Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Aug 31 2026

Clay argues that public support for Lindsey Clancy reflects a larger societal problem in which sympathy is being directed toward perpetrators rather than victims. He compares reactions to the Clancy case with public responses to the killing of healthcare executive Brian Thompson by Luigi Mangione and the murder of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, citing polling that he says shows a notable percentage of Americans expressing acceptance or justification for political or ideological violence. Clay contends that these examples illustrate a deeper cultural and moral crisis, raising concerns about political extremism, public attitudes toward violence, and the erosion of shared values.

The program features extensive listener interaction, with callers weighing in on the causes of violent crime, mental illness, and the Clancy case. One caller argues that failures within the psychiatric healthcare system, including the prescribing of multiple medications and inadequate patient monitoring, may have contributed to tragic outcomes. This leads to a broader discussion about mental health treatment, prescription drug use, pharmaceutical oversight, and whether America has become overly reliant on medication, particularly among younger people. Clay questions the widespread use of psychiatric and other prescription drugs and argues for greater scrutiny of how medications are prescribed and managed.

Another major theme in Hour 1 centers on the legal system and criminal accountability. Drawing on his background as an attorney, Clay advocates for stricter legal consequences in cases involving the murder of children. He discusses the concept of strict liability offenses and argues that child murder cases should allow fewer defenses based on mental state or mental illness. Throughout the hour, he repeatedly emphasizes the importance of focusing compassion on victims and surviving family members rather than on those accused or convicted of violent crimes.

The conversation also expands into broader cultural and social issues. Clay examines why he believes certain segments of society are increasingly sympathetic toward criminals or individuals accused of serious wrongdoing. He discusses gender differences in reactions to high-profile criminal cases, questions the influence of social media and modern culture, and explores how public perceptions can be shaped by ideology and identity politics. These discussions tie into larger debates about crime, justice, public opinion, and cultural values in modern America.

Clay brings up the tenth anniversary of former NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick's national anthem protests and the broader legacy of the Black Lives Matter movement. Clay examines what he describes as the consequences of "Woke 1.0" politics, referencing recent comments from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez about earlier progressive movements. He argues that anti-police rhetoric, calls to defund police departments, and criticism of law enforcement had significant real-world consequences, including rising crime rates and increases in homicides during the late 2010s and early 2020s. The discussion explores policing, criminal justice policy, public safety, urban violence, political accountability, and the long-term impact of social movements on crime trends in America.

Clay also shares a personal story connected to a recent high school football game in Nashville, where a teenage student, Cameron Frierson, was fatally shot after attending a game. Using the tragedy as a springboard, he discusses violent crime, unsolved murders, community safety, and the importance of supporting law enforcement efforts to identify and prosecute offenders. He also explains his decision to contribute personal funds to increase a reward for information leading to an arrest in the case. The segment expands into a broader discussion about homicide statistics, crime prevention, and the challenges facing major American cities.

Clay does a follow-up discussion surrounding the state of American agriculture and food production after the previous hour's interview about the ranching industry. Clay reiterates concerns about declining U.S. cattle herds, food independence, domestic food production, and consumer awareness regarding American-made products. He argues that many consumers would prefer to support American ranchers and farmers if given greater transparency about where their food originates, tying the issue into broader conversations about economic self-sufficiency and national resilience.

A major portion returns to the Lindsay Clancy murder trial, which remains one of the dominant news stories discussed throughout the broadcast. Clay addresses reactions from listeners and revisits what he sees as a growing cultural tendency to direct sympathy toward perpetrators rather than victims. He discusses the public debate surrounding the insanity defense, the jury's ongoing deliberations,

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Monday edition, Clay and Buck. We appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. I am Clay. Hello
on YouTube and everybody out there watching and listening across
the nation. We're going to have. A fun Monday show
for all of you. Buck is out today. He will

(00:20):
be back with me tomorrow. And I'm sure he will
be missing all of you quite a lot today. We
will have open phone lines. We'll have a couple of guests,
one of whom will be in studio. Ben Spell of
Good Ranchers to talk about all of the issues associated
with American meat, beef prices, all that and more. A

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lot of questions coming. circulating about all of that we
are awaiting a verdict on what is going to happen
in the lindsey clancy trial the jury has that case
right now uh we are tracking the continued um imminence
of the midterm elections as tomorrow we will enter into

(01:02):
september it is a late labor day this year But
in many ways, the start of the fall campaign season
for many is often pegged as Labor Day when everybody's
back home from summer vacations and all the kids are
going back into school. Football is returning. Congratulations to those

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teams that triumphed in week one. We will have a
big announcement tomorrow about Hard Rock Bet. coming on as
a sponsor on this program. Excited about that. But there
are many different things that we will be talking about
during the course of the program today. And I wanted
to start with something that I think connects many of

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the different stories that are going on right now across
not only politics, but pop culture, but sports. And it's
the degree to which So many people out there are
getting so much wrong. I was reading over the weekend,
as I like to do in my print newspapers, there's

