David Rutherford Show: Anatomy of a Color Revolution - How They Actually Work | Libertarian Overwatch

Have you ever heard of a color revolution? I have — I used to watch them go off around my old area of operations. This week I'm joined by Patrick Pillow of Libertarian Overwatch, who's built the most documented public anatomy of these US-funded "organic uprisings" I've seen — 25 years of them, from Serbia 2000 forward, with the grant filings attached.

What you'll hear:

• David breaks down how a country gets picked for regime change — and who actually signs off

• Patrick walks through the NGO machine: USAID, NED, Open Society, Freedom House, and the midnight printing press in Kyrgyzstan

• Why pipelines, air bases, and resources keep showing up behind "democracy movements"

• David's Blackwater year in Azerbaijan next to the BTC pipeline

• Venezuela as the test case — and why Cuba looks like the next target

• The uncomfortable question: is a version of this playbook running in America?

Patrick Pillow is an independent researcher whose color-revolution series runs on the Libertarian Overwatch Substack and the Libertarian Institute. He works from primary documents — grant filings, contemporaneous reporting, and archived sources.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the show everybody. Have you ever heard
of a color revolution? Well I have multiple times. In fact,
in my old job, I used to see these going
off all over the place and around a lot of
the areas that I was working, or that my friend
was work, my friends were working. And so today I
wanted to bring on Patrick Pillow from the libertarian Overwatch,

(00:23):
who's been releasing an absolutely outstanding series of articles on
his substack page that basically describe the anatomy of color
revolutions dating all the way back to the early two
thousands and then in fact the late nineties. So Patrick,
welcome to the show today here, thank you for having me.

(00:44):
Awesome all right, So, obviously, one of the hard things
that I think we experience within most people's consciousness of
overseas foreign policy is when they see these in quotations
organic up risings take place, they really want to contrast
it against that binary reality of oh, this is a

(01:08):
form of modern day communism, or it's a revolt to
oligarchies or tyrannical leadership dictatorships, and it's the young people
uprising to push back against that hardcore oppression. And I
think that there's a reason why we believe that because
of the very meticulously drafted and created content that fuels

(01:33):
that type of propaganda.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
But you are have been doing.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Such an outstanding job to really fully define, describe, and
take us through some of these very profound historical cover
revolutions that had a much more nefarious undergirding to them.
So let's jump in and could you first define what
a color revolution.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Is and how they take place.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
With in a timeline of a shift of an election
or or a change of influence from outside forces.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Maybe, yeah, sure, I think a good place to start
would be kind of if you look at like Serbia
in two thousand the Bulldozer Revolution is like a good
starting point for the color revolutions, and when you're looking
at them, you're mostly looking at that post Soviet kind
of sphere. You know, the country is like Georgia, you're
looking at Ukraine, You're Serbia all kind of involved in
that sphere. In some cases you're also seeing in Latin

(02:30):
America as well being involved. When we're looking at Venezuela
in two thousand and two, those are the ones that
come to mind right now as being those ones that
are around there. And as you mentioned, it's a lot
of the time goes around the election season, and through
that we're seeing things, whether it's exit polling which is
done by US funded kind of initiatives and things like that.
The biggest one always points to is two thousand and
three in Georgia where they had exit polling that was

(02:53):
aired on RUSTAVI two, which is their channel there that
even just in documentation they say that the Societies Foundation
and USAID provide like significant funding for this, which is
also the channel where they aired the Bringing Down a Dictator,
which is the documentary that was Aaron Serbia about how
they overthrew.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Melissavich and things like that.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
So it's all right around like election times where you
will see some of these revolutions. Now that's not always
the case in some instances. One of the ones I'm
working on right now is twenty ten with Curious Stan.
This one happens in April, so not really around election season,
but it becomes linked to like domestic concerns, where it
becomes electricity goes up two hundred percent, you know, over
the span of a couple weeks in a month, and

(03:34):
things like that.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
But for the most.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Part they are kind of around election season and things
like that, especially in Ukraine in the Orange Revolution where
we have three separate voting periods where it just keeps
going to these runoffs and eventually it finishes up around
December time. But a lot of these revolutions, as you mentioned,
you know, there are genuine like domestic concerns with them,
but it then becomes the part where how much influence

(03:57):
comes from other countries and things like that, with Ukraine
two thousand and four being a big one from not
just the US, but Canada is also sending like five
hundred different election observers and things like that. Germany is
also involved in some of these revolutions, and you know,
it doesn't just stop there. There's a lot of different
countries that are involved at any you know, given time
in things like that, and especially during the early two thousands,

