June 8, 2026 • 61 mins
California Schemin' Clay Travis and Buck Sexton discuss media bias, election integrity, California politics, and President Donald Trump’s latest interview, while also previewing upcoming guests and cultural moments. A major theme of the hour involves scrutiny of ongoing vote counting in California elections, particularly the Los Angeles mayoral race, where Clay and Buck raise concerns about late-arriving mail-in ballots disproportionately favoring Democrat candidates. They analyze voting trends, arguing that statistical anomalies in ballot counting raise questions about transparency and election processes, while inviting listener input from Los Angeles residents experiencing the situation firsthand. The conversation then pivots to President Donald Trump’s recent interview on NBC’s Meet the Press, where Trump strongly reiterated claims about election irregularities in 2020 and ongoing concerns about current voting practices. Clay and Buck highlight Trump’s confrontational exchange with moderator Kristen Welker, emphasizing his criticism of media credibility and election procedures. The hosts frame this interview as emblematic of broader tensions between Trump and legacy media outlets, reinforcing their ongoing critique of what they describe as mainstream media bias. Vanilla Ice Talks Patriotism Over Politics An in-depth interview with Vanilla Ice (Rob Van Winkle), who joins the program to discuss his participation in the upcoming America 250 celebration, a patriotic event marking the nation’s milestone anniversary. He reflects on how American culture has shifted from the unity of the 1980s and 1990s to what he describes as a more divided and politically charged era. Emphasizing patriotism, positivity, and national pride, Vanilla Ice encourages Americans—especially younger generations—to reconnect with shared values and avoid the negativity he attributes to modern media and online culture. He also stresses that entertainers should focus on bringing people together rather than engaging in political debates, reinforcing a recurring theme of depoliticizing entertainment. The conversation also explores his rapid rise to fame with Ice Ice Baby, offering insight into overnight celebrity culture in the 1990s, as well as his personal experiences navigating fame, American identity, and generational change. Vanilla Ice shares supportive comments about President Donald Trump, recalling personal interactions and praising Trump’s decision to serve in public office despite personal risk and wealth. Throughout the interview, he reiterates a message of unity over division, positioning music and cultural events like America 250 as opportunities to bridge ideological gaps. Chicago Scares The Bears An in-depth interview with Indiana Governor Mike Braun, centered on the potential relocation of the Chicago Bears to Indiana, a story with major implications for NFL franchise movement, economic development, and Midwest regional politics. Braun suggests the deal is “in the red zone,” highlighting Indiana’s business-friendly environment, low taxes, strong economy, and pro-growth policies as key reasons the franchise is likely to leave Illinois. The conversation expands into broader themes of population migration trends, emphasizing how residents are leaving high-tax “blue states” like Illinois, California, and New York in favor of states like Indiana. Braun underscores that economic freedom, limited government, and pro-business policies are driving this shift, positioning Indiana as a rising destination in the Midwest. Clay connects the Bears’ potential move to larger cultural and political shifts, arguing it symbolizes declining urban leadership in cities like Chicago and a broader movement of people and businesses toward red-state governance models. The hour also touches on redistricting battles and future political strategy, noting ongoing debates around gerrymandering, census counts, and congressional representation, particularly as Republicans prepare for upcoming election cycles. Clay Calls Out "Woman Face" A prominent interview with Jennifer Sey, founder of XX-XY Athletics, addressing one of the most debated cultural issues in America: transgender athletes in women’s sports. This discussion highlights ongoing controversies in high school and collegiate athletics, including California state championships and national-level competitions. Sey and Clay argue that biological males competing in women’s sports undermines fairness and integrity, while also examining pending U.S. Supreme Court cases involving Idaho and West Virginia laws that seek to restrict women’s sports to biological females. The segment explores the intersection of sports, law, Title IX, and gender identity policy, emphasizing that the Court’s ruling could shape the future of athletic competition nationwide. This portion of Hour 3 also critiques major
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Monday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now,
thanks for being here with us, everybody. Hope you had
a fantastic weekend. We've got more of the Scott Pelly fallout.
He is posting yachting or perhaps schooner photos of himself
(00:22):
to show he stands in solidarity with the people. So
we'll have that conversation coming up in a bit. More
on Graham Plattner, and that'll be a thing that we
have to do with the LA mayors race slash governor's
race for California not looking so good right now. The
(00:42):
late ballots coming in are too many, suspiciously suspiciously favoring
the Democrats by a lot, by huge, huge margins. We
can discuss how that is looking, and we've got more
on all this. But also I have to note for
all of you there is a fellow who will be
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joining us, assuming all happens as scheduled, which we never know.
But there will be a fellow joining us named Robert
Van Winkle. And now you might be saying, who is
this Robert van Winkle? Is he an esteemed conservative author.
Is he a pundit of the first order?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Is he the heir of Rip van Winkle potentially.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Could be who knows? Oh, oh, I'm sorry Vanilla Ice,
Now you know who I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Rip. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Robert van Winkle is in fact the given name of
a mister Vanilla Ice. For those of you who came
of age, actually forget that. For any of you who
remember the nineties, this is going to be quite a
moment for all of us. In fact, Clay, I not
only celebrate Ice Ice Baby, which immediately the music video
(01:55):
comes up in my mind immediately, the refrain and up,
collaborate and listen is something that just it seered into
our brains. I actually saw a teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Too Secret of the Ooze in theaters, and mister van Winkle,
Vanilla Ice did the theme song for that.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Are you aware of that, Clay, I didn't remember that.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I also, did you need to say the name of
the The name it.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Was Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go was the I think
it was Going Ninja was the song?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Yeah, I did go see all the teenage Ninja Turtle movies.
I did not remember that Vanilla Ice was the soundtrack
king there. But I was saying off air as we
were getting ready to come on, if you had told
me when Ice Ice Baby was the number one song
in America that one day I would meet Vanilla Ice,
(02:52):
and I think it counts as meeting that we're gonna
have him on the show. I would have been ecstatic
on a level that is that is crazy. So I
am looking forward to that interview. By the way, we've
also got the Governor of Indiana not to drown him
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
But he's no Vanilla. He might have some dance moves,
we don't know. He might talk to us, he could freestyle.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
He told us he would come on to talk about
the Chicago Bear situation, and it looks like the Chicago
Bears are moving to Indiana. And then our friend Jennifer Say,
who has the xx x Y product, great brand that
has a crazy basis of existence, which is men and
women are different, and she is going to talk with us.
(03:35):
We're still waiting, remember, for the Supreme Court decision. I
believe it's Idaho and West Virginia. It's been challenged as
to whether or not boys can compete in girls athletics
in those state high school associations. That opinion is still
out there, but we will talk with her. So we
got a fun Monday program as we as we roll
(03:57):
through what did you want to begin? First of all,
Scott Pelley has given one of the most ridiculous interviews
of all time with sixty minutes Graham Platner, the LA
Mayor Trump's going to be watching your beloved New York
Knicks tonight at Madison Square Garden. What did you want
to Dealer's choice begain with today we'll certainly discuss the
Knick situation. I will be watching the game tonight because,
(04:19):
like now so many New Yorkers, I am a diehard
Knicks fan once again after many years of sadness and heartbreak.
Now the Knicks are a team not just worth rooting for,
but they're a.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Team of destiny. They're a team of historic proportions, a
team that some are saying, if it were to win
this championship, which looks likely, they could be arguably the
greatest performing team in a single playoff slash final season
of all time, which is a remarkable situation, especially after
all the years where the New York Knicks were essentially
(04:56):
a team of castaway, former stars with injuries, being overpaid
and underperforming for about twenty years. Now we have something else.
I will note that New York City, unfortunately in this moment,
is having such a brilliant there's really a sense of
joy and funnel the streets. And then unfortunately there was
(05:16):
this like lunatic who ran around stabbing people in Penn Station,
which is right where Madison Square Garden is, which is
right where President Trump will be at the game as well.
Is he going to the game tonight?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Right?
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah, game three tonight at Madison Square Garden. There's lots
of security for our wor listeners anyone in the vicinity
of Madison Square Garden, as one might imagine given the
threats on the President's life in the past, they have
a substantial barrier barricade that they have put up that's more.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Substantial than normal.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Speaking of the President, as we often do, he had.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
A little sit down with Meet the.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Press in Wisconsin and Christian Welker, and we're just going
to give you a little a little taste of there's
a few of the of the key moments here. But
Trump is still very fired up about January sixth, about
the twenty twenty election, and also this January sixth Compensation Fund,
(06:16):
essentially the Anti Weaponization Fund or a fund meant to
begin the process of the government making amends for those
who were horrifically treated because of their presence and in
or around the Capitol in January sixth. This is how
this started. Exchange was going viral over the weekend, play
cut one.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
What they did to the lives of people, They destroyed people,
They sent people to jail who did nothing with them.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Just be very clear, there's no evidence of what you're saying,
but there's a lot about Todd Blent.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
To me, let's talk this tremendous evidence. There is nothing
but election was rigged. It was a dirty election. This
is happening again right.
Speaker 8 (06:57):
Now in down.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Happening right now in California. Right now, it's looking look
at what's happening in California. It's in California.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
It's how they're not there.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
They're dropping fast because it's.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
A rigged election.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
Let me tell you, it's four days and they aren't
even close to.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Coming up there.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
That's how they can You know why.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
They're doing that, because they're cheating on the election.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
There's what do you have evidence.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
I have to do us look or to do listen
and I listen to people and let's see what happens
that's not evident. You think it's appropriate, that's how they
the votes. You think it's appropriate that they have an
election and five days later they're nowhere close to picking
local officials.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
Acknowledge they are slow, they're urging, they're crooked there urging
the votes to be counted.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Cuicker, you take that and run with it.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Have fun.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Look I we said on this program, you go back
and listen. After the Tuesday night results came in, we said,
it looks good for UH, for our friends Spencer Pratt,
and it looks good for Steve Hilton. And we said
that if we were in LA and we were in California,
those are the choices we would have made. On a
(08:10):
positive side, it looks like Steve Hilton is going to
continue to be one of the top two contenders going
forward and make the runoff the Spencer Pratt data. He
has gone from second place very comfortably, way ahead of
Nittia Raman to as all of these mail in ballots
(08:33):
continue to come in, she has. Nittya Raman has when
people actually went and voted imperfect. In person, she had
a fraction of the support that she has gotten in
the mail in ballots, And I just think when you
look at the data, Buck, you're a data guy too.
Sometimes you can look at data and you can tell
(08:55):
whether the data makes sense or not. And then the
people like Kristen Welker come back and say, prove to
me that there is some form of cheating going on
or some form of the illegality going on. Let me
take it outside of the world of the of the election.
(09:16):
If I flipped a coin and every time it turned
up heads fifty one hundred, one hundred and fifty times
in a row, you might not be able to tell
that the coin is loaded. You might look at it
and say, boy, this really is just amazing it keeps
coming up heads. But statistical improbability is evidence of the
(09:37):
fact that the things are not on the up and up.
And when you look at the data coming in on
how these votes are occurring for the mail in ballots,
I think the data is clear that something is not right.
And I think the vast majority of you out there
agree with this. If the numbers had stayed relatively consistent, Buck,
(09:59):
maybe she does a little bit better in the mail.
How in the world can you explain nobody shows up
to vote for her. She's crying on Tuesday night because
her outcome has been so bad, and then they just
keep getting more and more mail ballots, and she's getting
a higher percentage by far of the mail ballots than
even Karen Bass, and that Spencer Pratt is getting none
(10:19):
of them.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
If the percentages just.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Don't add up in any way, I think they want
two left wingers running for mayor because that way they
can avoid Spencer Pratt attacking Karen Bass, the incumbent. I
think Karen Bass would rather run against Ramen And I
just think the data at some point it's a little
bit like steroids era in baseball, when people who never
(10:44):
hit fifty home runs are hitting fifty home runs. You
look at it and you say, this doesn't add up.
I think the same thing happened with Joe Biden. I
know you're not supposed to talk about it. Everybody got
canceled when you would talk about it back in the day.
