Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jul 10 2026

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton discuss the economy, particularly gas prices, inflation concerns, and consumer costs. Clay and Buck analyzed fluctuations in oil prices and gasoline costs, debating why gas prices often seem to rise rapidly when oil prices increase but decline much more slowly when crude oil prices fall. The hosts discussed market dynamics, consumer frustrations at the pump, and the political significance of energy prices heading into future elections. Several callers contributed firsthand explanations from experience working at gas stations and in fuel retailing, helping explain inventory pricing, replacement costs, and how station owners determine pump prices. The conversation evolved into a larger discussion of how average Americans measure economic conditions through everyday expenses such as gasoline rather than through government statistics or Wall Street indicators.

Buck compared the significance of GLP-1 medications to major medical breakthroughs, calling them one of the most important healthcare innovations of the 21st century. The conversation touched on obesity, diabetes, heart disease, fertility, inflammation, sleep quality, sleep apnea, longevity, and quality-of-life improvements. Buck also shared his personal experience losing substantial weight, emphasizing that these medications are tools that work best alongside lifestyle changes such as improved nutrition and exercise. The hosts criticized the “body positivity” movement’s normalization of obesity while stressing that individuals should seek healthier lives without shame or stigma.

Clay and Buck discussed testimony and evidence emerging during preliminary hearings, arguing that the case against Robinson appears increasingly strong. A significant focus was placed on the emotional impact of Robinson’s father reportedly testifying against his son. The hosts repeatedly framed this as powerful evidence, arguing that few parents would voluntarily testify in a case that could potentially lead to their child receiving the death penalty unless they believed the evidence was overwhelming. The discussion explored the difficult position of both Robinson’s father and Charlie Kirk’s father, with the hosts emphasizing the tragedy facing both families.

Clay and Buck discussed the box office success of“Young Washington” and used that conversation to explore what they see as an untapped market for American historical films. They lamented the relative lack of major movies focused on the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, Lewis and Clark, the Barbary Wars, and the Civil War when compared to the large number of World War II films produced over the years. The hosts debated why Hollywood tends to revisit World War II repeatedly, suggesting that filmmakers are drawn to stories with clear heroes and villains. They exchanged recommendations about historical films, including The Patriot, Last of the Mohicans, Gettysburg, Glory, and Gone with the Wind, while arguing that many important chapters of American history remain underrepresented in modern entertainment.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Friday edition of Clay and Buck.
And it is a doozy. I cannot believe it is
the middle of summer already, Clay crazy Town. We are
entering population all of us. I can't believe how fast
the time is flying by old god Buck starting off
the show here. Yeah, you know, I was in the pool.

(00:22):
We're teaching speed how to swim. It's important. He's doing
pretty well, doing fourteen months, doing pretty well, actually fifteen
months tomorrow. So gosh, he's going to be driving before
I know. You are learning.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
He won't be driving because self driving cars by the
time he's that age.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
No, that's true.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
But I was telling my eleven year old that the
other day in the car. I do think one of
the things you're going to learn as you as he
gets older. Summer is actually particularly scary when you have
young kids because you're often near bodies of water, pools, beaches, lakes,
all those things, and getting in the water as one does,
and they move so quick, and if they're not very

(00:59):
good at swimming, like it's probably for really young kids
one of the most important things that you need to
get them trained for. So glad that's going well. But yeah,
I remember those days, like you're sitting by the pool.
You got to be like a My wife had to
save two different ones of our kids who just ended
up in the deep end, right and get him. Yeah, wow, wow, Well,

(01:22):
I can tell you one of my favorite things in
the world right now, share a little. It's funny Clays
like play is like he's like a senior in college, dad,
where it's like graduation is looming and I'm like freshman
in college dad, you know, just sort of figuring out
where the where the dining hall is still.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
But my little guy when he when he swims from
the instructor, We've got a great instructor here, swims from
instructor to me and he makes it. He stopped for
a moment, make sure the water's out of his eyes,
and then he claps for himself. I think it's the greatest.
I'm like, that's a kid with some confidence right there.
It's like, that's right, little man, you did great, you
did great. But he stops to give himself a little

(02:00):
of applause each time, which I love. I love. Some
people are saying it's the best, So yeah, really enjoying that,
all right, news It is a news program. We are
going to give you all the news. I promise the ceasefire.
Here's the short version of this. It's not a ceasefire
if everyone's still firing at each other. So Trump talked
about this and did in fact say, yeah, no, the
ceasefire is over. I think we've known that because, like

(02:22):
I said, a lot of stuff has been going boom
the last few days. We will discuss the Iran situation. Yeah,
this case Clay out of Minnesota where Tim Walls pardoned
a child sex offender, you know, child sexual assault criminal,
and Rubio has revoked this guy's legal status. We just

(02:43):
talking about that a little bit. We've got update from Mitch.
I'm sorry, Scott jennings On, Mitch McConnell, Gavin Knew some
chatting about some things. Donald J. Trump International Airport officially
now the West Palm Beach Airport, which is a first
world airport, unlike Miami International, which is a third world airport.

(03:04):
It's a shame. I don't know why Miami has to
have the worst. Some people say, Clay O'Hare. I'm like you,
o haair people are spoiled, Okay, spoiled compared to Mia.
I think Miami is the worst large city airport. Will
you co sign this or do you have a worst one.
I think it's the worst large city airport in America,
especially given it's like the lifeblood of South Florida is

(03:27):
visitors and travel and everything else. It's it's absolute madness
that the Mia Airport is.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I intentionally fly into Fort Lauderdale so that I don't
have to go into the Miami Airport. I mean that
gives you some semblance. LaGuardia used to be like a
Greyhound bus station. It was awful. It's now very very nice.
It's beautiful now.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
You can say what you will about New York folks.
You fly in the LaGuardia the Delta terminal, you know,
you can get a Shiatsu while they're cooking your Kobe
beef right next to you. I mean, it's really nice.
I think that go.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
I think I would go Miami as the worst major
airport in the country. I mean, I haven't been to
I've been to a lot of them over the years.
It's pretty awful.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
It's good for your Nashville Airport is like a private
aviation terminal. You people at you Nashville people. You don't
even realize you're spoiled. That's your airport.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Sometimes traffic gets really bad getting into Nashville because we're
such a popular tourist destination now and we really haven't
built the infrastructure for the airport all the way yet.
That's a small, relatively complaint. I love the Nashville Airport.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I just wanta't you people in Nashville. Now, you guys
don't have state income tax and you have a I
would say at least an A minus, if not an
A airport, whereas Miami's an F. You can go watch Scarface,
same airport, and that movie was made in like nineteen
eighty four.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
You know what, I'm gonna give it a running here
at Dallas. Dallas Airport is truly awful, especially if you
compare it to National, which is maybe the best airport
in America. When you land in National, you can be
in DC anywhere you need to go in fifteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
You land in Dulles like you're in the middle of
Virginia where you don't want to be. You might be
out there for like four hours, four hours in traffic
trying to get it out. And you remember they designed
it in like nineteen sixty five to be super high tech,
which is bad. It's like Epcot is not very high
tech now because it was high tech in nineteen sixty five.
You have to get on those people movers to go

