July 7, 2026 • 48 mins
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton discuss the rapidly escalating scandal involving Maine Democratic Senate candidate Graham Platner. Clay provided extensive context surrounding a newly public sexual assault allegation against Platner, including a detailed interview in which an accuser alleged non-consensual sexual conduct. The hosts examined the timing of the allegations, the political ramifications for Democrats, and the growing speculation that party leaders want Platner removed from the ballot before critical filing deadlines pass.
Clay and Buck argued that the controversy has become especially significant because of Maine’s importance to the 2026 Senate map. The hosts noted that Democrats view the seat currently held by Senator Susan Collins as one of their best opportunities to gain control of the Senate. As a result, Platner’s candidacy has become a high-stakes political problem for party leaders. They suggested that Democratic officials may be attempting to persuade him to withdraw and allow a replacement candidate to emerge before ballot deadlines make such a move impossible.
Clay and Buck discuss developments in the case against Tyler Robinson, the man charged with assassinating Turning Point USA Founder and CEO Charlie Kirk. Clay provided updates from court proceedings in Utah, where prosecutors continued presenting evidence that they argue places Robinson at the scene of the crime. The hosts discussed surveillance footage, witness testimony, ballistics evidence, and video showing Robinson’s movements before and after the shooting. Clay argued that the evidence presented thus far appears overwhelming and suggested the prosecution is building what he characterized as a highly persuasive case. Both hosts repeatedly encouraged listeners to review original source material, court filings, and publicly available evidence rather than relying solely on media summaries or online speculation.
A broader discussion followed regarding the growth of conspiracy theories on the internet and the challenges of restoring public trust after years of institutional failures. Clay and Buck acknowledged that major controversies involving COVID-19, government agencies, media organizations, and intelligence officials have left many Americans skeptical of official narratives. However, they argued that skepticism should not automatically lead to rejecting strong evidence. The hosts drew distinctions between legitimate investigative skepticism and conspiracy theories they believe lack factual support, emphasizing the importance of weighing evidence objectively and applying consistent standards of proof.
Clay and Buck discuss the growing uncertainty surrounding Graham Platner’s future in the Maine Senate race. Clay and Buck analyzed mounting pressure from Democratic leaders after sexual assault allegations surfaced against Platner. The hosts discussed the timeline facing the candidate, noting that he has a limited window to withdraw and allow Democrats to select a replacement nominee. The conversation intensified after Bernie Sanders publicly called on Platner to step aside, a significant development given Sanders’ earlier support of his campaign. Clay and Buck argued that prediction markets increasingly expect Platner to leave the race, but both questioned whether doing so would actually benefit him personally.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
In Tuesday edition, Playing Buck, we got Grand Platner Maine
Senate news. We told you that things were rapidly unraveling
in Maine. We will get to that as grand Platner
faces a new sexual assault allegation.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
What should he do? What will he do?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
How does this impact the overall Senate landscape as we
move towards the overall twenty twenty six midterm elections. All
of that to come, but we begin with the utter
collapse of the United States soccer team. Buck watched, I watched,
(00:47):
tens of millions of you watched, and it was a pathetic,
week uninspired, scared performance put forward by our soccer team.
One of the goals was maybe the worst goal that
I've ever seen that our goalie gave up to put
us down three to one.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We were favored to win this game globally, and we
came out huge, awesome crowd in Seattle. Entire nation is
ready to get behind this team even more than they
already were, and we tripped and fell and knocked ourselves out.
Congrats to Belgium. They were the ones doing the Trump dance.
(01:33):
I don't know if you saw it or not, but
after the fourth goal.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Ugh. Ugh.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
After the fourth goal, Belgium's players were doing the Trump
dance on the field in celebration of their obliteration of US.
You and I were texting during the match. We're still
on a positive side. Since I try to be optimistic,
I will say the hosting of the World Cup has
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been a tremendously awesome summer event in the United States,
and there still are a bunch of games that remain
between the best of all of the teams out there,
so that will still be exciting for those of US
who are big sports fans, as the most elite teams
have continued to advance, but the US fell flat on
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its face, utter failure.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Your take, well, every four years when the World Cup happens,
there are these people in America who care about soccer,
which is I know a lot of you are not
in that category, but there are people care about soccer
even when it's being played in like Russia or Cutter
or Qatar or whatever, and they tell us, oh, this
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US men's national team is different. We finally are competitive
at the highest level of soccer. By the way, no
one's expecting that the US was going to win the
whole thing or that's crazy talk, right, there were teams
that are still a full tier above teams like France
and Spain and England, they're a full tier above the
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US team. But we were led to believe and are
continuous led league. We're in that second tier, right below
the big called the Big five or Big ten teams.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
We are not. So that was that was what we
saw yesterday.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
For those who watched the game, they were just they
were a better team and our team played poorly for
the level that our team is at.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I would say that having watched.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
The Mexico England match, England is a tier above. By
the way, England is still in it, still in it,
perhaps to win it those of you who were doubters
from the beginning, But England is a tier above Mexico
in terms of ability and talent. But the Mexican national
team at the Azteca Stadium in Mexico City acquitted themselves
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very well and fought really hard against a better team.
And I think I just think that you know athletics,
this is true in any sport. If you left it
all on the field, you know, nobody was booing Rocky
when Apollo got the decision the point was he took
the champ the full distance. I thought we'd be able
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to give them a real match yesterday, and I think
a lot of people did. And that was the disappointment
that it looked like a college team playing a JV
high school team.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I mean it was. It was embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
It was an embarrassing ass kicking, and uh, you know,
I feel badly for the guys. I know they worked
really hard and they got up to this point and
they had played well, and I know that they wanted
to do better than they did. But on the positive note, Clay,
it's been a great World Cup. It has been really
fun for the viewers who've gone to the games or
just watched them on TV. It's been a great showing
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for America as a country and as a host nation.
And I do think that matters a whole heck of
a lot more in every sense. So yeah, don't worry.
Not a lot of soccer analysis coming today other than
we're just not there, folks, We're just not We do
not have world class soccer players in this country, and
we're not about to have world class soccer players in
this country. And maybe that's just okay, Maybe we need
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to just accept that that's the way this is gonna be.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I actually I have a ton of thoughts on this.
I think we should and could be one of the greatest.
I think we should be the best at everything, and
I think we actually have to be more aggressive in copying. Frankly,
the way that Europe develops its soccer talent. Belgium only
has what eleven million people. So for people out there
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who say, oh, too many of our best athletes go
to football, basketball, baseball, hockey, whatever you want to point to.
If you're under six feet tall, you almost have no
chance of playing any other sport at a really, really
high professional level. This is just reality for men. I
mean harsh reality, but it's true. You could be the
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greatest soccer player in the world and be five to ten.
I'm not sure you could could be five eight five eight,
Yeah right, you can't be the great Maybe I guess
you could be a job. You can't be the best
hardly at any sport. Sorry, short kings.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Play just told all the under six foot men of America.
You can be a jockey. Yeah, you could be a
Try to be positive. You could be the greatest soccer
player in the world. You can't be the greatest at
any other team sport.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You have no chance of playing in the NBA. You
have no chance really of playing in the NFL unless
you're gonna play second base in baseball. There's almost no
guys that are significantly under six feet tall that are
very successful. You can be the greatest soccer player in
the world. So I don't buy the oh, there's other
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athletes competing all these different things. I want to be
the best, But I do think we have to face
the harsh reality, which is we went to the Round
of eight in two thousand and two, twenty four years ago,
and otherwise we haven't been able to do better. And
this was set up perfectly. The nation was behind us.
We would have had an entire week of incredible drama
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leading up to where I think we would have lost
to Spain. But at least if we had gone out
buck like I hate to say it, Mexico did. I
don't think there's anybody who watched that Mexico lost to
England and said, oh, I feel like I was cheated.
Mexico left their heart and soul on the field. They
played a really high spirited brand of soccer, they happened
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to lose to a better team.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
They very easily could have tied and then won. I
mean they were they made it very close. You were sweating.