I don't think Joe Biden got eighty one million legal
votes twenty twenty. I think it's impossible to explain how
he trounced Obama two thousand and eight, how he trounced
(11:06):
Hillary twenty sixteen, and how he trounced Kamala twenty twenty four.
I think you just look at the data and say
does this add up to me?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
It doesn't.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I don't know if you want to come as aggressive
as I just did, but I just I look at
it and I say, sometimes you can just analyze the
data and say this doesn't happen on the up and up.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Well, let's let's take a look when we come back, Clay,
as part of this, if you want, we can look
at some of the true and clear vulnerabilities. And for
people who like Kristen Welker, who will say, oh, but
the data of the data, part of the problem is
that the way that this is set up, it is
very hard to get the data to prove a fraud,
as in the fraud becomes almost unprovable. And I think
(11:48):
that is by design, right, because if you have no
real like this is where let's get into a chain
of custody and all these different things in the ballots.
But Clay, real quick, let's just let everyone hear this
that we play at the beginning of it this is
how this interview Trump had with Kristin Welker ended cut
to enjoy.
Speaker 7 (12:07):
That's how they.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Very crooked, just like your crooked. Your press is crooked,
and Meet the presence crooked. To be fair, I'm not crooked,
but really, well, you play right into their hands. Zone
You're either crooked or you're stupid. You play right into
their hands with this rap. You know that these elections
are rigged. Your network knows that they're rigged. You know
that I won an election in a landslide and I
(12:30):
got ninety four percent bad press. You know why I
got that presented because you have no credibility.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
But you've never presented evidence there was rigged. Let's keep
talking about.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I want to talk about talk.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
You have more evidence, there's more evidence than ever presented.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
Let's talk.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
Your elections in this country were like a third world country.
So your elections are crooked, and your crooked, and Meet
the Press is crooked, and so is ABC and CBS
and CNN, your one sided, crooked network. So let's call
it quits because I've had.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Enough, Thank you, President.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Let's please.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
I traveled all the way to Wisconsin.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
I know, on and off in the range and I'm
giving you enough time you want to straighten out, get pressed,
because you know what, missip country can never be great travel.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Listen, we traveled all the way to Wisconsin for the interview.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I love everything about this. First of all, all the
way to Wisconsin. She didn't go to the middle of
you know, an antarctic.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
In the interview, it's she she.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Was probably on a private plane from New York City
or d C to UH to Milwaukee. It probably took
what an hour and ten minutes of her time. I mean,
all the way to Wisconsin to me is actually a
little bit telling because it is evidence that if you're
not on the East or the West coast, you might
as well be in the hinter lands. But I love
(13:56):
Trump just getting worked up as the interview went on
and on, and uh, I don't blame him. Look, this
is much of what's happening in LA right now. I
think echoes for him what he saw happen in twenty twenty.
You talked about how it's not only that they do this,
it's that they take glee in telling you there's nothing
improper about what's going on. This is just how democracy works.
(14:16):
And they lecture you and they make you sound like
you're the moron for sitting around and saying, wait a minute,
this seems awfully suspicious and I got, I mean, so
many thoughts about this, but I think it ties in
with Pelly.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
We're gonna have some fun.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
We'll talk about Scott Pelley in a little bits because
he was on his schooner, very upset at what's happened
to sixteen minutes. All you can do is talk like that,
and dumb people think he reminds me of Murphy Brown.
Do you remember the gym character on Murphy Brown that
was like a fit, like making like the old school?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Do you remember that show?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I know it's Monday, it's a little early for shots, Clay,
but like I'm a little too young for that.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I was gonna throw it out there.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Oh that's not poss that's impossible. Clay's like, you remember
that show Mash when it started.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I'm like, no, actually, Clay, I do not remember it
when that began.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
That's you, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
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Speaker 3 (16:10):
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Speaker 4 (16:18):
It is time to stop collaborate and listen. Ice is
back with a brand new guest spot here on the
Clay and Buck Show. That is Vanilla Ice, who I
believe is still set to perform at the America to
fifty festival. We are excited to have him. He's down
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in the great state of Florida. I want to start
before we dive into America to fifty with you. You have
been a pop culture figure for a long time now.
Would you have ever believed that it would become popular
to not like America regardless of whether you're a Democrat,
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public or an independent. For many of us who grew
up in the eighties and the nineties, it was regardless
of what your politics were. You thought America was the
greatest country that had ever existed in the history.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Of the world.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Many of us still believe that, but lots don't. Would
you have ever seen the trajectory that we are on occurring?
Speaker 8 (17:21):
Uh?
Speaker 9 (17:22):
Never, never could predict this. And I feel sorry for
the thirty and unders. You know, they're being pulled right
and left and don't understand the history and how it all.
You know, we were so American in the eighties and
the nineties, and I feel like the computers have just
ruined the world if you.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
Really ask me, you know, I just want to live
in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Man.
Speaker 8 (17:42):
But we were all united.
Speaker 9 (17:44):
I think we were all watching Star Wars. I think
we were all growing up to the Ninja Turtles. I
think we were all driving five point zeros and ripping
our back seats out and putting in soboofers in Blockbuster
Video and all the great things about the cheesiness.
Speaker 8 (17:57):
Of it, and those Zeka, ricci Pa and Gerbos and
I mean, we all united.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
And didn't take anything too serious because it was so cheesy.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
How could you.
Speaker 9 (18:08):
Everybody just cracked jokes about everything, and the politics was
one of them. And now everybody's taking everything so serious,
you know, and they've got these uh, I don't know
what they're called. Man, I travel around everywhere, these little
pockets of hate or whatever they are around the country
that just kind of generate that on the thirty and unders.
Speaker 8 (18:27):
And I feel sorry for him.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Man.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
We did have it better as kids.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
We really did a quick quick question point of order here,
do you prefer to be called Robert or mister Ice?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
How do we how do we can we say Robert?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Is that good? Hey?
Speaker 8 (18:41):
I respond either way? I preferred to as rob It's
not as cool as Bada, but I yeah, either way,
whatever you want to say.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I mean, it's it must it's amazing because you are
Clay and I are as much like give them a
hard time, roughly the same age. And so the phenomenon
of the the peak, if you will, of the vanilla
ice phenomena on is something that we lived through as kids.
And I remember being in school and and my Catholic
grammar school in New York City and people trying to
do your dance move like all the time. Man, I mean,
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there was a period of time there where everyone was
trying to do the Vanilla Ice moves. Clay doesn't believe it,
but I feel like I actually could probably do some
pretty good I've got some funky there's some funky beats here.
People would be surprised. But going back to the present
day for a moment, the two fifty celebration people have
been pulling out of this. It sounds like because yes,
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they're worried. Maybe their manager says, oh, it's political or something,
even though it really is supposed to be about the
greatness of America. But also there's threats. I mean, is
that have you been have people been getting crazy with
that stuff with you? Or has that not really been
a factor in your two fiftieth celebration preparation so far.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
Ah, I've been taking heat from everybody in anything, but
it's not about that. I get a lot of love,
and I think that's the main thing.
Speaker 8 (19:59):
You know. I never ca to a hater. I just
say later.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
So the truth is, you got to and understand how
love works. And smiles are contagious, man. And this party
is you know, everyone is invited.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
It's not made to be divided.
Speaker 9 (20:16):
Musicians are made to bring people together and I'm just
one of them. Man.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
I don't think anybody should take this too serious. I
don't think it's fair on.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
The musicians to put them in a political platform that
they don't belong. Just say kind of like almost like
you know, and no offense. I can only speak for myself.
But for me, I just shut up and play. I
stayed in my lane. I don't take anything too serious.
If you book me. I know I'm booked by some
fans and I'm ready to go party with them. I
don't dissect who it is or what it is or
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anything like that, because I stand for me the party
of the nineties.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I enjoy it, man.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
I don't take anything too serious. I don't think you.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
Should take anything an entertainer says too serious either.
Speaker 8 (20:59):
I think you just enjoy the entertainment. That's all it is.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
When we go back to the nineties for a minute,
and I happened to think the nineties or the greatest
decade that has ever existed in the history of the world.
They're my favorite decade. I know there's people out there
who would argue eighties or nineties. If you need a
good dinner party debate, or you got buddies coming over,
Eighties versus nineties is a really fun debate.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
What was it like for you to.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Go from being completely unknown to famous overnight. There's a
great story I wonder if it has any resonance with
you that the cast of the show Friends went out
to dinner right before the show debuted. I believe they
were out in Las Vegas and they were told, this
is the last time you'll ever be able to go
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into a restaurant and just be a normal person. You're
gonna become famous in the nineties. You could really the
eighties too. You could become famous overnight. What was that experience.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Like for you?
Speaker 9 (22:01):
I mean, amazing is a whirlwind and like you're in
a tornado and you know it's I was only sixteen
when I wrote I I's baby man. And then you know,
not even a year later, they say do you want
to be you know, in the Ninja Turtles movie. I
said yes, and I would have paid them, and they
paid me. The great thing is is that, you know,
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I have so many great memories of America and what
made me and I've always been patriotic.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
I always hold up the flag.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
And I always really really appreciate these soldiers out there,
you know. And that's the thing that these kids thirty
and under. I don't think they understand the history of
the soldiers and how.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
We got our freedom.
Speaker 9 (22:41):
I think that that maybe they just kind of confused
because they're taking right and left and there's so much
information out there and not enough love.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
And they got to show love on both sides.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Man.
Speaker 9 (22:51):
You know, I don't vote, so it really don't matter
what I have to say about this. But as far
as a musician, I like to bring people together, and
this is our country.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
And I believe we're all one.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
And I don't like news channels dividing the country. I
don't like negativity anywhere. I just like, you know, being
positive and focusing on the cheesiness of you know, back
in the day and kind of carrying that over to
today to show these kids how great we really had it.
Because they're stuck playing Fortnite and stuff. They don't even
want to get out of the house. You know, it's
(23:22):
like we've got in trouble for not coming home on time.
It was a complete different, you know, childhood growing up
and riding skateboards and getting hurt and jumping bikes and figuring.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
Things out on your own.
Speaker 9 (23:35):
And now it's like everything has to be you know,
and I don't know where the AI is going. It's
going to be crazy with the entertainer. But for me,
the fame was amazing. It was a whirlwind. I went
through everything, ups and downs, and what doesn't kill you
makes you stronger man.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
So you know, always say we are who we are
because of who we were.
Speaker 9 (23:53):
And even though I've got some great stories on the
front boards to tell you, you know that I probably
wouldn't wish my life on my worst enemy. It's it's crazy,
you know, to go through that and everything and then
you have to separate it and figure out what your
purpose in life is, what you're meaning. And it's all
about those kids, man. I mean, I know you guys
got kids. I got four, so it's it's something. And
(24:15):
I got a seven year old all the way to
a twenty eight year old, so it's it's amazing to
see them different generations and all the you know, different
things they experience. And all I can tell my kids
is just don't take everything so serious.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
Everything out there they want you to take it serious.
It's like you're the they.
Speaker 9 (24:31):
Got the rabbit, and or you're the rabbit and they're
the freaking carrot and they're pulling it with a string
and you're chasing it.
Speaker 8 (24:38):
Don't be that person. Stand up, smile. You know I
come from When we go.
Speaker 9 (24:43):
To classroom, we would we would pledge allegiance to the flag.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
You know I can still do it today. And that's you.
Speaker 9 (24:50):
Know, that shows you the pride of being an American
and proud to be born and raised here. It made
me and I'm honored for this event man, and and
and who.
Speaker 8 (25:02):
Throws a better party than Trump?
Speaker 9 (25:03):
Man?
Speaker 8 (25:03):
I've been to many of them. If anybody you want
to throw your party, you'd be that guy. He's the greatest.
I'm telling you.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
I've been to magic shows at mar A Lago, I've
been to all kinds of great things and and and
the events that he's done, and they're super awesome.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Man.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
So speaking from somebody an American man.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
So Robert, Robert van Winkle, better known to all of
you as a Vanilla Ice and and Rob. We really
appreciate the call to patriotism and unity, and I wish
that that was reflected in the broader particularly the news media.