(05:20):
around from one terminal to another, and you're like, what
is It's like you're on the surface.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
They look moon. Yeah, they look like the first things
that would get blown up in a Star Wars battle.
You know what I'm saying. Yes, they look like the
things that the Walkers would crush. Anyway, Yes, so, but
Trump has a very nice, very nice, very beautiful airport
named after him. We'll discuss that. And yeah, basically this
is this is where I'm trying to make sure it.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
I also, I know I'm talking about my son a
bunch today, but this matters for all of us. The
I set up a Trump account for him. Speaking of
Trump yesterday, how long did that take?

Speaker 2 (05:54):
We had a big discussion about that yesterday. For people
out there who haven't done it. You had to commit
how much time? How complicate it was it?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Five minutes? Oh wow? Five minutes? The guys. I made
sure my sister has done it because she's got a
little one who will Now remember, even if you have
a kid who doesn't technically qualify for the thousand dollars
starter from the Treasury, you can still set up the
Trump account, which is a great It's just another tax
advantage account that you have. The the interface is very good,
the app is very user for it's they did this right.

(06:23):
This isn't like the Obamacare website which crash and nobody
could you know, the whole thing was a disaster and
they spend like a billion dollars to use nineteen eighty
seven technology in twenty ten or whatever. They did a
really good job on it. For you, for your kids,
set up a Trump account, and for any of the
grandparents I have grandparents out there, Yes, knit them a

(06:47):
nice sweater, put you on a hundred bucks for Christmas
or their birthday in the Trump account this year. Try
to get in that habit. Put one hundred bucks, put
you a hundred bucks whatever you can in that Trump
account for your grandkid because getting that start. You know,
there's been more and more conversation Clay as well online
about what we discussed yesterday, which is you need money

(07:07):
actually for family formation and to get going in your
twenties and your thirties. You know, having retirement money is great,
but we need to actually get people money earlier in
their life stage as well. I'm not saying someone's retired
at twenty five. I'm just we're talking with the Trump accounts.
It's not about you're going to retire at twenty It's
not making you a millionaire right when you get out

(07:29):
of college. But twenty grand, thirty grand, fifty grand to
get you going is just by investing in the American economy.
It's a very good plan. It makes a lot of sense. Okay.
Oh and Clay, there was also this, sorry this is
kind of a hard turn, but a Mexican national ICE
was involved in a shooting with a fifty two year

(07:50):
old Mexican national. We can give some of those, you know,
some of those details of the Mexican government's making a
lot of noise about it. Was a guy in the
country illegally, was it a legitimate enforcement operation? Did he
resist arrest and pose a threat to officers? That's what
really should matter in all of that. But yeah, Clay,
I think that the decision, or rather the announcement by

(08:14):
Trump that the ceasefire is over. You're watching the gas
prices super closely. We're gonna be drilling in on this
day and pardon the expression gas prices drilling. We're gonna
be drilling down into this every time where it's in
the headlines, because this will affect the midterms clearly. The
price of gas affects the price of a lot of
things as well as what you pay at the pump.

(08:36):
No big move on it right now. I'm assuming kind
of staying steady state mister Clay.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, it's three dollars I was looking. I mean, obviously,
every time I say this, people have to tell me
what the price of gas is in their local gas station.
Price of gas is right around three dollars and eighty
cents a gallon on average nationwide, which is down about
seventy cents from the peak in May, should.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Continue to come back down.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
All that I'll say is, and I do think that
I would love to hear from gas station guy and
gal out there who run gas stations on this. The
degree to which gas station prices go up rapidly and
come down slowly, I think does deserve some form of investigation,
by which I mean we had a little bit of
a spike in gas prices just in the last day

(09:26):
and a half with Trump saying, hey, the seas fire's over,
and they might have gone up four or five cents
some places. How can they react immediately to a little
bit of a spike in gas prices two or three dollars,
but they can't react instantly to a thirty dollars decline
in gas prices?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Are you going full Bernie Sanders on this one? You
think this is like a gas cartel operating in a
shady fashion.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
You want government REGI the analogy, The analogy I would
make is it seems like it's a lot easier to
put on weight than it is to take off weight.
Everybody out out there who has tried to diet compared
to putting on weight is noodding along. It feels to
me like gas stations are very responsive when gas prices
go up at all, but they are not very responsive

(10:11):
when they come down. So I mean, my point on
this is, I believe gas prices got up to around
one hundred and fifteen dollars on average. This is futures
gas A barrel of oil and gas price hundred fifteen dollars.
They're now seventy two dollars, right, so they've come down massively.
When we went to war with Iran, they were sixty
eight dollars. We went to war with Iran, gas prices

(10:33):
were around three dollars a gallon on average. We've gone
up four dollars. Yet gas prices are still three dollars
eighty cents, still about eighty cents higher. Trump has talked
about this a little bit. It feels to me like
gas station prices are amazingly responsive when they go up,
but amazingly slow when they come down. And I do
think that that works to their benefit in both directions.

(10:55):
But when they don't come down fast, they say, well,
we can't adjust it that quickly. But it or does
seem like as soon as they go up at all,
they manage to adjust it in a hurry, If that
makes sense. I think a lot of you are probably
nodding along. I suspect that is. And again, I'm not
trying to take shot at gas station owners and people
who run those companies, because the reality is they make

(11:16):
almost no money off the price of gas, so they're
probably just trying to be particularly protective of themselves. Most
of the money that a gas station makes comes when
you go inside and buy something in the gas station.
Profit margin on a coke inside of a gas station
is super high, coffee, whatever, it is. Profit margin on
gas virtually non existent.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
So then how is the gas price being manipulated? Bernie?
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (11:41):
I think that they are adjusting in real time. Whenever
they see gas prices go up, they adjust them up
because it's easier and more protective of the business to
have them too high than it is to have them
too low, because their profit margin on gas is so small.
This is my analysis. I've never run a gas station.
Their profit margin on gas so slow that if they're

(12:01):
wrong on the downside, the cost is significant. If they're
wrong on the upside, they don't have much of a cost.
So it's protecting the business. Isn't that just what the
market will bear? Then why would it be Why look
into this?

