Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jul 16 2026

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton discuss national policy and immigration enforcement, one of the dominant themes of Hour 1. Clay and Buck examined reports that ICE had briefly restricted certain traffic-stop enforcement tactics following recent confrontations involving illegal immigrants and federal agents. The hosts argued that such restrictions would undermine deportation efforts and create incentives for suspects to evade law enforcement. They praised President Donald Trump's decision to restore traffic-stop authority for immigration enforcement operations and discussed broader border security, deportation policy, illegal immigration, sanctuary politics, and growing tensions between federal immigration authorities and Democratic elected officials. The hosts also highlighted remarks from Border Czar Tom Homan, who warned that anti-ICE rhetoric could contribute to additional violence against federal agents.

Tomi Lahren joins the program to discuss the growing political divide over masculinity, military readiness, and the Department of Defense's new testosterone screening initiative for service members. Lahren argued that Democrats continue to struggle connecting with male voters and discussed broader debates surrounding masculinity, cultural values, and political messaging. The discussion tied into ongoing conversations about military preparedness, physical fitness, and the role of strength and performance standards within the armed forces.

Clay and Buck talk about White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt's return to the briefing room following maternity leave and her preview of President Donald Trump's highly anticipated primetime address. Clay and Buck analyzed Leavitt's comments suggesting the president would present significant evidence related to election security concerns and alleged foreign influence in previous elections. Both hosts argued that regardless of the evidence presented, major legacy media organizations would continue to dismiss or minimize Trump's claims due to longstanding opposition to the president. The discussion centered on media bias, election security, voter confidence, and the ongoing national debate surrounding election integrity reforms.

A lengthy discussion examined the strategic dilemma facing the Trump administration regarding Iran. The hosts considered the effectiveness of sanctions, oil export restrictions, and military operations aimed at weakening the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). They debated whether military pressure alone can force regime change, how Iranian leadership calculates long-term risks differently than Western governments, and the limits of relying on internal uprisings to alter political outcomes. The conversation also touched on the role of Kurdish populations, the possibility of regional instability, and the geopolitical consequences of prolonged military confrontation in the Middle East.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Thursday edition of The Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. Congrats to you Argentina fans out there.
Very sad day for those of us who were on
the Jolly Old England train. Very sad for us. They
were defeated right after the show yesterday, and so I

(00:23):
think there'll be a lot less World Cup talk on
the show because I no longer am going to be
in a position where I can say that I have
picked an amazing team to win the whole thing. So
we can just forget all about my prediction, which was Clay,
you were at the game.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
I was at the game, your boys, Jolly old England.
That's one of the weakest, most cowardly conclusions to a
game that I have seen in a very very long
time across all sports England for those of you who
didn't watch, and it was an amazing game. England got a
one to zero lead and basically went into uh like

(01:03):
a fetal position and just tried to protect that lead.
They're playing against the greatest soccer player of all time
and they just they had what and probably the best offense,
the best offense of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
This would be to put it in football terms for everybody,
this would be you're up one touchdown, not five touchdown.
You're up one touchdown, and for the second half of
the entire football game, You're like, I have this amazing idea.
Let's just run a prevent defense the entire time and
not try to score ourselves. We're gonna run to them
every on every play, and we're gonna run prevent on defense.

(01:42):
Though it was clay the fact that coach makes eight
million dollars a year, it was the single most. It
was the worst malpractice from a coaching perspective in sports
I've ever seen. But a lot of you don't care.
So we're not gonna spend much time on this today.
We will just say the World Cup is pretty much
over as far as I'm concerned. Spain's playing Argentina Iron

(02:02):
a rock war. For me, I wish they could both lose.
And there you go.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I I it was an amazing scene, great event. Atlanta
has done a fantastic job. I do think President Trump's
going to be interviewed before the World Cup for the
conclusion on Sunday, and I do think you have to
give a tremendous amount of credit to Andrew Giuliani, who
we've had on this program quite a lot. There are
two games left. They play a third place game, which

(02:29):
is like the.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
That's absurd, the saddest game they should put us, They
should put us in there, just for the lols.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
And but the championship, the game in New York is
going to be awesome. And I do think this summer
we have used soccer to establish American exceptionalism in the
eyes of many people around the world. Everybody has come
and visited. It has been very safe that we're on
track to have the greatest attendance, and the television viewership

(03:00):
for those who haven't been able to go to a game,
has been outstanding. So all that is good. But Bucks
beloved England has gone down. It was, like I said,
the Battle of Yorktown in many ways for the for
the British boys.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, it turns out well, it turns out refusing to
fight back is not a brilliant strategy when you were
in a fight, so I could not do you'll appreciate
this historical analogy I have Heere's Morgan is in hiding.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I think as one of the foremost English soccer fans
on the planet, I texted, tweeted him that basically the
second half for England was like Dunkirk if no one
had come to rescue the British Army.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Which I think is a pretty good historical analogy. Yeah, yeah,
now that that is. It was rough. Okay. I know
some of you, you're gonna be so happy because we're done.
I don't care about the World Cup now anymore. A
lot of you didn't care the whole time. There you go.
I was just going to do a victory dance if
England won the whole thing, because that would have been
an incredible prediction that I would have made from the
very start of the tournament. On the least, they ripped
my heart out. I'm very sad. Let's talk about America, Okay,

(04:05):
Let's dive into what we got going on here. First
of all, I love this new policy in progress from
the DoD. It's gonna be the TRTDD testosterone replacement.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
We were texting about this. This is incredible.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Secretary of Warhegsath who I'm gonna tell you, when I
met Pete fifteen years ago, there was zero chance he
could bench three hundred and fifteen pounds, just gonna tell you.
This zero chick e bench fifteen years ago. I mean
I would have get I would have bet money that
I could have bench more than him fifteen Okay ago,
So that's you tell you something. So he's benching three
fifteen now he is, I can tell you a fan

(04:46):
of hormone replacement therapy. All right, that's very obvious. And
those who have gone down this pathway have an understanding
of this. It is. Well, we'll be joined. Do we
have Rut guys with us on this one? Ah, he's
on vac. I think he's on he's actually literally on
safari right now. I think he's he's chasing lions, hopefully

(05:09):
not actually wrestling them with his bare hands, although with
Rutt you never know, but he is. He is overseas.
The point here being guys, they're they're looking at doing
a testosterone check as part of the annual medical eval
for men in the military, and they're going to change
the approach to HRT. We will talk more about that later.