(04:20):
it's they're very explicit in their framing.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
I was just doing a little bit of kind of
like a recap where I'm trying to actually rank from
the bottom all the way to the top of like
most influence in some of these revolutions, and some of
the quotes, especially when you're looking at Georgia, is just
so blatant where there's this one quote that says, you know,
Soros carry the revolution, you know, or Georgia is very
glad to have George.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Soros, you know, and things like that.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Definitely cases where it makes my job easier, where I
can just go here is this direct, goote, I have here,
and you know, do with it what you may, you know.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
But that's kind of like the origins of them.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
I think, like I said, the two thousands is where
you really start to see a lot of them.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
As the years go on, it does start to morph
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
When you're getting around two thousands, two thousand and seven,
you're seeing some failed ones, like with the Denim or
Genes revolution in Belarus was a failed one. Also there's
somewhat one in Russia two thousand and seven. It wasn't
like a presidential election, but it was another kind of
regional election at that time, similar kind of things, and
a lot of those ones get cracked down because of
the security apparatus, and especially with Russia, you have the

(05:22):
Kremlin aligned group NASHI, which has like thirty thousand members
that are present everywhere in the streets and things like that,
and also the early two thousands and another big kind
of element of the Color revolutions is the youth groups
with being kind of like the first one, the first
big one, and that one. The lineage there just goes
on and on and on, where groups in Georgia and Ukraine,

(05:45):
in Erbajh on Albania, they all use the same like
fist logo that you see with Appor and it's also
used with the Belus group as well. And you also
see meetings with the leaders from Upour which eventually becomes canvas,
so as you can see that.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Evolution just keeps going on and on and on, which I.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Think if you're trying to learn about the Color revolutions,
just starting with Serbia is just the best way you
can do it, because it really is like the alpha,
you know, the omega of all that, you know, where
you see how much influence there is and even in
you know, Washington Post articles, Foreign affairs articles, they're talking
about also even CIA influence in the revolution and things
like that. You know, there's a quote from Bill Clinton
where he's essentially saying, you know, denying it, saying like, no,

(06:29):
there was no influence there, and he's saying, well, if
there was.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
You know, then I would have a problem, you know,
so not kind.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Of phrasing there too, you know, and that's a big
thing too, these early ones, they're a lot more blunt
and things like that. When I'm starting to get a
little bit later into the two thousands, it's a lot
harder to find some of the stuff where you have
to go to like internet archive.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
To find some stuff.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Actually just found one this morning for the Kyrghyzstan twenty
ten where I had to go to the NED National
Endominent for Democracy website from that year, and being able
to find it gave like the various specific totals of
how much was being sent for journalism after the revolution,
and like how to phrase it, how to frame it essentially,
you know. So especially that's another thing with the Color

(07:10):
revolutions is that support for independent media. In Georgia, the
newspaper twenty four Hours, they were given specific things that
were it was like an exclusive you know to that paper,
which of course now you know, where you can get
information from anywhere. It's a lot different than in two
thousand and three in Georgia where only this newspaper, which
is you know, funded by OSF, is getting this information,

(07:32):
you know, having that direct access that direct lineage, so
people are seeing that exclusive kind of information. So taking
all those elements together, the youth groups support for penmedia,
the amount of NGOs, like I said, there are tons
of them. There's National dowand for democracy there's USAID, there's
NDI and IRI, which are like the two separate ones,
like the democratic and the Republican one. The Republican one

(07:55):
was chaired by John McCain for a while, which every revolution,
and I don't think I'm joking every revolution he has
like a quote saying like how great it is that,
you know, we need to overthrow this government or that government.
I can't remember if it was in Burma or Iran,
but it wasn't one of the revolutions in like the
late two thousands where McCain says, we need to put
on every sanction we can think of. You know, that's

(08:18):
kind of like the framing that we have in some
of these revolutions as well.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
So that's kind of like a s it's kind of
summary of some of them.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
That was brilliant.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
One of the things for me is you know and
now you know, I mean, we have so many access
to unredacted or release files throughout the last eighty years,
you know, the post World War two restructuring of of
of international uh you know, lines in countries and who
controlled what and and it's funny, man, you know, you

(08:50):
saw it was a whole different kind of regime change
policy from starting what in probably in Italy right there,
in the Italian elections post World War two. Then you
went into Iran in fifty two fifty three, right, and
it just you know, all through the Banana Republic stuff
down in South America. Regime changed their Central America, you know,

(09:14):
and it was undergirded against this idea that you know,
Communism was going to you know, overcome the world, and
that was their intended you know objectives. We saw the
dramatic nature of how they treated the area that kind
of coincidentally that we're talking about that Eastern European you know,

(09:37):
connection to Central Asia and on.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
You know, it really began with Communism's comprehensive rewriting of
their systems, right. I mean, it was pretty egregious how
they handled post World War Two in these areas. Just
go and listen to some of my One of my
favorite descriptions of how brutal was was Darryl Cooper the
Martin Made podcast when he did the Anti Humans podcast

(10:05):
where he talks about the red wave after and just
the annihilation of human life. And so, you know, they
came in and they redid So I think there was
a lot more.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
It wasn't overt.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
There was a lot more covert, like full blown assassinations,
like political shifts, which were the revolutions of that area.
But I think, you know, post the Church Committee experience
and basically the slashing of those relationships, and then Reagan
gets in and he flips the switch on all these

