August 13, 2026 • 56 mins
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton have an extended debate over the WNBA, women’s sports, gender identity, and player eligibility rules. They analyze reports that WNBA executives, owners, and player representatives met to discuss participation standards and criticize the league for, in their view, failing to clearly define what constitutes a woman while issuing statements condemning online hostility. The hosts reference former NBA players Enes Kanter Freedom and Royce White declaring for the WNBA draft, discuss the broader controversy surrounding transgender participation in women’s athletics, cite past comments made during Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson’s confirmation hearings, and examine potential legal, scientific, competitive, and cultural implications for women’s sports. They also discuss WNBA public messaging, comments from Indiana Fever coach Stephanie White, questions surrounding competitive fairness, performance-enhancing substances, intersex athlete policies, and the future of female-only athletic competitions. Doug Schoen, longtime Democratic strategist, pollster, and political analyst who has advised President Bill Clinton, Michael Bloomberg, and numerous political leaders around the world joined the show. He says don't rule out AOC for president. Clay and Buck play a classic Rush Limbaugh throwback and turn to the ongoing debate surrounding the WNBA and women’s sports, criticizing what they view as inconsistencies in how sports organizations address issues of sex and gender. They discuss public controversies involving transgender participation in women’s athletics and examine broader cultural and political implications, mixing serious analysis with listener interaction and humor.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Thursday edition, Clay and Buck.
I hope all of you are having a fantastic day.
We have got a loaded show coming your way. Let's
have some fun positive right off the top here. As
you all know, I like to bring the positivity. S
(00:22):
and P five hundred setting yet another all time record high.
The five hundred biggest companies in the United States have
never been more highly valued.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
If you have four oh one k's, if you.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Have any stock investments at all, congratulations, you have more
money than you have ever had in the history of
your investments as they are hitting record highs as we speak.
On this day, continued drama surrounding Iran. Caroline Levitt is out.
She announces that she is going to be leaving as
White House Press Secretary. I think we had told you
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that that was highly likely to happen before this year
was out. So she is announced she is leaving at
the end of August. Very successful career and tenure that
she had as a part of Trump two point zero
and during the course of the campaign she not only
had one baby, but two babies, and so it has
been a crazy time for her, and she says she
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wants to spend more time with those two babies, and
given the job that she has, which basically doesn't ever cease,
it is hard to do that as the White House
Press Secretary. So thank you to her for her work there.
You guys have known Caroline for a long time because
we had her on the program quite a lot during
the twenty twenty two midterms when she ran for Congress
(01:42):
in her home state of New Hampshire. You could say
we were early Caroline Levitt adopters if you will, or
that's accurate. Yeah, that is one hundred percent accurate. Okay, Buck,
I see the leading. We may have offered her a job,
by the way, before she got the press secretary job.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Can't blamers. She was smart to hold out. That's a well.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
We've had several people who have been a part of
our network that have gone right into the right into
the administration. Nicole Saffire and our friend Sean Parnell both
stepped out of the Clay and Buck podcast network into
the White House.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
To be senior senior roles in the Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yep, that is that is how it goes, so, who knows,
maybe one somebody else in the in the podcast universe
will be stepping into the uh into that world. But Buck,
I look up right now and the leading story on
Fox News WNBA not being able to define what a
woman is. This is I can't believe this is real.
(02:41):
But the story is dominating. We will do three hours today.
I guarantee you the most watched, the most talked about,
the most clipped segment that we will do on.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
This three hours.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And Buck, I know you're like kind of a disbelief
it will be this discussion about the WNBA. I will
put my money where my mouth is. I will tell
you the numbers are through the roof Fox News opening
out numbered with the lead story being this, okay, we've
got a couple of new cuts, big picture.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
They had a meeting of all of the powerbrokers of
the WNBA, the top owners, the top league executives, top players,
association members. They all set around. They met for hours
yesterday trying to discuss what the criteria to play in
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the Women's National Basketball Association is. Remember the W stands
for women, Buck. They cannot figure out what a woman is.
And so they finished this meeting by issuing this statement.
All right, the WNBA said that they were they couldn't
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tell you what a woman is, but they condemned the
hate and vitriol online.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
The bad faith efforts.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
These are direct quotes to demean or marginalize others. So
they didn't actually tell you what a woman was. Instead,
they said, everybody is being mean to us online. We
decry their hate, their transphobia. This is the most left
wing organization maybe on the planet right now, and they
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do not seem to be able to define a very
basic question, which back in the day kindergarten cop was
quite good at. Boys have penises, girls have vaginas. Maybe
we can pull that clip, send it to the WNBA
to help make some decisions here. And you may say, okay,
this is crazy, but remember Katanji Brown Jackson was asked
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by our friend, Senator Marsha Blackburn at her confirmation hearings
if she could say what a woman was, and she
said she was not a biologist. If I remember correctly,
that was her answer under oath at her testimony to
be allowed on the Supreme Court. And so, Buck, we
now are in a position where you have two former
(05:15):
first round NBA draft picks Enus Canter and also a
Royce White, but we have audio here. They have declared
for the WNBA draft. The league is scrambling to try
to figure out whether or not they can remain in
and there are a couple of cuts here. The Indiana
Fever head coach said kindness will win and everybody else
(05:41):
can go to hell. This is a real quote. Listen
to this, Stephanie White, cut seven.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
The hate, the fear mongering, the divisiveness, the stuff that's
trying to hijack our league will not win.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It won't win.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
We are united, we are connected, be divided every day.
These women put their on the line. Every day. When
they go low, we go high. Love will win, grace
will win, Humility will win, and kindness will win. I
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stand by them. I will always stand by them. Everybody
else can go to hell.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I think that it's going to be believe this is real.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
It's going to be exciting to see the kindness and
the inclusiveness that they extend to Enu's cantor freedom when
he becomes a W NBA player. The W does in
fact stand for women? What is a woman? They are
uncertain at this point. They are looking into it, Clay,
is my understanding. They are going to look at the data.
(06:47):
They think it needs more study, so they're going to
do a little bit of a dusting off the notebooks
and look into this what is a woman situation? And
Eni's cantor freedom should definitely be allowed in as well
as these other players who was the other one, Royce
was white. Royce White should definitely be allowed in the WNBA.
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And then they can all be kind to the actual
females in the WNBA when they feel like their league
is being made a mockery of because it's no longer
the WNBA, it is something else when you allow men
into it.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
This is the only logical conclusion.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
They can say these things like this coach all day
that dances around the subject matter. The fact of the
matter is they've got a problem. They have an ideology
that they will not give up on that completely undermines
and would actually destroy disintegrate the thing that they professionally do.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Everything else is just it's just talking. It's talking around
the issue. It's not about kindness. It's about do you
actually allow men to play in your league?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yes or no? That's it.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Let me actually do this, Buck, because I never would
have believed that this was necessary. But I do think
that the WNBA is panicked because they've been put into
a tough spot. Let me give you a couple of
facts that I haven't heard very many people talk about,
and then let me put on the lawyer hat here
for a moment. First of all, the WNBA already has
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a woman who identifies as a man that is played,
and I believe is still playing in the league. Okay,
this is a woman who entered into transtreatment, probably is
getting pumped full of testosterone, and the league has allowed
her to continue to be eligible even though she identifies
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as a man. The fact Buck, that they have not
adopted the Women's Tennis Association, the International Olympic Committee or
the NCAA, that's college athletics, the Olympics and tennis basic
standards where you do a cheek swab and you just
determine one time are you a woman or not biologically
and then it doesn't apply anymore. Makes me believe that
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they are concerned that they have players already who would
not pass as women if they were given a cheek swap.
That's one of the questions here's the challenge legally, Buck,
So you think there are trans players already? I think
there may be. And again this gets into kind of
like the castor Semnias of the world you're talking about
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in so you're talking about interest there. You think there
might be some intersex players with hormone issues. Yes, interesting
that would not qualify under the Olympics, for instance, to
be considered biological women. It makes me wonder because they
won't just put this test in. Here's the issue they're
going to have. They've already allowed this woman identifying as
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a man, probably to pump her body through god knows
how much testosterone to play. In order to exclude Enus
cant Freedom and Royce White, they are going to have
to say that they are not women. In order to
say that they are not women, they're going to have
to acknowledge that they do, in fact know what a
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woman is. And that is why I think they're in
a legally untenable position, because the other option is that
they could define what a woman is. They could just
allow all men, right, which they don't want to do,
which would basically end the WNBA because there would be
no female players if men are eligible, who identify as
women to play and so buck they can't collude now, right,
(10:34):
it would be antitrust. You'd be able to sue. They
can't change the definitions because they've already arguably entered into
by filing their draft eligibility statements. So I think that
they if they refuse to draft these guys and just
said we're going to collude, that would open them up
(10:54):
to millions and millions substantial damages. I think that this
is me being just a lawyer and treating this as
a serious question. I think that legally they are on
untenable ground, and that doesn't even analyze the political ramifications
of this. Like ESPN shared the news they couldn't say
(11:14):
what a woman was and they just got utterly eviscerated online.
Normal guys and gals out there are just saying, what
in the world is going on here?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And this is blowing up on them. And before we.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Even get deep into the science, and you're talking about
the intersex possibility, there are and this is when people
like to get on the left. They'd like to pretend
all of a sudden that they're really about the science.
There are hormonal and chromosomal abnormalities that can occur. It's
very rare, but it can occur. But that's not what
(11:47):
we're talking about here. Really, that's actually not what the
issue is as we know. And because they say trans players,
they're not saying intersex players. And they could have a standard,
a scientific standard for intersex players that would be applicable.