I was sweating as an England fan literally, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
If we had lost in that fashion, I would have said, okay,
like that's frustrating. But we just got out early, eviscerated,
and like I said, we had a great call from
one of our listeners down in Texas. Unfortunately, the Trump
dance ended up being done by Belgium and not by
the by the United States because when you to the
victor go the trash tawk right, and I give him credit,
(08:02):
like they absolutely walked into a hornet's nest of a
stadium in Seattle filled with red, white and blue and
people who were ready to be.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
All about it. I saw a great clip.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
We were tied for sixty one seconds after we got
the gold to make it one one. Did you see
the Vince McMahon clip where everybody uses that meme of
Vince McMahon, former WWE president, the founder, where he's doing
an interview and he just I'm sure you've seen that
meme where he's like.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Oh, he starts crying crying. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, Like people use that meme all the time on
social media, and it was Hey, Dad, tell us about
the time when the US was tied with.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Six for sixty one.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
This second, it made it seem like we had a
chance for one whole minute of the entire that was
the only minute where you really believe, by the way,
because they were outplayed every other minute of every.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Other you know, both have the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
It was all right, take some of your calls, I
will say, if you want to look for the shining light.
I do believe that America as an has acquitted itself
phenomenally well and in terms of hosting all of the
different people who have traveled to the United States to
celebrate the World Cup. And I still will really enjoy watching.
(09:14):
I think there's only like eight or nine games left
in the entirety of the World Cup. We'll have four
in the quarterfinals, two one. I know they play a
third place game, I guess, but I don't think that
many people watch it, So I'll be looking forward to
watching that.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
We'll take some of your calls.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
You can react, you can make your analogies of how
you felt. I bet we'll get some really funny talkbacks
associated with that. Let's also, though, buck dive into and
start to set the table for this Grad Platiner drama. Yesterday,
if you were listening as we were finishing the show,
we told you that there was an expectation that there
(09:51):
may well be information coming out that would threaten Platner's
ability to stay in the race. So let me give
you a little bit of a background here as we're
prepared to go into the break, and then we will
dive into this story in earnest because I do think
it's a big one. Graham Platner has until July thirteenth
to withdraw from this race. That would then give Democrats
(10:16):
two weeks to select a new nominee. Politico wrote a
story that featured a sexual assault accusation, very detailed, and
I have got I'm sure we have that audio. Jake
Tapper interviewed the accuser and she said straight out that
(10:40):
he raped her. This is cut one, I believe, Let
me and I apologize.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Let me be as direct as I can.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Did grand review by definition, Yes, absolutely, because he had
not consensual sect with you.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Force himself, had now know and fought them off.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
He violated multiple layers of consent that night, by coming
into my own when I asked him not to, and
by advancing on me when I told him not to,
and furthermore another incident that I had told him not
to do and with protection.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So so far grand Platner has not
dropped out of the race. He was selected as the nominee.
There's a lot of questions about what the New York
Times knew because they wrote a story that suggested inappropriate
behavior on several different levels by grand Platner in relation
(11:51):
with many different women, but was not this detailed. This
woman was willing to go public with Politico. Now, all
these Democrat who stood behind Graham Platner over the Nazi tattoo,
who stood behind Graham Platner, Remember when he said that
if somebody tried to rape his house, he would sorry
(12:11):
rob his house. He would rape them if any guy
did that, but not in a sexual way. They admitted
that he said that he's had multiple different sexting relationships
with women he wasn't married to. Now sexual assault allegations,
I mean, there is a bevy of the Reddit pasted posts,
all these different things that would suggest that Graham Platner
(12:35):
was not the right candidate, and all of this is
now coming to a head, and so we will talk
about it when we come back and say where we
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world of crazy, Clay and Buck have your back.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Thanks for being here, everybody. And a couple of things
going on right now. One is the beginning of the
early stage of shich I should say, of the trial
for the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk that is underway.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Helly, you've been following this pretty closely.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Are there any surprises, anything, you know, anything noteworthy so
far other than what.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
We've already reported and believed to be the facts of
the case.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I think yeah, it's a good question. There is a
not insubstantial conspiracy community that has convinced itself that Tyler
Robinson is not the shooter and let me just not
the assassin of Charlie Kirk. And again, they're just releasing
a lot of the evidence. They have this guy, Tyler Robinson,
(15:08):
who has been charged with the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
This is from Brecon Thieves, who is covering it for
the Federalists. This trial is taking place in Utah, says.
The first part of the video that they ever released
shows Robinson on the parking garage. They show him on campus.
They also then show a video again. All of this
(15:30):
is video of him walking with a limp as he
is going up the stairs, and it's very different from
the other videos that are shown earlier in the day
when he does not have a limp and one of
the legs is not bending at all, and one of
the judge, one of the officers testifies that Officer Bagley
(15:53):
did that he is walking that way because he's got
a rifle alongside of his leg and he's trying to
avoid bending his knee because he can't been his knee
Beaus got the gun that he's hiding, and then there's
tons of evidence of him on the roof. I think, Buck,
this is going to be an open in hutcase, and
I hope that they put all of this as much
(16:16):
of it public as they can, because I think again,
the fact that he visits all this time, and is
spending as much time on campus, and there's all this evidence. Again,
the jury will decide, but it seems overwhelming to me
based on all the evidence that Tyler Robinson committed this shooting.
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And I understand there are people out there that say, oh, well,
it could be somebody else. Again, that's going to be
the defense. I don't think there's a very good defense
for it being anyone else.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Now, are people who currently believe that there is a
vast conspiracy going to change their minds on this issue
no matter what evidence is presented. I think the answer, unfortunately,
is largely going to be no.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
And and I can tell you having now this is
of course CIA guys saying this right.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
CIA, CIA.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
But a lot of stuff is said about the CIA that,
having been on the inside and been out now for
a long time fifteen years, is just kind of laughable
and absurd, and people believe it because they want to
believe it. Who would be a part of the justice
machinery here, which includes state investigators, police, the you know,
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the FBI, that would all imagine keeping them all quiet
and having them all be a part of some cover
up and conspiracy in this case, it's it's just absurd.
There's no one who's come forward from any of this
and said there's actually something amiss here in terms of
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the investigators are being stymied, or there's some political pressure,
or there's some and yet the internet rumors about Look
there where we just talked about this, there were Internet
rumors about Mitch McConnell everywhere, Internet rumors. And then you
get Scott Jennings's friend. He says he called them, he's
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talked to this morning and he seems to be in
good spirits. So so much for those Internet rumors, right,
which were very loud and very prominent for the last
forty eight hours or so particularly, And now there's also
a lot of Internet rumors about this. And I would
just say, Clay, in a time where conspiracy unfortunately sells
and gets clicks and gets attention in a very rapid way,
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it's very clear that's the case. It's also a very
lazy way to get attention. You know, what's a hard
thing to do to be consistently accurate, intelligent, insightful and
creative in your presentation of news and facts and commentary,
or just say that there's actually space aliens with lasers
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who look like lizards, who are the real people behind
all of this? And just stay with me. In a
few days, I'll be able to prove this to you
and anyone who tells you otherwise. By the way, they
are part of the space alien lizard conspiracy. And that's
exactly what they would say.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Hey, I agree with everything that you just said. I
think the big challenge here it's COVID some conspiracy. So
many conspiracies related to COVID ended up being true that
there is a i think not insubstantial collection of Americans
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of all different backgrounds that just don't trust anything.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Now.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Well, but so so I think that there's that's absolutely true.
And I'm not trying to, uh in any way ignore
or downplay that, Clay, because obviously I agree with you,
and I think that that's been a huge it's been devastating,
and also the FBI has taken a tremendous hit in
credibility and everything. Yes, but when you look at COVID,
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or you look at the FBI and where it has
failed in the past, you look at these things, there
were a lot of us at every stage saying guys,
this is wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
They're lying to you.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Here's here's the here's what's going on here, Here's why
Fauci's full of it. Here's why you can't trust here's
why you know you know what I mean? Yeah, that
that is something that you could you could always look
at and say, I'm not part of some like secret
society that has the things that has the special answer
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here that nobody else who have trusted and believed in
and has been right by the way over and over
and other things, thinks is real that I think that
may be a good way of understanding the conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Here are the people that align with your.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Ideals and values on everything else, also saying that this
is a problem, you know, like Russia collusion, for example,
Clay was that a conspiracy? Yes, it was. I was
saying it. Hannity was saying it, Glenn Beck was saying,
and Rush was saying, and Mark Levin was saying, I
mean go to You know, everybody was saying, hey, guys,
this is a car you know, there's a conspiracy, there's
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a coup.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
This is what's happening all across the board.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
It wasn't one person or a handful of people who
claimed to have some secret truth that by the way,
they're not trying to convince anybody else in the movement
of really they're just trying to like send people after them,
like you know, feral maniacs, to shout at them and
say they're part of the conspiracy as well. This is
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that's cult behavior. That's not political analysis and commentary. And
what this Charlie Kirk thinging the facts are being presented.
