Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jul 9 2026

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton argued that Platner's withdrawal could set a precedent that accusations, even when denied, can effectively end campaigns before voters make a final decision. Clay and Buck contrasted the situation with high-profile political and judicial confirmation battles involving figures such as Brett Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas, discussing how public figures have responded differently when facing accusations and intense media scrutiny.

Clay and Buck talk about Trump Accounts and financial literacy in America. Clay and Buck repeatedly argued that schools do a poor job teaching practical money-management skills, including investing, compound interest, mortgages, credit card debt, taxes, and wealth creation. They used real-world examples to illustrate how many Americans misunderstand basic financial concepts and emphasized that building wealth often depends more on discipline and consistency than on earning a high income. The hosts encouraged listeners to think about the process of investing over decades rather than focusing solely on immediate results, highlighting the power of compound growth and long-term participation in the stock market.

Conservative columnist and commentator Ann Coulter joined the show with a discussion about media culture and political commentary. Coulter argued that many television analysts and journalists avoid taking strong positions because there is little penalty for being wrong as long as they remain aligned with establishment opinion. The conversation focused on what the hosts see as a growing reluctance among political commentators to express controversial views and how that dynamic has affected trust in traditional media outlets. Coulter reflected on her own experiences in political and legal commentary, while Clay and Buck discussed the difference between opinion-based analysis and what they view as consensus-driven reporting.

Clay and Buck also addressed what they described as growing online conspiracy theories surrounding the Charlie Kirk assassination. They argued that many alternative explanations fail to account for the volume of evidence presented during the hearing and questioned who would benefit from the elaborate conspiracies being advanced online. The hosts discussed the tendency of internet-driven speculation to fill information gaps and contrasted those theories with what they argue is a substantial body of documentary, forensic, and testimonial evidence supporting the case against Robinson. The broader discussion examined how public distrust fueled by events such as the COVID-19 pandemic has made some audiences more receptive to conspiracy theories across a variety of subjects.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Thursday edition, Clay and Buck. We got a
ton of different stories to dive into with you.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Iran Strike's return.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
The Tyler Robinson hearing is ongoing, but we begin with
the news that happened yesterday evening. Graham Platner, Maine Senate
nominee for the Democrat Party. We've talked a lot about
all of his travails, all of the scandals that have
followed him.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, in an eleven.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Minute recorded statement which was loaded with a lot of
different attacks on a variety of different people, he has
dropped out of the nomination that he won. One hundred
and fifty six thousand people voted for him, and now
they are going to have a convention of sorts to

(00:56):
pick a nominee to replace Graham Platner to run again,
Susan Collins in Maine. Buck, my biggest takeaway, I would
say I have two, and I'm curious what your biggest
takeaways and where we go from here. First, this is
the Democrat Party doing what they do, and if we
had an honest, assessed media, more than just us would

(01:20):
be pointing out, well, wait a minute, Joe Biden won
the Democrat primary and then they decided he couldn't win,
so they invalidated the votes of tens of millions of
Democrat primary voters and replaced him with Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
And now one hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
And fifty six thousand people just last month voted for
Graham Platner, and now they have canceled all those out
in favor of grand Democrat poohbahs. Who will a few
hundred of them be able to decide who the nominee is?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Now? That is what kind of stood. Yeah, don't don't.
I want you to get to point two. But don't
forget clay about the super delegates who stole the nomination
from Bernie Sanders himself in twenty sixteen. Well, Bernie was
gonna Bernie. They just couldn't have a socialist be the
Democrat nominee because if too many people figure out the
Democrats are socialists, the whole game is up. So the

(02:12):
super delegates gave it to Hillary.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Just the super delegates when they actually got into hacking
the emails, the entire DNC rigged it for Hillary. Yeah,
so I mean super anti democratic. And Bernie has a
right to be angry about that, because I think he
would have been the nominee otherwise back in twenty sixteen
second part on this, and I bet you sign off
on this two buck. I don't care whether Graham Platner

(02:38):
wins the Senate race. Obviously I disagree with him on
almost every issue.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
And I bet I almost guarantee that you will sign
off on this too. If somebody ever accuses me of
something that I really didn't do, it is gonna make
me double triple quadruple when tuppled down. I would refuse
to drop out of anything if somebody were saying, oh,

(03:06):
Clay Travis did X or Y, and I never did
it to me. This is actually incredible cowardice from Graham
Platner because to me, now he's branded.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
I know he said, oh I didn't do it to me,
He's basically admitting that he actually did commit sexual assault.
Because if you accuse me of sexual assault, the last
thing I'm ever doing is letting you try to drag
my name into the mud by giving the credence of
your allegation such that I drop out. So those are
the two big takeaways that I have. But he is

(03:39):
pointing the finger at a lot of other people here.
He is cut one suspending his campaign the Oyster Farmer
once again, I suppose play one.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Amy and I struggled about getting into this last summer,
right around this time of year. We sat down and
we looked at each other and we said, if we
believe in the kind of politics we think that we do,
we have to do this. Over the past couple of days,
really yesterday and today, we have had to have that

(04:14):
exact same conversation. We believe that for the movement to continue,
it can't be made, and for that reason we are
suspending campaign operations.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, I actually think I think for Graham Plattner, this
is the wrong move. Yeah, and you and I saw
this the same way. So look, I also thought he
would push through because he was just days away from
being a nominee. I'm gonna tell you again from his perspective.
And now the deal is done. So who cares. I
think this was a mistake because of exactly what you said.