Speaker 1 (12:13):
I mean, if they want to overshoot their price, somebody
can go to a different gas station.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Well in theory, except how often do you see different
gas prices in close proximity?

Speaker 1 (12:23):
So you think there's collusion between the various stations.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I mean, I think I think it's not coincidental that
you have big, huge signs on every major intersection, and
every gas price is within one or two cents. Somebody
send me a picture of somebody that's fifty cents cheaper
across the street from another gas station. They always are
within a couple of cents of each other. Right now,

(12:46):
you're monitoring it easily. It's not like necessarily collusion because
you can look out at your neighbor gas station's price.
I've never seen in my life, buck, I mean this,
I've never pulled up at a gas station at a
you know, for a big intersection. Right there's gas stations
like three of them most of the time. I'm like,
I got kids, I probably need to have one. Go
to the bathroom. Which one looks like it's the nicest bathroom.

(13:07):
The price is never very different right now, the price Clay,
Hold on a second.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
When you pull up to charge your tesla, do you
chat with the fellow tesla owners about the best pilates
classes in the area? Do you guys, do you guys
talk about it?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
I'm like, can you imagine that these guys actually have
to buy gas?

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Man?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
What are these what are these barbarians doing? All I
gotta do is just pull into my car, into my garage,
and I plug it in like my cell phone, and
I can just drive anywhere. If I keep hearing this talk,
I feel like you're going to show up with dyed
white hair, a button down collar and start saying start
saying things like the millionaires and the billionaires you know

(13:45):
who has My wife was very anti Tesla. She grew
up in Michigan. Her family designed, her brother designed cars
for Ford like car culture Michigan. I don't know that
much about car cultures. She now loves the Tesla and
was talking the other day about how if they could
have a suv where you could fit, like a real
size suv, where you could fit all the kids and

(14:07):
all their gear and everything else. Basically that we would
only buy Tesla's for the rest of our lives. I mean,
that's how awesome they are. I just wish they had
I don't really like the cyber truck personally. I wish
they had a bigger suv version. This thing's amazing, I'm
telling you. And I was kind of joking you were
talking about your son. I was in the car with
my eleven year old driving him to football practice, and

(14:30):
we were riding along in the Tesla, and I said
you're going to have to learn how to drive a
car because you need to know have that asset. I
said five years from now, by the time you're sixteen,
the self driving is going to take off on a
level that I don't think most people have even realized.
I think it's going to be like driving stick something
you want to know, but that actually very few people
very you know a stick shift?

Speaker 1 (14:50):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (14:51):
When's the last time you even drove a stick shift?

Speaker 1 (14:53):
CIA training twenty years ago. Yeah, I mean they made
us learn how to drive stick That was part because
you go to all these crappy countries where you're gonna
drive like cars from the sixties.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
So yeah, I haven't even seen a stick shift. I
don't remember the last time I got in like a
modern day car. We'll take your calls. By the way,
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and hang with the guys Clay and Buck pre.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Sat on the iHeart Appo.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Welcome Back Aga in our number two Friday edition Clay
and Buck. All Right, A lot of times you can
get news and it's super negative. That is a certain
truth that there is a predisposition towards negativity. We got
the situation in Iran, we got the murder case of
Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
I saw this story this morning.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
This is from Axios, and we've talked about it a
little bit on the program, but I saw it. I thought, oh,
you know what, we should have a little conversation about this,
because Buck has been really plugged in with this impact,
and I bet increasingly more and more of you are.
And so, okay, this GLP one medical revolution that we're
in the midst of. I saw a headline in my

(17:15):
old print newspapers that I read, Buck, you can now
get GLP ones under I think Medicare and medicaid. I
think I'm correcting this for fifty dollars a month, like
out of pocket, you pay fifty dollars. This is one
of the things that Trump administration has negotiated, and it
is affordable for a lot of people. Right, fifty dollars

(17:36):
a month, what is that basically a week? Twelve to
fifty I think a week basically a little bit over
dollar a day. Right, you can theoretically be able for
less than you're spending on coffee. You can be able
to potentially although you should go buy Crocket coffee because
it's the best coffee in America. You can be able
to go out and transform your body. And this is

(17:59):
the day. According to Axios that I was reading this morning,
the percentage of adults who currently take them has quadrupled
since twenty twenty four. I thought this was interesting, from
three percent of the population in twenty twenty four to
eleven percent today. According to a new Gallop Pull, fifteen

(18:22):
percent of Americans say they've used the drugs for weight
loss at some point in their lives already.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
And this is interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
America's obesity rate has begun to decline for the first
time in decades. American obesity rate buck in twenty twenty two.
And I know we can discuss, hey, what is the
official way that they're measuring obesity. But I think a
lot of you who just go around on a day
to day basis would say the number of people that
are overweight today compared to the number of people who

(18:53):
were overweight, say in nineteen eighty five, is hugely different, right, No,
pun intended down from thirty nine point nine percent to
thirty six point four percent. Small tick down. But Buck,
tell me if you buy or sell this argument. Antibiotics,
in terms of creating longer lives, probably the greatest medical

(19:19):
invention of the last what did you say, one hundred years?
I think that would be fair to say used to be.
You could every one of you listening right now has
someone in your family history going back one hundred years
or so somebody would fall and break an arm and
die because there would end up being a a overall

(19:42):
infection that would occur and people die.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
You get an infection for breaking your arm. That's a
rough that's a rough break, right, But I mean like
people died.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
You go back and look at how your great grandmothers
and your antono.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
You get a cut, you get a staff infection, you die.
That's real.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, I mean it would be crazy the amount obviously, childbirth, women,
all those things. Right, So one of the biggest editions
of life, the greatest human creations in terms of extending
a quality of life, has been antabotics. You buy or
sell this argument, Buck, I think that these GLP ones
and their additional continued evolution has the potential to be

(20:22):
the greatest medical trans addition to life that we have
seen since antabotics.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yes, I've already said this. I think that GLP ones
are the most important twenty first century medical advance that
we have seen. I think it's because it affects so much.
And obviously you talk to your doctor before you do
any of this. All the provisors apply, right, all the
usual make sure that you know you're getting them from

(20:50):
a doctor, and you're getting them, you're being monitored and
all these things. There can be side effects, and this
is why every big farmer commercial has a million side effects.
The side effects of being obese are really bad. And
this is why the body positivity movement was actually such
a horrific I mean, the whole thing was a lie.