I don't want to hear about alternative facts or grand
conspiracies or anything else unless somebody can tell me why
what is a parent is false. I don't really want
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to hear it. I don't know what else there is
to say.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
This is why the trial needs to be as public
as possible, and this is why I would encourage you
guys to actually go to the source documents. You can
go watch the trial proceedings right now that are taking place.
You don't have to trust me, You don't have to
trust Buck. I always come back to read the original documents,
watch the actual videos for yourself. Don't watch the way
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the media covers stories. Don't watch the way just Buck
and I talk about the stories. There is source material
that everybody should be able to operate off of. You
and I read the source material, We watch the source material.
We do lots of research to be ready for this show,
and I would encourage you guys to do too. You
should one hundred percent trust anybody in media because we
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can all get things that are wrong, and a lot
of times when you get things wrong, it's when you
haven't gone back and looked at the actual source material.
This evidence is damning. Yes, I mean this guy.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
It's it's red handed, red handed on video, all the text, messages,
all the everything that you could ever think would be
present for this kind of a case. And to anybody
who says, well, and this is where this stuff always
goes about, this is also why you know the JFK
stuff is.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It's also tiring people like, oh, when they release the files,
then we'll know.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
No, we're not going to know, okay, because if we
knew what was based on what was in the files,
we would already know and they wouldn't just be sitting
in files.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
What you're going to hear from people, I think.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Now the Internet, the Internet ecosystem will produce Oh, but
it's not just that Tyler Robinson did this. It's that
that he was directed by some other entity, or some
other individual. Okay, well that's not even what Tyler Robinson's
defense is alleging. And now you're gonna tell me, oh, well,
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they can keep him quiet. Really, he's facing capital murder.
They're gonna keep him quiet. How exactly if he was
doing this at someone else's be Haster's part of some
conspiracy And this is this is one of the problems though,
and one of the reasons we don't spend time here
talking about internet conspiracies on the show is that you
breathe at some level, you breathe life into them just
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by talking about how they're not true. And on the
other side, you allow them to go on, you know,
unrefuted if you don't discuss it at all. And so
then it's well, if you clearly had a better explanation,
why wouldn't you talk about it. A lot of the
stuff that has been said about Charlie Kirk's assassination is
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reckless and gross and I mean, I would say defamatory, uh,
and it's it's wrong. And I just hope that everyone
watching this just goes with exactly what is being presented
and what the facts are and just be rational about this.
You know, if someone's going to tell you if anyone
is going to tell you, it's all be it's all
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a sham. All the investigators are in. Really, how is that?
How do you get all the investigators in? Let me
tell you. In the CIA, if something was really juicy
as a secret, someone leaked into the Washington Post at
something like you can't can't also secret.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Also, yes, if it's really a challenge. There's lots of
people inside the government that have a different take, right.
I mean, when there's disputed outcomes for things like you,
everybody's writing their memos and they're like, this is actually
the way it goes.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Here's the way that I would just bring it home.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
You have to be, I believe, an evil person to
believe that Erica Kirk, with a two year old and
a one year old, doesn't want the person who killed
her husband held accountable for it. You have to be
an evil person, in my opinion, to believe that Charlie
Kirk's own parents, who are there in the courtroom don't
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want the person who killed Charlie Kirk held responsible. Let
me give credit to him. Donald Trump Junior has been
in the courtroom both of the last two days. Do
you think that Donald Trump Junior doesn't want the person
who killed Charlie Kirk held accountable.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Well, I mean, you can even go further than this,
because people allege that, all the people that say it's
Tyler Robinson. This is a terrible, horrific assassination by a
lunatic who hated Charlie for what he stood for and
hated Charlie for his beliefs. By the way, there have
been plenty of high profile assassinations in the past where
that was exactly the motivation.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
This is I had a trans boyfriend girlfriend, whatever the
hell it is, right, that is undisputably true.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
And so now you're going to tell me that all
of these people that are.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
That's to your point, that are very prominently at the
and and and you know are Jack Pisobic, who's who's
a friend of mine, he's there as well.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I mean, there are all these people that are there.
They're all in on it.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I mean, someone's going to say that with a straight
face or they wouldn't call I even take it a
level down from that, because that's truly that's truly crazy town.
And there are people you go online, there's people who
are firmly in crazy town, which is sad. And and
you know, when you're talking about saying that people would
have somebody that was very dear to them killed, I
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mean that's about is. I mean, you could you could
wrongfully accuse someone of being like a child molester, and
I think that may be the most defamatory industry. But
accusing someone of having someone that they care about deeply
murdered is right up there with the worst possible thing
you could say about a person. And you should not
ever say these things unless you are damn sure that
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there is a very solid basis for it. It should
not be speculation, it should not be and it's it's wrong.
And I understand that there are a lot of people
that are that are angry about being lied to by
the government. They are angry about what institutions in this
country have done in recent years, including over COVID. But
we have to keep some moral compass on, my friends.
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We have to keep some sense of reason, rationality, and
facts front and center or else what.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
We're doing here. I agree.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I echo all that, and I would just come back
to Erica Kirk to me, has been treated awfully by
the general public. Most of the people that have treated
her on internet public I should say, because I think
in real life it's very different. But most of the
people who have treated Erica Kirk the worst are on
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the right. Yes, I mean, I mean if the left
has treated Erica Kirk better in general than the right has,
and that to me is a huge indictment of the
culture on the internet of the right that has been
a lot to develop.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
There's been more hate about Charlie on the left overall,
to be sure, after his assassination, but crazier things are
said about the assassination on the right.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yes, that's a good unacceptable, Yeah, unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
And and you know, look.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
I also say this people, if you have an audience,
the audience is actually the accountability measure. The audience actually
has to demand more from a person. You know, people say,
why don't you guys get more involved in all this stuff.
We're not going to be able to convince anyone to
stop saying crazy things if they think saying crazy things
gets them what they want. It's up to the people
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Your Fouls Clean Buck on the iHeart App. Welcome back
in here to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
One thing we haven't talked about yet on the show,
I think and I wanted to mention it because we're
discussing the realities of the main Senate race.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
There's a lot going on there.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
But for a while now it has been, uh, it
has been clear that something is uh something with Mitch
McConnell's health has been a miss. I mean, he's he's
in he's in bad shape, my friend. As the bottom line,
it's been the hospital for weeks and there is a
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little bit of a of a quiet around his actual condition.
There are people who have said things prominently online that
are are are very distressing about you know, the future
of well about the health condition let you say of
Mitch McConnell. But I do think, Clay, it is it
is uh something that will will follow and we'll look
(31:51):
at uh. Clearly, there's already he's not running for It's
not like he was running for re election. But that
is a real era of the Republican United States Senate
that that door is closing, and Mitch McConnell has had
a very big imprint on politics in this country for
a long time. And Clay's it's looking when someone goes
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to the hospital for three weeks and they're fine, you
are generally going to hear that from their team and
their staff.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
So we offer up our thoughts and prayers.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
You know, Look, he's a human being, he's an American,
he's a father, he's a husband, he served his country
in the Senate, and we wish him well. I just
know that a lot of rumors out there right now,
and the rumors are very you know, there are sad rumors,
I will put it that way about Mitch McConnell's current state.
So we're waiting for updates on that.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, I would just add echo everything you said. From
a larger political perspective, it may be the case that
Kentucky has to have a new senator before the election
takes place in November, and the swearing in would take
place in January. I don't think that is a difficult
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proposition to put forward at all. I will say Scott
Jennings just tweeted, I spoke to my old friend Mitch
McConnell this morning. He's still recovering in the hospital. We
talked for just shy of twenty minutes about Iran, Ukraine,
the unfolding situation in Maine, my visit to the Teddy
Roosevelt Presidential Library, and more, and a little bit of
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Senate history. I told him we want to see him
back at work as soon as possible.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
He just posted that two minute.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
So that's really encouraging because there's all this, you know,
like I said, we don't report rumors.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I just know there are rumors out there.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
But if Mitch is having conversations with Scott Jennings's, that's
very encouraging.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
No doubt, and so we will see what ends up
transpiring there. But we did want to mention that when
we come back, we got loaded wines. We'll take a
bunch of your calls, will continue to break down the
latest in Maine, probably get some of your great talkbacks
on the US collapsing, the analogies that you have there,
all that and more coming your way as we roll
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into our two Welcome back in our number three Clay
and Buck rolling through a ton of different stories. If
you happen to be Egyptian and listening to this show,
don't know that there's tons of Egyptians listening. Worst defeat
for Egypt since the parting of the Red Sea Buck.