(04:53):
I think that now you go out a loser, a
loser that people think of as a guy who wouldn't
stand up for himself. You know, imagine for a second
if when the crazy allegations against it, Now these are
not crazy allegations, to be there is that distinction, which
we made yesterday, to be clear. But imagine you are

(05:14):
Brett Kavanaugh and you decide, oh, I just can't take
the heat. Yeah, Democrats for the next fifty years would
have just been saying we stopped a rapist from getting it.
And by the way, he wasn't even a I mean, well,
the first woman didn't even accuse him of rape. Wasn't
even clear what she was accusing him of other than
like some trying with her inappropriate a sexual assault. Even

(05:35):
if everything she said was true, Even if what she
said it had been true about him, I don't there
wouldn't have even been an arrestimate. The whole thing was insane.
And then they came up with later allegations which were
from objectively and obviously even crazier people. Point here being Clay.
He fought through it. Now he's on the Supreme Court,
and now any person of conscience, discernment and reason is like, yeah,

(05:58):
because they try to hit on him and it didn't work.
Where it's Thomas two right thing. Yeah, well, the stuff
against him was even I mean, it was even more ridiculously,
but it was like someone he said something that was
a naughty joke. I mean, that's not even good me,
I do think Buck. This is also important, though, beyond
Platiner or or Kavanaugh or heg Seth or whoever you

(06:19):
want to point to. When you drop out, you actually
set the set the precedent that accusations that are denied
are enough to derail candidacies. And the voters have shown,
whether it was with President Trump, whether it was with
a ton of different Iran Biden people just shook it

(06:41):
off that if you deny it, and if you credibly
push back against it, that they will give the benefit
of the doubt. It seems to me the voters are
actually more forgiving of false accusations or even just accusations
themselves than the media establishment is. So this is the
this is the Platiner point of you on this. He's

(07:01):
essentially saying that he would continue in this battle if
you will, but they're taking all of his ammunition away.
They're making it impossible for him to fight, so that
he has no choice. This is also from his social
media post. This is cut three play it.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Those in power who have the ability to do so
are using these allegations as an excuse to take away
all of the things that we need to run a campaign.
We are going to lose our ability to fundraise, we
are going to lose our ability to access voter data.

(07:38):
We are going to lose all of the things that
any campaign needs on the basic level simply to function.
Larger organizations, the national level party, the bigger donor networks,
they have all committed to spending no money in this race.
If I'm in it, would rather see Susan Collins win

(08:03):
than have me be the next senator from main.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Clay I think this is his I think at the
very end there that is the assessment that's incorrect from
his perspective. I think if he had made it to
where he's the guy, they would have to they would
have to coalesce around. You know what an allegation is
not is not proof. He says he's an innocent man,

(08:26):
blah blah blah, Donald Trump blah blah blah other people,
and I do not believe they would have just Clay.
I believe the latest polling showed Platner even still ahead
of Janet Mills.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Of Mills or Collins, you mean, if they were running
head to head the governor, he would still beat the
governor right now.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
No, that he was better than the against Collins. He
is in a better position, you said, Janet Mills. I
thought the former who was the other Democrat governor I
think of of Maine that he ran against, So I
was getting he would still here. Here's what I would say,
he would still be the pick even I think if

(09:09):
they went to vote today, he would beat Janet Mills
in the Democrat primary. And he's still basically head to
head with Susan Collins in the general. Right, So like
the way this thing is set up. But what I
what I'm saying is what I saw was that he's
actually a better matchup for Collins, even still than his
likeliest replacement.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, I don't this is going to turn into a mess.
And where I agree with you one hundred percent on
is if he were competitive in labor day right when
when really the midterm start, all the people who said
were never going to support him would quietly find ways

(09:51):
to funnel money to him because all they care about
is power, and they don't care who comes to power,
and so all of.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
This, I just think it's a fundamental miscalculation.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
I think it's a further sign you talked about it
in the DNC, the Hillary Bernie in the Kamala Biden,
and now in the Grand Platner situation, Democrats have proven
that they don't actually care at all about the will
of their voters, and so the entire argument of democracy
is on the ballot and all of that is a

(10:22):
total wide Let me also say this, Buck, I don't
understand why so many politicians treat losing as a kin
to death.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Maybe it's because I come from the world of sports.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
One guy who competes loses every time another guy goes
up against him. Right UFC boxing match, one team loses,
the other team wins. Losing is a part of competition.
So for Graham Platner, I would just come back to this.
If he loses to Susan Collins and he loses by

(10:58):
five or six points, Let's say Susan conn Collins wins
fifty two, forty eight, fifty three, forty seven, something like that,
he's viable going forward. He can say, Hey, you know what,
I've got to be better person. I've got all these
different issues, But voters have ultimately come out and made
a decision.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
I think voters would not really turn away from him.
I just I don't buy that.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
The same people who showed up last month, one hundred
and fifty six thousand of them that gave him like
seventy two percent of the overall primary vote. I don't
buy that they're suddenly going to walk away from him.
I think you could almost put Adolph Hitler on the
ballot in Maine and forty seven percent of main voters

(11:40):
would show up because he's not Trump. They would be like, well,
you know, the guy's got a Nazi tattoo. The guy's
a Nazi, but at least he's not Trump. Forty seven
percent of people, at least in Maine are so broken
brain that they're just going to vote straight Democrat tack
the ticket. You made a good point the other day too.
There is no down ballot concern right. Unlike nationwide when

(12:02):
they bumped Joe Biden off, they were concerned about the Senate,
they were concerned about the House, and if he didn't
get enough support that there was gonna be overall down
ballot considerations. That doesn't exist in Maine. So I just
think this is Democrats being diabolical. And uh, I actually
think grand Platner made a poor decision.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, see by the way. Yes, there's some polls that
show uh that it would it was better for Platiner
to be to stay in something that I've seen some
show mills is better. But the point is here, if
you are a Platiner, I think you, I think you
stay in and and you don't. You don't do this.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
I don't know, it's sol over. Maybe this is also
a part of it. Like to me, if you lose,
you just go back to your normal life. And if
you like your normal life, you're good. Was he gonna
go be an oyster farmer and sell his oysters back
to Mommy's restaurant?

Speaker 2 (12:59):
I just I feel like this whole thing is absurd
on many different levels. Yeah. I think that it also
shows you how desperate the Democrats are to find anyone
who is just a normal dude, a normal white dude,
to run anywhere. This is really hard for them.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
One little bit of news two hours ago, at least
he has not officially signed the papers. It's now Thursday.
What if he just totally flipped.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
What if he just didn't sign the papers.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Like I'm just saying, like you can say it can
just come out and put another video out and say
you know what, after this outpouring of support, I've changed
my mind.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
I'm staying in. Like it could turn into even more
of a clown show. It's what he should do.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
I don't think he'll do it, But according to this report,
he has not signed the papers to officially drop his
Maybe the check hasn't cleared yet, too official, because I
think there's probably a payoff that went on too here candidly.