(10:38):
NGOs being funded to do the work of what used
to be the CIA or all the intelligence organizations and
now it's under the context of these NGOs.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
And we've seen that.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
And if all you do is follow the money, which
is the greatest thing in the world, because you know,
they have to list all their grants and everything that
they've done.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
So can you.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Describe a little brief back on the emergence of these
critical NGOs? When did they start coming onto the scene
and then what were their core initiatives that they were
really focused on that kind of led into the natural
ability to affect media, affect the social consciousness of the youth, right,

(11:26):
whatever that might be.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, yeah, I would say that, you know, starting with
Serbia again just because you see them all kind of
meet together there. You know, in Serbia you're seeing about
forty one million dollars from these different organizations all going
towards you know, the civil society where you're looking at.
In that case, it's being support through tons and tons

(11:49):
of stickers, spray paint cans even I think it was
like five thousand spray paint cans that were you know,
funded by some of these organizations and things like that
to kind of promote that message, and you kind of
see it also. I think the big example for open societies,
for example, would be two thousand and three in.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Georgia with the Rose Revolution.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
And I make it very clear in my article too
that I know there's like a modern day you know,
hate Soros kind of movement things like that, and I
just try to you know, present the facts as they are,
you know, and not not taking too many biases or
anything like that. And in this case it's very clear
where you're seeing some of that influence as well, and
also just general perceptions. You know, right after the Rose

(12:31):
Revolution occurs, you even see them have a mock funeral
of Soros, like a puppet kind of paper mache kind
of Soros and a funeral kind of casket. In things
like that, they're kind of carrying on down the road,
but specifically when it comes in that case, we're seeing
the support for independent media through the Rustavi two, which
I discussed earlier, as well as the twenty four Hour Paper.

(12:53):
You're also seeing it through once the revolution actually occurs,
you have multiple people from the Open Side Foundation who
actually get into Georgian parliament positions, but I believe it's
either three or four different individuals who get very prominent
roles in the Georgian government. So in this case, especially
with some of the quotes that I mentioned earlier, it's

(13:15):
very clear how influential the Open Society' Foundation was. In fact,
the excellent, excellent MARKT. McKennon book called The New Cold War,
it really focuses a lot on Georgia and Ukraine. I
kind of wish that he had more articles because he
does such a great job being on the ground and
being able to capture just kind of the human element
of everything that's going on, and having these very exclusive
quotes and interviews with very high in place people like

(13:39):
Yulia Timoshenko and Ukraine and things like that, And essentially
in his book he details how the Liberty Institute, which
is kind of just around for the Georgia one that
they receive funding and they're also they're in the same
building that the youth group Kamara is, which received a
three hundred and fifty thousand dollar grant from Open Society's Foundation.

(14:03):
So just seeing kind of like the interconnectedness that you're
seeing there between these organizations and also just the funding
on the ground. A big one would be Freedom House
as well. And Freedom House in two thousand and five
is with Kyrgyzstan is like a huge example kind of
what I'm talking about where it's kind of explained in
the Mark back Cannon book, and also the Wall Street

(14:25):
Journal did a really great article about it. I forget
the exact title of it right now, but if you
just start sees and five Kyrgyzstan, you'll be able to.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Find it pretty easily.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
As well as a documentary called USA Conquest of the
East where there is the Freedom House. His name is
Mike Stone and he is working there on their printing press,
and in the documentary it really captures it because when
you're reading the Wall Street Journal article, you get an idea,
but you're not able to actually like physically see it,
you know. So this documentary shows them kind of going
in the middle of the night to avoid Kurrig's authorities

(14:55):
to print off the opposition newspaper and it's called MSN.
I'm not even going to try to pronounce, you know what,
that's what it is, but MSN they are printing off
on the right, on the front page. They're showing the
mansion that Akiev has and kind of contrasting that with
how poor the country is at the time, because it's,
you know, very very poor country Kyrgystan is in two

(15:16):
thousand and five, and he the specific quote from the
documentary is, and it's funny because this comes before Iran's
Green Revolution in two thousand and nine, but he.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Says, I want to see a green revolution with money.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Direct quote from this documentary, showing this influence that is
being sent there. And eventually the Kuig's authorities shut off
the printing to the Freedom House so they're not able
to print it, which also goes to show they later
have a meeting with Kig's authorities and John McCain kind
of calls in on the phone and saying, hey, like,
we're not going to tolerate this, you know, turn the
power back on, and there's official who's there. He was

(15:53):
saying like, oh, I'm sorry, we need to We're gonna
work to support democracy and things like that. And so
that was all I had for the research for that article.
I go back, I'm still learning more about these revolutions
because man, there's so much information from so many places.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Come to learn.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
There's also complaints about the quality of the paper that
they're they're developing these papers on at Freedom House, and
they're saying, like the what we were initially using was
actually a high quality paper and the one that Freemhouse
providing isn't even good. So that was a very clear,
like the best example I could give for independent media
support from some of these organizations and things like that.