(05:30):
I absolutely love this though as an idea, it makes
a lot of sense. It's not a mandate for anybody,
and if your testosterone is healthy, there's no one's going
No doctor is going to say, you know, oh, you're
thirty years old, you're twenty five years old, your testosterone
level is seven fifty or eight hundred nanograms a deca leader.
I think that's what the you know NGL. Yeah, no

(05:53):
one's gonna say, oh my gosh, we need to start
doing more. But if you're a guy in the military
and you're forty or forty five and you want to
be operating at your best, makes a lot of sense. Okay,
there is that part of it. But Clay one thing
yesterday I talked a bit about first, so do you
hear the discussion on the squatting I got a lot
of response on that one, the squatting show.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Well, I saw that you were tweeting about this. In
the context of this is you being in a hotel
room and just scrolling through on the guide and you
just picked the random show to watch, and you've been yeah,
you've been obsessed with this show.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Now I love this I love this show. I'm not
the only one. We've invited this guy on. We can
get to that later. But the squatting thing has really
taken off. Something else that I talked about. We talked
about the top of the show, which was they can't
back off of this policy on immigration. Let's get into immigration.
Let's get into some top line items here. Clay, we
were discussing immigration yesterday and the first hour of the program,

(06:49):
and I was saying, and you agreed, and saying, look,
you can't give in to these communists and say we're
not going to do vehicle stops anymore, because there's been
two incidents where people tried to ram ICE officers with
their cars and they got shot. By the way, if
you tried to ram your local sheriff with your car,
you were likely to get shot. And that is a
lawful shooting, right. I mean, this is not a complicated matter,

(07:12):
assuming the facts line up in that way. Some people
were saying, why are you being so hard? I don't
know if you saw some of this. It was a
little bit of chirping. Why are you complaining about this?
It's fine, it's fine, it's fine. It's not fine. And
we know that because Trump himself has come out with
the following, Clay, the men and women of ICE this
was on truth are doing a great job. Crime is

(07:35):
way down. The open border policy of Sleepy Joe allowed
twenty five million oh people to pour into our country.
Many were criminals. We have to get them tough, et cetera.
The traffic stop. We cannot give up on one of
ICE's most important and effective crime fighting tools, the traffic stop.
He's saying here, I won't read the whole things, it's

(07:55):
pretty long, but Clay Trump came back, overruled this decision
that was in an internal memo within DHS. The traffic
stops are back. I just want to say, Clay and
bucket results the President agrees with us. You can't. I
mean this to me is just very basic.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
You cannot tell bad guys what they can do to
avoid consequences for being bad guys. Because some people are
going to be surprised by this, many of you who
worked in law enforcement or not. The bad guys often
know exactly what the law is and will use the
law to their advantage when it comes to are how
much drugs are they carrying? They'll know mandatory minimum laws,

(08:36):
They'll know they'll sometimes have people who are underage be
doing things for them because those guys have less significant
consequences if they're caught. You can't tell people, hey, if
you get in a car and flee, we're no longer
going to be pursuing you, because the worst thing you
could do is actually create more of these situations, Buck,

(08:58):
which is exactly what this will do, because it encourages
people to know exactly what they have to do to
avoid being taken into custody by ice.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
So I think this was a mishap.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
I do think the design Buck, the fact that this
happened in Maine.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I do think.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Politically there was a concern that this was going to
be difficult for Susan Collins to reconcile, and if this
had happened in like we saw happen in Texas, I
don't think there was any rapid try to address that situation.
I think the fact that this happened in a battleground
location where a Senate race is ongoing made the politics

(09:37):
of it particularly fraught, and I think that's the underlying
basis upon which this decision was made. But I think
they got to the right result after twenty four hours
a bit of confusion.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
I would just note though, that for anyone who was
who was emailing in shut up, it's fine, Well, no, actually.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Was that actually happening? Were people upset that we were
calling this hours?

Speaker 1 (09:58):
There were some we're saying we're being don't be critical
of the administration on this. No, we absolutely should be
critical of the administration on this. Trump knew. I mean
when I see the administration, that's not just Trump. He
has all these people who have to do things. This
was a decision made below, you know, the Trump level,
and he as soon as it was brought to his attention, obviously,

(10:19):
he was like, guys, what are you doing. We got
to keep doing this so cause and effect, right, you know,
you got you got to bring these things up to
get people to see what's happening, because the deportation issue
is absolutely essential. By way, do we have Tommy Laren
on later because she wants to weigh and all this.
We got her at one o'clock. We got Tommy Laren
joinings at one o'clock. We've also got another blonde who

(10:41):
will be on at one o'clock, Caroline Levitt back from
uh that's what we call it, transition back to a
White House Press secretary role. Yes, back from maternity lee
for baby number two. So she will be having a
press availability. And I would say the biggest news that
is out there is President Trump is going to have
a time address tonight where reports are that he is

(11:03):
going to address Chinese interference in our election, particularly twenty twenty,
and how it might have impacted the overall results of
the twenty twenty election. So are the networks going to
cover it? That is one question. There's been a lot
of pushback. I haven't seen the official determination, but this
morning as I was doing my prep, there was pushback

(11:25):
against the idea that they were going to cover it.
And what is the fallout going to be of these
of these comments and how detailed are they going to
be from the president as it pertains to the election.
I hope that this well, we'll see. I'll just I'll
wait and see. How about that, Let's see what it's

(11:47):
presented here, But it will be China collusion instead of
Russia collusion, it sounds like. So we'll be entering a
new phase of that discussion. And here's by the way,
Tom Holman has waited on this is specifically on the
Ice shootings. And you guys all know, and I say
it just so I'm on the record. I'm a Tom
Holman fan. The guy is the real deal and is

