July 17, 2026 • 57 mins
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton with analysis of a recent speech by President Donald Trump, in which he highlighted allegations that China compromised approximately 220 million U.S. voter files, creating what was described as a significant election security vulnerability. Clay and Buck examined claims involving foreign election interference, intelligence community actions, cybersecurity concerns, and questions about whether government agencies and media organizations adequately addressed evidence of Chinese influence efforts. The hosts repeatedly contrasted these allegations with the extensive coverage of the Russia collusion investigation, arguing that claims involving China have not received the same level of scrutiny or media attention. Interview with WH Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller, who expanded on the administration’s election security concerns, alleging widespread vulnerabilities in voter registration systems, foreign interference risks, and weaknesses in election infrastructure. Miller also discussed immigration enforcement, ICE operations, deportation efforts, commercial driver’s license fraud involving illegal immigrants, banking restrictions affecting illegal aliens, public safety concerns, and ongoing Trump administration initiatives aimed at strengthening border security and encouraging self-deportation. The segment closed with lighter conversation about future media projects and personal congratulations for Miller’s growing family. Clay and Buck examined the cultural impact of streaming services, artificial intelligence, and live entertainment. They argued that AI-generated content is making it increasingly difficult to distinguish authentic material from fabricated media, potentially increasing the value of live experiences such as sporting events, concerts, podcasts, and theatrical releases. The discussion referenced the “Barbenheimer” phenomenon and suggested that major cultural events are becoming more important as audiences seek authentic, shared experiences in an increasingly digital world. The hour also featured personal stories and audience interaction, including discussions about the worst movies the hosts had ever seen in theaters, disagreements over Rotten Tomatoes scores, and humorous listener feedback. One particularly memorable segment centered on a Florida woman who unexpectedly received a state-issued license plate with a phrase that appeared unintentionally inappropriate, prompting comparisons to classic television comedy. The hosts also referenced Seinfeld, Rocky Horror Picture Show, and other pop culture touchstones while engaging with callers and talkbacks.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Friday edition, Clay and Buck,
we got a lot to dive into with you. Just
off the top, FYI, Steven Miller, Deputy Chief of Staff,
one of I would say probably the three most powerful
people working inside of the White House that is not
(00:21):
an elected official. He will join us at twelve forty
five at the bottom of this hour to discuss many
different topics currently at the top of the agenda in
the Trump White House, So just put that on your radar.
May also discuss Bloodsport, Karate Kid, and others of his
favorite movies. He's been coming on for years now. But Buck,
(00:45):
I think pretty clearly right off the top here, the
Trump speech last night at nine pm Eastern, about twenty
five minutes, laid out two things that I thought were
the most significant, and then we will kind of breakdown
what we think the significance of these two assertions from
him were. First of all, he said that two hundred
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and twenty million voter files have been hacked by China.
This is cut four listen.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Over a period of years, starting during the twenty twenty
election cycle, the People's Republic of China carried out what
is believed to be the largest compromise of election data
in history, resulting in China's illicit acquisition of two hundred
and twenty million US voter files. That information includes names, addresses,
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phone numbers, political party preferences, another sensitive data that would
be needed to register to vote and engage in other
nefarious activities, which is exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
What was happening.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
This data loss presents an unprecedented election security nightmare.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Okay, one cut there. The second part that I thought
was the most significant, buck and I'm curious if you
would sign off on this. Let's hear it from President Trump.
He says, two hundred and seventy eight thousand that we
know of non citizens are registered voters in our federal elections.
That's cut twelve to.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Reveal just how vulnerable elections continue to be. We are
releasing the results of a stunning investigation by the Department
of Homeland Security. According to the DHS review state voter
rows and public records, they identified approximately two hundred and
seventy eight thousand non citizens who are registered to vote
(02:39):
in federal elections. Since Democrat states refused to share their
voter files. The real number is actually much higher than that.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay, one more Mark Waynemullen, DHS secretary earlier today. I
believe he said, yes, that is true. And these numbers
come from just four Statesifornia, in New Jersey, Nevada, and
Pennsylvania cut one.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Two hundred and fifty thousand non citizens registered to vote
and just four states. Mind you, we have forty six
other states and just four states. We've identified two hundred
and fifty thousand non citizens registered to vote in California
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and Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Nevada. We also worked with
proactive states to identify twenty eight thousand non citizens on
their voter rules, plus four hundred thousand individuals that are
still registered to vote that are deceased.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Okay, Buck this speech last night, like I said twenty
five minutes, I would almost guarantee you that the same
people who told you you, as we discussed yesterday, that
one hundred thousand dollars spent on Facebook ads rigged the
election for Russia, and we had to treat Russia collusion
(04:10):
as the most important story in all of the country
in twenty sixteen, and the Komi Report and everything else
associated with it. They will all tell you that everything
Trump said last night is either a lie or it
is not important. And we've got some cuts on that.
But what was your reaction to last night? Did anything
other than those kind of points that we just played
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jump out to you?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Well, I have more questions as a result of the
information that was shared last night. I think it's important
for people to know the scale of, first of all,
the vulnerabilities in our elections. So I'm glad the president
shared that information publicly. But for example, on the issue
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of journalists getting paid, yeah, to write story or he's
getting paid by China to write stories?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Okay, who I want to know? Who?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
If you're telling me that there are journalists that received
money that receive money in order to write negative stories
about the now you could say whether that's.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You know, legal or not. I think it is probably legal.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
But the point is, all right, if you have this information,
let's know this information. And then on the issue of
the people who are illegals who are registered to vote,
or the foreigners basically who are registered to vote, are
they voting, If they are voting, tell us about the voting.
If they are voting, why can't we catch them voting.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I mean, so this is the thing.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
He's laid out, this information, and a lot of it
is oh my gosh, there are vulnerabilities.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Okay. Are the vulnerabilities being exploited? Though? Is the next step?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
And I need to know if they have that information
or not, because that's obviously the most critical thing is
whether they're actually.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Acting on this. Right.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
It's one thing to say a lot of people could
be voting illegally.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Are they voting illegally? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
You know, and the Chinese influence operation against us? Of
course they're doing it. Look for Trump, this is all
I get it. It's all very personal because of the
Russia collusion lie. The whole thing was absurd. So he's
pointing out, look, of course the Chinese want sleepy Joe
Biden instead of me, and they were running influence operations
and stuff. But for anyone who's saying no, buck, this
is really important. Is anybody going to jail over anything
(06:34):
he said last night? Is one single person going to
be prosecuted for all of the stuff that he talked
about last night? I would say no, I don't think so.
And if that's the case, I would want to know why.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I would echo that I would also say, even go
to prison or any of that. Are we just gonna
get any charges associated with this? And so the part
that I thought was tenuous is, Hey, our voting machines
can be hacked. There has been a lot of discussion
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about that in the past. If the voting machines can
be hacked, there have been tons of lawsuits associated with this.
We need to have way more information about what could
happen for voting machines, And in particular, he cited Maduro
in Venezuela, which may be a particularly unique situation there.
(07:34):
But I do think in general this was different than
what I thought President Trump might say because he didn't
focus so much on twenty twenty. It was more looking
forward prospectively. And this is where I do think Trump
has a little bit of opportunity here. I don't think
(07:58):
President Trump cares that desk about what happens in the midterm. Again,
he's going to campaign hard, He's gonna work hard to
try to keep the House and the Senate. But I
think President Trump is super frustrated with the lack of
things done by the Republican House and the Republican Senate.
And I think on some level he has resigned himself
(08:19):
to he is going to be able to do more
things through executive order than he's going to be able
to do through Congress passing anything. And we've almost reached
the point buck the Senate goes on recess for like
two weeks in August. I mean they're about to shut
down and then they're not going to pass anything during
the actual season of the campaigning season, right. So I
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just feel like, to a large extent, congressional action is finished.
And that might be a pessimistic take, but I feel
like Trump isn't that motivated. Because I was watching MSNBC
and their headline is Trump is terrified that he's going
to lose Congress. I don't think he's actually that. I mean,
he's already been No, he's esecuted, and the threats that
(09:05):
he's faced in the past, like this is a small one.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Trump has been shot. He's not terrified of the Republican Congress.
He'll be Okay, that's a desperate a desperate plea for
viewers and attention from MSNBC or CNN or whatever. But Clay,
for example, because anyone is saying, well, why are you
talking about the people that might be prosecuted or and
by the way, maybe consequences not just prosecution, for example,
(09:30):
getting fired. Trump said, we didn't play nine yet, did
we know?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Trump said last night the following, I want you to
listen to this and we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Play nine.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
One email among intelligence analysts admitted that they had quote
deliberately massaged the Presidential Daily Briefing to withold information regarding
Chinese activities related to the election. Another official inside the
FBI wrote that she was running quote a shadow government
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to keep intelligence about China's election meddling from becoming known
and to keep it away from the honorable press. Other
officials who witness such efforts perceive the motivations to be
blatantly political.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Okay, have those people been fired? Maybe the answer is yes.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Maybe.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
But if the answer is yes, why wouldn't they tell
us that.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
This is the part of this where I'm frustrated because people,
there's a lot of like, but the bureaucracy works against Trump,
and you know, the swamp is thick and deep, and
it's mean to him.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
And yeah, we get all that, he's the president, he's
halfway through his second term. If not now, when you know.
I mean people, we got to start to ask.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
For the order here, so to speak.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
We got to start saying, you know, whether it's on
deportations or it's on a whole range of things. If
this stuff doesn't happen, when is it supposed to happen?
And Trump's third term, that's a joke.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
It's not happening. When is it going to get done?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
So I do think that there's a little bit of Okay,
we had this speech last night. Yes, it maybe is
another important thing for passing the Save America Act. I mean,
there's I understand why he did it, but I just
felt like there were a lot of things that were
left open ended. By the way, if he's is he
saying that the twenty twenty election because of this?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Is this? What is? Was it stolen because of China?
Is that? Now?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
The is that what people are supposed to think that
China stole the twenty twenty election. If it was in China,
then well you're in charge of the government, so tell
us what happened.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I think all that's very valid. And my biggest does
anyone not say it?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
By the way, anyone light me up if you think that,
explain to me how that's wrong, Like, I want someone
out there to tell me what am I missing here?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I think one of the challenges that we are going
to face is no one is going to write about
this at the New York Times, at the Washington Post,
probably at the Wall Street Journal. And you can say,
so what, Clay. A lot of the ability to chase
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stories comes from there being a motivation to chase stories.