You can actually enforce a scientific standard about whether you'd
allow intersex players that or not. That would still exclude
(12:09):
I have long hair and painted fingernails. I'm now a
lady when I'm actually a man. But Clay, the other
part of this is you step back and you say,
why if gender isn't this thing that is so important
for physical capability, why have a w NBA in the
first place.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Why have women's sports period? Well, this is the thing.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Why not just have all sports be co ed and
let the best man or woman or they them win.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yes, this is why.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Normal people, just everyday Americans can understand this at a
level that the system that the apparatus of transinclusivity can't.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Seem to wrap its head around.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's just as straightforward as why have women's athletics at all?
If it wouldn't be the end of women's athletics to
allow men to play in women's athletics. You don't even
have to get into the scientific question beyond that. So
and by the way, it's also interesting you say that
there might be somebody or there's somebody in the league
who's taking testosterone as a woman, if you've gone through
female puberty, then adding a bunch of testosterone into your
(13:19):
first of all, it's a performance enhancing drug. Which that's
the issue that I think is they might as well
let them take steroids. Yes, which you know that maybe,
but your your physiology mean a woman's body. This is
getting into someone that can only process so much testosterone
play and actually excess testosterone if you're a guy, gets
converted into estrogen or estradile. So it's not just like, oh,
(13:42):
I'm a woman, I want to be a guy. Now
I'm gonna jack myself up with as much testosterone as possible.
You might get some facial hair, but you're gonna have
a whole lot of other problems as well. And you're
not just gonna get giant you know, Schwarzenegger and muscles.
That's not how it works. So this whole thing is
crazy to your point, I don't know at this thea
is how they get around it, don't. I think they're
(14:02):
just going to try to keep doing what you saw
that coach do, which is just talk about love and
inclusion and hope that it goes away and attack anybody
like you or me or the eighty plus percent of
normal Americans out there that are saying this is ludicrous,
it makes no sense. I also think buck this ties
in with Francesca Hong on the whole Thanksgiving thing. This
(14:23):
cuts through, Why is that going to be so watched
all of this discussion? Why is it everywhere? Because people
understand it. You know, there's a lot of political issues
that are very complicated and it's hard to grapple with.
Thanksgiving needs to be canceled because America is too racist people.
It's a record scratch moment. Now that was the worst
(14:45):
that are saying I'm scared of white people basically, which
was pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Men are eligible to play women's sports.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
It also cuts through and just lets people know that
you can't be trusted. We'll take some calls on this.
By the way, lines will be loaded in thirty second
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on your take that Wall Street Journal had a big
piece about that this morning, and Caroline Levitt leaving. We'll
get into all of that and more. Plus Abdul Lsayed
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has decided that he wants to play one on one
football against Mike Rodgers, which is really hysterical and also
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See nice, smart Democrats are welcome here. And he's got
(16:44):
a new op. He's got a new op ed out
about AOC and her run for it, possible run for
the presidency. Doug, good to see it, Good.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
To see you. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Uh, let's talk about it. You wrote about the Wall
Street Journal. Well, we're having this discussion here. Clay likes
to follow the betting markets on this stuff too, and
I will Clay, why don't you tell what is the
betting market saying about AOC right now? AOC is now
the favorite to be the twenty twenty eight Democrat presidential nominee.
That has shifted. Gavin Newsom was the favorite for a
(17:19):
long time. His odds have plummeted on polymarket and on
Calshi and so AOC right now is the favorite to
be the nominee. I don't know if you knew that, Doug,
but thanks for coming on.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
I didn't you.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
I'd looked it up after my oup ed, and you
know I had two reactions, first that I was prescient
and second that I was powerful and influential in influencing.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I don't know if either of those is true, but
I will say this.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
John Zogby, a respective pollster, has done some modeling and
his conclusion is that the strongest of canidate will be
a democratic socialist obviously running on the democratic line. So
that fits with what the prediction markets are saying, and
what I was trying to argue may be the case
(18:10):
in my peace.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Talk to us about what you take from some of
these You mentioned the democratic socialist contingent here within that party.
There seems to be this I don't know if we
could call it conventional wisdom, but you'll certainly hear in
the commentariat. Oh, but the establishment will put their hand
on the scale. Oh, the establishment will make sure that
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they can't. At what point does it seem like the
democratic socialist wing of the party is part of the establishment,
maybe even calling some of the shots.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Well, I guess what I say is politicians and the commentariat,
as you put it, tend to fight the last war.
And I think it's clear to me that in the
past the establishment has tried to keep people like Bernie
Sanders from getting the nomination, particularly in twenty sixteen. But
(19:07):
that being said, I think there's so much anger in
the country and so much suspicion of the establishment that
somebody like AOC if she's able to distinguish herself from
the more extreme versions of the Democratic Socialists, you know,
abolish the Supreme Court, abolish the Senate, abolish the police, etc.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I think she is a very credible candidate.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
And for those who say, oh, she doesn't have much experience,
remember Barack Obama, who've been in the Senate for two years.
She's been in the House I guess eight years now.
And I think the fact that she has a relatively
thin record workstore her advantage.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
So I think she can be the nominee.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
And I'm not saying she will, but I give her
a much greater chance to be the nominee then, at
least until recently, the conventional wisdom suggested Doug.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Francesca Hang wasn't able to get across the finish line
in Wisconsin lost by around three thousand votes. I legitimately
believe she would have won if she hadn't done that
interview with CNN Caitlin Collins, or if she had just
answered I no longer want to ban Thanksgiving, Cancel Thanksgiving
when you look at the WNBA and the fact that
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Democrats and left wingers in particular can't seem to figure
out a way to just walk away from this crazy
idea of men and women's sports. When you look at
the cancel situation with Thanksgiving, some of these things that
aren't quote unquote huge issues are because they cut through
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if you were advising a Democrat, Will anybody be able
to figure out how to handle something like men and
women's sports?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
What should they do?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Or do you think we're going to see ads in
twenty twenty eight all over again like we did in
twenty four that are very helpful to Republican camp.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Very good question if they were listening to me, and
most assuredly the party which is moving far left because
of the Democratic Socialists, notwithstanding whether it's establishment or socialist,
but if the party were listening to me, I'd say, look,
we don't believe that anybody should be discriminated again against
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based on gender or any sort of preference, but we
don't think that biological males should be competing in women's
sports period.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
I think most people accept that.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
I believe it, and I think most Democrats are A
healthy percentage of Democrats believe that.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
So I would tell, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off.
I thought that that was your answer. I was going
to do with something a little way. It's a defensible answer, right,
This is a clan I see here talking about this.
The Democrats are gonna keep getting bludgeoned with this question
as long as they're unwilling to. I mean, you can't
say you don't know. I'll get back to you. The
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science isn't settled or whatever. You can't that's not gonna
fly in front of the electorate. So I think they're
gonna have to move to your position, at least publicly,
even if they don't believe it and would do something
different when they get into power. Talking to Doug shown
by the way peace in the Wall Street Journal, you
guys know him it's a political polster analysts been in
the game a long time. Doug, I'm gonna I gotta
get you on the hot seat on something here for
a second. Sure, our friend Klay Travis, our mutual buddy.
(22:32):
I'm not gonna say he's a Kamala booster per se.
I'm not gonna say he's a Kamala super fan, but
he is both convinced and I think on this one, unfortunately,
he's right because we have a bet that she will run,
and he thinks that she is almost a lock for
the Democrat nomination. I might be overstating that a little bit,
but Clay, what you think seventy five percent she's gonna be?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I want to hear from Doug on this.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I don't think black women are going to leave Kamala,
and the normal Democrat primary electorate is not the normal
Democrat voter, and so I think her base of left
wing maybe not even fair say left wing, but just
black women is more solid right now than anybody else's
base who's gonna run.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I'm curious how Doug.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Would add to to take take us bit of the
numbers as you see it on Kamala getting all the
way to at least the nomination.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Again, how do you see it?
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Well, I think it's going to be a bit more
challenging for her because she was a really pretty bad
candidate in twenty twenty four. That being said, what I've
seen in some of the polls supporting the argument is
that as Newsome has faded, Harris and a couple of
polls has been polling extremely well. I just really wonder
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whether she passes the smell test of credibility.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
And I also what.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
I haven't studied fully and you guys may know better
than me, is with the six states that I've been
picked for the first states to hold democratic primaries, I
don't know how the both the.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
African American preference.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Race and.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Political preference go.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
So I don't think I know enough to say she
will or she won't be the nominee, But I would
say this, there is an opening for a progressive candidate.
Paris has great liabilities. She does have a constituency which
players right does vote in primaries, which is black women,
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older black women in particular.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
But I think she has credibility issues.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
And I think AOC has got a theoretical broader base
than Kamala given twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
We're talking to Doug shown by the way, I think
Kamala will win South Carolina, which is going to be
the first primary, and that will help propeller because obviously
there's a huge black vote in South Carolina. Let me
ask you this, Yeah, Hillary lost in Kamala lost. They
managed to win drag Joe Biden Democrats did across the
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finish line, old white guy. Is there going to be
any attempt, in your mind, Doug, for the powerbrokers of
the Democrat Party to just flat out say, whether it's AOC, Kamala,
Gretchen Whitmer, whoever might decide to be a prominent female candidate,
America is not going to elect a female Democrat candidate.
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What we saw in twenty twenty is we got to
find a bland white guy to be the head of
the ticket. And whether that's Mark Kelly, Andy Basher. Do
you think there's going to be that kind of strategic
calculus going on with somebody like AOC as a vice president,
younger minority vice president candidate like we saw with Biden
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Kamala or do you think twenty twenty is an aberration
and that's not something that Democrats will look toward as
they make their choice in twenty eight.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
I think there are plenty of Democrats privately who take
that position. The problem is, given the nature of the
Democratic primary electorate, which is I think fifty six to
fifty eight percent women, obviously of all races, I think.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
That's a pretty tough.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Position to articulate publicly, which could create a pretty serious backlash.