But as you might have picked up, Rob, some of
them don't like Trump very much, and anything that has
(25:42):
anything to do with Trump they have nothing but distain
for and hatred for. So we would like this to
be more of a broad and patriotic celebration. I know
that you just want all Americans, really, all people who
want to celebrate America to show up when you're doing
this concert. I have to ask you, I'm just so curious,
what was the moment. I'm sure there was a moment
(26:03):
when you realized, oh, this is like a big this
is a real thing. Going back to the the the
rocket ship that was Ice Ice Baby back in the nineties.
What was the moment when it went from like, first
of all, did you know when you put down that track,
were you like, this is gonna this is gonna crush it?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Like this is gonna be amazing?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
And second of all, when did you realize, oh, this
isn't just a song that is gonna do well and
help build my career. But little kids like Buck Sexton
at age whatever are gonna be with their friends trying
to do the Vanilla Ice dance moves in the courtyard
of their school, all across America, all fifty states. Like,
give me both of those moments if you would.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
Man, it's amazing that this thing took on a life
of its own. When I did Ice, iized, Baby, I
didn't know it was actually the B side when we
put it out, because back in the day we had
vinyl records and you had an.
Speaker 8 (26:54):
A side and a B side.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
So for DJs, they go, let me play the A
side first. It was play that fun music on the
A side, which did go to number six on the
Billboard charts, and then they flipped it over somewhere in
Georgia and it went crazy and the phone started ringing
and everybody was Ice ice Baby, and it was just
a movement and it became an anthem of the nineties.
(27:18):
You know everything about it. You can go back and
look at it and it's just you'll miss it.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Man.
Speaker 9 (27:22):
The five point zeros are so iconic for cruising the streets.
We all had experiences with them. If you didn't have one,
and if you drag raced them, you probably got beat
by one. And everybody kind of ripped out their back
seats and we were in the subwoofers. We had to
curry as screwdriver to tighten the license plate. You know
about this. We went to Blockbuster for our movies. Man,
we learned to dance the cheesiest dance moves. Everything has
(27:44):
changed into this world that is, I don't know, it's
shaken up like a snow globe. But I think I
think if we just get back to the word love, man,
it'll come back together and we can unite instead of dvite.
It's something that musicians are, you know, capable of doing.
Bob Marley was really great at doing that and unifying
people from all different genres, all different race everything, And
(28:08):
you know, I just feel like we should all kind
of go back to that cheesiness of the nineties and
not take anything so serious, man, and get out there
and enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
You mentioned President Trump in the fact you've known him
for a long time.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
You knew him many.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
President Trump was super famous in the eighties, the nineties,
the two thousands, obviously the Apprentice, long before he ever
considered becoming a politician. Were you surprised that President Trump
decided to become involved in politics. What was your experience
you remember the first time you met him, What was
he like? What has your relationship been like with him.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
He's great, He's always been gracious. I live in Palm Beach.
He lives down the street.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
I've gone over there, like I said, and seen some
really good, you know, parties and all kinds of great things,
met some great people and everything. And I would have
gone to any I would have gone to Barack Obama's
and played basketball with him. I kind of wanted to
do that back in the day because I thought he
was a cool dude. I'm just a guy that gets
along with everybody, you know. I'm not someone that takes
any of this political stuff serious. Trump was great, He's
(29:07):
always been gracious, and his I know his family as well.
They're super great kids, super smart, super intelligent, and you know,
to me, I would you can put me on a
chopping block. I don't care because I see it for
what it is. I mean, the guy could be in
San Trape living it up and he chose to be
(29:29):
the president and get shot at. I mean, he's a billionaire.
Why would you want this job? I wouldn't want all
that weight on my shoulders. But as a person that
don't vote, I don't really have much of an opinion
to say anything about like my fans should follow.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
This or that.
Speaker 8 (29:44):
I don't do that. I don't think that any entertainer
should do that.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
I think you should stay in your lane and just
enjoy bringing people together. Man from everywhere. We're all one.
Mediorite hits this planet.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
Now, we all die. Figure it out, you know.
Speaker 9 (29:57):
Jurassic period, Jurassic period, moa satious period.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
It's gonna happen again.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
We all need to unite and unify man and get.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Over all of this.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
The headline the headline from his interview is Vanilla I says,
everyone be cool to each other because the asteroid is
gonna hit the planet any day now, So we're all good.
We're all good, mister Vanilla, thank you for being here.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Rob, We appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (30:22):
Went I went from I went from Rob to mister Vanilla.
Now I love that.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Thank you for being with us, sir, and good luck
at the two fifty at celebration. It's gonna be it's
gonna be phenomenal. Some people are saying, the greatest celebration
of all celebrations, thank you, it.
Speaker 9 (30:37):
Would be fantastic. Go Ninja go Happy Birthday America, Thank.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
You, sir.
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Buck has ducked out for the third hour. Here I
will be with all of you, talk with the Governor
of Indiana here, Mike Braun and also Jennifer Say of
XXXY Athletics that is coming this direction. We've been talking
about sixty minutes. Scott Pelly crying the Grand Platner supporter.
We got to make sure that we play that for you.
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As the fallout in Maine continues, the LA mayor race
where Spencer Pratt has now fallen into third place. As
we told you last week we were afraid might happen
as the vote count continued, We'll continue to take your
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be at the Knicks game tonight. Madison Square Garden getting
lockdown treatment. Many of you in the Manhattan area are
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experiencing that. And we've got a brand new cook political report.
But the last time we talked with the Governor of Indiana,
Mike Braun, I said, hey, if the Bears are moving
to Indiana, we will have you back on this story
last week. Got a lot of attention, Governor Braun, Thank
you for coming on with us. Let's just jump right
in here off the top. Do you expect the Chicago
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Bears to be playing their football games in the future
in the state of Indiana.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Well, it's not InCD done deal yet, but it's probably
in the red zone to use that metaphor because I
can't remember how much we covered in terms of the timetable.
But they've been trying to get the state slash city.
But I think they wanted to move out of the
city for all the reasons everybody can see.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
The recent mayors.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Would not make that a great place to want to
have any business. But started six years ago and there
was no interest. And then about three years ago, since
this day last week was going to come sooner or
later to make sure that the next six years leading
up to their lease expiration doesn't have to be as
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dramatic as.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
What it was leading up to.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
Now where they're focusing to invest in the future. And
so that transpired another two and a half years to
sometime before Christmas.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
We get the.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Call I did, and we had the management and ownership
come down to the residents and talked about what their
issues were, and we made it so easy Clay in
the sense that it was kind of like dealing with
the CEO of another business. Of course, I ran a
business for thirty seven years before I became US Senator
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and then governor, and that context, and having done a
lot of real estate during those years, those deals are always.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Tricky if they're of magnitude.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
So now going forward, a lot of it will be
due diligence, and it will be focusing on how great
an investment you can make without having to worry about
your government getting in the way. And the fact that
everything that they had five months to come up with something,
and of course they gabbled out the very last day
(34:52):
of May with nothing. So I think with all that
time having transpired, with how easy it's been working with us.
By the way, a triple A credit rating state with
the hottest economy in the Midwest. I think they're made
the decision as much on the intangibles as.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Opposed to the deal itself.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
So we've got both and now we've got and they've
got probably the confidence that the future is going to
be a lot easier.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
To flesh out. The most important part, and that's getting.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
It done right on the site they select, working with
a partner, it's not going to make it difficult along
the way.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
What does it say big picture about Indiana's ability to
work with businesses to bring jobs to Indiana versus not
only the city of Chicago, but the state of Illinois
in general. Because I think a lot of people here
Chicago bears and think playing in the state of Indiana, Boy,
that is a cultural shift that feels significant.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
What does it tell us.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
It tells us that most blue states, not all, but most,
and especially the one that really double down on their
mentor the federal government California, Illinois, New York, They're just
not going to be in a place where government doesn't
produce anything. You need it for certain things that we
all want. Good roads and bridges, maybe defend the country
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without breaking the bank, but all the other stuff generally
gets to be where government is the driver.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
That means that you're going to leave.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
California like Elon Musk did, You're going to be losing
congressional seats because people are voting with their feet. And
Illinois is the biggest example in the Midwest of that.
We got a state reasonable on the regulations, light on taxation,
where work ethic and you know, community, family, faith, all
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that stuff still makes a difference in a bigger scale.
Freedom and opportunity, which is what I ran on when
I ran for Senate and governor. And the fewer career
upon peticians we have, and the more that have done
something in the real world before they want to run
big business through government. I think that's the big dynamic
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that you're going to see ripple across the country state
by state. And if you're wanting to mimic the federal government,
I worked there six years. Who would want to ever
kind of copy someone that can't spend lesson that takes
in and miss the mark by two trillion dollars a year,
thirty percent of your budget.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
All in that starts to add up.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
I was at the White House last month when the
Indiana who's your football team was recognized for winning the
national championship, something that you probably never thought you would
see in your life. And President Trump gave a shout
out to a lot of different members of the political
world that were also there, including many different state senators
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who in the primary season won their primaries and are
going to be replacing senators who did not want to redistrict.
What is the latest that we should know about redistricting
as we look forward. I know it cannot happen now
for the twenty twenty six cycle in Indiana, but what
should we know about what might happen in twenty twenty
seven for the twenty twenty eight cycle.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Well, for any.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Lighthearted Republicans that had issues with that, when the Democrats
have become the gerrymanderers to perfection, and you look at
New England, I won't go into.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
That, it was kind of evening the playing field.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
And when our state senators decide decided to die on
that hill, I told him that doesn't make sense why
you're having this moment of kind of not being able
to see clearly no other state had that difficulty. And
last time I had spoken the President to face the
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face was that the National governor's administration, and when I
was walking out, he reminded me that they're going to
be getting involved in those primaries like he said they would.
He talked to them twice. JD came in twice physically.
And why you rebuked that when it didn't make sense
on some type of kind of flaky reason that well,
(39:13):
just because they do it, we shouldn't. That's the kind
of weak need approach to politics. Republicans have taken too long,
and that's why we're in a structural disadvantage when it
comes to how much they've gerrymandered, and even the way
congressional districts are formed, where you count illegal immigration into
the census and do the calculation there most are housed
(39:34):
in California, Illinois, and New York. That could be ten
to fifteen congressional districts. All of that is the rationality
for it, and it won't. We can't do anything to
impact the midterms. Of course, some other states have tried
it where they didn't already have their primaries, But it'll
be an issue once we get right minded individuals elected
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this fall. I think that'll be taken up again.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Indiana in general, I just find the Bears situation to
be such a metaphor because for so long, Chicago was
the capital of the Midwest, the city that so many
people who graduate from Big ten schools my wife is from,
went to the University of Michigan. It feels like it
was a funnel. Everybody kind of went into Chicago. Are
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you seeing that start to change, because I'll tell you this,
A lot of people, it feels like, are leaving Chicago,
which is why I think the Bears are kind of
a symptom, a symbol of dysfunction that's there. How's Indiana
benefiting from people who have decided, you know what, I
don't want to stay in Illinois anymore.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Chicago. Maybe there's another city that makes more sense.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
So I was.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
Reading a report and it said net migration into states,
not immigration migration people leaving one state to go to another.
I knew Texas, Florida, probably Tennessee was going to be there.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Carolina's I think everyone.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
We've mentioned so far in red states, and get the
number seven. It's Indiana. We were the only state in
the northern half of the country where people are moving
into it. Fort Wayne's the fastest growing city in the Midwest,
not the cities that are structurally blue from top to bottom,
and almost every large city is and look at their
(41:20):
own issues. But no, we have people moving in from
Illinois and the demographic moving into Fort Wayne at the
highest percentage Chicagoans. So Lake County, which is where Hammond is,
is turning. It's not had a Republican US rep in
I think ninety six years. We're getting so close. That
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used to be a margin of thirty seventy red to blue.