(21:13):
If you are you know, there's and everyone understands there's
a difference between you know, I would look better in
a bathing suit if I lost twenty pounds. Okay, fine,
that's probably not going to affect your health very much,
if at all, probably won't affect it at all. If
you're one hundred pounds overweight, you are destroying your quality
of life. Yes, from a medical perspective, maybe you think
you look great. Maybe everyone loves that's fine. Medically speaking,

(21:34):
you're destroying your quality of life over time because of
all the inflammation. Because because that's something people don't even
think about. Your body is in a constant state of
inflammation and the visceral fat that people gather around organs,
which is kind of that it's like a deep fat
that is around the organs that creates inflammation that is

(21:54):
over the long term, incredibly bad systemically for your body.
Then of course there's type two died, there's heart disease,
there's stroke, there's these things, the big killers, all worse
from obesity. All of them are worse. All of your markers,
all your health markers. So now people will always say
this stuff like, oh but and this is where I
think it's important to speak openly about this. People will say, oh, well,

(22:19):
just change, you know, do healthy lifestyle. Well, you know,
if you've had a knee replacement and a hip replacement
and your testa speaking about a guy now, and your
testosterone level is like sub three hundred, and people are
telling you go to the gym and lyft. Let's say
you're you know, you're fifty five. People are saying go
to the gym and lyft. You're going to be exhausted.

(22:39):
You're not going to put on muscle. You already have
high body fat, you have insulin resistance, you have all
these things. It's about chemistry. This is what I And
now you could say, well, Buck, what do you know
about this? Well, you know, I mean I've I've actually
done some frontline work on this in the last couple
of years, I would say. But even more than that,
I have some very close friends down here who are

(23:02):
you know, very high level bodybuilders for example, and they'll
say the same thing. It is about your body chemistry.
And people who just think I'll push harder, I'll be
more disciplined if your chemistry is off, if you're insulin resistant,
if you're used to eating thirty five hundred calories a day,
you can fight through all that. You're going to be
extremely hungry, You're going to be extremely tired. You're going

(23:25):
to you know, and this is why Claymon. You know,
the stats on diets long term are that they fail
for you know, ninety five percent, ninety seven percent of people.
Everyone gains the weight back. Glps are a secret weapon
in the war on obesity and not I shouldn't say
secret weapon. They're an X factor weapon. They're not secret
at all. We're telling you about them. But they are incredible.

(23:46):
Everyone I know who has taken them has gotten phenomenal results.
I've heard of very few people that have had side
effects so bad that they've I actually haven't heard of
anyone whose side effects were so bad that they stop.
I've heard stories of people secondhand, but they're there's all
this great stuff that happens too. Married couples start having
more sex, for example, which means too more children, more babies. People.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Good. But by the way, being overweight effects or sleep.
When I was, I mean, i'll tell you guys, I
weigh two hundred and five pounds probably now, uh don't
quite have Clay's six pack at his one eighty five whatever,
but I weigh like two two hundred and two oh five.
I pretty much did my my whole career in media.
I'd say I was probably between two hundred and two ten.

(24:30):
And then when you and I teamed up, I don't know,
I don't know. All of a sudden, I just developed
a real taste for ice cream. Uh, And I got
to like almost two forty, which was just you know,
that was way too high. And I realized that and
so I dropped. Actually I got down to one hundred
and eighty five hundred and ninety pounds maybe a year,
year and a half ago, you lost almost fifty pounds. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(24:54):
And I talked to my doctor, and I will tell
you I had a stack, and I had a whole
range of peptides that I was taking as part of Now,
I did change my eating. I increased my step count
to ten thousand a day. There were all these things.
But the point is it makes it easier. It's a tool.
It's a tool that make you still have to do
the things. By the way, I do know a couple
of people who have blown through their GLPS by just

(25:16):
eating too much. Like they don't they're not hungry, but
they're so used to eating so much they just keep eating. Now,
you know, then you're really just getting into percent of people.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
The data reflects that it doesn't have the same impact
on yes and ampair to everybody else. Well, but you
can you can just be like, you know what, I
don't really I'm not hungry, but I'm just so used
to having a bacon cheeseburger at nine o'clock at night
with a chocolate milkshake.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
They're like, I gotta do it. And it doesn't magically
make the way it come off you. It changes the
way that you feel. You know it. It does help
with some of the blood sugar stuff. I mean, I'm
not a scientist. I'm not a scientist. But the biggest
thing it does is it makes you not hungry as
much it is a hung It controls your appetite. The
problem of obesity is a problem of overc co assumption

(26:00):
of calories, full stop. Ninety nine point nine percent of
people who are overweight are over consuming calories. People want
to talk about clay, you know, Oh I have a
swo metabolism, Oh I have some spide. I'm a woman
who's going through a hormonal thing whatever. Ninety nine point
nine people are over consuming calories. So it helps you
stop doing that.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
So I love all of this, And this is super positive.
If if these GLP ones as they continue to move
throughout the population, and again they've quadrupled in terms of
this accorded to AXIO since twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
I would did some research.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Doctors think that about fifty percent of our medical related
expense is actually directly connected to obesity. Think about that
for a minute. Yes, in other words, all of the
treatments that are going on all of the hospitals, and
obviously I'm not talking about somebody who breaks the leg
or breaks hip or something like that, although that could

(27:02):
potentially be connected in some way to obesity. Imagine what
the cost what it would do to overall budgetary issues.
For instance, in the United States, if suddenly our expenses
for healthcare collectively as a country started to dive because
people were healthier, they were living longer, and these GLP

(27:25):
ones were helping people to have a much higher quality
of life. This is a really pot I don't think
it's being talked about enough. You've talked about it some
on the program because you've been through it and you've
looked at it. But when I consider what stories are
being covered out there, and again there's a predisposition for
negativity in the media. A lot of people only want
to consume negative things. I understand it. Sometimes we miss

(27:48):
the daily positive things that are occurring. This is a
potentially transformative in a positive way attribute in this country
and frankly in many countries around the world.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
But it has national debt implications, to be clear, because
the amount of money, like think about it, this is
this is real, the amount of money. We have a
population crisis in this country. We're not having enough kids.
Those of you who are asking. By the way, Kerry
and I are working on it. Okay, we're trying to
get we're trying to we're trying to up the numbers.
Clay's got three, so he's at you know, good at uh,
he's beyond replacement level. So good on there. We got one.