(02:07):
a great editorial in the Wall Street Journal from a
writer named Adrian Norman. And the whole concept of the
article ties in with much of what I have been
thinking and we have been talking about on this program.
The article is entitled Americans Who Find Killing Acceptable. And

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in particular, this article says one in six voters call
the assassination of a health care executive on a public
sidewalk sidewalk acceptable. You guys know Brian Thompson on a
Manhattan sidewalk, December 4th, 2024. He was in cold blood,

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murdered by Luigi Mangione, who has since confessed that he
committed this crime. And Mangione became a hero to many people.
There were lots of people showing up outside of courtroom
dressed up as the character Luigi from the Mario and
Luigi Super Mario Brothers video game. There were so many

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different places out there where people were celebrating the fact
that this healthcare CEO had been murdered. Also, that has continued.
Just recently, there was an Emerson poll that asked if
Mangione's actions were acceptable or unacceptable. 16.7% of respondents, they said,

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that his actions were either completely acceptable or somewhat acceptable.
A similar number of people said that it was okay
to kill Charlie Kirk if you disagreed with his political persuasion.
I want you to think about that for a minute,
because I think it's telling us something very, very dark

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about the inner soul of America as we sit here,
somewhere near halfway through 2026. If somewhere in the neighborhood
of 20%, one in six, one in five, of people
are willing to justify the killing of an innocent dad
on the sidewalk who happens to be a healthcare CEO,

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if somewhere around that same number of people are willing
to justify the killing of Charlie Kirk and based on
his political opinions, another dad who was actually just engaging
almost exactly a year ago at a free speech event.
I think it also ties in with what we have
seen from so many women who have shown up to

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cheer Lindsay Clancy as she is arriving at her court
every day. They're cheering her like she is a football team,
and they're there to tailgate and cheer the arrival of
a football team at a stadium. Also, when we look

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at all of these different stories, the number of people
out there who are saying, yes, we should cheer men
and women's sports, the best woman is actually a man
pretending to be a woman. What's going on that around
one in five people are on the completely wrong side

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of moral-related issues, and their empathy is being channeled in
a direction that's totally different than where it should be.
And in particular, I've been thinking a lot about it
because I can't stop thinking about the Lindsay Clancy case.
I was talking about it over the weekend. I've worked

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in criminal law. It's one thing to provide the best
possible defense for a criminal defendant. That is the obligation
that lawyers who do criminal defense work, including me in
the past, take on. That's our job. And if the
lawyer were just showing up and doing his best job
to try to defend Lindsay Clancy of these horrible charges,

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I would feel somewhat different. But that's not really what's
going on here. What's going on here is a lot
of women who have gone to fancy colleges, who have
spent lots of money to be quote-unquote educated, are showing
up and cheering Lindsay Clancy as she arrives at court.

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And I think largely it's the same people who are
showing up outside of Luigi Mangione's court proceedings and cheering him.
and the same people who celebrated when Charlie Kirk was assassinated,
and the same people out there who are arguing that
men should be able to play in women's sports. What
you're really seeing that connects all of these different aspects

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of American society today is the empathy of so many
people on the left is being directed in absolutely the
wrong direction. But think about it. I'll use the Lindsey
Clancy case as an example to start, but I'm going
to work through each of them. There were a five-year-old,

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a three-year-old, and an eight-month-old choked to death with exercise bands.
I want you to think about that for a minute.
It's hard to think about, but you should, because it's
important to consider the violent act that is being prosecuted here.

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This is not like a movie where you choke somebody
for a few seconds and they die. You sometimes see
that on television. You actually know what's required in order
to choke those little kids to death. She had to
do it for up to five minutes each. While the

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other children were sitting there watching her, Think about those
little babies, that five-year-old and the three-year-old, how they were
fighting for their life. As Lindsay Clancy choked them to
death with exercise bands after she sent her husband out

(08:27):
to go get food and to pick up prescriptions so
that she could be alone with the kids long enough
to murder them. This is profoundly evil on a level.
That is hard to even comprehend. Think about how those
little babies. Those little kids. Would have been fighting for

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their lives. Kicking their legs. Waving their arms. Staring up
at their mom. As she murdered them. One after the other.
And the reaction. Of people. Around 20% of Americans is

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to show up and cheer for her as she shows
up at the courtroom every day? To all wear the
same color so you know that they're on Team Lindsey Clancy?
How does your empathy not go to those kids? How

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does your empathy not go to that dad? And it's
not just the Lindsey Clancy case. People watched a video
as Luigi Mangione walked up behind a dad on a
sidewalk and shot him from behind in cold blood. Plan

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that execution. And people cheered. People watched Charlie Kirk lose
his life at a free speech event. You could see
it happen in 4K. And people cheered. The data is

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reflecting that around 20% of Americans are profoundly, I believe,
gripped by evil. And we can talk a lot about
what the tax rate should be or about what the
proper immigration policy should be. or what the tariffs should

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be on Canada. We can debate all those things in
our republic. But if 20% of Americans see evil and
put their empathy in the direction of evil, I would
submit to you we have a profound sickness in this