Now it's nearly even.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
That's the difference.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
And people will vote with their feet if you keep
putting bad stuff on them in the places that roll,
like the federal government California, Illinois, New York. They were
the three biggest and the worst at it, and sooner
or later that happens, then you say, wow, what could
we have done better? You could have done better just
by using common sense and making sure that you don't
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grow government, you grow the real economy.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Are people going to be troubled now when it comes
to deciding whether they're going to vote for the Indiana
based Chicago Bears or the Indiana based Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
I think when we ran that by the Colts, we
figured in a place like Indiana, they would embrace the
addition of and that is true. They welcomed the fact
that the Bears would be coming into the state just
like I anticipated they would. I know the organization, and
I think they know it's a win. They know how
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good it's been to be. You know, here in Indiana,
there's not one Hoosier that would for any reason say
I wish we didn't have the Colts.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
The mayors are going to be accepted the.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
Same way, and they're going to be glad that they're
going to get a stadium. It's probably a lot better
than if you built it there in Illinois. It's going
to be in a location where you can finally tailgate
do all kinds of mixed use investment because we make
that easy, not difficult. So I think all in all,
Hoosiers will welcome them with open arms outstanding.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
We appreciate the time, Governor Mike Braun of Indiana. When
it is officially official, we will have you on again.
But congrats on how things are going on Indiana, and
early congrats on the potential move.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Thank you Clayon. When it happens, we'll be sure to get.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
Back on for sure that is Indiana Governor Mike Braun,
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have a relationship with. They have a crazy perspective that
men and women are different and that men shouldn't be
able to win women's championships. And Jennifer joins us. Now,
this story has not gone away because Democrats have gone
insane on it, and we've been talking about California a lot,
as the governor's votes still come in and as the
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mayor's votes come in. You lived in the Bay Area
for a long time working with Levi's, can you believe
that there are still boys identifying as girls that are
winning girls state championship? And I don't know if you
read the La Times article about one of these individuals,
but it's one of the craziest sports articles I've ever
(45:54):
seen in my life.
Speaker 7 (45:57):
I did read it, excuse me, and I saw the picture.
I can't remember the headline, Clay, maybe you can remember it,
but it was something about how this boy wrapped in
love overcame all the meanies who like Donald Trump. I
mean that was essentially the headline. Yes, but this is
a boy who won two state championships for the second
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year in a row. We still don't know if he's
going to compete in college. He's a senior this year.
I think it's very likely that he will compete for
a UC or cal state and they just haven't said
it yet because of the onslaught. But it's not just California,
it is Colorado where I live, even West Virginia. We'll
(46:38):
get to the Supreme Court cases. I know that West Virginia,
a boy just want a sophomore in high school just
won the West Virginia state state championship in the shoplat
So it's happening across the country. Can I believe it?
Speaker 5 (46:52):
No?
Speaker 7 (46:52):
I can't believe any of this is happening. I can't
believe we can't win because it's so stupid the other side,
it doesn't even make any sense. And yet here we are.
We have to keep fighting it legislatively and culturally.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
Here is the headline that you just referenced in the
La Times. This is a real article. Shielded by love.
Transgender athlete ab Hernandez defeated vitriol stoked by Trump.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Again.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
The controversy here is President Trump and many people out
there have a wide variety of political perspectives who are
just not insane have said boys should compete against girls,
boys should not compete against girls, boys should compete against boys,
girls should compete against girls. And this guy who identified
as a girl has now won. I think it's three
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straight years of state high school championships in California. And
you just mentioned, Jennifer, the fact that I believe it's
Idaho in West Virginia. There is a Supreme Court case
that theoretically we're going to get a decision on this
month about whether or not this states of Idaho and
West Virginia can say girls sports can only be played
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by girl by girls. What's the latest there? What do
we expect? What do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 7 (48:12):
Yeah, So these cases were bundled together. They were heard
before the Supreme Court on January thirteenth. I think I
was on your show that day explaining what those cases
were about. There was a rally on the steps of
the Supreme Court. Two cases bundled together, one in Idaho
a man wanted to compete at Boise State and track
and field, and the other in West Virginia, a young
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adolescent boy who had been on puberty blockers since you
know he was very young and estrogen who wants to
compete on the girls track and field team in West Virginia.
The arguments to some extent in these cases conflict with
each other because, of course, the argument with the adult
male is he should be included he's a woman. But
the argument with the adolescent male as well, he didn't
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go through mail puberty on puberty blockers, so he has
no advantage, which would suggest that the other guy does
have advantage. We know they both have advantage. Anyway, what
will be decided, which you just alluded to and you're
the lawyer, not me, but essentially whether the twenty seven
states that currently have laws on the books protecting women's
sports can they continue to do so? So are are
those laws constitutional? What it will not do, no matter
(49:22):
what happens is forced the twenty three states that includes California,
that includes Colorado, that don't have laws in the books
that put gender identity above sex, It will not force
them to change their ways. And so we will not
be done yet. We're halfway done in about a little
more than half the states, but will need to keep
going because girls in California deserve fair competition too, not
(49:43):
to mention. You know this in sports, if you compete
at a high level and elite level, you compete across
state lines. So if a girl in Tennessee makes a
national championship and competes against California team, so she has
to compete against the boy there, how is that going
to work?
Speaker 4 (50:00):
I think that Democrats would stay crazy on this or
after the Trump election win in twenty twenty four, almost
immediately in February of twenty twenty five, he had a
big ceremony he said, girls are not going to have
to compete against boys in Ncuba championships anymore. Of course,
Leah Thomas, a boy pretending to be a girl one
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in n cublea swimming title in twenty twenty two. Did
you think Democrats are just going to say, okay, Trump
changed the rules. Maybe now the Supreme Court's going to
change the rules. Did you think they were going to
stay crazy or did you think they were going to
kind of give up on this fight.
Speaker 9 (50:36):
No?
Speaker 7 (50:37):
I thought they were going to stay crazy. I was
in the room when he signed the executive order. I
was standing right behind him, and the mood was so
festive and celebratory, and I wanted to be optimistic and
cheerful because it was a great moment. But I knew
in my heart of hearts we were that, you know,
play anything he does, they just want to fight him more.
I knew it would get worse, not better.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
So you were an elite Olympic gymnast for people who
do not remember your history. And some people out there
will say, why do you care? It's only a few people,
pretend that that were true. What would your response be
to that argument?
Speaker 7 (51:16):
To those people, Well, it's not a few, and it
grows every single year, but one is too many, I
would say back to them, do we allow one guy
to take performance enhancing dress? Oh, it's just the one
guy who cares. Let him take his steroids? Who cares?
Speaker 3 (51:30):
So what?
Speaker 7 (51:31):
He hits more home runs than everybody else, So what
he shaved two seconds off this time. No, we don't
allow it. Once sports to make them watchable, threat to
want to watch, we rely on the rules being fair.
It's not fun. If the fix is in, it's not
fun to watch. And if boys can gain an advantage,
I mean, these are all crappy male athletes that make
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the switch. They are of no repute, they have no
ranking and suddenly they just snd them ranks. Oh and
by the way, they get snaps and claps, and you know,
they have victims status and their overcoming adversity, and they
win the lottery, they win the medals, and they win
the cheers and applause, even though the vast majority of
us disagree with this happening. So I can't explain it, Clay,
(52:14):
I wouldn't want to climb into the Democrat's brand on this,
But no, I don't think they're ever going to give
it up. I think we have a long, long road ahead.
Speaker 4 (52:21):
Why did you find found the brand that you did?
What is xx x y for people out there who
don't know If you agree that men should not be
competing in women's sports, there's basically one athletic brand that
will actually say that. And by the way, OutKick was
the only sports media brand that would say it for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
How crazy is it that Nike.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
Is putting boys in girls gear and trying to sell
girls gear that way? Many other different athletic brands have
done the same. You worked for a long time at
Levi's in San Francisco. You were not someone who was
particularly political to my knowledge, and then you said, I
can't deal with this anymore.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Why the brand?
Speaker 7 (53:05):
Yeah, I mean I left the left. I was a
Democrat because of COVID policy and that just sort of
I then was looking at everything and this obviously is
so crazy, and I've take a long taken a stands
in defensive female athletes. I was the first gymnast, former
gymnast to expose the abuse, the physical, emotional and sexual
abuse in the sport and everything I am is because
(53:29):
I was able to compete and have the opportunity to
compete and win in sports as a young woman, a
young girl, and then a woman. I want every girl
to have that opportunity. I want my nine year old
daughter to have that opportunity. And brands influence the culture.
We cannot just come at this politically and legislatively. The
reason we are where we are is we seeded too
much ground culturally. I want to just rest back the
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culture with the full force that was taken from us
and make it cool to say what is obvious to
anyone with eyes that men are stronger and faster and
girls deserve their own sports. It's not complicated, but we
let them take the moral high ground and the cool
high grounds, and so even though people agree with us,
they're afraid to say the normal common sense thing.
Speaker 4 (54:13):
For I do think this is significant and important to
keep slamming home. You are an elite female athlete. It
is considered controversial for you not to say boys shouldn't
be able to compete against girls, but to say girls
sports should only be for girls. To your point, culturally,
(54:34):
do you feel like it is shifting now where the
controversial opinion is saying boys should be able to compete
as girls. How would you assess the ground upon which
we're standing on that issue now?
Speaker 7 (54:47):
I think we've made some legislative ground. There's twenty seven states,
as we discussed, that have laws on the books protecting
women's sports. I think the governing bodies we've made some
progress there. The International Olympic Committee has said the Women's
warrias for women only. The Olympics in twenty twenty eight,
we won't see men punching women in a face in
a boxing ring. I think culturally we have a lot
(55:08):
more work to do. All of the crazy people that
hold this crazy view, they're leading institutions. You know, look
at the headlines in newspapers like what you just read universities, academia,
so all of the places that kind of influence and
inform the culture, they're sort of run by this minority viewpoint.
Not a single very high profile currently competing athlete that
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the professional or Olympic level has come out thociperously and
full throatdly in support of the protection of women's sports.
Not one actually came out after the IOC announcement to
say this is great. Not one. I think that says
a lot about where we are in the culture.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
What do you say to the Megan Rapinos of the
world who have said it? Actually, and a lot of
WNBA players have said the same thing. Dawn Staley has
said the same thing, the head coach of South Carolina
women's basketball. Hey, men who identify as women are women,
and they should be able to play women's sports.
Speaker 7 (56:07):
What about the girls? You're so obsessed with this group
that you call a vulnerable minority. Why do we want
to be mean? Why do we want to narrowly to
find what a woman is? What about the girls? What
about the female category that you benefited from. Don't girls
and women today deserve a fair playing field like you enjoyed.
(56:29):
What about the girls? They want us to relentlessly look
at the boys, to look at Aby Hernandez with his
garish makeup and his ridiculousness. They just keep poining us
to them, and they want us to gaze at them.
I just what about the girls? Can you answer that question?
Megan Rabpinat what about the girls?
Speaker 4 (56:45):
Last question for you? You just mentioned the garish makeup. Back
in the day, people would look at white people who
dressed up as black and they would say blackface is
uniquely offensive because of not only putting the makeup on,
but exaggerating the behavior in a way that is stereotypical
in nature. I would argue that woman face for many
(57:08):
of these men, they not only dress up like women,
they behave in these exaggerated, very manic, school girl like behaviors,
even the way they stand, the way they hold their hands,
the way.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
They hold their feet.
Speaker 4 (57:22):
It's creepy and it's strange and it's weird, and most
women don't actually act like that. How has this become normalized?
Speaker 7 (57:32):
It's so gross. It's one of the most grotesque aspects
of this play, and we wouldn't tolerate it from any
other group. I have often pointed out Aby Ornandez a
California athlete. He stands with this pigeon toed knock need stance.