Let me just put it to you this way, Buck,
what written outlet is the equivalent of the New York
Times or the Washington Post on the right. If you're
listening to read me right now and you are a
multi billionaire and you are thinking, Hey, I want to
(12:36):
impact how the political discourse happens in this country, Go
hire a thousand really committed right leaning journalists and give
them full rain to pursue scandal stories like the New
York Times and the Washington Post do, and we may
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start to have a little bit of an equal playing field.
People will point to Fox News. Fox News is a
huge audience. Fox News does not do investigative journalism by
and large as a television network like the New York
Times and the Washington Posts do. My point on this,
Buck is, if this were a Democrat president, they would
hand over all these files and we would see front
(13:17):
page stories in the New York Times, in the Washington
Post four months unpacking all of these files like we
saw with Russia collusion. And I know producer Greg got
a list of everybody already at all these networks saying
this is not a story, there's nothing here. My concern
Buck is even if they're dead to rights. The New
York Post is probably the best example because they did
(13:38):
the Hunter Biden laptop story really well with our friend
Miranda Devine. The New York Post, Noordon ne'ar as big
as the Washington Post or the New York Times. You
got to have deep dives into all of this to
prove it in some way, and I feel like there's
not anybody out there to do it well.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
The other part of this, Clay or maybe this is
just a guiding principle that I'm approaching all of this
with today, hopefully I do this in general. It's no
longer just asking questions time. It's give us the answers time.
And last night there was a lot of important information,
but it did beg certain questions, and I want to.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Know why charges bring charges. Now, this is what are
we waiting for here? If this is going on? And also,
if there are journalists, why can't we know who the journalists?
He can declassify that journalists taking money from China. Let's
know who it is.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
If they're journalists taking money from China to interfere in
a presidential election, let let us know who they are.
If there are illegals who are registered in hundreds of thousands,
are we just not able to catch a single one
of them voting illegally?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Not one? Well, I would think the mere registration would
be a crime. I would think that being registered as
a non citizen if it's not I don't have the
federal statutes in front of me right now, but being
registered as a non citizen to vote should be a crime.
Because of motor voter registration and a lot of DMV
there's a lot of mistakes that are actually made, and
(15:02):
people because they can get drivers' licenses in some states
also registered to vote in some states, you know, because
they I would argue that should be a crime. Like
I mean, if you even if it's unintentional, if you
you know whether you're a citizen or not, like but yes,
I'm that is one of the goals. I mean, we
(15:22):
got so much we can unpack. Let's let's come back
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Speaker 4 (16:57):
Steven Miller of the Trump White House or he is
deputy chief of staff, senior advisor, just running running all
kinds of things there, mister Miller.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Great to have you back, sir.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Thank you, great to be here.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
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Speaker 1 (17:20):
So tell me this, Stephen, because because we've we've sort
of a lot of a lot of our people right
now listening, they watched last night.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
They're up on what the President said to the degree
you can what is the next step? The next stage?
He laid out a lot of Chinese meddling in the election.
He laid out a lot of illegals who are registered.
Are we going to purge those illegals? Are people going
to be taken off the rolls? Are some going to
be prosecuted?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Like?
Speaker 4 (17:48):
What are the action items now that follow that White
House speech by the President last night?
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Yes, well, this is again why the passage of the
Save the Act is existential for the country. Let's take
a few of the different issues that you raised. So
there were so many astonishing and staggering revelations in the
President's speech last night, more than we have time to
get through here, but starting with the China peace so
(18:16):
with the president and it's.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
All online white House dot gov. You can go look
at it.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
What the President disclosed last night were years of intelligence
reports that were kept hidden not only from the American
people but by the deep state from the president, documenting
an explicit Chinese state policy of interfering in US elections
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in order to hurt President Trump and help President Trump's
political opponents. This was an official goal of the Chinese
Communist Party. If you know anything about the CCP, you
know that they are a highly competent organization.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Right.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
This is not like saying that we found out that
the government of Eritrea decided to meddle in elections That
would be bad.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Wouldn't like it.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
But the CCP has extraordinary technological capabilities and extraordinary resources
to achieve its ends and objectives, and as part of that,
they were able to illegally steal and obtain tens of
millions of America's voter records, which of course can be
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used in all manner of ways to interfere in account
of any number of different elections. Because once you have
voters information, once you have their dobs, you have where
they live, you have their signatures. We have that information,
of course, is very easy to create artificial voting records.
These same intelligence documents also showed that the kinds of
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election hardware for digital voting, the counting systems that we
use in America, are easily hackable, and they could be
hacked without using a trace. So imagine just combining those
two facts right in your mind.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
You have a powerful.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
State actor trying to interfere in your elections, and you
have election software that is easily exploitable. Right, these are
incredibly deeply alarming facts. And then on the point about
illegal aliens, so DHS is found just an a cursory examination,
a quarter million non citizens who are on our federal
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election roles, and that doesn't include all of the blue
state registrations because blue states have refused to turn over
their voter files. So California and New York, Illinois, et cetera,
haven't shared any voting systems or voting records. But you
put all this together and what you have. One other
important point is the fact that the FBI uncovered a
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election rigging scheme in Michigan in twenty twenty and again
concealed it from the president, and the Biden administration buried it.
So is what we talk about all the time, right
The idea that an NGO is paying foot soldiers to
fraudulently fill out ballots to change the count was actually
happening in the middle of the election season, and it
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was killed and buried and kept for the American people.
And of course that that kind of thing is happening
in one place, it's happening everywhere there's a Democrat machine.
The bottom line is that the US election system is
the most unsecured election system in the world. The question
isn't how could you penetrate it? The question is could
you ever have enough time in a day to list
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the different ways that you could penetrate it. There's a.
There's a post on the excess going viral right now
where a customer is a real thing. A customer at
the Olive Garden was setting a question to All of
Garden management asking if they if they're All you Can
Eat Summer pass could be shared with their family members,
(21:54):
and the All of Garden Corporate replied and they said, no,
your card has a barcode you that relate solely to you,
and you must present a photo ID with your All
you Could Eat Pasta pass in order to access All
you Can Eat pasta So we've reached the points of
society where access to Setichini at Olive Gardens is vastly
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more secure than deciding who is Commander in Chief of
the country.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I love that analogy. Alfredo is delicious to be fair,
and people can get pretty heavy hearing.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
I'm not making light of that, and good to Olive
Gardener for doing so.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah. Look, I mean I think it goes to what
a lot of people out there are frustrated by, which
is the credit card companies. If somebody uses your credit card,
or even maybe if your wife uses a credit card
in the way that maybe she hasn't in the past,
they will immediately contact you. They can see when there
is an a barent result with that. You just used
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it as an example of the Olive Garden the Save
America Act. This audience, as with most of America, overwhelmingly
is in favor of it passing. But if it is
not going to pass unfortunately, are there ways to prosecute
individuals associated with what the President laid out last night
through the executive branch? Should we expect something in that direction?
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Yes, I mean basically what you're what you're left with
at that point in time is having to individually infiltrate
and investigate schemes to reg elections. So the challenges becomes
one of scale. And again, you guys know this as
well as anybody the You know, the entire FBI has
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eleven thousand specialations, and you know, like the New York
City Police Department has thirty three thousand police officers. So
the whole FBI with all this missions, you know, counter terrorism,
counter drug, counter espionage, so on and so forth. Right,
there's eleven thousand people for the whole country. So when
you're talking about schemes in Detroit and Los Angeles and
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Manhattan and so on and so forth, the resources to
interrupt and investigate every single NGO worker, every single union worker,
every single individual who might be engaging in illicit ballot harvesting,
signature forging, anything of that nature is vast. But yes,
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to answer your question, we are developing plans as we speak.
I've been in more than a few meetings about it
to make sure that as we head into the election
season that our federal law enforcement is prepared to the
greatest excess of their ability to identify and disrupt these skids.
But ultimately, you have to have a national secure election infrastructure.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Talking to Stephen Miller, Deputy White House Chief of Staff
for President Donald Trump, Stephen got to ask you about
what's coming for deportation operations, and this is critical to
people who voted for Trump in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Is one of the core promises.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
How do you view what's gone on so far and
what should people be prepared for going forward?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Well, great question, so it look.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
The good news for you when you're listening audience is
that the daily deportation rate right now is the highest
it has been since we've been in office. And the
menim woman Ice deserve enormous credit for continuing to get
those numbers up. In addition, the administration is severely cracking
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down on the CDL that's the commercial driver's license fraud.
So I think it's probably a good estimate about a
third of the nation's CDLs commercial driver's licenses have been
issued to illegal aliens, and so you have this massive
public safety issue. We've begun the process. It's also a
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job theft issue, of course too, but we've begun the
process of identifying the firms the contractors that are engaging
criminal activity, and they're going to begin to see a
very severe crackdown. The early reports have gotten on that
are very promising. And then we also have begun in
earnest implementing our banking integrity measures. So you may remember
(26:13):
President Trump sign that executive order a few weeks ago
saying that we are not going to allow with legal
aliens to use banking services in this country, you know country.
To popular perception, the stupid phrase about living in the shadows,
illegally aliens don't live in the shadows. Legal aliens have
credit cards, they have bank accounts, and their paid with
direct deposit. So illegal aliens fully participate in the commercial systems.
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The financial systems of America shutting that down as a
massive engine for deportation. And so the Treasure Department just
issued new guidance to financial institutions to banks, and so
the next step in this process is US meeting individually
with banks and financial institutions on cooperating with US to
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remove illegal aliens from the banking So once should thego
aliens lose their access to capital, that is going to
again be a major driver of self deportations. These are
examples of a few of the things that we're doing
to really get those numbers up dramatically and get people
out of this country who don't belong here.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
We got less than a minute left. Congratulations on the
newest baby, Buck and I have your fourth kid. You
and your wife Katie, uh Will we get a Lewis
and Clark series. You and I talked about it at
the White House Correspondence dinner. You got thirty seconds to
make it happen.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
You and I need to become the executive producers.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
You men will be the I don't.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
It's almost unfair. It's your idea. I shouldn't get any
of the IP. But this is two it together. Let's
make it happen, and we'll bring into the American people.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
You're with me, You're gonna be an exact Okay, we're
gonna make this happen. Steven Miller, Clay Travis. We may
give Bucket production credit. We're gonna make Lewis and Clark happen.
We've got to set this up. Keep up the good work, Steve,
and we know how busy you are. Congrats again on
that baby, and we'll talk to you again soon. Team.
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Can we share the YouTube link from the Clay and
Buck account on Twitter? I will retweet that we are excited.