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Speaker 2 (15:08):
Clay end book. Get's going right now. I'm gonna go
a little rogue here quick, gonna go a little rogue.
Yesterday I don't even know if we mentioned it. We
talked about airline stuff. That was my rogue moment. Today,
I want to talk about Trump accounts, which is actually
very much in the news. So this is a this

(15:29):
is something where I'm just switching it up. We'll talk
to Ron in a few minutes. Trust me, you kind
of know what's going on there. It's a lot of
washed rints repeat a lot of the same thing happening
in Iran that you had anticipated would be happening, or
we had talked about would be happening. There are some
updates to be sure, but we will get there in
a little bit. This situation, though, of the Trump accounts,

(15:52):
I think is really important. There is right now a
rising hide of class warfare, socialism, all this kind of stuff,
and you know, Clay, something that would really help, I

(16:12):
think with the Trump administration, but also is an opportunity
for many of the elite institutions out there, particularly involved
in money, to take a positive step here would be
making sure that people understand that they have a future

(16:35):
with a stake in the wealth generation machinery of America.
I had I told you all the other day, I
didn't understand compound interest. I didn't know about these things.
And that's at some level it's just on me, but
until I got much older. But really, when you understand

(16:59):
those things, you see that there is an opportunity here
for the next When I see the next generation, I
mean babies like my son Kerry and I are planning
to set up a Trump account or my son today
And if you do the math on this, even with

(17:20):
and they're going to start out with some money in
the account from this program. Right, That's the way this
is supposed to work. I mean, I've been learning more
about this. I think it's something that everybody should know.
By the way, if you have a baby, do this.
If you have a kid, do this. And I understand
a lot of people are going to say, oh, but
you know, the where am I gonna get the money

(17:41):
or anything else. It doesn't have to be much money
at all. This is something that can have a massive
impact over the long term. Right, So Trump accounts for kids,
let's talk about this. Clay Eligible children born between January first,

(18:02):
twenty twenty five and December thirty one, twenty twenty eight
qualify for a thousand dollars federal deposit. Parents can contribute
up to five thousand dollars annually, and the funds are
invested in stock market index funds until the child turns eighteen. Okay,
these are tax advantage investment accounts. When your kid turns eighteen,

(18:26):
they have access to the money certain qualifying children. By
the way, there's already an opportunity here Clay for charitable
and philanthropic booths boosts. Certain qualifying children may also be
eligible for two hundred and fifty dollars deposits from foundations
like the Michael and Susan Dell Foundation, Dallyio Philanthropies. This

(18:48):
is what I'm talking about. Here is an opportunity instead
of just writing another check to some NGO somewhere that
says they're going to help child poverty and does nothing
and says they're going to train the future workforce or whatever,
and really just eats up all the funding themselves, as

(19:10):
in a current jobs program for ENGO workers, Clay, Here
is an opportunity that would bring people into the their children,
because I think that I think this really appeals to
people a whole lot more than even like Trump has
gotten credit for so far. The idea that your children

(19:32):
are going to start off with something any kind of
a nest egg. When they get up, that's when people
need the money. Here's the big problem. I'm gonna let
the boomers know about something here, and I love you boomers.
My parents are boomers. But I will have money when
I'm seventy five. Is nice. I will have enough money
to get my first apartment, to be out of debt,

(19:54):
to set myself up as an independent individual in my
twenties is life changing. And it doesn't have to be
that much. We're not talking about retirement. These are people
are gonna work clay, but having thirty fifty seventy thousand
dollars in an AT tax advantage account that you have
access to game change. Yes.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
And one of the things that I think we most
fail at in this country. And there are a lot
of things we've talked about historical illiteracy. Financial illiteracy is rampant.
And I sometimes will see some of these videos that
go viral. Did you see the one recently? And I'm
going to dive into this, this Trump account idea, because
I do think it's so important.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Do you see the one that went viral recently where
a woman said, Hey, I looked at my bill and
my mortgage is almost all interest for the entire first year.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, that's how mortgages work. You are you know they
amortize the mortgage. So if you have a thirty year mortgage,
the first ten, twelve, fifteen years, whatever the math is,
is almost all interest. You're not paying principal at all.
People don't understand it. They also don't understand we talked
about this a little bit, and if you pay attention

(21:08):
to nothing else that we ever say on any subject,
listen to this carefully. If you just put one thousand
dollars in s and P five hundred index funds, that's
the five hundred largest companies in America. For your kid,
for your grandkid. Time is on your side, Buck, you

(21:31):
talked about seventy five years old. Lots of people end
up with money when they get old, right, because you
had time on your side over the course of your life,
and a lot of people end up with a lot
more assets. Some of you out there trying to figure
out how do I give it to my kids? How
do I give it to my grandkids. It's a great
problem to have because you can help them. Listen to
me carefully on this. Put money in young people's accounts.

(21:53):
You got a one year old, Buck, Everybody out there
that's got a one year old, Everybody that's got a
grandson or a granddaughter that's year old, your nieces, your nephews,
whatever it is. If you have spare money thousand dollars
down every ten years, it's gonna double.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Oh okay, changing it's more exciting than that. I mean,
that's all true, but I'm saying when you look at
what these Trump accounts can do, for example, like to
make it real for people the government's going to give
you about if you're like me, you got a baby, Okay,
we have a lot of the young parents listening, probably
more grandparents, but a lot of young parents who are listening.
And if you have a baby right now who qualifies

(22:29):
for this, they give a thousand dollars okay, and then
you put in for each year, and think of it
as like the kid's birthday present slash Christmas present, because honestly,
this is more important than whatever else, way more important.
Five hundred dollars a year, a month. That's a lot
of money. Five hundred dollars a year. If the S

