Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jun 10 2026

Trump Preempts Clay Buck Sexton hosts solo while Clay Travis testifies before Congress, setting the stage for a wide-ranging discussion of major political news, criminal justice issues, and policy developments under President Donald Trump. Buck opens the hour by highlighting President Trump’s wide-ranging press conference, describing it as a “Trumpethon” covering critical topics including Iran, border security, crime policy, and even proposed structural changes to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI). The broadcast emphasizes Trump’s active leadership style and signals potential policy shifts aimed at streamlining intelligence operations and strengthening national security. A major focus of Hour 1 is Trump’s signing of the Secure America Act, a key immigration and border security bill designed to fully fund Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Buck underscores that this legislation reinforces one of the central pillars of Trump’s second-term agenda: restoring border security, increasing deportations, and reducing illegal crossings. He details new data showing historically low border apprehensions and rising deportation numbers, framing these developments as evidence of a dramatic reversal from prior immigration policies. The discussion positions immigration and the economy as the two dominant issues shaping the upcoming midterm elections, with Buck noting voter concerns over inflation, rising gas prices, and the geopolitical impact of tensions with Iran. This Was Not Self Defense Buck examines claims from some demonstrators that the justice system is racially biased, rejecting these arguments and discussing what they view as a growing narrative within parts of the media and activist circles that mischaracterizes violent incidents through a racial lens. He addresses the role of media bias, identity politics, and public perception, arguing that these narratives can distort clear legal realities and undermine trust in institutions. Buck expands into a broader discussion of race relations in America, systemic bias debates, and cultural narratives, with Buck asserting that while racism exists globally, the United States remains comparatively tolerant. Buck emphasizes the importance of individual accountability regardless of race, while also acknowledging feedback from listeners with differing viewpoints, including perspectives on fairness, presumption of innocence, and comparisons to other controversial self-defense cases. This Week in Hate Crimes Conservative commentator Ann Coulter breaks down the Karmelo Anthony case, where Buck and Coulter argue the facts clearly disproved claims of justified self-defense, criticizing media narratives and public reactions that attempted to politicize the case. They compare the response to historical flashpoints like the O.J. Simpson trial, discussing broader themes of race, media bias, and public perception, while emphasizing that this case did not reach the same national divide. The conversation shifts into a sharp critique of the mainstream media landscape, highlighting controversy surrounding CBS and journalist Scott Pelley, with criticism of legacy media figures and discussion about the decline of traditional television news outlets like CNN, CBS, and MSNBC. Coulter and Buck explore how media credibility, audience trust, and digital disruption are reshaping journalism, suggesting that newer voices and platforms are overtaking legacy institutions in influence and relevance. Sen. Paul: Defund Fraud! Immigration and public safety become major focal points, particularly in the interview with Senator Rand Paul, who outlines the significance of President Trump’s newly signed Secure America Act, emphasizing increased border security funding, ICE enforcement, and efforts to curb illegal immigration. Paul frames this as one of the defining achievements of the Trump administration, noting the dramatic reduction in illegal border crossings. The discussion expands into concerns over government spending, welfare policy tied to immigration, and fraud prevention, with Paul advocating fiscal restraint through his “six percent spending cut” proposal to address the escalating national debt, now approaching $40 trillion.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. It's Wednesday, everybody, It's Clay and Buck time.
Although today just Buck Clay doing his civic duty on
Capitol Hill where he is testifying from big time stuff
testifying before Congress. We'll bring you some of the highlights
of that. I want to save most of it though,

(00:20):
for when Clay is back he can tell you himself.
We've got a lot of news because Trump is I
just had to turn it off because I'm on air.
He was doing a press conference until a couple of
minutes ago. He covered everything. It was a Trump athon.
Everything he's talking about Iran, He's talking about the border,
about crime, about the d NI. Trump is saying the

(00:43):
DNI needs to be chopped down a lot and maybe
go away. Maybe someone's been listening to the Clay and
Buck Show just saying everybody, Uh, that just came out. Now, guys,
make sure you pull that clip, by the way, because
the Buckster wants to take a little, a little mini
bow on that one. It was funny, actually, just a
little oh, a little inside baseball for you. We were

(01:04):
all geared up to watch our man Clay testifying on
Capitol Hill.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
We all were the whole team, right New York.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm here in Miami. We're all about to text. We
see Clay sit down. By the way, he was wearing
a jacket and tie. I barely even recognize the guy.
It felt like he was going in for a job
interview somewhere, like Clay's in a jacket and tie. I
bet he's wearing flip flops under the desk. Nonetheless, he's
about to start, and then they go they make that
we were watching the Fox Feed. They make that breaking
news sound at Fox and go, wait, what's going on

(01:31):
Clay's about?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
If they jump to President Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Who's doing the press, I'm like, oh man, if you're
gonna get big footed, as they say by somebody when
you're on TV, best at it be Trump, because no
shame in that game.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
He is the leader of the free world. But he
will bring some.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Of the highlights from Clay's excellent testimony on the NFL,
which is a subject he is very deep on, and
I am a I have no idea what about that stuff.
I don't even watch the NFL. We've got that to
talk about. We got all the Trump stuff from the
press confidence. We are going to dive into. We have
some important crime stories to discuss. I know a lot

(02:10):
of you know this, but just to bring us all
up to speed, Carmelo Anthony in Texas convicted right after
we got off air yesterday, convicted of murder. Now, I
was a little bit, honestly concerned that because they were
able to get a manslaughter possibility for the jury, that
maybe they would a lot of times juries even if

(02:33):
they know someone did the criminal act. I'll go, well,
you know, we we'll kind of go down the middle
on this one. Jury returned exactly the right verdict and
beyond that, which was which was murder, okay, so the
more severe the more severe count, and then beyond that
he got thirty five years. So they really made a

(02:56):
statement here. They decided that the facts in this case,
which we've discussed a bit on the show, the facts
in this case were really not in dispute. It was
just a question of if someone says something you don't
like to you, can you just pull out a knife