(16:29):
We're open societies, I think had a really good how
it impacted youth groups in the Rose Revolution. Those are
some of the biggest ones that come to mind. Like
I said, the IRI, I you also see just John
McCain always, you know.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Having a voice to it.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
He also in the Ukrainian Weekly has right before the
third round of elections in two thousand and four in
the Orange Revolution, basically saying like this is not good
for democracy, like this is your last chance, just very
direct quotes.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
You know, this isn't me fabricating it, you know.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
And I always just like to think of these revolutions too,
if it was on the other shoe, you know, if
someone from Ukraine was saying, hey, if whoever is you know,
for the twenty twenty eight election, if this person doesn't win,
it's not good for democracy, you know. And I just
think that kind of having those perspectives is important to
when it comes to these revolutions.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
One hundred percent. Yeah, it's I you know, the.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
We're so conditioned to just take the topical influence, right,
but if you if you spent any bit of time
doing the research like you have, or you've spent any
bit of time in the world that I used to
be involved in, like you, you begin to realize, all, right,
what's is it? Is it easier to you know, invade

(17:47):
a country and get the change we want? Well, we
have categorically proven that we suck at that worse than
any other form of military doctrine that exists, and you know,
you know, the great Scott Horton has written pretty amazing
book on that as well too, And all of us

(18:08):
that have you know, fought in the g Watt we
all recognize now like we were played and the American
people were played to the tune of eight trillion dollars.
When you take a step back and you compile, because
obviously the real question is why do we continue? What's
the purpose? Why do we want to fund color revolutions?

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Right?

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Obviously there it's to to get a change in leadership,
But what's the underlying you know mission? Is it to
get a change in leadership that's more easily manipulated to
fulfill greater access to you know, go after their resources.

(18:52):
Is it influence in the European Union in votes? Is
it really this greater, greater mission to eventually break bring
Russia down?

Speaker 2 (19:05):
You know? But you see the same thing.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
You could argue that similar things have happened in Egypt,
in Lebanon, in Syria, right and all these other places
that there's obviously been these outside influences for uprisings, to
facilitate uprisings for a regime change. What have you been
able to decipher? What you know, what the real initiative

(19:33):
is underneath all this, not just what they're trying to
fight against, you know, tyranny and you know, to bring
back democracy.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I would say it kind of
depends too on what region, what country is being involved
at any given time. I think one of the big
ones for Georgia, for example, is that BTC pipeline that's
right there. That's a big kind of geopolitical concern when
it comes to Georgia, and you see it even just
before the revolution, after the revolution, and in a lot

(20:02):
of cases you're also seeing these relationships kind of established
with some people in the US government and things like
that before and after the revolutions. It's funny because in
Georgia as well as in Ukraine, Sous was actually friendly
with Schevar Nadza before Sakoshphilia came into power, insane also
with Kushma in Ukraine before becoming you know, pro Yushenka

(20:25):
and things like that. And in that case with Ukraine specifically,
it's we have the Kuchma gate tapes, which is like
this big controversy over like a murdered journalist placing a
lot of blame towards Kushma and kind of soulting that
relationship is when we eventually see that switch over to
Yushenka and things like that. Going back to I keep

(20:45):
going back to John McCain, but I think I think
it was in Georgia when we were talking about chev
Knadza initially John McCain saying he's one of the best
men in the history of the world, before we see
that switch over to Sakoshphili, and I think in the
case of Asaka Shavili, I would say that kind of
what you mentioned, like maybe even being just a little
bit more appliable, a little bit more willing to like

(21:06):
go with the flow and things like that. In that
documentary I've mentioned, you see, for example, former NATO Bruce
Jackson meeting with some of these individuals and things like that,
like he just going up, going up and giving like
a big old handshake to Sakashpheely in one of the
meetings that they have. So that's kind of a portion
of what is going on. I would say in the
case of Kyrgystan, for example, though I think that the

(21:29):
geopolitic geopolitics there is related to an air base, which
it does sound pretty crazy to you know base, it
all to an airbase.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
But that's a lot of what's going on.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
And you know, at first, I was just going, it
can't be the only thing, right, But even just last night,
I'm going to like watch some videos from you know, CBS,
you know, just very well known establishment kind of you
know videos, and they're saying, well, the reason why this
uprising is happening right now is because of the Menass
airbase that's right there.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
You know, look a look at what happened to remaining
in elections this year right with what the biggest NATO
base in the in in history is being built there.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Right. It's it's I mean, it's it's.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
It's what it's natural resources, it's uh military strategic positioning,
and it's what potential foreign investment.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Right to be able to get in there and and.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Figure out how to you know, develop different whatever. So yeah,
I I I'm it's it's it's always a little bit different.
But I think this the playbook now is so so
uh has been so fundamentally exposed that you can see
them happening before they even begin to percolate, right, like

(22:45):
you literally, oh here comes here comes another one. And
I think you know, I think post uh the Arab Spring,
it really became obvious, right and as you know, you're
able to go back and assess social media media posting
now and you see the coordinated impacts of social media.
You know, by the time we hit the Madon Revolution,

(23:07):
and you know, obviously you know there was some stuff
going around in Lebanon and Syria posts you know fifteen
sixteen seventeen as well too. But I you know, do
you do you think that that countries are more prepared
or aware that this potential is in play, and if so,