(34:35):
They were up two to Ozho with seventy eight minutes
into the game Argentina, then the defending World Cup champions,
scored three goals in thirteen minutes and they win it
in regulation, one of the biggest comebacks in modern sports history.
Tom Brady tweeting that it may be even better, sorry
Atlanta area sports fans, than the twenty eight to three
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Patriots Super Bowl tie come back that just happened. Big story, obviously.
In the world of politics, Graham Plattner the drama surrounding
what is he or not? What is he going to
do or not? Is he going to drop out? He
has until July thirteenth to drop out and allow the
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Democrats to select a new replacement. They would have two
weeks to select a replacement until July twenty seventh. Bernie Sanders,
who was one of the top endorsers of Graham Plattner,
has finally broken his silence. Weighed in and he says
he thinks it's best for Graham Platner if he were
to drop out, to step down and allow a replacement
(35:42):
to be selected. We have been talking about the evidence
in the Tyler Robinson case as that evidence is being
revealed by the way, Bernie Sanders saying, I've spoken with
Graham Platner about the best path forward for Maine in
light of these very serious allegations. I have recommended that
he step Aside that just now from Bernie Sanders, we
(36:06):
have talked about the Tyler Robinson trial evidence. We are
taking calls on that. We have talked about Mitch McConnell
and shared from Scott Jennings of CNN the conversation that
he relayed with Mitch McConnell. As Mitch McConnell has not
been seen for several weeks and continues to suffer from
significant health related issues. All of that underway and we
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will continue to follow them. But I would say, in general, Buck,
the biggest story that is out there right now is
what is Graham Platner going to do?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Will he or won't.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
He step down? There is substantial evidence, at least if
you look at Calshi and Polymarket, that he is going
to be stepping down. But both you and I are
of the opinion that he won this primary in June.
A lot of these allegations about him, the Nazi tattoo,
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the Reddit post, the inappropriate conduct with women were readily apparent,
and any of the Democrat primary voters could have researched this.
He won overwhelmingly. He was He defeated Janet Mills, the
sitting governor. They spent tens of millions of dollars she
did to try to attack Graham Plattner and the voters
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of Maine in that primary race, said Platner is our guy,
and we're standing behind him. I wouldn't drop out. I'm
just gonna be honest with you. And this is me
just being honest in general.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
If if you were accused of something that you say
you didn't do, and that's what he says, doesn't dropping
out make it seem like you did it. I wouldn't
drop out if I didn't do it. There's a zero
percent chance I would drop out. Uh yeah, I think
about the again. We talked to the last hour about
incentives and incentives being such a good indicator for what's true,
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what's not, what's going to happen and what won't. What
is the incentive for Graham Platnir to drop out after
a story comes out that he says is is categorically false.
He says, any allegations of non consensual sexual activity are
are false. No, nooah, fans or butts, that is. I'm
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just that's his position. That's the position he's taking if somebody,
if you're running for office and someone alleges something like
this against you, and you are telling everybody it is
absolutely false, but then you step out, people are.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Going to believe it is true. Everyone knows that.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
So what is the upside for him to say, you
know what, enough is enough for the people, for the
Democrats of Maine, I will allow somebody else to take
this position.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I think it's not there. I think.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
I'm not going to be betting on this one. But
I think the markets may have this one wrong. That
he's going to drop out in the next twenty four hours.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
It is interesting also that all of the allegations that
came out in the New York Times, if you go
back and parse them, Democrats knew the sexual assault allegations
were out there because they managed to get the New
York Times not to directly call this sexual assault, even
though there were definitely assault allegations that were intimated in
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a very significant way in that New York Times piece.
And I just the timing on this is such a
Democrat hit job. They didn't put it out before the
July fourth holiday. They waited until everybody's back home, everybody's
paying attention on the week out. They've got a full
week to increase their pressure to dial it up. And
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I just I wonder if if Graham Platner is going
to have the stones to stay in and if he doesn't,
I feel very confident that it's gonna be because he
got paid. I mean, do you disagree with that that
they're gonna come.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
To And then that goes to incentives, That goes to
why would he drop out? Well, if they say, and
I understand the way that he could try to maintain
some degree of reputation after this if he did step down,
is to say, I flatly deny all these allegations. But
it has become a distraction, and we all know the
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political speak, right, it has become a distraction for the
people of Maine, and so for their benefit, even though
these are false allegations, et cetera, et cetera. I will
step aside, but he doesn't actually care about the people
of Maine. This is the point. He's gonna do what's
best for him. So unless you change that calculation, I
don't think that he's this. I'll tell you something. When
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we were discussing whether Joe Biden would step down, and
it was a close call, Clay thought he would eventually
be pushed out. I thought he would make it through,
but it was a close call. I think that's fair
to say he stuck out for How long did he
last after the debate?
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Weeks? I would say almost a month. Okay, so a
few weeks.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
He did additional interviews, he did that Stephanopoulos interview, and
he was trying to stick it out, and there was
no mechanism to force him out. It was only convincing him.
So how'd they convince him? Well, I'll tell you something.
His wife just had a book come out. You may
have noticed this. I pay attention to these things sometimes.
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His wife, doctor Jill Biden, had a book come out
and it was number one of the New York Times
bestseller list in his first week, and it had this
funny little dagger like this little knife next to it
on the bestseller list, which is the indicator of someone
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who had Yeah, they sold a lot of books, but
someone bought all of those books, or some entities bought
those books, called a bulk by. You know, Jeff Bezos
could easily be the best selling author in like the
History of the World if he wanted to just spend
a billion dollars and buy his own books.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
You know what I mean? Correct?
Speaker 4 (42:10):
So this is a way of making sure that the
system isn't gamed without people at least knowing. Now, they
let her game it. They put her at number one.
They could have just kept her off the list. Why Buck,
why are you talking about this? I'm sure Jill Biden
got a seven figure advance for a crappy memoir someone
else wrote for her that nobody cares about. I'm sure
Jill Biden is going to be invited to give speeches
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about her book, and probably paid speeches about her book
at a whole range of places for one hundred grand,
one hundred and fifty grand to show up. You know,
all this kind of stuff, all these different democrat controlled
NGOs and foundations.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
How does all that matter?
Speaker 4 (42:49):
The real conversation, whether it was Pelosi, Obama, whatever with Biden,
was you don't step aside and the Bidens can't squeeze
another dime out of this town. That's how they got
Joe Biden out. That's what it came down to, good
old fashioned, cold heart cash laundered through book deals and
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speaking fees and board seats and Hunter Biden stuff and
blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
That's how they play the game to.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Be independently wealthy, because you can't get as much financial
pressure brought against you. Let me read this because we
were scheduled. Some of you will remember Lindsey Feifeld, who
was one of the top accusers of Graham Platner in
the New York Times case, the story that came out.
She posted this earlier today. I understand why Democrat leaders
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didn't take our story seriously when The Times reported them
in June, but are taking them seriously now. It was
by design. The line most shared from the piece was
the claim that the New York Times quote could not
corroborate my story despite talking to two of my friends.
I gave them the contact information for five friends they called.
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The two who I clarified would not know about the abuse,
but would be able to affirm our relationship, timeline events, etc.
They didn't call the other three. I also gave them
the names of all my former roommates who remembered him
stalking our row house and waiting for me to return.
I gave them screenshots of messages between these roommates and
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I discussing it. I gave them names of other men
I dated who might have remembered him following us around
and showing up on my stoop after we walked home
from dates to confront us. I gave him emails to
my landlord asking for to be able to move. I
told them during premarital counseling, I spoke about the abuse
because I had to explain why I reacted anytime he
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lost his temper the way I did. They said, oh, no,
we don't need to bother him or my priest. Besides,
I'd written about it in my diary. As the weeks
dragged on, I stopped trying to give them evidence because
the amount I had already given them seemed to overwhelm them,
and I thought it meant they had more than enough
to verify every one of my claims. My friends might
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not have known the details all of this, they said
they couldn't corroborate. This is interesting because they let Platner
get the nomination, and they had potentially the ability The
New York Times did to really take him down and
keep him from getting the nomination. He has all the
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cards now, Buck. They can't force him directly, now you're right.
They can offer him cash, they can offer him inducements,
they can offer him all sorts of different aspects in
order to be able to drop out. But if he
just says, screw you, guys, I'm the nominee. If I
were him, I would actually go and use your example
(45:51):
with Kamala and Biden and say switching to Kamala didn't
help us. She lost every key state. You're trying to
get me to do what Joe Biden did. The difference
is I don't have dementia. I'm the selected member. I
am not going to drop down.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yeah. I think that's where we are. We'll see.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
It could be wrong, and there there are these stories
out there, or rather rumors about other stories that could
hit and maybe at that point it becomes too much.