(22:49):
and P just did what it has always done over
over a eighteen year, you know, almost twenty year period
of time, your kid's got an account waiting for them
with twenty five thousand dollars in it. Okay, that's five
hundred dollars a year. That's it, five hundred dollars a
year starting with one thousand dollars with compound interest eight

(23:09):
ten percent something like that. S and PI historical average
twenty five thousand dollars. Let me tell you, Clay, I
didn't have twenty five thousand dollars in a bank account.
With my name on it until I went to Iraq
in my mid twenties, and because I had spent no money,
so I was able to bank my So that's kind

(23:30):
of a weird. But in terms of like being able
to just save it, by the way, I spent that
far too quickly. I didn't have that probably till I
was in my mid thirties, like from just saving from
my job twenty five so I worked for over a decade,
over fifteen years, didn't have Now I know most Americans
are say, well, I didn't even have a thousand dollars
saving in the account. Okay, make it two hundred and

(23:50):
fifty dollars your kid will have at eighteen. And you know,
by the way, you can set this up too. She say, well,
you know you're not touching it till you get out
of college. You're not touching it until point here. Being clay,
this makes a huge difference for people. And to the
point about the grandparents who are listening to this, I
am not a grandparent yet, but I uh, you know

(24:11):
what we give carry and I give to our nieces
and nephews money in an account with their name on
it that goes to the s and p every year,
Smart a couple of hundred buck if you can give
not saying I'm not saying it's a ton of money,
not saying it's you know, Richie rich here diving into
the vault of gold call that's Scrooge McDuck, the vault
of gold coins. But but if you make a discipline

(24:31):
of that, you do this every year, someone is gonna
go off to college and they'll actually have money. Someone
is going to start their first job and they can
get that first apartment and not run into debt, not
become debt slaves to credit card companies starting in their
in their twenties, and a lot of people through their thirties.
Some people never get out of that debt. A lot

(24:53):
of people.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
And I want everybody to hear this because to Buck's point,
like I had a negative net worth until I was
seven thirty eight years old. I'm doing very well now, thankfully,
but I wasn't, you know, mid thirties, I did not
have a lot of money. I gotta tell you, so
many people think about the end product, they say, well

(25:16):
I don't have millions.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
You'll hear it.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
I guarantee you if I go into my mentions right
now easy for you to say you have a million dollars.
Now I don't have.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
You're looking at the end result. You should be looking
at the process.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
If you only look at end results a lot of times,
you won't start anything. Buck, you wrote a book, if
you and I've written several when you wrote the first
couple of pages, if you sit there and think, when
you finish the first couple of pages, oh, I don't
have two hundred and fifty pages written yet, you will
be overwhelmed. I wrote every one of my books the

(25:52):
way that I wrote it is I said, I'm gonna
block two hours every afternoon Monday to Sunday, and I'm
gonna sit down on this laptop until it's done.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Right. Same thing with going to the gym, anything else.
You have to start somewhere.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
And so I get so frustrated because I hear people say, well,
I don't have them. Don't think about the end result.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
The processes that you put in place lead to the
results that you want. I read a story yesterday. Buck,
a Costco cashier, is now a millionaire because he was
making He's continued to work there a long time, thirty
dollars an hour. He got up to because Costco will
pay you well if you're good. And he just invested
his money intelligently. There are so many people out there

(26:36):
that could end up millionaires if they just started. And
if you want your kids to one day be millionaires,
teaching them about compound interest, teaching them about investing, you
have to start somewhere. The government is giving you if
you have young kids or grandkids giving you what is it,
one thousand dollars in the thousand dollars, it's just a

(26:56):
plan and discipline. Have a plan, have the discipline to
follow the plan. By the way, it is true of
the gym. It's true of losing weight. It's true of
building wealth. It's true of building a career. It's true
of building a marriage. It's you know, you go down
the list. Everybody. Have a plan, have the discipline to
see the plan through. That's it. And Trump getting people
involved in this. So people are starting out, Okay, the

(27:17):
accounts are being set up. They're starting now with a
thousand dollars, a nice little chunk of change. Also, I
might add, there should be, you know, there should be
a lot of setting up this infrastructure for people, Like
I said, granny, Grandpa put fifty bucks in the kid's
Trump account. Put fifty bucks in the Trump again, don't
don't just you know, yeah, of course you can get
a nice little toy, get them a stuff bear or something.

(27:38):
You have a little extra cash, put it in your
grandkid's Trump like. Yeah, this is the way that you
can make it easier for there to be family. We
talked about family formation, marriage, These things are way down,
there's all. You know. Housing has gotten so expensive in
this country. By the way, I legal immigrants play a
large role in that. We'll talk about that maybe later,
but all of this stuff, clay. If people feel like

(28:01):
they have more of a more of skin in the
game in the actual system, I think they'll have greater
respect for what the system has produced up to this
point and will produce in the future. And this is
this is the way, this is the past. So I
think the Trump accounts are brilliant. I think it's one
of Trump's best ideas. Actually, I love your idea too.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
By the way of Christmas, like, especially if you have
young kids, take half of what you would be spending
on a lot of presents that they're going to spend
very little time playing with and put it in the
Trump account instead and just let it grow.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Like I mean, think about this. You know, when you were,
when you were your twenties. When I was in my twenties,
I moved to d C. I had no money. Okay,
I had two grand I couldn't get an advance on
my salary started at the CIA. Had no money. I
mean you know, say two grand Okay, yeah, but I
moved to a new city. I had to get a bed,
I had to get you know, I had done nothing.
And uh you know I had my car from college,
and uh so I had that. That was an advantage.