(03:16):
and stab them in the heart. Basically, and fortunately for civilization,
for rule of law, for people of all races, religions, colors, genders,
you name, it. This Texas jury and this court of
law came back with no, you're not allowed to just
stab someone in the heart because you didn't like them

(03:38):
asking you to go somewhere else when you're not supposed
to be where you are. So that was It's encouraging
and so far as it's the right judicial earth. It
is also, though still worth noting the Metcalf family has
been shattered by this, by the murder of their wonderful
young man for absolutely no reason, completely sensely. So it's

(04:00):
a tragedy, but at least there's some justice to put
closure to the tragedy, although I know people who deal
with violent crimes will often say that closure is not
really possible, but you do the best you can, and
as a society, at least we have seen the right
outcome here. I bring all that up because there were
people outside that trial and we won't get to some
of this, who are outraged at the verdict. I did

(04:24):
not see anyone on video who was non black who
was outraged at the verdict. I'm not saying that didn't exist.
I'm just saying all the clips that I have seen
and that we have pulled today for the show are
black supporters of Carmelo Anthony who are not saying things
like I am sad for his family.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
This was a tragedy.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
He made a terrible mistake, and I think that maybe
the punishment is more severe or something like that. I
would disagree that the punishment is too severe, but at
least there's some moral framework to that. They're just saying,
I can't believe he was convicted. This is awful. They
apparently think that a young black man should be able
to stab a young white man in the heart for
no reason to get away.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
With it, because the legacy of racism in this country.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Something like that. It's really disturbing to see. And we
will talk more about that later on the show. Because
there's also in New York City a really upsetting, another
really upsetting case where you had someone who just asked
And this this one hits home for me because I
am that guy who will ask the person in let's say,

(05:36):
the quiet car on Amtrak, to like, please stop shouting
into your phone, like we all agreed by sitting here.
You agree to the rules, and there are rules, and
I tend to be that person. I don't like this
term that people used to use Karen because in my experience,
a lot of quote unquote Karens are heroes actually, and they.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Are standing on the wall.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
They are saving us from the bar barbarism of people
who just don't want to think about anyone else, who
just don't want to pay attention to any rules, who
have no consideration for their fellow human beings. But a
man asks someone on the subway to lower the volume
on his speakerphone conversation, and the person the quote teen.

(06:18):
We can look at the statistics and have about a
ninety five percent probability of knowing who this teen is
in terms of profile. He shot him a death, shot
him a death for asking, hey, can you lower the
volume on that? Then the person gets really angry. The

(06:39):
quote unquote teen probably eighteen or nineteen. I really the
way they deploy this word teen is so it's so
interesting because when you're nineteen, are you technically a teen? Yes,
but you're also a fully legal adult in all matters
save drinking and rental cars. I think I don't think
there's anything else that you are from at nineteen. I

(07:01):
also think it's worth noting that there are seventeen year
olds who joined the Marine Corps and correct me any
of any of you leathernecks out there if I'm wrong,
but I believe that you can get permission. I think
people have joined the Marine Corps at seventeen. I think
my friend dj Shipley, former Navy seal, I think he
joined the Navy at seventeen. So you know, this notion
of like, oh, it's a teen, there is a world

(07:24):
of difference in every respect, And especially those of you
who are parents that have raised raised your children through
to adulthood know this. The difference between a thirteen year
old and an eighteen year old than just understanding of
the world and culpability and everything else, is massive. So
to call both a teen when you're talking about a
violent murder, okay, Well, you know there's a whole lot

(07:47):
more culpability rather and usually capability as well for somebody
who's eighteen or nineteen. Anyway, I'll talk more about that.
We have some updates also on the California election situation
and Graham Platner. They they're going with Graham Platner. Everybody
up in Maine they have not decided that this guy

(08:10):
is I don't know, dare I say too toxic? Is
that the is that the preferred way to describe him,
but a couple of things. Let's get to the national
policy level, and then I will want to drill down
on the crime situation. And of course our lines are open.
We'd love to chat with you if you have any
questions you want or guys, is play testifying? Is he

(08:31):
done or is there more coming up? Let me know,
because I was gonna say, we can get if you
have any specific things that you want addressed about the
NFL stuff, maybe he could he could answer in one
of his breaks, because again I don't know. It's something
about antitrust and football games. That's not something I'm that into.
So President Trump first of all, signed the Secure America

(08:54):
Act this morning to fully fund CBP and Immigration and
Custom Enforcement. Now this is good for a variety of reasons.
Good for a variety of reasons. One, it is the
President following through on not only of course funding these agencies,

(09:16):
but also pushing back the focus to securing our border. Here,
this is cut to this is Trump this morning, just
before we came on here, about an hour before at
the White House.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Here he is play it this morning.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
I'm thrilled to sign the Secure America Act immediately and
fully fund the Department of Homeland Security through the end
of my term, so we won't have that to be
talking about it. We'll give the heroes of Ice and
Border Patrol, and that's what they are, the heroes, what
they have to go through to keep us safe, to

(09:53):
support and resources they need to defend our borders, protect
our homeland and to keep America safe.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
So they're funded, which is good. Now we need to
see a massive effort. I think this is very important
for the midterm elections. It's also just important for the
country to focus in on the agenda of rule of
law when it comes to immigration, and that means a
whole lot of deportations. Of course, maintaining a secure border.

(10:26):
This is one of the fundamental promises of Trump's second term,
and I know they've been very active on it. I
know the numbers reflect that this has been something that
they are achieving at least in part, or they are
in progress on. They are making progress on it. But
this stuff with Iran, I'm going to tell you right now,
everybody who's we've gone from oh wait, why are we

(10:50):
don't talk about the Iran thing? It's just helping the
Democrats or whatever, to guys. You've got people who are
ringing the alarm bell inside the GOP who are saying
that this price issue is going to be a real
problem for us in the midterms.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
You can disagree with it. I can disagree with it.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
And I don't like it, meaning I don't want people
to be making determinations about the future of this republic
based upon short term gas prices.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
But that is political reality. We live in reality here.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
We do not do the the dare I say, manufactured
delusion stuff. And you've had food prices now a whole
range of things going up as of this morning, gasoline
is up forty percent, fuel oil is up fifty nine percent.
Inflation four point two percent today overall, but things like

(11:45):
meat is up about eight percent. I mean, a whole
bunch of different food stuffs. Daily necessity items are more expensive.
The prices because of this Iran situation have started a
trend in the wrong direction. This is not pull it
out fatal. I'm not saying it's not worth it necessarily
to try to prevent it on from getting a nuclear weapon.