And at some level, it may also be that a
person who has received so much opprobrium, has had so
many calumnies thrown in their direction that they want to
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shirk away. They just honestly can't handle the scrutiny anymore,
and so they step aside.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I don't think that's this guy.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
I don't think that's him, but I would somebody might
ask us, Clay, why swallow Well? We know why Democrats
pushed him out because they were that was easy the primary,
so they could actually that was easy primary. They didn't
want to have a disaster where they actually had a
guy that then would be a possible liability in the general.
So but why would Swallwell step out? I think it
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was because it was just so grotesque and embarrassing, and
he knew he wasn't gonna win at that point, so
he dropped out. The difference here is Platner's got it,
and here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
What else does he have?
Speaker 2 (47:15):
This is why I told Yukamalo was gonna run some
of these people. Platner doesn't have kids, he doesn't seem
to have a life outside of politics that would make
him feel in any way fulfilled. This is it for him.
I wouldn't drop out. I'm gonna be honest, with you,
I just wouldn't do it.
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In Tuesday edition, Playing Buck, we got Grand Platner Maine
Senate news. We told you that things were rapidly unraveling
in Maine. We will get to that as grand Platner
faces a new sexual assault allegation.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
What should he do? What will he do?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
How does this impact the overall Senate landscape as we
move towards the overall twenty twenty six midterm elections. All
of that to come, but we begin with the utter
collapse of the United States soccer team. Buck watched, I watched,
(00:47):
tens of millions of you watched, and it was a pathetic,
week uninspired, scared performance put forward by our soccer team.
One of the goals was maybe the worst goal that
I've ever seen that our goalie gave up to put
us down three to one.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We were favored to win this game globally, and we
came out huge, awesome crowd in Seattle. Entire nation is
ready to get behind this team even more than they
already were, and we tripped and fell and knocked ourselves out.
Congrats to Belgium. They were the ones doing the Trump dance.
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I don't know if you saw it or not, but
after the fourth goal.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Ugh. Ugh.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
After the fourth goal, Belgium's players were doing the Trump
dance on the field in celebration of their obliteration of US.
You and I were texting during the match. We're still
on a positive side. Since I try to be optimistic,
I will say the hosting of the World Cup has
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been a tremendously awesome summer event in the United States,
and there still are a bunch of games that remain
between the best of all of the teams out there,
so that will still be exciting for those of US
who are big sports fans, as the most elite teams
have continued to advance, but the US fell flat on
(02:19):
its face, utter failure.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Your take, well, every four years when the World Cup happens,
there are these people in America who care about soccer,
which is I know a lot of you are not
in that category, but there are people care about soccer
even when it's being played in like Russia or Cutter
or Qatar or whatever, and they tell us, oh, this
(02:44):
US men's national team is different. We finally are competitive
at the highest level of soccer. By the way, no
one's expecting that the US was going to win the
whole thing or that's crazy talk, right, there were teams
that are still a full tier above teams like France
and Spain and England, they're a full tier above the
(03:04):
US team. But we were led to believe and are
continuous led league. We're in that second tier, right below
the big called the Big five or Big ten teams.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
We are not. So that was that was what we
saw yesterday.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
For those who watched the game, they were just they
were a better team and our team played poorly for
the level that our team is at.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I would say that having watched.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
The Mexico England match, England is a tier above. By
the way, England is still in it, still in it,
perhaps to win it those of you who were doubters
from the beginning, But England is a tier above Mexico
in terms of ability and talent. But the Mexican national
team at the Azteca Stadium in Mexico City acquitted themselves
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very well and fought really hard against a better team.
And I think I just think that you know athletics,
this is true in any sport. If you left it
all on the field, you know, nobody was booing Rocky
when Apollo got the decision the point was he took
the champ the full distance. I thought we'd be able
(04:09):
to give them a real match yesterday, and I think
a lot of people did. And that was the disappointment
that it looked like a college team playing a JV
high school team.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I mean it was. It was embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
It was an embarrassing ass kicking, and uh, you know,
I feel badly for the guys. I know they worked
really hard and they got up to this point and
they had played well, and I know that they wanted
to do better than they did. But on the positive note, Clay,
it's been a great World Cup. It has been really
fun for the viewers who've gone to the games or
just watched them on TV. It's been a great showing
(04:41):
for America as a country and as a host nation.
And I do think that matters a whole heck of
a lot more in every sense. So yeah, don't worry.
Not a lot of soccer analysis coming today other than
we're just not there, folks, We're just not We do
not have world class soccer players in this country, and
we're not about to have world class soccer players in
this country. And maybe that's just okay, Maybe we need
(05:04):
to just accept that that's the way this is gonna be.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I actually I have a ton of thoughts on this.
I think we should and could be one of the greatest.
I think we should be the best at everything, and
I think we actually have to be more aggressive in copying. Frankly,
the way that Europe develops its soccer talent. Belgium only
has what eleven million people. So for people out there
(05:29):
who say, oh, too many of our best athletes go
to football, basketball, baseball, hockey, whatever you want to point to.
If you're under six feet tall, you almost have no
chance of playing any other sport at a really, really
high professional level. This is just reality for men. I
mean harsh reality, but it's true. You could be the
(05:50):
greatest soccer player in the world and be five to ten.
I'm not sure you could could be five eight five eight,
Yeah right, you can't be the great Maybe I guess
you could be a job. You can't be the best
hardly at any sport. Sorry, short kings.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Play just told all the under six foot men of America.
You can be a jockey. Yeah, you could be a
Try to be positive. You could be the greatest soccer
player in the world. You can't be the greatest at
any other team sport.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You have no chance of playing in the NBA. You
have no chance really of playing in the NFL unless
you're gonna play second base in baseball. There's almost no
guys that are significantly under six feet tall that are
very successful. You can be the greatest soccer player in
the world. So I don't buy the oh, there's other
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athletes competing all these different things. I want to be
the best, But I do think we have to face
the harsh reality, which is we went to the Round
of eight in two thousand and two, twenty four years ago,
and otherwise we haven't been able to do better. And
this was set up perfectly. The nation was behind us.
We would have had an entire week of incredible drama
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leading up to where I think we would have lost
to Spain. But at least if we had gone out
buck like I hate to say it, Mexico did. I
don't think there's anybody who watched that Mexico lost to
England and said, oh, I feel like I was cheated.
Mexico left their heart and soul on the field. They
played a really high spirited brand of soccer, they happened
(07:27):
to lose to a better team.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
They very easily could have tied and then won. I
mean they were they made it very close. You were sweating.
I was sweating as an England fan literally, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
If we had lost in that fashion, I would have said, okay,
like that's frustrating. But we just got out early, eviscerated,
and like I said, we had a great call from
one of our listeners down in Texas. Unfortunately, the Trump
dance ended up being done by Belgium and not by
the by the United States because when you to the
victor go the trash tawk right, and I give him credit,
(08:02):
like they absolutely walked into a hornet's nest of a
stadium in Seattle filled with red, white and blue and
people who were ready to be.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
All about it. I saw a great clip.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
We were tied for sixty one seconds after we got
the gold to make it one one. Did you see
the Vince McMahon clip where everybody uses that meme of
Vince McMahon, former WWE president, the founder, where he's doing
an interview and he just I'm sure you've seen that
meme where he's like.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Oh, he starts crying crying. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, Like people use that meme all the time on
social media, and it was Hey, Dad, tell us about
the time when the US was tied with.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Six for sixty one.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
This second, it made it seem like we had a
chance for one whole minute of the entire that was
the only minute where you really believe, by the way,
because they were outplayed every other minute of every.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Other you know, both have the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
It was all right, take some of your calls, I
will say, if you want to look for the shining light.
I do believe that America as an has acquitted itself
phenomenally well and in terms of hosting all of the
different people who have traveled to the United States to
celebrate the World Cup. And I still will really enjoy watching.