We've had an awesome week with so many of you
and a lot of you watching on YouTube. Thousands of
you every minute on YouTube, which is very cool. We
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one and we have been talking about a lot of
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different subjects, but I saw this a little bit earlier today, Buck,
and I was curious what the reaction is out there
to this, And then I'm going to ask Buck whether
he's gonna go see The Odyssey because he hates going
to movies and that's a major movie release today. But
CNBC poll Buck, this jumped out of me. I thought
it was interesting. Twoenty eighteen. What is the state of
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the economy two thousand and sixteen when Trump got elected?
Average minus five. In other words, people are pessimistic on
the economy by twenty eighteen plus forty eight. I think
it's important to remember a lot of the discussion about
China stealing two hundred and twenty million voter files, remember
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that in February of twenty twenty, we had one of
the hottest economies in the history of the world, right
as COVID hit. And I would just ask you, I'm
not gonna go full conspiracist on this, but isn't it
interesting that COVID escaped from a Chinese lab right as
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President Trump was poised, I think, to win reelection in
twenty twenty, right as the economy was at its absolute apex.
It is interesting, I think to contemplate that plus forty
eight Buck in twenty eighteen, everybody was ecstatic about how
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good the economy was. Twenty twenty the lingering effects plus six,
and then it fell off in the Biden era, off
the face of the Earth twenty twenty two, right at
the peak of inflation minus thirty three, twenty twenty four,
minus thirty six. CNBC just polled July twenty twenty six
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minus fourteen. Not great, but significantly improved compared to where
it was in twenty two and twenty four. Why do
I bring that up? Just putting a pin in this,
Just think about it. The economy. People are starting to
feel a bit better than they did in twenty two
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and in twenty four. So obviously, what happens with iron,
what the situation is with gas prices, all of that
factors in. But I do think there are some green
shoots positively sprouting up where some people are starting to
feel a bit better about things than they were. All Right,
(31:29):
it's a final hour of the week. We can have
some fun. We'll take some calls. We got a lot
of funny talkbacks from many of you. Buck a lot
of discussion surrounding The Odyssey, this new movie that is
being released. Everybody is talking about the Odyssey and the
Christopher Nolan film. You do not like going to movie
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theaters because people are too loud, because people sometimes they
get on their phones, who you don't care about any
korum whatsoever. They don't think about other people.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
They talk, they look at their phones, and they don't
think that the bright screens are distracting while you're trying
to actually enjoy the movie. Also, this is even worse.
It's almost like trying to fly an airline these days.
They'll just keep you there prisoner for thirty minutes before
the movie, watching commercials like I saw.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
It twenty minutes late for every movie now because they're
gonna give you a full half hour of commercials and advertisements.
And if you don't want to watch that, I will
say The positive is most places now you have a
reserve seat, so you don't have to worry about coming
in And am I gonna end up on the front
row on the edge, which is basically impossible to watch
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a to watch a movie. So will you go watch
the Odyssey? Will you go to a movie theater? Or
because of the woke elements this Elliott Ellen Page Helen
of Troy, did I say this on a if they
had just made Zendia the Helen of Troy, nobody would
have complained about it. It's a strange thing to decide
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to do. For Christopher Nolan, are you going to go
see it? Not see it? How would you assess?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
So?
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I will not go to the movie theater because of
what we discussed before. I've been burned too many times,
just not worth it. There's always someone, there's always someone
who is so annoying. You would think that it would
all have gotten better too, because the problem with going
to movies at the peak of movies being great was structural.
You often had if somebody had I'm just gonna say
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it in front of you, had big hair or like me,
a big head, you were in a rough spot because
they didn't really have proper stadium seating. It was on
the slant. Movie theaters weren't built very well. So if
someone was wearing a hat, you know, some kind of
like a Kentucky Derby big hat, you were in trouble.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
But at least you wanted to go to the movie.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
And then remember where they used to also have kind
of the free for all where they'd finally let you
in and it was like run like everyone got their
seats to.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Try to get everything. I think having assigned seats. I
was initially like, h do you really want to have
assigned seats in movie theaters? I actually think it's way better,
Like I infinitely rush. But the problem is no longer
the structural setup for movies. It's the people.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
People in movies think that they can talk and they
don't care, and they'll use their phones and they don't
care if people are rude. So that's part one, Part two.
Will I see the Odyssey? Ever?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
As in what I pay to watch it at home?
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I want the Young Washington movie to come out on
demand because I'm I'll gladly pay twenty bucks. I'd pay whatever,
thirty bucks, whatever it would be to see it while
it's still in theaters.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
But I want to watch it at home.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
I want to watch it with my Ginger Spice next
to me and speed and carry, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I want to do it on my own terms.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
The Odyssey is the problems that people have had with
it so far as I've seen it's Is it good
when it comes to the historical respect for the text,
the original Odyssey, the Homeric Epic?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
And then is it uh? Too woke. Those are the
criticisms that we see. I'll start with the second one.
I don't really I don't really care.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
If it's still a good movie, meaning if they want
to do the like diversity thing, which they've done obviously,
and it's a good movie. I can appreciate it for entertainment.
On the first part of it as well, I can
appreciate it for entertainment, but it's it's.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Almost like, uh, you know, the DEA.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
It's point pluses and minuses, right, the DEI thing, plus
the is it respecting the original text thing. I can
still say it's a great movie for its entertainment purposes,
but it's going to be a high bar, and I
think the chance of it clearing that bar for me
Clay is very very low. So I will watch it
at home when I can, so that I can see
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what has been done. But I'm also I'm rare in
the this is where everyone yells at me. Although people
have come around. I used to say Quentin Tarantino is overrated,
and now people go back and look, some of the movies,
so violent, so much, so, many racial slurs, all this stuff.
You don't you don't actually need to subject yourself to
this Quintin Tarantino's actually not a lot of the movies
are just not very good, And then now people don't
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yell at me for that as much. Christopher Nolan I
think is overrated. I don't think he's bad. I think
he's made some very entertaining movies. I think the Batman
movies are very good. But I think that some of
the other movies he's made. I mean, Oppenheimer just sucked,
and people can get mad at me for saying it.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
They're wrong.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
It was super boring and long and ponderous, and it
made it seem like the bad.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
People were the people. I've still never seen it, So
there's this whole thing about like, oh my gosh, like
they're also freaked out.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
It was supposed to be an allegory for Hollywood and
blacklisting of communists. Yeah, they actually broke into our nuclear
program the comedies and stole nuclear stuff so they could
make nukes.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Like it happened. So the movie, the whole Oppenheimer thing
is like, oh, they're being so paranoid about the car. No,
what happened. They did it, and we had that. We
actually ended up executing Julius and Ethel Rosenberg for stealing
nuclear secrets, one of the only times we've ever executed
a woman in the history of the United States. By
the way, but that whole movie is like, oh, it's
so bad with the red Scare and everything else.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Oppenheimer's trash and everyone should know it's trash. And I
think it won Best Picture, right That tells you a lot.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I'm in many ways, So I think this all kind
of ties in. By the way, President Trump is leaving
right now for New York City. He's going to attend
the championship game between Argentina and Spain in New York
City and he's going to be presenting the trophy there.
And I don't know if this is public yet, but
(37:47):
I'll just say it sometimes that's a little bit dangerous.
I also know he's doing an interview with Fox Sports
that will air during the World Cup coverage and he's
supposed to be on the field to present the World
Cup trophy, which if you want to see people really
lose their mind, get ready for that. So Trump is
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going to be at the World Cup at the final match,
and it should be quite a scene. I hope that
the weather ends up being okay. I feel like Buck,
we have entered a world where I was looking at Netflix,
streaming is starting to collapse, and I wonder on some
level whether movies, this is an interesting question, are going
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to get eventified like concerts and sporting events have, where
people spend way more to go to have the experience
of being around people. You get this that the the
AI world that we're creating where everything is fake, much
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of it right, much of what you see online. You
can't tell what video is real, you can't tell what
pictures are real. Everything else. Is it going to continue
to create a world where live is going to matter
even more? I think the answer is yes, and the
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live experience of going to a movie theater. Concerts have
never cost more or been more popular. Sporting events have
never cost more or been more popular. I feel like
there's a desperate desire to connect with other humans, and
I think one reason the Odyssey is becoming popular. Or
back in the day you mentioned Oppenheimer. Remember they had
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the Barbenheimer where people were going to see Oppenheimer and
Barbie back to back. It was kind of this thing.
You don't remember that trend? No, you never saw that trend. Oh,
this is a huge trend. I might be the only
person who's aware of this trend, but it was a
pretty big trend. Barbenheimer, I think that we're starting to
see a desperate desire for in person events and live
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events accelerate in a streaming era, and there's less and
less interest in the streaming world. Am I crazy about this?
By the way, I just shared our YouTube. You can
experience that in real time with us Live. I just
feel like live in person, real human events are starting
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to skyrocket in popularity, and I feel like that may continue,
and I may go see The Odyssey.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
You will go see the Odyssey and you will like it.
Because you actually said Gladiator two is not a terrible movie,
which I wasn't a terrible movie.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
I'm one of the worst movies ever made. No, it
was not one of the worst movies ever made. For
from the fall off of Gladiator one too. If you're
looking at that delta, if you're looking at the distance
between Gladiator one and Gladiator two, I would I would
argue it is the worst sequel ever made. No, that
is a crazy take, like, no compared to the original movie,
(40:56):
the worst sequel compared to the original movie of all time?
All time. I'm in now I have to think about
what the worst sequels of all time are. You guys
can help me. I mean, they know this is a
crazy take. There are a lot of like they made.
They made sequels to movies that weren't even very good.
So I guess your argument is great movie talking about
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about the delta between the two Yes, the drop off
between the first and the second movie. I think gladi here,
which I think is one of the best movies ever made,
Gladiator two is the biggest falloff of any movie sequel
ever ever. Oh Man, exactly. This is a super strong
take by you. I am in the process of trying
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to see what I've thought of is what are good sequels?
Sequels that are better? Godfather too arguably simpol of, Doom's
not better, but there are trilogies that are better. The
third one is often awful. What's the worst drop off
for number two of all time? That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
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Speaker 1 (43:16):
Buck has made a strong Friday Final Hour argument. Not
gonna lie that the worst drop off from great film.
It is fair. We agree that Gladiator the originally is
original is a great film. The worst drop off of
all time is Gladiator too. I think that's a crazy take.
(43:36):
I have punched back with Jaws two, which is an abomination,
Exorcist two, which nobody even knew existed, and uh and speed.