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country that is far more significant. than any political division
over tax or tariff or immigration. I'm profoundly troubled by this.
I spend a lot of time thinking about it. How
have we gotten here? Where a mom murders her three babies,

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where two dads get shot in cold blood, one on
the street, one on a college campus. where the ability
to distinguish between good and evil is lost. Now, it's
lost right now, it seems, largely by people on the

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far left. They want many of us dead. They cheer
when we are murdered. How do we fix this? How
do we create a society where if we're going to
be giving empathy, which is a very kind and generous

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thing to be giving to people, that the empathy goes
to actual victims, not to those engaging in evil. Now,
I open up phone lines 800-282-2882, but a concern that
I have is if we've got around 20% of people
that are now Empathizing, sympathizing, supporting evil. What if that

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is spreading? And that is my concern, that it is.
What is causing that spread? How did we get here
to a place where in Massachusetts women are dressing up
in identical clothing so that they can cheer a mother out?
who choked to death with exercise bands, her five-year-old, her three-year-old,

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and her eight-month-old. How in any world that is just
does anyone on the planet consider her to be the
victim and put their empathy and their sympathy in her
direction in the same way that we saw with Luigi Mangione,
in the same way that we saw with Charlie Kirk's,

(13:35):
I believe, clear killer, Tyler Robinson. How many people's brains
are broken and filled with evil, and how do we
fix it? That's a big question, and it's something that
I spend a lot of time on. We'll open up
your phone lines. You guys can react to 800-282-2882. Not

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spent a lot of time thinking about in a very
significant way. The American heart, I believe, has darkened how
do we fix it batavia illinois little town far west
of chicago 2 40 a.m in the morning a woman

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sees a flashlight in a shadow outside her window police
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taken a sailor's key card let himself into her bedroom
watched her sleep he'd never met the woman He saw
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sounded so good. Clay and Buck owning the airwaves. Welcome
back in, Clay and Buck. We have got loaded lines
on our calls. For the team back there, I just
lost my call screen. If you can pull it back up.

(16:09):
We have got a couple of guests coming your way.
Ben Spell of Good Ranchers. Our friend Frank Siller of
Tunnels to Towers will also be with us. The jury
deliberation continuing in the Lindsay Clancy case, the longer it
goes on, the less confidence I have that they're going
to find her guilty. Nine women, three men on that jury.

(16:34):
What are the chances that some of the men on
that jury are trying to explain why Lindsay Clancy's actions
are not those of someone who is insane? I think likely. Also,
I'm going to keep hammering this because many members of

(16:55):
state legislatures and many of you out there are on
Senate staffs and House of Republican staffs. And some of
you are in the White House right now. Why can
we not have strict liability on the murder of children?
It's a very simple question that no one can give

(17:15):
me a good answer to. And if you don't know
what strict liability offenses are, I have talked about them
quite a bit on this program. But an easy example
is if you sleep with a minor, right, if you're
20 and you sleep with a 17-year-old in some states,
that's a crime and you can't defend yourself. Now, we

(17:37):
can argue about whether in that particular situation that should
be a crime, but that is the law. There is
no defense when you commit an act such as that
because we believe that children should be protected from adults.
Why in the world is it not a strict liability

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offense if you murder a child? There should be no
defense whatsoever for you. And let me just also point
out that many people out there who commit murders, probably
the vast majority, have mental health-related issues. So for all
the women, I'm sure I'm going to get angry emails

(18:19):
because even in this audience, there are some women who say,
she should never be held responsible for her ex. Do
you know how stressful it is to have children? Do
you know how sad it can make some of us?
I don't care. You know how sad it makes me
to know that a five-year-old, a three-year-old, and an eight-month-old
are dead? That's where my empathy goes. Not for the
mommy who was too sad for the kids that don't

(18:40):
get to live anymore.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
We all have to make choices in where we give
our empathy. My empathy goes to the dad who went
to go pick up food and came home and his
kids were all murdered. That's the parent who deserves empathy,
not the mom who happened to be sad. And I

(19:03):
don't know, people are afraid to even say that. Oh,
you're not considering enough. I don't care about her. I don't.
She choked her children to death with exercise bands for
minutes as they struggled for their own lives. I don't

(19:24):
care how tough her life might be. She should be
in prison for the rest of her life. And frankly,
she should be put to death, in my opinion. And
I don't even typically like the death penalty because we
don't all the time have certainty on people who are
convicted of crimes. As a lawyer, there are some cases

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that I look at and I say, man, I'm not sure.
that beyond a reasonable doubt that person did the crime.
She's admitting that she did the crime. There is no
dispute about who killed the kids. In cases such as these,
I think it should be an immediate death penalty. By
the way, what is the goal here? My own wife

(20:09):
asked me that question. I think it's a good one.
She's going to reenter society? Oh, we're going to give
her a lot of drugs and she's not going to
be insane anymore? Well, if she's not insane anymore and
she comes to sanity, she should not want to live
because she killed her three kids. A million dollars on GoFundMe,

(20:34):
by the way, for this crazy murderer. Again, The toxic
empathy here overwhelmingly going to the wrong individuals, it frankly
makes me sick. A lot of you want to react.
Patty in Connecticut, what you got for us?