So while I think the sentiment will be there, I'm
not sure that anybody can in a systematic way proceed
in that fashion and get a moderate male nominated.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Doug, how do you assess the polling out of Texas
right now that says it's a super close race between
tallerco and and Paxton, and even some Poles have tell
Erico ahead of him.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Yeah, I guess what I would say is that I've
looked at the polls since I guess it was the
March first primary, and they've been very close between taller
Ico and Paxon or Cornying when he was a candidate.
I think Paxson is a much weaker candidate than Corning
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would have been.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I do think that it is likely to be a marginal.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Lean Republican state, largely because of voter history. Though the
real question in my mind is does the war in
Iran continue until election day? I'd say if I had
to guess now, I'd say probably yes. But given the
inflation numbers today and the CPI a couple of days ago,
(28:03):
I think Trump and the Republicans are getting a break there.
So I made Packson the favorite narrowly, and I think
he will benefit significantly from the super PACs spending, which
we'll make up for the lack of fundraising prowess that
Packson seemingly lacks.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Thirty seconds, I wanted to ask you this since Buck
asked about polling Michigan and Wisconsin Democrat primary polling wildly
out of whack. Is that something that you think is
going to be an issue for midterms in general? Or
is that Midwest specific that.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Is a primary specific issue. And what happened was abdul
l said in Michigan and Francesca hung and Wisconsin became
the only issue. So they were polling about forty percent
each and that's about what they got the undecided when
(29:03):
all against them. I think both had credibility problems hung
even greater than at El said. But to me, it's
an issue of polling primaries with divisive candidates who have
credibility issues.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Thank you, I'd like to have you on again. This
is fun to have to.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Get your take and thank you both.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Thank you so much. That's Duck shown We appreciate him.
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I'm looking at my quadbox leading Fox News yet again
the WNBA's inability to define what a woman is, despite
the fact that they are lecturing all of the Americans
out there that have been mocking them. They're sale, you're
(32:00):
being racist, sexist, and transphobic by attempting to hold the
WNBA to a standard of what a woman is. And Rush,
By the way, there are a lot of stories Rush
would have loved.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
This is at the absolute apex of one of the
stories that Rush would have lived loved the most, which,
to her credit, Julie and Florida in Our One, inspired
us to go back into the archives. She landed a
I was telling Buck off the air the ds D
E e Z all right, if you are a man
(32:36):
and you just heard me say do you want some
of these? You know exactly what the next word is.
That was like Julie landing the punch on the program earlier.
Here was Julie in Florida in Our One. Julie in Florida,
what you got for us?
Speaker 7 (32:55):
Julie dun guys, thanks a lot for all you do.
I have a thought about this. When this female basketball
player claims that she's a boy, maybe it's so she
can get a prescription for the performance enhancing drugs just
to play better and get more money. But I can
probably assure that she has not agreed to add a
dictomy surgery.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
What is I mean that sounds like it could mean
a lot of things with the middle part of that,
But what kind of surgery is that?
Speaker 7 (33:20):
Add a dick to me?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Hey you, Julie, I mean this is like, this is
life just fell into that, Julie.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
That is unbelievable. Julie is not a medical professional. I
think I think she.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Is uh got that like my uh you can cut
you can cut the clip there, but this is I
will just tell it because my wife is like, you can't.
When my about eleven ten year old middle son, he
was like, Dad, can you can you help me with
one of these?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
And I was like these what? And he said these nuts?
And I mean I just I walked into it.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
It was like a Mike Tyson upper cut back in
the day for those of you who played Mike Tyson's
punch out. Like I just stepped right into it, took
it right on the chin. I couldn't stop laughing. Julie
got me there because I was thinking that it might
be because of the way that it was written on
the screen. I was like, is this a particular type
of surgery? Uh, although I was aware of the middle
(34:22):
part of that. And this, of course is a callback
to rush and we have that audio for you. Well,
first of all, here is Steven Indiana who had a
talk back giving Julie praise.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Listen, go Julie. That was freaking hilarious.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Clay, I don't know what to say about you.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
You lost on that one.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Steve, she got me, I got got As the kids
say here, it was like, wait, is there is there
anesthesia before the addictomy surgery? What kind of recovery time
were we talking about before the addictions were taking it?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
It's so serious. I've tried to be serious for once.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
And the player, the boy, the girl who was pretending
to be a boy, the woman who's a tempt pretending
to be a man in the WNBA had top removal surgery,
and I'm like, is there a particular name for that surgery?
I'm not talking about like a double misseectomy. I don't
know what it's called. When it's choice right, Like, hey,
I just want to try to look more like a man.
(35:20):
So I'm gonna have my breast removed. I don't know
what that's called, so I was thinking, is that actually
what it's called. I was legitimately taking it seriously because
of the way that it was spelled out. I just
want to toss I'm not. I don't like to throw
the producers under the bus, as you will. Julie's like
enjoying a hard lemonade by the pool with a big
smile right now, because she definitely she got one, got
one under the fence today.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Well done.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I will say this, this is all producer Greg's fault
because he didn't spell it in a way where I
would have been like, oh, he spelled it like it
was a medical procedure, as opposed to, you know, the
way it would be spelled if you were talking about
a penis in the middle day. All right, I remember
was it a Wayne's World where they did a sphincter
says what, yes, Wayne's World? Right, that's one hundred percent right,
(36:07):
that is accurate. Similar, similar kind of joke, similar kind
of joke. All right, you have weight. We have to
get the origin story now of yes, a special surgery.
Go ahead, Clay, here is do we have like that
way back machine. Here is Rush with the initial joke. Listen,
here's John and Buffalo.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
Great to have you, John, Thanks for waiting here the
e IV network.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Aloe, Hello Rush. Yeah, I'm old enough to remember explicitive delete.
You remember that one? Right?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 6 (36:33):
And I have no problem with a little off color
humor if it's done with with. But I've always wondered,
how do you get away with an addict? Tom me?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
How did I get away with that addictive me?
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Yeah? I mean it's not exactly subtle.
Speaker 8 (36:48):
Well, now you mean, why have I yet to be
called upon by the San Francisco community.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Or the PC that's a little obvious.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I think why?
Speaker 8 (37:00):
I think because let me, some people may not know
what you're talking about here, and explaining it will explain
why I get away with it.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
There's nothing to get away with here.
Speaker 8 (37:09):
This is brilliant, brilliant, creative use of the language to
convey a bevy of thoughts in one word. What this
the origination of the word san Francisco Again, folks, There
were massive protests on the part of city employees demanding
(37:34):
that the City of San Francisco pay for sex change operations.
It was a very important deal and many on the
San Francisco City counts. I don't know what they actually
call it, but they approved it, thought it was a
great thing, and it was in the news quite a lot.
(37:55):
This is years ago, but it was in the news
quite a lot, and there were quotes from very various
city employees, some who women wanted to become men and
vice versa.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
And so I had.
Speaker 8 (38:08):
To find ways to shorten what I was talking about
so I wouldn't get distracted by process. And so the
female to male sex change operation became the adadittomy. And
to this day there has not been a single objection filed.
(38:31):
Of course there will be now, John, since you brought
it up and made me explain this. And of course
then the other way is the choptic off of me
when you're going the other way. That was not referenced
as much, but they both have seen their day.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Great that is right now We're gonna end up getting
in trouble for Russia's jokes ten years after he made them.
That clip was from January sixteen, twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
And uh, and I got to.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Give credit to Julian Florida for for leading me over
the middle and absolute decking me I guess I enjoyed it.
I really thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
You like that very often. Okay, It's like Trulie, where
did you get your medical degree? It's amazing, all right.
I wanted to play this too.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Uh, we have reached already, buck the stage and miss well.
First on the serious side, I texted this to you.
Abdul El Sayed's wife, sorry, sister, celebrated the October seventh
terror attack on Jewish people by putting up posting that
morning a pillop Palestinian flag and saying good morning freedom.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
That is according to multiple different sources out there. And
again this kind of ties in with what we were
saying with Abdul El Sayed. If you everybody in Michigan
that's going to vote for him, does Abdul El Sayed
in the Muslim community, does Abdul El Sayad hate Jews?
I think almost uniformly they would all say yes. He's
saying publicly he does not. But I think the Muslim
(40:13):
base that he has in the Dearborn area, if you
ask them, hey, do you think El Sayad hates Jews?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
He would say yes.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Okay, we've now reached the point where Abdul El Sayed
is saying a couple of different things that I think
are worth you guys all hearing. First of all, he
is saying that all of you who are MAGA supporters
are the equivalent of the IRGC in Iran. This is
(40:41):
what he said on Fox News talking to Bill Himmer. Listen,
would we all not be better off if the radicals
in Iran did not make their decisions for the people
of Iran in that region.
Speaker 9 (40:51):
Look, at the end of the day, I agree with you,
radicalism of any sort is bad. Which is why this
Maga movement taking us into yet another war in my
life time, and I'm only forty one, is so ridiculous
because that kind of radicalism, that idea that we should
just rattle our sabers and go to war with.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Anybody, that's an open question.
Speaker 9 (41:08):
Meanwhile, you've got the Saudi's, You've got the Qataris who
are buying the Trump administration a jet that he plans
to take after he's done with the presidency. Those are
all radical regimes too, and that we're not going to
war with them.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Okay, So that's always the game. It's the it's the
I to cry radicalism on all sides. I had to
cry violence on all sides. They show you exactly who
they are and what they are in these moments in time.
And I don't want to I want to talk about
this more, Clay. But the sister, his sister, who is
I guess now a sort of limited public figure in
(41:41):
the sense that she's tied to him. But she'd put
this out publicly, so it is a public ratless thing.
What did she write about? She wrote that it's freedom Day.
He's written a bunch of different things. The one that
that I shared was it's a good morning with a
Palestinian flag. In the immediate as we became aware in
the Unitedico way that the attack had occurred, not a
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coincidence on October seventh. You know something that there are
so many ways that you can separate out the moral
core and standing of people who tend to stand with
Israel and people who tend to stand with Hamas and
ten is probably not even a necessary modifier there, because
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really people do one or the other. It is not
a lot of halfway, Clay. You will not see anyone
who is a vocal friend and ally.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Of the state of Israel in our media.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
For example, after there is a sometimes there are bombings
of buildings that happen that are accidents, and there are
people who are killed in war that you will not
see them celebrating that and saying, well, we just got
one hundred more or we just got fifty more or whatever.
