June 3, 2026 • 51 mins
60 Minutes of Arrogance
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton discuss the firing of a 60 Minutes correspondent Scott Pelley. They use the incident to argue that legacy media personalities have inflated perceptions of their influence, contrasting traditional television journalism with the modern digital, merit-based media landscape. They contend that declining trust in mainstream media and the rise of independent platforms have exposed vulnerabilities in institutions like CBS News and shows such as 60 Minutes, particularly when it comes to perceived bias and lack of accountability.
37 Days to Count Ballots in CA?
Clay and Buck discuss the California election controversy, focusing heavily on the state’s prolonged vote-counting process. The hosts express frustration that final results for key races—including the California governor primary and Los Angeles mayoral race—could take up to 37 days to certify, arguing this undermines voter confidence and creates prolonged political uncertainty. A caller from California, the Chair of the LA Republican Party, Roxanne Hoge, provides additional context, explaining that mail-in ballot systems, extended deadlines, and delayed reporting schedules contribute to the slow process. The hosts contrast California with states like Florida, where votes are counted rapidly, and argue that delays could have national implications for control of Congress, especially if tightly contested races determine the balance of power in the House.
The conversation also touches on voter turnout and political competitiveness, noting that relatively low turnout in Los Angeles contrasts with claims that expanded mail-in voting increases participation. Despite the frustrations with the system, there is optimism among some callers and commentators that races involving candidates like Steve Hilton and Spencer Pratt could spark broader political engagement and potentially attract crossover voters, particularly in debates around issues like homelessness, governance, and urban policy.
Iran is Not the Mess the Media Says
Clay and Buck discuss recent interview between President Donald Trump and journalist Miranda Devine, highlighting Trump’s comments on Iran, its leadership structure, and ongoing diplomatic and military tensions. The hosts analyze Trump’s remarks about potentially meeting Iranian leadership figures and the uncertainty surrounding who truly holds power within Iran’s regime. They connect this to ongoing concerns about global energy security and the Strait of Hormuz, emphasizing how disruptions in shipping lanes and rising insurance costs for tankers could significantly impact oil markets, global trade, and U.S. fuel prices. The conversation underscores broader fears about geopolitical instability and supply chain risk, while also noting signals from the White House that officials remain confident Trump’s strategy will ultimately succeed.
Clay and Buck further evaluate Trump’s handling of the situation, playing audio in which the president expresses confidence in U.S. military strength and ongoing operations, including references to actions in Venezuela and Iran. They frame Trump as a “wartime president” managing multiple international challenges, while emphasizing his belief that the situation will resolve relatively quickly. The hosts also address reports of tension between Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, pushing back on narratives that suggest Trump is influenced or controlled by foreign leaders, instead portraying him as an independent decision-maker prioritizing U.S. interests.
Rush Limbaugh Candidate Wins
Republican primary results in Iowa, where Zach Lahn (referred to in the transcript as Zach Lahn) emerges as the GOP nominee for governor in a closely watched race. Clay highlights a viral moment from 2009 in which the candidate, as a college student, challenged Barack Obama on healthcare policy during a town hall. The clip, later praised by Rush Limbaugh, is presented as an example of early conservative political engagement and is framed as a full-circle moment now that the same individual is running for statewide office. The hosts emphasize the symbolic value of this moment for conservative audiences and express interest in having the candidate appear on the show.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in playing Buck. Okay, we continue to monitor
the ongoing ballots coming in in the LA mayors race
and also in the California governor's race. Our friend Steve
Hilton in a very good spot right now. But the counting,
as I was just saying, is going to be going
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on for so long that it is infuriating to me.
There are, however, a couple of other big stories that
are out there, Buck, and I did want to mention
this because it's kind of snow flown under the radar
a bit, because it came out right as all this
voting was happening in the primaries. The Supreme Court has
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allowed the new Alabama map. So, in the wake of
cala versus Louisiana, which was the racial jerrymanderin case my
home state of Tennessee, Alabama and Louisiana have all redrawn
their congressional districts. The judges and all Labama said this
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is impermissible, and they struck down the new map that
Alabama had drawn.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
The Supreme Court almost immediately.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Took up this case and pushed back six to three,
the same margin as the Calais decision, and said, no,
we have to this Alabama map is constitutional. Buck, Why
does this matter? Some of you may say, well, one,
it is an additional Republican district in the state of Alabama,
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It's an additional Republican district in the state of Louisiana,
And it's an additional Republican district in the state of Tennessee.
That is three additional districts. South Carolina elected not to
redraw its district map. Georgia has made the same decision.
Mississippi has made the same decision. This further makes it
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clear that all three of those states have the ability
to go in and redraw their maps. It also makes
Florida's map far more likely, which was already redrawn, to
be able to stand and is going to fundamentally reconfigure
much of what is going on in many of the
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southern states where racially jerrymander districts had been the law
of the land for the past couple of generations. So
this will have not only a big impact coming up
in the fall, potentially depending on how close this ends
up being, but also I think is going to be
quite significant when you look at Mississippi, South Carolina, and
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Georgia redistricting. This is a story worth paying attention to
for twenty twenty eight. And here is the bigger picture
story that I think is significant Buck. Once the twenty
thirty census comes down, the Democrat pathway to a majority
in the House, if they continue to run with the
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same part already ideals with which they are imbued right now,
almost becomes a mathematical impossibility. And what you say, what
do we mean by that, Clay? The population that is
surging into states like Florida where Buck is, Tennessee where
I am, Texas, where our biggest audience is, among others,
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red state populations are soaring. And this is going to
have a transformative impact when the new census comes out,
not only in the House, but also for the electoral college,
where the pathway for Democrats to win by running the
table in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, for instance, is going
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to cease to exist.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
When you want to talk about Scott Pelly getting his
ass booted from sixty minutes Beau, that was fun.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You might want to that was fun. Dive into that.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I love this, Yes, your political analysis and of the
map as a stute, and we're going to be getting
more and more into that of course, as we get
close or to the actual election, which is going to
be pivotal, and look, I have the greatest hope that
Trump is able to help corral the Republicans and the
party such that they maintain the House and the Senate,
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because otherwise, as we know, it's just they jam up.
They jam up the President as much as they can.
If they get the House, they're going to impeach him again.
It's just going to be a mess. Doesn't mean that
there's not a lot that will still be done and accomplished.
It just means that things will get well mess here
in the meantime. Yeah, do you want to do sixty
minutes or if you have more political stuff? I'm not
(04:35):
that is.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I wanted to make sure that we mentioned that ruling
because I think it's gotten kind of snowed under with
all of the election results coming in last night, and
I do.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Think it's really significant.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I love this sixty minute story because this is the
sixty minutes reporters are I think the most arrogant and
lacking in basic COMPREHENDI of the modern media environment of
almost anyone out there. This guy Pelly sixty minutes makes
millions of dollars a year to do a few stories
(05:10):
a year, and I think this is significant. Two buck,
the only reason anybody watches sixty Minutes is because they
put it on right after the NFL games. Anybody who
like me, spends a lot of time watching the NFL games,
they start advertising sixty minutes.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Buck. They could put me doing a flute.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Recital on CBS right after the NFL and we got
to give the ladies something to look at. I mean,
shirtless shirtless flute Clay I think gets millions of views
after the Super Bowl, tens of millions of viewers right
after the NFL. So they're so cocky about how many
people watch sixty minutes and nobody ever points out, yeah,
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because they put it on right after the NFL game.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
We've seen this with so many of these people who
they become their egomaniacs, and they have no sense of
humility about the fact that they're incredibly I mean Jimmy
Kimmel is one of them, for example. I know that's
on the comedy side allegedly, but these people are handed
massive platforms now just just to clear the air. By
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the way, somebody might say, oh, well, you guys are
here and like Rush built. First of all, we always
say Rush built this house that we are in, and
we honor him and we appreciate him. And Rush taught
me how to do radio over many years of listening
to him, and I used to fill in for Rush
and all that. But also Clay independently had a successful
radio is like trench warfare every station, every ratings period.
(06:36):
You have to prove yourself. You have to prove yourself.
Clay had a successful show in the morning. I had
a successful show in the evening, and they combined us.
Nobody just sort of said out of nowhere, Hey, you
haven't been doing this for over a decade and gotten
proven results day in and day out, and you know
and shown what you know, We're just gonna give this
to you. Like Trevor Noah the best example of us.
(06:56):
By the way, never even heard of this guy, and
they hand on the Daily Show. Now I understand with
some of these people at CBS, you'll say, well, they've
been in this for a long time. Yes, they happen
to be able to be in a place where they
had a tremendous built in audience, a lot of resources,
and they're in a very fortunate position. But they're incredibly replaceable.
And that's the part of this play for media personalities
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that they don't get at all. In this current era,
you're you know, it's either the platform or the talent.
Most of the time that is drawing, you know, drawing
the eyeballs. And Scott Pelly just sounds like the most
pomposhed douchebag on the planet, honestly, and that is I
think the proper term for him. He is so wildly
in love with the importance of the work that he's
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done at sixty minutes and there's no also clay accountability
for these clowns, the so called elite journal journalist types
from sixty Minutes is probably the best example of this,
but other places too. They destroyed the public's faith in
what they do. No one believes them anymore, no one
thinks they're unbiased anymore. And he went in there and
basically told his boss, screw you, I don't have to
(08:02):
listen to you.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Well, guess what when you do that, you get fired. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I saw the reporting around this for people who don't know.
They hired a new producer basically to run the show.
They had their first meeting and this guy showed up
and denigrated and insulted his boss in front of the
whole group. For the first meeting, the boss had previously
reached out to everybody individually and said, Hey, can we
(08:30):
meet can we talk about how to make the show better?
After that event, he then reached out again and said, Hey,
can we start back over? Can we go have a meeting?
