happened. He's so
blase about this, He's like ecological disaster.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Oil everywhere the whole streets.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
The ship sink all the time. If iron sinks a ship, remember, hey,
hold on ship, ships spink all the time. I mean
I lived in the Caribbean. There's ships everywhere. I mean,
this is read read a history bookship. This isn't We're
not talking about a pleasure yacht with three spring breakers
on it.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
We're talking about you remember.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
When the cruise ship hit the coral off the coast
of Italy. It was like a four hundred million dollar ship. Yeah,
and the guy called him.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
He was like, get the back of too, you're a
ship and what are you doing.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I mean, I that was probably the worst thing that's
ever happened to a cruise ship. They're like, what, what's
the worst thing that could happen? You're more on, captain
could hit coral and sink the whole thing. I mean
I'm not counting that you don't want you don't want
one of the super Mario brothers to be the one
in charge of your ship. That's what you're not a
good idea, true. But the ship risk is is why
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I think no one is going. So I think if
we took the financial risk away, that you would go.
And honestly, if Iran then hits a ship, right, if
they attack a ship and they create an ecological disaster,
that's not good. But also even the environmentalist would then
be on the side of Trump because Trump's gonna be
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saving all the animals and Iran has just polluted the
entire the entire straight of war moves with oil and gas.
So I think we are creating a situation where Iran
is clearly the terror actor if we're saying we want
commerce to occur. Now, my concern is still once the
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ships leave, they don't go back, and that then creates
a larger issue because the whole point of the strait
existing is for people to go the whole actions. That
is kind of the whole issue, Clay, because just we
get the ships to go once that's almost like a
rescue operation. The point is they need to be willing
to come back. If they're not willing to come back,
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the strait's not open. But I think we buy ourselves
a lot of time economically if that If those ships
are able to come through, oil and gas drops twenty
bucks overnight, and we then have a full month probably
before most of those ships are completing their their transit
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and have to make a decision, Okay, where do we
go get oil and gas next? And my hope would
be that we can start to produce more oil and
g in many parts of the country. I was reading
about Venezuela right now. Things are going really well. Every
company is now flooding into Venezuela. How much more can
we increase production there? How much more can we increase
production in the United States? UAE has said we're gonna
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drop out an OPEC meeting they can produce more. That's
the story there. I'm just telling I'm trying to solve
the energy on issue in America, and I think my
insurance idea has some legs here. I wish we could
get you on like the little handheld radio that the
captains of the ships always have, and have you give
a little pep talk to all these tankers be like, look,
not all of you are gonna make it, but price
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of gas is gonna go down twenty bucks overnight if
a few of you do so. Have at it. Boys,
we got a bunch of callers who want to weigh
in on this too, because I think this is a
brilliant idea. Sometimes the line between genius and insanity, as
many people know, is a very fine one. You're like,
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iHeart app. Welcome back into Clay and Buck. First time
on the program. We are joined by Daniel Perez. He's
Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives. He's the third
Cuban American speaker of the Florida House. We have some
stuff we want to talk to speak of Perez about
right now. Thank you so much for being here, sir.
Good to have you on.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
It's my pleasure. How are you.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
We're good, So let's jump into We've got a couple
of things here. First off, we have a little bit
of foreign business, and then we want to talk to
you about some Florida business. You are Cuban American. You
are certainly tied in here as my near neighbor in
South Florida, to the Cuban American community. Right now, there's
not a lot of attention. Trump mentions it sometimes from
the White House that he's got plans for Cuba. What
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is the situation of the island and where do you
think the administration should go with this as it pertains
to Cuba.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Well, look, it might not be on the on the
national spotlight consistently, but it is down here in Miami,
and we're a diverse community down here. But obviously, as
you know, mostly Cuban Americans or Cubans that have to
leave the island, my parents included. My parents had to
leave in nineteen sixty nine. The revolution took over nineteen
fifty nine, and since then the island has been decimated
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by this regime that has taken away human rights, amongst
many other things from the people of Cuba. Where we
stand today is Cuba's at an all time low. There
is no oil, there is no energy, there is no food,
there is no health care, there is absolutely nothing on
that island. You have to think about it for a second.