(09:14):
I think there's only like eight or nine games left
in the entirety of the World Cup. We'll have four
in the quarterfinals, two one. I know they play a
third place game, I guess, but I don't think that
many people watch it, So I'll be looking forward to
watching that.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
We'll take some of your calls.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
You can react, you can make your analogies of how
you felt. I bet we'll get some really funny talkbacks
associated with that. Let's also, though, buck dive into and
start to set the table for this Grad Platiner drama. Yesterday,
if you were listening as we were finishing the show,
we told you that there was an expectation that there
(09:51):
may well be information coming out that would threaten Platner's
ability to stay in the race. So let me give
you a little bit of a background here as we're
prepared to go into the break, and then we will
dive into this story in earnest because I do think
it's a big one. Graham Platner has until July thirteenth
to withdraw from this race. That would then give Democrats
(10:16):
two weeks to select a new nominee. Politico wrote a
story that featured a sexual assault accusation, very detailed, and
I have got I'm sure we have that audio. Jake
Tapper interviewed the accuser and she said straight out that
(10:40):
he raped her. This is cut one, I believe, Let
me and I apologize.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Let me be as direct as I can.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Did grand review by definition, Yes, absolutely, because he had
not consensual sect with you.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Force himself, had now know and fought them off.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
He violated multiple layers of consent that night, by coming
into my own when I asked him not to, and
by advancing on me when I told him not to,
and furthermore another incident that I had told him not
to do and with protection.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So so far grand Platner has not
dropped out of the race. He was selected as the nominee.
There's a lot of questions about what the New York
Times knew because they wrote a story that suggested inappropriate
behavior on several different levels by grand Platner in relation
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with many different women, but was not this detailed. This
woman was willing to go public with Politico. Now, all
these Democrat who stood behind Graham Platner over the Nazi tattoo,
who stood behind Graham Platner, Remember when he said that
if somebody tried to rape his house, he would sorry
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rob his house. He would rape them if any guy
did that, but not in a sexual way. They admitted
that he said that he's had multiple different sexting relationships
with women he wasn't married to. Now sexual assault allegations,
I mean, there is a bevy of the Reddit pasted posts,
all these different things that would suggest that Graham Platner
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world of crazy, Clay and Buck have your back.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Thanks for being here, everybody. And a couple of things
going on right now. One is the beginning of the
early stage of shich I should say, of the trial
for the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk that is underway.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Helly, you've been following this pretty closely.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Are there any surprises, anything, you know, anything noteworthy so
far other than what.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
We've already reported and believed to be the facts of
the case.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I think yeah, it's a good question. There is a
not insubstantial conspiracy community that has convinced itself that Tyler
Robinson is not the shooter and let me just not
the assassin of Charlie Kirk. And again, they're just releasing
a lot of the evidence. They have this guy, Tyler Robinson,
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who has been charged with the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
This is from Brecon Thieves, who is covering it for
the Federalists. This trial is taking place in Utah, says.
The first part of the video that they ever released
shows Robinson on the parking garage. They show him on campus.
They also then show a video again. All of this
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is video of him walking with a limp as he
is going up the stairs, and it's very different from
the other videos that are shown earlier in the day
when he does not have a limp and one of
the legs is not bending at all, and one of
the judge, one of the officers testifies that Officer Bagley
(15:53):
did that he is walking that way because he's got
a rifle alongside of his leg and he's trying to
avoid bending his knee because he can't been his knee
Beaus got the gun that he's hiding, and then there's
tons of evidence of him on the roof. I think, Buck,
this is going to be an open in hutcase, and
I hope that they put all of this as much
(16:16):
of it public as they can, because I think again,
the fact that he visits all this time, and is
spending as much time on campus, and there's all this evidence. Again,
the jury will decide, but it seems overwhelming to me
based on all the evidence that Tyler Robinson committed this shooting.
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And I understand there are people out there that say, oh, well,
it could be somebody else. Again, that's going to be
the defense. I don't think there's a very good defense
for it being anyone else.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Now, are people who currently believe that there is a
vast conspiracy going to change their minds on this issue
no matter what evidence is presented. I think the answer, unfortunately,
is largely going to be no.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
And and I can tell you having now this is
of course CIA guys saying this right.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
CIA, CIA.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
But a lot of stuff is said about the CIA that,
having been on the inside and been out now for
a long time fifteen years, is just kind of laughable
and absurd, and people believe it because they want to
believe it. Who would be a part of the justice
machinery here, which includes state investigators, police, the you know,
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the FBI, that would all imagine keeping them all quiet
and having them all be a part of some cover
up and conspiracy in this case, it's it's just absurd.
There's no one who's come forward from any of this
and said there's actually something amiss here in terms of
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the investigators are being stymied, or there's some political pressure,
or there's some and yet the internet rumors about Look
there where we just talked about this, there were Internet
rumors about Mitch McConnell everywhere, Internet rumors. And then you
get Scott Jennings's friend. He says he called them, he's
(18:28):
talked to this morning and he seems to be in
good spirits. So so much for those Internet rumors, right,
which were very loud and very prominent for the last
forty eight hours or so particularly, And now there's also
a lot of Internet rumors about this. And I would
just say, Clay, in a time where conspiracy unfortunately sells
and gets clicks and gets attention in a very rapid way,
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it's very clear that's the case. It's also a very
lazy way to get attention. You know, what's a hard
thing to do to be consistently accurate, intelligent, insightful and
creative in your presentation of news and facts and commentary,
or just say that there's actually space aliens with lasers
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who look like lizards, who are the real people behind
all of this? And just stay with me. In a
few days, I'll be able to prove this to you
and anyone who tells you otherwise. By the way, they
are part of the space alien lizard conspiracy. And that's
exactly what they would say.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Hey, I agree with everything that you just said. I
think the big challenge here it's COVID some conspiracy. So
many conspiracies related to COVID ended up being true that
there is a i think not insubstantial collection of Americans
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of all different backgrounds that just don't trust anything.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Now.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Well, but so so I think that there's that's absolutely true.
And I'm not trying to, uh in any way ignore
or downplay that, Clay, because obviously I agree with you,
and I think that that's been a huge it's been devastating,
and also the FBI has taken a tremendous hit in
credibility and everything. Yes, but when you look at COVID,
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or you look at the FBI and where it has
failed in the past, you look at these things, there
were a lot of us at every stage saying guys,
this is wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
They're lying to you.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Here's here's the here's what's going on here, Here's why
Fauci's full of it. Here's why you can't trust here's
why you know you know what I mean? Yeah, that
that is something that you could you could always look
at and say, I'm not part of some like secret
society that has the things that has the special answer
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here that nobody else who have trusted and believed in
and has been right by the way over and over
and other things, thinks is real that I think that
may be a good way of understanding the conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Here are the people that align with your.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Ideals and values on everything else, also saying that this
is a problem, you know, like Russia collusion, for example,
Clay was that a conspiracy? Yes, it was. I was
saying it. Hannity was saying it, Glenn Beck was saying,
and Rush was saying, and Mark Levin was saying, I
mean go to You know, everybody was saying, hey, guys,
this is a car you know, there's a conspiracy, there's
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a coup.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
This is what's happening all across the board.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
It wasn't one person or a handful of people who
claimed to have some secret truth that by the way,
they're not trying to convince anybody else in the movement
of really they're just trying to like send people after them,
like you know, feral maniacs, to shout at them and
say they're part of the conspiracy as well. This is
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that's cult behavior. That's not political analysis and commentary. And
what this Charlie Kirk thinging the facts are being presented.
I don't want to hear about alternative facts or grand
conspiracies or anything else unless somebody can tell me why
what is a parent is false. I don't really want
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to hear it. I don't know what else there is
to say.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
This is why the trial needs to be as public
as possible, and this is why I would encourage you
guys to actually go to the source documents. You can
go watch the trial proceedings right now that are taking place.
You don't have to trust me, You don't have to
trust Buck. I always come back to read the original documents,
watch the actual videos for yourself. Don't watch the way
(22:40):
the media covers stories. Don't watch the way just Buck
and I talk about the stories. There is source material
that everybody should be able to operate off of. You
and I read the source material, We watch the source material.
We do lots of research to be ready for this show,
and I would encourage you guys to do too. You
should one hundred percent trust anybody in media because we
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can all get things that are wrong, and a lot
of times when you get things wrong, it's when you
haven't gone back and looked at the actual source material.
This evidence is damning. Yes, I mean this guy.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
It's it's red handed, red handed on video, all the text, messages,
all the everything that you could ever think would be
present for this kind of a case. And to anybody
who says, well, and this is where this stuff always
goes about, this is also why you know the JFK
stuff is.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It's also tiring people like, oh, when they release the files,
then we'll know.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
No, we're not going to know, okay, because if we
knew what was based on what was in the files,
we would already know and they wouldn't just be sitting
in files.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
What you're going to hear from people, I think.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Now the Internet, the Internet ecosystem will produce Oh, but
it's not just that Tyler Robinson did this. It's that
that he was directed by some other entity, or some
other individual. Okay, well that's not even what Tyler Robinson's
defense is alleging. And now you're gonna tell me, oh, well,
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they can keep him quiet. Really, he's facing capital murder.