(12:06):
I'm just saying Trump now with his team looking at
the issue of immigration as something to really focus in
on alongside prices, but immigration between now an election day
could make a huge difference because.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
It's go time, right, this is it.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Trump really has one more year after the midterm to
implement the agenda before we get into a presidential election year.
There'll be things he can do, there'll be executive orders,
et cetera. But if we lose control of the House,
you're limited. If you lose control of the Senate, you're
really limited in what Trump will be able to accomplish.

(12:46):
So you know, you have to think of it in
those terms. You've basically got one more if we hold
the line in this midterm election, which is going to
require the GOP to have a focus on domestic issue,
specifically the economy and the border or the economy and immigration.
If we hold the line, then you have another year

(13:07):
where really important things can get done. If we lose,
obviously we keep fighting. We never were happy warriors, but
it's gonna be a lot more challenging. So that's why
Trump's executive order, I'm sorry, Trump, it's not an executive order.
That's why Trump's signing the Secure America Act, the law
to fully fund CBP and ICE, is a strong move.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
We need more of that. We'll bring you some more
of the highlights from Trump this morning.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
We'll also talk a bit about the aftermath of the
Carmelo Anthony verdict. Verdict of guilty of murder, and it
was the right outcome, but the conversation around this now
tells us a lot about both criminal justice and racial
dynamics in America that we need to examine as a
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start saving today. So we were talking about the Carmelo
Anthony conviction and we're getting some talkbacks and calls back
in on this one. Here is this is an important

(15:32):
point from the trial. J from Sacramento who listens on KFBK.
This is what he had to say. Hit see, guys,
I just want to clear up.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Did Austin Metcalf actually put his hands on Carmelo.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
There's lots of people online to say that he was
beating him people outside the courthouse.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
It's a very good question. There were multiple and I
went through the transcript of the testimony here. There were
multiple eyewitnesses. Remember this was done in full view of
lots of people. This wasn't like behind the bleachers with
no one watching. There are multiple eye witnesses who all
basically said that Metcalf put a hand on Anthony's shoulder

(16:14):
to start to move him out of the tent. Anthony
was asked fifteen times by individuals in the tent to leave.
He was not welcome there. He was not supposed to
be there based on these high school event rules. You know,
it would be like if somebody from the opposing team
came and sat on your bench, like, you know, you're

(16:35):
not supposed to be there, rules that everybody else was
fine obeying and respecting. And there is dispute among the witnesses,
I should say discrepancy, not really dispute, discrepancy among the
witnesses as to whether it was more of a hand
on the shoulder to guide him out or something of
a shove right like, shoved his shoulder. He did not

(16:56):
strike him, he was not beating him. He did not
have his hands around his road or anything like that.
A shove on the shoulder. Another important part of this
is Anthony kept saying, touch me and see what happens.
Touch me and see what happens, knowing that he had
a knife ready to go at this high school event. Now,

(17:17):
some people do not understand how self defense law works,
as somebody who does conceal carry here both sometimes a
knife and or a pistol in Florida, I have to
be very well acquainted with this, and I know it's
different state to state to be clear, but there's some
basic principles.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
That are pretty pretty.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Common across all states on this one, and one of
them is just it has to be proportionate.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
You know, you have to be incredible fear.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
And this is what I meant by If somebody is
walking past me on the street and I'm looking at
my phone and we bump shoulders and I.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Say, oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
If they pull out a gun and shoot me at
point blank range, because they say that they were scared
and they felt like they were under assault, They're going
to go to prison. Okay, you have to have more
than just like somebody came into physical touch with me.
You know, if somebody tapped me on the shoulder and
it's an old friend, I could theoretically turn around and

(18:16):
stab them because I say, oh my god, I was
assaulted on the street. They made physical contact with me.
A jury is going to say, no, you killed someone.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
That's murder. You had no justification to do it.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
It has to be a reasonable level of force for
a reasonable perception of threat. Okay, so that because everyone goes, oh,
but he made physical contact. These are high school kids.
Do you think about what that rule would then mean.
I mean, I you know, people I got into a
couple of scraps when I was in high school with people.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
They were nothing serious.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
I wasn't some tough guy or anything, but you know,
grabbing and shoving and stuff, and you know, this kind
of stuff happened. Imagine if you could just carry a
knife around that if anyone touches you, just stab him
in the face. Touch me first, stab him in the face.
Your high school students go to the dean, right, I mean,
you know, go to a teacher and be like, you know,
expel this kid, you stab him. So all these people

(19:10):
that are trying to now say, oh, but he made
physical contacts with that, No, they're wrong. They don't understand
the law and they don't understand ethics, and what they're
saying is.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Stupid. So here we go.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
We have unidentified listener from San Antonio listens on w
o A.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
I this is d Let's hear what this gentleman has
to say.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
Man, oh, white Jude and black boy talking to a
white woman.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
They didn't get a debt penalty because he's a black
boy talking.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
To white woman.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I mean, that's just unfortunately ignorant, wrong on every level,
wrong as a matter of law, wrong on on on
the facts. But just to give you a sounds some
we have people even who listening to this show who
were going to disagree with me on this, and they're
free to disagree, they're free to be wrong. This was
the this was the right outcome in this case. And

(20:10):
the whole thing is very sad and just a it's
just all lost. It's all bad, this whole situation. But
I want to also just move to because I mentioned
this thing of Carmelo Anthony, what really instigated the whole
thing is he didn't think the rules applied to him too.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
He didn't want to.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
And you can say, oh, it's not a law, yeah,
but it's an understood, civilized way to interact with your
high school peers that do you have your tent, they
have their tent. It's a competitive event. You know, you're
not supposed to be Everybody else was fine with the rules.
He thought the rules didn't apply to him. And then
he instead of saying, oh my gosh, you guys are right,