And he's refusing to do it. I just they're going
to try to turn this guy into a free speech warrior,
because that's what they do. But for all of you
out there that are employed, if you showed up at
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an all hands meeting after refusing to meet with your
new boss, you insulted him in front of everybody in
the meeting, He then reached out and asked you to
meet again, and you refuse to do so.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
What do you expect is going to happen now? Pelly?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I think Buck in this situation wanted to get fired.
But I think what you're laying out is really significant here.
Pelly comes from a world where you get a job
and that job makes you a star, and there used
to be a lot of jobs like that in media. Hey,
I'm going to put you on the nightly news and
the reality is any warm body, they could have put
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twenty people in that chair and they would have done fine.
The Internet, really, which is where I came from, where
you came from, is a really knockdown, dragout meritocracy where
you have to grind to develop any kind of audience,
and the top down world of Hey, I'm going to
give you an anchor chair and pay you millions of
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dollars a year to do how many stories a year
to Scott Pelley do probably five or six. It's one
of the cushiest jobs on the planet. And these guys
all act like they are heroes. He said he was
in combat, yes, a medical trying to defend himself buck
in Afghanistan, in Iraq.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
He's a friggin guy with a camera.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
He observed people in combat and not really in the
actually dangerous of a cop course of their combat. A
lot of the time these guys would I saw them
because I was there too. By the way I observed combat,
I had to carry a gun and was technically a combatant,
but I did not get in combat myself. That is
(10:36):
a a different I wasn't a helicopter where they started
shooting at people, but I wasn't shooting, so I was observing,
point being, this guy is alone in terms of his
love of self. I mean, his narcissism is pathological, and
I just think it's also the last gasp of this
overpaid sorry boomers boomer generation of TV news star in
(11:01):
an era where now everyone the expectation is whether you
like someone's content or not. You know, Clay, we got
used to doing this business. You sit at a microphone
and go, Yeah, it was no video when I started,
no video when you started, and you know that's now
a piece of it too. So maybe it's you sit
at a at a webcam and a microphone and you
go and can you be worth people's time? A lot
(11:22):
of these Dan I worked for Dan Rather as an intern,
but I worked for Dan Rather for six months. Let
me tell you, he is a He is a stupid
blowhard and not a guy that you would want to
spend any time with or around. That's reality. These guys
were getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and they
really deluded themselves into thinking that that wasn't based on
their relationships with the TV execs at these corporate media
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outlets who liked them and just sort of kept writing
the checks for them, but it was because they were
so important in your replacement. Look at them.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
You know, where's the huge Brian Williams project?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Since he got booted from NBC, I know, I think
about women is just kind of floundering around. He got
charged with crimes. Here's a funny example of this. I
don't Brandy Kruz and I might be mispronouncing her last
name posted. And this is similar to what you were
just talking about with Dan Ratherbuck. I was an intern
at CBS News when Pelly would fill in for Katie
Kirk on the Evening News. I watched in the control
(12:19):
room one day as he directed them to slowly push
the shot in on him as he took his glasses off.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
It was so fake. I've remembered it for fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I was kind of laughing about this because you think,
like the news guy is like such a big note. Look,
I'm getting serious now, let me take my glasses off.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
They're basically anchored. I mean sorry, actors rather, yeah, anchors
are essentially especially in this kind of a role.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yes, are actors.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
And also, I might add in this era of media too,
the era you and I grew up and you had
other jobs. I had other jobs before doing this too.
A lot of these guys have never known anything other
than the the warm embrace of the lib Corp news
media apparatus that they've been able to, you know, become
very financially successful, want to become very famous in But
(13:08):
I'll tell you this too. When I worked at CBS
Eving News, the people and they were horrible. Yeah, I
actually was. If people asked me, they're like, well, you
worked there and then you went into like Middle Eastern studies,
into the CIA thing. Yeah, because the people that I
came across at CBS Eving News, for the most part,
there were young staffers there who were really like, they
were nice people and they were trying to start their careers.
But the more senior people and the overall and Dan
(13:30):
Rather and the overall ethos of that place took itself
way too seriously. People were nasty to each other, People
were jerks in the control room, jerks outside of the
control room. And that was the by the way, that's
CBS Eving News everybody. So I had some real personal
experience of this, and I I came out of dan Rather,
I think was making seven million dollars a year in
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two thousand when I was working there. I just knew
that because I was there and people talk about it,
which would be like making fifteen million dollars a year now,
and and I just remember being like, you could replace
him with fifty people tomorrow and nobody would even notice.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
And he's a jerk. And then the National Guard document
story happened.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Whoops.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Well, I mean, I think that's the lesson of sixty minutes,
is what they're trying to do is recognize that they're
not going to forever have the great time slot right
after the NFL. If you put sixty minutes at eight
pm at night, nobody would watch it. And again, the
benefit of getting that job and also having the opportunity
(14:29):
to talk in that situation and being totally without knowledge
for how replaceable you are is absolute perfection here to me.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Wasn't it just sixty minutes? Was was it? Leslie Stall
who did the whole thing with Trump where she's like, yeah,
we can't, we can't say that.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
They said they they claimed that the that the overall
Hunter Biden laptop was impossible to verify and it was
all made up, And he said no, I mean it's
He's right, it's all there. It's all one hundred percent accurate.
Just a propaganda outfit. By the way, God bless Barry Weisse,
Good luck to you.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Clean it up. She's going to try to make it
worth watching. She's going to try to make it a
place where they do interesting stories that people who want
to know stuff about what's happening can go instead of
smug lib propaganda for boomers who have been watching these
clowns and have no interest in actually figuring out what's
really going on in politics, in the world and anything.
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Speaker 3 (16:40):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Bucks. So I
had a lot of talk there about the situations that
Donald Trump is handling. It's got a whole range of
things on his plate as the commander in chief. Would
tend to something else that's going on here though, Clay,
I know you talked about it, Yes, what it would have.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
We got a caller who was calling in to update
us on the amount of time it's going to take
to count.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
She called in with us the other day. Good Roxanne Hoge.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I believe you can let us let me know if
I'm pronouncing your last name correctly or not. I saw
you just tweet and I had the team reach out
to you. Thirty seven days is the current tracker of
how long it's going to take for all of these
California votes to be tabulated.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Oh yes, sir, it's hogue rhymes with rogue. But the
most important thing is that, yes, California for years. This
predates COVID, This predates are all the mail in elections
they normally get thirty days. I don't know if they
gave themselves a holiday boost for the fourth of July,
but we are looking.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
At a timeline that we.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
Will not have certified results until July tenth.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
That's insane, that's insane.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Why can you try to help us understand, Roxanne, cool name,
by the way, Why is that the way? Look?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
How can anyone think that that's okay?
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Well? I think and I'm getting inside their minds. Now,
they've always taken a very long time to add in
the mail in ballots, and now that we've gone to
all mail in, so even if people drop off their
ballots on election day, at a vote center they count.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
As mail in.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
They give seven days for ballots to arrive. But even
before that, like last night, the first batch of results
we got weren't from the electronic vote machines in vote centers.
One would think that you can tabulate that, like you
could go on Twitter slash x right now, put up
a survey that last twelve hours, and when the survey closes,
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you would see the results. I honestly do not understand
why the electronic vote tabulation takes so long. If you
look at the Registrar of Voters in Los.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Angeles, which they do a good job, but I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
I it's union breaks, what it is. They are going
to do updates. It's going to be an update today
that's going to report it at four pm Pacific, and
then we don't get another one till tomorrow at four pm,
and then Friday, like they're keeping bankers hours for something
that's incredibly important.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
This is important, too, you said, and I don't remember.
You correct me if I'm wrong. I don't remember in
the nineties or the early two thousands that there was
this issue with California votes being tabulated, and buck is
in Florida right now.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Obviously all of us.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Remember what happened in Florida in two thousand when it
took forever to decide who won that state and Florida
fixed everything. And now a couple of hours after Florida
is done with the votes, they shut down the ballots.
We know exactly what the results are. It's instantaneous. When
did California start doing this? And obviously it's intentional on
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their idea is, oh, this is going to allow us
to get a higher voter participation rate, I'm sure is
what they're saying. But this is I think, frankly, an
excusable and indefensible to the rest of the country, and
I know for many Californians as well well.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
It's been going on for at least a decade. I
don't know if you guys remember Congresswoman Young Kim was
declared a winner, went to DC, did her freshman orientation
in Congress, and then too bad, so Sad was replaced.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
And that was back in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Or twenty twenty.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
I think it happened, you know, with Rick.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Caruso in the La mayoral race. Oh yay, he won,
and then all the other ballots come in and in
terms of them claiming that we've increased turnout, I mean,
right now, you know La County is looking maybe we're
lucky we'll hit twenty five twenty eight percent turnout. But
that's the crazy thing. We don't even know what the
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denominator of votes passed will be for a full week.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So how are you feeling about? Not forget about the
vote counting part of it, because that's obviously a mess.
But from what we've seen so far, are you optimistic
given the strong initial showing from Steve Hilton and from
Spencer Pratt, what's your sense of it?
Speaker 6 (21:18):
I'm cautiously optimistic. But what I'm really happy about is
that we are now going to have conversations about the
best way to run something. The fact that Karen Bass
couldn't win out right, when Democrat politicians here who are
incumbents just skate, They normally just nobody cares. They just skate.
The fact that he has opened up a flank that's
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going to be a car like do you like hoop
on the streets? Because that's what you're going to vote for?
And that conversation will take place with great sunlight and
attention because Spencer is brilliant at getting that, and then
the same thing with Steve Hilton. You cannot be making
the argument as be Sarah is trying to that California
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needs fixing and I'm the guy to fix it when
your party broke.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
It, no doubt if these results were to hold, Buck
was being the optimistic one for a change off the
start of the show today. How optimistic are you that
Steve Hilton and Spencer Pratt now in one on one runoffs,
would be able to reach across and bring in some
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traditional Democrat voters. Are you optimistic that would occur? Because again,
finally you're down to a head to head. If these
guys can officially get the nod to advance to the runoff.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
I am one hundred percent optimistic.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
And I don't just say that because our cheerleader for
the party. Officially.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
I have seen with my own eyes Democrats coming out
for Spencer and for for Steve. There were even Democrats
who donated to the Republican Party of La County to
help spread the word and get out the vote of
our You know, we're only just under fifteen percent of
the electorate in the city of La but they wanted
to make sure that we have a real conversation and that.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
We can actually have good governance. The people who keep.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Talking about, you know, experience, well, the experience that we've
seen so far has driven us into the ground. And
I say this as someone from a third world country.