(23:33):
what are they doing to push back against these One
of the ones you you wrote a piece recently is
about the Flamingo revolution in Albania, and there seems to
be an organic This is more of an organic revolution
because I think, you know, the whole idea and you
talk about it wasn't just the Avanka trunk, Jared Kushner

(23:56):
buying the you know, the the bunkerd Island and all that.
It was a much deeper thing that led to the
next evolution. So maybe you can talk about countries being
more aware and then what they're doing to push back.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah, I would say once you get past you know,
Orange revolution to a revolution in two thousand and four
and two thousand and five. Countries are definitely starting to
be a lot more aware where you're seeing some like
diplomats being expelled, you know, from the country and things
like that. I think Belarus is like a really clear
example of that, where Lukashenko is saying, you know, I
see the writing on the wall and you have all
these quotes. Gosh, I wish I remember the exact quote

(24:33):
he had, but he like specifically mocked it, saying like
I don't want a chestnut revolution here. That might not
be the correct one, but you see that a lot
where they're they're explicitly referring to it and you know,
making jokes about it, and not just officials, you're also
looking at like the live journals and blogs at the
time where they're also referencing that of saying, you know,

(24:53):
making sarcasm at it. So kind of expelling diplomats is
one of the ways that they've gone about this. In
terms of Albania for example, that that's kind of the
one that I've been focusing on too, just trying to
picture together all that's going on there.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
And you know, when I was talking to Scott, I'll saying, I.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Don't fully know that they're what exactly the goal is
per se, and I don't know if I'm also ready
to ye call it a color revolution, but you're seeing
very similar tactics that made me go, I want to
like perk my ears up, I want to figure out,
you know, and look what's going on, especially being able
to capture at the moment what's going on, because you know,
seeing things through Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, all those kind of things,

(25:35):
there's so much stuff on there that I'm saying, I
need to capture this now before it gets lost into
the ether of the internet. You know, It's it's not easy,
but it's easier to find the blogs from two thousand
and six, two thousand and seven in Belarus and things
like that, where they're you know, writing diaries of what's
going on in Belarus or in Russia, things of that nature.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
But in terms of.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
What i'll things that we're seeing, like some of the
kind of reactions that countries have, I think also the
kind of the newspapers, the journalism that they have. One
of the big ones is in Burma where there is
this three part kind of series in one of their
newspapers that is, like the state aligned newspaper where it's
called British and US influence in the country essentially. I mean,

(26:22):
it's just very blunt, you know, very upright, and it
does make connections that I don't think are necessarily accurate.
I went digging and I said, hey, can we figure
out is any of this kind of information accurate where
it's very specific this person's meeting with this person and
so on and so forth, where I wasn't able to
find that information, but it just shows that perception if
you don't have you know, your Serbia, your Ukraine, your Georgia,

(26:45):
does that perception even persist at that time? And that's
that's the things that I think are really important to ask.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
And that also kind of continues.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
With Iran in the Green Revolution, where actually, after doing
my research, came to the conclusion I don't know that
of course there were US interests and influence there, but
it's not nearly at the case of some of the
other ones, which before I did my research, I thought
it would be, you know, right below some of those
other earlier ones. But because of already the kind of

(27:14):
routinely d established at this point, you're looking at there
is also this animated cartoon and it shows and there's
an Iranian or animated cartoon and saying, here is George Soros,
and here's a guy named Bill Smith, who I have
no idea who that is. I don't know if they
just made up a CIA character or something like that,
but they're saying, and this is what they're doing to
overthrow Iran. Or Press TV is saying the woman who

(27:36):
was murdered in the streets was a CIA asset. Once again,
things I don't think are accurate. But without having those
earlier influences that are just so documented and not just
in you know, your obscure libertarian magazine in Washington Post,
in Wall Street Journal and the New York Times.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
In Ukrainian.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
You know, the Ukrainian Weekly has been an excellent, excellent
piece that's had so many, I mean, even revolutions where
I'm not covering there, I still go to the Ukrainian
Weekly to see what they had to say about it,
because they really capture like a good international kind of
picture for some of the revolutions, but to kind of
something that up I would say, expelling of diplomats and
even just the open societies in some countries is no

(28:17):
longer allowed to operate. Yeah, and then with USAID recently
of course in twenty twenty five, with what Trump has
done with that, that's also impacting how some of these
revolutions have gone as well.

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Speaker 1 (30:21):
It's funny you talked about the PTC pipeline and and
what that was all about. I was in I worked
for Blackwater in Azerbaijan for most of two thousand and five,
and you know, as a little side thing we went
we were working with the former ambassador to try and
see if if we could get the security contract to

(30:41):
manage the overt land you know, uh pipeline that went
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we could somehow get it, and they they laughed at that,
and he's like, you don't understand what's going on here,
do you?

