Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jul 15 2026

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton examine comments from border officials touting record ICE arrest numbers and debate whether the administration is meeting its campaign promises on mass deportations. The conversation centers on illegal immigration, border enforcement, sanctuary-city style resistance, deportation policy, law enforcement tactics, and the political implications of immigration as a major issue heading into future elections.

Clay and Buck talk about the future of the American entertainment industry and media landscape. Clay introduces reports that Paramount's proposed acquisition of Warner Bros. is facing legal challenges from a coalition of blue states led by California. The hosts discuss CNN, CBS News, media bias, corporate mergers, and the political influence of large entertainment companies. They focus particularly on speculation that Paramount could potentially relocate significant operations from California to Tennessee, arguing that such a move could have major implications for the future of entertainment, news media, and American culture.

Interview with Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, who joins the program to discuss ongoing transportation challenges and federal infrastructure priorities. A major focus of the interview involves airline travel disruptions, tarmac delays, airport congestion, and passenger frustrations. Duffy explains how weather events, gate availability, airport operations, and air traffic control limitations contribute to lengthy airline delays. The conversation examines airline industry operations, airport management, passenger communication, aviation challenges, and efforts to improve the overall travel experience for Americans.

Buck discusses the growing national problem of squatters occupying private property. Buck discusses a television series focused on helping property owners reclaim homes from squatters and uses it as a launching point for a larger conversation about property rights, landlord protections, housing law, and legal reform. He argues that many state laws have become overly burdensome for homeowners and landlords attempting to remove individuals who illegally occupy properties. The discussion examines how eviction procedures, tenant protections, court delays, and legal expenses can leave property owners facing enormous financial burdens while squatters remain in possession of homes for extended periods. Property ownership rights, housing policy, landlord-tenant disputes, rental property management, real estate law, and squatter reform emerge as key topics during this segment.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay and Buck. I am down
in Atlanta as Buck's beloved English soccer team is prepared
to play against Argentina. I cannot wait for this game.
I am at News Talk Extra one oh six point
three in Atlanta. Thank you to that station for hosting me.

(00:23):
You can watch us on video now in addition to
the six hundred AMFM stations as well as satellite radio
that you are currently able to listen to us on.
Yesterday was the debut of all three hours of the show.
It was imperfect, but it went quite well. Something around
ten thousand of you came and hung out and watched

(00:45):
the debut episode of Clay and Buck video version.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
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Speaker 1 (00:52):
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able to go in and share your thoughts on who's
gonna win the big soccer match coming on later today,
as well as many other of the topics with which
we will be discussing with all of you, a bunch
of different things out there. Serious. We are going to
talk about the border. What should happen when it comes

(01:13):
to ice being able to stop cars. That is a
bit of a controversy. As President Trump has reversed the
rule that came out yesterday that stopping people fleeing in
cars was no longer going to be occurring. Trump said, no,
We're going to be doing that. Joe Biden's got a
new book. Fauci destroyed records and lied. According to Ran Paul,

(01:34):
who is preparing for that interaction, we got continued fallout
on the strait of horror moves and what's going.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
On in Iran.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Trump set down with Fox News as Trey Yankst, who
typically is in the Middle East and Israel, reporting on
things from there. We got some fun daylight savings time
potentially being made permanent. The House voted overwhelmingly to not
change the time anymore. A lot of people would big
thoughts about that. Todd blanche is testifying as he is

(02:03):
preparing to be the next Attorney General. It seems clear
that he is going to be able to be confirmed.
And Sean Duffy, Transportation Secretary, is going to be on
with us at one thirty. But we begin buck with
the controversy coming out of Maine, another shooting involving an
individual they were trying to arrest fleeing in a vehicle. Initially,

(02:24):
Ice came out and said we are no longer going
to be stopping vehicles. And now President Trump when someone
is fleeing, President Trump has said, no, we're not changing
the policy at all. Let's dive in here. Tom Homan
talked about this earlier. We probably should get Tom Homan
on the program again in the near future. We've had
him on quite a lot. He said that we are
seeing record amounts of deportations. I believe this is cut five.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Well, let's change on vehicle stops, lower the rate to
pretation during your.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Guess you know, I'm address that I'm sick, get tired
of reading though how the administration's lossor with the juts
with mastery deportations and do you know June last month,
Ice arrested more amiens than any month in the.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
History of the agency. So you know when people say
Ice is not serious about this job, last month the
most amiens arrested in the history of the agency, more
than last year, more than when you had the FBI
atf DEA, Barbitro, Ice aw other Ice by themselves, where
the two eighty seven g partners had the most arrested
history of the agency.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Buck reports are that Ice was getting up to ten
thousand deportations a day arrest that the process had accelerated.
This story out of Maine. We will see whether it
changes any of the storylines, whether it becomes somewhat akin
to what's going on in Minneapolis. I would say what
is different a little bit about Maine is it is
a high pressure, high intensity Senate campaign that is going

(03:52):
on there where Susan Collins is trying to fight off
whomever the nominee ends up being for the Democrats. But
what did you think about this shift, this counter shift,
the story surrounding whether or not ICE can be able
to stop people who are fleeing in vehicles. Okay, couple
things about the change in tactics from Immigrations and Customs
enforcement here, which is under Mark Wayne Mullin's purview. And

(04:16):
we should have Secretary Mark Wayne on or Secretary Mullen
on to talk. If you say Mark Wayne, everybody knows
you're talking about so that makes it easy. But we
should have him on as soon as we can to
address this because everyone who like me and you, has
been very concerned about the state of illegal immigration into

(04:36):
this country under the Biden administration is now looking at
this saying, Okay, guys, I understand that you're better than Biden,
but that's like being better than the worst ever, so
that's not really that encouraging.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I understand you've secured the border and you and I
told President Trump face to face last June that that
was just incredible and a promise made and a promise Captain.
We were high fiving, if you will, President Trump on
that one in the Oval office. Okay, now let's look
at this though. The problem that we have on the

(05:09):
first end of it is the number is not enough,
meaning ten plus million under Biden, and we're looking at
seven hundred thousand actual removals a year.