I drive from the airport to my family home in
Kingston on nicer streets than I do from lax to
my home in North Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I'm just wondering, and maybe the answer is much longer.
How long does it take, like in Jamaica to count
election Balkans today?
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Pretty much today? To be fair, We'll have a much
better idea in two weeks. I mean, you know it
takes thirty seven days to certify, but really they're going
to jam. You know, two weeks in we'll really know
what we're looking at.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
This is just insane. Thank you for the update.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Will you please keep calling in and updating us as
these counts continue, because I know I speak for a
lot of people out there who voted for Steve Hilton
and who voted for Spence or Pratt and say, I
know how this story is going to end. I've lived
through it before. Democrats keep counting till they get the
numbers they need.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
We're a little bit like Lucy with the foot, you know,
Charlie Brown and Lucy, but the football.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
That I have faith.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Thank you like your faith. Thank you so much for
the call. Thanks for the update. Got such great California listeners, Clay.
Can I take us now to the other side of
the country. Yeah, Maine, Maine, where I'm just gonna tell
you guys this. I don't think this has happened yet.
I have been told by my people, because I know people,
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that there's gonna be some platiner stuff coming down today.
I don't think the story has dropped yet, but more
stuff and possibly some very damaging stuff about this, or
I should say alleged, what's the right word. I am
told it will be very damaging stuff. How about that?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
And potentially knock him out of the race? Damaging stuff
is what you have been told, is company.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
This is what I have been told by people who
know these things. Now, that's not a guarantee, and sometimes
people get this, you know, until you're now. It's coming
from the New York Times, I might add, is where
it is expected to drop. So remember this is pro
Democrat media, and you have to wonder Okay, well, what's
their approach going to be with this? But at least
(25:24):
you have here Senator John Fetterman, who some of you
like to remind us, does vote with Democrats like ninety
percent of the time, but he does say things that
annoy Democrats and occasionally he'll vote with Republicans. So there's
that here. He is on the grand platiner for Senator
situation twenty five. Hit it.
Speaker 8 (25:45):
What kind of a creeper has been on a decade
on a platform like kick and send a dozen explicit
kinds of messages and who knows what else.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
Would it be better for Democrats if he was not
the candidate here?
Speaker 8 (25:58):
Oh, I'm saying it's like, you know, when I was
growing up, if someone had a clear Nazi tattoo on them,
you probably could consume or conclude that there's a Nazi sympathizer.
How you know, at some point you're going to continue
to defend that or dismiss that.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah, that's that's a tough one. By the way, the
Nazi tattoo thing, I think is going to be a
whole lot more defensible, at least politically than what I'm
hearing is likely to come out about Platner in the
next twenty four hours, if not in the next few hours.
Play So what do Democrats do here? I mean, remember
Swallwell just got knocked. Now they had Bisera, So this
(26:41):
is this see what you what you have to keep
in mind is, yes, it was Democrats who took down
Swallwell Well. It's really women who came forward and told
their stories, but Democrat media covered it. But they had
a plan B and Bisera is now either number one
or number two. Well for the time being, I know
we can't really say, but he's clearly a leading contender
(27:02):
and a former Obama guy. So they had a plan B.
What's the plan B? If Platner gets.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Just Janet Millster, they're going to go right back to
Janet Mills, who is the current governor.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
That's who Schumer endorsed.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So they thought that Janet Mills had a better chance
of winning than Graham Platner did. And that's why I
think all these stories are coming out right now. They're
trying to ko him before the primary is Tuesday. This
is crazy stuff. And again I think.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
It's Swallwell two point zero.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I think there's an element of Joe and Kamala and
the way that whole Biden Kamala switch went down. Because
I think they want to knock Graham Platner out of
this race before Tuesday. Remember, and now we've talked about
this on the program before. I don't know when it started.
But you don't drop out anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
You suspend your campaign.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
It's like you're just kind of hanging there like you
you have it quite said, hey, I'm out. You're waiting
to see if some sort of chaos is gonna drop.
And Janet Mills recently came back out. I don't know
if we have that audio. I know we had it
yesterday and she said, Buck, to answer your question. I
think she's letting it be known. She made a big
deal saying I didn't drop out, I just suspended my campaign.
(28:19):
So she is there and is ready to resume the
campaign if there is the force out of Platner. And
I think the fear that they have, Buck is that
Susan Collins is gonna beat a wounded Platner, and so
they're trying to kao him. The fact that it's coming
from the New York Times Tommy Larin. Tommy Larin sent
(28:43):
me a message she said, you know, it's like remember
the horror movie back in the day where that you
you would get like the dun dun dun. The phone
call is coming from inside the house. You remember that
horror story back in the day. It's like, you know, babysitters,
that's like therey, right doesn't that happen in screen?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
And they realize, you.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Know, because I can see you, you know with the
scary well, he's outside.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I'm a scream expert. He's outside the house.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
But the concept is, back in the day, babysitters downstairs,
somebody keeps calling, she keeps hanging up, and then she
calls the police and they say, you need to get
out of the house right now. And she says why
and they say, because that call is coming from upstairs
in your house. Uh, this is the call coming from inside.
So they are threatening. Graham Platner, I would imagine, Buck,
(29:29):
there's probably phone calls going on behind the scenes now
where if you drop out, maybe these stories aren't released
that are as damning as they would be if you
refuse to should drop out. So I think this is
a mess. I would pay attention to it. I think
it is significant and just FYI So I like your call, Buck.
(29:52):
If you look at the prediction markets, Susan Collins is
almost favored now to win that main seat. The money
has been pouring in on her, which suggests to me
people think that Platner is a wounded candidate as we
get ready for that Tuesday primary next week. Also, i'd
(30:13):
point out Buck, the Platner campaign put out a new
poll saying everything is fine, We're not losing any support
at all, and they warn't up very much, and that's
an internal campaign. It just kind of feels like we
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As second hour of Clay and Fuck kicks off right now.
Thanks for being here with us, everybody. Our friend Miranda
Devine of The New York Post and podforst One.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
It's a great lady.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Clay and I both like you've met her in person
a few times, right, Clay, How you bet you guys
have hung out right? Yeah? Yeah, I've had some friends.
She's a great stories. We're big Brandon Divine fans here.
She had a very nice, very nice Some people are
saying with your favorite President.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
A very nice sit down with President Trump.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
It covered some important topics here. First off, on.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
The I saw you, I saw you tweet on this.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Earlier, on this much taba or a little mo as
you as you call him the gaeta, the gayetola. You know,
I start to worry about this, Clay. I don't want
you to end up on some like IRGC list. All right, buddy,
you keep calling him a little more.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
There doesn't seem to be that much pushback on the
idea that he's gay. It's kind of a surprise to
me because I would think being an Iranian religious clue,
you're a cleric, it's not really well accepted if you
happen to be gay.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I'm just saying I don't want you know. I actually
used to work at a place where people that I
knew ended up on like al Qaeda hit lists that
actually happened. Uh and yeah, and so you know nothing,
they're they're fine, they're fine. But it was a little
eerie to see your name turn up on a what
a mine? Didn't you know? Which I guess I wasn't
important enough, but I knew some people who did. And uh,
(33:29):
you know that's you know that because they'll put these
threats out there on the Internet and stuff like that. Nonetheless,
I don't want you getting in too much trouble with
the I ERG see with your gayetot of comments. Okay,
that's all I'm saying. Nonetheless, Trump says that he would
like to meet lil Mo. This is cut seven. This
is from pod pod Force Woman Render Divine play it.
Speaker 10 (33:48):
So we had various levels of people, and the first
set is gone, the second set is gone, part of
the third set is gone.
Speaker 9 (33:54):
And the people we're dealing with, we know they're the
people that are leading the country. Is it the gay eaton? Absolutely? Really?
Speaker 7 (34:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (34:02):
I just think they have a lot of respect for him.
Speaker 11 (34:03):
So is he his compassmentus? He's not sick in hospital
in a coma as well?
Speaker 9 (34:08):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 10 (34:09):
I haven't had the privilege of meeting him, but I'm
not hearing soon. Great, you're doing better if you believe
the stories, is you know, missing a lot of different parts.
Speaker 11 (34:17):
Who's making the decision?
Speaker 10 (34:18):
Well, they say he is giving approval because that's the
way it has been for a long long time, his
father and then him. I guess it's a succession. But
we seem to be getting along quite well.
Speaker 11 (34:30):
Would you like to meet him or meet any of
the Iranians in person?
Speaker 9 (34:33):
I never thought of it. Actually, it's a very good question.
I'll think of it. Yeah, I'd like to meet him.
I'd like to meet everybody. I'd like to meet him.
Speaker 10 (34:38):
We probably will meet at some point, depending on how
it all works out.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
A couple things play real quick here. Did Miranda say
the gay Ayatola?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I think she did. Yeah, I think she yeah. I
mean it's kind of widely discussed. I think the New
York Post was the first paper, if I remember, to
actually put out that Ayatola might be gay, and that
was one reason that they didn't necessarily want him as
the successor. And then there was the decision made that
(35:10):
he should be the successor, and then lots of people
buck don't know where he is or even if he
is still alive. So this is one of the big
challenges I think, is communicating in general with whoever is
making decisions inside of Iran. I'm not even sure we
officially know. And in the meantime, that's also why it
(35:32):
takes so long to go back and forth with different
versions of what's going to happen here.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
So on the Straight of Horror Moves.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I was doing a bunch of reading on the Strait
of hor Moves, as one does, and I do think
one of the signature elements of this discussion, which you
and I have kind of hit on quite a bit,
is who's going to send their ships back in. It's
one thing for the ship to get out of the
(36:01):
Straight of hor Moves and be given the ability to
take their cargo.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Wherever they want to go around the world.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Buck, if you suddenly were not a radio show host.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
And you were.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
You were in charge of international shipping, do you think
maybe you would pick a route that didn't involve the
Straight of hor Moves If you had been captured effectively
held hostage in the Straight of Horror Moves for months,
do you think it might be hard to find a
crew that wants to go back into the Straight of
hor Moves. A lot of discussion about getting the ships out,
(36:37):
and that's important. My question is who's ever going back?