(12:09):
totally dedicated to the mission. This is cut twenty four
listening to what he had to say about the Yes shooting.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm scared to death because social vehicles are sky high.
There's been a lot of shootings. I'm scared to death
that one of these days our urce officers aren't gonna
be quick enough, the bad guys gonna be quicker, and
I won't hand another full of flag to a spouse
for a child. So you know, President Trump's clear this
policy is not going away. But it all goes back
to the Dems who want to continue attack ICE and

(12:36):
tell people to evade them, tell people don't comply, tell
people to resist, and tell people ICE doesn't really long enforce.
Says you and I talked about this year and a
half acre, Laura. I said the April reddick didn't stop.
There will be bloodshed, and I'm saying that right now
there's still gonna be more bloodshed unless they shut their
mouth play.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
This is the critical point of many things that that
Homan said there but Democrats encouraging people to resist so
they can get some political issues, so they can maybe
get something on video or even just news reports in
the preliminary for their own political purposes. They're sending people
into lethal force situations on purpose. Yes, yes, the goal.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Is to create more Renee Goods, more alex Pretti's. They
want there to be deaths, they want there to be violence,
because if that occurs, they get their viral video, which
to them is representative of why what Ice is doing
is abhorrent. I do think this kind of ties in
with your Manufacturing Delusion book. It is worth constantly reinforcing

(13:43):
that Democrats have come to the position that they must
risk life and limb to keep people who are illegally
here from being removed from our country, and that that
is a position that virtually no Democrat in America would
have had as recently as what two thousand. I mean
Obama ran on deportations in two thousand and eight and

(14:06):
even twenty twelve. This is a radical change in the
Democrat Party. That orthodoxy now of their entire left wing
guys here is that they have to stand up and
prevent people illegally here from being taken out of the country.
It's really radical that this has become mainstream in any way.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
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Speaker 1 (15:44):
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Speaker 2 (15:47):
Welcome back in Clay and Buck. Hour number two. We're
rolling through the program. Appreciate all of you hanging out
with us. So we are scheduled to be joined by
Tommy Larin of OutKick and also the Big Fox Weekend
Show where she's on six hours every weekend.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
She does a lot.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Want to encourage all of you to go check out
our YouTube page where you can watch now all three
hours of the program, including Tommy who's about to be
on with us right now, and you can comment and
if you go to the live tab you can find
us there. We're continuing to refine and experiment experiment with that,

(16:26):
but Buck already we're getting thousands of people watching live
every single day, which is a nice way to continue
to grow this audience. We love everybody on AMFM, We
love all of you watching right now on YouTube, serious
satellite radio, everybody out there, and Tommy Larin joins us
now and Tommy, I just check it. In my mentions,

(16:49):
I was making fun of the Savannah Bananas SB opening act,
and the Savannah Bananas community has has come after me
in all their glory in the comments, which is actually
very very funny. Your husband is a Major League Baseball
former player and a coach, so you had the Savannah

(17:11):
Bananas back in this in this great in Brolio that
has has broken out online. So anybody who wants to
be entertained by the comments, the Savannah Banana community is
coming after me. Uh but Tommy, there's a lot to
get into. Let's start off with you. I feel like
I'm seeing you up very well here. Pete Hegseth says

(17:32):
that they are going to be testosterone level checks now
for troops. What do you think the testosterone level is
of the average Democrat voting mail in America?

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Well, listen, quay, I don't know, like the hormonal imbalances, right,
you know, that's not really my my wheelhouse.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
So I just go.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
Off of you know, my observations, right, But you've said
it before, and I wholeheartedly agree with you. The Democrat men,
and you know, they don't really scream manly, and then
they try to find one that they think reads manly
because you know, he has a beard and he wears overall,
and Platner's the best they can do, because for them,
it's like, if we just have somebody who looks a

(18:15):
little bit less meek and feminine, then people will think
that we are the masculine party, and then they pick
Graham Platner, who fantasizes about porter potties. So I don't
think they have any understanding on the left about what
masculinity is. I don't think they know what it looks like,
what it sounds like. I certainly think they don't understand
the hormonal imbalances, if that's part of the problem here,

(18:38):
and they still struggle to do that. So I don't
think there's any hope they're going to find it before
twenty twenty six or twenty twenty eight. I haven't seen
any convincing evidence that they know what it even is.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
So, Tommy, one thing I wanted to talk to you about,
other than the sadness that Brian Stelter and so many
other men of the left wing media are going to
have now that we have a high TRT DoD situation
playing out, But seriously, on the issue of deportations and immigration,
I saw and I agreed with your sense. I saw

(19:10):
your frustration that we were making a concession to the
lunatic left, you attack ice maniacs by not doing I'm
sure you've seen. Now Trump has flipped that around. That's
a step in the right direction. But how are you feeling.
You've been on the border issue very closely for a
long time, and I know you've been down there a

(19:32):
bunch of times. How are you feeling about the promises made,
promises kept aspect of Trump two point zero on deportation specifically, Well, so,
I don't.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Think this is actually President Trump, right. I think he's
got some folks that perhaps maybe you're in his ear,
or maybe you're just doing what they want to do.
I don't know the intricacies of all of that. I'm
not in these rooms. But I firmly believe that President
Trump won in twenty sixteen and in twenty twenty four
based almost entirely on his immigration stamp and on mass
dep stations. These people that are trying to revise history

(20:03):
saying that he was only going to deport the so
called worst of the worst, we're not paying attention. I
watched every single rally. I was promised the largest mass
deportation effort in history, and I believe that that's what it
started out as. And then the left they issued their
Heckler's detail, They sent their green hair septim piercing mafia

(20:23):
out to harass agents in Minneapolis, in Chicago, in New
Jersey and everywhere else Los Angeles. And then every time
they do that, some debacle happens, shocker, and then we
back off. And it seems to me like maybe some
folks in DHS are more worried about how it's going

(20:43):
to play to CNN and SNBC and the shrieking liberals
who are never going to vote Republican anyway than they
are about the promise of mass deportation. So yeah, very
fired up about it. I think President Trump stepped in,
thank goodness, because he understands these things. He knows what
his base vote it on, and even the ones that
won't admit it. You guys both know there are people