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Thank you. Thank you. I would like to respond, and
I know for the sake of time I'm going to
go wide. I think we should do so that this never,
ever happens in this country ever again. I think we
should look at the healthcare system for psychiatry. I think
there were 12 to 13 different physicians who were prescribing
for them, may not have even been aware of what

(21:14):
the other physicians were prescribing. And I think that when
they dispense the drugs, especially if it comes from one's pharmacy,
they know these drugs are only put out at one
or two at a time and that they're very careful
putting them on slowly and removing them even slower. So
there's specific things that ease these drugs interactions with each other.
I think they should put a registered nurse in a

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home where the mother is not well, feeling she's having
a depression, but whatever she's having, because she will assess
her from a medical point of view. If they want
to put her with a DCF worker, put the registered
nurse in there. I think the pharmacies should assess before
they put out 12 or 13 medications to a person,
the other medications that they're on. And if there's multiple physicians,

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Usually when they go on this, I worked for someone
in an OBGYN office. They monitored these people enormously, brought
them in the office, how they were feeling, very close assessments.
They just didn't put them on them and let them
go home. This is absolutely horrifying. This should never happen again.
We cannot even imagine what these children experience. The mother

(22:21):
putting all these drugs together, we don't know how the
body metabolizes these drugs together. They were meant to be
taken 12 or 13 at a time. We need to
scrutinize the psychiatric department for follow-up, for follow-up with the psychiatrist,
follow-up in the person's home to see what's going on
so that no child is ever put in an unsafe

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home where they will have to endure medication. Such a
horrifying thing. I can't even imagine the fear and terror
in them as this happened to them. This is unbelievable, sir.
And I think what it relates to is how we
are managing these drugs. I recently saw something outstanding. I
will try and get the link and send it to

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you from a doctor who prescribes these. The meticulous care,
the meticulous follow-up. We need to be careful of what
drugs we're putting together. We need to be careful of
how these patients are responding to them, what is going
on in the home. And these children, someone, an adult somewhere,
should have never have left these children alone with the mother.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Thank you for the call. Look, there's so much in
there to unpack. I do think that one of the
big flaws that no one wants to address is how
overmedicated kids and young people in particular are in America today.
And all of the different drug cocktails that we are

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throwing into so many different of these kids' bodies. And
what it's doing to them. And have you guys read
some of the studies on what happens when you try
to stop taking these drugs? I am old school. I
get made fun of. I don't even like to take Tylenol.
I want my body to be able to handle everything.

(24:13):
I'm not saying certainly that I'm some sort of avatar
of health, but I don't want to put into my
body drugs that I have to constantly be cycling through.
And I think her call makes a tremendously important point.
So many of these drugs interplaying with each other. What
is the impact? What does it do to you? Some

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of you have seen friends and family on so many
of these different medications and just seen the life sort
of sucked out of their eyes. You know what I'm
talking about? When you see someone and they just have
dead eyes, there is, I think, this has always been
my take, I think we could wipe out 75% of

(24:56):
all prescription drugs used in America, and I actually think
as a society we'd be healthier. Somewhat controversial, I understand.
Some of you are going to disagree with that. I
think if we wiped out 75% of all drug use, we,
in general, would be healthier. I'm talking about for young people, right?
For people who are getting older, blood pressure, cholesterol, all

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these things, if you're over 70, there is a different
calculus involved. But the fact that huge percentages of 14-year-olds
in this country are on medicines that they take daily...
It's crazy to me. Deb in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, what you
got for me?

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Driving down the road, I'm hearing you talk about this
gal that, you know, that killed these kids. And so
much came to my mind because I am that person
over 70.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
But I also think about even abortion. But to think
that what prompted this woman, whether it was drugs, postpartum.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
You know, all of that. Our society, like you said, 20%
of these, our society is standing up for people who
are murdering, outright murdering. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
It's absolutely crazy.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
And my take, when you said, how can we fix this?

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Well, I am a person of faith.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
I wasn't always a person of strong faith. It happened
as I got older. But I do believe that.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
The power of prayer and that God's could.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Turn things around. But I also believe that.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
It does start in the home. And this is what's
going on with social.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Media and parents that are broken up and not together.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
There's so much out.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
There that affects our young kids and affect, you know,
all adults. And I think what you do is fantastic.
I'm all about the talk shows that are positive and
trying to help people think about what is the right thing.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
To do and what direction we really should go. And
I commend you guys for that.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Thank you for listening, Deb. And thank you for that call.
I think she's right. There's a great line out there,
and I'm paraphrasing it. You may not be religious yourself,
but the decline of religion in this country is going
to impact your life in a major way. Because whatever
religion you are following, certainly if it's Judeo-Christian, is about

(27:34):
trying to make in some way yourself better and the
world better. It's an aspirational goal to reach out to
others and uplift. And I don't think it's coincidental that
we're losing our moral centering, particularly for those 20% of
people Because they don't have a foundation of Western civilization values.