That seems like an awful potential risk to take. If
your ship is making money based on transiting goods, the
danger of being stuck there is pretty substantial. And there
was a huge write up about Lloyd's of London, and
how much we remember when I talked about the insurance
(36:59):
premiums and we had all the insurance agents calling in
and everything else. I still think this is going to
be a massive part of the story because the insurance
premiums have skyrocketed, as you would well imagine at Lloyd's
of London for any of these ships. Are they even
getting right insurance premiums to let ships go back into
(37:20):
the Strait of horor moves given what we've already seen
and done.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I will tell you the word from the White House.
Having just been in DC and talked to some folks
who are very involved on the national security side, they
are not worried at all. They feel very confident that
Trump has got this and it's all going to work out.
I mean that really is the That is the word,
(37:45):
the vibe, whatever, the party line, all the rest of it.
So I did not since they are approaching this with
any concern, I think that their view is, or I
should say their view is from the White House that
Trump is going to get what he wants out of
this and everyone just needs to give more time and
be patient. We'll see. I'm not because the second I'm
(38:08):
just telling you what the word from the White House is.
The second I say this, we're going to get people like,
do you know what I paid for gas this morning?
I'm like, I will sell.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Gas prices are have come back down. I think I saw.
I know they are under four dollars where I am
because that's what I paid this past weekend. But I
also know that nationwide, I think the price of gas
is back down to around four twenty one ish for
(38:36):
for thirty one something in that neighborhood average gas prices. Now,
which I was going to get into this at the
top of the third hour, but in addition to doing
all my research on the strait of horror moves, I
was looking at all the data on how things have
gone in the first several years, purely from an economic perspective,
because we got into that real discussion yesterday, which I
(39:00):
I still think is a big and significant one about
why consumer confidence is so low. And you can say, Okay, well,
there's different things. Gas prices are high. This is not
the worst, not even close to the worst economy we've
ever had in fifty years, So why is there this
(39:20):
sort of national malaise? Yes, there's a certain segment of
the population that hates President Trump. Let's say that's forty
percent of Americans that are just obsessed, that believe that
he is uniquely evil. But and they're not going to
be persuaded that anything is fine. Even if suddenly they
were all multimillionaires, they would still find a reason to
(39:41):
dislike President Trump.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Can I just Trump? Actually was because I was telling
you what the word from the White House is kind
of off, you know, off stage if you will. Uh So,
I'm with some people in DC and was talking to them.
But here is Trump saying, when asked about this specifically,
how does he feel about the IRA situation? This is
again on Podforce one. This is nine hit it.
Speaker 10 (40:04):
I think we're going to be in very good shape.
We're in good shape right now. We have the blockade,
which is amazing. Our mayvy is great. We have the
strongest military in the world.
Speaker 9 (40:14):
I built.
Speaker 10 (40:14):
I built the military on my first through my first term,
and I'm using it during my second term.
Speaker 9 (40:19):
I didn't think I'd be using it this much. But
we had a big success in Venezuela. It was over
in one day. We have a great relationship with the
people in Venezuela.
Speaker 10 (40:27):
The oil companies are moving in now with us, and
that's been that's been a tremendous success, even from the
economic sampoint the oil standpoint. But that was essentially much
less than a one day war and a great success.
And we're having a very great success in a ran militarily.
Speaker 11 (40:42):
So you think the blockhead is still be in place
by label.
Speaker 10 (40:45):
I don't know. I mean, I think it could be,
but I think it's unlikely. I think that will have it.
I think this will resolve itself fairly quickly.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
He's saying it will resolve itself fairly quickly. So there
you go. Take take that as you will. President seems
unbothered by the situation. Doesn't seem like there's more urgency
from him. It's just continued negotiations and the blockade is
in place. So that is where that is something else,
Clay that came up here because this I don't think
(41:16):
we talked to this on the show. There was an
Axios report that Trump called Net and Yahoo and said
you are Trump to Net Yahoo, you are bleeping crazy.
And he was asked about this, and I want you
to hear his response to being asked directly about it.
(41:37):
Play six.
Speaker 11 (41:38):
Do you were angry with him? You said, you effing crazy?
What are you effing doing? I helped you stay out
of jail. Is that true? Did you speak to him
in those chides?
Speaker 9 (41:48):
I always say angry.
Speaker 10 (41:49):
I was a little bit perturbed at his constantly fighting
with Lebanon. You know, at some point I should be
be we got to step this, step it. But I
have a very good relationship. We've done well, done well together.
He always says we could never have done it, but
everybody knows that we could have never done it without
the United States.
Speaker 9 (42:08):
But we've I've worked very well together. I like bybe
a lot, and I've worked very well with him.
Speaker 10 (42:13):
We had a you know where I'm a wartime president,
he's a wartime prime minister, very important part of the world.
And I think we've done, you know, very well. We've
we've gotten alone, very well together.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Yeah. I think he's like, look, we get a little
hot into the collar.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
But I love the guy. It's all good. That seems
to be the takeaway there.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
I think this is funny only in the context of
we have been told by many people on both the
right and the left, because the anti Jewish sentiment has
certainly percolated from the left but also from some elements
of the right that Trump is completely at the behest
of net and Yahoo. And there's tons of evidence, actually,
(42:55):
which is the only logical story here, that Yahoo actually
has to do what Trump wants to do because America
is the huge international power and Israel is not. So
the whole idea of Trump only is acting at the
behest of Net Yahoo has always been crazy, and I
(43:16):
wonder how they calibrate in their minds those people who
have made this argument when Trump is just legitimately cursing
and berating net Yahoo because of some of the choices
net Nyaho is making that he doesn't support. You know what,
there's ten million people who live in Israel. Roughly, there's
three hundred and fifty million people here. Our overall economic
(43:40):
might and military might dwarfs Israel's. Anyone who was arguing
that a country that's roughly the size of New Jersey
was going to be dominating the decision making of the
United States I always think was crazy. But these little
evidence out here I give credit for into the mind
(44:00):
getting that story out. I do think that Israel helped
to convince Trump that there could be a regime change.
I think that's true. But the idea that Israel is
dictating to Trump what they can and can't do is
absolutely here's a good word for you.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
We said this. We said this from the very beginning.
No one dictates to Trump anything. Okay, this is reality.
Do I think that the reporting about nen Yahoo pushing
that there could be regime change and that the time
was right for it is probably accurate? Yes? And did
that end up being a good assessment? It was not
a good assessment, But was that his honest assessment? That's
(44:36):
you know, to each his own on the analysis there.
But Trump believed or you know, Trump was like, Okay,
I'll do that, I'll do that. There wasn't some leverage,
There wasn't some special button that net Yahoo could hit
where he goes, oh, okay, Trump will do whatever. That
button doesn't exist. And we said that from the very beginning.
Trump is going to do what Trump is going to do.
And he acted as he thought was in the best
(44:58):
interest of this country, as can or in chief. And
he seems very still at peace with the decision, even
though the perhaps delay in some of this has got
some people a little a little bit concerned, but we'll see,
we'll see how it well, we're gonna look.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Into this, as Trump says, We're gonna look at this.
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(46:43):
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It was great. Clay take it away.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yes, So we're still waiting to see what the results
are going to be in California, unfortunately, but we do
have results from Iowa and there was a bit of
an upset as Zach Lane has beaten Randy Feenstra. Zach
Lane is going to be the Iowa nominee for the
(47:11):
Republican Party to be the next governor of Iowa. And
I saw this circulating now that Zach Lane has won
the primary very close race in Iowa. He challenged Barack
Obama back in two thousand and nine about Obamacare.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
This is going viral. He also is a big fan
of Russia. Limbaugh.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
We need to get him on the radio program. But
I thought you guys would enjoy this. We have broken
it up into two parts. This is back in two
thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (47:41):
This is from Grand Junction, Colorado on Saturday. Obama and
a town hall meeting Zach Lane.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
I'd love to have a debate, just all out, anytime,
Oxford style.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
If you'd like.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
I understand I'm willing to do that. But my question
is this. We all know the best way to reduce
prices in this economy is to increase competition. How in
the world can a private corporation providing insurance compete with
an entity that does not have to worry about making
a profit, does not have to pay local property taxes,
(48:16):
they do not have to they're not subject to local regulations.
How can a company compete with that? And I'm not
looking for anything. I don't want generalities, i don't philosophical arguments.
I'm just asking a question.
Speaker 12 (48:27):
This kid is amazing, and there's no question in my mind.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
This kid listens to this program in.
Speaker 12 (48:32):
Fact, well now really, and there's a New York Times
column today Ross spout it and he just point blank
says that these town hall meetings are filled with limball listeners.
How does a private entity compete with a company he
doesn't have to make a profit. The government stop talking
generalities and philosophical arguments.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
This kid zactly.
Speaker 12 (48:50):
This student challenges the president to a debate then with
one simple question, an Obama can't answer. Nukes the entire
foundation of Obama care.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
I thought this, this was awesome.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
We have a second part of the clip, but that
is Russia limbaw giving a shout out in two thousand
and nine to the current nominee to be the next
governor of Iowa on behalf of the Republican Party. That's
pretty cool, right, this is going viral. Here's the second part.
I think this is Obama responding to Zach Lane's question. Again,
(49:23):
Zach Lane back in the day, going at it with
Obama over Obama care listen.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Listen to this answer.