I gotta I gotta make a couple of like a
little adjustments here. Okay.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
First of all, Jaws two is like fifty six percent
on Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I don't know why that's on Groc, all right, So
Groc told me it was a zero. So I'm throwing
Groc under the bus. Is no movies as zero? Okay,
I thought, I thought it seems suspicious, but I was
that's crazy. You put it in front of me and
I'll read it. I I'm I have to, especially if
it benefits my argument. Look, it's it's a it's a
cheap uh you know rip off Jaws two is not
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a good movie. But it's the same cast, the same thing. Oh,
there's another shark and they're gonna it's gonna eat the kids,
and they're gonna save them from the shark. I mean,
it's not like I don't even know what happened in Gladiators.
I'm watching this. This is the worst thing I've ever
seen in mine. There's like there's like the Twins where
the princes or something who are running everything. The whole
thing was so horrible. The lead guy, I've never heard
of him before or since. Denzel Washington is a great actor.
(44:38):
I think if there's a great actor in a film,
it keeps it from being the worst ever made. Oh
I know, sure, I disagree, and one of the best
actors of our generation broadly defined. I think that's fair.
And I think his performance in Gladiator Too is solid,
Like he didn't mail it in, even though they might
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not like the script. We have a bunch of callers
who went away in. People feel passionately about this one.
Greg and Rhode Island. Greg, You're worst. Some of these
are gonna be very funny. Okay, what's the worst drop
off from a great movie too. So yeah, well, Buck,
choice two is not that bad. Thank you, hang up
(45:19):
on him. We can't. He can't be trusted. This is
tough because you and we can at Bernie's Two unbelievable.
He's like, no, no, but here's the problem, sir, sir,
excuse me, sir, excuse me. We can at Bernie's One
is a terrible movie. You gotta tell you it has
to be great, a terrible movie. This is where Greg
(45:40):
I have to agree with Buck, like we're talking about
really good movies. We get at Bernie's One. I get you,
and we've had fun with this because we said Biden's
second term was weekend at Bernie's two. Weekend at Bernie's
guy dies. They have to pretend he's still alive. We
get at Bernie's Two, Like the conceit of the movie
is difficult. Well, the problem is Buck's correct. We kid
(46:02):
at Bernie's One was not a great movie. Yet it's
a terrible movie. It's a terrible movie. It's thank you
for the call. This is just what I agree with
you on this. Uh okay, and David, I can I'll
tell you what I think is in the lead, right
now for actual competition here. But the only reason I
think I still am I'm the winner on this is
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because Gladiator is a great movie. I think Speed is
a very good movie. Speed two on the Cruise Ship
is an abomination of a movie. Keanu Reeves is not
in it. It's like, uh, what's the guy's name? A
sign that the second is a real drop off is
if the star of the first, who was not killed, right, obviously,
(46:47):
even still though sometimes bring him back, is not in
the second, right? Uh, Keanu Reeves, I can't even remember
who was in the Speed too? Did they bring back
Sondra Bullock?
Speaker 5 (46:56):
Right?
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Jason Patrick was? Who was the Keanu character so to speak?
Speaker 1 (47:01):
In Speed?
Speaker 4 (47:01):
To Sondra Bullock I think was back. I'm sure she
wants to forget this one.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Okay, Yeah, you're not gonna be able to keep a
straight face here, David in Texas a great movie that
was ruined by the second movie. Your argument is fire
away all. Thanks for having me on the show. Appreciate it.
Joe Dirt to you sucked. Joe Dirt was horrible, but
(47:27):
you're okay. Joe Dirt to be bad. I think a
lot of people might agree your argument is Joe Dirt
was a fantastic film, like basically the Citizen Kane of
the Dirt Ensemble films.
Speaker 5 (47:41):
Yeah, even after about the sixteenth time watching.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
It, he did, gum right, if I want to laugh,
that's what I watch. Thank younk. All right. I think
it's a tough putt to sink. This is like, you know,
putting on glass from four hundred yards away. It's hard
to argue Joe Dirt was a great film. You know what?
You know, what does make the list?
Speaker 4 (48:01):
I had groc pull up a list of like the
based on the internet commentary on this.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
What the because this I didn't really this is. People
have been debating this for some time now. This is
a question that has come up before basic instinct two.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
I didn't know that existed. So let's start with this.
Sharon Stone, she's a lot older.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Okay, I'm just I'm not trying to be she didn't yet. No,
I know it is Michael. I didn't know. I'm saying
I didn't even know it is Michael Douglas also in it.
She's a little older, a little more zoftig, a little
less uh Sharon Stone like, And it's I have not
seen it, but it is apparently a terrible, terrible movie.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
The Sting Too, which they're based the original Sting is
an Oscar winner great movie.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Sting Too. I didn't even know there was one. I
think that this might be unfair, but I think you
could potentially argue Disney made a lot of direct to
video movies like Beauty and the Beast two is really.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
Bad compared to releasing Now we got. We gotta keep
it consist. It has to be released in theaters. It
can't be some b movie that HBO three used to
put on at like two am. Some of those movies
were kind of spicy. Uh, can't be those things. It
has to be like a real in theater release by
a studio follow up to a great movie. I didn't
know there was a There was a Jim Carrey Mask sequel,
(49:27):
Son of the Mask. If you've got Jamie Kennedy, yikes.
Jamie Kennedy replaces Jim Carrey and it is apparently an
utter disaster.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Tough to argue. I think The Mask is an amazing film. Again,
I think this is where your argument is actually not
a bad one. Bob and Nebraska, would we agree, Rocky
very good film. They're making now a new the making
of Rocky movie, which is gonna be good. But no,
your argument, Bob is Rocky two is a tremendous drop off. Correct, three, four,
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and five were great. I'm looking forward to the new
Rocky movie coming out. But Rocky one was great, Rocky
two horrible. Movie interesting. I mean, I'm gonna tell you, look,
I can't remember it.
Speaker 4 (50:16):
To be fair, Rocky two came out in nineteen seventy nine,
and the to mom, tomote, what is it? Tomata meter,
Tomata tomato meter, thank you, thank you? So you say tomato,
I say to the tomato meter is at eighty as
at sixty eight percent for Rocky two, and the popcorn meter,
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meaning the audience response is eighty two percent. So guys,
I'm sorry, that's not even that's like people like Rocky too.
I don't think anyone say Rocky two, I will say,
And I don't want to expand the category to the
trilogies because then things will really get nuts. But my
mom pointed out via text that for fans of the
Godfather franchise, Godfather one and two, So I think Clay,
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didn't you think if they nailed one and too like
Lord of the Rings. You knew Lord of the Rings three.
If you liked one and two, you knew three was
gonna be exactly what the doctor ordered. You knew it
was gonna be on point after Godfather one in two.
I think a lot of in our parents' generation, a
lot of people the Godfather movies are like top five
top ten.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Movie, greatest movies ever made. I think you can some
of the greatest movies ever made.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
A lot of people from that generation, I think, particularly
say that Godfather three is apparently you can't get through it.
It's so bad you can't actually get through in enjoying
the movie.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
So yeah, by the way, we got a good talk
back here from Let's see Uh Oh oh Oh is
just a montage with a bunch of listener lists that
has been put together tons of you reaching out from
producer Greg another montage. This's the first time we've ever
had double montages. Fire Away Cut Oh, Grease to.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Blues Brothers Too.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
I think the world's worst second movie is got be
the Ghostbusters.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Worst fall off in history, Highlander two.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
The worst sequel ever made was Anchorman two B two,
Caddyshack to Caddy Shat two Hands down Independence Day Resurgence.
Worst sequel of.
Speaker 5 (52:20):
All time is The Wonder Woman to Wonder Woman nineteen
eighty four or whatever it was called, Smoky Undemanded.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Two Gladiator to not only the worst sequel of all time,
possibly the worst movie of all time.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
The worst drop off between the first and second is
coming to America and coming to America as the sequel
The Matrix two.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
I mean, okay, that is a good that was that
was a really solid You guys are really nailing this
for the most part, I would say, some of you,
I think, are really just going though with the worst
sequel ever made, which is it again? We gotta we
gotta keep this tight. It's the biggest drop off two
the sequel. So, for example, you say Blues Brothers, maybe
(53:03):
you enjoyed the first Blues Brothers is not a great movie.
People aren't sitting around years decades later saying, you know
what's a great movie? Blues Okay, it's fine. Blues Brothers two,
I'm sure was an absolute abomination. Some of them that
got added in the list. I do like the Highlander movie,
and I did see on VHS The Highlander two, the Quickening.
I don't think it's a great movie the first one,
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but is the drop off is a huge drop off.
So I would put that I disagree with the Caddyshack
two person by the way, I thought Caddyshack two it
wasn't as good as one, but it was watchable.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
I would also disagree on Maybe I'm being biased because
sometimes now I see these movies through the eyes of
my kids. My kids loved Ghostbuster two, Like I know
that Ghostbusters is iconic in many ways because of the
way it was done. But I didn't think Ghostbusters two
was truly atrocious.
Speaker 4 (53:56):
And Greg and our show chat is throwing round house
kicks in the Ghostbusters two's face. And let me say,
I'm gonna Chris, Greg, I can't. I wish I could.
I can't back you up on this one. The ooze
thing with the pink and the singing and everything was lame.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
It was lame. But Vigo in the Paintings super scary. Lego,
he was scary. And here's a.
Speaker 4 (54:15):
Little factoid for you guys. Vigo in the painting is
an actor. He's a German actor who was in die
Hard and is it helps in die Hard set up
the missile that they blow up the Armored Personnel Carrier
with so Vigo was in a few movies. But I
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don't think that Ghostbusters two is that bad. It's pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
You have laid out a good criteria here, and again
the movie has to be great, which eliminates what ninety
percent of movies off the start, I mean, you had
to be a really good film. Now, typically you don't
make sequels for movies that were not successful, but we
ever do.
Speaker 4 (54:57):
Did you ever tell us what the worst movie you
ever saw in a movie theater? Again, that has to
be non including like made for TV, direct release or
whatever in a theater, the worst movie you've ever seen?
Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, and I'm gonna throw my mom under the bus here,
happy birthday. On her birthday, I'm throwing her under the bus.
But at some point we would. We saw a lot
of movies back in the day. Our parents, when my
sister and I were young, took us to see a
movie called The Accidental Tourist, which was supposed to They
thought it was like a comedy movie, and it was
(55:29):
like the most depressing, awful movie for an eight year
old to ever see. And so I remember sitting there
thinking this movie is never gonna end. I also went
on a date to see The English Patient and The
English Patient is I'm not sure exactly run time. I
think it was forty six hours. It just the movie
(55:51):
would not end, and I think it ended up winning
like an Oscar or whatever.