(20:50):
I'm sorry, I'll head over to, you know, the other
tent or something, he wanted to. He knew he had
a knife, and he wanted to. He wanted to throw down.
And now he's gonna spend at least fifteen years prison
for it, maybe longer. There was an incident in New
York City that just happened, and this is something that
I think really does hit home for a lot of us.
This is it was on Monday, a bus passenger named

(21:14):
Jonathan Pettigrew, forty one years old, ask day Quote team
to lower his phone phone volume on a public bus.
And this is the WABC report from New York on
this play eleven.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
It started with an argument about someone yelling to loudly
on his phone and it ended in gunfire and a
forty one year old man dead. And it happened on
an MTA bus. Surveillance video shows passengers running off that
bus moments after gunshots rang out, including at least one
rider with a baby stroller. According to police, the victim
told the suspect to keep it down, an argument ensued,

(21:49):
and then the gunman shot the victim in his abdomen
on a b X thirty six bus. It happened yesterday
around two thirty in the afternoon at White Plans Road
and East Treamount Avenue, the US that then fled on
foot southbounds on White Planes Road. He's described as a
young man, possibly a teenager, wearing a white shirt at
the time. The victim, identified by police as Jonathan Pettigrew,

(22:12):
was rushed to Kobe Hospital, where he later died.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I think they're missing a data point there from the
description of the suspect.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
A teenager wearing a white T shirt.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Did anyone notice if the teenager had hair?

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Did anyone notice if the teenager was of a certain
skin color? Intro this is Remember, this is somebody who
has fled at large, just murdered somebody.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
And this is a news report.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
This is about public safety now, right, gotta get the
word out.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Okay, I'm glad that they got the word out about
a teenager.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Wearing a T shirt. That's gonna help. That's really narrowing
it down, isn't it. But you see, we all see there.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Are these invisible but omnipresent rules.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
About criminal justice and about these issues that were about
racial issues. We're all supposed to what how about just fairness,
sanity and equality? How about the truth? We just always
say the truth. That would be a good place to start,
wouldn't it, on all of this? But I would just
note that I see this. It's very common down here

(23:30):
in Miami, and it is not members of the black
community that I generally have had interactions with on this.
It is a different community who like to play incredibly
loud music in public places that are enclosed. For example,
they will just play their music on their phone when

(23:51):
they're sitting in like a restaurant, or they will get
on This is true. I was in a restaurant, a
you know, a like a sit down, nice restaurant last night,
and someone at the table next to us was just
having a full blown FaceTime conversation that the whole restaurant
could hear, FaceTime on speaker shouting to the person, you know, holding.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Up their thing. You know, I'm talking to my buddy
and FaceTime.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's not a loud restaurant, by the way, so we
all get to hear this guy's conversation.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
It's incredibly rude. It's incredibly rude.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
And manners, by the way, are actually an important ingredient
in civilization, in our ability to socially interact with each
other and with other people. And this, I know happens
on the subway all the time. Producer allyes doeing, it
happens in the subway all the time. Well in this case,
it happened on a bus, and so it's a hey,
can you keep it down. The guy clearly got super
aggressive and uh and murdered. He murdered somebody because he

(24:45):
didn't want to hear the guy's speakerphone conversation. Now, there
are different ways to analyze why people do this.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Raphael Menguel, who is a friend of.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Mine at the Men Institute, is one of the I
think top criminal justice analysts and commentators on the scene today.
We've had him on the show before, and I want
you to hear what he says specifically about this incident. Obviously,
Raphael is he's a Latin American background himself, and here's
what he is saying about this quote. I've lost count

(25:22):
of how many times I've made this point, but please
take this as a warning and not merely an observation
antisocial behavior behavior. Think about the guy blasting music from
a speaker, talking loudly on speakerphone, smoking inside the subway
car in a public space is often doing so because
they are engaged in it as a dare. The whole

(25:46):
point is to provoke anger and annoyance in those around him,
which serves two purposes depending on the response he's hoping for.
Number One, if everyone bites their tongues, the anti social
jerk gets to tell himself that he's such a badass,
no one would ever dare speak up. Or Two, if

(26:09):
someone confronts him, he finds his excuse to scratch a
violent itch. Understand that saying something to these people will
also come often come with a risk of violent confrontation.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
End quote.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
It's absolutely true people do things like this. It reminds
me also of the like the dirt bike takeovers on
the streets of New York City. They're daring anyone to
say anything. They're daring the cops to even try to
stop them. It's meant to show a power dynamic at play.
We the people doing the anti social thing, do what

(26:44):
we want. And if you try to enforce social norms,
if you try to enforce respect for fellow human beings,
will punch you, will stab you, maybe we'll shoot you.
That is a common enough thing now that people need
to be warned about it. And I think about this
sometimes too, you know, I I will have you know,

(27:09):
everyone has these kinds of incidents.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
You know, I'm.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Amazed at Also, unfortunately, it seems like the bad guys,
the people that like to do this stuff, they get
the more they get away with it, the more that happens.
It's a bit like graffiti in a city. The more
you see graffiti, the more graffiti happens, and the more
people think. You know, But just to be clear, there
are rules in the subway. This isn't like the sum Oh,

(27:35):
but I'm getting the manager. You're not allowed to have
like a boombox blasting it. You're not allowed to do
these things. You're not allowed to you're not supposing I'm
I'm on an airplane these days, so that's like commercial
Like everybody else, I'm on an airplane, and there's about
a seventy percent chance that some jerk, by the way.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Could be could be you know anybody.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Actually, this is a this is one where you get
every buddy is kind of an equal, meaning different profiles.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Male, female, you know, white, black.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
I've actually never I've actually never seen an Asian do it,
to be fair, but white, black, Hispanic, you know, I
see a lot of people do it. They do the
I'm going to have like my iPad with no headphones,
and they're and they're told at the beginning of the flight,
please you must use headphones.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Use headphones.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
It's very annoying and distracting to everyone else who's probably
trying to read or watch their own thing or maybe
sleep that you're just blasting this. People just don't care
and they get indignant about it. Now, a lot of this,
I think also comes from just the lack of like
male role models and also father figures in society these days.
There's a deeper conversation here, but uh, we for the

(28:45):
I know it sounds grandiose, but for the purposes of
maintaining civilization, we actually need to be able to socially
enforce norms, and we need to call out this kind
of antisocial behavior, and anybody who gets violent in response
to it needs to be severely punished, because that's the
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(30:16):
Always a pleasure, a lot of news to dive into
with you can I just burst the Carmelo Anthony case.
Are you at all surprised that people dug in on
this one the way that they did, given.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
That it seemed like the facts were so clear from.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
The beginning and only further verified from multiple eyewitness testimony.
I don't see how this could Why are people disputing
the outcome here when it seems like it should be
so obvious that this was the only just outcome.