Speaker 13 (49:29):
It is true that there are certain costs associated with
a private business that a government would not have to
worry about.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
You mentioned a couple of them.
Speaker 14 (49:38):
It's conceivable that a private entity that's having to pay
a certain interest rate for their money would be really
undermined if the government is able to get money much
cheaper implicitly because Uncle Sam backs this operation. I think
there are ways that we can address those competitive issues.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
And you're absolutely right. If they're not entirely.
Speaker 13 (49:58):
Addressed then and that raises a set of legitimate problems.
Speaker 15 (50:02):
Well, here you have a rambling answer, and Obama just
agreed with the student and explained why the centerpiece of
his plan, the public option, won't work because he can
print money.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
He didn't say that, but when he says, well, uncle.
Speaker 12 (50:16):
Sam got money much cheaper implicitly because Uncle Sam beck printed.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Our tax people just go ahead and take it from people.
Private insurance companies can't do that.
Speaker 15 (50:30):
So this student gets Obama to admit that his whole
plan won't work, as he himself said.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
This kid is amazing.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
I just what a perfect circle here now, Zach Lane, Congratulations,
The Iowa Republican nominee to be the next governor of
the state of Iowa.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
And I would imagine when you get him on the program.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
But I would imagine that anyone listening to us right
now in Iowa is pretty gung ho about going to
vote for this guy. And certainly major salute from us
on behalf of the rush and this program to taking
people back to two thousand and nine and now it's
come full circle.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
That's scare we I like, I like, I like how
we brought it all full circle tod at the end.
You know what I'm saying, There's some there's some balance
to that, there's some synchronicity.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
You could say, that's how we want to watch. You're
gonna watch your Knicks tonight? Are they gonna win?
Speaker 3 (51:25):
I am the Spurs, the Knicks in six, My friends,
the Knicks in six.
Welcome back in playing Buck. Okay, we continue to monitor
the ongoing ballots coming in in the LA mayors race
and also in the California governor's race. Our friend Steve
Hilton in a very good spot right now. But the counting,
as I was just saying, is going to be going
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on for so long that it is infuriating to me.
There are, however, a couple of other big stories that
are out there, Buck, and I did want to mention
this because it's kind of snow flown under the radar
a bit, because it came out right as all this
voting was happening in the primaries. The Supreme Court has
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allowed the new Alabama map. So, in the wake of
cala versus Louisiana, which was the racial jerrymanderin case my
home state of Tennessee, Alabama and Louisiana have all redrawn
their congressional districts. The judges and all Labama said this
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is impermissible, and they struck down the new map that
Alabama had drawn.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
The Supreme Court almost immediately.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Took up this case and pushed back six to three,
the same margin as the Calais decision, and said, no,
we have to this Alabama map is constitutional. Buck, Why
does this matter? Some of you may say, well, one,
it is an additional Republican district in the state of Alabama,
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It's an additional Republican district in the state of Louisiana,
And it's an additional Republican district in the state of Tennessee.
That is three additional districts. South Carolina elected not to
redraw its district map. Georgia has made the same decision.
Mississippi has made the same decision. This further makes it
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clear that all three of those states have the ability
to go in and redraw their maps. It also makes
Florida's map far more likely, which was already redrawn, to
be able to stand and is going to fundamentally reconfigure
much of what is going on in many of the
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southern states where racially jerrymander districts had been the law
of the land for the past couple of generations. So
this will have not only a big impact coming up
in the fall, potentially depending on how close this ends
up being, but also I think is going to be
quite significant when you look at Mississippi, South Carolina, and
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Georgia redistricting. This is a story worth paying attention to
for twenty twenty eight. And here is the bigger picture
story that I think is significant Buck. Once the twenty
thirty census comes down, the Democrat pathway to a majority
in the House, if they continue to run with the
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same part already ideals with which they are imbued right now,
almost becomes a mathematical impossibility. And what you say, what
do we mean by that, Clay? The population that is
surging into states like Florida where Buck is, Tennessee where
I am, Texas, where our biggest audience is, among others,
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red state populations are soaring. And this is going to
have a transformative impact when the new census comes out,
not only in the House, but also for the electoral college,
where the pathway for Democrats to win by running the
table in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, for instance, is going
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to cease to exist.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
When you want to talk about Scott Pelly getting his
ass booted from sixty minutes Beau, that was fun.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You might want to that was fun. Dive into that.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I love this, Yes, your political analysis and of the
map as a stute, and we're going to be getting
more and more into that of course, as we get
close or to the actual election, which is going to
be pivotal, and look, I have the greatest hope that
Trump is able to help corral the Republicans and the
party such that they maintain the House and the Senate,
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because otherwise, as we know, it's just they jam up.
They jam up the President as much as they can.
If they get the House, they're going to impeach him again.
It's just going to be a mess. Doesn't mean that
there's not a lot that will still be done and accomplished.
It just means that things will get well mess here
in the meantime. Yeah, do you want to do sixty
minutes or if you have more political stuff? I'm not
(04:35):
that is.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I wanted to make sure that we mentioned that ruling
because I think it's gotten kind of snowed under with
all of the election results coming in last night, and
I do.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Think it's really significant.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I love this sixty minute story because this is the
sixty minutes reporters are I think the most arrogant and
lacking in basic COMPREHENDI of the modern media environment of
almost anyone out there. This guy Pelly sixty minutes makes
millions of dollars a year to do a few stories
(05:10):
a year, and I think this is significant. Two buck,
the only reason anybody watches sixty Minutes is because they
put it on right after the NFL games. Anybody who
like me, spends a lot of time watching the NFL games,
they start advertising sixty minutes.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Buck. They could put me doing a flute.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Recital on CBS right after the NFL and we got
to give the ladies something to look at. I mean,
shirtless shirtless flute Clay I think gets millions of views
after the Super Bowl, tens of millions of viewers right
after the NFL. So they're so cocky about how many
people watch sixty minutes and nobody ever points out, yeah,
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because they put it on right after the NFL game.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
We've seen this with so many of these people who
they become their egomaniacs, and they have no sense of
humility about the fact that they're incredibly I mean Jimmy
Kimmel is one of them, for example. I know that's
on the comedy side allegedly, but these people are handed
massive platforms now just just to clear the air. By
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the way, somebody might say, oh, well, you guys are
here and like Rush built. First of all, we always
say Rush built this house that we are in, and
we honor him and we appreciate him. And Rush taught
me how to do radio over many years of listening
to him, and I used to fill in for Rush
and all that. But also Clay independently had a successful
radio is like trench warfare every station, every ratings period.
(06:36):
You have to prove yourself. You have to prove yourself.
Clay had a successful show in the morning. I had
a successful show in the evening, and they combined us.
Nobody just sort of said out of nowhere, Hey, you
haven't been doing this for over a decade and gotten
proven results day in and day out, and you know
and shown what you know, We're just gonna give this
to you. Like Trevor Noah the best example of us.
(06:56):
By the way, never even heard of this guy, and
they hand on the Daily Show. Now I understand with
some of these people at CBS, you'll say, well, they've
been in this for a long time. Yes, they happen
to be able to be in a place where they
had a tremendous built in audience, a lot of resources,
and they're in a very fortunate position. But they're incredibly replaceable.
And that's the part of this play for media personalities
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that they don't get at all. In this current era,
you're you know, it's either the platform or the talent.
Most of the time that is drawing, you know, drawing
the eyeballs. And Scott Pelly just sounds like the most
pomposhed douchebag on the planet, honestly, and that is I
think the proper term for him. He is so wildly
in love with the importance of the work that he's
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done at sixty minutes and there's no also clay accountability
for these clowns, the so called elite journal journalist types
from sixty Minutes is probably the best example of this,
but other places too. They destroyed the public's faith in
what they do. No one believes them anymore, no one
thinks they're unbiased anymore. And he went in there and
basically told his boss, screw you, I don't have to
(08:02):
listen to you.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Well, guess what when you do that, you get fired. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I saw the reporting around this for people who don't know.
They hired a new producer basically to run the show.
They had their first meeting and this guy showed up
and denigrated and insulted his boss in front of the
whole group. For the first meeting, the boss had previously
reached out to everybody individually and said, Hey, can we
(08:30):
meet can we talk about how to make the show better?
After that event, he then reached out again and said, Hey,
can we start back over? Can we go have a meeting?
And he's refusing to do it. I just they're going
to try to turn this guy into a free speech warrior,
because that's what they do. But for all of you
out there that are employed, if you showed up at
(08:50):
an all hands meeting after refusing to meet with your
new boss, you insulted him in front of everybody in
the meeting, He then reached out and asked you to
meet again, and you refuse to do so.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
What do you expect is going to happen now? Pelly?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I think Buck in this situation wanted to get fired.
But I think what you're laying out is really significant here.
Pelly comes from a world where you get a job
and that job makes you a star, and there used
to be a lot of jobs like that in media. Hey,
I'm going to put you on the nightly news and
the reality is any warm body, they could have put
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twenty people in that chair and they would have done fine.