You will see that all over the place for people
(42:57):
who are pro Palestinian on October sex And honestly, anytime
that there are israelis that there are Jews killed, they
show you who they are with all of this all
the time. Remember that the game that they played after
October seventh, and I'm sure si Ed if we go
back and look at his Twitter, I would wager that
he was part of this chorus they're.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Calling for a ceasefire.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
This is you know, somebody breaks into your home and
you know, murders all your family members, and on the
way out the door, they're like, hey, hey, I I
know I'm calling for a ceasefire. No, that's not gonna fly,
that's not gonna work. Calling for a ceasefire after the
biggest terror attack in second largest terror attack loss of
(43:40):
life in world history. Really, I mean, it's certainly modern history, Clay,
this whole thing, it just shows you the rotten core
of the left and the pro Palestinian movement and how
much anti Semitism really They really just don't like Jews.
I mean, we could talk about this till we're blue
in the face, and sometimes we do, but they just
(44:01):
don't like they and I don't like, I mean they hate.
They have a hatred of the Jewish people. That's just
the reality of Hamas and it's around of a lot
of Palestinian supporters. Tomorrow we will have some fun with this,
I promise you on Friday, because it's one of the
goofiest things I've seen in Michigan. L Sayed challenged Mike
Rogers to a one on one game of football to
(44:25):
prove how much he actually likes football. Mike Rogers is
sixty three years old. Abdul l Sayed is forty one.
One on one football tackle football. Now, some of you
have played this back in the day, but we are
already here and it's what mid August, we got almost
(44:48):
ninety more days of this insanity, and Abdul l Sayad
was caught talking about how football's a racist and it
reminds him somehow of Native American bring in the United States,
and it's sexist and it's toxically masculine, and his response
is to challenge Mike Rogers to a football game one
(45:10):
on one. I promise you tomorrow we're going to have
some fun, uh with that. But this is where we
where we already go. What's the age difference?
Speaker 6 (45:17):
Again?
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Years age twenty two years? First of all, even if.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Challenging senior citizen to a to a physical contest and
think that that's tough and cool, yes, even if you're forty,
even if you're the same age as else, I ad
one on one football to prove how tough you are?
Is I don't even is there a forty year old
that has played one on one football?
Speaker 2 (45:41):
What is one on one football?
Speaker 6 (45:43):
Well?
Speaker 1 (45:43):
I think that's where I was going to have some
fun with you. Just I mean I used to play it.
I played it with my boys. Two on one. You
have to take shotgun, step back and either you're throwing
a pass to yourself or you're just basically having a race.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Can you run faster to the outside than the other
person can tackle you? It doesn't sound This sounds almost
like you like somebody who would play with imaginary friends.
That sounds a little sad. Honestly, it's very It is weird.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
It's frankly just just very weird, all right.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
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Speaker 4 (49:00):
Katie?
Speaker 2 (49:00):
And Katie's also going to be joining us for the post.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Show YouTube, so all of you who want the fun
to continue, Clay has to run.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
He's got some family stuff to attend to.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
But I'm gonna stay with Katie and we're gonna keep
this live stream on YouTube going after we close up
shop on radio. So if you're listening on radio, stay
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Speaker 2 (49:24):
Check us out.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Katie will take questions from you all there and all that, Clay,
because you're bouncing, I'm gonna give you the first couple
of questions with Katie.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
The witness is yours. You got two lawyers here, by
the way, two lawyers, look at that.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah, Katie, I want to start with that because you're
also a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I want to get your take.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
On this WNBA insanity, which is everywhere. You've got a
bunch of kids. I imagine at some point in time
you're going to be on a sideline with your daughters,
and you're in California, So unfortunately, California is one of
the states that would allow boys to compete against them.
What do you think about this? What does it tell
(50:01):
us that the WNBA is basically just criticizing people who
are criticizing them for not being able to say what a.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Woman is right?
Speaker 6 (50:11):
Well?
Speaker 10 (50:11):
Do I do live in the site where the governor
said it's inherently unfair for biological males to compete in
female sports and has then done nothing about it and
walked back all of those comments.
Speaker 11 (50:21):
So we know where Gavin Newsom stands, which is absolutely useless.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
Governor.
Speaker 10 (50:26):
Thank you Gavin for not protecting women's sports. Look, I
have three boys and a girl. My daughter is ten,
and I have an eleven year old boy, an eight
year old boy, and a five year old boy. And
I have watched all of my boys outpaced my daughter
in a record time almost every single time, including the
five year old, both on runs, on bikes, on scooters.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
And so why is this important?
Speaker 10 (50:48):
Because what women fought for for so long, which was
to have their own sports, to be able to compete
against other women. The fact that the WNBA, the Women's
National Basketball Association, is fighting, literally fighting to allow biological
males to compete against females. Stands against every single thing
(51:12):
all of those progressive female activist rights and did all
through the nineteen sixties, seventies and eighties and onward. And
it's not leveling the playing field for women. It actually
puts women, as everybody knows, at such a serious disadvantage.
And it's disheartening for me that my daughter would have
to play against a biological male.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Now, look, she loves horses.
Speaker 10 (51:35):
I don't think she ever wants to get into competitive sports.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
But the arena is one.
Speaker 10 (51:40):
That every woman should be invested in. And I want
to add one more point. Play it's so disappointing that
actually it's men that are coming to fight for women's
sports more than it is mostly biological women. Now, look,
you have Riley Gaines, you have Cunningham, who have all
these other wonderful women. But why is it that the
NBA players have to say, I want to jump into
(52:03):
the WNBA to actually create.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Standards for women.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
What did you think Buck and I talked about this.
You just mentioned you have three boys and a daughter.
AOC made a big deal of freezing her eggs. She's
going to be thirty seven years old. I believe in
October it got a massive amount of attention. We were
just talking with Doug Showan on the program earlier. AOC
is now the favorite to potentially be the nominee in
(52:28):
twenty twenty eight. Some Republicans, I think stepped all over themselves.
Buck agrees with this, criticizing her for this. How would
you handle a situation like that? Your mom of four?
What did you think when you saw that video go viral?
Speaker 4 (52:42):
Listen?
Speaker 10 (52:43):
I think AOC, she's considering having children later on in life.
Speaker 11 (52:48):
Freezing your eggs is absolutely what she should be doing,
and it is scientific that she should be doing this,
and the fact that she wants to have children later
in life should be celebrated.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
Now, I think that this proves.
Speaker 10 (53:01):
To be a really, really difficult part for her as
she wants to be a presidential front runner. It is
very difficult for anyone to be single, matter it doesn't
matter male or female. So not married and no kids
and a presidential front runner. That really sets her apart
and sets her on the outside of what has been
(53:21):
any typical presidential candidate to this day. It is very
difficult to relate to the American family when you yourself
are not married and don't have any children that you
can speak to, So the two are very separate, her
as a personal and her personal.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Life freezing her eggs.
Speaker 10 (53:38):
I think that is exactly the direction she should go
for presidential purposes. I think it really is going to
be a difficult run for her to be a front runner, unmarried.
Speaker 7 (53:48):
Without children.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
Katie, thanks for being here with us. Gavin Newsham, as
you well know, hails from your home state, and you
are a special Florida correspondent from any things on this show.
We had Doug shown on before. He's a Democrat pollster
in the game for decades, and he pointed out Newsom
seems to be fading. Is that the sense you get
(54:10):
from your Cali contacts?
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Is Newsom losing steam?
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Or is it just too early to know what good
Old Gavin has up his sleeve for twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 10 (54:21):
Well, he's undergoing an unfortunate rebrand where now he is
an insurgent.
Speaker 12 (54:27):
Everybody can see right through this.
Speaker 13 (54:29):
He went to Michigan to campaign for Radical l said,
which I think was a huge mistake.
Speaker 14 (54:34):
Gavin Newsom is losing steam. And for over the last year,
as we've been looking at him trying to pick up
the presidential ticket, I have said, at some point Gavin
Newsom is going to have to fall back on his
policy record, on his track record for California, and when
they look at it, it will.
Speaker 13 (54:50):
Be an abysmal failure. I think he is too big
of a risk for the Democrat Party at this point
to run, not only because the fraud, the open bord
or the illegal aliens, but also the let's just talk
about the fires and the palisades, the lack of business.
Speaker 12 (55:07):
Productivity, the highest rate of exodus out of our state,
the taxes he's now floating, the billionaire's wealth tax, not
not for California but nationwide.
Speaker 13 (55:18):
And so this, this is going to be proved to
be a huge problem for the Democrats, which is why
I'm seeing and I'm sure you guys are too, that
Kamala Harris, our other California success story, is re emerging
as another.
Speaker 14 (55:30):
Front runner for the Democrat Party.
Speaker 13 (55:32):
So, yes, Gavin is losing steam.
Speaker 4 (55:34):
Like his train.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
Hike.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
All right, Tatie, I'm gonna hit you with a question
on the on the on the way out on this
Bluck and I and you can continue with the answer
on YouTube. But we asked Aaron Wexeler about this. Buck
took me to his fancy Miami gym. I went into
his fancy Miami gym, and I felt like I was
at a swimsuit competition. Women everywhere in the gym are
(56:00):
basically working out in bikinis. I couldn't believe it. I
was like, what in the world is going on here?
You've got four kids, but you're also in great shape.
I bet you have seen this gym culture. I want
you to answer this question on YouTube, and this is
going to be a hell of a tease. Everybody, Clay
and Buck YouTube channel. How do you decide as a
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woman because most guys are just wearing you know, like
shorts and T shirts. What is and is not appropriate
to wear to the gym? And am I crazy or
have the outfits changed massively.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
In the last few years.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
Katie is going to answer that question on the YouTube
page on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
Everybody join us, stay with us live here on the stream.