(28:54):
That was nice. But you know, use car and I
get down there and I sit there, clay ten thousand
dollars fifteen thousand dollars. Now, I know people can spend
that on a jet ski and they can, you know.
But the point is if you also explain to somebody
how long it took to build that money, and then

(29:14):
they have the basic financial discipline and understanding of how
it got there and also why the system and playing
the system the right way is so important. You know,
this is basically make we want a next generation of
Americans who understand how to do this, how to build
financial security through the system without having to. You're not

(29:34):
picking stocks here, everybody, You're not you know, you're not gambling,
You're not investing on risky stuff. You're investing in the
United States economy, which if that goes bad, it's just
about ammunition, water and gold, and you know, good luck
going the matter. Yeah, yeah, So I think it's really
really important. I think it's a great thing that Trump
has done. And Grandma and Grandpa, what are you going
to get to your grand kid for Christmas of their

(29:56):
birthday this year? Make sure they got a Trump account,
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Speaker 1 (30:55):
Welcome back in hour number three Clay and Buck Show,
Thursday edition of the program. Continuing to track the Grand
Platiner dropping out of the main Senate race story, the
Iran strikes Tyler Robinson hearing that is going on right
now and more our good friend and culture is bought in,
brought in now.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Many of you will say you love her.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Many of you will also say immediately after this or
during this interview that you hate her. That is probably
a good sign for someone that is in the opinion business.
And I told Buck yesterday, I think when she when
he said, hey, we're gonna have a hand on, I said,
I love And because she actually says things, is it
just me or are there there? Obviously there's lots of

(31:37):
morons that say things on the view, but it seems
like a lot of people are kind of afraid to
have actual opinions.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Now, do you.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Get that sense where like you watch somebody on television
and they just basically are the most bland, Like, I
think people are afraid of being wrong, and so they
don't actually say what they really think anymore.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
And yes, you know, the first time I noticed this,
this is going way back, was during the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
That was when I started on TV, I guess, and
I thought it was so weird. I'd gone to the
Supreme Court argument on Paula Jones, and I thought it
was strange that all of the legal commentators, including you know,
Linda Greenhouse at the New York Times, whoever it was

(32:18):
at the Washington Post. I forgot Scalia had a funny
name for her. But any event, they were all saying,
the Court's gonna split the baby. They'll say the suit
can go forward, but you have to wait until Clinton's
out of office. And that wasn't my read at all.
I definitely thought Paula Jones was gonna win, and she won.
I think it was nine zero, and that's when I

(32:39):
noticed there's no payback. I mean, the next day I'm
on TV with the exact same legal commentators as if
you know they are Zarathustra here, and I realize it's
just the protection of the crowd. If everyone's wrong, no
one can say, oh, man, look at that prediction you made,
but you never get credit for being right.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
I worked at CNNA and for a couple of years
on the conservative commentary side, so that was essentially like
being the person to pin the tail on the donkey,
like I was the donkey. I mean, they were just
all like trying to stab me with the donkey tail
all the time. It wasn't fun. But the same thing
was true there where they would have people who would
say the most moronic things about the most obvious things.

(33:21):
But I think it's really just a cheerleading function that
everyone knows they're supposed to, which is why these media
outlets I think have lost so much in terms of
support and haft and GRAVI toss Okay Plattner, I want
to get you on Platner right away. Here. Clay and
I both took a similar position on the similar position
on this. I prefer when Clay disagrees with me, because
then he's wrong and I can beat up on him.

(33:42):
But it looks like we were kind of both kind
of both wrong on this, and so far as we're like, look,
I'm if I am Platner, I wouldn't drop out because
now it's you've destroyed your reputation. What do you think
about the decision? And also what do you think about
the Senate race now?

Speaker 5 (33:58):
Well, obviously I'm disappointed that Platner dropped out. As I'm
sure you guys have pointed out, he was falling in
the polls. Too much had been coming out. He was
going to lose to Susan Collins, who's very popular in
Maine and by the way, the true working class candidate.
But that's water under the bridge. I kind of thought

(34:19):
he would drop out because when when the National Party
says we're not giving you any of our polling data,
we're not giving you any money, it would have been
an absolute blowout against him. They had him, they had
him in a corner. There was nothing else he could do,
and I don't I mean, as for the race, I
think Collins is sitting pretty you look at the other ones.

(34:42):
And also this is just kind of a black eye
for main Democrats, not only the voters but the party.
It's it's humiliating.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
How does Janet Mills and how does Janet Mills if
she steps in Now she's the second choice after the
Nazi tattoo rapist guy, alleged alleged rapist guy. You know
that's not a good place to be.

Speaker 5 (35:05):
I don't think she'll be the candidate. I mean, most likely,
my guest, my guess is would be that guy something Troy,
the one that Sanders has endorsed. And this is the
important thing about him. He's the only as far as
I can tell, of all the candidates they're looking at,
I think he's the only straight white male. And my

(35:26):
lesson from the whole Platiner thing is any straight white
male in America who is still a Democrat is some
sort of weird out. It's gonna come out.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
I actually agree with that, and I'll come back to that.
By the way, this is news that just came out.
A couple of minutes ago. Buck And and Graham Platner
privately told staff he's planning to officially file paperwork to
end his Senate campaign on Monday, the drop dead deadline
for him.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
To exit the race.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
That makes me think, guys, that he's waiting for a
check to clear, because that's the kind of move I
mean to wait till Monday, or he's just gonna say, psich,
you guys were mean to me, I'm staying in. I
would be a little bit nervous about this. What do
you think, Ann Like, you've got the law background. You
were just talking about being in the Supreme Court. I

(36:18):
know me too, was absolutely bonkers and insane. Buck and
I were looking up. You know, there's now a twenty
I don't know if grand Platner is going to be
charged with any crime with these allegations. Maine is one
of many states now and that has a twenty year
statute of limitations for sexual assault. Twenty years, which is

(36:39):
just crazy, given that most of the time this is
a man and a woman disputing what actually happened, and
the idea that there's any way to prove something that
happened twenty years in either direction, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Are we gonna fink?