The Internet, really, which is where I came from, where
you came from, is a really knockdown, dragout meritocracy where
you have to grind to develop any kind of audience,
and the top down world of Hey, I'm going to
give you an anchor chair and pay you millions of
(09:54):
dollars a year to do how many stories a year
to Scott Pelley do probably five or six. It's one
of the cushiest jobs on the planet. And these guys
all act like they are heroes. He said he was
in combat, yes, a medical trying to defend himself buck
in Afghanistan, in Iraq.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
He's a friggin guy with a camera.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
He observed people in combat and not really in the
actually dangerous of a cop course of their combat. A
lot of the time these guys would I saw them
because I was there too. By the way I observed combat,
I had to carry a gun and was technically a combatant,
but I did not get in combat myself. That is
(10:36):
a a different I wasn't a helicopter where they started
shooting at people, but I wasn't shooting, so I was observing,
point being, this guy is alone in terms of his
love of self. I mean, his narcissism is pathological, and
I just think it's also the last gasp of this
overpaid sorry boomers boomer generation of TV news star in
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an era where now everyone the expectation is whether you
like someone's content or not. You know, Clay, we got
used to doing this business. You sit at a microphone
and go, Yeah, it was no video when I started,
no video when you started, and you know that's now
a piece of it too. So maybe it's you sit
at a at a webcam and a microphone and you
go and can you be worth people's time? A lot
(11:22):
of these Dan I worked for Dan Rather as an intern,
but I worked for Dan Rather for six months. Let
me tell you, he is a He is a stupid
blowhard and not a guy that you would want to
spend any time with or around. That's reality. These guys
were getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and they
really deluded themselves into thinking that that wasn't based on
their relationships with the TV execs at these corporate media
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outlets who liked them and just sort of kept writing
the checks for them, but it was because they were
so important in your replacement. Look at them.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
You know, where's the huge Brian Williams project?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Since he got booted from NBC, I know, I think
about women is just kind of floundering around. He got
charged with crimes. Here's a funny example of this. I
don't Brandy Kruz and I might be mispronouncing her last
name posted. And this is similar to what you were
just talking about with Dan Ratherbuck. I was an intern
at CBS News when Pelly would fill in for Katie
Kirk on the Evening News. I watched in the control
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room one day as he directed them to slowly push
the shot in on him as he took his glasses off.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
It was so fake. I've remembered it for fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I was kind of laughing about this because you think,
like the news guy is like such a big note. Look,
I'm getting serious now, let me take my glasses off.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
They're basically anchored. I mean sorry, actors rather, yeah, anchors
are essentially especially in this kind of a role.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yes, are actors.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
And also, I might add in this era of media too,
the era you and I grew up and you had
other jobs. I had other jobs before doing this too.
A lot of these guys have never known anything other
than the the warm embrace of the lib Corp news
media apparatus that they've been able to, you know, become
very financially successful, want to become very famous in But
(13:08):
I'll tell you this too. When I worked at CBS
Eving News, the people and they were horrible. Yeah, I
actually was. If people asked me, they're like, well, you
worked there and then you went into like Middle Eastern studies,
into the CIA thing. Yeah, because the people that I
came across at CBS Eving News, for the most part,
there were young staffers there who were really like, they
were nice people and they were trying to start their careers.
But the more senior people and the overall and Dan
(13:30):
Rather and the overall ethos of that place took itself
way too seriously. People were nasty to each other, People
were jerks in the control room, jerks outside of the
control room. And that was the by the way, that's
CBS Eving News everybody. So I had some real personal
experience of this, and I I came out of dan Rather,
I think was making seven million dollars a year in
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two thousand when I was working there. I just knew
that because I was there and people talk about it,
which would be like making fifteen million dollars a year now,
and and I just remember being like, you could replace
him with fifty people tomorrow and nobody would even notice.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
And he's a jerk. And then the National Guard document
story happened.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Whoops.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Well, I mean, I think that's the lesson of sixty minutes,
is what they're trying to do is recognize that they're
not going to forever have the great time slot right
after the NFL. If you put sixty minutes at eight
pm at night, nobody would watch it. And again, the
benefit of getting that job and also having the opportunity
(14:29):
to talk in that situation and being totally without knowledge
for how replaceable you are is absolute perfection here to me.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Wasn't it just sixty minutes? Was was it? Leslie Stall
who did the whole thing with Trump where she's like, yeah,
we can't, we can't say that.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
They said they they claimed that the that the overall
Hunter Biden laptop was impossible to verify and it was
all made up, And he said no, I mean it's
He's right, it's all there. It's all one hundred percent accurate.
Just a propaganda outfit. By the way, God bless Barry Weisse,
Good luck to you.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Clean it up. She's going to try to make it
worth watching. She's going to try to make it a
place where they do interesting stories that people who want
to know stuff about what's happening can go instead of
smug lib propaganda for boomers who have been watching these
clowns and have no interest in actually figuring out what's
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Speaker 3 (16:40):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Bucks. So I
had a lot of talk there about the situations that
Donald Trump is handling. It's got a whole range of
things on his plate as the commander in chief. Would
tend to something else that's going on here though, Clay,
I know you talked about it, Yes, what it would have.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
We got a caller who was calling in to update
us on the amount of time it's going to take
to count.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
She called in with us the other day. Good Roxanne Hoge.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I believe you can let us let me know if
I'm pronouncing your last name correctly or not. I saw
you just tweet and I had the team reach out
to you. Thirty seven days is the current tracker of
how long it's going to take for all of these
California votes to be tabulated.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Oh yes, sir, it's hogue rhymes with rogue. But the
most important thing is that, yes, California for years. This
predates COVID, This predates are all the mail in elections
they normally get thirty days. I don't know if they
gave themselves a holiday boost for the fourth of July,
but we are looking.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
At a timeline that we.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
Will not have certified results until July tenth.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
That's insane, that's insane.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Why can you try to help us understand, Roxanne, cool name,
by the way, Why is that the way? Look?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
How can anyone think that that's okay?
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Well? I think and I'm getting inside their minds. Now,
they've always taken a very long time to add in
the mail in ballots, and now that we've gone to
all mail in, so even if people drop off their
ballots on election day, at a vote center they count.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
As mail in.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
They give seven days for ballots to arrive. But even
before that, like last night, the first batch of results
we got weren't from the electronic vote machines in vote centers.
One would think that you can tabulate that, like you
could go on Twitter slash x right now, put up
a survey that last twelve hours, and when the survey closes,
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you would see the results. I honestly do not understand
why the electronic vote tabulation takes so long. If you
look at the Registrar of Voters in Los.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Angeles, which they do a good job, but I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
I it's union breaks, what it is. They are going
to do updates. It's going to be an update today
that's going to report it at four pm Pacific, and
then we don't get another one till tomorrow at four pm,
and then Friday, like they're keeping bankers hours for something
that's incredibly important.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
This is important, too, you said, and I don't remember.
You correct me if I'm wrong. I don't remember in
the nineties or the early two thousands that there was
this issue with California votes being tabulated, and buck is
in Florida right now.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Obviously all of us.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Remember what happened in Florida in two thousand when it
took forever to decide who won that state and Florida
fixed everything. And now a couple of hours after Florida
is done with the votes, they shut down the ballots.
We know exactly what the results are. It's instantaneous. When
did California start doing this? And obviously it's intentional on
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their idea is, oh, this is going to allow us
to get a higher voter participation rate, I'm sure is
what they're saying. But this is I think, frankly, an
excusable and indefensible to the rest of the country, and
I know for many Californians as well well.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
It's been going on for at least a decade. I
don't know if you guys remember Congresswoman Young Kim was
declared a winner, went to DC, did her freshman orientation
in Congress, and then too bad, so Sad was replaced.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
And that was back in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Or twenty twenty.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
I think it happened, you know, with Rick.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Caruso in the La mayoral race. Oh yay, he won,
and then all the other ballots come in and in
terms of them claiming that we've increased turnout, I mean,
right now, you know La County is looking maybe we're
lucky we'll hit twenty five twenty eight percent turnout. But
that's the crazy thing. We don't even know what the
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denominator of votes passed will be for a full week.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So how are you feeling about? Not forget about the
vote counting part of it, because that's obviously a mess.
But from what we've seen so far, are you optimistic
given the strong initial showing from Steve Hilton and from
Spencer Pratt, what's your sense of it?
Speaker 6 (21:18):
I'm cautiously optimistic. But what I'm really happy about is
that we are now going to have conversations about the
best way to run something. The fact that Karen Bass
couldn't win out right, when Democrat politicians here who are
incumbents just skate, They normally just nobody cares. They just skate.
The fact that he has opened up a flank that's
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going to be a car like do you like hoop
on the streets? Because that's what you're going to vote for?
And that conversation will take place with great sunlight and
attention because Spencer is brilliant at getting that, and then
the same thing with Steve Hilton. You cannot be making
the argument as be Sarah is trying to that California
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needs fixing and I'm the guy to fix it when
your party broke.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
It, no doubt if these results were to hold, Buck
was being the optimistic one for a change off the
start of the show today. How optimistic are you that
Steve Hilton and Spencer Pratt now in one on one runoffs,
would be able to reach across and bring in some
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traditional Democrat voters. Are you optimistic that would occur? Because again,
finally you're down to a head to head. If these
guys can officially get the nod to advance to the runoff.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
I am one hundred percent optimistic.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
And I don't just say that because our cheerleader for
the party. Officially.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
I have seen with my own eyes Democrats coming out
for Spencer and for for Steve. There were even Democrats
who donated to the Republican Party of La County to
help spread the word and get out the vote of
our You know, we're only just under fifteen percent of
the electorate in the city of La but they wanted
to make sure that we have a real conversation and that.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
We can actually have good governance. The people who keep.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Talking about, you know, experience, well, the experience that we've
seen so far has driven us into the ground. And
I say this as someone from a third world country.
I drive from the airport to my family home in
Kingston on nicer streets than I do from lax to
my home in North Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I'm just wondering, and maybe the answer is much longer.
How long does it take, like in Jamaica to count
election Balkans today?
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Pretty much today? To be fair, We'll have a much
better idea in two weeks. I mean, you know it
takes thirty seven days to certify, but really they're going
to jam. You know, two weeks in we'll really know
what we're looking at.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
This is just insane. Thank you for the update.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Will you please keep calling in and updating us as
these counts continue, because I know I speak for a
lot of people out there who voted for Steve Hilton
and who voted for Spence or Pratt and say, I
know how this story is going to end. I've lived
through it before. Democrats keep counting till they get the
numbers they need.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
We're a little bit like Lucy with the foot, you know,
Charlie Brown and Lucy, but the football.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
That I have faith.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Thank you like your faith. Thank you so much for
the call. Thanks for the update. Got such great California listeners, Clay.
Can I take us now to the other side of
the country. Yeah, Maine, Maine, where I'm just gonna tell
you guys this. I don't think this has happened yet.