(21:03):
that won't admit that they want mass deportations because it
doesn't sound nice and our liberal mommy circles, but quietly
they want mass deportations, So I think the President was
right to reverse it. I don't know about the leadership
of Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen. I don't know if he's
got the stones to carry out mass deportations, but I
hope the message was sent loud and clear that this

(21:25):
is what we want.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
What do you think the president should say tonight? The
dress is going to get a lot of attention. There
are reports that much of it has to do with
twenty twenty and the election fraud related to twenty twenty.
How's that going to play out midterms? Does it matter?
What do you expect? My general take, Tommy would be,

(21:47):
and I bet Buck would sign off on this too,
that it's almost even if Trump showed up with dead
to rights evidence of explicit cheating, that is impossible to ignore.
The New York Time, CNN, MSNBC, all of these outlets
would just choose not to cover it, right, We'd all
be screaming on the side over here, Hey, hey, here's

(22:09):
all the evidence. They still wouldn't cover it, or they'd
still say he's lying. What do you think the impact
of tonight's going to be? What would you tell the president?

Speaker 5 (22:17):
Well?

Speaker 4 (22:17):
I would say this I'm just as upset about, you know,
any type of voter fraud, election fraud interference as the
next person. Obviously, that's why the Save America Act is
so important to me. I'm not so sure relitigating twenty
twenty is the way to go. If we want to
reltigate twenty twenty, why doesn't someone go to prison for
the COVID scandemic. I mean, I guess for me, I'm

(22:40):
a little bit more fired up about that one, you know,
President Rump one in twenty twenty four. And also, let's
look ahead, you know, let's pass the Save America Act,
or at the very least, let's get some voter ID, right,
that would be great. Even if we had just voter ID,
something simple, incremental, you know, wins there. I'd be happy
with that. So I don't know what the speech is
going to be tonight. If it's going to be, hey,

(23:01):
I should have won in twenty twenty, I don't know
how that lands. I don't know how that fixes anything.
But if it's you know something too, this is why
we need to pass Save America Act, then you know
we're in the right vein. But I just think looking
towards the future, is probably more helpful, especially as we
go into the midterms.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Tommy, how are you feeling about the Iran situation right
now with gas prices and everything else in flux?

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Well, I'll tell you this. I don't think that we
went into Iran because we wanted to, or because it
was just for fun, or it was for President Trump's legacy.
I believed that we went into Iran because we had
to for some you know, extreme purpose, that we had
to prevent something massive from happening. That being said, I'm
glad that we're resuming strikes because I think the worst

(23:49):
thing that was happening was the couple of months where
nothing was happening and we just had the promises of
a deal, the promises of a memorandum. I mean, we
reported on it every single weekend, and I think that
that left a lot of people with false hope. And
now it's kind of like the Boy who Cried WOLFZ,
Like do we have un understanding? Do we have a ceasefire?
Are we going to have diplomatic talks? Is the straight

(24:10):
going to be open? So when you go back and
forth with people and people are you know, especially those
that a lot of their family budget is reliant on
what the gas prices are. I think you just got
to play it straight with people and don't give them
false hope that you know, somehow the strait is going
to magically be open and it's going to stay open.
We haven't seen any evidence that it is, so just

(24:31):
play it straight with people so they know what to expect,
so they don't get their hopes up. I think that
would be my take on it.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
We're talking to Tommy layerin Big weekend show on Fox
News OutKick Show as well, our friend, are you going
to go see the Odyssey? And what has been your
take on the Elliott Ellen page revelations. We were talking
about this a little bit earlier, of him playing her

(24:58):
playing However, you want to classify a soldier and running
around in armor at five feet tall, what's going on here?

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Well, I think that's embarrassing, and I think that there's
definitely some capitulation to the wop mob on some aspects
of it. You know, the way they're depicting Helen of Troy,
I'm not sure that's so accurate to you know, the
actual time period or the epic itself that I grew
up reading in school. I probably still go see it
because I love the Odyssey just what it represents, and

(25:28):
at part of my childhood we all had to read it,
you know, many times and watch the old movies. So
I'll probably go and see it. I'm hoping the woke
doesn't creep into the storyline. If it doesn't creep into
the storyline, I'm okay. If it's just they have the
woman who thinks she's a man, I can get beyond that.
I'm just hoping they didn't try to alter the actual
storyline of the Odyssey. That is my big hope, and

(25:52):
if they do, they'll pay for it.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Tommy Clay might have convinced the massive company Paramount to
move to your shared home Nashville. That is in progress
right now. What do you think about nash Vegas going
from being just the country music capital of the country
to also the possibility here of it being a major
movie TV production hub, And would there be a Tommy

(26:16):
Laren starring drama at some point if Clay can make
that happen.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
Listen. I love when companies come to Tennessee because I
love the investment. But as Clay knows, we have already
a lot of Californians here I don't know how many
Californians we can absorb at this point. I think we're
kind of saturated. I love the idea of entertainment coming here, though,
because I think it's just a natural transition. Austin has
become a comedy hub, and I think that Nashville could

(26:43):
be the next Hollywood. Georgia had it for a while.
I think it's much better in Nashville. I think Nashville
serves that purpose. But you know, as Clay knows, you
drive around Tennessee and there's a lot of Californians here,
So let's see what it brings, right, I don't know
what Starbucks is going to bring. Are they going to
bring more liberals here? That's my concern. I guess it's
growing pains, But I don't know how many more, you know, Californians,

(27:08):
liberal minded folks, we can absorb. And I want to
say this too. A lot of people say, well, they're
fleeing because they understand that their state is run horribly. Yes,
a lot of them are. But I will say, and
I don't know if Clay has the same experience. I
can say just from my neighborhood, there are a lot
of people who are conservative. Maybe fiscally, they don't want
to pay the taxes in California, they don't want to

(27:29):
have the regulations on their businesses. So in that mindset
they are conservative. But like in my neighborhood, I live
in a gated community. There are Californians that live in
my community who say they're conservative. They don't want security
to carry a gun. That makes them nervous. Okay, So
those are the things that I have a little bit
of trepidation about.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
I want all my security with guns, Tommy.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
You know, I had to move behind the gate because
of some of the craziness that's been going on, and
I want everybody around me with guns. So yeah, if
that we don't want the Californians that are nervous about
people having guns. If that's you, you can stay in California,
or you can move to New York instead. What do
you expect, Tommy. Here in Tennessee, the voting early voting