Speaker 2 (30:57):
And we're like, no, what do you explaining it to us?
And we're like, oh shit.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
So, you know, I obviously, you know, I think countries
in particular ours is always looking for opportunities to influence
our initiatives, right, whatever those might be, whether it's the
rise of capitulative capitalism, the securing of a pro Western

(31:25):
influence which means they'll accept our money more readily than
they'll accept China or Russia or Iran's money, right, you know,
it's the game. It's the great game that that's going on.
Regardless of of you know, whether or not we're paying
attention or not, it's going to continue happen. One of
the things that I see, you know, is now after

(31:49):
the Venezuela raid, there's a push now to kind of
refocused on the power problems that have taken place over
the last twenty years, with our eyes on counter terrorism,
the Middle East and you know, Africa and different areas.
You know, you talk to any case officers or base

(32:10):
chiefs or station chiefs for you know, and they'll they'll
let you know that, you know, we kind of took
our eye off that power structure down in South America.
But now if you look at the last since the
Venezuela raid, there's been a considerable amount of shift from
socialist leaning leaders in power in these countries. I remember

(32:31):
at one time, my one buddy was who's working for?
You know, the Agency was like Paraguay was the only
kind of pro Western country in all of South America.
And now you've seen a ration of right leaning nationalistic
candidates kind of win their elections and are moving back
in a position. Do you believe that color revolutions are

(32:57):
are taking place in Central and South America? And if so,
what is some of the things that are telling you, hey,
this is something to pay attention to or look at.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely think Venezuela, I would say, is
the first one that we're seeing in two thousand and
two with Hugo Chavez and you know, supporting that coup
and through some great you know, Foya documents and things
like that, you're able to see exactly you know, the
thoughts that you know, some in the Agency are saying
about that currently, I would say that with you know,
with Venezuela, and I saw a really good point, which

(33:31):
I think is pretty accurate, is that you saw that
Venezuela happened, you know, right before we're going into Iran
and things like that, and you're seeing that without that
in terms of oil, you know, how much importance is
it to get the oil from Venezuela before we could
do an operation with Iran and things like that. So
continuing with those resources, then I think the big one

(33:51):
that we're looking at now is probably Cuba. That's been
very kind of set out there by Marco Rubio and
others in the department. Recently, there was a giant dossier
which was released talking about what's going on in Cuba.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
Some of the quotes in there are just kind of astounding.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
One of them was saying that you know, these these revolutions,
it essentially tried to tie Cuba and left wing ideology
to the George Floyd protest, that you wouldn't have George
Floyd protest if it wasn't for Cuba, or you wouldn't
have just taking all these events from like the sixties
and seventies and somehow it all goes back to Cuba,

(34:27):
you know, to present this grand picture. And you know,
even in the article I did for Libertarian Institute kind
of talking about some of this. It's not to say
that there's not espionage, it's not to say there's not
intelligence with Cuba. But right now we're looking at, you know,
things where if you're able to take into context, you know,
just that that battle between the US and Cuba, looking

(34:49):
at you know, no further than Operation Northwoods. I think,
you know, that's the biggest one I can think of
where I was mildly interested in history, and then when
I learned about Operation Northwoods, I was like, wow, I
need to learn like so much because that is one
of the craziest things that if people don't know about
that about essentially setting a false flag operation killing Americans
to say, oh, Cuba did that to instigate that conflict,

(35:11):
you know, in the sixties.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
So I think Cuba.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Is the big one that we're looking at right now,
just through like being able to phrase it in that
way of saying, like I said, that dossier is just
massive and just even the statements from those in the
current department, and it's already been kind of experimented with
it before. I'm still doing research on some of these things,
but one of the ones I was looking at is

(35:34):
how they had a social media app that was funded
by USAID.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
I believe it was called.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Zonzio z on Zaeo's called like the Hummingbird, and some
of the documents they were talking about was saying things
that you know, initially it was politics or excuse me,
initially it was like sports.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
It was things of that nature.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Music started shifting towards, you know, the political angle, and
even saying it's going to be the Cuban Spring because
this happens right after the Arab Spring. Another one that
I'm hoping to do more research on for another article
for the Libertarian Institute is how USAID is also funding
Cuban hip hop, which I'm very excited for that oneca
I'm a big hip hop fan, so I'm excited to

(36:12):
explore some of that and listen to that as well.
But uh, you know, those are some of the things
I do think. Cuba is like the next one that
at any given time, I mean, who knows, you know.
With Venezuela, we just woke up one day and it happened,
you know, and I think that operation really did set
the standard where you know, Trump is saying, now, oh,
I can just do this kind of wherever, because you know,
for all accounts and purposes. I mean, there were people
who died and there was damage none, But you look

(36:35):
at that operation and it's hard not to say it
wasn't a success from like a national security kind of perspective,
especially as they're using some technology that has like those
somatic where people are like vomiting there and just all
this crazy technology that we as you know, regular civilians
have no idea what exactly was being implemented there.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
The discombobulator, right, Yeah, yes, I've had a few friends
that knew some people that were on that and said
it was a It's warfare has changed dramatically in the
modern era, and I think we know that unequivocally based
on Ukraine in the war and Goz and some of
the other places where we've seen the you know, the