Speaker 4 (55:55):
Yeah, I know a bunch of Oscars and it is
a trash movie.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
I've seen it. Oh well, it just lasts forever, right,
I mean, those would be ones that would immediately come
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Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Friday edition, Clay and Buck,
we got a lot to dive into with you. Just
off the top, FYI, Steven Miller, Deputy Chief of Staff,
one of I would say probably the three most powerful
people working inside of the White House that is not
(00:21):
an elected official. He will join us at twelve forty
five at the bottom of this hour to discuss many
different topics currently at the top of the agenda in
the Trump White House, So just put that on your radar.
May also discuss Bloodsport, Karate Kid, and others of his
favorite movies. He's been coming on for years now. But Buck,
(00:45):
I think pretty clearly right off the top here, the
Trump speech last night at nine pm Eastern, about twenty
five minutes, laid out two things that I thought were
the most significant, and then we will kind of breakdown
what we think the significance of these two assertions from
him were. First of all, he said that two hundred
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and twenty million voter files have been hacked by China.
This is cut four listen.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Over a period of years, starting during the twenty twenty
election cycle, the People's Republic of China carried out what
is believed to be the largest compromise of election data
in history, resulting in China's illicit acquisition of two hundred
and twenty million US voter files. That information includes names, addresses,
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phone numbers, political party preferences, another sensitive data that would
be needed to register to vote and engage in other
nefarious activities, which is exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
What was happening.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
This data loss presents an unprecedented election security nightmare.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Okay, one cut there. The second part that I thought
was the most significant, buck and I'm curious if you
would sign off on this. Let's hear it from President Trump.
He says, two hundred and seventy eight thousand that we
know of non citizens are registered voters in our federal elections.
That's cut twelve to.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Reveal just how vulnerable elections continue to be. We are
releasing the results of a stunning investigation by the Department
of Homeland Security. According to the DHS review state voter
rows and public records, they identified approximately two hundred and
seventy eight thousand non citizens who are registered to vote
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in federal elections. Since Democrat states refused to share their
voter files. The real number is actually much higher than that.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay, one more Mark Waynemullen, DHS secretary earlier today. I
believe he said, yes, that is true. And these numbers
come from just four Statesifornia, in New Jersey, Nevada, and
Pennsylvania cut one.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Two hundred and fifty thousand non citizens registered to vote
and just four states. Mind you, we have forty six
other states and just four states. We've identified two hundred
and fifty thousand non citizens registered to vote in California
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and Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Nevada. We also worked with
proactive states to identify twenty eight thousand non citizens on
their voter rules, plus four hundred thousand individuals that are
still registered to vote that are deceased.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Okay, Buck this speech last night, like I said twenty
five minutes, I would almost guarantee you that the same
people who told you you, as we discussed yesterday, that
one hundred thousand dollars spent on Facebook ads rigged the
election for Russia, and we had to treat Russia collusion
(04:10):
as the most important story in all of the country
in twenty sixteen, and the Komi Report and everything else
associated with it. They will all tell you that everything
Trump said last night is either a lie or it
is not important. And we've got some cuts on that.
But what was your reaction to last night? Did anything
other than those kind of points that we just played
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jump out to you?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Well, I have more questions as a result of the
information that was shared last night. I think it's important
for people to know the scale of, first of all,
the vulnerabilities in our elections. So I'm glad the president
shared that information publicly. But for example, on the issue
(04:55):
of journalists getting paid, yeah, to write story or he's
getting paid by China to write stories?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Okay, who I want to know? Who?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
If you're telling me that there are journalists that received
money that receive money in order to write negative stories
about the now you could say whether that's.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You know, legal or not. I think it is probably legal.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
But the point is, all right, if you have this information,
let's know this information. And then on the issue of
the people who are illegals who are registered to vote,
or the foreigners basically who are registered to vote, are
they voting, If they are voting, tell us about the voting.
If they are voting, why can't we catch them voting.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I mean, so this is the thing.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
He's laid out, this information, and a lot of it
is oh my gosh, there are vulnerabilities.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Okay. Are the vulnerabilities being exploited? Though? Is the next step?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
And I need to know if they have that information
or not, because that's obviously the most critical thing is
whether they're actually.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Acting on this. Right.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
It's one thing to say a lot of people could
be voting illegally.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Are they voting illegally? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
You know, and the Chinese influence operation against us? Of
course they're doing it. Look for Trump, this is all
I get it. It's all very personal because of the
Russia collusion lie. The whole thing was absurd. So he's
pointing out, look, of course the Chinese want sleepy Joe
Biden instead of me, and they were running influence operations
and stuff. But for anyone who's saying no, buck, this
is really important. Is anybody going to jail over anything
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he said last night? Is one single person going to
be prosecuted for all of the stuff that he talked
about last night? I would say no, I don't think so.
And if that's the case, I would want to know why.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I would echo that I would also say, even go
to prison or any of that. Are we just gonna
get any charges associated with this? And so the part
that I thought was tenuous is, Hey, our voting machines
can be hacked. There has been a lot of discussion
(07:13):
about that in the past. If the voting machines can
be hacked, there have been tons of lawsuits associated with this.
We need to have way more information about what could
happen for voting machines, And in particular, he cited Maduro
in Venezuela, which may be a particularly unique situation there.
(07:34):
But I do think in general this was different than
what I thought President Trump might say because he didn't
focus so much on twenty twenty. It was more looking
forward prospectively. And this is where I do think Trump
has a little bit of opportunity here. I don't think
(07:58):
President Trump cares that desk about what happens in the midterm. Again,
he's going to campaign hard, He's gonna work hard to
try to keep the House and the Senate. But I
think President Trump is super frustrated with the lack of
things done by the Republican House and the Republican Senate.
And I think on some level he has resigned himself
(08:19):
to he is going to be able to do more
things through executive order than he's going to be able
to do through Congress passing anything. And we've almost reached
the point buck the Senate goes on recess for like
two weeks in August. I mean they're about to shut
down and then they're not going to pass anything during
the actual season of the campaigning season, right. So I
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just feel like, to a large extent, congressional action is finished.
And that might be a pessimistic take, but I feel
like Trump isn't that motivated. Because I was watching MSNBC
and their headline is Trump is terrified that he's going
to lose Congress. I don't think he's actually that. I mean,
he's already been No, he's esecuted, and the threats that
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he's faced in the past, like this is a small one.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Trump has been shot. He's not terrified of the Republican Congress.
He'll be Okay, that's a desperate a desperate plea for
viewers and attention from MSNBC or CNN or whatever. But Clay,
for example, because anyone is saying, well, why are you
talking about the people that might be prosecuted or and
by the way, maybe consequences not just prosecution, for example,
(09:30):
getting fired. Trump said, we didn't play nine yet, did
we know?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Trump said last night the following, I want you to
listen to this and we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Play nine.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
One email among intelligence analysts admitted that they had quote
deliberately massaged the Presidential Daily Briefing to withold information regarding
Chinese activities related to the election. Another official inside the
FBI wrote that she was running quote a shadow government
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to keep intelligence about China's election meddling from becoming known
and to keep it away from the honorable press. Other
officials who witness such efforts perceive the motivations to be
blatantly political.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Okay, have those people been fired? Maybe the answer is yes.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Maybe.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
But if the answer is yes, why wouldn't they tell
us that.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
This is the part of this where I'm frustrated because people,
there's a lot of like, but the bureaucracy works against Trump,
and you know, the swamp is thick and deep, and
it's mean to him.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
And yeah, we get all that, he's the president, he's
halfway through his second term. If not now, when you know.
I mean people, we got to start to ask.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
For the order here, so to speak.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
We got to start saying, you know, whether it's on
deportations or it's on a whole range of things. If
this stuff doesn't happen, when is it supposed to happen?
And Trump's third term, that's a joke.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
It's not happening. When is it going to get done?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
So I do think that there's a little bit of Okay,
we had this speech last night. Yes, it maybe is
another important thing for passing the Save America Act. I mean,
there's I understand why he did it, but I just
felt like there were a lot of things that were
left open ended. By the way, if he's is he
saying that the twenty twenty election because of this?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Is this? What is? Was it stolen because of China?
Is that? Now?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
The is that what people are supposed to think that
China stole the twenty twenty election. If it was in China,
then well you're in charge of the government, so tell
us what happened.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I think all that's very valid. And my biggest does
anyone not say it?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
By the way, anyone light me up if you think that,
explain to me how that's wrong, Like, I want someone
out there to tell me what am I missing here?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I think one of the challenges that we are going
to face is no one is going to write about
this at the New York Times, at the Washington Post,
probably at the Wall Street Journal. And you can say,
so what, Clay. A lot of the ability to chase
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stories comes from there being a motivation to chase stories.
Let me just put it to you this way, Buck,
what written outlet is the equivalent of the New York
Times or the Washington Post on the right. If you're
listening to read me right now and you are a
multi billionaire and you are thinking, Hey, I want to
(12:36):
impact how the political discourse happens in this country, Go
hire a thousand really committed right leaning journalists and give
them full rain to pursue scandal stories like the New
York Times and the Washington Post do, and we may
(12:56):
start to have a little bit of an equal playing field.
People will point to Fox News. Fox News is a
huge audience. Fox News does not do investigative journalism by
and large as a television network like the New York
Times and the Washington Posts do. My point on this,
Buck is, if this were a Democrat president, they would
hand over all these files and we would see front
(13:17):
page stories in the New York Times, in the Washington
Post four months unpacking all of these files like we
saw with Russia collusion. And I know producer Greg got
a list of everybody already at all these networks saying
this is not a story, there's nothing here. My concern
Buck is even if they're dead to rights. The New
York Post is probably the best example because they did
(13:38):
the Hunter Biden laptop story really well with our friend
Miranda Devine. The New York Post, Noordon ne'ar as big
as the Washington Post or the New York Times. You
got to have deep dives into all of this to
prove it in some way, and I feel like there's
not anybody out there to do it well.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
The other part of this, Clay or maybe this is
just a guiding principle that I'm approaching all of this
with today, hopefully I do this in general. It's no
longer just asking questions time. It's give us the answers time.
And last night there was a lot of important information,
but it did beg certain questions, and I want to.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Know why charges bring charges. Now, this is what are
we waiting for here? If this is going on? And also,
if there are journalists, why can't we know who the journalists?
He can declassify that journalists taking money from China. Let's
know who it is.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
If they're journalists taking money from China to interfere in
a presidential election, let let us know who they are.
If there are illegals who are registered in hundreds of thousands,
are we just not able to catch a single one
of them voting illegally?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Not one? Well, I would think the mere registration would
be a crime. I would think that being registered as
a non citizen if it's not I don't have the
federal statutes in front of me right now, but being
registered as a non citizen to vote should be a crime.