Speaker 5 (36:53):
I agree? It should be twenty years for a child
if you're a minor. Okay, I mean, I don't even
know if it's twenty years, but a certain number of
years after the child reaches the majority. Obviously it's traumatic
a little a few years onto that, but for an
adult twenty years, that's just damnak Lee's sword hanging over

(37:13):
your head.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yes, okay, So second part of that, we're in a
world where I do give credit to some people out there,
like obviously Trump was able to ride out all these
accusations when somebody says, hey, you did something, and there
it's just he said. She said, like this, Are we

(37:34):
ever going to move away from the media reaction being
in some way, Hey, you need to drop out because
I said, Democrat, Republican, Independent, that the voters decide. The
voters decided here one hundred and fifty six thousand of
them went out and voted for Graham Plattner. Over two
hundred thousand people voted in the Democrat primary. And then
Democrats are pulling a Kamala Biden all over again. As

(37:56):
Buck pointed out, they're pulling Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders
all over again. They're just letting the elites decide. Even
if the will of the voter is completely different, Will
that matter in this race like it might have mattered
in Kamala Biden.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
Well, in their defense, the voters voted for someone about
whom I don't know. Sixteen scandals hadn't come out yet,
and scandal let me call them scandalets. I don't think
any one of these things would have killed him. It
was just this steady, drip drip, and they keep asking him,
is there anything else? It doesn't have to be a crime.
It doesn't have to be. And as per your point

(38:34):
about me too, I mean this latest one, it was
a drunken rape. And I think having sex forcing your
girlfriend to have sex when drunk is different from rape.
I mean a stranger leaping out, pulling you into the
bushes and raping you. It's a bad thing. He's a jerk.
But the fact that she says, and I know this

(38:55):
will be very unpopular, but the fact that by her
own account, she said to him, I think that night
and the next more, do you know what happened? Do
you know what you just did? Do you know what
happened last night? And he said no, he had no. Okay,
he's a blackout drunk. He's a monster when he's drunk.
This is really it's very bad behavior. But I hate
referring to it as rape, since I think rape is really, really,

(39:16):
really serious. And just one other thing on me too,
and Donald Trump. You have probably gone over this, but
not only I, but many of my liberal friends all
think the whole Egene Carol thing is so manifestly preposterous.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
The ice, I.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
Mean, Trump was hugely famous in New York that he
could walk in. And also anyone who's ever been maybe
men don't go to department stores. They follow you around
the whole time. You can't make a move with that.
Do you need a different size? Can I bring you
a different color? How did you like that? Oh? You
look so good in that. It actually kind of drives
me crazy. But you have the salespeople. I'm sure they're

(39:51):
paid and they get a commission to do this, so
I won't complain, but they follow you around. They're like lemmings.
Get the way she's describing it, the entire store is empty.
No one notices Donald Trump walking in.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
It's insert it's And I think also she was one
of the I can't remember the year people, by the way,
kind of like the one which accused Kavanaugh. I think
she got the year wrong. And I'm sorry, but if
something terrible and traumatic happens to you, with the world's
most famous man. I think you remember what year it was.
But that's that's a side point, all right. I do
I need to ask you because your your column this
week unsafe as end's uh sub stack. And she's also

(40:27):
got her syndicated column on ancolder dot com and elsewhere.
And this housing bill Senate past this eighty five to five,
House past this three hundred and fifty eight to thirty two,
hugely bipartisan. You were saying, hugely awful. Trump should not
sign what's going on here.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
Worse than that, he needs to veto it before tomorrow
or it becomes law. Just because he hasn't. He hasn't
done anything. He hasn't vetoed her, he hasn't signed it.
But he was right not to sign it. The claim
was he is just doing it because of the Save Act.
There's some good stuff in overturning federal regulations. Having said that,
it expands Section eight housing, which is an absolute disaster.

(41:09):
It really hurts Trump's voters. It puts ghettos, moves the
ghetto to the middle of nice, safe, middle class and
working class neighborhoods. It completely explains what happened in Ferguson,
which used to be a nice middle class suburb with
no crime, and then Section eight housing gets moved in,
and of course Michael Brown and his neighbors, they were
all living in Section eight housing. This all comes from

(41:32):
this utterly moronic liberal theory that we won't criticize single motherhood,
we won't criticize welfare dependency, we won't criticize drug use.
But the entire determination of how a child will turn
out is zip code. So if we just move them
to nice neighborhoods, because we notice everybody in these nice

(41:54):
middle class neighborhoods where all the parents are married and
no one's on welfare, those kids do real well. So
if we just move the zip code, well, this bill,
it's it's it. Also on the other end, it bails
out sleeves bag slum lords who the government's paying what
the Section recipients get. They get a voucher. They don't

(42:14):
care how much an apartment costs. So an apartment that's
covered in rats and roaches that would run for three
hundred dollars, a landlord can double the price because you
and I are paying. The voucher recipient isn't paying the
government pays.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
It sounds like a bad idea to me. Yeah, well
this is interesting. Let me ask you, let me shift
gears one more question. I don't know if you're following
this Tyler Robinson Charlie Kirk assassination case very closely. But
as we are talking to you, they're having a third
straight day of preliminary hearing. They are producing a lot
of the evidence that they believe makes Tyler Robinson guilty.

(42:53):
There's been conspiracy theories the likes of which, frankly, I
don't even know what hardly to compare it to when
it comes to a criminal trial, that this is all
a set up everything else. How closely are you following it?
How much do you think the actual evidence will matter?
Or have some people gone down such rabbit holes of
conspiracy that there is no convincing them based on any

(43:15):
of the evidence out there.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
I so hate conspiracy theories, and by which I mean
crackpot ideas that there's, you know, a secret man behind
the count curtain somebody else's. Soon after that Charlie Kirk
was murdered, I was out with a group of friends
and one of them said, oh, did you see the
original pictures? Didn't look like I don't know. She was
going down the conspiracy theory, and I got angry and

(43:38):
yelled at her and said, there has never been a
murder case with this much evidence. It's overwhelming. Just don't
don't stop. And it's just going on and on, and
if you watch the trial at all, it's just evidence
piled on top of evidence piled on top of evidence.
In addition, I mean his parents identified him, their pictures.
I don't even want to go through it all at me,

(44:00):
me so angry.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
There's this thing that happens in where people will say
they'll ignore everything, but they'll say, well, what about the
photo that shows him where he isn't limping in between
the photos of showing him where he or you know,
the video that shows him where he is limping. And
I'm like, well so that so I guess check me.
You know, you're pointing out some still frame that I
haven't seen that you think gets rid of everything. And