I have been told by my people, because I know people,
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that there's gonna be some platiner stuff coming down today.
I don't think the story has dropped yet, but more
stuff and possibly some very damaging stuff about this, or
I should say alleged, what's the right word. I am
told it will be very damaging stuff. How about that?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
And potentially knock him out of the race? Damaging stuff
is what you have been told, is company.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
This is what I have been told by people who
know these things. Now, that's not a guarantee, and sometimes
people get this, you know, until you're now. It's coming
from the New York Times, I might add, is where
it is expected to drop. So remember this is pro
Democrat media, and you have to wonder Okay, well, what's
their approach going to be with this? But at least
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you have here Senator John Fetterman, who some of you
like to remind us, does vote with Democrats like ninety
percent of the time, but he does say things that
annoy Democrats and occasionally he'll vote with Republicans. So there's
that here. He is on the grand platiner for Senator
situation twenty five. Hit it.
Speaker 8 (25:45):
What kind of a creeper has been on a decade
on a platform like kick and send a dozen explicit
kinds of messages and who knows what else.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
Would it be better for Democrats if he was not
the candidate here?
Speaker 8 (25:58):
Oh, I'm saying it's like, you know, when I was
growing up, if someone had a clear Nazi tattoo on them,
you probably could consume or conclude that there's a Nazi sympathizer.
How you know, at some point you're going to continue
to defend that or dismiss that.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah, that's that's a tough one. By the way, the
Nazi tattoo thing, I think is going to be a
whole lot more defensible, at least politically than what I'm
hearing is likely to come out about Platner in the
next twenty four hours, if not in the next few hours.
Play So what do Democrats do here? I mean, remember
Swallwell just got knocked. Now they had Bisera, So this
(26:41):
is this see what you what you have to keep
in mind is, yes, it was Democrats who took down
Swallwell Well. It's really women who came forward and told
their stories, but Democrat media covered it. But they had
a plan B and Bisera is now either number one
or number two. Well for the time being, I know
we can't really say, but he's clearly a leading contender
(27:02):
and a former Obama guy. So they had a plan B.
What's the plan B? If Platner gets.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Just Janet Millster, they're going to go right back to
Janet Mills, who is the current governor.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
That's who Schumer endorsed.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So they thought that Janet Mills had a better chance
of winning than Graham Platner did. And that's why I
think all these stories are coming out right now. They're
trying to ko him before the primary is Tuesday. This
is crazy stuff. And again I think.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
It's Swallwell two point zero.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I think there's an element of Joe and Kamala and
the way that whole Biden Kamala switch went down. Because
I think they want to knock Graham Platner out of
this race before Tuesday. Remember, and now we've talked about
this on the program before. I don't know when it started.
But you don't drop out anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
You suspend your campaign.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
It's like you're just kind of hanging there like you
you have it quite said, hey, I'm out. You're waiting
to see if some sort of chaos is gonna drop.
And Janet Mills recently came back out. I don't know
if we have that audio. I know we had it
yesterday and she said, Buck, to answer your question. I
think she's letting it be known. She made a big
deal saying I didn't drop out, I just suspended my campaign.
(28:19):
So she is there and is ready to resume the
campaign if there is the force out of Platner. And
I think the fear that they have, Buck is that
Susan Collins is gonna beat a wounded Platner, and so
they're trying to kao him. The fact that it's coming
from the New York Times Tommy Larin. Tommy Larin sent
(28:43):
me a message she said, you know, it's like remember
the horror movie back in the day where that you
you would get like the dun dun dun. The phone
call is coming from inside the house. You remember that
horror story back in the day. It's like, you know, babysitters,
that's like therey, right doesn't that happen in screen?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
And they realize, you.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Know, because I can see you, you know with the
scary well, he's outside.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I'm a scream expert. He's outside the house.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
But the concept is, back in the day, babysitters downstairs,
somebody keeps calling, she keeps hanging up, and then she
calls the police and they say, you need to get
out of the house right now. And she says why
and they say, because that call is coming from upstairs
in your house. Uh, this is the call coming from inside.
So they are threatening. Graham Platner, I would imagine, Buck,
(29:29):
there's probably phone calls going on behind the scenes now
where if you drop out, maybe these stories aren't released
that are as damning as they would be if you
refuse to should drop out. So I think this is
a mess. I would pay attention to it. I think
it is significant and just FYI So I like your call, Buck.
(29:52):
If you look at the prediction markets, Susan Collins is
almost favored now to win that main seat. The money
has been pouring in on her, which suggests to me
people think that Platner is a wounded candidate as we
get ready for that Tuesday primary next week. Also, i'd
(30:13):
point out Buck, the Platner campaign put out a new
poll saying everything is fine, We're not losing any support
at all, and they warn't up very much, and that's
an internal campaign. It just kind of feels like we
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Thanks for being here with us, everybody. Our friend Miranda
Devine of The New York Post and podforst One.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
It's a great lady.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Clay and I both like you've met her in person
a few times, right, Clay, How you bet you guys
have hung out right? Yeah? Yeah, I've had some friends.
She's a great stories. We're big Brandon Divine fans here.
She had a very nice, very nice Some people are
saying with your favorite President.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
A very nice sit down with President Trump.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
It covered some important topics here. First off, on.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
The I saw you, I saw you tweet on this.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Earlier, on this much taba or a little mo as
you as you call him the gaeta, the gayetola. You know,
I start to worry about this, Clay. I don't want
you to end up on some like IRGC list. All right, buddy,
you keep calling him a little more.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
There doesn't seem to be that much pushback on the
idea that he's gay. It's kind of a surprise to
me because I would think being an Iranian religious clue,
you're a cleric, it's not really well accepted if you
happen to be gay.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I'm just saying I don't want you know. I actually
used to work at a place where people that I
knew ended up on like al Qaeda hit lists that
actually happened. Uh and yeah, and so you know nothing,
they're they're fine, they're fine. But it was a little
eerie to see your name turn up on a what
a mine? Didn't you know? Which I guess I wasn't
important enough, but I knew some people who did. And uh,
(33:29):
you know that's you know that because they'll put these
threats out there on the Internet and stuff like that. Nonetheless,
I don't want you getting in too much trouble with
the I ERG see with your gayetot of comments. Okay,
that's all I'm saying. Nonetheless, Trump says that he would
like to meet lil Mo. This is cut seven. This
is from pod pod Force Woman Render Divine play it.
Speaker 10 (33:48):
So we had various levels of people, and the first
set is gone, the second set is gone, part of
the third set is gone.
Speaker 9 (33:54):
And the people we're dealing with, we know they're the
people that are leading the country. Is it the gay eaton? Absolutely? Really?
Speaker 7 (34:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (34:02):
I just think they have a lot of respect for him.
Speaker 11 (34:03):
So is he his compassmentus? He's not sick in hospital
in a coma as well?
Speaker 9 (34:08):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 10 (34:09):
I haven't had the privilege of meeting him, but I'm
not hearing soon. Great, you're doing better if you believe
the stories, is you know, missing a lot of different parts.
Speaker 11 (34:17):
Who's making the decision?
Speaker 10 (34:18):
Well, they say he is giving approval because that's the
way it has been for a long long time, his
father and then him. I guess it's a succession. But
we seem to be getting along quite well.
Speaker 11 (34:30):
Would you like to meet him or meet any of
the Iranians in person?
Speaker 9 (34:33):
I never thought of it. Actually, it's a very good question.
I'll think of it. Yeah, I'd like to meet him.
I'd like to meet everybody. I'd like to meet him.
Speaker 10 (34:38):
We probably will meet at some point, depending on how
it all works out.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
A couple things play real quick here. Did Miranda say
the gay Ayatola?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I think she did. Yeah, I think she yeah. I
mean it's kind of widely discussed. I think the New
York Post was the first paper, if I remember, to
actually put out that Ayatola might be gay, and that
was one reason that they didn't necessarily want him as
the successor. And then there was the decision made that
(35:10):
he should be the successor, and then lots of people
buck don't know where he is or even if he
is still alive. So this is one of the big
challenges I think, is communicating in general with whoever is
making decisions inside of Iran. I'm not even sure we
officially know. And in the meantime, that's also why it
(35:32):
takes so long to go back and forth with different
versions of what's going to happen here.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
So on the Straight of Horror Moves.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I was doing a bunch of reading on the Strait
of hor Moves, as one does, and I do think
one of the signature elements of this discussion, which you
and I have kind of hit on quite a bit,
is who's going to send their ships back in. It's
one thing for the ship to get out of the
(36:01):
Straight of hor Moves and be given the ability to
take their cargo.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Wherever they want to go around the world.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Buck, if you suddenly were not a radio show host.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
And you were.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
You were in charge of international shipping, do you think
maybe you would pick a route that didn't involve the
Straight of hor Moves If you had been captured effectively
held hostage in the Straight of Horror Moves for months,
do you think it might be hard to find a
crew that wants to go back into the Straight of
hor Moves. A lot of discussion about getting the ships out,
(36:37):
and that's important. My question is who's ever going back?
That seems like an awful potential risk to take. If
your ship is making money based on transiting goods, the
danger of being stuck there is pretty substantial. And there
was a huge write up about Lloyd's of London, and
how much we remember when I talked about the insurance
(36:59):
premiums and we had all the insurance agents calling in
and everything else. I still think this is going to
be a massive part of the story because the insurance
premiums have skyrocketed, as you would well imagine at Lloyd's
of London for any of these ships. Are they even
getting right insurance premiums to let ships go back into
(37:20):
the Strait of horor moves given what we've already seen
and done.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I will tell you the word from the White House.
Having just been in DC and talked to some folks
who are very involved on the national security side, they
are not worried at all. They feel very confident that
Trump has got this and it's all going to work out.
I mean that really is the That is the word,
(37:45):
the vibe, whatever, the party line, all the rest of it.
So I did not since they are approaching this with
any concern, I think that their view is, or I
should say their view is from the White House that
Trump is going to get what he wants out of
this and everyone just needs to give more time and
be patient. We'll see. I'm not because the second I'm
(38:08):
just telling you what the word from the White House is.