For someone to be willing to get on a raft
and swim ninety miles with nothing but a compass in
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the middle of the night. How dire does the situation
have to be? And we've had we've had thousands of
people risking their lives in that exact situation for almost
one hundred years. And so where we stand here in Miami,
and I know that I speak on behalf of all
Cuban Americans, where we stand and say, look, it's time
for this regime to pick up their bag and get
the hell out of town, because that was that is
that is land that the to the Cuban people well
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before they went in there and took it away. What
Trump will do with this is up in the air.
And we have some of the greatest advocates having this
conversation on behalf of the United States and on behalf
of all Cuban Americans. And obviously that's led by Secretary
Marco Rubio, who's one of our own and was the
first Cuban Americans to be Speaker of the House in Florida.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
What do you think Marco Rubio is telling President Trump?
Obviously Secretary of State. I saw that he was also,
in addition to all the other jobs that he has,
acting as a DJ at a Miami party wedding over
the weekend. What do you think Marco Rubio is telling
President Trump right now? And what does a solution look
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like from your perspective?
Speaker 5 (39:44):
And by the way, I did see that video of
him djaying at a wedding. The man can do it
on I can't do it all. If only he can
play a little bit of quarterback, the Dolphins could use
of it.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I'd like that, no kidding.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
But look, I think the solution here has been consistent,
and that is pressure. You You have to absolutely squeeze
the neck of this monster and you have to cut
the head off the snake. It's the only way that
you can succeed. And I think that's exactly what President
Trump and Secretary of Rubio are doing. The sanctions have
to double down, the flights have to stop, the money
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going into the island has to stop. And the problem
that you have is many many Cuban Americans that are
here today say, well, I still have family there and
I still want to send resources there. And what the
regime has done and this is you know, it's it's disgusting.
But what the regime has done is they have now
replied to the United States by saying, we are going
to open up enterprise. We are going to open up
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free market in Cuba, so that Cubans can open up
a restaurant, a store, a supermarket and actually have interstate
commerce amongst Cubans. To be quite frank, that's crap. That's
not true because the way that the Cuban government works
is in order for you to go ahead and open up,
let's say a restaurant, a certain percentage has to be
(41:00):
paid into the government's pocket of profit before you can
even actually open those doors or run those doors. So
there is no free market, there is no capitalism, there
is no competition. It is all owned by one umbrella
patriarch entity that's owned by the Cuban government. And from there,
these smaller enterprises are able to quote unquote open up
(41:20):
their own businesses. But that's bull crap. None of them
are actually able to have their own business. But it's
a facade that the regime has put in place in
order to appease the Americans. The problem that they have
is that the Americans led by Secretary of Rubio know
the truth, and so what I expect Secretary of Rubio
and the President to do is to continue to squeeze
the neck as tight as they can until the Cuban
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people themselves have finally realized we are done. We are
done starving, we are done having to listen to this
regime that has taken away our own freedom. It is
time to act, and hopefully that happens sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
We're speaking to Daniel Perez, Speaker of the Florida House,
something related to all this. Of course, we also have
down here in South Flowre a very large Venezuelan American population. Now,
the situation of Venezuela, mister Speaker, seems like it is
trending in the right direction. Delca Rodriguez is in charge
after the capture of Maduro. Sounds like she's at least
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playing ball with America in a way that is encouraging.
What do you see and what's that looking like for
the Venezuelan American community.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
Well, first and foremost, I think the President deserves a
lot of credit for making the tough decision, which was
the right decision, and I was taken out in Nicolas Maludu.
That was the right decision that I don't think any
other president would have had the courage to do. And
so I think that has to be mentioned first and foremost.
As far as the current state of Venezuela, Venezuela today
is in a way, way more prosperous situation than they
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were a year ago. I don't think anyone can debate that.
The Venezuelans can't debate that. I mean that they are
in a phenomenal place. Their economy is booming like never before,
and all of that credit goes to Secretary and President Trump.
Here's my concern with Venezuela. My concern with Venezuela was
a comment that was made by Delci in the last
I say seven or days when she was asked on
when is the next election to duly elect, based on
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a democratic provision, the next president of Venezuela, and her
response was, I don't know when that's going to happen.
And that's concerning because without fair and accurate and open elections,
then eventually they'll just go back to what they know best,
which is that socialist ideology that got them in this
place to begin with. That started with Ugo Chavis and
(43:27):
eventually was ran by Nicolas Malulo and potentially by Delca.