Speaker 6 (05:20):
Now.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I understand this year we're only midway through, but last
year it was something like six or seven hundred thousand.
And then they say there are the self deportations, which
I do think it's fair to look at the self
deportations as part of the equation because those are people
who are not supposed to be here who are leaving.
Question about that, though, is, of course, will they come back, right?
I mean, are they planning on staying out of the

(05:42):
country or they just going to wait for a Democrat administration.
But beyond that Trump said very often and repeatedly back
in twenty twenty four when he was running the largest,
the greatest, most beautiful deportation operation in the history of
this country. And I don't think we're quite there yet,
and people are looking looking at this midterm as Okay,

(06:03):
time is starting. The clock is feeling like it's really running.
So that's part one of this, which is I think
they're doing good things and the administration is trying to
keep This isn't a betrayal of the promise or indifference
to it. I think that they set a very high goal.
They haven't gotten there yet, and people are frustrated. And

(06:23):
I think that's very fair, right, if you promise that
something amazing is going to happen, you know, then you
get a B plus. There's going to be some frustration.
And I think on the deportation number, Clay, it's fair
to say we're maybe in B be territory, maybe B minus,
maybe B plus, depends who you want to ask. Okay,

(06:43):
that's one part. The other part, though, and this is
maybe even more immediate, we should absolutely not have law
enforcement operations being changed because of leftist outcry. We saw
this in Minneapolis and that actually led to, in part,
I think the change in leadership. Clay, we cannot allow
street communists to chant that we no longer enforce via

(07:08):
these roadstop operations which are very effective immigration law and
concede and this feels like a concession. So you know
what I mean. There's the numbers and there's the concession part,
and that's not good. Well.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Also, the people who are violating the law are smart,
and I understand some people out there don't necessarily buy
into this, but they will adjust their tactics based on
what they know the law to be. My concern is
if you say, hey, we're no longer going to be
stopping people who are trying to flee in vehicles, that's
actually going to create far more incentive for people to

(07:40):
flee in vehicles, right because you know, hey, if I
get in a car, they can't stop me, right, And
so my concern is that immediately leads to more people
rushing to try to get in vehicles, which actually could
put more ICE agents in danger than would be in
danger if they hadn't said anything at all. It is
interesting I will say that this ends up happening in Maine,

(08:02):
and that before it ended up happening in Minneapolis. It
feels like this story in many ways is designed to
try to take away from the story being that the
Democrat Party is in chaos, Graham Platner, everything else. Suddenly
it's like they waive that memory stick from men in Black,
and the storyline becomes, Oh, we're going to talk about

(08:25):
ice in Maine now, as opposed to talking about how
corrupt and dishonest and dishonorable the overall process of selecting
a Democrat candidate in Maine has been and buck Remember
they don't pick their candidate until the end of July.
This feels like they have upped the amount of angst

(08:46):
and antagonism in their ICE protests. They've now got a shooting.
We'll see what happened with that shooting. But I go
back to what happened in Minneapolis when those two individuals
got shot for communists, that was for people who don't
believe in the rule of law. That was the best
thing that could have happened to them because it turned

(09:07):
the story from deportation to oh, is is killing innocent Americans?
Even though when the videos came out with Renee Good
and then remember that guy Alex Pretty that they were
trying to turn into a hero. He kicked a tail
light out, he was on videos screaming at people, he
was carrying a gun. These people were not psychologically well,
but their deaths I really do believe this. For Democrats

(09:30):
and far left wingers, that was the best gift they
could have given because it changed the narrative course of
the conversation.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
So you look at these two incidents on July seventh
in Houston and on July thirteenth in Maine. One, we'll
start with the Houston incident, Clay, So you had a
fifty two year old Mexican national. He'd lived in the
US for a long time. What happened according to DHS,

(09:57):
and they're going to do a full investigation on this
and and we're still there are more facts and come in.
But agents were conducting and immigration stop and they said
that he this guy allegedly tried to evade them in
the car, rammed an ice vehicle, ignored commands, and tried
to run over an officer, and an agent fired in
self defense. Okay, that's one. In the second incident in Maine,

(10:22):
twenty six year old Columbian man was he was a
food delivery driver during an immigration enforcement operations stop. He
was not the intended target, but they say that he
accelerated his car toward an officer and the agent fired
fearing for himself. In public safety, this is very straightforward

(10:46):
if your car is used, even if you're just panicking.
And this is maybe the part of those people in
understand if you freak out and you hit the accelerator
and there's a cop in front of your car and
they shoot you, it's sad, but it's not the cops fault.
That is a lawful use of for some of the circumstance.
They trained us on this. Even in the CIA, A
car is a weapon when you need it to be

(11:08):
all right, we did a lot of this stuff. It's
very easy to use your car. They've used cars and
terrorist attacks, never mind on one individual officer in a
situation like this, they can be used for mass casualty attacks.
A car can be a weapon, a very effective one.
And so if you you know, hit the etcetera. Now
there's body camera. People were like, oh, but they're lying.
There's body camera footage. We're going to see it. There's

(11:30):
eyewitness testimony, we're going to hear it. All these things
but that we would stop these enforcement operations because of outcry,
not in response to facts that are established, but outcry
from people who don't want any enforcement. Clay, this is
the time that has to be used to do these operations.

(11:53):
We don't have time to waste. So I view the
concession here very negatively. These enforcement The reason they were
doing these stops is they work, and now they're not
doing them, and they can tell. And you know, I'm
like a Tom Holman, big time fan, and he's going
to the numbers. And if Tom says that, I believe
it's true. Still, I think the administration and I think

(12:16):
DHS is making a mistake here by pulling back because
of public pressure and not just going Now, we'll have
Tom on. He knows a lot more about the nuts
and bolts of how these operations function than anybody. Well,
we'll invite him on to talk about this too. But Clay,
this is a critical campaign promise. Yes, sects everything that
Trump has been trying to get done. I will say

(12:38):
a part of me wonders whether part of the miscommunication
here is if they announce, hey, we're stopping, and then
we restart in a week, do they think that the
overall story gets tamped down and gets less attention. In
other words, is that the underlying intent here is not
to represent a long change of policy, but just to

(12:58):
take some heat off in the shore and then come
back to it when people are paying less attention. I
would guess that's probably the goal. The problem is here
now the shift and the shift back has gotten more
attention than if you had just done nothing at all
to change anything, right, Yeah, yeah, no, I think that.
My sense is they're going to have to go back

(13:19):
and mount these operations up again. By the way, you
know we're speaking of operations, Clay. We're blowing up more
stuff in Iran. Yes, blowing up more stuff in Iran.
How is that all going?

Speaker 6 (13:31):
Well?