(44:22):
by the way, if you don't immediately concede that your
argument is now faulty because of some thing that someone
is talking about, you are you are part of it,
by the way, you are part of the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
Really, it's like a schizophrenic. And you know, as a
regular viewer of forensic files, these theories were at least,
you know, within the realm of maybe crazy but possible
many years ago with all of the video we have
now with DNA.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
With.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
The lover and the and the parents saying this is
the guy. No, there has never been a murder case
with as much evidence.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah, all right, and Culter, everybody go check out an
culter dot com. And those of you who tell us
if we have her back, you will never listen again.
You said that last week, and yet here you are.
Great to see you, Ed. Thank you. That's thank you, Ed.
That's always the ultimate trump card.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Early in my career, I remember first person who ever
sent me you did X and I'm never listening again.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
I was like, man, that's it. Maybe I did really lose.
And then the same person would email me the next
week and the next week. Things. The people who say
they're never listening again are actually your biggest fans, and
they're listening more than anybody else.

Speaker 6 (45:34):
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Okay, welcome back. In Tyler Robinson case currently underway.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
He is who has been accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk
in September of last year and Blockbuster. I think it's
fair to say testimony from Lance Twiggs. Lance Twiggs is
the male boyfriend that was pretending to be a girl

(47:14):
trans lover. I think is the way that I would
be accurately described. Again, I feel like remember back in
the day, Buck, when you used to I don't know,
did you do diagramming sentences. That was a big thing
where you like you would stand up on the board
and you'd have to kind of do the I don't
even if they still teach sentence diagramming. I feel like
gender is now got complicated. So this is a man

(47:35):
boy I think he's over eighteen, So man who has
been pretending to be a woman that was sleeping with
the guy who killed Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
I think that's all accurate.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
So here is some of what he said in his
testimony again, his cross examination or his statement that he
made to authorities and vestigating this cut thirty one. He says,
this is political orientated in that this Tyler Robinson guy

(48:09):
hated Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Cut thirty one.

Speaker 7 (48:12):
About Charlie Kirk? Did he ever talk about Charlie Kirk?

Speaker 6 (48:15):
I personally had never heard him talk about Charlie Kirk before.

Speaker 7 (48:18):
Specifically, Okay, how about political issues? So did you ever
talk about gender identity issues and LGBTQ riots.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
No, not really.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
Usually if he did talk about politics stuff, it was
relating to Trump or current like polices being like issued
or voted on.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
I think, Okay, a couple of other things here cut
thirty two. The trans boyfriend says, under oath, and part
of this testimony, this conversation, this discussion statement that again
they're playing this in court, so he's not being cross examined,
but it's just this is the pre trial evidence that

(49:09):
there should be a case brought for the assassination of
Charlie Kirk by Tyler Robinson Cut thirty two. He says,
under oath, Tyler confessed to assassinating Charlie, which todd.

Speaker 6 (49:21):
About what he had He talked about what he had done,
didn't go into detail. He just I just asked him
impersonate what he said was true the night before, and
he said it was it, started crying a little bit
and said he wishes he hadn't done it, and then
kept going around and just doing stuff I think to

(49:44):
keep himself busy or distracted or something.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
He had texted that he killed Trump. Here he is
cut thirty three. This is the lover. Yeah, then I
killed you, said Trump, Charlie. Yeah, unfortunately that's what he
would probably like to do as well, killed Charlie.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
I cut thirty three. Here he is saying how he
behaved after he returned home.

Speaker 7 (50:10):
When did you first see him? On September eleventh? So
this is the day after this?

Speaker 6 (50:13):
Ye, Yeah, I saw him when I woke up, Like
I said, he was up and around doing a lot
of stuff around the house. And then I think I
saw him after that message where I said I'll come
home and say I'm doing a laundry because I didn't
want him going to my parents' house right then when
he said there was probably cuffs outside. So I went

(50:35):
back home and it was just him there and I
said bye to him, and then he drove off, So
I just went back to my parents' house.

Speaker 7 (50:42):
So he acted erratically. Was he pacing? Were they just
sitting down relaxing, No, he was walking around a lot.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Okay, one more cut Here. Here he is saying, remember,
I know it was a hasn't been talked about a lot,
but these bullets allegedly had engravings on them with all
sorts of messages. Here he is saying that he saw
this alleged assassin, Tyler Robinson, engraving messages on these bullets.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Cut thirty.

Speaker 7 (51:14):
He asks you here, remember how I was engraving bullets.
Was he engraving bullets before this?

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (51:20):
I don't remember exactly when, but he had said he
was planning to go hunting with his family, and he
asked me for a if we had like a dremal
because he said he wanted to create messages on bullets,
and I just told him where dremll was and I
told him to make sure he doesn't like set off

(51:40):
a bullet on accident in the house. But I didn't
really think about it until then.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
How long before.

Speaker 7 (51:48):
September tenth was this that he asked about the drummer?

Speaker 6 (51:52):
I don't remember, because he'd been talking about the hunting
slash camping trip for a couple of months, But I
don't remember when he was specifically asking to engrave the bullets.
So are we talking like a year before? Oh no,
not that not that long it would have been. I'd

(52:12):
say it most a month before this was when he was.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Asking, okay, Buck, I wanted to play all those again.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
This is just one particular testimony the trans lover of
the alleged assassin. As more and more of this evidence
comes out, I think and Culter said it correctly, and
if I haven't been as succinct as this, this evidence
that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk is vastly more evidence
than the average person who was charged with murder in

(52:42):
the United States on a regular basis. I mean, this
is voluminous related evidence that he did it.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
What are we really missing in the evidentiary primary pieces?
I mean, when you were to lay this out, we
have we have eyewitnesses, he's confessed it. We have text
messages in which he's confessed. We have video of him there.
We have video of him at the campus three times
before the actual shooting even occurred. He's not a student there.
There's no reason for him to be there unless he

(53:11):
was scouting out the location and trying to do pre
assassination surveillance. We have DNA on the on the weapon,
we have the weapon. We I mean, what else is
it gonna take for anybody who has doubts? What I mean?
I sit here and I asked that what people will say?