Because of motor voter registration and a lot of DMV
there's a lot of mistakes that are actually made, and
(15:02):
people because they can get drivers' licenses in some states
also registered to vote in some states, you know, because
they I would argue that should be a crime. Like
I mean, if you even if it's unintentional, if you
you know whether you're a citizen or not, like but yes,
I'm that is one of the goals. I mean, we
(15:22):
got so much we can unpack. Let's let's come back
and we'll continue to talk about all of this. But
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Speaker 4 (16:57):
Steven Miller of the Trump White House or he is
deputy chief of staff, senior advisor, just running running all
kinds of things there, mister Miller.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Great to have you back, sir.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Thank you, great to be here.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And great Mumper music. By the way, I love.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
That thank you ed as a classic. We also we
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or later Van Hill and stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So tell me this, Stephen, because because we've we've sort
of a lot of a lot of our people right
now listening, they watched last night.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
They're up on what the President said to the degree
you can what is the next step? The next stage?
He laid out a lot of Chinese meddling in the election.
He laid out a lot of illegals who are registered.
Are we going to purge those illegals? Are people going
to be taken off the rolls? Are some going to
be prosecuted?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Like?
Speaker 4 (17:48):
What are the action items now that follow that White
House speech by the President last night?
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Yes, well, this is again why the passage of the
Save the Act is existential for the country. Let's take
a few of the different issues that you raised. So
there were so many astonishing and staggering revelations in the
President's speech last night, more than we have time to
get through here, but starting with the China peace so
(18:16):
with the president and it's.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
All online white House dot gov. You can go look
at it.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
What the President disclosed last night were years of intelligence
reports that were kept hidden not only from the American
people but by the deep state from the president, documenting
an explicit Chinese state policy of interfering in US elections
(18:40):
in order to hurt President Trump and help President Trump's
political opponents. This was an official goal of the Chinese
Communist Party. If you know anything about the CCP, you
know that they are a highly competent organization.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Right.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
This is not like saying that we found out that
the government of Eritrea decided to meddle in elections That
would be bad.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Wouldn't like it.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
But the CCP has extraordinary technological capabilities and extraordinary resources
to achieve its ends and objectives, and as part of that,
they were able to illegally steal and obtain tens of
millions of America's voter records, which of course can be
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used in all manner of ways to interfere in account
of any number of different elections. Because once you have
voters information, once you have their dobs, you have where
they live, you have their signatures. We have that information,
of course, is very easy to create artificial voting records.
These same intelligence documents also showed that the kinds of
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election hardware for digital voting, the counting systems that we
use in America, are easily hackable, and they could be
hacked without using a trace. So imagine just combining those
two facts right in your mind.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
You have a powerful.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
State actor trying to interfere in your elections, and you
have election software that is easily exploitable. Right, these are
incredibly deeply alarming facts. And then on the point about
illegal aliens, so DHS is found just an a cursory examination,
a quarter million non citizens who are on our federal
(20:25):
election roles, and that doesn't include all of the blue
state registrations because blue states have refused to turn over
their voter files. So California and New York, Illinois, et cetera,
haven't shared any voting systems or voting records. But you
put all this together and what you have. One other
important point is the fact that the FBI uncovered a
(20:47):
election rigging scheme in Michigan in twenty twenty and again
concealed it from the president, and the Biden administration buried it.
So is what we talk about all the time, right
The idea that an NGO is paying foot soldiers to
fraudulently fill out ballots to change the count was actually
happening in the middle of the election season, and it
(21:10):
was killed and buried and kept for the American people.
And of course that that kind of thing is happening
in one place, it's happening everywhere there's a Democrat machine.
The bottom line is that the US election system is
the most unsecured election system in the world. The question
isn't how could you penetrate it? The question is could
you ever have enough time in a day to list
(21:32):
the different ways that you could penetrate it. There's a.
There's a post on the excess going viral right now
where a customer is a real thing. A customer at
the Olive Garden was setting a question to All of
Garden management asking if they if they're All you Can
Eat Summer pass could be shared with their family members,
(21:54):
and the All of Garden Corporate replied and they said, no,
your card has a barcode you that relate solely to you,
and you must present a photo ID with your All
you Could Eat Pasta pass in order to access All
you Can Eat pasta So we've reached the points of
society where access to Setichini at Olive Gardens is vastly
(22:15):
more secure than deciding who is Commander in Chief of
the country.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I love that analogy. Alfredo is delicious to be fair,
and people can get pretty heavy hearing.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
I'm not making light of that, and good to Olive
Gardener for doing so.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah. Look, I mean I think it goes to what
a lot of people out there are frustrated by, which
is the credit card companies. If somebody uses your credit card,
or even maybe if your wife uses a credit card
in the way that maybe she hasn't in the past,
they will immediately contact you. They can see when there
is an a barent result with that. You just used
(22:50):
it as an example of the Olive Garden the Save
America Act. This audience, as with most of America, overwhelmingly
is in favor of it passing. But if it is
not going to pass unfortunately, are there ways to prosecute
individuals associated with what the President laid out last night
through the executive branch? Should we expect something in that direction?
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Yes, I mean basically what you're what you're left with
at that point in time is having to individually infiltrate
and investigate schemes to reg elections. So the challenges becomes
one of scale. And again, you guys know this as
well as anybody the You know, the entire FBI has
(23:35):
eleven thousand specialations, and you know, like the New York
City Police Department has thirty three thousand police officers. So
the whole FBI with all this missions, you know, counter terrorism,
counter drug, counter espionage, so on and so forth. Right,
there's eleven thousand people for the whole country. So when
you're talking about schemes in Detroit and Los Angeles and
(23:56):
Manhattan and so on and so forth, the resources to
interrupt and investigate every single NGO worker, every single union worker,
every single individual who might be engaging in illicit ballot harvesting,
signature forging, anything of that nature is vast. But yes,
(24:18):
to answer your question, we are developing plans as we speak.
I've been in more than a few meetings about it
to make sure that as we head into the election
season that our federal law enforcement is prepared to the
greatest excess of their ability to identify and disrupt these skids.
But ultimately, you have to have a national secure election infrastructure.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Talking to Stephen Miller, Deputy White House Chief of Staff
for President Donald Trump, Stephen got to ask you about
what's coming for deportation operations, and this is critical to
people who voted for Trump in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Is one of the core promises.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
How do you view what's gone on so far and
what should people be prepared for going forward?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Well, great question, so it look.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
The good news for you when you're listening audience is
that the daily deportation rate right now is the highest
it has been since we've been in office. And the
menim woman Ice deserve enormous credit for continuing to get
those numbers up. In addition, the administration is severely cracking
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down on the CDL that's the commercial driver's license fraud.
So I think it's probably a good estimate about a
third of the nation's CDLs commercial driver's licenses have been
issued to illegal aliens, and so you have this massive
public safety issue. We've begun the process. It's also a
(25:51):
job theft issue, of course too, but we've begun the
process of identifying the firms the contractors that are engaging
criminal activity, and they're going to begin to see a
very severe crackdown. The early reports have gotten on that
are very promising. And then we also have begun in
earnest implementing our banking integrity measures. So you may remember
(26:13):
President Trump sign that executive order a few weeks ago
saying that we are not going to allow with legal
aliens to use banking services in this country, you know country.
To popular perception, the stupid phrase about living in the shadows,
illegally aliens don't live in the shadows. Legal aliens have
credit cards, they have bank accounts, and their paid with
direct deposit. So illegal aliens fully participate in the commercial systems.
(26:37):
The financial systems of America shutting that down as a
massive engine for deportation. And so the Treasure Department just
issued new guidance to financial institutions to banks, and so
the next step in this process is US meeting individually
with banks and financial institutions on cooperating with US to
(26:58):
remove illegal aliens from the banking So once should thego
aliens lose their access to capital, that is going to
again be a major driver of self deportations. These are
examples of a few of the things that we're doing
to really get those numbers up dramatically and get people
out of this country who don't belong here.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
We got less than a minute left. Congratulations on the
newest baby, Buck and I have your fourth kid. You
and your wife Katie, uh Will we get a Lewis
and Clark series. You and I talked about it at
the White House Correspondence dinner. You got thirty seconds to
make it happen.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
You and I need to become the executive producers.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
You men will be the I don't.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
It's almost unfair. It's your idea. I shouldn't get any
of the IP. But this is two it together. Let's
make it happen, and we'll bring into the American people.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
You're with me, You're gonna be an exact Okay, we're
gonna make this happen. Steven Miller, Clay Travis. We may
give Bucket production credit. We're gonna make Lewis and Clark happen.
We've got to set this up. Keep up the good work, Steve,
and we know how busy you are. Congrats again on
that baby, and we'll talk to you again soon. Team.
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have been reacting to the Trump speech. Our friend Steven
Miller was on breaking all of that down in our
one and we have been talking about a lot of
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different subjects, but I saw this a little bit earlier today, Buck,
and I was curious what the reaction is out there
to this, And then I'm going to ask Buck whether
he's gonna go see The Odyssey because he hates going
to movies and that's a major movie release today. But
CNBC poll Buck, this jumped out of me. I thought
it was interesting. Twoenty eighteen. What is the state of
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the economy two thousand and sixteen when Trump got elected?
Average minus five. In other words, people are pessimistic on
the economy by twenty eighteen plus forty eight. I think
it's important to remember a lot of the discussion about
China stealing two hundred and twenty million voter files, remember
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that in February of twenty twenty, we had one of
the hottest economies in the history of the world, right
as COVID hit. And I would just ask you, I'm
not gonna go full conspiracist on this, but isn't it
interesting that COVID escaped from a Chinese lab right as
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President Trump was poised, I think, to win reelection in
twenty twenty, right as the economy was at its absolute apex.
It is interesting, I think to contemplate that plus forty
eight Buck in twenty eighteen, everybody was ecstatic about how
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good the economy was. Twenty twenty the lingering effects plus six,
and then it fell off in the Biden era, off
the face of the Earth twenty twenty two, right at
the peak of inflation minus thirty three, twenty twenty four,
minus thirty six. CNBC just polled July twenty twenty six
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minus fourteen. Not great, but significantly improved compared to where
it was in twenty two and twenty four. Why do
I bring that up? Just putting a pin in this,
Just think about it. The economy. People are starting to
feel a bit better than they did in twenty two
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and in twenty four. So obviously, what happens with iron,
what the situation is with gas prices, all of that
factors in. But I do think there are some green
shoots positively sprouting up where some people are starting to
feel a bit better about things than they were. All Right,
(31:29):
it's a final hour of the week. We can have
some fun. We'll take some calls. We got a lot
of funny talkbacks from many of you. Buck a lot
of discussion surrounding The Odyssey, this new movie that is
being released. Everybody is talking about the Odyssey and the
Christopher Nolan film. You do not like going to movie
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theaters because people are too loud, because people sometimes they
get on their phones, who you don't care about any
korum whatsoever. They don't think about other people.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
They talk, they look at their phones, and they don't
think that the bright screens are distracting while you're trying
to actually enjoy the movie. Also, this is even worse.