Speaker 6 (30:50):
Yes, agree with you? And was I surprised? Well, that's
my gift. I'm always surprised by behavior from the left.
You know, A big line used to be, if everything
could be exactly the same, how would you like to
be to grow up black? And I've always said, well,

(31:11):
one great thing about being white is we don't have
to instantly take the side of any white criminal. I
think there's only one group that does that. My column
is at least in part about the Carmelo Anthony cases,
and I'm glad to say that apparently the group of
supporters Carmelo Anthony had was relatively small. I don't think

(31:34):
this is this does not rise to the level of
the response to the OJ case. So I don't know.
Maybe we have advanced in this country. It seemed like
some really nutty black people standing outside the courthouse and
saying really heinous things. But you know, there are a
lot of nutting white people. You do not see them
taking the side of whites who kill blacks, even when

(31:57):
it's a justified killing, like with Jake Gardner, the bar
owner who was putting a choke hold during a BLM protest,
and white people just en mass turned against him, evicted him,
disavowed him, the white DA cleared him, and then and
then assigns a black prosecutor to go get him. So

(32:17):
Jake Gardner ends up committing suicide. I mean, even Derek
Chauvin and Kim Potter, the police who killed black men,
those were accidents that was not an intentional I'm plunging
a knife into your heart. Uh, this was in the
process of making an arrest to a resisting felon. And uh,

(32:38):
what's another one?

Speaker 5 (32:39):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (32:40):
Oh there was the white Hispanic what was his name? Zimmerman?

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, someone yelled Trayvon outside Martin Yet.

Speaker 6 (32:51):
Yeah, that one. I think it's a little different when
someone's knocked you down and is bashing your head into
the concrete to claim self defense than when someone pushes.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
You, push you.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
I would have went to a I went to a
pretty pretty upscale Catholic school, and and there was a
lot of shoving and no plunging of knives into the
center of people's chests. And that's a darn good thing.
But can you explain, because I've cited this on the
show before your I forget which book you did this in,
but I remember it. I remember, like, yep, that's true,
the OJ verdict and the white guilt bank being closed.

Speaker 6 (33:28):
Yes, yes, that's sort of the it's my book, Mugs
Racial demagoguay from the seventies to Obama, and it goes
through a lot of the wild cases from Manhattan when
we were kids, you especially, I mean, it was like
it is today. But I thought it went away after
the OJ verdicts. You know, every case would be a

(33:51):
mini George Floyd case, and then the facts would turn
out to be the opposite of what the New York
Times had been slapping on its front page for six
weeks or months, and the direction would run on page
A eighteen like they were just going to whisper to you.
Oh yeah, everything we were telling you about that wasn't true.
And then the OJ verdict came, and I people who

(34:11):
weren't alive for that don't realize what a shock to
the system this was. I mean throughout America, in Burger Kings,
at the prestigious Howard University Law School, on the Oprah Show,
on college campuses, and high schools that were being filmed,
almost in Unison, black people erupted in cheers.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
When in my schools, I remember it very, very pointedly.
In my school, some of the black students say, started
running around the entire school just yelling at everybody in
your face and like laughing all over the school. And
by the way, no one did anything about it. The
deans that no one did anything, yes.

Speaker 6 (34:47):
Yes, well, I mean as a general matter, the liberal
approach to making up for slavery and Jim Crow, which
I agree with, the concept of treating black people like children,
I think is not working out that well. They are
responsible adults with agency, ought to be responsible for their

(35:09):
own reaction. But there is just so much of an
impulse in academia, among democratic politicians, and certainly overwhelmingly in
the media, to treat Black people like children. And you know,
think about raising a child. You spoil a child, you're
not going to get a well adjusted, you, responsible adult.
But that is the overwhelming approach liberals have had. Well,

(35:32):
that ended with the oj verdict, at least it ended
for about a decade, maybe fifteen years. Then we get Juliani.
One of the great things. I mean, it was the
great It was the best thing, you know, since the
end of Jim Crow, I think to happen to Black
people in America because they suddenly started being treated like
adults and the pompous liberals going on about the legacy

(35:52):
of racism people white people were just done. It was,
like I say in the book, like a subway card
that doesn't work anymore when you start crying about slavery
and racism. Because people were so shocked. I mean, you
talked to someone alive at that time, and everyone was
just shocked at the core at how black people were thrilled.
And as I think, you know, I mean just a

(36:12):
few years ago, which I always said at the time,
black people knew he was guilty. They're not idiots, and
a jurors come forward and said, oh yeah, no, we
knew he was guilty. This was just a retaliation to.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Let off right.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Well, that was what I actually assumed at the time,
that they're like the black students running around my school.
They didn't think that oj was innocent. They were happy
that they knew he was guilty and he got away
with it. And you know, at least Scott was not
guilty in that trial. And now I think to this
situation with Carmelo Anthony, Now I think you're right. I
think that this one, there's some very very stupid people

(36:47):
who are getting media attention because they're outside of this quarta.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
I mean, this one is not this is not a
close call.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
We have gotten some people calling in today or emailing
in who sort of take a little bit of issue
with that. But anyway, I think that that one, you know,
this this case is over and we can move on.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
But it is an interesting.