Speaker 2 (13:32):
We will have a talk about that. I think it's
important that we look at what's really happening there. So
that's coming up as well, no doubt, we'll talk about that.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
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Speaker 3 (15:39):
Last learn and hang with the guys. Clay and Buck
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Speaker 2 (15:45):
Welcome back in Clay and Buck.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
We are rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program.
I'm down at Newstalk Extra one oh six point three
and Atlanta appreciate them hosting me. Buck is up in
New York City. We had a fun day in city yesterday.
Hopefully some good news to come out of the way
that we spent our time, and you may be reading
about that soon, But Buck, I wanted to hit you

(16:08):
with this yesterday. When I landed in Atlanta last night late,
I saw that a story was starting to circulate. This
is me being a media nerd, but I do think
it's an interesting one. So Paramount is trying to buy
Warner Brothers. A lot of you probably haven't been paying
attention to that, but really the battleground now is to
a large extent about CNN. David Ellison, who owns Paramount

(16:32):
and is trying to buy Warner Brothers. Warner Brothers owns HBO,
they owned CNN, they owned a lot of different assets.
They're being sued by eleven I think it's twelve total
Blue states. California is leading the lawsuit. They're saying the
merger can't happen. This is really about what has happened
to CBS News and sixty Minutes, just trying to be
somewhat of a mainstream news organization that isn't far left

(16:56):
wing propaganda. David Ellison wants to do that with CNA too,
So they are twelve states suing to try to stop
the merger. The Trump administration has said merger is fine
to go. Paramount has huge assets, as one does if
you are a movie studio a TV studio in California.

(17:16):
And now Paramount is thinking, because the State of California
is suing them, that they may take their tens of
billions of dollars in yearly spend into the California economy
and potentially move. I am told the state of Tennessee,
my home state, is in the midst of a significant

(17:36):
recruitment that could lead to Paramount leaving California and moving
to Tennessee. And yesterday, maybe we can reach out and
get the governor on to talk about this of Tennessee,
Bill Lee, he tweeted yesterday in response to me, I said,
come to Tennessee, Paaramount. I'd like to have Paramount buck.
We were talking about this off air. Nashville is an

(17:57):
entertainment capital. What have we been talking about on this
program for years now? Maka Lewis and Clark television show
Embrace American History, tell awesome stories, do movies that people
really want to see as opposed to a lot of
this woke slop propaganda that we see regularly being put
out into the marketplace. And so the governor of Tennessee.

(18:21):
After I tweeted the letter, they've been negotiating and hadn't
gone public yet. The governor tweeted, Tennessee is a place
where innovation and creativity thrive. Paramount has played an important
role in shaping American culture, and we'd welcome the opportunity
to see the next chapter of that story unfold in
the volunteer state, Buck, you and I have talked a

(18:44):
lot about how politics is downstream from culture and how
we have to win a lot of culture battles. I
know there's apprehension in the state of Tennessee over a
California company coming to Tennessee, but I have to say
I think Tennessee would change Paramount more than Paramount would
change Tennessee. I think they might well start making different

(19:05):
movies if they were based in the heartland of this country,
as opposed to in New York and LA where most
of these entertainment companies are. What do you think, how
would you see this and do you think alongside of
me that this could be an important cultural.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Move I think it could be fantastic because one of
the things that has been a huge frustration on the
right for well as long as I've been alive is
just the total dominance. Let me think about this, the
dominance that has occurred in our lifetimes, Clay of the
internet and technology sector because of Silicon Valley in the

(19:41):
San Francisco Bay area, and the entertainment capital not just
of America but of the world for movies and TV
shows has been Los Angeles. And that's a force multiplier.
It's not just those are big industries with a lot
of dollars attached to them. They shape perception, they allow
and shape and dictate communication. Uh, these are power centers

(20:05):
that the woke left in California is in the process
of fully destroying and expelling to other places. Uh, it's
gonna take it takes time. It's gonna take a while.
But if you were able to, say, have some successful
major production set up for movies and TV set up

(20:26):
in the Tennessee area, you would be combining the you know,
the capital of country music for America with a growing
movie industry there. Because people still want, people want and
will pay for good content. This is one of the
lies that we have heard. And this is remember when
they the RIAA, the recording industry was like suing twelve

(20:48):
year olds for using napster, you know, suing like a
like a nine year old grandma because her grandkid downloaded
a few Metallica songs or whatever, and they were, yeah,
I do remember that, Yes, that that was a real
thing that you guys got to go back twenty years
you remember this. That was the way that everyone said,
this is not the way people. There's still ways to
monetize music. There's still a lot of listening. You know,

(21:10):
people want content, you just have to maneuver with You
have to give them the content that they want first
and foremost. That's not what has been going on. I
mean Netflix shows. You can see the quality of Netflix
shows over the last ten years has just plummeted. It
went from creating one hit after another incredible stuff. Whether
you love them or not, you could at least respect

(21:31):
the production value. But they've gotten worse. The same thing
with a lot of these Amazon Prime shows. They have
huge budgets, but it's run by the left wing oligarchy,
if you will, of the people that are green lighting
content at these places. If you expand that and you
have or you know, you expand where these things are
made to include Tennessee, I understand that the company doesn't

(21:55):
necessarily align immediately with the state's values, there would be
an influid and there would be a shift as well,
where you have I think many many more people who
could be brought into the creative industry who it's not
even about, like, oh, they're Trump people. They are so
alim on this politically. They just want to tell great
stories and love America and take a pro American point

(22:17):
of view in our content that has been sorely lacking
for a long time now. And and also, you know,
you don't have to deal with the DEEI stuff anymore.
It turns out, right you can make a good movie
about the British royal family without making it a trans
one legged Eskimo as the Queen of England, Like you
can do this well.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
One reason I want to see Young Washington is just
because it's a white guy playing George Washington.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
I was expecting it to be a you know, al
that's almost a bold take right now, isn't it. Yes,
a guy who kind of looks like George Washington somewhat
playing George Washington. Really it should be a boss girl female,
but she's she's also non binary. That's who should play
George Washington.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
I was really kind of holding out hope that George
Washington was going to be played by an Asian androgynous person,
just because I feel like that's what his vibe really was.
But I mean, look, the way you win is by
getting people to recognize that your arguments are better. And
I do think it's easier to win arguments if you're
not immersed in New York City in LA and if