It's almost like trying to fly an airline these days.
They'll just keep you there prisoner for thirty minutes before
the movie, watching commercials like I saw.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
It twenty minutes late for every movie now because they're
gonna give you a full half hour of commercials and advertisements.
And if you don't want to watch that, I will
say The positive is most places now you have a
reserve seat, so you don't have to worry about coming
in And am I gonna end up on the front
row on the edge, which is basically impossible to watch
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a to watch a movie. So will you go watch
the Odyssey? Will you go to a movie theater? Or
because of the woke elements this Elliott Ellen Page Helen
of Troy, did I say this on a if they
had just made Zendia the Helen of Troy, nobody would
have complained about it. It's a strange thing to decide
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to do. For Christopher Nolan, are you going to go
see it? Not see it? How would you assess?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
So?
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I will not go to the movie theater because of
what we discussed before. I've been burned too many times,
just not worth it. There's always someone, there's always someone
who is so annoying. You would think that it would
all have gotten better too, because the problem with going
to movies at the peak of movies being great was structural.
You often had if somebody had I'm just gonna say
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it in front of you, had big hair or like me,
a big head, you were in a rough spot because
they didn't really have proper stadium seating. It was on
the slant. Movie theaters weren't built very well. So if
someone was wearing a hat, you know, some kind of
like a Kentucky Derby big hat, you were in trouble.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
But at least you wanted to go to the movie.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
And then remember where they used to also have kind
of the free for all where they'd finally let you
in and it was like run like everyone got their
seats to.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Try to get everything. I think having assigned seats. I
was initially like, h do you really want to have
assigned seats in movie theaters? I actually think it's way better,
Like I infinitely rush. But the problem is no longer
the structural setup for movies. It's the people.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
People in movies think that they can talk and they
don't care, and they'll use their phones and they don't
care if people are rude. So that's part one, Part two.
Will I see the Odyssey? Ever?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
As in what I pay to watch it at home?
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I want the Young Washington movie to come out on
demand because I'm I'll gladly pay twenty bucks. I'd pay whatever,
thirty bucks, whatever it would be to see it while
it's still in theaters.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
But I want to watch it at home.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
I want to watch it with my Ginger Spice next
to me and speed and carry, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I want to do it on my own terms.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
The Odyssey is the problems that people have had with
it so far as I've seen it's Is it good
when it comes to the historical respect for the text,
the original Odyssey, the Homeric Epic?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
And then is it uh? Too woke. Those are the
criticisms that we see. I'll start with the second one.
I don't really I don't really care.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
If it's still a good movie, meaning if they want
to do the like diversity thing, which they've done obviously,
and it's a good movie. I can appreciate it for entertainment.
On the first part of it as well, I can
appreciate it for entertainment, but it's it's.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Almost like, uh, you know, the DEA.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
It's point pluses and minuses, right, the DEI thing, plus
the is it respecting the original text thing. I can
still say it's a great movie for its entertainment purposes,
but it's going to be a high bar, and I
think the chance of it clearing that bar for me
Clay is very very low. So I will watch it
at home when I can, so that I can see
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what has been done. But I'm also I'm rare in
the this is where everyone yells at me. Although people
have come around. I used to say Quentin Tarantino is overrated,
and now people go back and look, some of the movies,
so violent, so much, so, many racial slurs, all this stuff.
You don't you don't actually need to subject yourself to
this Quintin Tarantino's actually not a lot of the movies
are just not very good, And then now people don't
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yell at me for that as much. Christopher Nolan I
think is overrated. I don't think he's bad. I think
he's made some very entertaining movies. I think the Batman
movies are very good. But I think that some of
the other movies he's made. I mean, Oppenheimer just sucked,
and people can get mad at me for saying it.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
They're wrong.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
It was super boring and long and ponderous, and it
made it seem like the bad.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
People were the people. I've still never seen it, So
there's this whole thing about like, oh my gosh, like
they're also freaked out.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
It was supposed to be an allegory for Hollywood and
blacklisting of communists. Yeah, they actually broke into our nuclear
program the comedies and stole nuclear stuff so they could
make nukes.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Like it happened. So the movie, the whole Oppenheimer thing
is like, oh, they're being so paranoid about the car. No,
what happened. They did it, and we had that. We
actually ended up executing Julius and Ethel Rosenberg for stealing
nuclear secrets, one of the only times we've ever executed
a woman in the history of the United States. By
the way, but that whole movie is like, oh, it's
so bad with the red Scare and everything else.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Oppenheimer's trash and everyone should know it's trash. And I
think it won Best Picture, right That tells you a lot.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I'm in many ways, So I think this all kind
of ties in. By the way, President Trump is leaving
right now for New York City. He's going to attend
the championship game between Argentina and Spain in New York
City and he's going to be presenting the trophy there.
And I don't know if this is public yet, but
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I'll just say it sometimes that's a little bit dangerous.
I also know he's doing an interview with Fox Sports
that will air during the World Cup coverage and he's
supposed to be on the field to present the World
Cup trophy, which if you want to see people really
lose their mind, get ready for that. So Trump is
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going to be at the World Cup at the final match,
and it should be quite a scene. I hope that
the weather ends up being okay. I feel like Buck,
we have entered a world where I was looking at Netflix,
streaming is starting to collapse, and I wonder on some
level whether movies, this is an interesting question, are going
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to get eventified like concerts and sporting events have, where
people spend way more to go to have the experience
of being around people. You get this that the the
AI world that we're creating where everything is fake, much
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of it right, much of what you see online. You
can't tell what video is real, you can't tell what
pictures are real. Everything else. Is it going to continue
to create a world where live is going to matter
even more? I think the answer is yes, and the
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live experience of going to a movie theater. Concerts have
never cost more or been more popular. Sporting events have
never cost more or been more popular. I feel like
there's a desperate desire to connect with other humans, and
I think one reason the Odyssey is becoming popular. Or
back in the day you mentioned Oppenheimer. Remember they had
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the Barbenheimer where people were going to see Oppenheimer and
Barbie back to back. It was kind of this thing.
You don't remember that trend? No, you never saw that trend. Oh,
this is a huge trend. I might be the only
person who's aware of this trend, but it was a
pretty big trend. Barbenheimer, I think that we're starting to
see a desperate desire for in person events and live
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events accelerate in a streaming era, and there's less and
less interest in the streaming world. Am I crazy about this?
By the way, I just shared our YouTube. You can
experience that in real time with us Live. I just
feel like live in person, real human events are starting
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to skyrocket in popularity, and I feel like that may continue,
and I may go see The Odyssey.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
You will go see the Odyssey and you will like it.
Because you actually said Gladiator two is not a terrible movie,
which I wasn't a terrible movie.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
I'm one of the worst movies ever made. No, it
was not one of the worst movies ever made. For
from the fall off of Gladiator one too. If you're
looking at that delta, if you're looking at the distance
between Gladiator one and Gladiator two, I would I would
argue it is the worst sequel ever made. No, that
is a crazy take, like, no compared to the original movie,
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the worst sequel compared to the original movie of all time?
All time. I'm in now I have to think about
what the worst sequels of all time are. You guys
can help me. I mean, they know this is a
crazy take. There are a lot of like they made.
They made sequels to movies that weren't even very good.
So I guess your argument is great movie talking about
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about the delta between the two Yes, the drop off
between the first and the second movie. I think gladi here,
which I think is one of the best movies ever made,
Gladiator two is the biggest falloff of any movie sequel
ever ever. Oh Man, exactly. This is a super strong
take by you. I am in the process of trying
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to see what I've thought of is what are good sequels?
Sequels that are better? Godfather too arguably simpol of, Doom's
not better, but there are trilogies that are better. The
third one is often awful. What's the worst drop off
for number two of all time? That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Well, let's put it out there to everybody and we'll
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Speaker 1 (43:16):
Buck has made a strong Friday Final Hour argument. Not
gonna lie that the worst drop off from great film.
It is fair. We agree that Gladiator the originally is
original is a great film. The worst drop off of
all time is Gladiator too. I think that's a crazy take.
(43:36):
I have punched back with Jaws two, which is an abomination,
Exorcist two, which nobody even knew existed, and uh and speed.
I gotta I gotta make a couple of like a
little adjustments here. Okay.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
First of all, Jaws two is like fifty six percent
on Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I don't know why that's on Groc, all right, So
Groc told me it was a zero. So I'm throwing
Groc under the bus. Is no movies as zero? Okay,
I thought, I thought it seems suspicious, but I was
that's crazy. You put it in front of me and
I'll read it. I I'm I have to, especially if
it benefits my argument. Look, it's it's a it's a
cheap uh you know rip off Jaws two is not
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a good movie. But it's the same cast, the same thing. Oh,
there's another shark and they're gonna it's gonna eat the kids,
and they're gonna save them from the shark. I mean,
it's not like I don't even know what happened in Gladiators.
I'm watching this. This is the worst thing I've ever
seen in mine. There's like there's like the Twins where
the princes or something who are running everything. The whole
thing was so horrible. The lead guy, I've never heard
of him before or since. Denzel Washington is a great actor.
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I think if there's a great actor in a film,
it keeps it from being the worst ever made. Oh
I know, sure, I disagree, and one of the best
actors of our generation broadly defined. I think that's fair.
And I think his performance in Gladiator Too is solid,
Like he didn't mail it in, even though they might
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not like the script. We have a bunch of callers
who went away in. People feel passionately about this one.
Greg and Rhode Island. Greg, You're worst. Some of these
are gonna be very funny. Okay, what's the worst drop
off from a great movie too. So yeah, well, Buck,
choice two is not that bad. Thank you, hang up
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on him. We can't. He can't be trusted. This is
tough because you and we can at Bernie's Two unbelievable.