Speaker 6 (37:04):
Uh I could say, maybe semi in their defense, there's
been a lot of false reporting about this. I mean,
apparently it is not true that the fund. I mean,
I think it's kind of embarrassing that he that Camrallo
Anthony for stabbing the whit kid in the heart instantly,
you know, raises six hundred thousand dollars. Yet and still
it was not spent on cognac and new houses as

(37:26):
I understand it. And also, I mean, I think it
came out pretty clearly at trial that Carmelo Anthony was
being asked politely to leave the tenth that he was
not supposed to be under it. It wasn't a bully
white guy. It's the white guy is always portrayed as
you know, some snobbish, preppy jerk out of a.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Hot It's all the Duke Lacrosse case. It's it's always
the Duke lacrosse case.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
You know, they're just they're they've got their lacrosse stick
in one hand and they've got a you know, they've
got a bottle of a Sharkay and the other and
they're just yelling at Consuela to go faster as she's cleaning, like,
this is the the lie the media always creates. But
you mentioned I think you mentioned pompus liberals a second ago.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
This is uh. I just can we just talk about
Scott Pelly.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
For a minute here, because please this guy, I mean,
he actually is tweeting out from his yacht about how
he appreciates like all the all the respect and the
love from everybody. He went in and basically told his
boss stuff that you're a loser.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
I won't listen to you. This will get you fired.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
And but but is this the end of the pompous,
overpaid TV news anchor that we both grew up with,
that we both had to listen to for decades.

Speaker 6 (38:43):
I really want to encourage Scott Pelly to keep doing
as many interviews as possible. Oh my gosh, she is
a pompous ass, which I've always known. I've written about
him in one of my columns and doesn't really matter
for what, but for being a pompous ass, I'm being
oh so praised throughout the media. He was bravely called
Donald Trump a fellon because nobody's done that before. And

(39:06):
whatever you think Barry Weiss taking over CBS, I never
watched CBS anyway or sixty minutes. But wow, boy, do
I say, go girl, now, what are leaf? She's taken over.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
They're acting like Bonda.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
They're acting like Bill O'Reilly took over. It's Barry Weiss.
She was an editorial columnist at the New York Times.
I mean, she's kind of a centrist Democrat, if you will.
And they they are apoplectic over there. This dude, Pelly
is crying when he talks about He said, it was like,
what did you say?

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Did you hear this? By the way, this was the best.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
He said that what she is doing to sixty minutes
is like watching a spouse be murdered.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yes, that's a real thing.

Speaker 6 (39:53):
I hope they all interview him. I think this is
very important. And yeah, as for you know, Barry Weiss,
this is like there the hysteria over. We've got to
get rid of Susan Collins in Maine. Okay, okay, maybe
Platner is a racist and beat his girlfriends and makes
fun of dying soldiers, some of which I think is silly,
as you know. Yet and still we have to vote

(40:15):
for him to get rid of that fascist Susan Collins.
What she's like the most liberal Republican there is. She
voted for Kavanaugh. That's the only reason I support her.
But to act like Barry Weiss and Susan Collins are
these fire breathing right wingers.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
They've lost their minds, I think at some level too,
and they very almost has an impossible task here because
just from a like a media and the future of
media perspective, I think CNN there is no regaining what
it was, and particularly regaining trust and credibility. I think
that ship has sailed or do you think that there
is some two point zero version if it really gets

(40:50):
because you know she's in charge of that now too,
which is hilarious.

Speaker 6 (40:55):
I know that'll be great.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
No.

Speaker 6 (40:57):
I mean I kind of wonder about both CBS News
and CNN, since I don't think I know anyone under
the age of fifty who owns a television set, So
I'm not sure what this. I mean, having lived through,
as you did, the end of magazines, which were huge
business in New York, and pretty much the end of newspapers.

(41:21):
I mean, these star reporters out at various other than
the New York Times and the Washington Post with its
sugar Daddy, Jeff Bezos. Newspapers are done over magazines all
the glossies that are Rolling Stone and GQ, and they're done, done,
done and having lived through the end of one industry.
I don't know. I kind of see the writing on

(41:42):
the wall with CBS, ABC and NBC, to say nothing
of CNN, Fox News and MSNBC. But I guess we'll
find out.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
We will.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
What's the podcast on for this weekend? Your column is
on partially Carmelo Anthony. Tell everybody where they can go
find it.

Speaker 6 (41:58):
Yes, that'll be my Subzac Andculter dot subsect dot com
by tonight or tomorrow. It runs in various newspapers and
it'll be on anculter dot com. But if you sign
up for my substack, it will go right into your
email box and that'll go up in a couple of hours.
It's you know, this week in hate crimes?

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Oh wow?

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Well, just real quick before we let you go ahead,
do you feel I feel like the thing that the
administration is not Trump mentioned it today in the press conference,
not talking about enough they've brought down. I was just
in DC. The murder rate in DC is down like
sixty percent. The murder rate in Memphis is down seventy percent.
What is the liberal argument for Chicago to not work

(42:37):
with federal law enforcement to deal with their murder rate
at this point?

Speaker 5 (42:41):
Like?

Speaker 2 (42:41):
What is it?

Speaker 6 (42:44):
It is a very strange obsession that I that I
talked about in the book. You just mentioned mugs. I
mean liberals, they want to release criminals. They are just
desperate to release criminals. And we saw it when after
OJ mayor Rudy Giuliani came in an instantly dropped the
murder rate to such an extent that when he ran
for reelection, the New York Times itself endorsed him and

(43:07):
made fun of Ruth Messenger, who was running against him,
for claiming that crime wasn't better, and the New York
Times officially editorially had to say, are you out of
your mind? Other cities imitated Rudy Giuliani's policies, and in
those cities the crime came down. And other cities just
crossed their arms and listened to the liberal progressives like

(43:27):
the ones who are probably going to be the next
mayor of Los Angeles, that no, we need more community
outreach and activists what we need. And the DA of
New York, oh my gosh, No, liberals just want to
release criminals. It's a psychologue.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
But Clay and I have to do like we got
to do, like a long form sit down with you,
because I always have more.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Can you give me just a quick fire in this
one in La?

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Are they cheating or are they just that many crazy
people in La?