It's going to come up right as the show ends.
Now
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Thursday edition, Clay and Buck.
I hope all of you are having a fantastic day.
We have got a loaded show coming your way. Let's
have some fun positive right off the top here. As
you all know, I like to bring the positivity. S
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and P five hundred setting yet another all time record high.
The five hundred biggest companies in the United States have
never been more highly valued.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
If you have four oh one k's, if you.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Have any stock investments at all, congratulations, you have more
money than you have ever had in the history of
your investments as they are hitting record highs as we speak.
On this day, continued drama surrounding Iran. Caroline Levitt is out.
She announces that she is going to be leaving as
White House Press Secretary. I think we had told you
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that that was highly likely to happen before this year
was out. So she is announced she is leaving at
the end of August. Very successful career and tenure that
she had as a part of Trump two point zero
and during the course of the campaign she not only
had one baby, but two babies, and so it has
been a crazy time for her, and she says she
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wants to spend more time with those two babies, and
given the job that she has, which basically doesn't ever cease,
it is hard to do that as the White House
Press Secretary. So thank you to her for her work there.
You guys have known Caroline for a long time because
we had her on the program quite a lot during
the twenty twenty two midterms when she ran for Congress
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in her home state of New Hampshire. You could say
we were early Caroline Levitt adopters if you will, or
that's accurate. Yeah, that is one hundred percent accurate. Okay, Buck,
I see the leading. We may have offered her a job,
by the way, before she got the press secretary job.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Can't blamers. She was smart to hold out. That's a well.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
We've had several people who have been a part of
our network that have gone right into the right into
the administration. Nicole Saffire and our friend Sean Parnell both
stepped out of the Clay and Buck podcast network into
the White House.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
To be senior senior roles in the Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yep, that is that is how it goes, so, who knows,
maybe one somebody else in the in the podcast universe
will be stepping into the uh into that world. But Buck,
I look up right now and the leading story on
Fox News WNBA not being able to define what a
woman is. This is I can't believe this is real.
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But the story is dominating. We will do three hours today.
I guarantee you the most watched, the most talked about,
the most clipped segment that we will do on.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
This three hours.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And Buck, I know you're like kind of a disbelief
it will be this discussion about the WNBA. I will
put my money where my mouth is. I will tell
you the numbers are through the roof Fox News opening
out numbered with the lead story being this, okay, we've
got a couple of new cuts, big picture.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
They had a meeting of all of the powerbrokers of
the WNBA, the top owners, the top league executives, top players,
association members. They all set around. They met for hours
yesterday trying to discuss what the criteria to play in
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the Women's National Basketball Association is. Remember the W stands
for women, Buck. They cannot figure out what a woman is.
And so they finished this meeting by issuing this statement.
All right, the WNBA said that they were they couldn't
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tell you what a woman is, but they condemned the
hate and vitriol online.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
The bad faith efforts.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
These are direct quotes to demean or marginalize others. So
they didn't actually tell you what a woman was. Instead,
they said, everybody is being mean to us online. We
decry their hate, their transphobia. This is the most left
wing organization maybe on the planet right now, and they
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do not seem to be able to define a very
basic question, which back in the day kindergarten cop was
quite good at. Boys have penises, girls have vaginas. Maybe
we can pull that clip, send it to the WNBA
to help make some decisions here. And you may say, okay,
this is crazy, but remember Katanji Brown Jackson was asked
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by our friend, Senator Marsha Blackburn at her confirmation hearings
if she could say what a woman was, and she
said she was not a biologist. If I remember correctly,
that was her answer under oath at her testimony to
be allowed on the Supreme Court. And so, Buck, we
now are in a position where you have two former
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first round NBA draft picks Enus Canter and also a
Royce White, but we have audio here. They have declared
for the WNBA draft. The league is scrambling to try
to figure out whether or not they can remain in
and there are a couple of cuts here. The Indiana
Fever head coach said kindness will win and everybody else
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can go to hell. This is a real quote. Listen
to this, Stephanie White, cut seven.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
The hate, the fear mongering, the divisiveness, the stuff that's
trying to hijack our league will not win.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It won't win.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
We are united, we are connected, be divided every day.
These women put their on the line. Every day. When
they go low, we go high. Love will win, grace
will win, Humility will win, and kindness will win. I
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stand by them. I will always stand by them. Everybody
else can go to hell.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I think that it's going to be believe this is real.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
It's going to be exciting to see the kindness and
the inclusiveness that they extend to Enu's cantor freedom when
he becomes a W NBA player. The W does in
fact stand for women? What is a woman? They are
uncertain at this point. They are looking into it, Clay,
is my understanding. They are going to look at the data.
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They think it needs more study, so they're going to
do a little bit of a dusting off the notebooks
and look into this what is a woman situation? And
Eni's cantor freedom should definitely be allowed in as well
as these other players who was the other one, Royce
was white. Royce White should definitely be allowed in the WNBA.
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And then they can all be kind to the actual
females in the WNBA when they feel like their league
is being made a mockery of because it's no longer
the WNBA, it is something else when you allow men
into it.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
This is the only logical conclusion.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
They can say these things like this coach all day
that dances around the subject matter. The fact of the
matter is they've got a problem. They have an ideology
that they will not give up on that completely undermines
and would actually destroy disintegrate the thing that they professionally do.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Everything else is just it's just talking. It's talking around
the issue. It's not about kindness. It's about do you
actually allow men to play in your league?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yes or no? That's it.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Let me actually do this, Buck, because I never would
have believed that this was necessary. But I do think
that the WNBA is panicked because they've been put into
a tough spot. Let me give you a couple of
facts that I haven't heard very many people talk about,
and then let me put on the lawyer hat here
for a moment. First of all, the WNBA already has
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a woman who identifies as a man that is played,
and I believe is still playing in the league. Okay,
this is a woman who entered into transtreatment, probably is
getting pumped full of testosterone, and the league has allowed
her to continue to be eligible even though she identifies
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as a man. The fact Buck, that they have not
adopted the Women's Tennis Association, the International Olympic Committee or
the NCAA, that's college athletics, the Olympics and tennis basic
standards where you do a cheek swab and you just
determine one time are you a woman or not biologically
and then it doesn't apply anymore. Makes me believe that
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they are concerned that they have players already who would
not pass as women if they were given a cheek swap.
That's one of the questions here's the challenge legally, Buck,
So you think there are trans players already? I think
there may be. And again this gets into kind of
like the castor Semnias of the world you're talking about
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in so you're talking about interest there. You think there
might be some intersex players with hormone issues. Yes, interesting
that would not qualify under the Olympics, for instance, to
be considered biological women. It makes me wonder because they
won't just put this test in. Here's the issue they're
going to have. They've already allowed this woman identifying as
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a man, probably to pump her body through god knows
how much testosterone to play. In order to exclude Enus
cant Freedom and Royce White, they are going to have
to say that they are not women. In order to
say that they are not women, they're going to have
to acknowledge that they do, in fact know what a
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woman is. And that is why I think they're in
a legally untenable position, because the other option is that
they could define what a woman is. They could just
allow all men, right, which they don't want to do,
which would basically end the WNBA because there would be
no female players if men are eligible, who identify as
women to play and so buck they can't collude now, right,
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it would be antitrust. You'd be able to sue. They
can't change the definitions because they've already arguably entered into
by filing their draft eligibility statements. So I think that
they if they refuse to draft these guys and just
said we're going to collude, that would open them up
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to millions and millions substantial damages. I think that this
is me being just a lawyer and treating this as
a serious question. I think that legally they are on
untenable ground, and that doesn't even analyze the political ramifications
of this. Like ESPN shared the news they couldn't say
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what a woman was and they just got utterly eviscerated online.
Normal guys and gals out there are just saying, what
in the world is going on here?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And this is blowing up on them. And before we.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Even get deep into the science, and you're talking about
the intersex possibility, there are and this is when people
like to get on the left. They'd like to pretend
all of a sudden that they're really about the science.
There are hormonal and chromosomal abnormalities that can occur. It's
very rare, but it can occur. But that's not what
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we're talking about here. Really, that's actually not what the
issue is as we know. And because they say trans players,
they're not saying intersex players. And they could have a standard,
a scientific standard for intersex players that would be applicable.
You can actually enforce a scientific standard about whether you'd
allow intersex players that or not. That would still exclude
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I have long hair and painted fingernails. I'm now a
lady when I'm actually a man. But Clay, the other
part of this is you step back and you say,
why if gender isn't this thing that is so important
for physical capability, why have a w NBA in the
first place.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Why have women's sports period? Well, this is the thing.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Why not just have all sports be co ed and
let the best man or woman or they them win.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yes, this is why.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Normal people, just everyday Americans can understand this at a
level that the system that the apparatus of transinclusivity can't.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Seem to wrap its head around.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's just as straightforward as why have women's athletics at all?
If it wouldn't be the end of women's athletics to
allow men to play in women's athletics. You don't even
have to get into the scientific question beyond that. So
and by the way, it's also interesting you say that
there might be somebody or there's somebody in the league
who's taking testosterone as a woman, if you've gone through
female puberty, then adding a bunch of testosterone into your
(13:19):
first of all, it's a performance enhancing drug. Which that's
the issue that I think is they might as well
let them take steroids. Yes, which you know that maybe,
but your your physiology mean a woman's body. This is
getting into someone that can only process so much testosterone
play and actually excess testosterone if you're a guy, gets
converted into estrogen or estradile. So it's not just like, oh,
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I'm a woman, I want to be a guy. Now
I'm gonna jack myself up with as much testosterone as possible.
You might get some facial hair, but you're gonna have
a whole lot of other problems as well. And you're
not just gonna get giant you know, Schwarzenegger and muscles.