They're gonna keep him quiet. How exactly if he was
doing this at someone else's be Haster's part of some
conspiracy And this is this is one of the problems though,
and one of the reasons we don't spend time here
talking about internet conspiracies on the show is that you
breathe at some level, you breathe life into them just
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by talking about how they're not true. And on the
other side, you allow them to go on, you know,
unrefuted if you don't discuss it at all. And so
then it's well, if you clearly had a better explanation,
why wouldn't you talk about it. A lot of the
stuff that has been said about Charlie Kirk's assassination is
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reckless and gross and I mean, I would say defamatory, uh,
and it's it's wrong. And I just hope that everyone
watching this just goes with exactly what is being presented
and what the facts are and just be rational about this.
You know, if someone's going to tell you if anyone
is going to tell you, it's all be it's all
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a sham. All the investigators are in. Really, how is that?
How do you get all the investigators in? Let me
tell you. In the CIA, if something was really juicy
as a secret, someone leaked into the Washington Post at
something like you can't can't also secret.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Also, yes, if it's really a challenge. There's lots of
people inside the government that have a different take, right.
I mean, when there's disputed outcomes for things like you,
everybody's writing their memos and they're like, this is actually
the way it goes.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Here's the way that I would just bring it home.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
You have to be, I believe, an evil person to
believe that Erica Kirk, with a two year old and
a one year old, doesn't want the person who killed
her husband held accountable for it. You have to be
an evil person, in my opinion, to believe that Charlie
Kirk's own parents, who are there in the courtroom don't
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want the person who killed Charlie Kirk held responsible. Let
me give credit to him. Donald Trump Junior has been
in the courtroom both of the last two days. Do
you think that Donald Trump Junior doesn't want the person
who killed Charlie Kirk held accountable.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Well, I mean, you can even go further than this,
because people allege that, all the people that say it's
Tyler Robinson. This is a terrible, horrific assassination by a
lunatic who hated Charlie for what he stood for and
hated Charlie for his beliefs. By the way, there have
been plenty of high profile assassinations in the past where
that was exactly the motivation.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
This is I had a trans boyfriend girlfriend, whatever the
hell it is, right, that is undisputably true.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
And so now you're going to tell me that all
of these people that are.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
That's to your point, that are very prominently at the
and and and you know are Jack Pisobic, who's who's
a friend of mine, he's there as well.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I mean, there are all these people that are there.
They're all in on it.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I mean, someone's going to say that with a straight
face or they wouldn't call I even take it a
level down from that, because that's truly that's truly crazy town.
And there are people you go online, there's people who
are firmly in crazy town, which is sad. And and
you know, when you're talking about saying that people would
have somebody that was very dear to them killed, I
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mean that's about is. I mean, you could you could
wrongfully accuse someone of being like a child molester, and
I think that may be the most defamatory industry. But
accusing someone of having someone that they care about deeply
murdered is right up there with the worst possible thing
you could say about a person. And you should not
ever say these things unless you are damn sure that
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there is a very solid basis for it. It should
not be speculation, it should not be and it's it's wrong.
And I understand that there are a lot of people
that are that are angry about being lied to by
the government. They are angry about what institutions in this
country have done in recent years, including over COVID. But
we have to keep some moral compass on, my friends.
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We have to keep some sense of reason, rationality, and
facts front and center or else what.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
We're doing here. I agree.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I echo all that, and I would just come back
to Erica Kirk to me, has been treated awfully by
the general public. Most of the people that have treated
her on internet public I should say, because I think
in real life it's very different. But most of the
people who have treated Erica Kirk the worst are on
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the right. Yes, I mean, I mean if the left
has treated Erica Kirk better in general than the right has,
and that to me is a huge indictment of the
culture on the internet of the right that has been
a lot to develop.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
There's been more hate about Charlie on the left overall,
to be sure, after his assassination, but crazier things are
said about the assassination on the right.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yes, that's a good unacceptable, Yeah, unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
And and you know, look.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
I also say this people, if you have an audience,
the audience is actually the accountability measure. The audience actually
has to demand more from a person. You know, people say,
why don't you guys get more involved in all this stuff.
We're not going to be able to convince anyone to
stop saying crazy things if they think saying crazy things
gets them what they want. It's up to the people
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in this context, the cult followers, if you will, they
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Speaker 4 (30:57):
One thing we haven't talked about yet on the show,
I think and I wanted to mention it because we're
discussing the realities of the main Senate race.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
There's a lot going on there.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
But for a while now it has been, uh, it
has been clear that something is uh something with Mitch
McConnell's health has been a miss. I mean, he's he's
in he's in bad shape, my friend. As the bottom line,
it's been the hospital for weeks and there is a
(31:28):
little bit of a of a quiet around his actual condition.
There are people who have said things prominently online that
are are are very distressing about you know, the future
of well about the health condition let you say of
Mitch McConnell. But I do think, Clay, it is it
is uh something that will will follow and we'll look
(31:51):
at uh. Clearly, there's already he's not running for It's
not like he was running for re election. But that
is a real era of the Republican United States Senate
that that door is closing, and Mitch McConnell has had
a very big imprint on politics in this country for
a long time. And Clay's it's looking when someone goes
(32:17):
to the hospital for three weeks and they're fine, you
are generally going to hear that from their team and
their staff.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
So we offer up our thoughts and prayers.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
You know, Look, he's a human being, he's an American,
he's a father, he's a husband, he served his country
in the Senate, and we wish him well. I just
know that a lot of rumors out there right now,
and the rumors are very you know, there are sad rumors,
I will put it that way about Mitch McConnell's current state.
So we're waiting for updates on that.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, I would just add echo everything you said. From
a larger political perspective, it may be the case that
Kentucky has to have a new senator before the election
takes place in November, and the swearing in would take
place in January. I don't think that is a difficult
(33:05):
proposition to put forward at all. I will say Scott
Jennings just tweeted, I spoke to my old friend Mitch
McConnell this morning. He's still recovering in the hospital. We
talked for just shy of twenty minutes about Iran, Ukraine,
the unfolding situation in Maine, my visit to the Teddy
Roosevelt Presidential Library, and more, and a little bit of
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Senate history. I told him we want to see him
back at work as soon as possible.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
He just posted that two minute.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
So that's really encouraging because there's all this, you know,
like I said, we don't report rumors.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I just know there are rumors out there.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
But if Mitch is having conversations with Scott Jennings's, that's
very encouraging.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
No doubt, and so we will see what ends up
transpiring there. But we did want to mention that when
we come back, we got loaded wines. We'll take a
bunch of your calls, will continue to break down the
latest in Maine, probably get some of your great talkbacks
on the US collapsing, the analogies that you have there,
all that and more coming your way as we roll
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into our two Welcome back in our number three Clay
and Buck rolling through a ton of different stories. If
you happen to be Egyptian and listening to this show,
don't know that there's tons of Egyptians listening. Worst defeat
for Egypt since the parting of the Red Sea Buck.
(34:35):
They were up two to Ozho with seventy eight minutes
into the game Argentina, then the defending World Cup champions,
scored three goals in thirteen minutes and they win it
in regulation, one of the biggest comebacks in modern sports history.
Tom Brady tweeting that it may be even better, sorry
Atlanta area sports fans, than the twenty eight to three
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Patriots Super Bowl tie come back that just happened. Big story, obviously.
In the world of politics, Graham Plattner the drama surrounding
what is he or not? What is he going to
do or not? Is he going to drop out? He
has until July thirteenth to drop out and allow the
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Democrats to select a new replacement. They would have two
weeks to select a replacement until July twenty seventh. Bernie Sanders,
who was one of the top endorsers of Graham Plattner,
has finally broken his silence. Weighed in and he says
he thinks it's best for Graham Platner if he were
to drop out, to step down and allow a replacement
(35:42):
to be selected. We have been talking about the evidence
in the Tyler Robinson case as that evidence is being
revealed by the way, Bernie Sanders saying, I've spoken with
Graham Platner about the best path forward for Maine in
light of these very serious allegations. I have recommended that
he step Aside that just now from Bernie Sanders, we
(36:06):
have talked about the Tyler Robinson trial evidence. We are
taking calls on that. We have talked about Mitch McConnell
and shared from Scott Jennings of CNN the conversation that
he relayed with Mitch McConnell. As Mitch McConnell has not
been seen for several weeks and continues to suffer from
significant health related issues. All of that underway and we
(36:31):
will continue to follow them. But I would say, in general, Buck,
the biggest story that is out there right now is
what is Graham Platner going to do?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Will he or won't.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
He step down? There is substantial evidence, at least if
you look at Calshi and Polymarket, that he is going
to be stepping down. But both you and I are
of the opinion that he won this primary in June.