Speaker 6 (43:52):
I'm so glad you asked. That's the other thing I
was thinking writing about this week. I may do it
next week. No, it is massive statewide cheating. I am
so rooting for Steve Hilton. He does have Sergeiy Brynn
behind him because Sergei Brynn is dating a MAGA influencer,
something I talked about in my rumble on sub video
this week. She's the woman who may save California because

(44:14):
Sergiy has given Hilton enough money to try to reduce
the cheating. But because California is a one party state,
Republicans don't bother catching the cheating or changing the cheating.
The main thing is, as I think people are familiar
with from twenty twenty, is having these mail in ballots.
They are sent to every quote registered voters voter, including

(44:37):
the registered voters at one time from a decade ago
who have moved to have died. These these these ballots
are just floating all over the state other people.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
And they have illegals, they have illegals being paid and
to pick them up. We found that out from Steve
Hilton himself. So I mean, that's just crazy. They're able
to just go get them and you can vote.

Speaker 6 (44:58):
I was just gonna say, it's big into the system
before you even get to counting the votes.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Yeah, crazy, crazy and Culter dot subsect dot com. Go
check it out, guys, and thank you so much. Well,
when Clay's back, we'll have you back.

Speaker 6 (45:12):
Thank you. Good to talk to you. Buck.

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by Kentucky Senator Ran Paul. He was in the Oval
Office today while Trump was signing the Secure America Act.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Senator, always appreciate you stopping by.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
Thanks for having me. BOK. Great to be with you.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
So the significance of this. Let's start with what you
saw in the oval this morning. President Trump was there
signing it. So we've got funding for ice, funding for
border patrol. This is clearly going the right direct action.
What does it mean and do you think that the
policy initiative is going to get kicked up again rather
the impetus to do more on immigration enforcement, because it

(47:09):
feels to some like there's been a bit of drift
from it.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
You know.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
I think this is going to be President Trump's largest
achievement in the Republican Congress's largest achievement, and that is
controlling the border. I think the people spoke in the election,
but also just the evidence of perhaps as many as
eight million people coming in during the Biden administration and
then going to zero. So I think that is a
big deal. This is the first time we have done

(47:34):
funding a border patrol and border security, though through a
partisan means. Reconciliation is a simple majority way of getting
around the filibus rules. We did that it was with
only Republican votes, So this is a first. But I
think it's also something that President Trump will be remembered for,
and it's also a large reason why I think people
aren't trusting the Democrats. Now, I think there's something that

(47:57):
we can push on top of this. What I've been
saying is not only do we need a wall to
keep people from coming into the country, we need a
wall around our welfare system. So we passed years ago
and said, oh, if you come into the country as any,
are ineligible for welfare for five years. But then they
make all these exceptions. They said, oh, if you have
a special visa, So if you came from Afghanistan, Iraq

(48:18):
and the last because of the wars, you can get welfare.
If you came in as a refugee from Somalia, you
can get welfare. But then when we measure this like
the Somalis, it's like eighty five to ninety percent on
welfare for over ten years. So I think we need
now to move on to saying, yes, we're controlling the border,
but we need to control the you know, put a

(48:41):
wall around the welfare states so these people are able
to come in. You know, the American dreams should be
about jobs, not coming here to get welfare.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
It's astonishing a center Paul, when we start to look
into just how much, or rather how large the fraud
is and how many dollars are going into this. It
feels like it's just endless. It's a black holes. We're
never going to find every dollar, but it feels like
we're just scratching the surface as well. Do you feel

(49:10):
like JD. Vance as the Vice President? And I guess
he probably wouldn't want to be called the frauds are
but you know what I mean, this is his mandate
is to find this stuff. Are you hopeful that there
will be reform and change, not just on the executive
side in terms of prosecution, but is there a role
here for Congress, for the Senate to act?

Speaker 5 (49:31):
Well, yeah, I'm excited that the administration is looking at
this and trying to call back and arrest and put
these people in jail. But the other side is the
funding source. So if someone's ripping off twenty percent of
the product, you need to cut the spending by twenty
percent or more. So I've introduced a couple of amendments
to say that refugees should be ineligible for welfare, and

(49:54):
I forced these to a vote. It's not easy because
the powers that be don't want to vote on these things.
But the two times that I forced this vote I've
got about twenty to twenty four Republicans supporting ending welfare
for refugees, but I get about thirty of the establishment
voting for it. Now, all the Democrats are for it.
Every Democrat is unified and being for welfare for refugees,

(50:14):
but even the Republicans. You know, I'm having trouble. So
if you really want to root out fraud, you got
to defund it. The interesting thing about refugee welfare is
we allocate money every year for it, and some of
it is stored up. So we have twenty six billion
in account. We keep putting about four or five billion
in it every year, but they're not spending it, which
is good. But I say bring that back. Let's go

(50:37):
ahead and just claw it back. Yesterday they were promoting
a new spending bill on the fort. I said, well,
why don't we take the twenty six billion we have
in this refugee welfare fund that hasn't been spent, and
let's get rid of the fund and put it towards
something of better use. And the problem in Washington is
they love spending money, but they don't ever love them
trying to find pay for us. But I think Congress

(50:59):
has to do some thing. If you eliminate some fraud
this year, it'll come back next year unless you give
the less money.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Tell me about this six penny plan that I've seen
you sharing on X and you point out accurately obviously
that we've been spent forty trillion dollars into the hole
with this deficit, which is just mind blowing. I remember
what was it that when the Tea Party was concerned
about spending, and that was right when you came into office.

(51:29):
If I remember Senator Paul, is it like ten trillion
or something. I mean it was eight trillion. It was
way less.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
So here we are shortest.