(28:18):
starts tomorrow. Marsha Blackburn was on with US Tuesday. I
think she's expected to win as the next governor. She
fought the state income tax. It feels to me we're
gonna have nine Republicans representing the whole state that in much.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Of the state there is really good leadership. I know.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I would say Floridians would say the same thing. I
think Texans largely would too, where we have no state
income tax. What do you expect from these elections that
are starting here in Tennessee on Friday.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Well, I've always liked Senator Marshall Blackburn. You know, she's
been a friend of mine for a long time, even
before I moved to Tennessee, so you know she has
my support. I think what the sleeper issue might be,
and I still think Republicans are going to take everything.
This is Tennessee. I think the sleeper issue on some
of it, though, might be the data center stuff. I
think that that's going to have a bigger impact than

(29:10):
people understand. It's an area where the left has found
they can pull some from the right because a lot
of folks that are rule, if they're Tennesseeans or wherever
they might be in this country, they're a little bit
anxious about the data centers and they keep putting them.
You know, usually obviously where the land is in the
rural areas, and people in Georgia and maybe in Tennessee

(29:32):
and some other places are a little nervous about that,
people that are very conservative. So the data center issue
I think is going to be bigger than people think.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I can definitely see that drama starting to build as well.
By the way, Caroline Levitt at the Rosterum, returning from
having her second baby press conference underway right now starting, Tommy,
keep up the good work. People watching on the weekend
and they can subscribe to your YouTube channel for your
OutKick show, which is doing fantastically well as well. What

(30:05):
else should they know from your perspective? How do they
find you?

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Well, we're going to be I'll be heading to New York.
I have to leave Tennessee as I always do, heading
to New York doing a little out Numbered tomorrow, and
then of course we'll be on the big weekend show.
So we got the World Cup final on Sunday. That'll
be interesting.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Clay, I think I'm on with you. Yeah, I think
I'm on to World Cup. Tommy. I feel like you're
going to know this. Who's gonna win?

Speaker 4 (30:30):
I promise you. I care not one bit about soccer,
so I couldn't even bananas. I'd rather watch the Savannah
Bananas play.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Tommy loves America too much to weigh in on argent
Uni versus Spain. This surprises nobody. Tommy, thank you for
being with us.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Thank you guys. Talk to you soon.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
I'll be on with Tommy on Sunday, So the Big
New the Big Big Weekend Show, if you want to
watch that. I'm also on Big Noon on Fox Sports,
which is not too far away.

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It's like having your house at the perfect temperature all
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All right, third hour Clay and Buck kicks off right now.
Thanks for being here with us, everybody, And we just
had Caroline Levitt back from attorney to leave talking to
the nation from the West wing of the White House,
and we have some updates from that for you. We

(32:38):
pulled all the most newsworthy and relevant clips and we're
gonna make sure you're up to speed. As you know,
we are live, we are in real time, and we
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you were out there and in the meantime, we've got
this Clay a few things. By the way, we have

(33:01):
some funny stuff to get to at the back of
this hour involving a license plate. That's all I can say.
That will be the only tease I have for this one.
We will have to get there though, Clay or remind me.
But first, the serious business of the republic and what's
going on with Caroline Levitt's preview of the speech tonight

(33:23):
that President Trumpele gave at nine o'clock on is nine Eastern?
Is that right we're talking about yes, yeah, talking about
the time changes on. Well, here's what Caroline. This is
cut thirty guys. Here's Caroline Levitt previewing Trump's speech tonight.
Let's hear it.

Speaker 6 (33:38):
Part of the problem is that the media has refused
to acknowledge that tens of millions of Americans across the
country share the concerns of this president about the sanctity
of our elections. And your premise of your question, you're
jumping ahead to a conclusion in this speech before even
hearing it yourself. I think that everyone should tune in tonight,
including the people in this room, and you should report
on the President's speech and the findings that he is

(34:00):
going to reveal in this speech with a little bit
of honesty and a little bit of integrity, because it
does it will shock you if you have an honest
I listening to the President tonight, and everything he is
saying will be backed by facts and by evidence that
will be provided this evening. And again, Garrett, again, I
think all Americans, Democrat Republicans should agree that we are
the greatest country in the history of the world. We
should have the safest and most secure elections in the

(34:22):
history of the world, and what the President will.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Be speaking about tonight will show you that perhaps that.

Speaker 6 (34:26):
Is not the case, and we need to make some
adjustments moving forward, including the Save America Act, as Rachel
pointed out, is a key legislative priority for this president.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
On Capitol Hill, Clay, I don't know what the President's
going to say tonight, and I'm very curious to see it.
I will watch it tonight, but I do know, and
I would put money on this one that the people
in the press corps who are Trump paters, doesn't matter
what he says, It doesn't matter. I can appreciate Caroline

(34:58):
Levitt asking them to please once try to be honest.
Spoiler alert everybody that Trump hating media will not be
honest about whatever it is that he says, So we
should at least all be prepared for that as we
wait to see what the President has to say.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier, is even if
President Trump came out and provided the most died in
the wall, beyond self doubt, beyond criticism, beyond reasonable doubt,
evidence that our elections are insecure and that they have
been influenced in a way that makes them unsafe. MSNBC, CNN,

(35:37):
New York Times. They're not going to cover it. They're
just not and they have decided that President Trump is.
They cared drastically. It is kind of funny. In twenty sixteen,
all of them bought the Russia collusion hoax and covered
the idea that Russia had rigged our election as if

(35:58):
it were the biggest story in.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
The history of the United States.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
In twenty twenty, Trump said our election was rigged and
none of them would cover it. And now in twenty
twenty four. I think Trump won so comfortably that everybody's
just kind of said, yeah, Kamala was an awful candidate.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Trump won.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
I do think buck one of the big lasting questions
that is still out there. You and I talked about
it yesterday. I'll be honest. In twenty twenty I didn't
believe anywhere near as much as I do now that
the eighty one million Biden votes were illegitimate. And I

(36:37):
looked at it and I said, Okay, maybe Trump is
uniquely able to in twenty twenty. We know they changed
all the rules with ballots and everything else. The fact
that Kamala is six million less than Biden in twenty
twenty four made me go back to twenty twenty and
look at it and say, there's no way that Biden

(36:59):
got eighty one million legitimate votes.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
There just isn't.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
And I think increasing majorities of Americans just look at it.
Take away the politics. Whether you're a Trump person, whether
you're a Biden person. The question I think you have
to ask is is Joe Biden the most popular presidential
candidate to ever run in the history of the United States.
I think there's not one single person in America that
would say that, I'll put it this way, Buck, we're

(37:25):
making fun of Biden announcing these You're releasing a book
this week. Have you ever seen anybody wear Biden gear?