That's this like aweshocks. I'm just a six year old
with a lollipop kind of thing. He has his wrist
(57:54):
flexed back when he's running and jumping. No athlete runs
this way, no girl athlete. It's like it's like the
way a boy would mock running like a girl if
he were asked to do so. It's insulting. It's what
women have fought ants for decades, and they're adopting these
retrograde stereotypes and that's the evidence that they're somehow girls
and women. It's so offensive. I don't even know how
(58:17):
everybody doesn't see it. It is grotesque. If my daughter
acted that way, I would be embarrassed and I would
tell her to stop it and stand up like a
regular person.
Speaker 4 (58:27):
I see all women everywhere, and I am not a
fashioned person, as you well know. But the athleisure where
is wildly popular. The number of women that are listening
to us right now that are wearing it is probably
off the charts. I'd go pick up my kids at
school every mom. It feels like, is wearing athleisure your
brand is the only one that is owned by a woman,
(58:50):
that is run for a woman and actually believes that
women's athletics are for women. If you agree on all
that front and you're wearing any other brand, they actually
don't agree with your beliefs.
Speaker 7 (59:03):
Yeah, and I think people say all the time, I
want a brand that aligns with my values. Okay, you
have one. Now you have one, go get it. And
by the way, you don't have to sacrifice quality, performance
any of it. We make amazing casual gear, we make
high performance gear. If you wear Lulu, if you wear
a v or if you wear a Nike. None of
these brands are going to take a stand for women.
We do it every single day. It's woman owned, it's
(59:25):
women designed for women. But we do make great men
Step two, which I know you wear. But men care
about fairness and truth also. But yeah, people say it
all the time, they say they want brands that align
with their values. Well, put your money where your mouth
is by a brand that aligns with your values.
Speaker 4 (59:42):
Amen, My wife wears it, Riley Gaines wears it. I'm
actually wearing the men's shorts right now. There are four men.
How do people find xxx Y and good luck with
the Supreme Court case.
Speaker 7 (59:52):
Thank you. Go to xx dash x y Athletics dot com.
Times of Father's Day stuff right now.
Speaker 4 (59:59):
Good idea xx slash dash x Y. Just type in
xx slash x Y you'll find it on everywhere. You'll
love the products. Jen, Thanks for all the work you're doing.
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Thank you, Clay.
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Monday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now,
thanks for being here with us, everybody. Hope you had
a fantastic weekend. We've got more of the Scott Pelly fallout.
He is posting yachting or perhaps schooner photos of himself
(00:22):
to show he stands in solidarity with the people. So
we'll have that conversation coming up in a bit. More
on Graham Plattner, and that'll be a thing that we
have to do with the LA mayors race slash governor's
race for California not looking so good right now. The
(00:42):
late ballots coming in are too many, suspiciously suspiciously favoring
the Democrats by a lot, by huge, huge margins. We
can discuss how that is looking, and we've got more
on all this. But also I have to note for
all of you there is a fellow who will be
(01:04):
joining us, assuming all happens as scheduled, which we never know.
But there will be a fellow joining us named Robert
Van Winkle. And now you might be saying, who is
this Robert van Winkle? Is he an esteemed conservative author.
Is he a pundit of the first order?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Is he the heir of Rip van Winkle potentially.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Could be who knows? Oh, oh, I'm sorry Vanilla Ice,
Now you know who I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Rip. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Robert van Winkle is in fact the given name of
a mister Vanilla Ice. For those of you who came
of age, actually forget that. For any of you who
remember the nineties, this is going to be quite a
moment for all of us. In fact, Clay, I not
only celebrate Ice Ice Baby, which immediately the music video
(01:55):
comes up in my mind immediately, the refrain and up,
collaborate and listen is something that just it seered into
our brains. I actually saw a teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Too Secret of the Ooze in theaters, and mister van Winkle,
Vanilla Ice did the theme song for that.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Are you aware of that, Clay, I didn't remember that.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I also, did you need to say the name of
the The name it.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Was Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go was the I think
it was Going Ninja was the song?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Yeah, I did go see all the teenage Ninja Turtle movies.
I did not remember that Vanilla Ice was the soundtrack
king there. But I was saying off air as we
were getting ready to come on, if you had told
me when Ice Ice Baby was the number one song
in America that one day I would meet Vanilla Ice,
(02:52):
and I think it counts as meeting that we're gonna
have him on the show. I would have been ecstatic
on a level that is that is crazy. So I
am looking forward to that interview. By the way, we've
also got the Governor of Indiana not to drown him
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
But he's no Vanilla. He might have some dance moves,
we don't know. He might talk to us, he could freestyle.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
He told us he would come on to talk about
the Chicago Bear situation, and it looks like the Chicago
Bears are moving to Indiana. And then our friend Jennifer Say,
who has the xx x Y product, great brand that
has a crazy basis of existence, which is men and
women are different, and she is going to talk with us.
(03:35):
We're still waiting, remember, for the Supreme Court decision. I
believe it's Idaho and West Virginia. It's been challenged as
to whether or not boys can compete in girls athletics
in those state high school associations. That opinion is still
out there, but we will talk with her. So we
got a fun Monday program as we as we roll
(03:57):
through what did you want to begin? First of all,
Scott Pelley has given one of the most ridiculous interviews
of all time with sixty minutes Graham Platner, the LA
Mayor Trump's going to be watching your beloved New York
Knicks tonight at Madison Square Garden. What did you want
to Dealer's choice begain with today we'll certainly discuss the
Knick situation. I will be watching the game tonight because,
(04:19):
like now so many New Yorkers, I am a diehard
Knicks fan once again after many years of sadness and heartbreak.
Now the Knicks are a team not just worth rooting for,
but they're a.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Team of destiny. They're a team of historic proportions, a
team that some are saying, if it were to win
this championship, which looks likely, they could be arguably the
greatest performing team in a single playoff slash final season
of all time, which is a remarkable situation, especially after
all the years where the New York Knicks were essentially
(04:56):
a team of castaway, former stars with injuries, being overpaid
and underperforming for about twenty years. Now we have something else.
I will note that New York City, unfortunately in this moment,
is having such a brilliant there's really a sense of
joy and funnel the streets. And then unfortunately there was
(05:16):
this like lunatic who ran around stabbing people in Penn Station,
which is right where Madison Square Garden is, which is
right where President Trump will be at the game as well.
Is he going to the game tonight?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Right?
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah, game three tonight at Madison Square Garden. There's lots
of security for our wor listeners anyone in the vicinity
of Madison Square Garden, as one might imagine given the
threats on the President's life in the past, they have
a substantial barrier barricade that they have put up that's more.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Substantial than normal.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Speaking of the President, as we often do, he had.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
A little sit down with Meet the.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Press in Wisconsin and Christian Welker, and we're just going
to give you a little a little taste of there's
a few of the of the key moments here. But
Trump is still very fired up about January sixth, about
the twenty twenty election, and also this January sixth Compensation Fund,
(06:16):
essentially the Anti Weaponization Fund or a fund meant to
begin the process of the government making amends for those
who were horrifically treated because of their presence and in
or around the Capitol in January sixth. This is how
this started. Exchange was going viral over the weekend, play
cut one.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
What they did to the lives of people, They destroyed people,
They sent people to jail who did nothing with them.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Just be very clear, there's no evidence of what you're saying,
but there's a lot about Todd Blent.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
To me, let's talk this tremendous evidence. There is nothing
but election was rigged. It was a dirty election. This
is happening again right.
Speaker 8 (06:57):
Now in down.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Happening right now in California. Right now, it's looking look
at what's happening in California. It's in California.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
It's how they're not there.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
They're dropping fast because it's.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
A rigged election.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
Let me tell you, it's four days and they aren't
even close to.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Coming up there.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
That's how they can You know why.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
They're doing that, because they're cheating on the election.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
There's what do you have evidence.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
I have to do us look or to do listen
and I listen to people and let's see what happens
that's not evident. You think it's appropriate, that's how they
the votes. You think it's appropriate that they have an
election and five days later they're nowhere close to picking
local officials.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
Acknowledge they are slow, they're urging, they're crooked there urging
the votes to be counted.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Cuicker, you take that and run with it.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Have fun.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Look I we said on this program, you go back
and listen. After the Tuesday night results came in, we said,
it looks good for UH, for our friends Spencer Pratt,
and it looks good for Steve Hilton. And we said
that if we were in LA and we were in California,
those are the choices we would have made. On a
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positive side, it looks like Steve Hilton is going to
continue to be one of the top two contenders going
forward and make the runoff the Spencer Pratt data. He
has gone from second place very comfortably, way ahead of
Nittia Raman to as all of these mail in ballots
(08:33):
continue to come in, she has. Nittya Raman has when
people actually went and voted imperfect. In person, she had
a fraction of the support that she has gotten in
the mail in ballots, And I just think when you
look at the data, Buck, you're a data guy too.
Sometimes you can look at data and you can tell
(08:55):
whether the data makes sense or not. And then the
people like Kristen Welker come back and say, prove to
me that there is some form of cheating going on
or some form of the illegality going on. Let me
take it outside of the world of the of the election.
(09:16):
If I flipped a coin and every time it turned
up heads fifty one hundred, one hundred and fifty times
in a row, you might not be able to tell
that the coin is loaded. You might look at it
and say, boy, this really is just amazing it keeps
coming up heads. But statistical improbability is evidence of the
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fact that the things are not on the up and up.
And when you look at the data coming in on
how these votes are occurring for the mail in ballots,
I think the data is clear that something is not right.
And I think the vast majority of you out there
agree with this. If the numbers had stayed relatively consistent, Buck,
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maybe she does a little bit better in the mail.
How in the world can you explain nobody shows up
to vote for her. She's crying on Tuesday night because
her outcome has been so bad, and then they just
keep getting more and more mail ballots, and she's getting
a higher percentage by far of the mail ballots than
even Karen Bass, and that Spencer Pratt is getting none
(10:19):
of them.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
If the percentages just.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Don't add up in any way, I think they want
two left wingers running for mayor because that way they
can avoid Spencer Pratt attacking Karen Bass, the incumbent. I
think Karen Bass would rather run against Ramen And I
just think the data at some point it's a little
bit like steroids era in baseball, when people who never
(10:44):
hit fifty home runs are hitting fifty home runs. You
look at it and you say, this doesn't add up.
I think the same thing happened with Joe Biden. I
know you're not supposed to talk about it. Everybody got
canceled when you would talk about it back in the day.
I don't think Joe Biden got eighty one million legal
votes twenty twenty. I think it's impossible to explain how
he trounced Obama two thousand and eight, how he trounced
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Hillary twenty sixteen, and how he trounced Kamala twenty twenty four.
I think you just look at the data and say
does this add up to me?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
It doesn't.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I don't know if you want to come as aggressive
as I just did, but I just I look at
it and I say, sometimes you can just analyze the
data and say this doesn't happen on the up and up.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Well, let's let's take a look when we come back, Clay,
as part of this, if you want, we can look
at some of the true and clear vulnerabilities. And for
people who like Kristen Welker, who will say, oh, but
the data of the data, part of the problem is
that the way that this is set up, it is
very hard to get the data to prove a fraud,
as in the fraud becomes almost unprovable. And I think
(11:48):
that is by design, right, because if you have no
real like this is where let's get into a chain
of custody and all these different things in the ballots.
But Clay, real quick, let's just let everyone hear this
that we play at the beginning of it this is
how this interview Trump had with Kristin Welker ended cut
to enjoy.
Speaker 7 (12:07):
That's how they.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Very crooked, just like your crooked. Your press is crooked,
and Meet the presence crooked. To be fair, I'm not crooked,
but really, well, you play right into their hands. Zone
You're either crooked or you're stupid. You play right into
their hands with this rap. You know that these elections
are rigged. Your network knows that they're rigged. You know
that I won an election in a landslide and I
(12:30):
got ninety four percent bad press. You know why I
got that presented because you have no credibility.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
But you've never presented evidence there was rigged. Let's keep
talking about.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I want to talk about talk.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
You have more evidence, there's more evidence than ever presented.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
Let's talk.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
Your elections in this country were like a third world country.