(27:59):
This is a big take. I got to go to Italy.
You guys heard me talk about it some. I'd never
been to Italy. I went a couple of years ago.
I couldn't stop thinking about, as you and my kids
were like, not another cathedral dad. But from a historic perspective,
the metaphor of all of these communities wanting to build

(28:20):
these spectacular cathedrals, And you might work in one corner
of that cathedral for your entire life just to create
something beautiful. Think about that for a minute. I couldn't
stop thinking about that concept. Hey, you're a great sculptor.
You're a great painter. You're a great architect. Whatever your

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skill might be, we're bringing it to bear to try
to build a great cathedral that is better than any
other cathedral anywhere in the world. And your particular individual
role might be you just work on this one corner
of that cathedral for your whole life and to undertake

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building projects that would not be finished in the life
of anyone that was involved in it. It teaches you
that you are a small part of something much larger
and that you're all speaking a common language. the language
of Western civilization, in particular in Italy, the language of

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the Bible, right? Every mosaic, every sculpture, everyone would have
understood what that represented. They all spoke the common language
of faith. It, to me, is not a coincidence that
speaking that common language of faith lifted Western Europe above

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anywhere else in the world and created the world that
we now all are fortunate enough to live in. Western
civilization turns out a really good thing. Even saying that
is considered controversial. Well, do you know what some of
those people in Western civilization did? They had slaves. Yes.

(30:08):
All throughout human history, all humans have had slaves or
been slaves. Every single one of you listening to me
right now, your ancestors either owned slaves or were slaves,
almost assuredly both. All of this adding up together, it
tells a different profound story that, frankly, I don't think

(30:31):
young kids today are being instructed in. And if you
do not have that foundation, I think you can be
led towards evil. The mom who murdered her three kids
is the victim. The 26-year-old good-looking guy that pulls out
a gun and kills the CEO is And oh, by
the way, don't even get me started on all the

(30:51):
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to hit you with the first hour. We have been

(32:49):
talking about Lindsay Clancy and a really good Wall Street
Journal piece that I read over the weekend about Lindsay.
The fact that roughly one in six edging towards one
in five of Americans today find killing acceptable, whether it's
the UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, whether it's Charlie Kirk, whether

(33:13):
it is Lindsay Clancy murdering in cold blood her three
young children, the five-year-old, the three-year-old, and the eight-month-old. There
are nine women on this jury. The longer this jury
deliberation goes, the more I think they're going to find
her not guilty by reason of insanity. I really do.

(33:33):
And I'm basically preparing myself for it. We'll continue to
take some of your calls on that. I did want
to talk about a story about right and wrong and
the overall impact that it can create. You know, it's
the 10-year anniversary of basically of Colin Kaepernick taking a

(33:54):
knee during an NFL game to protest what he said
was the mass killing of innocent black and brown people
by police officers. I want to play this cut from
AOC because she says, oh, ha, ha, ha. It turns
out woke 1.0 was kind of crazy. Defund the police. Oh,

(34:17):
that was an awful idea. Eliminate prisons. Ha, ha. Well,
that's just kind of woke 1.0. We can't be held
accountable for the stupidity that we put out into the world.
Here was AOC recently saying woke 1.0.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Ha, ha.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Just a little bit crazy. Listen.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Woke one was crazy.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Just laughs it off. We're now into woke two. And
I do think that that is maybe even more dangerous.
Woke one. I've got a column going up on Sporting
State about this. I wrote it over the weekend. Woke
one was America is a fundamentally racist country and cops
are killing black people and we need to make sure

(35:02):
that cops basically don't exist. We should defund all the
police and we should just have social workers responding to
911 calls. Do you all remember it? Because I do.
And now AOC just wants to laugh it off and
there are no consequences for being wrong about everything. But
I want to talk about the consequences. And I want

(35:24):
to talk about Colin Kaepernick on the 10-year anniversary of
him taking a knee and what actually happened as a result.
I went into the data. You guys know I like
to dive into data. I like to look at the numbers.
I like to determine what overall is the true story,
not the story that is told, but what the numbers

(35:46):
actually tell us. The numbers tell us that from 2016...
Through 2022, the overall number of murders skyrocketed in the
United States as Black Lives Matter said and told us
police are killing innocent black people all over the country.

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Thousands and thousands more murders occurred. I looked up the data.
Do you know if Colin Kaepernick had never taken a knee?
If BLM had never become an issue? if it had
never existed at all, and we just had basically the
same number of murders as we had in 2016, in 2017, 18, 19, 20, 21,

(36:31):
and 22, do you know there'd be somewhere around 20,000
more people alive today? 20,000 more people alive. an entire

(36:52):
basketball arena full of people that are currently dead that
would have likely, because unfortunately most people who are murdered
are young men, that would have continued to have their lives,
to get married, to have kids, to grow into older age.

(37:13):
They would not have had funerals. They would not have
had families destroyed by the death, the murder of their kids.
20,000 more kids would be alive today if woke one
had never happened. Can we play AOC laughing again?

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Woke one was crazy.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Ha ha ha.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
We supported policies that led to 20,000 more people dead
than And by the way, Colin Kaepernick, who is still
considered a hero on the left, do you know that
around 10,000 of those murdered kids, young men, were black?