(28:19):
We're working on more. We're working on more. But the
reality here is we don't have enough people having kids.
This does assist with that. By the way, you're also
more fertile, believe it or not, when your body is uh,
you know, at a healthier weight.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
It makes total sense if you think about it biologically, right,
the healthier you are, the more likely you're going to
be able to raise it did but it's true of mail.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
It's true of mail sperm production as well. Since we're
getting into this. If you're really really overweight and you
smoke and these things, it affects your ability as a
guy to be able to have kids. Uh So, so
all of these things all ties to get above your sleep,
which is another thing that people do not like, quality
of sleep and getting good sleep. So many people just think, oh,

(29:02):
I snore, I wake up in the middle of the
night and everything else. A lot of the time it's
actually driven by fat around uh. So this was this
was I was getting sleep apnea because I got fat
enough that I started having like, uh, you know, in
the middle of the night you would get a little uh. Basically,
your your breathing is constricted by the fat around your neck,

(29:22):
which is not a pleasant nice thing to say, but
that is true. That is gone. So I sleep great now.
Sleep apnea, Clay is really bad for a whole bunch
of a whole bunch of reasons for people. I consider
all day and talk to you guys about this, but
you know we're talking about with me. Do you agree
with me just being undercovered like that transformative impacts here
from a positive degree? I don't. Well, here's the problem

(29:44):
I mean, And this is why some of you are
like Buck, you know you must be sponsored by big pharma. No,
I'm not sponsored by big pharma. I was as vocal
about uh that I was as vocal a person about
COVID madness and then and then no need for the
shots and all that stuff as anybody as we were
having Alex Bearnson on the show, when you know, people
were doing hit pieces on us in major news outlets

(30:06):
for like how dare we let this? You know, Charlatan.
Of course Alex was correct, and you know all the
data he used was right, point being, I'm not some
big pharma schill. You brought up antibiotics. Same thing. If
someone comes to me and they say, hey, I have
a staff infection. My doctor says I should take the
following antibiotics. Should I The answer is yes, because I
don't want you to die and you don't want the

(30:27):
spidering of the infection to occur, which is what you know.
And then you get sepsis and really bad things and
now you're just in the hospital getting intervenous antibiotics. By
the way, glps, go see your doctor, go talk to them.
They are They have changed the lives of many, many
people that I know, and they have changed the lives
of family members of mine. And it is it is

(30:50):
worth it. It is worth it because the side effects
of being extremely overweight, those are one hundred percent. That's
not a like five percent of people or ten percent
of people. The side effects of being extremely overweight are
you are not maximizing your day to day enjoyment of
your life, the amount of time you'll be on this earth,
to be with your kids, to be with your grandkids

(31:10):
or whatever. Help use these tools. By the way, people
that also do any of this like shaming, they're they're morons. Okay,
they're absolute. When I say shaming, people that are like
doing this and get a good result to like, oh, well,
you know you took something. This is a health issue.
What do you What do you mean I took Does
anyone say to you, like how you took penicillin? You
should have just gone old?

Speaker 2 (31:30):
So yeah, you should have just died. You should have
just died. I don't know why you took atabout it.
You took something. You don't have a cold anymore or
the virus or whatever. I will say this.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Also, this whole body positivity thing is just vanished gone. Yeah,
the whole idea of I'm super fat and I'm proud
of it, it is vanished overnight. I don't see this anywhere.

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Speaker 2 (33:15):
Looking for normal in a world of crazy, Playing Buck
have your back, Welcome back in playing bock. Rolling through
all of the stories across the nation. One thing that
I wanted to hit, and I know we've talked about
this quite a bit. I do think as they continue
to have the preliminary trial case being laid out for

(33:40):
Tyler Robinson, the evidence is just overwhelming. And by the way,
I will open up phone lines. We did this earlier
eight hundred two eight two two eight A two. A
couple of things. One, Tyler Robinson's dad is going to
be testifying against him. Him in the trial for anyone

(34:03):
out there that is a dad or a mom, because
I think the mom is also a witness, but the
dad more so based on the conversations that they had.
If you are one of these people who has bought
into conspiracy, somewhere else is involved. Do you think they
got to Tyler Robinson's dad?

Speaker 1 (34:22):
What would it take?

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Imagine how difficult this would be if you are a
parent to find out your son to tell you that
he killed Charlie Kirk. This guy, My understanding is the
family are Republicans. Heck, they may occasionally listen to this
program because we've got a huge audience in Utah. The

(34:45):
dad is going to testify against his son that all
of the background training for shooting, being cooming a decent shot,
having his grandpa's gun, the fact that his son confessed
to him, I shot Charlie Kirk with our grandpa's heirloom
gun that he gave to me. For all the dads

(35:08):
out there, what would it take for you to lie
about your son committing a murder in a courtroom where
you're putting him in Particularly, all the.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Dads are saying the same thing. You'd have to kill me.
I die first, no way, and his dad is facing.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Having to testify in a case I believe where his
son could face the death penalty.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
I just think for some of these details.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
The second one you and I were we took calls
from a couple of guys who were saying, there's no
way this thirty odd to six. The thing that the
gun that was used to shoot Charlie, and this is graphic,
but a lot of people are talking about it, and
I think it's significant that the bullet would not stop.
In other words, it wouldn't leave. There are a bunch
of experts. Now I would have looked, and this is

(35:58):
something when I don't know, maybe I'm rare on this.
When I don't when I really don't know about anything,
I go try to research and find out information. This
is the law background in me. You have to become
an expert on lots of things in the law in
order to be able to talk about it. There are
tons of experts on these particular guns and these particular

(36:19):
shootings that are now coming out and saying, oh, there's
lots of examples of the exit wound not existing and
the bullet staying inside of the body, including reportedly Martin
Luther King Junior, who was evidently shot back in nineteen

(36:39):
sixty eight with the same weapon as Charlie Kirk. And
so I've reached out to a couple of experts on
this Buck, I have sent to our team and maybe
we can get the audio. Jeremy Boring, who used to
be at The Daily Wire, had a ballistics expert talking
about this shooting, not affiliated with any side, not the defense,