A lot of these allegations about him, the Nazi tattoo,
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the Reddit post, the inappropriate conduct with women were readily apparent,
and any of the Democrat primary voters could have researched this.
He won overwhelmingly. He was He defeated Janet Mills, the
sitting governor. They spent tens of millions of dollars she
did to try to attack Graham Plattner and the voters
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of Maine in that primary race, said Platner is our guy,
and we're standing behind him. I wouldn't drop out. I'm
just gonna be honest with you. And this is me
just being honest in general.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
If if you were accused of something that you say
you didn't do, and that's what he says, doesn't dropping
out make it seem like you did it. I wouldn't
drop out if I didn't do it. There's a zero
percent chance I would drop out. Uh yeah, I think
about the again. We talked to the last hour about
incentives and incentives being such a good indicator for what's true,
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what's not, what's going to happen and what won't. What
is the incentive for Graham Platnir to drop out after
a story comes out that he says is is categorically false.
He says, any allegations of non consensual sexual activity are
are false. No, nooah, fans or butts, that is. I'm
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just that's his position. That's the position he's taking if somebody,
if you're running for office and someone alleges something like
this against you, and you are telling everybody it is
absolutely false, but then you step out, people are.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Going to believe it is true. Everyone knows that.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
So what is the upside for him to say, you
know what, enough is enough for the people, for the
Democrats of Maine, I will allow somebody else to take
this position.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I think it's not there. I think.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
I'm not going to be betting on this one. But
I think the markets may have this one wrong. That
he's going to drop out in the next twenty four hours.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
It is interesting also that all of the allegations that
came out in the New York Times, if you go
back and parse them, Democrats knew the sexual assault allegations
were out there because they managed to get the New
York Times not to directly call this sexual assault, even
though there were definitely assault allegations that were intimated in
(39:32):
a very significant way in that New York Times piece.
And I just the timing on this is such a
Democrat hit job. They didn't put it out before the
July fourth holiday. They waited until everybody's back home, everybody's
paying attention on the week out. They've got a full
week to increase their pressure to dial it up. And
(39:57):
I just I wonder if if Graham Platner is going
to have the stones to stay in and if he doesn't,
I feel very confident that it's gonna be because he
got paid. I mean, do you disagree with that that
they're gonna come.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
To And then that goes to incentives, That goes to
why would he drop out? Well, if they say, and
I understand the way that he could try to maintain
some degree of reputation after this if he did step down,
is to say, I flatly deny all these allegations. But
it has become a distraction, and we all know the
(40:29):
political speak, right, it has become a distraction for the
people of Maine, and so for their benefit, even though
these are false allegations, et cetera, et cetera. I will
step aside, but he doesn't actually care about the people
of Maine. This is the point. He's gonna do what's
best for him. So unless you change that calculation, I
don't think that he's this. I'll tell you something. When
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we were discussing whether Joe Biden would step down, and
it was a close call, Clay thought he would eventually
be pushed out. I thought he would make it through,
but it was a close call. I think that's fair
to say he stuck out for How long did he
last after the debate?
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Weeks? I would say almost a month. Okay, so a
few weeks.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
He did additional interviews, he did that Stephanopoulos interview, and
he was trying to stick it out, and there was
no mechanism to force him out. It was only convincing him.
So how'd they convince him? Well, I'll tell you something.
His wife just had a book come out. You may
have noticed this. I pay attention to these things sometimes.
(41:30):
His wife, doctor Jill Biden, had a book come out
and it was number one of the New York Times
bestseller list in his first week, and it had this
funny little dagger like this little knife next to it
on the bestseller list, which is the indicator of someone
(41:51):
who had Yeah, they sold a lot of books, but
someone bought all of those books, or some entities bought
those books, called a bulk by. You know, Jeff Bezos
could easily be the best selling author in like the
History of the World if he wanted to just spend
a billion dollars and buy his own books.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
You know what I mean? Correct?
Speaker 4 (42:10):
So this is a way of making sure that the
system isn't gamed without people at least knowing. Now, they
let her game it. They put her at number one.
They could have just kept her off the list. Why Buck,
why are you talking about this? I'm sure Jill Biden
got a seven figure advance for a crappy memoir someone
else wrote for her that nobody cares about. I'm sure
Jill Biden is going to be invited to give speeches
(42:33):
about her book, and probably paid speeches about her book
at a whole range of places for one hundred grand,
one hundred and fifty grand to show up. You know,
all this kind of stuff, all these different democrat controlled
NGOs and foundations.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
How does all that matter?
Speaker 4 (42:49):
The real conversation, whether it was Pelosi, Obama, whatever with Biden,
was you don't step aside and the Bidens can't squeeze
another dime out of this town. That's how they got
Joe Biden out. That's what it came down to, good
old fashioned, cold heart cash laundered through book deals and
(43:11):
speaking fees and board seats and Hunter Biden stuff and
blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
That's how they play the game to.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Be independently wealthy, because you can't get as much financial
pressure brought against you. Let me read this because we
were scheduled. Some of you will remember Lindsey Feifeld, who
was one of the top accusers of Graham Platner in
the New York Times case, the story that came out.
She posted this earlier today. I understand why Democrat leaders
(43:41):
didn't take our story seriously when The Times reported them
in June, but are taking them seriously now. It was
by design. The line most shared from the piece was
the claim that the New York Times quote could not
corroborate my story despite talking to two of my friends.
I gave them the contact information for five friends they called.
(44:04):
The two who I clarified would not know about the abuse,
but would be able to affirm our relationship, timeline events, etc.
They didn't call the other three. I also gave them
the names of all my former roommates who remembered him
stalking our row house and waiting for me to return.
I gave them screenshots of messages between these roommates and
(44:25):
I discussing it. I gave them names of other men
I dated who might have remembered him following us around
and showing up on my stoop after we walked home
from dates to confront us. I gave him emails to
my landlord asking for to be able to move. I
told them during premarital counseling, I spoke about the abuse
because I had to explain why I reacted anytime he
(44:47):
lost his temper the way I did. They said, oh, no,
we don't need to bother him or my priest. Besides,
I'd written about it in my diary. As the weeks
dragged on, I stopped trying to give them evidence because
the amount I had already given them seemed to overwhelm them,
and I thought it meant they had more than enough
to verify every one of my claims. My friends might
(45:08):
not have known the details all of this, they said
they couldn't corroborate. This is interesting because they let Platner
get the nomination, and they had potentially the ability The
New York Times did to really take him down and
keep him from getting the nomination. He has all the
(45:28):
cards now, Buck. They can't force him directly, now you're right.
They can offer him cash, they can offer him inducements,
they can offer him all sorts of different aspects in
order to be able to drop out. But if he
just says, screw you, guys, I'm the nominee. If I
were him, I would actually go and use your example
(45:51):
with Kamala and Biden and say switching to Kamala didn't
help us. She lost every key state. You're trying to
get me to do what Joe Biden did. The difference
is I don't have dementia. I'm the selected member. I
am not going to drop down.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yeah. I think that's where we are. We'll see.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
It could be wrong, and there there are these stories
out there, or rather rumors about other stories that could
hit and maybe at that point it becomes too much.
And at some level, it may also be that a
person who has received so much opprobrium, has had so
many calumnies thrown in their direction that they want to
(46:34):
shirk away. They just honestly can't handle the scrutiny anymore,
and so they step aside.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I don't think that's this guy.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
I don't think that's him, but I would somebody might
ask us, Clay, why swallow Well? We know why Democrats
pushed him out because they were that was easy the primary,
so they could actually that was easy primary. They didn't
want to have a disaster where they actually had a
guy that then would be a possible liability in the general.
So but why would Swallwell step out? I think it
(47:03):
was because it was just so grotesque and embarrassing, and
he knew he wasn't gonna win at that point, so
he dropped out. The difference here is Platner's got it,
and here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
What else does he have?
Speaker 2 (47:15):
This is why I told Yukamalo was gonna run some
of these people. Platner doesn't have kids, he doesn't seem
to have a life outside of politics that would make
him feel in any way fulfilled. This is it for him.
I wouldn't drop out. I'm gonna be honest, with you,
I just wouldn't do it.
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