(38:12):
I don't know why no one will actually look at
the data and talk about this, but do you realize
that Black Lives Matter led to more young black men
dead than if Black Lives Matter had never existed in
the first place? This to me is a perfect window
of what social media does. It doesn't, and I think

(38:32):
it's connected to what's going on with Lindsay Clancy too,
it doesn't just kind of float out there in the
cosmos and do nothing. People respond to morons online making
awful arguments, listen to them, implement their policies, and then
when we see the results and there start to be
political consequences for their results, cue it again, AOC, when

(38:57):
asked about all of it, she says... Woke one was crazy.
She's laughing because 20,000 people got murdered because she was
a moron. And there are no consequences. Colin Kaepernick, still
a hero. Gets awards every day. The Atlantic is paying

(39:17):
him tons of money. Nike built an entire campaign around
Colin Kaepernick being a hero. He helped 10,000 young black men.
kids get killed. And they all just laugh. You know,
I was thinking about this because the 10-year anniversary is

(39:38):
coming up. Some of you may, I mentioned it on
the show, some of you may have seen me talking
about it. I've got a son who plays high school football.
College football came back this weekend. My son plays high
school football. Posted a picture with him on social media.
Played in his first high school football game on Friday.

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His first game of the season... was at a school
called Pearl Cone in North Nashville. Now, I went to
public school in Nashville. I went to high school no
more than a mile away from Pearl Cone in a
building that was the old Pearl High School. Pearl High School,
some of you are going to know it, was an

(40:22):
iconic all-black high school in downtown Nashville that Oprah Winfrey
went to back in the day. It's educated all sorts
of older black Americans in a pre-segregated Nashville, in a
segregated Nashville, pre-desegregated Nashville. And then they turned it into
a magnet school. It's an academic magnet now, public school.

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I was fortunate to get to go there, got a
great education, got scholarships to college, got a law degree,
all those things. But I was a public school kid
from Nashville, K-12. If I hadn't been at Martin Luther
King High School, If I hadn't gone to that high
school in inner city Nashville, I would have gone to
a school named Hunter's Lane. Some of you are going

(41:07):
to know what Hunter's Lane High School is. It's a
North Nashville high school. And there was, at that football game,
there was a large police presence at the football game.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
And.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
That's because, unfortunately, there's far too much violence still in
cities like Nashville, even though things are starting to get better.
And a 16-year-old kid named Cameron Friesen was shot and
killed just outside that football game shortly after it ended.

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And he was a junior in high school at Hunter's Lane.
He had gone to watch the game. Nobody really knows
why he got shot. Nobody really knows whether he was
the target, whether he was misidentified, whether it was just
in some way a random act of violence. I was

(42:08):
reading about that murder because I was at that football game.
And as I was reading about the murder, I saw
there's a $ 5, 000 reward if people can catch that killer.
And I'm sorry, I saw it and I said, $ 5, 000,
you have got to be kidding me. This kid's life

(42:33):
was taken outside of a football game and $ 5, 000 is
the reward. So I tripled it, tripled the reward. My
math's not always good. Quadrupled overall to $ 20, 000. I put
up $ 15, 000 in my own money. I said, I want
this kid to get caught. I still do. If you're
listening in the Nashville area, you can go look it up.

(42:55):
There's a white vehicle that they're looking for. Nashville police
are trying to catch the guy. I presume it was
probably a guy who did the shooting. If you look
at the data, over 50% of all murders are committed
by young black men in America. Now, people get all
upset when you say that. Oh, how dare you mention race?

(43:17):
You can't solve problems. without figuring out where the problem
is coming from. Let me give you an example. If
I said to you right now, I've got a magic wand,
I'm going to eliminate all Asian murders. No Asian person
is going to commit a murder in America this year. Boom.

(43:38):
And I just waved my magic wand. The murder rate
overall would not change hardly at all because there's almost
no Asian people committing murders. So the data reflects that
when we pull down the murder rate nationwide, when we
actually catch people who commit murders, black people are going

(44:01):
to benefit the most because young black men are by
far the most often to be killed. And do you
know who is most often killing them? Other young black men.
I've never heard Colin Kaepernick talk about this at all.
I was at a football game. Young black man gets
killed outside of the football game. I've never heard Colin

(44:21):
Kaepernick say, you know what? I want to take a
knee because I want to drive down violence in America.
I want there to be far less murders. No, do
you know what he said? He said police are killing
young black men. It's not happening. And in fact... What
he did was make it more difficult for police of
all races, white, black, Asian, Hispanic, that are out there

(44:44):
working across the nation to make us all safer. He
misidentified the issue and actually made it worse, such that
20,000 more people got murdered, 10,000 of whom, by the data,
are likely to have been black. They were wrong on
it all. Defund police. They tried to end the police

(45:09):
puppy on Paw Patrol. For those of you out there
with little kids, grandkids, Paw Patrol. I've watched a lot
of Paw Patrol commercials. They tried to cancel the cop
puppy on Paw Patrol. 20,000 dead. What does AOC say?