(23:21):
that culture doesn't drape over you. I've got a good
buddy who's very successful in the entertainment industry, and he
pointed out to me several years ago, and I've said
it on the program, but I know a lot of
you out in LA are going to kind of nod
along with this. It used to be Buck, that La,
first of all, was a city that everyone in America
wanted to visit. I didn't go to the state of

(23:43):
California for the first time until I was twenty one.
I think is when I went, I had a roommate
from San Francisco. He didn't introduce me to Polish sausages
like your roommate, Buck, but he was a good guy
and we went out to We went out to San Francisco,
and it was just getting to see the Golden gate Bridge.
Getting to go to Los Angeles was a big deal

(24:04):
first trip. I remember I got interviewed for a job
and I got to go to LA and I went
out to Santa Monica Pier and I got to go
visit LA and see the Hollywood Sign, all those things.
I remember thinking how awesome it was. LA was a
city of hopes and dreams that many people in America
aspired to go to.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
So too was California.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
And it used to be a city that really represented
eccentricity and creative types who had different opinions on a
large variety of issues. And now it's become a monolithic place.
And I was talking with my buddy who's pretty high
up in LA entertainment, and he said, as a result,
the movies are getting worse. Right, you have to have

(24:41):
diversity of thought, which is the only real diversity that matters,
and diversity of opinion to create conflict, which creates something new,
something great, And we haven't seen that in a long time.
And I do think Nashville is becoming a thought capital
inside the state of Tennessee. For a lot of different processes,
Some of which I agree with, some of which I don't.

(25:03):
But based on the country music heartland example, I think
Paramount could thrive in Tennessee, and I applaud the governor
and Stuart McCord, his chief economic advisor, for trying to
get this done. And they say there's real optimism here
that Paramount might just turn their back on California and
say we're done with you guys. I think it would
be a big culture win. I love the whole thing. Look,

(25:25):
I'm not a I like overall that Taylor Sheridan, for example,
just took fate and his future into his own hands,
became his own content creator and has been massively successful
and clearly is trying to make entertainment for the people

(25:45):
that are watching it right. Yeah, not for his buddies
at a cocktail party that he wants to look like
he's you know, doing you know, white guys for kamala
Ad or something.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
He's actually trying to make. Now some of the things,
some of stuff is better than others. I like one
of his movies, some of his shows, the soap opera
for Cowboys. Thing with Yellowstone gets a little crazy in
the last season's disaster put that aside. Though, put that aside.
I respect what he's done. There's a lot more room
for that. People want good content. Yes, remember when we

(26:17):
were all told that if we didn't have Twitter, with
the hand of the left just completely on the scale
all the time, all the time, making sure that what
trends is what they want to trend, suppressing accounts that
they don't like, all this kind of stuff. And they
pretended like it was all gonna be anarchy and there
would be white nationalists marching in the streets, ever the

(26:38):
neo Nazis would take over America. No, it's just not true.
It was all hysteria and lies and everything else. The
belief that somehow people don't want content now because we
don't want a trans one legged Eskimo Queen of England
is a left wing delusion.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yes, if you don't want trans Eskimo one leg the
Queen of England's then paramount should move to Tennessee. And
I would, I would be ecstatic if we could make
this happen. So I think it's a story worth paying
attention to. And I think you have to win cultural
battles ultimately to be able to win political battles. And
I am optimistic that good things could be coming there

(27:16):
based on the insanity of California. Making poor choices has
real results. Buck, you live in Miami. Ken Griffin was
with Citadel in Chicago, got too dangerous, he left, and
now he's evidently pulling out a lot of his assets
in New York and going to Miami.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
I just want to tell you, I actually I think
that this is all a good thing, though, because this
is nature healing, This is the yin and yang, this
is the balance, this is bringing it back. Of Course
it businesses. Of course Tesla left California. Of Course, paramounts
thinking about leaving California. Of Course Ken Griffin left or
is in the process of leaving a lot of the

(27:54):
investment that he would put in New York, in mom
Donnie's New York into Florida. That's the way this is.
This's actually supposed to work too. This is the thing.
It's a good thing, and we should all welcome this because, Okay,
you want to betray the principles of capitalism, free markets
and rewarding winners and risk takers for doing amazing things,

(28:15):
you know, you can either be on board with those
principles and benefit from it, or you can try to
tear trash it, tear it all down because of you know, envy, resentment,
and laziness by other people, and see what happens.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
There's a stat yesterday, Buck, I was reading as I
was flying down, reading the New York Post print copy,
as I always like to get my print copy. Twelve
billion dollars in twenty twenty two, according to the New
York Post, left New York for other states that would
have been in their tax revenue. And they say in
one study, I think it was seven billion of those
dollars per year is now in Palm Beach County by itself,

(28:50):
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The amount of money that is going into Florida tax
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Speaker 2 (30:24):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We're joined
now by Secretary of Transportation Duffy Secretary Duffy, appreciate you
coming to hang out with us here on Clay and Buck.

Speaker 6 (30:35):
It is great to be with you. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Man appreciate you. So this was we want to check
in with you. Regardless, we have a number of topics
that we are going to cover with you today. But
having just experienced this myself and having had a plane
full of people who were, let's just say, at their
wits ends, I wanted to get the best possible explanation
for what is going on with air travel these days,

(31:00):
and for anybody who's wondering why, I think this is
an imminent question. The number of Secretary Duffy for extreme
delays on tarmacs have been getting worse, at least according
to what's publicly available data over the last couple of years.
There's I know a lot of reasons for this, but
when something in the airline industry is getting worse, and

(31:21):
especially when there's not some Democrat communist in charge in
the White House, people ask questions like, hold on a second,
why isn't this getting better, What's going on with the
delays and specifically tarmac delays, what's being done to address it,
and why is it that this feels like it's an
area that is so stubborn to resolve.

Speaker 8 (31:42):
Well, so, first off, and we get flights that when
they're around weather, which I think was you.

Speaker 6 (31:48):
Know, Bucks flight.

Speaker 8 (31:51):
What happens is you have ground stop, and when you
have a ground stop, you have airplanes.

Speaker 6 (31:57):
That are still at the gate.

Speaker 8 (31:58):
They're supposed to take off with that half an hour
an hour before, well they don't because they can't take
off and that's the gate that you're supposed to go to.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
So you wait in the tarmac until they get cleared
for takeoff. And that is an issue of weather.