Speaker 5 (51:36):
The short history of it is amazing. Under George W. Bush,
the debt went from five to ten trillion. It doubled.
Under Barack Obama it went under eight years, went from
ten to twenty billion, doubled again. Under the first Trump administration,
it went from twenty to twenty eight. Under the Biden
it went from twenty eight to thirty six. And now
we're up to forty. So we're on course to do

(51:57):
about eight trillion more, even on a Republican administration. So
this is a program, a process of a Commission of
death that is just completely out of control. So what
I've proposed is often democrats or liberal people in the
press will say, oh, yeah, you're for doing it. What
are you going to do? How are you going to
balance the budget. So I looked at it and said, well,
this is how you do it. You cut everything six percent. Now,

(52:19):
if you looked at everything and you said, oh, we
don't want to cut everything six percent of some things
that we like, then you've cut things, some things more,
but on average you've cut things six percent. Now, I
try this argument out sometimes with different special interest groups.
So one big special interest group that comes up here
are families of member have members of Alzheimer's. My family,
my wife's family. Just about everybody knows somebody who has Alzheimer's,

(52:41):
and it's an emotional thing and you want to cure.
And so I said, well, yeah, government can be a
part of this. But we're two trillion short. And Alzheimer's
Research got one hundred million last year. I'm making up
that number. I can't tell you the exact number right now,
but let's say they got one hundred million last year.
Would you be okay if we gave them ninety four
mills in this year because we're out of money, and
every one of these family members that really wants this

(53:04):
research is emotionally involved in this nother head yes and saying, well,
of course we would if it were for the good
of country, but that never happens up here. People rant
and rave. The special interest groups say you hate old
people and you don't want to do anything for disease,
and my response to them is I aspired to be
an old person. I'm getting there. I'm all for doing

(53:25):
the research, but I'm for just saying we should spend
what comes in, which I think is not that unreasonable.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Speaking of Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, Senator, I know
you're a proponent of the Save America actors. So Secure
America was this morning with the border and funding for that.
You said through reconciliation. Save America has to do with
election integrity, voting procedures, and Democrats opposed this. There's also

(53:54):
this situation in California, and I know these are separate
but related issues. Right of people showing up and you're
allowed to show like a gym membership as your registration,
or you can show you know, I like basically anything
any piece of paper that says your name as you
live in California is a lawful way to vote in
the state of California.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
At this point, is it?

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Do Democrats just not want there to be any safeguards
in elections?

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Really?

Speaker 1 (54:20):
It feels like every time there's something that looks common sense,
they don't want the common sense.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
Yeah, it doesn't appear so, but I also think that
ultimately it's going to be a losing issue for them.
I think most people are proud of their citizenship, proud
of their country, and don't want their vote to be
deluded by people who are not here legally. But it's
more than just citizenship. It is also the mail in balloting,
and there's more than one way to go about this.
We should keep fighting as a federal issue. We should

(54:47):
keep fighting it as a party issue that our party
is for lawful citizens to vote and that's it. But
we should also fight at state by state. And this
is something that nobody else seems to be talking about.
For example, Arizona, you have to approve the citizenship, so
we check we've got that for Arizona. It's a battleground state.
We still lose it every year. I think the main

(55:07):
reason we lose it is they allow people to get
ten ballots in the mail. You don't have to ask
for the ballots, and then eventually somebody shows up at
your door and says, oh, I've got one already filled
out when you sign it, and then that person takes
and turns in your vote for you. You've got to get
rid of that, and the National Party we raise hundreds
of millions of dollars, even billions of dollars. We should
go in and fight referendum in states that have referendum,

(55:31):
and we should get rid of the mail in balloting
because inherently it's harder to verify you are who you
say you are when you get something mailed in. And
this whole idea of harvesting them and people collecting them
and going door to door I think is repugnant to
the idea of the way elections should be run. So yeah,
we should fight it nationally, fight it as an issue,

(55:52):
try to win elections, but we should also go in
state by state. I mean, there's a half a dozen
Republican states that are doing mail in balloting and eventually
they're going to be Democrats dates if they continue to allow.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
This senter Paul, what's your sense of how close the
administration is. I know you're not personally involved in the
negotiations with Iranians and intermediaries to bring this thing to
a conclusion, but what's your sense that of how close
it is to that? Given the President Trump said today,
I think we're going to hit him again, And are

(56:25):
you optimistic that this can be settled in time to
let gas prices normalize to where they were before this conflict,
so that that's not a big drag on the GOP
in the midterms.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
The President said today, you know, I was at the
White House at the press conference. Is the deal's done?
It just needs to be signed. So I don't know.
That begs the question are the Iranians going to sign
it or not? What I would say is this it's
going We have obliterated them. We have entirely our military
completely obliterated them. We won the war. But you still

(57:01):
have to negotiate with them, because unless you're willing to
occupy the country and forcibly dig their uranium back out
of the ground, the enriched uranium is going to require
a diplomatic deal. And I think it's something you don't
have People say oh, you can't trust them. Well, this
would be verified by them actually handing it over. But
what I would offer to them, and you're going to
have to offer something, is I would offer restoration of trade,

(57:24):
which means we get rid of sanctions against trade, we
bring them back into the world's economies. They give up
the four hundred and forty kilograms and enricheranium, it's all
leaves the country, and then they sign a statement that
they won't continue to pursue a nuclear weapon. Now people say, oh,
you can't trust them, they're terrible people. This and that
all probably true, but you don't trust them on getting

(57:46):
rid of the enricheranium. That we will verify. And as
far as whether they start up again. If they start
up again, we reinstitute the sanctions and get started, you know,
we go back to a stage of belligerency with them.
But I think we shouldn't just offer a little. We
should offer release of all the trade and restoration of
trade if they will relinquish the enricheranium and you know,

(58:12):
no longer pursue a new clear weapon. And I think
some of our party don't want that deal. Some of
our parties say, oh, we don't want negotiations presents wrong.
You're going to sign a terrible deal because they think
that the regime is inherently not trustworthy and they're bad people.
All of that's true, but you don't make deals with
good people. You don't make trios. We're not having to

(58:32):
do a treaty with Great Britain or with Germany or
our allies. It's with an adversary, and we can prove
they do what they do what they say they will
if we receive the enricheranium. So that's the deal I
would offer. They give up all of the enricheranium for
release of all of the trade sanctions and then and

(58:52):
a promise not to move forward. And the promise is
has to be policed basically with verification and time.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Senator Paul always appreciate you making the time, sir, Thank
you so much.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Thank you.

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