(45:33):
Play the tape. Woke one was crazy. Think about that.
What I would suggest to you is one of the
biggest issues that we face as a country is wrong
policy doesn't result in people getting fired. AOC is not

(45:54):
only not going to get fired for that, she's going
to run for president and she might be the nominee,
despite the fact that she's been wrong on everything. As
we go to break, college football is back. I want
you to think about this idea. We have a higher
expectation of job performance for football coaches in America than

(46:17):
we do for politicians. We fire football coaches all the
time for not winning enough football games. I wish we
held politicians to at least half the standard that we
hold football coaches to. And if you can help that kids,
Killer come to justice. Cameron Frierson is his name. And

(46:40):
right now, his killer is walking free. And unfortunately, because
of Colin Kaepernick and AOC and all of those woke
one ideas, there are 20,000 people, just like Cameron Frierson,
that aren't alive today. Because we decided cops were the problem.
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(48:43):
lot of people out there are staggered. I'll put myself
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if we want to be energy independent, which we do,
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(49:05):
And to me, I think there are a lot of
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(49:28):
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(49:50):
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It doesn't seem like a crazy decision to make to say, hey,
we should be doing more to support American ranchers out there.
So several different aspects of that. If you have heard us,
we are still waiting for the verdict in the Lindsay

(50:13):
Clancy case. And I know that a lot of men.
at least initially, were not paying attention to this story.
Every woman in America is. I'm just going to be
honest with you. There is not a woman in America
that has not had a conversation, certainly not a mom
in America, that has not had a conversation about this

(50:33):
Lindsay Clancy case. And in hour one, I teed off
because this data out here that I talked about in
the Wall Street Journal from all of these individuals having
their empathy that goes towards the wrong people, whether it's

(50:54):
the UnitedHealthcare CEO, Brian Thompson, whether it was Charlie Kirk,
whether it's Lindsay Clancy, how we decide to render empathy
in this country is a big part of, I think,
the way the innate goodness of this country typically comes through.
For instance, In the wake of Hurricane Helene, mercifully, by

(51:15):
the way, very quiet hurricane season. I'm knocking on the
table here for all of you in Florida out there. Mercifully,
we've had a very light hurricane season so far. When
Hurricane Helene hit, We wanted to shine a light on
the people suffering in Western North Carolina, in East Tennessee.

(51:35):
And if you remember, I went in on a helicopter
because you couldn't otherwise get into the Asheville area. We
shared videos. We flew over. Dolly Parton passed last week.
One of the things that she did such an amazing
job of was helping people in times of need. And
the data actually reflects that the states that most support

(51:55):
Trump are the states that typically are the highest donors
when it comes to people in need. That is, people
who tend to vote conservative tend to actually open up
their wallets. I've talked about this before with our friend
Frank Siller, who's going to be on with us as
we come up on nearly the 25th anniversary of 9-11.

(52:18):
He said, if you watch Fox News, you probably see
a lot of Tunnel to Towers ads. If you listen
to this program, you know we're happy to be partners
with Tunnel to Towers and to not only be partners
but to have donated money ourselves. I said, how come
you don't advertise on MSNBC or CNN? He said, we
tried it. People there do not actually support charities like ours.

(52:42):
I said, that doesn't seem very good. All you're doing
is helping when cops get killed, when first responders get killed,
when the families of those who lost their lives on
9-11 and 9-11-related illnesses, service members, all of these people
who are serving the country, trying to make us all
safer when they actually pass, all you're doing is raising

(53:04):
money for them. He said, yeah. He said, but our
ads don't work on MSNBC. really kind of staggering. People
on the left, they think that other people should lend
a hand. They probably think this is why we should

(53:27):
have 90% tax rates. The government should do everything. Individuals
shouldn't be responsible for helping other individuals. That's what big
government is for. Most of you in this audience, that's
not what you believe. I think that's significant. Now, 800-282-2882.

(53:48):
We've had some moms that are mad at me because, frankly,
I have zero empathy whatsoever for Lindsay Clancy. Well, I'm
not going to apologize for it. I have empathy for
the five-year-old she strangled. I have empathy for the three-year-old
she strangled. I have empathy for the eight-month-old she strangled.

(54:09):
I have empathy for that dad who came back home.
I have empathy for those grandparents who lost their grandchildren.
I have empathy for all of those people. I have
zero empathy for Lindsay Clancy. She did it. And I
think what we have seen is very often there is
toxic empathy. I was just watching on MSNBC. There are

(54:33):
women in pink standing outside the courtroom, the courthouse, hoping
to celebrate Lindsey Clancy being found not guilty by reason
of insanity. Think about that for a minute. Everything going

(54:54):
on in the world today, there are lots of women
in Massachusetts today, maybe they're even driving in across state lines,
to show up and celebrate If a mom of three
who choked her kids to death is found not guilty,

(55:17):
there is a profound evil that has settled on this country.
So the New York Times says 20%, roughly, one in six,
right around one in five, of Americans support Luigi Mangione,
who killed the health care CEO. They support Tyler Robinson,
who killed Charlie Kirk. They support Lindsay Clancy, who killed