That's not how it works. So this whole thing is
crazy to your point, I don't know at this thea
is how they get around it, don't. I think they're
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just going to try to keep doing what you saw
that coach do, which is just talk about love and
inclusion and hope that it goes away and attack anybody
like you or me or the eighty plus percent of
normal Americans out there that are saying this is ludicrous,
it makes no sense. I also think buck this ties
in with Francesca Hong on the whole Thanksgiving thing. This
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cuts through, Why is that going to be so watched
all of this discussion? Why is it everywhere? Because people
understand it. You know, there's a lot of political issues
that are very complicated and it's hard to grapple with.
Thanksgiving needs to be canceled because America is too racist people.
It's a record scratch moment. Now that was the worst
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that are saying I'm scared of white people basically, which
was pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Men are eligible to play women's sports.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
It also cuts through and just lets people know that
you can't be trusted. We'll take some calls on this.
By the way, lines will be loaded in thirty second
against eight hundred and two two two eight A two
Mom Donnie's honeymoon over in New York. Buck, I'm curious
on your take that Wall Street Journal had a big
piece about that this morning, and Caroline Levitt leaving. We'll
get into all of that and more. Plus Abdul Lsayed
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has decided that he wants to play one on one
football against Mike Rodgers, which is really hysterical and also
evidence that there are no normal Democrat men. But I
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us now. He's a long time Democratic strategist and falls dirt.
See nice, smart Democrats are welcome here. And he's got
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a new op. He's got a new op ed out
about AOC and her run for it, possible run for
the presidency. Doug, good to see it, Good.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
To see you. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Uh, let's talk about it. You wrote about the Wall
Street Journal. Well, we're having this discussion here. Clay likes
to follow the betting markets on this stuff too, and
I will Clay, why don't you tell what is the
betting market saying about AOC right now? AOC is now
the favorite to be the twenty twenty eight Democrat presidential nominee.
That has shifted. Gavin Newsom was the favorite for a
(17:19):
long time. His odds have plummeted on polymarket and on
Calshi and so AOC right now is the favorite to
be the nominee. I don't know if you knew that, Doug,
but thanks for coming on.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
I didn't you.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
I'd looked it up after my oup ed, and you
know I had two reactions, first that I was prescient
and second that I was powerful and influential in influencing.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I don't know if either of those is true, but
I will say this.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
John Zogby, a respective pollster, has done some modeling and
his conclusion is that the strongest of canidate will be
a democratic socialist obviously running on the democratic line. So
that fits with what the prediction markets are saying, and
what I was trying to argue may be the case
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in my peace.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Talk to us about what you take from some of
these You mentioned the democratic socialist contingent here within that party.
There seems to be this I don't know if we
could call it conventional wisdom, but you'll certainly hear in
the commentariat. Oh, but the establishment will put their hand
on the scale. Oh, the establishment will make sure that
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they can't. At what point does it seem like the
democratic socialist wing of the party is part of the establishment,
maybe even calling some of the shots.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Well, I guess what I say is politicians and the commentariat,
as you put it, tend to fight the last war.
And I think it's clear to me that in the
past the establishment has tried to keep people like Bernie
Sanders from getting the nomination, particularly in twenty sixteen. But
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that being said, I think there's so much anger in
the country and so much suspicion of the establishment that
somebody like AOC if she's able to distinguish herself from
the more extreme versions of the Democratic Socialists, you know,
abolish the Supreme Court, abolish the Senate, abolish the police, etc.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I think she is a very credible candidate.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
And for those who say, oh, she doesn't have much experience,
remember Barack Obama, who've been in the Senate for two years.
She's been in the House I guess eight years now.
And I think the fact that she has a relatively
thin record workstore her advantage.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
So I think she can be the nominee.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
And I'm not saying she will, but I give her
a much greater chance to be the nominee then, at
least until recently, the conventional wisdom suggested Doug.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Francesca Hang wasn't able to get across the finish line
in Wisconsin lost by around three thousand votes. I legitimately
believe she would have won if she hadn't done that
interview with CNN Caitlin Collins, or if she had just
answered I no longer want to ban Thanksgiving, Cancel Thanksgiving
when you look at the WNBA and the fact that
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Democrats and left wingers in particular can't seem to figure
out a way to just walk away from this crazy
idea of men and women's sports. When you look at
the cancel situation with Thanksgiving, some of these things that
aren't quote unquote huge issues are because they cut through
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if you were advising a Democrat, Will anybody be able
to figure out how to handle something like men and
women's sports?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
What should they do?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Or do you think we're going to see ads in
twenty twenty eight all over again like we did in
twenty four that are very helpful to Republican camp.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Very good question if they were listening to me, and
most assuredly the party which is moving far left because
of the Democratic Socialists, notwithstanding whether it's establishment or socialist,
but if the party were listening to me, I'd say, look,
we don't believe that anybody should be discriminated again against
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based on gender or any sort of preference, but we
don't think that biological males should be competing in women's
sports period.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
I think most people accept that.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
I believe it, and I think most Democrats are A
healthy percentage of Democrats believe that.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
So I would tell, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off.
I thought that that was your answer. I was going
to do with something a little way. It's a defensible answer, right,
This is a clan I see here talking about this.
The Democrats are gonna keep getting bludgeoned with this question
as long as they're unwilling to. I mean, you can't
say you don't know. I'll get back to you. The
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science isn't settled or whatever. You can't that's not gonna
fly in front of the electorate. So I think they're
gonna have to move to your position, at least publicly,
even if they don't believe it and would do something
different when they get into power. Talking to Doug shown
by the way peace in the Wall Street Journal, you
guys know him it's a political polster analysts been in
the game a long time. Doug, I'm gonna I gotta
get you on the hot seat on something here for
a second. Sure, our friend Klay Travis, our mutual buddy.
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I'm not gonna say he's a Kamala booster per se.
I'm not gonna say he's a Kamala super fan, but
he is both convinced and I think on this one, unfortunately,
he's right because we have a bet that she will run,
and he thinks that she is almost a lock for
the Democrat nomination. I might be overstating that a little bit,
but Clay, what you think seventy five percent she's gonna be?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I want to hear from Doug on this.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I don't think black women are going to leave Kamala,
and the normal Democrat primary electorate is not the normal
Democrat voter, and so I think her base of left
wing maybe not even fair say left wing, but just
black women is more solid right now than anybody else's
base who's gonna run.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I'm curious how Doug.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Would add to to take take us bit of the
numbers as you see it on Kamala getting all the
way to at least the nomination.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Again, how do you see it?
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Well, I think it's going to be a bit more
challenging for her because she was a really pretty bad
candidate in twenty twenty four. That being said, what I've
seen in some of the polls supporting the argument is
that as Newsome has faded, Harris and a couple of
polls has been polling extremely well. I just really wonder
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whether she passes the smell test of credibility.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
And I also what.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
I haven't studied fully and you guys may know better
than me, is with the six states that I've been
picked for the first states to hold democratic primaries, I
don't know how the both the.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
African American preference.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Race and.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Political preference go.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
So I don't think I know enough to say she
will or she won't be the nominee, But I would
say this, there is an opening for a progressive candidate.
Paris has great liabilities. She does have a constituency which
players right does vote in primaries, which is black women,
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older black women in particular.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
But I think she has credibility issues.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
And I think AOC has got a theoretical broader base
than Kamala given twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
We're talking to Doug shown by the way, I think
Kamala will win South Carolina, which is going to be
the first primary, and that will help propeller because obviously
there's a huge black vote in South Carolina. Let me
ask you this, Yeah, Hillary lost in Kamala lost. They
managed to win drag Joe Biden Democrats did across the
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finish line, old white guy. Is there going to be
any attempt, in your mind, Doug, for the powerbrokers of
the Democrat Party to just flat out say, whether it's AOC, Kamala,
Gretchen Whitmer, whoever might decide to be a prominent female candidate,
America is not going to elect a female Democrat candidate.
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What we saw in twenty twenty is we got to
find a bland white guy to be the head of
the ticket. And whether that's Mark Kelly, Andy Basher. Do
you think there's going to be that kind of strategic
calculus going on with somebody like AOC as a vice president,
younger minority vice president candidate like we saw with Biden
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Kamala or do you think twenty twenty is an aberration
and that's not something that Democrats will look toward as
they make their choice in twenty eight.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
I think there are plenty of Democrats privately who take
that position. The problem is, given the nature of the
Democratic primary electorate, which is I think fifty six to
fifty eight percent women, obviously of all races, I think.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
That's a pretty tough.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Position to articulate publicly, which could create a pretty serious backlash.
So while I think the sentiment will be there, I'm
not sure that anybody can in a systematic way proceed
in that fashion and get a moderate male nominated.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Doug, how do you assess the polling out of Texas
right now that says it's a super close race between
tallerco and and Paxton, and even some Poles have tell
Erico ahead of him.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Yeah, I guess what I would say is that I've
looked at the polls since I guess it was the
March first primary, and they've been very close between taller
Ico and Paxon or Cornying when he was a candidate.
I think Paxson is a much weaker candidate than Corning
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would have been.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I do think that it is likely to be a marginal.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Lean Republican state, largely because of voter history. Though the
real question in my mind is does the war in
Iran continue until election day? I'd say if I had
to guess now, I'd say probably yes. But given the
inflation numbers today and the CPI a couple of days ago,
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I think Trump and the Republicans are getting a break there.
So I made Packson the favorite narrowly, and I think
he will benefit significantly from the super PACs spending, which
we'll make up for the lack of fundraising prowess that
Packson seemingly lacks.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Thirty seconds, I wanted to ask you this since Buck
asked about polling Michigan and Wisconsin Democrat primary polling wildly
out of whack. Is that something that you think is
going to be an issue for midterms in general? Or
is that Midwest specific that.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Is a primary specific issue. And what happened was abdul
l said in Michigan and Francesca hung and Wisconsin became
the only issue. So they were polling about forty percent
each and that's about what they got the undecided when
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all against them. I think both had credibility problems hung
even greater than at El said. But to me, it's
an issue of polling primaries with divisive candidates who have
credibility issues.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Thank you, I'd like to have you on again. This
is fun to have to.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Get your take and thank you both.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Thank you so much. That's Duck shown We appreciate him.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
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Good news off the top.