Unless we have free and fair elections to eventually put
a new leader in Venezuela that can have a true
democracy and bring capitalism back to this country. I have
no doubts that Secretary Rubia and President Trump aren't going
to allow her to get away with that, and elections
will have to take place. But what I didn't like
is it was the first time that I saw her
not in line with what the American vision is. We
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care about our elections. We are so we treat our
right to vote, our civil rights to vote as such
a sacred opportunity, and in the rest of the world
they don't see it same way. Our hope is that
Venezuelans and really Delsey seize it the same way. And
I have no doubt that the President and the Secretary
are going to get her there. But that first response
was something that wasn't music to my ears.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Tell us about the new map. I know that the
Florida House and the Florida Senate have put in place
a new map that certainly is going to potentially lead
to more Republican seats. What should we know about that map,
and what do you anticipate the result of the map
will be.
Speaker 5 (44:30):
Well, so this is a map that was passed by
the House and eventually passed by the Senate and recently
signed by the governor. It was a map that was
drawn by the governor. I don't want to speak on
me after the governor's office, but they were the ones
that drew it. But I don't think this was a
map drawn on trying to give certain seats to certain
parties or certain parts of the state. I just think that,
you know, we believe, based on the recent court rulings,
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that we have an opportunity to have a conversation on redistructing,
on our mid decade redistricting, and so that's exactly what
we did. You know where that ends up. I guess
only the voters will be able to tell us how
many seats may go may go one way or another,
and we won't know that until November. But you know,
I think that we did our job. I think the
last resistricting cycle was under a census that that may
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have potentially been flawed. And uh and Florida has had
an influx of people moving here really because of the
way that we've been running our government for decades. I
think it was very easy for elected officials today that
take credit for the prosperous economy that Florida has. But
you know, we have to take this back for decades.
You have to talk about a Governor Bush, you have
to talk about a Governor Scott. Those were the ones
that kind of started putting the wheels in motion. When
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you talk about Rick Scott and the amount of jobs
that he brought into the state, that was unprecedented. We
haven't seen it since. As a matter of fact, right now,
our job our unemployer rate is going up in the
state of Florida. That never happened on the Rick Scott
and so, you know, I think that sometimes people want
to focus on that now, but I always have to
give credit to how we got here. And so now
we're in this place to where a lot of people
are moving to Florida. They want to live here. Obviously,
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our tax structure is one of the best in the country.
We have a great economy, and so people want to
be here. I think us having the conversation on redistricting
was the right one, and I applaud the governor for
drawing the map, and I'm sure there'll be plenty of
losses down the pipeline and we'll see where this ends up.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
You're ahead of the Florida house. But Buck and I
saw you most recently at the Indiana Miami game where
Indiana won the national title. You mentioned the Dolphins. Who
are you more optimistic about the Miami Hurricanes or the
Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 5 (46:26):
Well, here, I'm going to have a problem with this
question because I'm a Miami kid that went to Florida State,
and so I'm rooting for the Seminoles every day of
the week no matter what.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
All Right, well, let me start you with that whore.
Even a better question is a better question? Who is
going to win a title? First, Florida State or Miami.
Will Florida State be in the playoffs or Miami the
Dolphins be in the play I'm not even gonna ask
about Super Bowl. Poor Miami Dolphin fans. You guys are
still pining for Dan Marino.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
But who will make the playoffs first? The Dolphins or
the Seminoles.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
I'm going with the Seminoles, but damn they both stink
right now.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
I we have no hope.
Speaker 5 (47:04):
Not their team has a hole. I think the Dolphins
are gonna have a rough season, but we're hoping for
the best. You know, if Steve Ross does a great
job of owning the team and he's put some money
into the team, and hopefully he can turn it around
with the new management there. But but I'm a Semino
at Hardin. I'm a believer in Mike Norvell. I just
I love football across the board. But there's absolutely nothing
like watching college football on a Saturday morning. But it's
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better when the Seminoles are winning.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
In my opinion, I think you and Clay just became
best friends. Daniel Perez, Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives, Hey, man,
come back because we want to talk to you about
more Florida business and also as the Cuba situation unfolds.
But thanks for being here.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
Take care, guys.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
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