The second I say this, we're going to get people like,
do you know what I paid for gas this morning?
I'm like, I will sell.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Gas prices are have come back down. I think I saw.
I know they are under four dollars where I am
because that's what I paid this past weekend. But I
also know that nationwide, I think the price of gas
is back down to around four twenty one ish for
(38:36):
for thirty one something in that neighborhood average gas prices. Now,
which I was going to get into this at the
top of the third hour, but in addition to doing
all my research on the strait of horror moves, I
was looking at all the data on how things have
gone in the first several years, purely from an economic perspective,
because we got into that real discussion yesterday, which I
(39:00):
I still think is a big and significant one about
why consumer confidence is so low. And you can say, Okay, well,
there's different things. Gas prices are high. This is not
the worst, not even close to the worst economy we've
ever had in fifty years, So why is there this
(39:20):
sort of national malaise? Yes, there's a certain segment of
the population that hates President Trump. Let's say that's forty
percent of Americans that are just obsessed, that believe that
he is uniquely evil. But and they're not going to
be persuaded that anything is fine. Even if suddenly they
were all multimillionaires, they would still find a reason to
(39:41):
dislike President Trump.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Can I just Trump? Actually was because I was telling
you what the word from the White House is kind
of off, you know, off stage if you will. Uh So,
I'm with some people in DC and was talking to them.
But here is Trump saying, when asked about this specifically,
how does he feel about the IRA situation? This is
again on Podforce one. This is nine hit it.
Speaker 10 (40:04):
I think we're going to be in very good shape.
We're in good shape right now. We have the blockade,
which is amazing. Our mayvy is great. We have the
strongest military in the world.
Speaker 9 (40:14):
I built.
Speaker 10 (40:14):
I built the military on my first through my first term,
and I'm using it during my second term.
Speaker 9 (40:19):
I didn't think I'd be using it this much. But
we had a big success in Venezuela. It was over
in one day. We have a great relationship with the
people in Venezuela.
Speaker 10 (40:27):
The oil companies are moving in now with us, and
that's been that's been a tremendous success, even from the
economic sampoint the oil standpoint. But that was essentially much
less than a one day war and a great success.
And we're having a very great success in a ran militarily.
Speaker 11 (40:42):
So you think the blockhead is still be in place
by label.
Speaker 10 (40:45):
I don't know. I mean, I think it could be,
but I think it's unlikely. I think that will have it.
I think this will resolve itself fairly quickly.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
He's saying it will resolve itself fairly quickly. So there
you go. Take take that as you will. President seems
unbothered by the situation. Doesn't seem like there's more urgency
from him. It's just continued negotiations and the blockade is
in place. So that is where that is something else,
Clay that came up here because this I don't think
(41:16):
we talked to this on the show. There was an
Axios report that Trump called Net and Yahoo and said
you are Trump to Net Yahoo, you are bleeping crazy.
And he was asked about this, and I want you
to hear his response to being asked directly about it.
(41:37):
Play six.
Speaker 11 (41:38):
Do you were angry with him? You said, you effing crazy?
What are you effing doing? I helped you stay out
of jail. Is that true? Did you speak to him
in those chides?
Speaker 9 (41:48):
I always say angry.
Speaker 10 (41:49):
I was a little bit perturbed at his constantly fighting
with Lebanon. You know, at some point I should be
be we got to step this, step it. But I
have a very good relationship. We've done well, done well together.
He always says we could never have done it, but
everybody knows that we could have never done it without
the United States.
Speaker 9 (42:08):
But we've I've worked very well together. I like bybe
a lot, and I've worked very well with him.
Speaker 10 (42:13):
We had a you know where I'm a wartime president,
he's a wartime prime minister, very important part of the world.
And I think we've done, you know, very well. We've
we've gotten alone, very well together.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Yeah. I think he's like, look, we get a little
hot into the collar.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
But I love the guy. It's all good. That seems
to be the takeaway there.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
I think this is funny only in the context of
we have been told by many people on both the
right and the left, because the anti Jewish sentiment has
certainly percolated from the left but also from some elements
of the right that Trump is completely at the behest
of net and Yahoo. And there's tons of evidence, actually,
(42:55):
which is the only logical story here, that Yahoo actually
has to do what Trump wants to do because America
is the huge international power and Israel is not. So
the whole idea of Trump only is acting at the
behest of Net Yahoo has always been crazy, and I
(43:16):
wonder how they calibrate in their minds those people who
have made this argument when Trump is just legitimately cursing
and berating net Yahoo because of some of the choices
net Nyaho is making that he doesn't support. You know what,
there's ten million people who live in Israel. Roughly, there's
three hundred and fifty million people here. Our overall economic
(43:40):
might and military might dwarfs Israel's. Anyone who was arguing
that a country that's roughly the size of New Jersey
was going to be dominating the decision making of the
United States I always think was crazy. But these little
evidence out here I give credit for into the mind
(44:00):
getting that story out. I do think that Israel helped
to convince Trump that there could be a regime change.
I think that's true. But the idea that Israel is
dictating to Trump what they can and can't do is
absolutely here's a good word for you.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
We said this. We said this from the very beginning.
No one dictates to Trump anything. Okay, this is reality.
Do I think that the reporting about nen Yahoo pushing
that there could be regime change and that the time
was right for it is probably accurate? Yes? And did
that end up being a good assessment? It was not
a good assessment, But was that his honest assessment? That's
(44:36):
you know, to each his own on the analysis there.
But Trump believed or you know, Trump was like, Okay,
I'll do that, I'll do that. There wasn't some leverage,
There wasn't some special button that net Yahoo could hit
where he goes, oh, okay, Trump will do whatever. That
button doesn't exist. And we said that from the very beginning.
Trump is going to do what Trump is going to do.
And he acted as he thought was in the best
(44:58):
interest of this country, as can or in chief. And
he seems very still at peace with the decision, even
though the perhaps delay in some of this has got
some people a little a little bit concerned, but we'll see,
we'll see how it well, we're gonna look.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Into this, as Trump says, We're gonna look at this.
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Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yes, So we're still waiting to see what the results
are going to be in California, unfortunately, but we do
have results from Iowa and there was a bit of
an upset as Zach Lane has beaten Randy Feenstra. Zach
Lane is going to be the Iowa nominee for the
(47:11):
Republican Party to be the next governor of Iowa. And
I saw this circulating now that Zach Lane has won
the primary very close race in Iowa. He challenged Barack
Obama back in two thousand and nine about Obamacare.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
This is going viral. He also is a big fan
of Russia. Limbaugh.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
We need to get him on the radio program. But
I thought you guys would enjoy this. We have broken
it up into two parts. This is back in two
thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (47:41):
This is from Grand Junction, Colorado on Saturday. Obama and
a town hall meeting Zach Lane.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
I'd love to have a debate, just all out, anytime,
Oxford style.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
If you'd like.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
I understand I'm willing to do that. But my question
is this. We all know the best way to reduce
prices in this economy is to increase competition. How in
the world can a private corporation providing insurance compete with
an entity that does not have to worry about making
a profit, does not have to pay local property taxes,
(48:16):
they do not have to they're not subject to local regulations.
How can a company compete with that? And I'm not
looking for anything. I don't want generalities, i don't philosophical arguments.
I'm just asking a question.
Speaker 12 (48:27):
This kid is amazing, and there's no question in my mind.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
This kid listens to this program in.
Speaker 12 (48:32):
Fact, well now really, and there's a New York Times
column today Ross spout it and he just point blank
says that these town hall meetings are filled with limball listeners.
How does a private entity compete with a company he
doesn't have to make a profit. The government stop talking
generalities and philosophical arguments.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
This kid zactly.
Speaker 12 (48:50):
This student challenges the president to a debate then with
one simple question, an Obama can't answer. Nukes the entire
foundation of Obama care.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
I thought this, this was awesome.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
We have a second part of the clip, but that
is Russia limbaw giving a shout out in two thousand
and nine to the current nominee to be the next
governor of Iowa on behalf of the Republican Party. That's
pretty cool, right, this is going viral. Here's the second part.
I think this is Obama responding to Zach Lane's question. Again,
(49:23):
Zach Lane back in the day, going at it with
Obama over Obama care listen.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Listen to this answer.
Speaker 13 (49:29):
It is true that there are certain costs associated with
a private business that a government would not have to
worry about.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
You mentioned a couple of them.
Speaker 14 (49:38):
It's conceivable that a private entity that's having to pay
a certain interest rate for their money would be really
undermined if the government is able to get money much
cheaper implicitly because Uncle Sam backs this operation. I think
there are ways that we can address those competitive issues.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
And you're absolutely right. If they're not entirely.
Speaker 13 (49:58):
Addressed then and that raises a set of legitimate problems.
Speaker 15 (50:02):
Well, here you have a rambling answer, and Obama just
agreed with the student and explained why the centerpiece of
his plan, the public option, won't work because he can
print money.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
He didn't say that, but when he says, well, uncle.
Speaker 12 (50:16):
Sam got money much cheaper implicitly because Uncle Sam beck printed.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Our tax people just go ahead and take it from people.
Private insurance companies can't do that.
Speaker 15 (50:30):
So this student gets Obama to admit that his whole
plan won't work, as he himself said.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
This kid is amazing.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
I just what a perfect circle here now, Zach Lane, Congratulations,
The Iowa Republican nominee to be the next governor of
the state of Iowa.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
And I would imagine when you get him on the program.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
But I would imagine that anyone listening to us right
now in Iowa is pretty gung ho about going to
vote for this guy. And certainly major salute from us
on behalf of the rush and this program to taking
people back to two thousand and nine and now it's
come full circle.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
That's scare we I like, I like, I like how
we brought it all full circle tod at the end.
You know what I'm saying, There's some there's some balance
to that, there's some synchronicity.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
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gonna watch your Knicks tonight? Are they gonna win?
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