(55:41):
her three kids. These are broken, broken, evil perspectives. This
is why I get fired up by the people out there,
and we got a lot of them in this audience still.
Asked the vice president about it last time we had
him on. This is why I get upset about all

(56:01):
the people out there who say, oh, Charlie Kirk wasn't
killed by Tyler Robinson. It was Israel. It was an
exploding microphone. It was Erica Kirk. You know, we're not
having a conversation about far left wing violence as it
pertains to Charlie Kirk one year after his murder, because

(56:22):
so many people on the Internet have decided to embrace
crazy conspiracy theories that the fact that this guy was
sleeping with a dude pretending to be a chick. And
as a result, got radicalized by the trans agenda so
much that he wrote pro-trans messaging on the shell casings

(56:44):
of the bullets that he fired. And the story isn't
actually that at all. It is actually all of the conspiracies.
And as a result, when you look, hey, 20% of Americans,
you saw the video celebrating Charlie Kirk being killed. There's
going to be more people killed. Because for a lot
of people, Luigi Mangione's a hero. For a lot of people,

(57:07):
Tyler Robinson is a hero. And instead of talking about
that profound sickness for a lot of people, Lindsay Clancy's
not responsible for what she did. She's the victim here.
This is something people believe. You're all wrong. The victim

(57:28):
here Or the five-year-old, the three-year-old, and the eight-month-old that
she choked to death for minutes as those babies desperately
tried to survive as they looked up in their mom's
eyes as she choked them all out. Awful. Violent. With
her own hands. Vile even by the standards of murder.

(57:58):
You know, back in the day, they used to say,
Civil War soldiers, they didn't like to fight with bayonets.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Why?

Speaker 1 (58:10):
You ever notice those old rifles? You notice the way
they have the bayonet on the end, which is basically
just a knife on the end of those muskets? They
didn't like to fight that way. Because when you fought
that way, it was brutal and nasty death. You're stabbing

(58:34):
people to death face to face. You're seeing their eyes.
It's hand-to-hand combat. If you study modern day, even back
to as gunfire became more prevalent, hand-to-hand combat is actually
pretty rare. Because even soldiers who are trained to kill Viscerally,

(58:58):
when you kill people with your own hands, it is
nasty on a level that is far more difficult than
if you from behind a breast works. if you're just
firing a gun from distance. So when you would have
those charges back in the Civil War, the actual hand-to-hand

(59:20):
combat moments of fighting were very rare and did not
typically last very long because killing up close, face-to-face, eye-to-eye
is distasteful even to people in armies who are trained
to kill. That's how Lindsay Clancy killed her kids. She

(59:41):
didn't shoot them from some far distance. She didn't even
put them in a car back in the day. Remember,
put them into a car and drive into the water,
drive off a cliff. She held them in her arms
and choked them to death as they watched the other
siblings and as they begged for their life from her,

(01:00:06):
asking her not to kill them. And she did it.
So I'm sorry if you are out there and you're saying,
I have empathy for Lindsay Clancy. I think you are
allowing your empathy to be misguided, misdirected, and led in
a toxic direction. Most people who commit violent acts have

(01:00:31):
mental illness. If Lindsay Clancy... had slept with a 17-year-old
as a teacher in Boston, she would be strictly liable.
It wouldn't matter any defense because we believe that children
should be protected from authority figures. She would have no

(01:00:55):
defense under Massachusetts law. The fact that she's able to argue,
I'm not guilty by reason of insanity. I should be
let right back out onto the streets as soon as
some doctor says, oh, she's not mentally insane anymore. Let's
let her go right back out into the world. And

(01:01:15):
the fact that women are showing up in pink shirts
and celebrating her is, to me, evidence of a deep, dark,
sadistic sickness that has taken over the country, that connects
with the assassination of Charlie Kirk, that connects with the
assassination of Brian Thompson, and that leads us into a
very dark place. Open phone lines, 800-282-2882. I will allow

(01:01:40):
all of you to weigh in on a variety of
different topics that we have dove into today. Christine sends
an email. She says, great talk show. Appreciate it. Where's
the justice for the children? I get so upset even
when parents leave their kids in a hot car. How
do we know it was intentional? It's actually a really

(01:02:01):
good point. Parents get prosecuted all the time for leaving
kids in hot cars, often totally without intent. And many
parents get prosecuted in those cases. Awful stories. That's why
we have backseat alerts now. For those of you out
there who've dropped off kids at school, who've dropped off

(01:02:22):
youngsters at daycares, Your brain freezes. You get outside of
your normal routine and you don't drop the kids off
and you go to work and then you just think
to yourself, oh my goodness, my kids are still in
that hot car. Kids get, I mean, parents get prosecuted
for that. It's a totally inadvertent act. Lindsay Clancy intended

(01:02:50):
to do what she did. There is no defense. Whatsoever
for her, in my opinion, but I think this jury
is going to let her off. I think the longer
it goes on, the more likely it becomes that they're
going to say she's not guilty by reason of insanity.
And all those women in pink are going to be

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