So your elections are crooked, and your crooked, and Meet
the Press is crooked, and so is ABC and CBS
and CNN, your one sided, crooked network. So let's call
it quits because I've had.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Enough, Thank you, President.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Let's please.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
I traveled all the way to Wisconsin.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
I know, on and off in the range and I'm
giving you enough time you want to straighten out, get pressed,
because you know what, missip country can never be great travel.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Listen, we traveled all the way to Wisconsin for the interview.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I love everything about this. First of all, all the
way to Wisconsin. She didn't go to the middle of
you know, an antarctic.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
In the interview, it's she she.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Was probably on a private plane from New York City
or d C to UH to Milwaukee. It probably took
what an hour and ten minutes of her time. I mean,
all the way to Wisconsin to me is actually a
little bit telling because it is evidence that if you're
not on the East or the West coast, you might
as well be in the hinter lands. But I love
(13:56):
Trump just getting worked up as the interview went on
and on, and uh, I don't blame him. Look, this
is much of what's happening in LA right now. I
think echoes for him what he saw happen in twenty twenty.
You talked about how it's not only that they do this,
it's that they take glee in telling you there's nothing
improper about what's going on. This is just how democracy works.
(14:16):
And they lecture you and they make you sound like
you're the moron for sitting around and saying, wait a minute,
this seems awfully suspicious and I got, I mean, so
many thoughts about this, but I think it ties in
with Pelly.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
We're gonna have some fun.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
We'll talk about Scott Pelley in a little bits because
he was on his schooner, very upset at what's happened
to sixteen minutes. All you can do is talk like that,
and dumb people think he reminds me of Murphy Brown.
Do you remember the gym character on Murphy Brown that
was like a fit, like making like the old school?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Do you remember that show?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I know it's Monday, it's a little early for shots, Clay,
but like I'm a little too young for that.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I was gonna throw it out there.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Oh that's not poss that's impossible. Clay's like, you remember
that show Mash when it started.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I'm like, no, actually, Clay, I do not remember it
when that began.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
That's you, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
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Speaker 3 (16:10):
Terms apply.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
It is time to stop collaborate and listen. Ice is
back with a brand new guest spot here on the
Clay and Buck Show. That is Vanilla Ice, who I
believe is still set to perform at the America to
fifty festival. We are excited to have him. He's down
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in the great state of Florida. I want to start
before we dive into America to fifty with you. You have
been a pop culture figure for a long time now.
Would you have ever believed that it would become popular
to not like America regardless of whether you're a Democrat,
(17:00):
public or an independent. For many of us who grew
up in the eighties and the nineties, it was regardless
of what your politics were. You thought America was the
greatest country that had ever existed in the history.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Of the world.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Many of us still believe that, but lots don't. Would
you have ever seen the trajectory that we are on occurring?
Speaker 8 (17:21):
Uh?
Speaker 9 (17:22):
Never, never could predict this. And I feel sorry for
the thirty and unders. You know, they're being pulled right
and left and don't understand the history and how it all.
You know, we were so American in the eighties and
the nineties, and I feel like the computers have just
ruined the world if you.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
Really ask me, you know, I just want to live
in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Man.
Speaker 8 (17:42):
But we were all united.
Speaker 9 (17:44):
I think we were all watching Star Wars. I think
we were all growing up to the Ninja Turtles. I
think we were all driving five point zeros and ripping
our back seats out and putting in soboofers in Blockbuster
Video and all the great things about the cheesiness.
Speaker 8 (17:57):
Of it, and those Zeka, ricci Pa and Gerbos and
I mean, we all united.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
And didn't take anything too serious because it was so cheesy.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
How could you.
Speaker 9 (18:08):
Everybody just cracked jokes about everything, and the politics was
one of them. And now everybody's taking everything so serious,
you know, and they've got these uh, I don't know
what they're called. Man, I travel around everywhere, these little
pockets of hate or whatever they are around the country
that just kind of generate that on the thirty and unders.
Speaker 8 (18:27):
And I feel sorry for him.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Man.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
We did have it better as kids.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
We really did a quick quick question point of order here,
do you prefer to be called Robert or mister Ice?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
How do we how do we can we say Robert?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Is that good? Hey?
Speaker 8 (18:41):
I respond either way? I preferred to as rob It's
not as cool as Bada, but I yeah, either way,
whatever you want to say.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I mean, it's it must it's amazing because you are
Clay and I are as much like give them a
hard time, roughly the same age. And so the phenomenon
of the the peak, if you will, of the vanilla
ice phenomena on is something that we lived through as kids.
And I remember being in school and and my Catholic
grammar school in New York City and people trying to
do your dance move like all the time. Man, I mean,
(19:11):
there was a period of time there where everyone was
trying to do the Vanilla Ice moves. Clay doesn't believe it,
but I feel like I actually could probably do some
pretty good I've got some funky there's some funky beats here.
People would be surprised. But going back to the present
day for a moment, the two fifty celebration people have
been pulling out of this. It sounds like because yes,
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they're worried. Maybe their manager says, oh, it's political or something,
even though it really is supposed to be about the
greatness of America. But also there's threats. I mean, is
that have you been have people been getting crazy with
that stuff with you? Or has that not really been
a factor in your two fiftieth celebration preparation so far.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
Ah, I've been taking heat from everybody in anything, but
it's not about that. I get a lot of love,
and I think that's the main thing.
Speaker 8 (19:59):
You know. I never ca to a hater. I just
say later.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
So the truth is, you got to and understand how
love works. And smiles are contagious, man. And this party
is you know, everyone is invited.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
It's not made to be divided.
Speaker 9 (20:16):
Musicians are made to bring people together and I'm just
one of them. Man.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
I don't think anybody should take this too serious. I
don't think it's fair on.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
The musicians to put them in a political platform that
they don't belong. Just say kind of like almost like
you know, and no offense. I can only speak for myself.
But for me, I just shut up and play. I
stayed in my lane. I don't take anything too serious.
If you book me. I know I'm booked by some
fans and I'm ready to go party with them. I
don't dissect who it is or what it is or
(20:47):
anything like that, because I stand for me the party
of the nineties.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I enjoy it, man.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
I don't take anything too serious. I don't think you.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
Should take anything an entertainer says too serious either.
Speaker 8 (20:59):
I think you just enjoy the entertainment. That's all it is.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
When we go back to the nineties for a minute,
and I happened to think the nineties or the greatest
decade that has ever existed in the history of the world.
They're my favorite decade. I know there's people out there
who would argue eighties or nineties. If you need a
good dinner party debate, or you got buddies coming over,
Eighties versus nineties is a really fun debate.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
What was it like for you to.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Go from being completely unknown to famous overnight. There's a
great story I wonder if it has any resonance with
you that the cast of the show Friends went out
to dinner right before the show debuted. I believe they
were out in Las Vegas and they were told, this
is the last time you'll ever be able to go
(21:46):
into a restaurant and just be a normal person. You're
gonna become famous in the nineties. You could really the
eighties too. You could become famous overnight. What was that experience.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Like for you?
Speaker 9 (22:01):
I mean, amazing is a whirlwind and like you're in
a tornado and you know it's I was only sixteen
when I wrote I I's baby man. And then you know,
not even a year later, they say do you want
to be you know, in the Ninja Turtles movie. I
said yes, and I would have paid them, and they
paid me. The great thing is is that, you know,
(22:23):
I have so many great memories of America and what
made me and I've always been patriotic.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
I always hold up the flag.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
And I always really really appreciate these soldiers out there,
you know. And that's the thing that these kids thirty
and under. I don't think they understand the history of
the soldiers and how.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
We got our freedom.
Speaker 9 (22:41):
I think that that maybe they just kind of confused
because they're taking right and left and there's so much
information out there and not enough love.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
And they got to show love on both sides.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Man.
Speaker 9 (22:51):
You know, I don't vote, so it really don't matter
what I have to say about this. But as far
as a musician, I like to bring people together, and
this is our country.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
And I believe we're all one.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
And I don't like news channels dividing the country. I
don't like negativity anywhere. I just like, you know, being
positive and focusing on the cheesiness of you know, back
in the day and kind of carrying that over to
today to show these kids how great we really had it.
Because they're stuck playing Fortnite and stuff. They don't even
want to get out of the house. You know, it's
(23:22):
like we've got in trouble for not coming home on time.
It was a complete different, you know, childhood growing up
and riding skateboards and getting hurt and jumping bikes and figuring.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
Things out on your own.
Speaker 9 (23:35):
And now it's like everything has to be you know,
and I don't know where the AI is going. It's
going to be crazy with the entertainer. But for me,
the fame was amazing. It was a whirlwind. I went
through everything, ups and downs, and what doesn't kill you
makes you stronger man.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
So you know, always say we are who we are
because of who we were.
Speaker 9 (23:53):
And even though I've got some great stories on the
front boards to tell you, you know that I probably
wouldn't wish my life on my worst enemy. It's it's crazy,
you know, to go through that and everything and then
you have to separate it and figure out what your
purpose in life is, what you're meaning. And it's all
about those kids, man. I mean, I know you guys
got kids. I got four, so it's it's something. And
(24:15):
I got a seven year old all the way to
a twenty eight year old, so it's it's amazing to
see them different generations and all the you know, different
things they experience. And all I can tell my kids
is just don't take everything so serious.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
Everything out there they want you to take it serious.
It's like you're the they.
Speaker 9 (24:31):
Got the rabbit, and or you're the rabbit and they're
the freaking carrot and they're pulling it with a string
and you're chasing it.
Speaker 8 (24:38):
Don't be that person. Stand up, smile. You know I
come from When we go.
Speaker 9 (24:43):
To classroom, we would we would pledge allegiance to the flag.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
You know I can still do it today. And that's you.
Speaker 9 (24:50):
Know, that shows you the pride of being an American
and proud to be born and raised here. It made
me and I'm honored for this event man, and and
and who.
Speaker 8 (25:02):
Throws a better party than Trump?
Speaker 9 (25:03):
Man?
Speaker 8 (25:03):
I've been to many of them. If anybody you want
to throw your party, you'd be that guy. He's the greatest.
I'm telling you.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
I've been to magic shows at mar A Lago, I've
been to all kinds of great things and and and
the events that he's done, and they're super awesome.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Man.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
So speaking from somebody an American man.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
So Robert, Robert van Winkle, better known to all of
you as a Vanilla Ice and and Rob. We really
appreciate the call to patriotism and unity, and I wish
that that was reflected in the broader particularly the news media.
But as you might have picked up, Rob, some of
them don't like Trump very much, and anything that has
(25:42):
anything to do with Trump they have nothing but distain
for and hatred for. So we would like this to
be more of a broad and patriotic celebration. I know
that you just want all Americans, really, all people who
want to celebrate America to show up when you're doing
this concert. I have to ask you, I'm just so curious,
what was the moment. I'm sure there was a moment
(26:03):
when you realized, oh, this is like a big this
is a real thing. Going back to the the the
rocket ship that was Ice Ice Baby back in the nineties.
What was the moment when it went from like, first
of all, did you know when you put down that track,
were you like, this is gonna this is gonna crush it?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Like this is gonna be amazing?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
And second of all, when did you realize, oh, this
isn't just a song that is gonna do well and
help build my career. But little kids like Buck Sexton
at age whatever are gonna be with their friends trying
to do the Vanilla Ice dance moves in the courtyard
of their school, all across America, all fifty states. Like,
give me both of those moments if you would.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
Man, it's amazing that this thing took on a life
of its own. When I did Ice, iized, Baby, I
didn't know it was actually the B side when we
put it out, because back in the day we had
vinyl records and you had an.
Speaker 8 (26:54):
A side and a B side.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
So for DJs, they go, let me play the A
side first. It was play that fun music on the
A side, which did go to number six on the
Billboard charts, and then they flipped it over somewhere in
Georgia and it went crazy and the phone started ringing
and everybody was Ice ice Baby, and it was just
a movement and it became an anthem of the nineties.
(27:18):
You know everything about it. You can go back and
look at it and it's just you'll miss it.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Man.
Speaker 9 (27:22):
The five point zeros are so iconic for cruising the streets.