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we are seeing record highs in the s and P
five hundred today at WNBA at the top of news Buck,
I'm looking at my quadbox leading Fox News yet again
the WNBA's inability to define what a woman is, despite
the fact that they are lecturing all of the Americans
out there that have been mocking them. They're sale, you're
(32:00):
being racist, sexist, and transphobic by attempting to hold the
WNBA to a standard of what a woman is. And Rush,
By the way, there are a lot of stories Rush
would have loved.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
This is at the absolute apex of one of the
stories that Rush would have lived loved the most, which,
to her credit, Julie and Florida in Our One, inspired
us to go back into the archives. She landed a
I was telling Buck off the air the ds D
E e Z all right, if you are a man
(32:36):
and you just heard me say do you want some
of these? You know exactly what the next word is.
That was like Julie landing the punch on the program earlier.
Here was Julie in Florida in Our One. Julie in Florida,
what you got for us?
Speaker 7 (32:55):
Julie dun guys, thanks a lot for all you do.
I have a thought about this. When this female basketball
player claims that she's a boy, maybe it's so she
can get a prescription for the performance enhancing drugs just
to play better and get more money. But I can
probably assure that she has not agreed to add a
dictomy surgery.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
What is I mean that sounds like it could mean
a lot of things with the middle part of that,
But what kind of surgery is that?
Speaker 7 (33:20):
Add a dick to me?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Hey you, Julie, I mean this is like, this is
life just fell into that, Julie.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
That is unbelievable. Julie is not a medical professional. I
think I think she.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Is uh got that like my uh you can cut
you can cut the clip there, but this is I
will just tell it because my wife is like, you can't.
When my about eleven ten year old middle son, he
was like, Dad, can you can you help me with
one of these?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
And I was like these what? And he said these nuts?
And I mean I just I walked into it.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
It was like a Mike Tyson upper cut back in
the day for those of you who played Mike Tyson's
punch out. Like I just stepped right into it, took
it right on the chin. I couldn't stop laughing. Julie
got me there because I was thinking that it might
be because of the way that it was written on
the screen. I was like, is this a particular type
of surgery? Uh, although I was aware of the middle
(34:22):
part of that. And this, of course is a callback
to rush and we have that audio for you. Well,
first of all, here is Steven Indiana who had a
talk back giving Julie praise.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Listen, go Julie. That was freaking hilarious.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Clay, I don't know what to say about you.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
You lost on that one.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Steve, she got me, I got got As the kids
say here, it was like, wait, is there is there
anesthesia before the addictomy surgery? What kind of recovery time
were we talking about before the addictions were taking it?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
It's so serious. I've tried to be serious for once.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
And the player, the boy, the girl who was pretending
to be a boy, the woman who's a tempt pretending
to be a man in the WNBA had top removal surgery,
and I'm like, is there a particular name for that surgery?
I'm not talking about like a double misseectomy. I don't
know what it's called. When it's choice right, Like, hey,
I just want to try to look more like a man.
(35:20):
So I'm gonna have my breast removed. I don't know
what that's called, so I was thinking, is that actually
what it's called. I was legitimately taking it seriously because
of the way that it was spelled out. I just
want to toss I'm not. I don't like to throw
the producers under the bus, as you will. Julie's like
enjoying a hard lemonade by the pool with a big
smile right now, because she definitely she got one, got
one under the fence today.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Well done.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I will say this, this is all producer Greg's fault
because he didn't spell it in a way where I
would have been like, oh, he spelled it like it
was a medical procedure, as opposed to, you know, the
way it would be spelled if you were talking about
a penis in the middle day. All right, I remember
was it a Wayne's World where they did a sphincter
says what, yes, Wayne's World? Right, that's one hundred percent right,
(36:07):
that is accurate. Similar, similar kind of joke, similar kind
of joke. All right, you have weight. We have to
get the origin story now of yes, a special surgery.
Go ahead, Clay, here is do we have like that
way back machine. Here is Rush with the initial joke. Listen,
here's John and Buffalo.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
Great to have you, John, Thanks for waiting here the
e IV network.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Aloe, Hello Rush. Yeah, I'm old enough to remember explicitive delete.
You remember that one? Right?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 6 (36:33):
And I have no problem with a little off color
humor if it's done with with. But I've always wondered,
how do you get away with an addict? Tom me?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
How did I get away with that addictive me?
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Yeah? I mean it's not exactly subtle.
Speaker 8 (36:48):
Well, now you mean, why have I yet to be
called upon by the San Francisco community.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Or the PC that's a little obvious.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I think why?
Speaker 8 (37:00):
I think because let me, some people may not know
what you're talking about here, and explaining it will explain
why I get away with it.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
There's nothing to get away with here.
Speaker 8 (37:09):
This is brilliant, brilliant, creative use of the language to
convey a bevy of thoughts in one word. What this
the origination of the word san Francisco Again, folks, There
were massive protests on the part of city employees demanding
(37:34):
that the City of San Francisco pay for sex change operations.
It was a very important deal and many on the
San Francisco City counts. I don't know what they actually
call it, but they approved it, thought it was a
great thing, and it was in the news quite a lot.
(37:55):
This is years ago, but it was in the news
quite a lot, and there were quotes from very various
city employees, some who women wanted to become men and
vice versa.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
And so I had.
Speaker 8 (38:08):
To find ways to shorten what I was talking about
so I wouldn't get distracted by process. And so the
female to male sex change operation became the adadittomy. And
to this day there has not been a single objection filed.
(38:31):
Of course there will be now, John, since you brought
it up and made me explain this. And of course
then the other way is the choptic off of me
when you're going the other way. That was not referenced
as much, but they both have seen their day.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Great that is right now We're gonna end up getting
in trouble for Russia's jokes ten years after he made them.
That clip was from January sixteen, twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
And uh, and I got to.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Give credit to Julian Florida for for leading me over
the middle and absolute decking me I guess I enjoyed it.
I really thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
You like that very often. Okay, It's like Trulie, where
did you get your medical degree? It's amazing, all right.
I wanted to play this too.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Uh, we have reached already, buck the stage and miss well.
First on the serious side, I texted this to you.
Abdul El Sayed's wife, sorry, sister, celebrated the October seventh
terror attack on Jewish people by putting up posting that
morning a pillop Palestinian flag and saying good morning freedom.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
That is according to multiple different sources out there. And
again this kind of ties in with what we were
saying with Abdul El Sayed. If you everybody in Michigan
that's going to vote for him, does Abdul El Sayed
in the Muslim community, does Abdul El Sayad hate Jews?
I think almost uniformly they would all say yes. He's
saying publicly he does not. But I think the Muslim
(40:13):
base that he has in the Dearborn area, if you
ask them, hey, do you think El Sayad hates Jews?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
He would say yes.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Okay, we've now reached the point where Abdul El Sayed
is saying a couple of different things that I think
are worth you guys all hearing. First of all, he
is saying that all of you who are MAGA supporters
are the equivalent of the IRGC in Iran. This is
(40:41):
what he said on Fox News talking to Bill Himmer. Listen,
would we all not be better off if the radicals
in Iran did not make their decisions for the people
of Iran in that region.
Speaker 9 (40:51):
Look, at the end of the day, I agree with you,
radicalism of any sort is bad. Which is why this
Maga movement taking us into yet another war in my
life time, and I'm only forty one, is so ridiculous
because that kind of radicalism, that idea that we should
just rattle our sabers and go to war with.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Anybody, that's an open question.
Speaker 9 (41:08):
Meanwhile, you've got the Saudi's, You've got the Qataris who
are buying the Trump administration a jet that he plans
to take after he's done with the presidency. Those are
all radical regimes too, and that we're not going to
war with them.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Okay, So that's always the game. It's the it's the
I to cry radicalism on all sides. I had to
cry violence on all sides. They show you exactly who
they are and what they are in these moments in time.
And I don't want to I want to talk about
this more, Clay. But the sister, his sister, who is
I guess now a sort of limited public figure in
(41:41):
the sense that she's tied to him. But she'd put
this out publicly, so it is a public ratless thing.
What did she write about? She wrote that it's freedom Day.
He's written a bunch of different things. The one that
that I shared was it's a good morning with a
Palestinian flag. In the immediate as we became aware in
the Unitedico way that the attack had occurred, not a
(42:01):
coincidence on October seventh. You know something that there are
so many ways that you can separate out the moral
core and standing of people who tend to stand with
Israel and people who tend to stand with Hamas and
ten is probably not even a necessary modifier there, because
(42:22):
really people do one or the other. It is not
a lot of halfway, Clay. You will not see anyone
who is a vocal friend and ally.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Of the state of Israel in our media.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
For example, after there is a sometimes there are bombings
of buildings that happen that are accidents, and there are
people who are killed in war that you will not
see them celebrating that and saying, well, we just got
one hundred more or we just got fifty more or whatever.
You will see that all over the place for people
(42:57):
who are pro Palestinian on October sex And honestly, anytime
that there are israelis that there are Jews killed, they
show you who they are with all of this all
the time. Remember that the game that they played after
October seventh, and I'm sure si Ed if we go
back and look at his Twitter, I would wager that
he was part of this chorus they're.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Calling for a ceasefire.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
This is you know, somebody breaks into your home and
you know, murders all your family members, and on the
way out the door, they're like, hey, hey, I I
know I'm calling for a ceasefire. No, that's not gonna fly,
that's not gonna work. Calling for a ceasefire after the
biggest terror attack in second largest terror attack loss of
(43:40):
life in world history. Really, I mean, it's certainly modern history, Clay,
this whole thing, it just shows you the rotten core
of the left and the pro Palestinian movement and how
much anti Semitism really They really just don't like Jews.