(37:02):
not the prosecution, not affiliated with any side, saying, hey,
I went back and looked at all these different examinations
of ballistics related shootings, and he found a ton of guys.
Not a ton, but like three or four of the
cases that he looked at were close up shots from
this weapon where there was no exit wound. In other words,

(37:25):
a lot of you that are on social media and
you're following TikTok or you're following arguments on this, I
think as this evidence continues to come out, you're going
to feel as if you have been led drastically astray.
Here's the other thing Buck. The defense in this case,
that is the Tyler Robinson defense team, they are not

(37:48):
arguing much of what has gone viral on social media
as a defense for this guy. I think that's pretty
significant that the evidence to support many of the viral
claims about this Tyler Robinson case. And again I said
this before, I would encourage you on any topic we
talk about, go read about these things for yourself or

(38:08):
trying to make them make sense, communicate them with you.
But the actual physical evidence is now being entered in
this case, You're going to be able to go look
at it, examine it, study it, read about it yourself
from the actual documents the court itself, as opposed to
listening to us telephone style talking about this.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yes, and I think that it's just always a good
practice for anyone to if new information comes in, assess
that new information, and if you had a belief before
that now runs contrary to the way of the new
information you have. It's always okay to say I was

(38:49):
mistaken about this and now I know more and now
I have a different come to a different conclusion. I
will say I believed very much in a broader conspiracy
relating to Jeffrey Epstein than what it seems. The actual
evidence and all the stuff that was released ended up

(39:10):
supporting meaning that Epstein, it seems was And people can
still argue this by the way, and I'm not saying
that they're wrong. I'm just saying my conclusion has shifted.
I thought he must have been running a blackmail ring
of high level people for a whole bunch of reasons.
There was evidence to support that, by the way, that
wasn't you know, he had special cameras and things, you know,

(39:33):
weird stuff about him that would have supported that. I
don't want to get to into the I don't want
to give the Epstein conversations diversion from what we're talking
about here, the Charlie Kirk assassination. But I'm just saying
my assessment on that changed as more information came out.
I'm still open to new information in that, but I
think it actually is the case. And I spoke to

(39:54):
Dan Bongino about this, and he was at the FBI.
He's spoken very publicly about this, and he was looking
at these files very directly and had full access to everything.
You know, Epstein was a pedophile. He happened to hang
out with a lot of other people who were very powerful,
and you know, we're points of access for him. But
it doesn't seem that there was any actual blackmail. But

(40:16):
he wasn't blackmailing people, And now you can get into
what do you believe that? Why would that be? I
mean part of it is I think if the word
got out that he was blackmailing anybody in these high
level then no one's gonna want to be within one
hundred yards of him, right. I mean that there is
that aspect of it, meaning you know, if he actually
had to ever, if Epstein ever had to h if
you will, like you know, drop the tape on somebody,

(40:41):
he could only do it once and then anybody you know,
going forward. First of all, everyone's gonna know who he is.
So I think there's a limited there are some limits
to how far that scheme could go. That's all again.
I'm sorry, I'm getting deep into the Epstein thing that
I want to play, but I'm just saying it. My
understanding of that evolved from where it was. It's okay
for someone's understanding if where I always thought that Tyler

(41:01):
Robinson was the guy. I've always thought that the preponderance,
the overwhelming weight of it was that this is the guy.
And I've seen no evidence that there's a broader conspiracy,
no sound rational evidence as a broader conspiracy. If somebody
was on the wrong side of this, it's okay. Or
you know they think they were on the wrong side
of this, it's okay to say all right, new evidence
has come forward, it's been presented at courts, warrant testimony.
Don Junior is there. Don Junior was maybe Charlie's closest

(41:26):
friend after his wife. I mean, certainly in the absolute
tightest inner circle with Charlie Kirk. What is the world
in which Don Junior is allowing some sham trial to
happen and says nothing about it. If you thought it
was a sham, it doesn't exist. It doesn't expect for
anybody out there who's a dad. We got two dads
in the courtroom. Just think about it from a pure
dad perspective.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
One dad is there because his son was assassinated and
he wants to see the person who killed his son
held accountable. I think every dad out there in America
can say, hey, I can unfortunately imagine how I might
feel if that's it.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Situation arose.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
The other dad is testifying against his son, saying he
took the son of someone else.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
What would you have to do?

Speaker 2 (42:08):
What would dads on both sides have to do in
order for both of them to agree to be involved
in a conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
It just doesn't add up.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
And I do think Buck there is an element out there,
and I understand it to not be willing to admit
or recognize or want to recognize that randomness and lack
of organized directive impacts far more of our life. In
other words, that this random comparative insignificant in the world.

(42:38):
Person Tyler Robinson could wake up on a random day
and decide he's going to kill Charlie Kirk. That James
Earl Ray back in nineteen sixty eight could decide he's
going to kill Martin Luther King.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
That if it happened.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
And I do understand that there's a lot of uncertainties
about Oswald and everything else, But if Lee Harvey Oswald
did in fact kill John F. Kennedy, what it represents
is one loan oftentimes loser, relatively speaking person can take
away a significant, important part of our culture by himself.

(43:14):
There's a randomness to it. A lot of people want
to believe that there is, and I think it ties
in with Estein two. Somebody who's pulling the strings right.
There is a puppet master. There is a larger construct
of life than just a lot of random things are
happening that can sometimes lead to awful results. And I
understand that desire, and I just don't think it applies

(43:37):
in this particular case with Tyler Robinson.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
I mean, think about this, John Wilkes, Booth, Charles Guitou.
You know, they made a Netflix show about the Garfield
assassination by Guito. Guiteau was a whack job. The guy
was like a narcissistic whack job who killed a US
president was horrible too. The way that Garfield died took

(44:01):
a long time, and everything else. McKinley was killed by
Leon chol Gosh, another wacko anarchist type, right, and then
you know, the only one, the only one of all
of the presidential assassin's what I'm saying that it was
some part of a maybe nexus of international Communist or
other or CIA or whatever conspiracy is Kennedy. But in

(44:25):
the other cases, Clay, it's widely under No one thinks
that Gueto was acting on behalf of you know, the
government of Spain or something. I mean, no one thinks
that these were these were wackos who killed presidents. Now,
Charlie wasn't a president, but he was a very important
figure in American conservative politics. And you know, there's also
something something that I think we all now that the

(44:48):
evidence is being presented, that we can say as well,
Charlie's got a wife and he's got two kids, and
their lives have been dramatically altered forever and that can
never change. And it is tragic and it is heartbreaking.
And there's a way you can talk about things that
are sensitive and that are difficult, but that are in
the public domain, that is still respectful. And then there