(37:16):
differences of modern technology against those who don't possess it
is just overwhelming. Now we've kind of you know, stretched
our abilities beyond the traditional you know fighting that we
basically saw in twenty two.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Years in the GWAT. For sure, I'm fascinated by Cuba. Two.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
I think, you know, if you really want to get in,
go back to who had relationships in America in Cuba
back in the nineteen thirties and forties. You know, who
funded those relationship, what corporations, who ran the casinos, the
whole thing, And I think all of that has just been,
you know, hanging in the balance. You know, I live

(37:57):
in South Florida, Southeast Florida, grew up with a lot
of friends that you know, our parents, you know, fled
Cuba and the Cuban Revolution, and have a lot of
realtor developer friends down here. And you know, there's basically
been a redevelopment plan for who's going to be able
to have access to Cuba and build hotels and casinos

(38:19):
for the last twenty two years. And and I think
you know, now that Rubio has ascended into the second
most powerful position in all of government, I think there's
no doubt we're going to see some of that. And
it was you know, I go back to that, you
know that that Cuban site and with hip hop and

(38:40):
Mike Ben's did some great, great work on exposing all that.
You know, but I think you're right, and it's it's
the complexities of how these these these foreign policy things
evolve over time. And I think revolutions color revolutions are

(39:00):
a tool that seems to integrate most flawlessly with that
plausible deniability, right if you run what was it? Right
before I got on, I looked and we asked the
age old question. You know, how much money as the
Open Society Foundation received from the US government since X

(39:22):
amount of time? And you know there's a conclusive US
grant that says eleven million from two thousand and seven
to fourteen.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
But you know the other one, you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
People are what they misappropriate the two hundred and seventy
million to them, But what they don't say is, oh,
it went to the East West Management Institute that was
partnered with the Open Society Foundation. So so you know,
the reality is, you know, these these practices are a

(39:54):
part of foreign policy. I think you know what scares
me is when when you start to see the Color Revolution,
the propaganda influence that is also utilizing the kinetic influence
of the as Off Battalion or hardcore right wing or

(40:18):
left wing groups that you know are sparking the uprising
in the youth, right, you know, you know there's those
theories about Madon Revolution and the snipers being in those
buildings were you know, controlled opposition of the existing government
party and they were just sniping kids to drive the

(40:39):
revolution to another thing. And I think that's that's the
scariest aspect a color revolution begins and then how quickly
you see the kinetic nature weave into it and who
is funding that, where that's coming from. I think that's
the biggest opening to try and discover, you know, what's
at play, who's at play, and what they're willing to sacrifice,

(41:03):
because unfortunately, in my opinion, it's these kids who are
being fed whatever they're being fed in their algorithms or
whatever that say yeah, I'm going to go protest.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
I'm going to go in there.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
I want these rights, I want these freedoms, and little
do they know they're being manipulated. So I think that's
always the place I look is for the kinetic intersections
with the propaganda feed. All right, let's just real quick,
and I know this is all although you can delineate
factually there are some significant strategic influences taking place in

(41:38):
the youth of America, but you know, a lot of
people are saying we're in the midst of a multiple
types of color revolutions in America. Mundani as a leader Antifa,
we saw it up in Minnesota with the anti ice
raids and you know, people sacrificing themselves to become martyrs
in those and you know Trump basically coming out and saying,

(42:02):
all right, Antifa is.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
A terrorist, the cartels are terrorists.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Her all these labelings of these different types of influence
in order to be able to what generate kinetic action
against them. What's your opinion of where we're at right
now and what are some of the spots that you're
paying attention to the different groups or people or government

(42:26):
specific senators or congress people or governors that you're watching
right now.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Yeah, I would say that, And earlier in the year
I was kind of exploring some of that, especially when
when you mentioned kind of like everything that was happening
with Minnesota that was a big one where you have
kind of that dichotomy too, between you know, left and
right and being able to as a libertarian going in
between the middle and figuring out like what both sides,
you know, how it's being presented. The one thing too

(42:56):
that I think is important to consider and talk about
is and Scott Horton actually talked about is on provoked
and as soon as he said it like made my
spidy senses kind of tingle where he said he was
talking about the twenty twenty election and asking if that
was an example of a color revolution around that time,
especially when it comes in terms of COVID for example,

(43:17):
and kind of how you were seeing between you know,
red states and blue states and how they were responding
to to COVID and things of that nature, which is
something that I also as soon as I heard that,
I just went, I have to dive in and figure
out there there's something more, you know, behind that in
terms of you know, the funding mechanisms and things like that.
I'm not seeing too much in the way of that,

(43:38):
but I'm not saying it doesn't exist at all. I know,
like Roy Singham for example, is one that people have mentioned,
you know, quite a bit of having influence in some
of these protests and whatnot, something that I do definitely
want to keep exploring. And I think the one thing
that makes it a little bit tougher is because just
of the nature of how these revolutions have evolved, is
that the youth group, as like an old organization, has