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yes, no, no, excuse me, excuse me, sir. Some of
the illegals who were showing up at the border were
wearing Biden T shirts. They were very excited, very excited
about vice presidency.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
So the reason why I bring it up, you might say, Okay, Clay,
why would you even bring up the idea of Biden
gear when you wear something like right now, I'm wearing
an Atlanta Braves T shirt. Right when you wear something
that you are committed to that shows you are a
member of a tribe, it shows a depth of commitment.
Whatever you think about Trump, the red Maga hat is

(38:06):
an unbelievably powerful sign of how much depth of support
there is for Trump.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
I don't ever remember seeing anyone where in their normally
existing life Biden gear.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
And so I think you just reasonably look.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
At all of this and say, is there a depth
of support of Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
You went through with Groc was yesterday.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
I think you were reading what Groc said about the
eighty one million votes that Biden got in the wake
of the twenty twenty four election. We can test Trump
twenty sixteen twenty twenty twenty four. There are twelve years
basically of Trump data out there now since he came
down the escalator and began his political career. This is

(38:54):
about twelve years of data ish of what Trump represents
on the American political landscape.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
There's no way Biden got any one million legal votes.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I do not believe it now. I don't think there's
any way that a New York Times reporter would ever
say what I just said, no matter what the evidence is.
I don't think there's any way a CNN reporter would
say it. I don't think there's any way an MSNBC
reporter would say it. So no matter what Trump lays
out tonight, it's not going to impact the way that
this is covered. And half the country is not going

(39:28):
to hear what he says at all, and they're going
to be told that.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
He's just lying to them.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
My concern, and we just asked Tommy Laarn about this
at the top of the next hour, is is this
going to help in the midterms or is it going
to be people saying, hey, like that was six years ago,
and I'm talking about people who are persuadable voters. What
I care about now is cost of living. What I
care about now is mortgage rates, which are way too high.

(39:55):
What I care about is the rate on my credit
card debt.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
That's what I.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Think the average American wants to hear. And my concern
is this is going to be discordant because it's going
to sound like Trump. Again, we haven't read this speech,
and we haven't seen the speech or anything else, but
it's going to sound like Trump is retrospectively focused on
events instead of prospective, prospectively well focused.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
My sense play is he may present tonight numbers and
data to support his very clear view on the twenty
twenty election, and he's doing so not just to re
litigate the pass, which will certainly be an accusation that
people a criticism people will make about this, but also

(40:41):
because of the Save America Act and the desire that
the President and many other Republicans have to further secure
and solidify elections going forward. So there is a I
think going to be an action piece of this other
than Trump wanting to address some thing that he feels
very passionately and personally about for obvious reasons. My sense

(41:04):
is that it will tie into the Save America Act
as well, which, unfortunately, then you get into why isn't
it being passed. It's not being passed because of the
assumption of a Democrat filibuster, and unless people are willing
to change that rule in the Senate, that's where it
goes and dies. I don't think there's any willingness to
change it in the Senate. So we get into this.

(41:27):
This is where it just gets frustrated. To this, You
and I are frustrated as much as many listeners are.
The Save Act has eighty percent public support. Majorities of black, white, Asian,
Hispanic people all say, this is very basic. Let's have
elemental security when it comes to casting about it.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
And yet, and yet we cannot get this basic bill passed.
We got a lot of people, Jack and Virginia wants
to weigh in on this. Jack, what you got?

Speaker 5 (41:58):
Yes, your caller and I've talked about this. We don't
want to relitigate it, but don't think that this can't
happen again. The Democrats are very good at this, and
if you know anything about American history. This isn't the
first time they did this, So we need to get
the facts out and just let the people decide themselves.

(42:24):
To me, there was no doubt that election night. I
stayed up till two or three in the morning and
to see what happened. By the next morning, I'm like, huh,
what you know, where did all these votes come from?
So I hear a lot of people in the media say, oh,
this is not a big deal. We need to move on. No,

(42:45):
we don't need to move on. I mean, this is
this is what men fight and die in wars for.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
I agree with everything you're saying. The question that I'm
asking is this audience agrees with everything that you're saying.
This audience is going to watch whatever Trump says tonight
and say yes, I agree. Is there an ability to
actually tangibly change something right now? We have control of

(43:11):
the Senate and the argument is, thank you for the call,
we need at least sixty votes to get anything done. Well, bucket,
I have said, and I think President Trump's one hundred
percent right about this. As soon as Democrats get back
control of the United States Senate and the House and
the White House, which could happen as soon as twenty
twenty eight, they're going to immediately do away with the filibuster,

(43:34):
and they are going to implement radical left wing agendas.
And everybody on the Republican side who set around and
said we have to remain committed to principle and procedure
and history is going to look like a patsy because
Democrats are going to run roughshot over whenever they have
the power to do so.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
That's my concern.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
So I just think in many ways, Trump is going
to be preaching to the choir that already believes everything
he has said. I want to see the speech. I
do think having the head of the FBI or the
CIA deliver this speech as well. If there's tangible evidence

(44:17):
of cheating and also prosecutions, this is where I get
really frustrated, and I know you do too, Buck. If
we've got people cheating on everything related to COVID, and
if we've got everybody cheating on many different things relating
to relating to elections, who's paid the consequences for any
of this, Well, that's all true. There's also a component