(45:09):
are ways that crossover into dancing on the grave in
front of the widow and maligning the father in front
of the children. And there's been some of that online,
a lot of that online, and I think people have
some soul searching to do. I really do. I think
that people need to understand it's a vicious and vile
and disgusting thing to attack Charlie's family that is still

(45:35):
here in that way when he's not there to defend them.
I will also say there have been people who are
very close to Charlie who I think, unfortunately, I guess
I don't know if they're just cowardly or they're just
too afraid they won't speak up about this. I wasn't
close to Charlie, noither were you. I didn't know Charlie well,
I didn't know his wife, and we tend to stay

(45:56):
out of the interpersonal, you know, nastiness of conservative podcaster
and media world, which I think is because we don't
want to waste any of your time. But there are
people that I know who many of you would know.
I'm not going to name them because it's not about that,
but some of you know who I'm talking about, who
are extremely close to Charlie Clay. I mean, they've built

(46:17):
their careers on Charlie's coattails, and they are silent while
people say that this was Israel, or this was Turning Point,
or this is whatever, and I just think, I'm man,
I don't know, there's something. There's some things you got
to fight, no matter what the outcome is, you've just
got to stand and fight. And there are people who

(46:38):
have been quiet and all that, who are Turning Point
employees or were people who were close to Charlie. And
it's been disappointing to see that that much.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
I will say we'll play some of that audio maybe
for people out there. I do think we have an
obligation to push back because there's so much crazy out there,
and now that all the evidence is coming out, this
is overwhelming. The average murder case does not have anywhere
near as much evidence as there is that Tyler Robinson

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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Let's get
some talkbacks, some questions and fun things. Also putting something
out there, Clay reminded me, we're trying to take you
into and do it, take you to the happy place
before we head out for the weekend. And that is that.
The movie Young Washington beat the movie Supergirl at the

(48:43):
box office. One is a just pure like Marvel superhero
slop nonsense movie with a heroin who I think said
some annoying things in the press before. I can't even
remember now, oh yeah, but yeah, right of course. And
the other is a movie about the kind of things

(49:03):
that people want to see movies about from Angel Studios,
and people have responded and they're going to movies to
see it. There are so many I agree with the
criticism by the way that we've had so much World
War II content just in general. I'm not saying it's
not great and we shouldn't have had a lot of
World War II content, But there's such a dearth of

(49:24):
really good stuff from the Revolution. Is there even a
movie that takes place around the time of the War
of eighteen twelve? Like, is there a movie you can
think of that comes from that period or that that
conflict at all? I great question.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
I mean you got the pre you know, like the
French and Indian Wars, which is like Lasting the Mohicans,
which a great movie. Got the Patriot, which is somewhat
recent with Mel Gibson around the Revolutionary War. I'll give
you another one talk and I understand because people are
so terrified. Oh my goodness, you might see the Confederate flag.
The Civil War is probably the most consequential four years

(50:01):
in our nation's history. How many good Civil War related
historical movies have ever been made? Glory is probably the best.
That was like nineteen ninety two ish great film Gettysburg
is the Beards are awful, but that was around that
same era.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
They made a great like the production of the music is,
does not you know? I wat after I read Killer Angels,
which is great. I want the Gettysburg production they should
redo it because it just is a little there's like
a little nineties cheese factor from the production. The music
is not as good as it should be or awful.
The beards are really bad.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah, it's like, first of all, you should grow it.
If you're gonna play a Civil War general, grow a
beard would be my first advice.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Like, you could grow the beards. The beards look like
they went into like a high school, like theater class,
and we're like, do we have any beards here?

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Give me a beard? You know, it's not good. It's
so there were some beards of any movie ever. Yes,
there's some problems problems with that. Uh, and then I'm
trying to like other I never saw Cold Mountain.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Wasn't that one of them? Okay?

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Hold yeah, yeah, that's more of like a romance set
in the Civil War than it is like that actual.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
A lot of people will say Gone with the Wind
is a great but that's also thirty Yeah it's been
a while. That was also set in the Civil I've
actually never seen Gone with the Wind, so, you know,
I ever, Oh you know, so wait. There are three movies,
according to Grock, about the War of eighteen twelve come
on what I mean, no one's ever seen them that much.

(51:36):
I can that much, I can tell you.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
But again, I'm gonna just continue to hammer this until
one day it's gonna be made and it's gonna make
a billion dollars and you're all gonna remember that I
was hammering.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Lewis and Clark. Just make the Lewis and Clark Show.
Make the Looise, you know what, man, I like her.
I'm not saying it's not a good idea. I think
a a movie uh like to the shores of Tripoli
where we do the Barber Pirates War would be amazing.
I think people would love the Gwatt tie in as well,
with going to these far off Muslim lands and fighting

(52:07):
a bunch of crazies with their with their scymitars. I'll actually,
I'll actually give you an answer on why we've had
so few history movies and why the ones that we
have had are are World War Two.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
We basically haven't created American heroes since World War Two.
It's a dark take for a Friday, But the Nazis
were clear bad guys, right, clear bad guys, not not
good people, and we were unabashedly the hero in nearly
one hundred years since World War Two? Who is a

(52:41):
great American hero?

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Now?

Speaker 2 (52:43):
They made the Kyle movie, right, the Sniper movie, which
was actually really Niper for sure, but relatively speaking, there
have been very few American hero movies made in a
historical context since World War Two. So I think part
of it is just the villainy of the Nazis is

(53:03):
attractive because you have a clear hero villain character arc
and they haven't been willing to go back and touch
it again. We got a bunch of calls when he
gets calls or talking tacts.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yeah, let's let's do it. Garrett in Ohio, what's up?

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Garrett?

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Garrett going once, going twice, Garrett on hot pause. The
guy's been waiting forever. We finally go to him and
we heard nothing at all. So don't hang up on
Garrett because I told him to tell him that we
were coming. I don't know what happened there, Uh, Jeff
in Utah, what you got for us?