We all had experiences with them. If you didn't have one,
and if you drag raced them, you probably got beat
by one. And everybody kind of ripped out their back
seats and we were in the subwoofers. We had to
curry as screwdriver to tighten the license plate. You know
about this. We went to Blockbuster for our movies. Man,
we learned to dance the cheesiest dance moves. Everything has
(27:44):
changed into this world that is, I don't know, it's
shaken up like a snow globe. But I think I
think if we just get back to the word love, man,
it'll come back together and we can unite instead of dvite.
It's something that musicians are, you know, capable of doing.
Bob Marley was really great at doing that and unifying
people from all different genres, all different race everything, And
(28:08):
you know, I just feel like we should all kind
of go back to that cheesiness of the nineties and
not take anything so serious, man, and get out there
and enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
You mentioned President Trump in the fact you've known him
for a long time.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
You knew him many.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
President Trump was super famous in the eighties, the nineties,
the two thousands, obviously the Apprentice, long before he ever
considered becoming a politician. Were you surprised that President Trump
decided to become involved in politics. What was your experience
you remember the first time you met him, What was
he like? What has your relationship been like with him.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
He's great, He's always been gracious. I live in Palm Beach.
He lives down the street.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
I've gone over there, like I said, and seen some
really good, you know, parties and all kinds of great things,
met some great people and everything. And I would have
gone to any I would have gone to Barack Obama's
and played basketball with him. I kind of wanted to
do that back in the day because I thought he
was a cool dude. I'm just a guy that gets
along with everybody, you know. I'm not someone that takes
any of this political stuff serious. Trump was great, He's
(29:07):
always been gracious, and his I know his family as well.
They're super great kids, super smart, super intelligent, and you know,
to me, I would you can put me on a
chopping block. I don't care because I see it for
what it is. I mean, the guy could be in
San Trape living it up and he chose to be
(29:29):
the president and get shot at. I mean, he's a billionaire.
Why would you want this job? I wouldn't want all
that weight on my shoulders. But as a person that
don't vote, I don't really have much of an opinion
to say anything about like my fans should follow.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
This or that.
Speaker 8 (29:44):
I don't do that. I don't think that any entertainer
should do that.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
I think you should stay in your lane and just
enjoy bringing people together. Man from everywhere. We're all one.
Mediorite hits this planet.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
Now, we all die. Figure it out, you know.
Speaker 9 (29:57):
Jurassic period, Jurassic period, moa satious period.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
It's gonna happen again.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
We all need to unite and unify man and get.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Over all of this.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
The headline the headline from his interview is Vanilla I says,
everyone be cool to each other because the asteroid is
gonna hit the planet any day now, So we're all good.
We're all good, mister Vanilla, thank you for being here.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Rob, We appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (30:22):
Went I went from I went from Rob to mister Vanilla.
Now I love that.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Thank you for being with us, sir, and good luck
at the two fifty at celebration. It's gonna be it's
gonna be phenomenal. Some people are saying, the greatest celebration
of all celebrations, thank you, it.
Speaker 9 (30:37):
Would be fantastic. Go Ninja go Happy Birthday America, Thank.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
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Buck has ducked out for the third hour. Here I
will be with all of you, talk with the Governor
of Indiana here, Mike Braun and also Jennifer Say of
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We got to make sure that we play that for you.
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As the fallout in Maine continues, the LA mayor race
where Spencer Pratt has now fallen into third place. As
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as the vote count continued, We'll continue to take your
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experiencing that. And we've got a brand new cook political report.
But the last time we talked with the Governor of Indiana,
Mike Braun, I said, hey, if the Bears are moving
to Indiana, we will have you back on this story
last week. Got a lot of attention, Governor Braun, Thank
you for coming on with us. Let's just jump right
in here off the top. Do you expect the Chicago
(32:59):
Bears to be playing their football games in the future
in the state of Indiana.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Well, it's not InCD done deal yet, but it's probably
in the red zone to use that metaphor because I
can't remember how much we covered in terms of the timetable.
But they've been trying to get the state slash city.
But I think they wanted to move out of the
city for all the reasons everybody can see.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
The recent mayors.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Would not make that a great place to want to
have any business. But started six years ago and there
was no interest. And then about three years ago, since
this day last week was going to come sooner or
later to make sure that the next six years leading
up to their lease expiration doesn't have to be as
(33:46):
dramatic as.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
What it was leading up to.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
Now where they're focusing to invest in the future. And
so that transpired another two and a half years to
sometime before Christmas.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
We get the.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Call I did, and we had the management and ownership
come down to the residents and talked about what their
issues were, and we made it so easy Clay in
the sense that it was kind of like dealing with
the CEO of another business. Of course, I ran a
business for thirty seven years before I became US Senator
(34:21):
and then governor, and that context, and having done a
lot of real estate during those years, those deals are always.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Tricky if they're of magnitude.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
So now going forward, a lot of it will be
due diligence, and it will be focusing on how great
an investment you can make without having to worry about
your government getting in the way. And the fact that
everything that they had five months to come up with something,
and of course they gabbled out the very last day
(34:52):
of May with nothing. So I think with all that
time having transpired, with how easy it's been working with us.
By the way, a triple A credit rating state with
the hottest economy in the Midwest. I think they're made
the decision as much on the intangibles as.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Opposed to the deal itself.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
So we've got both and now we've got and they've
got probably the confidence that the future is going to
be a lot easier.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
To flesh out. The most important part, and that's getting.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
It done right on the site they select, working with
a partner, it's not going to make it difficult along
the way.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
What does it say big picture about Indiana's ability to
work with businesses to bring jobs to Indiana versus not
only the city of Chicago, but the state of Illinois
in general. Because I think a lot of people here
Chicago bears and think playing in the state of Indiana, Boy,
that is a cultural shift that feels significant.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
What does it tell us.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
It tells us that most blue states, not all, but most,
and especially the one that really double down on their
mentor the federal government California, Illinois, New York, They're just
not going to be in a place where government doesn't
produce anything. You need it for certain things that we
all want. Good roads and bridges, maybe defend the country
(36:19):
without breaking the bank, but all the other stuff generally
gets to be where government is the driver.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
That means that you're going to leave.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
California like Elon Musk did, You're going to be losing
congressional seats because people are voting with their feet. And
Illinois is the biggest example in the Midwest of that.
We got a state reasonable on the regulations, light on taxation,
where work ethic and you know, community, family, faith, all
(36:49):
that stuff still makes a difference in a bigger scale.
Freedom and opportunity, which is what I ran on when
I ran for Senate and governor. And the fewer career
upon peticians we have, and the more that have done
something in the real world before they want to run
big business through government. I think that's the big dynamic
(37:10):
that you're going to see ripple across the country state
by state. And if you're wanting to mimic the federal government,
I worked there six years. Who would want to ever
kind of copy someone that can't spend lesson that takes
in and miss the mark by two trillion dollars a year,
thirty percent of your budget.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
All in that starts to add up.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
I was at the White House last month when the
Indiana who's your football team was recognized for winning the
national championship, something that you probably never thought you would
see in your life. And President Trump gave a shout
out to a lot of different members of the political
world that were also there, including many different state senators
(37:53):
who in the primary season won their primaries and are
going to be replacing senators who did not want to redistrict.
What is the latest that we should know about redistricting
as we look forward. I know it cannot happen now
for the twenty twenty six cycle in Indiana, but what
should we know about what might happen in twenty twenty
seven for the twenty twenty eight cycle.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Well, for any.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Lighthearted Republicans that had issues with that, when the Democrats
have become the gerrymanderers to perfection, and you look at
New England, I won't go into.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
That, it was kind of evening the playing field.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
And when our state senators decide decided to die on
that hill, I told him that doesn't make sense why
you're having this moment of kind of not being able
to see clearly no other state had that difficulty. And
last time I had spoken the President to face the
(38:49):
face was that the National governor's administration, and when I
was walking out, he reminded me that they're going to
be getting involved in those primaries like he said they would.
He talked to them twice. JD came in twice physically.
And why you rebuked that when it didn't make sense
on some type of kind of flaky reason that well,
(39:13):
just because they do it, we shouldn't. That's the kind
of weak need approach to politics. Republicans have taken too long,
and that's why we're in a structural disadvantage when it
comes to how much they've gerrymandered, and even the way
congressional districts are formed, where you count illegal immigration into
the census and do the calculation there most are housed
(39:34):
in California, Illinois, and New York. That could be ten
to fifteen congressional districts. All of that is the rationality
for it, and it won't. We can't do anything to
impact the midterms. Of course, some other states have tried
it where they didn't already have their primaries, But it'll
be an issue once we get right minded individuals elected
(39:56):
this fall. I think that'll be taken up again.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Indiana in general, I just find the Bears situation to
be such a metaphor because for so long, Chicago was
the capital of the Midwest, the city that so many
people who graduate from Big ten schools my wife is from,
went to the University of Michigan. It feels like it
was a funnel. Everybody kind of went into Chicago. Are
(40:22):
you seeing that start to change, because I'll tell you this,
A lot of people, it feels like, are leaving Chicago,
which is why I think the Bears are kind of
a symptom, a symbol of dysfunction that's there. How's Indiana
benefiting from people who have decided, you know what, I
don't want to stay in Illinois anymore.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Chicago. Maybe there's another city that makes more sense.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
So I was.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
Reading a report and it said net migration into states,
not immigration migration people leaving one state to go to another.
I knew Texas, Florida, probably Tennessee was going to be there.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Carolina's I think everyone.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
We've mentioned so far in red states, and get the
number seven. It's Indiana. We were the only state in
the northern half of the country where people are moving
into it. Fort Wayne's the fastest growing city in the Midwest,
not the cities that are structurally blue from top to bottom,
and almost every large city is and look at their
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own issues. But no, we have people moving in from
Illinois and the demographic moving into Fort Wayne at the
highest percentage Chicagoans. So Lake County, which is where Hammond is,
is turning. It's not had a Republican US rep in
I think ninety six years. We're getting so close. That
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used to be a margin of thirty seventy red to blue.
Now it's nearly even.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
That's the difference.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
And people will vote with their feet if you keep
putting bad stuff on them in the places that roll,
like the federal government California, Illinois, New York. They were
the three biggest and the worst at it, and sooner
or later that happens, then you say, wow, what could
we have done better? You could have done better just
by using common sense and making sure that you don't
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grow government, you grow the real economy.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Are people going to be troubled now when it comes
to deciding whether they're going to vote for the Indiana
based Chicago Bears or the Indiana based Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
I think when we ran that by the Colts, we
figured in a place like Indiana, they would embrace the
addition of and that is true. They welcomed the fact
that the Bears would be coming into the state just
like I anticipated they would. I know the organization, and
I think they know it's a win. They know how
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good it's been to be. You know, here in Indiana,
there's not one Hoosier that would for any reason say
I wish we didn't have the Colts.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
The mayors are going to be accepted the.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
Same way, and they're going to be glad that they're
going to get a stadium. It's probably a lot better
than if you built it there in Illinois. It's going
to be in a location where you can finally tailgate
do all kinds of mixed use investment because we make
that easy, not difficult. So I think all in all,
Hoosiers will welcome them with open arms outstanding.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
We appreciate the time, Governor Mike Braun of Indiana. When
it is officially official, we will have you on again.
But congrats on how things are going on Indiana, and
early congrats on the potential move.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Thank you Clayon. When it happens, we'll be sure to get.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
Back on for sure that is Indiana Governor Mike Braun,
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have a relationship with. They have a crazy perspective that
men and women are different and that men shouldn't be
able to win women's championships. And Jennifer joins us. Now,
this story has not gone away because Democrats have gone
insane on it, and we've been talking about California a lot,
as the governor's votes still come in and as the
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mayor's votes come in. You lived in the Bay Area
for a long time working with Levi's, can you believe
that there are still boys identifying as girls that are
winning girls state championship? And I don't know if you
read the La Times article about one of these individuals,
but it's one of the craziest sports articles I've ever
(45:54):
seen in my life.