(53:33):
Why don't they have video of him? And I've seen
this clay in four K on the rooftop because they
didn't have a four K camera pointed directly at the
place on the rooftop where I mean, I don't under
some of the objections I'm seeing again you start to say,
and this is why people get mad. I don't know
if you've already had this. People been getting mad at

(53:53):
me in comments and online about this case. Mad is
a very gentle way of putting it. But at some
point you just have to be okay with the shirtless
lunatic in the parking lot who smells like he hasn't
bathed in six months, shouting at you and screaming profanity
because you know he thinks you're like an alien from

(54:13):
some other planet. I mean, well, what are you going
to do? You can't reason with unreasonable So I sit
here and just say people can get as mad as
they want until I hear a reasonable explanation as to
why any reasonable person could have any doubt about this.
What are we even supposed to be talking about at
this point?

Speaker 1 (54:34):
This is again voluminous data. I would be stunned if
he's not found guilty. Now, if he's not found guilty, Buck,
I would say that maybe they get one of these
guys or gals who is totally lost in the feverish
insanity of the internet. But again, this is where I
tell you to go to the source material yourself. We're

(54:56):
reading the source material, we're listening to it or watching
it uh in real time as it's being revealed in
the courtrooms. Go look at it for yourself. This is
not even close to reasonable doubt. And so I think
it's a little bit Not only is the you know

(55:17):
we said, the conspiracy laden responses in the wake of
COVID UH make every conspiracy seem more reliable or potentially true.
What I would say in general associated with that is
this is why you need to go to the source material,
and this is why you need to look at it.

(55:37):
What is what is the reason that all of these
people would be saying.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
That Tyler Robinson did it?

Speaker 6 (55:47):
You know, a.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Conspiracy that is good has someone who benefits. Who benefits
from Tyler Robinson being the patsy? I think Buck A
big part of this is people don't like to believe
that someone they love or someone they deeply admire can
be killed by one crazy person. Like refusing to dive

(56:10):
into the specifics of the Kennedy assassination. It strikes people
as profoundly unfair that someone is insignificant as Lee Harvey
Oswald could have killed John F.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Kennedy, And we have to.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Believe that, given that Kennedy mattered so much and Oswald
mattered so little, that it isn't possible that those two
intertwining stories could take the life of someone like Kennedy.
I think also the same is true here. People want
to believe because Charlie Kirk mattered so much and he
was so significant, that one crazy lunatic can't take him
all from us, and I think that is part of

(56:43):
the undergirding aspect of this story. But who actually benefits
in conspiracies? I think you would sign off on this too. Yes,
someone always benefits in a conspiracy. Fauci lying about where
COVID came from directly benefited him. He has an incentive
to lie who benefits from the wrong person being responsible

(57:08):
for Charlie Kirk's assassination.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
I also don't think that a lot of the stuff
with COVID, by the way, is even properly thought of
as a conspiracy. It was just observation. Yeah, it was
just observing what was around. I mean, there wasn't They
weren't trying to be secretive about the fact that they
were mandating this is where your feet go in the elevator.
I mean they were doing insane things and anybody could
have observed the insanity. Yeah, there were some things, like

(57:32):
we found out about Fauci and the gain of function
and some of that. But to your point, well, that
all lines up, That all makes perfect sense given what
we observed. Look, I read the Internet too, such as
it is, and the answer to your question, Clay, is
that there are people who have continued to claim that

(57:55):
the State of Israel is involved in Charlie Kirk's asassinate.
That is the conspiracy online. Okay, we'll say it out
loud for you guys. That is what people have said.
A lot of people have said this in some capacity
because they believe that Charlie was turning on Israel, and
then people get into all this fight about well, what
was Charlie turning on his and everything else. This is
a crazy person thing. This is a crazy person theory. Okay,

(58:19):
this is completely This is a completely insane belief for
which there is no actual evidence whatsoever of any kind
other than the belief that an important conservative voice, particularly
among the youth, was somewhat more open to criticism of
the of the state of isis So the idea would

(58:41):
be to take the enormous risk, like, let's play this,
let's play out the crazy for a second. The state
of Israel would take this risk, and no one would
No one would out it, Clay, everybody would go along
with the conspiracy at every stage and every piece of
all these different people, law enforcement, don Junior, everybody, everyone's
in on it. No, no one says it all because

(59:02):
of Israel. This is I actually think it's important to
say it out loud. It's a crazy person theory. Yes,
it's like a paranoid schizophrenic who lives under a bridge
somewhere and needs help. Theory. That is the truth. People
can get as mad as me. What they want. I
don't care that is reality.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Yes, on all that, I also think we should bring
back remember Okham's razor. The most likely basically stories is
most likely true on your point on COVID, all of
those things line up as the most likely outcome. Where
did a virus come from? Probably a place where a
new novel virus. Oh, I don't know, maybe the lab

(59:44):
where they were doing work with new novel viruses. It's
more complicated to say, oh, it originated with bats or
pangolins or whatever. The theory was right, and if you
just stacked together a bunch of things that are more
likely than not, you often end up at the right place.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
All of the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Evidence is Tyler Robinson was in a relationship with a
trans person, he allowed his brain to be polluted by
much of what he saw on the internet, and a
kid that had otherwise not been a bad kid decided
that he would be a hero if he killed Charlie Kirk.
And he planned it, and he did it. And that's

(01:00:25):
the story. And I think Tyler Robinson's going to be
found overwhelmingly guilty. But you don't have to listen to me.
You don't have to listen to Buck. Go watch and
listen to the evidence yourself, not what someone else tells
you about the evidence. Go to the source material yourself.
As I always like to say, one of my old
law professors said, three things are most important anytime there's

(01:00:46):
a contract dispute. The contract, the contract, the contract. What
we say about the evidence doesn't matter in a court
of law. What matters is the evidence. The evidence, the evidence.
Go look at it yourself. It's overwhelming. He did it,
Tyler Robinson did it. A jury has to convict him,

(01:01:06):
but I'm convinced I would one hundred billion percent de
voting guilty.

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