Speaker 8 (32:13):
And you know, sometimes here's what I think the problem is.
You uhould have pilots on airplanes say hey, everybody, this
is what's going on. There's a ground stop or gates
not open. You might look out your left hand side
of the window and U see open gates. Those are
not our gates. They're not our employees, they're not our equipment.
We can't go into those gates. You might see them,

(32:34):
but we can't go there. We're waiting for our gates
to open. I think it's a communication problem. First off,
so people know what's happening.

Speaker 6 (32:42):
But when you say that that things.

Speaker 8 (32:44):
So the numbers have gone up from twenty twenty four
to twenty twenty five. There's more tarmac delays.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Extreme just to be cleared like extremely. These are delays
that are going for hours. This is not like a
five minute delay, go.

Speaker 6 (32:57):
Ahead, right, sure.

Speaker 8 (33:00):
And the reason that's happened is uh number one there
last year there we had a significant problem for for
delays and one.

Speaker 6 (33:10):
Event in New York City where they got into the rain.

Speaker 8 (33:12):
We had sixty plus planes that were that were that
had a long delay on the tarmac. But you can't
forget we had the longest government shut down in American history,
led by Democrats, and you guys covered this on your show.
We had air traffic controllers that weren't coming to work,
air traffic controllers that were taken another jobs, and that

(33:35):
created significant gridlock during that time frame. That made the
numbers go up. So here's let let's let's level set this.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
What's happening.

Speaker 8 (33:43):
You have weather, you have mechanical issues with airplanes. That's
a majority of the delays that you'll see and significant delays.
A portion of it though, is air traffic control, right,
that's what I have controller.

Speaker 6 (33:57):
I can't control the weather. You guys know that I
can't go.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
But the weather, we're also Secretary Duffy hasn't gotten worse
in the last two years. Like that's not a thing.
So we understand. Everyone understands that they's thunder and lightning.
The plane can't take off.

Speaker 6 (34:07):
Now listen, if you look at it, I look at.

Speaker 8 (34:09):
The numbers just like you did. So I looked at
why did the numbers go up? And we had a
couple of incidents in twenty twenty five that caused the
numbers to pop, and then we had a significant cutdown.
So I'm not an apology an apologist for delays.

Speaker 6 (34:24):
They're horrible.

Speaker 8 (34:25):
I'm doing all I can to make the system better.
So let's talk about that. I inherited a system that
that we talked about a lot.

Speaker 6 (34:33):
It's old, it's antiquated.

Speaker 8 (34:35):
No one has done anything for twenty years, twenty five
years to fix it. So I got twelve and a
half billion dollars from Congress. We're putting in new fiber
lines replacing copper.

Speaker 6 (34:48):
We're sixty percent done with that. We're going to go
from analog to digital.

Speaker 8 (34:51):
We have nineteen seventies radios where static keys. We're gonna
put in brand new radio radio, CRISP communication, new radar,
new technology in the tower. So that's all the infrastructure
of what the controllers used. But that doesn't really change.

Speaker 6 (35:10):
It's a little bit changes, but doesn't.

Speaker 8 (35:11):
Fully change the experience of the traveler. I need to
drive efficiency. How do I make the airspace operate better?
How can I navigate? Have airplanes navigate storms better? So
you don't see a two hour delay on a tarmac?

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Right, how can we have just just and again I'm
not trying to rep you, Secretary of just. People understand
I just experienced a two hour delay with one hundred
and eighty other people after landing. So it's not like
we couldn't take off. It was no, we're just gonna
sit here. We're gonna sit here for two hours after
three hour flight. Because then so that brings me to
American Airlines, which is the flight that I was on.
I have been told by people who would know has

(35:48):
made a decision for cost cutting reasons to run on
bare bones skeleton crew in terms of rampers, in terms
of basically the ground crew when you land, the idea
being we're just going to pass the delay, the frustration
on to passengers. But that keeps our costs down day
to day. So deal with it as long as we
have you out before three hours. If you've landed, too

(36:08):
bad for you, Is that true?

Speaker 6 (36:11):
Well, I don't have that sort of like you have.
But I don't think.

Speaker 8 (36:16):
Airlines are in the business of kind of pissed off passengers.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
I don't know an airline.

Speaker 6 (36:21):
Okay, go ahead, but I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna talk
about your plane. So if you have a ground stop,
you were allowed to land, but at your gate, there's
still a plane that was.

Speaker 8 (36:31):
Supposed to leave forty five minutes before you got there.
It's still at the gate because it can't take off.
You don't have a gate to go to, so where
are you going to go?

Speaker 6 (36:41):
Right? That's why you.

Speaker 8 (36:42):
Said an apartmac Your gate was not available. There was
a plane in it because it couldn't take off because
of the weather in the northeast.

Speaker 6 (36:49):
That's what happened to you. And then you look at
your window and you saw open gates.

Speaker 8 (36:54):
You were flying on an American and you were being
Delta gate, right, So you don't.

Speaker 6 (36:58):
Have American employees at Delta gates. You don't have American
equipment at.

Speaker 8 (37:02):
The Delta gates, and we don't because of safety.

Speaker 6 (37:04):
And they have different equipment.

Speaker 8 (37:06):
I don't have Delta employees operate equipment that they don't
know for an American airplane.

Speaker 6 (37:12):
Like we don't do that. So that was your situation.

Speaker 8 (37:17):
Fully looked into it now, I think the pilots could
have expressed that to you.

Speaker 6 (37:22):
You see gates.

Speaker 8 (37:24):
Either Delta gates, if we can't go there, we have
airplanes in our gate that we're supposed to go to
they can't leave because of the ground stop. That might
make you feel better about what's that actually happening.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Secretary Duffy, in the area.

Speaker 6 (37:38):
It was it was it was. It was not a
situation where there wasn't enough staff. It was weather confirmed by.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
The FA and the other airlines on the day of
your place, Secretary Duffy. One of the things that's super
frustrating to a lot of people is your predecessor, Mayor Pete.
Thanks for coming on with us. Your predecessor, Mayor Pete
focused on DEI when it came to hires, and oftentimes
that is really detrimental to the overall environment.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I think for.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Most people, when you get on a plane, the number
one thing you care about is can the pilot land
the plane safely? Not what is the race or gender
or sexual orientation of a pilot. And certainly when it
comes to air traffic control, there's even been reports that
one of the issues was the air traffic controllers were
over indexing for white men. That's some of the reports
that I've seen. What does the data reflect that you

(38:31):
have been able to uncover since then? Was that actually occurring?
And what can be done? And what have you done
to potentially make that better?