(44:41):
of this clay of the continued beating that the Democrat
media takes. Formerly the formerly known as the legacy corporate
media that they take over the I think there's going
to be an obvious double standard at play if he
talks about China influencing the election, doing anything that's based

(45:02):
in either mainland China or perhaps North Korea on behalps
of China, behalf of China. The Democrats in the media
are all just going to say, oh, but you know,
it didn't matter, it didn't do much, right like the
Russia one hundred thousand dollars on Facebook in twenty sixteen
really shifted. So he'll expose them for the total frauds
and phonies they are once again. And there is value

(45:22):
to that as well, assuming that's part of the presentation tonight.
But I still think that the mid terms here and
how this factors into that is probably the most important component.
So well, we got to see we're just previewing it
right now. We'll see where it goes. We'll take your
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Speaker 7 (47:01):
Level up your brain mental mugging with Clay and Buck.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Okay, we
got an update here for you in a real time.
US forces are conducting a new wave of strikes against
Iran as we talk to you. Uh so they are
degrading Iranian military capabilities. Sent comput this out. Yes we are.
We are bombing them again the MoU Is Donzo memorandum

(47:31):
of understanding, and we are continuing to watch this. I
so very interesting. Just one note about this, and I
don't want to spend too much time on it because
not much has really changed. We're back where we were
and this is a lot of stop start. But Clay,
when we talked about it looks like we don't have

(47:52):
I said to you, it looks like we don't have
Iran quite where we thought we did with cutting off
their oil. Well, and you said, well, yeah, d the
opening they just rushed it all out. Yeah, but this
is both of these statements are true. We don't have
Iran right where we want them with the oil because

(48:12):
they use the thirty days of negotiations when Trump said okay,
you can sell your oil again to just flood as
much of their oil out as possible, which now means
that now their storage capacity is back to a place
where they have some time. They filled their coffers with
some hard currency done all this, So now it's like

(48:34):
we're we're starting not from square one because I know
there's a lot of degraded military capability on the ground there.
But in terms of using the oil as the choke point,
this could be, this could be a little while.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Look, the question that President Trump is going to be
confronted with, and we've talked about this a lot on
the program over the past several months, if you really
want to control the situation.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
In Iran, you have to take Carg Island. You have
to take.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Carg Island, and you have to then be in control
of the means of production of oil and gas in Iran.
If you do that, it would require putting American troops
on that island, and it would put them in peril
and danger. That is to me the uh that is

(49:22):
the decision that President Trump is going to be faced with,
because I think we have established that we're not going
to get significant regime change.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Through all of these bombs.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
You were on this from the get go, Buck that
in order to really force out the IRGC, you're going
to have to replace that government. And the only way
you can replace that government is by putting troops on
the ground. So to me, the kind of the middle
ground here would be taking over the financial means of
the funding of the government, which would require troops on

(49:57):
the ground in carg Island, and US taking over the
oil and gas production capabilities of Iran, which is an accelerant.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
And at that point, when you have US troops who
are engaging in gun battles with whatever Iranian resistance is there,
it's a war. You can argue about the scale or
you can debate the scale of the war, but it's
certainly a war. Right now, Trump is saying it's more
of a military action than a war, however we want
to it's really an air campaign or an air and

(50:28):
missile I guess aerial campaign includes the missiles. But there
hasn't been a ground troop component really yet. I know
we had to save a down pilot, but we're not
doing the landing large numbers of soldiers. That would be
an obvious escalation from the perspective of US US risk

(50:50):
and also politically here at home, it's a lot harder
to say, oh, but this is just something that we're doing.
A pressure of the Iranians if we have any especially
if we start losing any number of America. That changes
the calculation for a lot of people. So Clay, you're
right about what we would need for the pressure the Iranians.
I don't think we'll be able to bring the Iranians
to heal, so to speak, by cutting off their oil

(51:13):
for I mean, based on the numbers in the past,
we'll take a couple of months really here, So how
long are you going to do the air strikes? It
would put it into the American political midterm process, right,
So the question is does President Trump try to jump
ahead of that and decide to make a decision that
would be an accelerant but also in theory would in

(51:36):
an ideal world accelerate some form of resolution. I think
the challenge is Buck and I think you probably would
sign off on this too. This is never going to
be a resolved situation unless you're willing to actually commit
boots on the ground to try to wipe out the
IRGC once and for all right, to send them for

(51:57):
this is why you know, people will talk about out,
you know, whether or not they thought the Bush administration
in Iraq was a It was a total disaster. Do
they make some smart moves some dumb moves, whatever, it
may be. Yeah, if they thought they could get the
whole thing done from the air, they would have right.
And this was also true we had a no fly
zone over Iraq for many years, which was part of

(52:20):
a you know, part of the UN resolution and a
carrots and sticks approach to Saddam Hussein and all this.
You can't get it all done from the sky, and
that is something that I think the Trump administration knew,
and they were testing this out. There has been some
miscalculation here. I think it's fair to say with the

(52:41):
amount of Iranian dissent slash resistance uprising, you would see
as a result, Like I really do think the hope
here was we will be the Iranian Counter Revolutions Air Force.
If we're really just being honest about what I think
the administration believed at the beginning. Though they'll say not now,
they'll say that's not true, and maybe they're right, maybe

(53:03):
they're not, But I do believe that that's what was thought,
and there's actually a fair amount of reporting to support that.
And then it was okay, well we did this thing,
they're not rising up. What's the most that we can
get out of this. We're going to have to accelerate
the punishment from the air to force the concessions we want.
I think that has been harder than we anticipated as well.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
I think the other part of this, and it does
deserve to be talked about, Israel was wrong when they
told Trump that they believed they had a process by
which regime change could occur. I also think this is
the question, will Israel put boots on the ground if
the United States said, hey, we'll give you air support.