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Yes? Bullet type? No one's talking about bullet type. So
that when that bullet leaves the end of the barrel
of the muzzle, it's traveling at a certain velocity, and there's
a bullet wight and the velocity, but a more critical
factor of whether it's going to leave the body or
not is the bullet type. Because I was telling your screener,

(53:58):
I can shoot a milk jug with a with a
jacketed bullet and it'll just leak. I can hit it
with a hallow point and it'll explode. So I've not
heard I listened to you guys all the time, but
I've not heard anyone address the issue of the bullet
tight because that is that is the number one most

(54:19):
critical factor in If I'm sorry, I didn't mean to
drop in, but I was just going to say. If
you go to a gun store and you ask you
go in, you're buying a rifle, the first thing they'll
ask you is what are you hunting with it? So
if you say I'm hunting elk, they'll say, okay, you
need this. If you say I'm hunting rabbits or whatever,

(54:40):
then it's it's going to be a hole.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
This is this is a very is a very a
very correct observation. Thank you for calling in, and I
just I'll speak this for a second. Everyone knows this,
certainly from the shotgun side of things, because if you're
a bird hunting, you want the spread of many, many pellets.
If you're you know, hunting, a lot of people go slug,
but I think you can go double lot buck uh,

(55:04):
so that it could be a few big uh sort
of a big ball bearings if you will, or one
one heavy slug for that depends where you are. But
certainly with bird you know you don't want to shoot
a pigeon with a with a slug. That's a very
bad idea unless you don't want any pigeon left. So
the same thing is, you know, if you're if you're
deer hunting, though a lot of people I know do

(55:25):
rifle hunting, it depends where you are because the carry
the rifle round will carry a lot further than a
shotgun round. But most hunting rounds are designed, as I understand,
I'm not a deer hunter, so just to be clear,
that's not something I have done. Most rifle rounds are
designed to flatten or mushroom and expand inside the target
to create maximum tissue damage, essentially to create the kind

(55:47):
of immediate impact trauma to kill a deer as quickly
and humanly, relatively speaking, as possible. So that's you actually
don't want the animal to like slowly bleed out. So
if it were to go through clay, through and through
the animal, would you know, if the bullet didn't flatten
and expand you have less tissue damage and it would

(56:08):
be a slow bleedout. If the bullet flattens, which is
what it's designed to do generally in a hunting context
for a big game, then you'll have more tissue damage
on the inside, and sometimes that means the bullet actually
stays inside. Sorry, no, this is very you know, but it.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Gets into the too. We're going to have try to
get the ballistics expert on. I will say they found
the bullet. So the bullet has been entered as evidence
in this case inside of Charlie's body that came from
the gun that was fired from the roof, according to prosecutors.
So the questions that he is asking would be able
to be answered based on the evidence in this case,

(56:46):
Steven n Pa, which you got for us.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
Just real quick, I've been not in for thirty years
and I've taken twice that many deer with a thirty
odd to six use a one hundred and fifty grain luck,
and I have had some run and I have had
some drop. Most of them. There's so much damage that

(57:11):
even when they run, it's just because it's pure adrenaline,
and they make it fifty feet and then they drop.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Thank you. Have you ever found a bullet inside the deer,
by the way, or has it always gone through and
through in your experience?

Speaker 5 (57:25):
No, I've had them hit both ribs on the end
going in and coming out, and I have never had
a bullet still in the deer ever.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
I know it's rare, but you know there are people
who are say that, you know that they have had
that experience before. But all right, thank you sir. What's
up Clay uh No. I was just going to say,
I think Garrett in Ohio is back. He's been waiting forever.
Garrett fire Away.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Hey, thank you very much for taking my call. Sorry
about that little glitch. So you know, when this whole
thing started with spreading, is this ridiculous nonsense about Charlie
Schuk's murder. You know, it hit me that it seems
that there's a part of it. It's like almost to
divide the Conservatives the Republican Party in support of Israel,
to blame Israel. But what I want to ask ask

(58:10):
you guys, if you would, would you give a definition
of of grifting and what it means for a person
to be a grifter?

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Yeah, thanks, I'll do so. Grifter actually comes from the movie, Right,
isn't that? You know, the the original term of a am?
I am? I thinking about this? Right, isn't that?

Speaker 2 (58:33):
I don't know where it comes from. It's probably the
number one accusation that is leveled. I would say of
anybody in the opinion business, the way that I would
define it is someone who says something that they know
to be untrue or do not actually believe themselves, that
is financially beneficial for them to put forward so into

(58:56):
the public comes.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Rock is great, So we can pull up these things quickly.
Originated early nineteen hundreds as American carnival and circus slang,
the variation of the older underword slang grafter. It's tied
to the word graft, the dishonest acquisition of money. About
the way, this is off of AI, so you know,
if it's not true, blame you know, blame AI. Early on,
it was used by carni workers to describe anyone who

(59:18):
ran a swindle or a confidence trick. So in the
context of I think when people talk about, whether it's
media or politics, someone being a grifter, it's just a
person who's willing to vary to opportunistically push lies or
fraud for their own gain or benefit. I think that, right,
would you say, that's a pretty good affair.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
I was saying something that you know to be untrue,
that is financially or that you don't believe yourself, that
is financially beneficial to you. Yeah, And that's the way
that I would describe it. And there's a lot of
that on the internet, candidly, and you can. What I
would say is.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
There's a movie. There is a movie, by the way,
nineteen nineties. The Grifters is a film nor crime drama.
So there was a movie, the Grifters. That's what I
thought it came from. Apparently predates that though, sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Yeah, No, I just think there is a huge financial
incentive for if you say things that are crazy. And
I'm not talking about like, hey, like we had the
fourth UFO release coming out. If you want to talk
about whether you believe in aliens or not, that's not
grifting believing in saying, hey, I think that there are

(01:00:32):
aliens on Earth and one of them is Victor Wimbiama,
and I just did a whole thing on Actually, Victor
Wmbiama was not born in the in France. He's not
a human. He is an alien, and I'm gonna and
I knew it was one hundred percent fake, and yet
there would probably be an audience for that. He's the

(01:00:54):
star basketball player of the San Antonio Spurs for those
who don't know him. And if I knew it to
be as I would one untrue, and I was pretending
that I actually believed it to be true, there would
likely be a huge audience for wim Banyama is an alien.
Wimby's an alien, and everybody would I'd make a lot

(01:01:14):
of money off of it, and it wouldn't be true.
Now that's actually less significant because at least it's so crazy,
it isn't actually necessarily changing the discourse in society. But
there's a lot of value for saying crazy things people
in a social media age. Unfortunately, Buck, and this is
an indictment I think on the larger culture gravitate towards crazy.

(01:01:38):
There is a lot of incentive to be crazy in
our current media ecosystem.

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you are doing fantasy instead of news, you know, news
is gonna sound pretty boring compared to that. What you
can actually prove and what's real is going to pale

(01:02:06):
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