Speaker 6 (38:39):
So this actually is not This wasn't mayor Peet.

Speaker 8 (38:42):
This was actually a program implemented under the Obama administration.
They thought that there was too many white men as
air traffic controllers.

Speaker 6 (38:52):
They wanted to divertify air traffic and frollers, and so
they tried.

Speaker 8 (38:56):
To bring in people that were non white men, and
they successfully brought people into the academy when they did that,
but the rules of the academy didn't change on who
can graduate and who can't. And even though they brought
in more diversity hires when they did that, we had

(39:17):
some of the lowest throughputs of the academy. They didn't
task so we didn't get the controllers, you know, get
into the school. So you still have to go through
the school, and you still have to pass the task.
You still have to get certified in the airspace. And
so they weren't able to get into towers through the
DEI program, but the effort was made. And so what

(39:40):
we do is we look for the best and the brightest.
I don't care your sex, your raise, your preference, we
don't care. What we want is the best air traffic controllers.
Which is why this this year we put out a
request for gamers. We had twelve thousand applications in twelve hours,
eight thousand bucks qualified. We have more throughput in the
the academy for air traffic controlers and we've had in

(40:02):
six years. The best controllers are the oldest controllers. Instead
of having them retire, I've offered them a twenty percent
upfront tack bonus to stay on and keep working because
we do have a shortage. But yeah, I have four
thousand in the pipeline right now.

Speaker 6 (40:17):
For air traffic controllers.

Speaker 8 (40:18):
We have eleven thousand, again, the most we've had in
sixty years. We're super charging our controllers come into the system.
But I guess to both of you. You haven't seen
anybody focus more or do more in aviation in thirty years.
This modernization is it's a huge effort. It's a I

(40:40):
think it's one of the most significant economic investments that
the country is making. And we're doing it under budget
and we are on time now.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
The software part of it. The Congress didn't give me
the money for software.

Speaker 8 (40:51):
I need money to finish the software build because we've
saved money. We're doing it even without Congress.

Speaker 6 (40:58):
Giving us the cash.

Speaker 8 (40:59):
But that is the you want efficiency and safety in
the airspace and using think about think about Windows ninety five.
Who would use Windows ninety five today when you have
all the tools and technology that you have today, we're
using a version of air traffic control that would be
like Windows ninety five. You don't have the benefit of
all the technological.

Speaker 6 (41:18):
Advancement that we've been over thirty years.

Speaker 8 (41:21):
We want to give that to air traffic controllers and
deploy that in the airspace, which is going to bring
way more efficiency, which means there's way.

Speaker 6 (41:27):
More to lace.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
I know.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I know you have nine kids that you're responsible for
in addition for all travel across the country. One of
your son in laws. I believe is endorsed by President
Trump to be in Congress. You served in Congress before
you get to brag on the kids and the in laws,
probably not as much as you would like. Tell us
about your son in law, his campaign and what you

(41:51):
think he could bring to bear when it comes to
adding some more talent to Capitol Hill.

Speaker 8 (41:56):
So his name is Mike Welfon though he is a remarkable,
hard work being smart young man, twenty six years old.
One of these kids that got involved in politics once
he thought Charlick Crook's murder. He was, you know, a
huge fan, had met Parley, and you've seen this younger
generation who are inspired by him getting involved in politics.

Speaker 6 (42:17):
And so, if you look at the the left has
done well.

Speaker 8 (42:19):
The youth movement, the socialist youth movement in America is
a foot. The Democrats Socialist of America are expanding and growing.
If you want to blunt that with young people, old
people are.

Speaker 6 (42:33):
Not effective in delivering that method. You need young people in.

Speaker 8 (42:38):
Positions of leadership to deliver the methods of free enterprise
and conservative values to young people. So and again President
Trump has met him, loved him, endorsed him. This kid's
a he's he's a fighter, he's a math major, smart
young man. And we come from a pretty big district
in northern Wisconsin. I think a twenty all are part

(43:02):
of twenty six counties, born and raised here and loved
the place hunt fiftes and will represent.

Speaker 6 (43:08):
The people of this district really well.

Speaker 8 (43:09):
So but you know all races, they're tough, and he's
he's working his tailoff. Nothing is given to anybody sevent
days a week, twelve hours a day, which is what
you have to do.

Speaker 6 (43:20):
If you want to represent people.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Secretary Duffie Transtoration. Secretary Duffie of this now we just
have that a minute store. So I want to jump
in real quick with tell us about because this is
another positive initief. You guys are working on the build grants.
What are they and what are they doing for everybody?

Speaker 8 (43:35):
So well, we changed from the last administration. The last
administration didn't call the build grants build grants.

Speaker 6 (43:41):
They called them raise grants, where they.

Speaker 8 (43:44):
Wanted to focus on diversity, equity and inclusion. And so
we now have gone back to what it's a build grant.
We're twillion dollars in need in American infrastructure, roads and bridges.

Speaker 6 (43:57):
The last administration took twenty percent of this grant two
hundred million.

Speaker 8 (44:01):
Dollars, and instead of building roads and bridges, they built
bike lanes.

Speaker 6 (44:06):
Now again, love bikes, but when you don't have enough
roads and bridges, we should not be building bike.

Speaker 8 (44:11):
Lanes, and especially from the federal government. If your community
wants to bike lane, do it.

Speaker 6 (44:16):
We've taken out the bike.

Speaker 8 (44:17):
Lanes and we're going back to core infrastructure, the projects
that Americans ride on, drive.

Speaker 6 (44:23):
On every single day.

Speaker 8 (44:25):
But we're getting back to common sense policies that makes
this country active work.

Speaker 6 (44:31):
As opposed to the crazy ideas of the leftists that
ran the last administration.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Transportation Secretary Duffy, thank you so much for explaining what's
going on today to everybody. Appreciate you being here and
good luck.

Speaker 6 (44:44):
Thanks Ben.