He's like, no, no, but here's the problem, sir, sir,
excuse me, sir, excuse me. We can at Bernie's One
is a terrible movie. You gotta tell you it has
to be great, a terrible movie. This is where Greg
(45:40):
I have to agree with Buck, like we're talking about
really good movies. We get at Bernie's One. I get you,
and we've had fun with this because we said Biden's
second term was weekend at Bernie's two. Weekend at Bernie's
guy dies. They have to pretend he's still alive. We
get at Bernie's Two, Like the conceit of the movie
is difficult. Well, the problem is Buck's correct. We kid
(46:02):
at Bernie's One was not a great movie. Yet it's
a terrible movie. It's a terrible movie. It's thank you
for the call. This is just what I agree with
you on this. Uh okay, and David, I can I'll
tell you what I think is in the lead, right
now for actual competition here. But the only reason I
think I still am I'm the winner on this is
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because Gladiator is a great movie. I think Speed is
a very good movie. Speed two on the Cruise Ship
is an abomination of a movie. Keanu Reeves is not
in it. It's like, uh, what's the guy's name? A
sign that the second is a real drop off is
if the star of the first, who was not killed, right, obviously,
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even still though sometimes bring him back, is not in
the second, right? Uh, Keanu Reeves, I can't even remember
who was in the Speed too? Did they bring back
Sondra Bullock?
Speaker 5 (46:56):
Right?
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Jason Patrick was? Who was the Keanu character so to speak?
Speaker 1 (47:01):
In Speed?
Speaker 4 (47:01):
To Sondra Bullock I think was back. I'm sure she
wants to forget this one.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Okay, Yeah, you're not gonna be able to keep a
straight face here, David in Texas a great movie that
was ruined by the second movie. Your argument is fire
away all. Thanks for having me on the show. Appreciate it.
Joe Dirt to you sucked. Joe Dirt was horrible, but
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you're okay. Joe Dirt to be bad. I think a
lot of people might agree your argument is Joe Dirt
was a fantastic film, like basically the Citizen Kane of
the Dirt Ensemble films.
Speaker 5 (47:41):
Yeah, even after about the sixteenth time watching.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
It, he did, gum right, if I want to laugh,
that's what I watch. Thank younk. All right. I think
it's a tough putt to sink. This is like, you know,
putting on glass from four hundred yards away. It's hard
to argue Joe Dirt was a great film. You know what?
You know, what does make the list?
Speaker 4 (48:01):
I had groc pull up a list of like the
based on the internet commentary on this.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
What the because this I didn't really this is. People
have been debating this for some time now. This is
a question that has come up before basic instinct two.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
I didn't know that existed. So let's start with this.
Sharon Stone, she's a lot older.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Okay, I'm just I'm not trying to be she didn't yet. No,
I know it is Michael. I didn't know. I'm saying
I didn't even know it is Michael Douglas also in it.
She's a little older, a little more zoftig, a little
less uh Sharon Stone like, And it's I have not
seen it, but it is apparently a terrible, terrible movie.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
The Sting Too, which they're based the original Sting is
an Oscar winner great movie.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Sting Too. I didn't even know there was one. I
think that this might be unfair, but I think you
could potentially argue Disney made a lot of direct to
video movies like Beauty and the Beast two is really.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
Bad compared to releasing Now we got. We gotta keep
it consist. It has to be released in theaters. It
can't be some b movie that HBO three used to
put on at like two am. Some of those movies
were kind of spicy. Uh, can't be those things. It
has to be like a real in theater release by
a studio follow up to a great movie. I didn't
know there was a There was a Jim Carrey Mask sequel,
(49:27):
Son of the Mask. If you've got Jamie Kennedy, yikes.
Jamie Kennedy replaces Jim Carrey and it is apparently an
utter disaster.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Tough to argue. I think The Mask is an amazing film. Again,
I think this is where your argument is actually not
a bad one. Bob and Nebraska, would we agree, Rocky
very good film. They're making now a new the making
of Rocky movie, which is gonna be good. But no,
your argument, Bob is Rocky two is a tremendous drop off. Correct, three, four,
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and five were great. I'm looking forward to the new
Rocky movie coming out. But Rocky one was great, Rocky
two horrible. Movie interesting. I mean, I'm gonna tell you, look,
I can't remember it.
Speaker 4 (50:16):
To be fair, Rocky two came out in nineteen seventy nine,
and the to mom, tomote, what is it? Tomata meter,
Tomata tomato meter, thank you, thank you? So you say tomato,
I say to the tomato meter is at eighty as
at sixty eight percent for Rocky two, and the popcorn meter,
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meaning the audience response is eighty two percent. So guys,
I'm sorry, that's not even that's like people like Rocky too.
I don't think anyone say Rocky two, I will say,
And I don't want to expand the category to the
trilogies because then things will really get nuts. But my
mom pointed out via text that for fans of the
Godfather franchise, Godfather one and two, So I think Clay,
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didn't you think if they nailed one and too like
Lord of the Rings. You knew Lord of the Rings three.
If you liked one and two, you knew three was
gonna be exactly what the doctor ordered. You knew it
was gonna be on point after Godfather one in two.
I think a lot of in our parents' generation, a
lot of people the Godfather movies are like top five
top ten.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Movie, greatest movies ever made. I think you can some
of the greatest movies ever made.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
A lot of people from that generation, I think, particularly
say that Godfather three is apparently you can't get through it.
It's so bad you can't actually get through in enjoying
the movie.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
So yeah, by the way, we got a good talk
back here from Let's see Uh Oh oh Oh is
just a montage with a bunch of listener lists that
has been put together tons of you reaching out from
producer Greg another montage. This's the first time we've ever
had double montages. Fire Away Cut Oh, Grease to.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Blues Brothers Too.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
I think the world's worst second movie is got be
the Ghostbusters.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Worst fall off in history, Highlander two.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
The worst sequel ever made was Anchorman two B two,
Caddyshack to Caddy Shat two Hands down Independence Day Resurgence.
Worst sequel of.
Speaker 5 (52:20):
All time is The Wonder Woman to Wonder Woman nineteen
eighty four or whatever it was called, Smoky Undemanded.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Two Gladiator to not only the worst sequel of all time,
possibly the worst movie of all time.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
The worst drop off between the first and second is
coming to America and coming to America as the sequel
The Matrix two.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
I mean, okay, that is a good that was that
was a really solid You guys are really nailing this
for the most part, I would say, some of you,
I think, are really just going though with the worst
sequel ever made, which is it again? We gotta we
gotta keep this tight. It's the biggest drop off two
the sequel. So, for example, you say Blues Brothers, maybe
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you enjoyed the first Blues Brothers is not a great movie.
People aren't sitting around years decades later saying, you know
what's a great movie? Blues Okay, it's fine. Blues Brothers two,
I'm sure was an absolute abomination. Some of them that
got added in the list. I do like the Highlander movie,
and I did see on VHS The Highlander two, the Quickening.
I don't think it's a great movie the first one,
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but is the drop off is a huge drop off.
So I would put that I disagree with the Caddyshack
two person by the way, I thought Caddyshack two it
wasn't as good as one, but it was watchable.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
I would also disagree on Maybe I'm being biased because
sometimes now I see these movies through the eyes of
my kids. My kids loved Ghostbuster two, Like I know
that Ghostbusters is iconic in many ways because of the
way it was done. But I didn't think Ghostbusters two
was truly atrocious.
Speaker 4 (53:56):
And Greg and our show chat is throwing round house
kicks in the Ghostbusters two's face. And let me say,
I'm gonna Chris, Greg, I can't. I wish I could.
I can't back you up on this one. The ooze
thing with the pink and the singing and everything was lame.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
It was lame. But Vigo in the Paintings super scary. Lego,
he was scary. And here's a.
Speaker 4 (54:15):
Little factoid for you guys. Vigo in the painting is
an actor. He's a German actor who was in die
Hard and is it helps in die Hard set up
the missile that they blow up the Armored Personnel Carrier
with so Vigo was in a few movies. But I
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don't think that Ghostbusters two is that bad. It's pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
You have laid out a good criteria here, and again
the movie has to be great, which eliminates what ninety
percent of movies off the start, I mean, you had
to be a really good film. Now, typically you don't
make sequels for movies that were not successful, but we
ever do.
Speaker 4 (54:57):
Did you ever tell us what the worst movie you
ever saw in a movie theater? Again, that has to
be non including like made for TV, direct release or
whatever in a theater, the worst movie you've ever seen?
Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, and I'm gonna throw my mom under the bus here,
happy birthday. On her birthday, I'm throwing her under the bus.
But at some point we would. We saw a lot
of movies back in the day. Our parents, when my
sister and I were young, took us to see a
movie called The Accidental Tourist, which was supposed to They
thought it was like a comedy movie, and it was
(55:29):
like the most depressing, awful movie for an eight year
old to ever see. And so I remember sitting there
thinking this movie is never gonna end. I also went
on a date to see The English Patient and The
English Patient is I'm not sure exactly run time. I
think it was forty six hours. It just the movie
(55:51):
would not end, and I think it ended up winning
like an Oscar or whatever.
Speaker 4 (55:55):
Yeah, I know a bunch of Oscars and it is
a trash movie.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
I've seen it. Oh well, it just lasts forever, right,
I mean, those would be ones that would immediately come
to mind. I never leave. Like I said, I'm trying
to remember if I the last time I walked out
of a movie. I can't even remember, hardly ever walking out.
So about you, what's the worst movie you ever saw
in the theater? Either Vanilla Sky or Magnolia. Vanilla Sky
(56:20):
was so bad, so I do remember that. So now
I liked Magnolia. I like I enjoyed Magnolia. The one
that I did not like by the same guy who
did Magnolia, Well, I can't remember. Well, I'll look up,
but it never ended. You've gotta do some commerce here,
(56:41):
we gotta do some commerce. I gotta tell you about
Tunnel the Towers twenty fifth anniversary of nine to eleven
Tunnel the Towers Foundation doing something remarkable through September, the
Foundation Steal Across America tour, transporting a giant still beam
from the original World Trade Center to landmarks across the country. Today,
it's in Seattle at the ballpark where the Mariners play,
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available for all to see for the public. Powerful symbol
of our country's resilience, also a reminder of what's at stake,
defending our freedoms and our way of life in honor
of the three hundred and forty three members of the
New York City Fire Department who made the ultimate sacrifice
on nine to eleven. Foundation also delivering three hundred and
forty three mortgage free homes to heroes and their families,
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while continuing their efforts to eradicate veteran homelessness throughout the year.
You can partake in one of the foundations runs, walks, climbs,
golf outings. There are hundreds of them across the country.
You can join Buck and Me donate eleven dollars a
month to Tunnel to Towers. You can also amplify your
impact with a car or land donation. Go to t
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too t dot org. That's t the number two. T
dot org
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