Speaker 7 (45:57):
I did read it, excuse me, and I saw the picture.
I can't remember the headline, Clay, maybe you can remember it,
but it was something about how this boy wrapped in
love overcame all the meanies who like Donald Trump. I
mean that was essentially the headline. Yes, but this is
a boy who won two state championships for the second
(46:18):
year in a row. We still don't know if he's
going to compete in college. He's a senior this year.
I think it's very likely that he will compete for
a UC or cal state and they just haven't said
it yet because of the onslaught. But it's not just California,
it is Colorado where I live, even West Virginia. We'll
(46:38):
get to the Supreme Court cases. I know that West Virginia,
a boy just want a sophomore in high school just
won the West Virginia state state championship in the shoplat
So it's happening across the country. Can I believe it?
Speaker 5 (46:52):
No?
Speaker 7 (46:52):
I can't believe any of this is happening. I can't
believe we can't win because it's so stupid the other side,
it doesn't even make any sense. And yet here we are.
We have to keep fighting it legislatively and culturally.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
Here is the headline that you just referenced in the
La Times. This is a real article. Shielded by love.
Transgender athlete ab Hernandez defeated vitriol stoked by Trump.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Again.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
The controversy here is President Trump and many people out
there have a wide variety of political perspectives who are
just not insane have said boys should compete against girls,
boys should not compete against girls, boys should compete against boys,
girls should compete against girls. And this guy who identified
as a girl has now won. I think it's three
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straight years of state high school championships in California. And
you just mentioned, Jennifer, the fact that I believe it's
Idaho in West Virginia. There is a Supreme Court case
that theoretically we're going to get a decision on this
month about whether or not this states of Idaho and
West Virginia can say girls sports can only be played
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by girl by girls. What's the latest there? What do
we expect? What do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 7 (48:12):
Yeah, So these cases were bundled together. They were heard
before the Supreme Court on January thirteenth. I think I
was on your show that day explaining what those cases
were about. There was a rally on the steps of
the Supreme Court. Two cases bundled together, one in Idaho
a man wanted to compete at Boise State and track
and field, and the other in West Virginia, a young
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adolescent boy who had been on puberty blockers since you
know he was very young and estrogen who wants to
compete on the girls track and field team in West Virginia.
The arguments to some extent in these cases conflict with
each other because, of course, the argument with the adult
male is he should be included he's a woman. But
the argument with the adolescent male as well, he didn't
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go through mail puberty on puberty blockers, so he has
no advantage, which would suggest that the other guy does
have advantage. We know they both have advantage. Anyway, what
will be decided, which you just alluded to and you're
the lawyer, not me, but essentially whether the twenty seven
states that currently have laws on the books protecting women's
sports can they continue to do so? So are are
those laws constitutional? What it will not do, no matter
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what happens is forced the twenty three states that includes California,
that includes Colorado, that don't have laws in the books
that put gender identity above sex, It will not force
them to change their ways. And so we will not
be done yet. We're halfway done in about a little
more than half the states, but will need to keep
going because girls in California deserve fair competition too, not
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to mention. You know this in sports, if you compete
at a high level and elite level, you compete across
state lines. So if a girl in Tennessee makes a
national championship and competes against California team, so she has
to compete against the boy there, how is that going
to work?
Speaker 4 (50:00):
I think that Democrats would stay crazy on this or
after the Trump election win in twenty twenty four, almost
immediately in February of twenty twenty five, he had a
big ceremony he said, girls are not going to have
to compete against boys in Ncuba championships anymore. Of course,
Leah Thomas, a boy pretending to be a girl one
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in n cublea swimming title in twenty twenty two. Did
you think Democrats are just going to say, okay, Trump
changed the rules. Maybe now the Supreme Court's going to
change the rules. Did you think they were going to
stay crazy or did you think they were going to
kind of give up on this fight.
Speaker 9 (50:36):
No?
Speaker 7 (50:37):
I thought they were going to stay crazy. I was
in the room when he signed the executive order. I
was standing right behind him, and the mood was so
festive and celebratory, and I wanted to be optimistic and
cheerful because it was a great moment. But I knew
in my heart of hearts we were that, you know,
play anything he does, they just want to fight him more.
I knew it would get worse, not better.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
So you were an elite Olympic gymnast for people who
do not remember your history. And some people out there
will say, why do you care? It's only a few people,
pretend that that were true. What would your response be
to that argument?
Speaker 7 (51:16):
To those people, Well, it's not a few, and it
grows every single year, but one is too many, I
would say back to them, do we allow one guy
to take performance enhancing dress? Oh, it's just the one
guy who cares. Let him take his steroids? Who cares?
Speaker 3 (51:30):
So what?
Speaker 7 (51:31):
He hits more home runs than everybody else, So what
he shaved two seconds off this time. No, we don't
allow it. Once sports to make them watchable, threat to
want to watch, we rely on the rules being fair.
It's not fun. If the fix is in, it's not
fun to watch. And if boys can gain an advantage,
I mean, these are all crappy male athletes that make
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the switch. They are of no repute, they have no
ranking and suddenly they just snd them ranks. Oh and
by the way, they get snaps and claps, and you know,
they have victims status and their overcoming adversity, and they
win the lottery, they win the medals, and they win
the cheers and applause, even though the vast majority of
us disagree with this happening. So I can't explain it, Clay,
(52:14):
I wouldn't want to climb into the Democrat's brand on this,
But no, I don't think they're ever going to give
it up. I think we have a long, long road ahead.
Speaker 4 (52:21):
Why did you find found the brand that you did?
What is xx x y for people out there who
don't know If you agree that men should not be
competing in women's sports, there's basically one athletic brand that
will actually say that. And by the way, OutKick was
the only sports media brand that would say it for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
How crazy is it that Nike.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
Is putting boys in girls gear and trying to sell
girls gear that way? Many other different athletic brands have
done the same. You worked for a long time at
Levi's in San Francisco. You were not someone who was
particularly political to my knowledge, and then you said, I
can't deal with this anymore.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Why the brand?
Speaker 7 (53:05):
Yeah, I mean I left the left. I was a
Democrat because of COVID policy and that just sort of
I then was looking at everything and this obviously is
so crazy, and I've take a long taken a stands
in defensive female athletes. I was the first gymnast, former
gymnast to expose the abuse, the physical, emotional and sexual
abuse in the sport and everything I am is because
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I was able to compete and have the opportunity to
compete and win in sports as a young woman, a
young girl, and then a woman. I want every girl
to have that opportunity. I want my nine year old
daughter to have that opportunity. And brands influence the culture.
We cannot just come at this politically and legislatively. The
reason we are where we are is we seeded too
much ground culturally. I want to just rest back the
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culture with the full force that was taken from us
and make it cool to say what is obvious to
anyone with eyes that men are stronger and faster and
girls deserve their own sports. It's not complicated, but we
let them take the moral high ground and the cool
high grounds, and so even though people agree with us,
they're afraid to say the normal common sense thing.
Speaker 4 (54:13):
For I do think this is significant and important to
keep slamming home. You are an elite female athlete. It
is considered controversial for you not to say boys shouldn't
be able to compete against girls, but to say girls
sports should only be for girls. To your point, culturally,
(54:34):
do you feel like it is shifting now where the
controversial opinion is saying boys should be able to compete
as girls. How would you assess the ground upon which
we're standing on that issue now?
Speaker 7 (54:47):
I think we've made some legislative ground. There's twenty seven states,
as we discussed, that have laws on the books protecting
women's sports. I think the governing bodies we've made some
progress there. The International Olympic Committee has said the Women's
warrias for women only. The Olympics in twenty twenty eight,
we won't see men punching women in a face in
a boxing ring. I think culturally we have a lot
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more work to do. All of the crazy people that
hold this crazy view, they're leading institutions. You know, look
at the headlines in newspapers like what you just read universities, academia,
so all of the places that kind of influence and
inform the culture, they're sort of run by this minority viewpoint.
Not a single very high profile currently competing athlete that
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the professional or Olympic level has come out thociperously and
full throatdly in support of the protection of women's sports.
Not one actually came out after the IOC announcement to
say this is great. Not one. I think that says
a lot about where we are in the culture.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
What do you say to the Megan Rapinos of the
world who have said it? Actually, and a lot of
WNBA players have said the same thing. Dawn Staley has
said the same thing, the head coach of South Carolina
women's basketball. Hey, men who identify as women are women,
and they should be able to play women's sports.
Speaker 7 (56:07):
What about the girls? You're so obsessed with this group
that you call a vulnerable minority. Why do we want
to be mean? Why do we want to narrowly to
find what a woman is? What about the girls? What
about the female category that you benefited from. Don't girls
and women today deserve a fair playing field like you enjoyed.
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What about the girls? They want us to relentlessly look
at the boys, to look at Aby Hernandez with his
garish makeup and his ridiculousness. They just keep poining us
to them, and they want us to gaze at them.
I just what about the girls? Can you answer that question?
Megan Rabpinat what about the girls?
Speaker 4 (56:45):
Last question for you? You just mentioned the garish makeup. Back
in the day, people would look at white people who
dressed up as black and they would say blackface is
uniquely offensive because of not only putting the makeup on,
but exaggerating the behavior in a way that is stereotypical
in nature. I would argue that woman face for many
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of these men, they not only dress up like women,
they behave in these exaggerated, very manic, school girl like behaviors,
even the way they stand, the way they hold their hands,
the way.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
They hold their feet.
Speaker 4 (57:22):
It's creepy and it's strange and it's weird, and most
women don't actually act like that. How has this become normalized?
Speaker 7 (57:32):
It's so gross. It's one of the most grotesque aspects
of this play, and we wouldn't tolerate it from any
other group. I have often pointed out Aby Ornandez a
California athlete. He stands with this pigeon toed knock need stance.
That's this like aweshocks. I'm just a six year old
with a lollipop kind of thing. He has his wrist
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flexed back when he's running and jumping. No athlete runs
this way, no girl athlete. It's like it's like the
way a boy would mock running like a girl if
he were asked to do so. It's insulting. It's what
women have fought ants for decades, and they're adopting these
retrograde stereotypes and that's the evidence that they're somehow girls
and women. It's so offensive. I don't even know how
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everybody doesn't see it. It is grotesque. If my daughter
acted that way, I would be embarrassed and I would
tell her to stop it and stand up like a
regular person.
Speaker 4 (58:27):
I see all women everywhere, and I am not a
fashioned person, as you well know. But the athleisure where
is wildly popular. The number of women that are listening
to us right now that are wearing it is probably
off the charts. I'd go pick up my kids at
school every mom. It feels like, is wearing athleisure your
brand is the only one that is owned by a woman,
(58:50):
that is run for a woman and actually believes that
women's athletics are for women. If you agree on all
that front and you're wearing any other brand, they actually
don't agree with your beliefs.
Speaker 7 (59:03):
Yeah, and I think people say all the time, I
want a brand that aligns with my values. Okay, you
have one. Now you have one, go get it. And
by the way, you don't have to sacrifice quality, performance
any of it. We make amazing casual gear, we make
high performance gear. If you wear Lulu, if you wear
a v or if you wear a Nike. None of
these brands are going to take a stand for women.
We do it every single day. It's woman owned, it's
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women designed for women. But we do make great men
Step two, which I know you wear. But men care
about fairness and truth also. But yeah, people say it
all the time, they say they want brands that align
with their values. Well, put your money where your mouth
is by a brand that aligns with your values.
Speaker 4 (59:42):
Amen, My wife wears it, Riley Gaines wears it. I'm
actually wearing the men's shorts right now. There are four men.
How do people find xxx Y and good luck with
the Supreme Court case.
Speaker 7 (59:52):
Thank you. Go to xx dash x y Athletics dot com.
Times of Father's Day stuff right now.
Speaker 4 (59:59):
Good idea xx slash dash x Y. Just type in
xx slash x Y you'll find it on everywhere. You'll
love the products. Jen, Thanks for all the work you're doing.
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Thank you, Clay.
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