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Speaker 2 (45:58):
Power three of Clay and Buck. So off right now
for this hour just Buck. Clay is, as you know,
on the way to the fancy soccer game called football
in many parts of the world, where my jolly English
team is squaring off against Argentina. That's where the tango

(46:18):
is from. Right, Tango is Argentina, Samba is Brazil, and
tango is Argentina. For the dances, right that sounds right whatever,
close enough. I'm not good at either of those. But yes,
there's a game that will be going on right after
the show, so you can listen to this whole hour,
and then you can if you choose to turn on
the semi finals of the World Cup. I hope England
brings home the trophy and we shall see, and I

(46:40):
will be somewhere, probably with my family here in New
York doing English soccer chants, although I'm worried those Argentinians.
They're a crafty bunch on the field. So he'll be
at that game. We have a couple things I want
to talk to about this hour. First of all, I
want to open the lines. We just had the Secretary
Transportation Duffy on and he's a good man for giving

(47:01):
us his time to show up. And I have met
the Secretary previously when he was a congressman, and I
like him. That said, I am entirely unsatisfied with what
is going on with the airlines right now. There are
for you know what, you can take my thoughts and
opinions on these things. There's also just the facts and
the figures, which I think is a good place to go.

(47:22):
I don't know how many of you fly frequently? I
fly much more than I would like to, So this
is something that comes up. But for example, if you
ask are Airlines, this is on GROC cutting ground crews
as a cost cutting measure, and is that creating an
increase in tarmac delays? Tarmac delays over the last couple
of years are up over one hundred percent. Everybody, When

(47:42):
I say delays, I mean long delays, hours over three
So the delays are skyrocketing. That's happening.

Speaker 8 (47:49):
Now.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
We can say it's COVID and that's fine. We could
say it's staffing issues from COVID and Biden being a moron,
and that's fine. We're two years into Trump. A lot
of things are being fixed. Let's fix this. Soh three
hour plus domestic delays have risen significantly, and there's also
now the reality of the staffing on the grounds. I

(48:11):
asked that question of ROC, it said this is the
direct response. Okay, when you ask the question, are they
saving margin? As in, are they saving dollars by making
you the passenger?

Speaker 6 (48:26):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Wait, wait, wait, I'm not talking about weather. No one
thinks you should go fly in a thunderstorm. I get it,
but have they decided that they're going to increase their
margin by making you wait up to that three hour
mark when the fines actually kick in the response on GROC. Yes,
there are ongoing crew staffing challenges in aviation. Some of

(48:47):
it is tied to post pandemic recovery and cost pressure.
And these are creating delays, including the tarmac delays you're
talking about. So, yeah, they have cut staff or they
have insufficient staff for planes that land so that you
can get off the plane. And I'll tell you this
for people who don't like the rule, the rule went

(49:07):
into effect in twenty ten. The rule went into effect
under the Obama administration. For what it's worth, and you
say I don't like rules, buck Well, First of all,
the airline's been built out by the taxpayer twice in
the last twenty four years or so twenty five years,
two bailouts, one during COVID, one after nine to eleven.
The airlines are also among the most heavily regulated industries

(49:29):
in the entire country right now. Now you can say
that's bad and we should have lessed regulation, and that's fine,
and I think there's certainly an argument for that. But
regulations that prevent you from being held captive on a
plane for ten hours at a time. I think that's
probably a good thing that used to happen to people.
People would be on a hot tarmac in Phoenix and
they would have to wait for eight hours, unable to exit.

(49:52):
You're on the ground eight hours, can't go anywhere because
of costs, because well, they don't want to have to
refund your ticket. The don't want to have to rebuk
you know, tough for you, right, So they passed the
three hour rule. But more to the point, on time departures, cancelations,
long Ptarmact, delays, all of it is up over the
last two years, all of it and substantially up. It's

(50:16):
not the weather, and I think that some of the
leadership of the airlines has a big part in this,
which should be looked at. But for those of you
who have experienced this, a lot of people need to
be on time and flying places for work and have
to deal with things. Why is it getting work. I'm
not saying, oh, but what about a thunderstorm. Yeah, of course,
no one's saying we're gonna have perfect aviation. But it's

(50:38):
gotten a lot worse in the last two years and
that's the part of this that I find unacceptable. That's
the part of this that and the data speaks to
that on time departures down, cancelations up, ground tarmac stuff up.
If we need a lot better and the Secretary Duffy
was talking about this, we need better air traffic control. Okay,
that needs to be an imminent priority. I mean this
is important because this can't just be done by the

(51:00):
private sector. Unfortunately, well, for better or for worse, probably
for worse, the government is deeply involved in the aviation industry,
so it has to be something of a government fix.
It has to be a government option. So that's I
want to take your calls on this and hear from
especially any of you if you work on a ground crew,
if you're a former pilot, you want to weigh in
on this stuff. Or you have a horror story. You

(51:21):
know why my thing went viral? People are like, oh,
it's because you had you know how many flights I've
had canceled delayed over lest your tons. There's something different
about landing and being and landing in calm weather, by
the way, and being told, yeah, you're just gonna sit
here for two hours. We don't have a gate for you.
There are gates, but not a gate for you. How
different is the technology really? How about take one of
those little rampy things that can go along the side

(51:41):
of the plane and let us get off there.

Speaker 6 (51:45):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Uh it's a crazy idea. We got elon trying to
get us to Mars, but we can't figure out a
way to be able to get two hundred people off
a plane that's already landed on the ground. It's unacceptable.
It's unacceptable. And you know they send out somebody because
my thing went viral on x and that's why, you know,
they send out somebody from the airline to be like,
I'm sorry about your frustration. So I'm like, I don't
want sorry, You're not sorry, you didn't do anything. I'm

(52:08):
not a jerk. I'm not gonna yell at you. I'm
not mad at the airline attendance. I'm not mad at
the pilot. Let's fix the system. Let's make the system better.
That's my only It's not about being mad. It's not
about being somebody you know who's gonna like yell at people.
I don't do that, of course, because also when someone
could video me and I look like a jerk. That's
not the only reason I don't do it, but that
would be one reason. I want this to get better.

(52:30):
And if anyone who says it can't get better, well
why has it gotten a whole lot worse in two years.
If it's staffing, if it's funding, if it's training, if
it's whatever, then this needs to be absolutely prioritized across
the board. And I mean also, we got members of Congress,
they got plenty of say on this. Ted Cruz on
the Transportation Committee for the United States Senate. Let's have
some of the airline CEOs explain, why is this getting worse.