I mean, we could talk about this till we're blue
in the face, and sometimes we do, but they just
(44:01):
don't like they and I don't like, I mean they hate.
They have a hatred of the Jewish people. That's just
the reality of Hamas and it's around of a lot
of Palestinian supporters. Tomorrow we will have some fun with this,
I promise you on Friday, because it's one of the
goofiest things I've seen in Michigan. L Sayed challenged Mike
Rogers to a one on one game of football to
(44:25):
prove how much he actually likes football. Mike Rogers is
sixty three years old. Abdul l Sayed is forty one.
One on one football tackle football. Now, some of you
have played this back in the day, but we are
already here and it's what mid August, we got almost
(44:48):
ninety more days of this insanity, and Abdul l Sayad
was caught talking about how football's a racist and it
reminds him somehow of Native American bring in the United States,
and it's sexist and it's toxically masculine, and his response
is to challenge Mike Rogers to a football game one
(45:10):
on one. I promise you tomorrow we're going to have
some fun, uh with that. But this is where we
where we already go. What's the age difference?
Speaker 6 (45:17):
Again?
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Years age twenty two years? First of all, even if.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Challenging senior citizen to a to a physical contest and
think that that's tough and cool, yes, even if you're forty,
even if you're the same age as else, I ad
one on one football to prove how tough you are?
Is I don't even is there a forty year old
that has played one on one football?
Speaker 2 (45:41):
What is one on one football?
Speaker 6 (45:43):
Well?
Speaker 1 (45:43):
I think that's where I was going to have some
fun with you. Just I mean I used to play it.
I played it with my boys. Two on one. You
have to take shotgun, step back and either you're throwing
a pass to yourself or you're just basically having a race.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Can you run faster to the outside than the other
person can tackle you? It doesn't sound This sounds almost
like you like somebody who would play with imaginary friends.
That sounds a little sad. Honestly, it's very It is weird.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
It's frankly just just very weird, all right.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
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Speaker 4 (49:00):
Katie?
Speaker 2 (49:00):
And Katie's also going to be joining us for the post.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Show YouTube, so all of you who want the fun
to continue, Clay has to run.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
He's got some family stuff to attend to.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
But I'm gonna stay with Katie and we're gonna keep
this live stream on YouTube going after we close up
shop on radio. So if you're listening on radio, stay
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Speaker 2 (49:24):
Check us out.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Katie will take questions from you all there and all that, Clay,
because you're bouncing, I'm gonna give you the first couple
of questions with Katie.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
The witness is yours. You got two lawyers here, by
the way, two lawyers, look at that.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah, Katie, I want to start with that because you're
also a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I want to get your take.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
On this WNBA insanity, which is everywhere. You've got a
bunch of kids. I imagine at some point in time
you're going to be on a sideline with your daughters,
and you're in California, So unfortunately, California is one of
the states that would allow boys to compete against them.
What do you think about this? What does it tell
(50:01):
us that the WNBA is basically just criticizing people who
are criticizing them for not being able to say what a.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Woman is right?
Speaker 6 (50:11):
Well?
Speaker 10 (50:11):
Do I do live in the site where the governor
said it's inherently unfair for biological males to compete in
female sports and has then done nothing about it and
walked back all of those comments.
Speaker 11 (50:21):
So we know where Gavin Newsom stands, which is absolutely useless.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
Governor.
Speaker 10 (50:26):
Thank you Gavin for not protecting women's sports. Look, I
have three boys and a girl. My daughter is ten,
and I have an eleven year old boy, an eight
year old boy, and a five year old boy. And
I have watched all of my boys outpaced my daughter
in a record time almost every single time, including the
five year old, both on runs, on bikes, on scooters.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
And so why is this important?
Speaker 10 (50:48):
Because what women fought for for so long, which was
to have their own sports, to be able to compete
against other women. The fact that the WNBA, the Women's
National Basketball Association, is fighting, literally fighting to allow biological
males to compete against females. Stands against every single thing
(51:12):
all of those progressive female activist rights and did all
through the nineteen sixties, seventies and eighties and onward. And
it's not leveling the playing field for women. It actually
puts women, as everybody knows, at such a serious disadvantage.
And it's disheartening for me that my daughter would have
to play against a biological male.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Now, look, she loves horses.
Speaker 10 (51:35):
I don't think she ever wants to get into competitive sports.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
But the arena is one.
Speaker 10 (51:40):
That every woman should be invested in. And I want
to add one more point. Play it's so disappointing that
actually it's men that are coming to fight for women's
sports more than it is mostly biological women. Now, look,
you have Riley Gaines, you have Cunningham, who have all
these other wonderful women. But why is it that the
NBA players have to say, I want to jump into
(52:03):
the WNBA to actually create.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Standards for women.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
What did you think Buck and I talked about this.
You just mentioned you have three boys and a daughter.
AOC made a big deal of freezing her eggs. She's
going to be thirty seven years old. I believe in
October it got a massive amount of attention. We were
just talking with Doug Showan on the program earlier. AOC
is now the favorite to potentially be the nominee in
(52:28):
twenty twenty eight. Some Republicans, I think stepped all over themselves.
Buck agrees with this, criticizing her for this. How would
you handle a situation like that? Your mom of four?
What did you think when you saw that video go viral?
Speaker 4 (52:42):
Listen?
Speaker 10 (52:43):
I think AOC, she's considering having children later on in life.
Speaker 11 (52:48):
Freezing your eggs is absolutely what she should be doing,
and it is scientific that she should be doing this,
and the fact that she wants to have children later
in life should be celebrated.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
Now, I think that this proves.
Speaker 10 (53:01):
To be a really, really difficult part for her as
she wants to be a presidential front runner. It is
very difficult for anyone to be single, matter it doesn't
matter male or female. So not married and no kids
and a presidential front runner. That really sets her apart
and sets her on the outside of what has been
(53:21):
any typical presidential candidate to this day. It is very
difficult to relate to the American family when you yourself
are not married and don't have any children that you
can speak to, So the two are very separate, her
as a personal and her personal.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Life freezing her eggs.
Speaker 10 (53:38):
I think that is exactly the direction she should go
for presidential purposes. I think it really is going to
be a difficult run for her to be a front runner, unmarried.
Speaker 7 (53:48):
Without children.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
Katie, thanks for being here with us. Gavin Newsham, as
you well know, hails from your home state, and you
are a special Florida correspondent from any things on this show.
We had Doug shown on before. He's a Democrat pollster
in the game for decades, and he pointed out Newsom
seems to be fading. Is that the sense you get
(54:10):
from your Cali contacts?
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Is Newsom losing steam?
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Or is it just too early to know what good
Old Gavin has up his sleeve for twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 10 (54:21):
Well, he's undergoing an unfortunate rebrand where now he is
an insurgent.
Speaker 12 (54:27):
Everybody can see right through this.
Speaker 13 (54:29):
He went to Michigan to campaign for Radical l said,
which I think was a huge mistake.
Speaker 14 (54:34):
Gavin Newsom is losing steam. And for over the last year,
as we've been looking at him trying to pick up
the presidential ticket, I have said, at some point Gavin
Newsom is going to have to fall back on his
policy record, on his track record for California, and when
they look at it, it will.
Speaker 13 (54:50):
Be an abysmal failure. I think he is too big
of a risk for the Democrat Party at this point
to run, not only because the fraud, the open bord
or the illegal aliens, but also the let's just talk
about the fires and the palisades, the lack of business.
Speaker 12 (55:07):
Productivity, the highest rate of exodus out of our state,
the taxes he's now floating, the billionaire's wealth tax, not
not for California but nationwide.
Speaker 13 (55:18):
And so this, this is going to be proved to
be a huge problem for the Democrats, which is why
I'm seeing and I'm sure you guys are too, that
Kamala Harris, our other California success story, is re emerging
as another.
Speaker 14 (55:30):
Front runner for the Democrat Party.
Speaker 13 (55:32):
So, yes, Gavin is losing steam.
Speaker 4 (55:34):
Like his train.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
Hike.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
All right, Tatie, I'm gonna hit you with a question
on the on the on the way out on this
Bluck and I and you can continue with the answer
on YouTube. But we asked Aaron Wexeler about this. Buck
took me to his fancy Miami gym. I went into
his fancy Miami gym, and I felt like I was
at a swimsuit competition. Women everywhere in the gym are
(56:00):
basically working out in bikinis. I couldn't believe it. I
was like, what in the world is going on here?
You've got four kids, but you're also in great shape.
I bet you have seen this gym culture. I want
you to answer this question on YouTube, and this is
going to be a hell of a tease. Everybody, Clay
and Buck YouTube channel. How do you decide as a
(56:22):
woman because most guys are just wearing you know, like
shorts and T shirts. What is and is not appropriate
to wear to the gym? And am I crazy or
have the outfits changed massively.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
In the last few years.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
Katie is going to answer that question on the YouTube
page on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
Everybody join us, stay with us live here on the stream.
It's going to come up right as the show ends.
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Betrayal Weekly
Betrayal Weekly is back for a new season. Every Thursday, Betrayal Weekly shares first-hand accounts of broken trust, shocking deceptions, and the trail of destruction they leave behind. Hosted by Andrea Gunning, this weekly ongoing series digs into real-life stories of betrayal and the aftermath. From stories of double lives to dark discoveries, these are cautionary tales and accounts of resilience against all odds. From the producers of the critically acclaimed Betrayal series, Betrayal Weekly drops new episodes every Thursday. If you would like to share your story, you can reach out to the Betrayal Team by emailing them at betrayalpod@gmail.com and follow us on Instagram at @betrayalpod and @glasspodcasts. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations, and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience, and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com