(53:50):
Is there a willingness in Israel for Israeli soldiers to
go into Iran? And then what does that do in
the Middle East? Because Buck, as you well know having
spent time in the Middle East, there is a different
dynamic at play. I think when American troops are on
the ground, because we are seen as less of a

(54:12):
religious war right than when Israeli troops are on the
ground and it is seen as Jews versus Muslims.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Now we're pretty much seen the same. You think, pretty
much just as bad for US troops on the ground
as it is when they were trying to blow us
up in a rock. They were calling us crusaders and Jews,
crusaders and Jews. I'm just telling you it's bad. They're
not like, oh, the Americans are here. Well, I'm thinking
that Americans would be a little bit better. No, not really.
They think that we're just the army of Israel, essentially,

(54:41):
that we're the army arm of the Israeli government, like
we do Israel's bidding. So no, they do. They would
not be.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Uh So the question then becomes did the circles very
back around? I was trying to find a middle ground
where Israel is acting and we're not right where they're
putting boots on the ground taking more risks than we are.
Is there a will to do that in Israel? Would
it play worse in the Middle East? If the answer
is no, then basically we're just back to the question.

(55:09):
And this is one of the legacies, unfortunately of Iraq.
It could be the case in Afghanistan. It could be
the case that if we put boots on the ground
in Iran it could actually work out. Okay, Right, that's
a possibility, the idea, the idea that.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
It could be, but not the risk factor. Right, the
risk factor of blowing up a bunch of their installations
and stuff in Iran is pretty low for us. Yes, correct,
the risk factor of once you start landing. Look, once
people are in harm's way, it changes dynamic overnight.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
I do think that the failure of Iraq and Afghanistan
has basically now for a generation plus, it's created a
world where everyone says, I don't want American troops on
the ground anywhere in the Middle East. And the result
is we can't solve anything, you know, And this is

(56:02):
where you start to get into an intractable never ending.
You use the phrase you constantly got to mow the grass.
And this is where I think a lot of Americans
just we don't have a lot of patience. They think
in one hundred year terms in Iran and in many
of these Middle Eastern countries, and we're thinking about months.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
This is also part of the problem with the approach.
And I know didn't JD went on the Joe Rogan
know right and talked about a bunch of the stuff.
And JD is frustrated with the criticism about this, Okay,
but JD can come on and talk to us whenever
he wants. It should be criticized. This is not working
out as planned, all right. We should be able to

(56:41):
have a conversation about where this is and what's true
and what's not. This is obviously I mean, as you know,
Clay I and everyone knows who listens to the show,
I've been saying from the Iranians are just going to
entangle us in negotiations and then they're gonna lie, and
then they're gonna cheat and steal, They're gonna do everything
that This is just that this was pretty clearly going
to be the case. And the background of all this

(57:01):
as well is whatever agreement they do, whatever they would
even theoretically sign on to, as soon as there's a
Democrat administration, they know that there'll be no consequences, so
they don't have they don't have they can sign anything
they want. Ultimately, all they have to do is wait
until there's heaven forbid but a President Kamala or President Newsom,

(57:24):
and then all of a sudden they know it's totally
game on. They do whatever they want. Here's JD by
the way, on Iran cut twenty play it.

Speaker 7 (57:31):
What the president has done, I think, very very capably,
is said, we're going to use military force in the
in this situation when it's connected to something we're trying
to achieve. So if you shoot at ships we're going
to shoot at the facilities at which you used to
shoot at the ships. But we're not just going to
do something open ended indefinitely. We're not just gonna bomb
and bomb and bomb. We're going to try to use
our military force as one of the many tools that

(57:53):
we have to solve the problem. And obviously, like I'm biased,
but I think that's exactly the right approach.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Now that's by the way, that's he basically contradicts himself
without recognizing the statement. We can shoot at whatever they've
shot at the ships with for the next twenty years
and they'll still have stuff to shoot at the ships.
So this is actually open ended. I mean, I would
just disagree with JD on that portion of what he said.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I would also point out Jade Vans in a really
tough position because he doesn't agree. I think it's fair
to say, with the policies that have been implemented so far,
that it is public that he argued against going into
Iran and didn't like a lot of these decisions. But
as the VP, his job is to defend the choices

(58:37):
that the President of the United States makes. He has
to be an advocate for policies that he individually may
not have embraced himself, which.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Is a tough spot.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
I mean, this is I think that's one reason to
your point, Buck, that he's kind of on each side
of the issue and isn't able to just say exactly.
I think the truth of the matter is the President
made a choice that JD. Vance disagrees with, and he
can't just come out and say I disagree with the

(59:07):
president because his job is to execute the president's decisions.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Well, and I think he's been chosen for this role
of spokesperson on this because a lot of the pro
Trump Trump voting right that didn't really support this Iran situation.
You know, JD is more say, palatable to them than
some of the more interventionist members of the administration. So

(59:32):
he's a buffer. He's a buffer for this Trump administration
because at least the people that feel like the Iran
move wasn't the wise move or saying well, JD's there,
we know he didn't like this. He's trying to get
this done. He's trying to get us out of this.
So there's an optics component of this that I think
is pretty clear.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Would you agree with this? I think Pete hag Seth
Marco Rubio would be on the more aggressive anti Iran response.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Would that be a fair I think Secretary of Hegseth like,
we will destroy them down to the lizards, if you
remember from Bora. Yes, yeah, So I think those guys
are on one side. JD.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Vance is on the other, and President Trump is in
between listening to both sides of the argument. And on
any given day, I think President Trump is just frustrated
at the degree to which Iran is lying to him
in negotiation. Yeah, and that's coloring much of his response
at this point is Hey, we had a deal. You

(01:00:29):
guys are just total liars. And he's just almost defended
as a deal maker more than anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
So I think what people have to understand about the
Trump approach to this, especially for those of you who
are MMA fans, Trump has them a in a like
an armlock and saying okay, tap out, and they're like no,
and then he snaps the arm and then he goes, Okay,
I'm gonna do this to your other arm. You're gonna

(01:00:56):
tap out right no, because they're crazy and it's really
not their arm that's being broken. It's the arm of
the Iranian people. And their economy. So that's the problem here,
is that a normal leader would say all right, Trump's
Goddess Box day and there's nothing else to do. The
Iranians who are calling the shots are like, yeah, whatever,

(01:01:16):
it's horrible for people. Our guys are getting blown up. Well,
that's what we signed up for. And again, Buck, the
other part of this is it's part of this just
thinking in one hundred year windows, right, I mean, being
in an awful position for years for them is just
it's part of the part of the game, all right.
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