(52:51):
Don't tell me it's because there have been so many
more thunderstorms in the last two years. That's not true.
It is getting worse. A lot of people fly, it's
a huge industry.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
It matters.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Let's make this better. So that's my little say on that. Uh,
let's go to something else that just crossed my radar,
which I thought was so interesting as well. On the
on the let's fix things side of the equation, I
stumbled across. I don't usually watch standard television so much
so that when I'm in a hotel room, we have

(53:23):
I have to like remember again how to use the
guide and everything else, because I just have a smart
TV at home with some streaming services. Uh, and that's it.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
I know.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
We're everything's internet based. I don't have cable, so I'm
going through and I stumble upon this A and E
show called Squatters. Have you guys seen this? I love
this show. This show is amazing and I've really done
a lot of research into it because I I have

(53:55):
not experienced this, but I have close friends who have
where and it's usually the same people go oh, it's
but the fact cat landlords. Those people are morons. They
don't know anything. It's usually someone with like an elderly
family member and they pass and then you know, during
the the sort of post period of figuring out everything,

(54:17):
there's someone who just knows and they move in. Someone
from the neighborhood, some transient or takes it, or it's
somebody has an investment property that they're hoping is going
to be part of their nest egg for retirement. They
have one home that they want to rent out and
they're hoping that that they'll build the equity and all
these other things. And then some guy or gal, because

(54:38):
by the way. This is one of those crimes where
it actually is you know, you're talking about shootings, it's
like ninety five percent guys squatting. You get a fair
amount of women that do this too. It's not is
a This is a both sides of the gender spectrum issue.
The laws in so many states about squatting are insane,

(54:59):
and it is so unfair. It is great, and I'll
give you some examples. And this is why the show
I think is caught on so much. This is the
first A and E show I've watched probably since the one.
What's the one where they're really cold with the crabs
and you know they're they're they're they're the cold. They're great. Yes,
Dave Deadly is catch deadle Ist, Catch thank you? Yeah,
the one with the Alaska guys are like, you know,

(55:20):
I'm gonna make eighty grand in three weeks as long
as I don't lose a hand pulling these crabs out
of the freezing cold water. Like that's That show was
was cool. But this A and E show, it has
this guy I'm not forgetting his name, but he's like this,
he's the squatter hunter and and he has this thing
where he's realized if you have a lawful lease, how

(55:43):
can a squatter Because the problem is the squatter has
all these protections built in to stop landlords from being
able to evict you. In California and in New York,
it's those are the two worst states for this, no surprise,
but there are a lot of states where this is
the case.

Speaker 6 (55:57):
It is so.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Expensive and time consuming to get rid of somebody who
is who is not paying rent and who has no
lawful right to be on your property that you end
up having to pay them off to leave. This happened
to a friend of mine. He bought a home wasn't
his primary residence. He was going to renovate it and
then rent it out or sell it. But he bought

(56:20):
a home in Washington, d c. Which is you can imagine,
is pretty much as bad as New York on this stuff.
The guy broke in Okay, never had lawful acts of
the place, breaking and entering. But they know the rules.
These squatters know the rules. It was a nice it
was a nice home, and it was under rento, but
it was a nice place. Got utilities set up in

(56:41):
his name. It took a year to get rid of him.
A year of court and legal stuff. You can imagine
what those expenses were. And in the end he had
to give him a forty thousand dollars check to leave
no recoup of rents, no penalty for the squatter and
by this their p people who have systematically done this.

(57:03):
It's because think about that. You get to live rent
free and you might even get a payoff at the end,
and all you have is some person like, hey, like
my life savings went into this, and like, now I
can't pay my bills. Haha, tough for you. That's what
ends up happening. So it is, And I know, Tons,
I'm sure some of you have stories like this. I
know Tons, I know tons of people who have dealt

(57:28):
with this or know somebody who has dealt with this
or so this guy what he does the squatter Hunter
is he shows up and he says, look, I have
a lease. So now he's essentially the roommate from hell.
Now he's in a position where he is gonna Flash Shelton.
Now that is a cooler name than Buck Sexton. Flash Shelton.

(57:51):
That's legit. By the way, can we invite him on that?
I would love to have him on the show. Can
we invite him on the show. You know, I know
we don't really do a lot of like more pop
culture stuff here, but I would love to talk to
this guy because especially what people saw during COVID. There
were people who owned an investment property during COVID who
went bank basically like ran out of money, you know,
went bankrupt or close to bankrupt while somebody was squatting

(58:14):
in their property and used all these sort of COVID
exceptions into as if that had anything to do with anything.
You can't leave because you might, you can't move because
you might get a cold. The whole thing was absurd.
And remember the Supreme Court had to overturn the BID
administration on just saying yeah, you can't. You can't evict
anybody at all during COVID. I mean, though, that thing
was nuts. States are beginning to address this more aggressively

(58:39):
and they need to, and they're changing, Like Florida just
got better on this. Now you can call the sheriff
because this has gotten completely out of control, and it's
just an injustice. It's an injustice enabled by statute, it's
an injustice enabled by representatives depending on what.

Speaker 8 (58:59):
Now.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
I know it's not every state, Some of you in
Oklahoma are probably like, you know, they got like thirty
minutes to get out of my property. I mean, it's
very different depending on where you are. But in a
lot of these states it is completely wrong what happens.
And it's because of idiot politicians who want to seem
like they're tenant friendly when in reality they have just
enabled this whole class of absolute drifters. And then of

(59:22):
course these costs are pass on to people, and the
legal costs and everything. It's madness. So if you have
any stories about that too, by the way, but I
can say the show with this Flash Shelton guy, it's
great because he does what I would do. He's like, Okay,
I'm now your roommate. You know what, let's blast some
death metal. Let's have the cops come and you tell
them that I meaning Flash have the lease. You don't,

(59:45):
and you want me to go because my music is
too loud. Cops aren't going to do anything about that.
Good luck. You've got a roommate problem now. And guess
what the squad. I looked this up because I was like,
this has to be entirely staged, this has to be Now.
I think it's pretty real. Actually, because I look up
the statute, I know that the squatter problem is entirely real,
and then his his reaction to it. There's no there's

(01:00:07):
no way the the person who is squatting could try
to take the new roommate from hell to court. But
guess what, now they're in the court process too, So
if they change the locks or they do anything now,
they're gonna be on the wrong side of the law
very quickly, and Face Reel finds it. So anyways, I
love that I've watched like FI. I don't watch anything.

(01:00:30):
I watched like five episodes of this in a row
and A and E last night. I thought it was
a great show. We'll talk either airlines or squatting. How
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