(44:01):
kind of disappeared a little bit. Instead of you know,
seeing like a poor seeing poor Camara, all these different ones.
Instead now you're seeing the civil society kind of sector
representing some of those things, and you don't see the
youth group. You're seeing and said this civil society organization
called QQ once again, I'm not gonna be able pronounce
what that for, but you're seeing it kind of evolve,

(44:24):
and it makes it so it is a little bit
more difficult to figure out exactly, you know, what is
going on at any given time, but it's definitely something.
I think Minnesota was the big one where it kind
of opened up a lot of people to that possibility
of there being some kind of a color revolution and
things like that, and you know, whether it be some
of those you know, Donnie Winning in New York and

(44:46):
things of that nature. All was actually just reading like
a Matt Taiebi article talking about it, and I think
his take was pretty good too, where he was talking
about how, you know, even though within winning it's not
it's not in the same nature, it's kind of carrying
the spirit of like a Bernie Sanders, but.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
To like a different extreme, I guess you could say.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
And just some of the policies that are you know,
of course the grocery store one is the biggest one
that people have been talking about recently, the thirty percent discount,
you know, which will We'll.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
See how I goes, you know.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
But and my favorite part of that whole thing is
that you got to show an ID, right and they
got He got called out on in an interview yesterday
and he's like, well, it's not a real ID. You
think of it as like a library card. And you're like,
it's like it's always the same thing. But yeah, I
agree with you. I think for me, you know, obviously

(45:37):
you know, twenty twenty was a.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Wake up call for me. And and multiple reasons.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I you know, one, I think, you know, election malfeasans
is so blatantly obvious at so many different levels.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
You know. I have done a lot of shows on that.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
There's a guy out there, Professor David Clement, who's doing
yeoman's work on it. I had Garland Favorrito who's led
the charge in Georgia, you know, I had Royce White
on in Minnesota from in his taken Minnesota, you know,
and so I believe. And then if you really, God forbid,
you spend five seconds in read Ralph Pazzulo's books Stolen Elections,

(46:18):
where you know, he has Gary Bernstein and Martin rudill
On who basically say, you know, electronic voting machines have
basically usurped seventy two foreign elections in somewhere between eight
or seven and ten thousand US elections since two thousand
and seven or eight whenever it was, which was led
by the Chavez you know, development of smartmatic and you

(46:42):
know his the core sampling of those that source code.
But also I think color revolutions for me in America
are a lot more difficult because you know, you still
have that very fundamental focus of the middle right now,
and I think post Trump's basically turning his back on

(47:05):
a significant portion of that coalition, post you know, election,
with the Epstein files, no new wars, that whole thing,
I think that middle has actually grown. I think that
middle has actually gotten stronger. Right whereas before it potentially
was you know, forty forty on each side, and it

(47:27):
was the you know, the whatever, the twenty in the middle.
And I now I think it's twenty on the edges
in the forty in the middle. And I think because
we have so much access to information. So for that
level of those numbers, you know, a couple of revolution
is much more difficult because you know, people are where
in particular the gen Z for these kids like, they're

(47:50):
not going to fall.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
I don't know me.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
I think they do fall for some of the stuff
they see on TikTok or whatever. But but they're all
they're always in a state of questioning now more so
than I certainly my generation. I mean, you know, if
you'd told me, you know which they essentially did, go
kill all the terrorists, you know in quotations, you know,
all right, great, there's you know, an infinite number of terrorists.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I can go to work forever.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Right, it's just the fabricated idea that they utilized nine
to eleven with. But so I think color revolutions in
the States will be more difficult.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
But what I can what you do see is the
corruption in our election systems.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
You see outside money being able to basically purchase you know,
thirty million dollar primaries, which is just absolutely insane. I mean,
I considered running for Congress down in my area and
talk to a bunch of political people, and they told
me that, you know, because the seat I have is
a contested purple seat, that you know, it cost me

(48:55):
three to five million for the primary and then it
could go as high as thirty twenty five million for
to go against the Democrat.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
I'm like, what are you like? Wait? What why? Like? Why?
What's the And you.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Know, nobody was able to to explain that to me,
you know, back in twenty two. But now I think
we have a pretty clear understanding of where those influences
are and what what the rationale behind that control over
Congress or influence in Congress.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
So, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Still hope or believe that America has a enough of
a defensive posture not to fall for color revolutions.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
You know, But I I you.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Know, I again, I who knows with you know, the
advent of how substantial AI can be and how it
can you know, flood people's algorithms, flood people's comments, flood
people whatever.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
You know.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
I think it's it's we're we're we're definitely going into
unchartered territory. And I think that will be the next
evolution of color revolutions. Will be this co mingling of
AI targeted influence campaigns, and then certainly the election thing
is still still up in the air.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I think that I went on for yeah please show.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
No you get that, Yeah no.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
I think that Another one to consider too is Russigate
was like a big one that could be looked at
as a oh you know, and I mean the amount.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Of story who did sorry, who did Elizabeth Sorry?

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Elizabeth Lane just was on Tucker and she outlines the whole,
the whole sequence of these foreign actors, former operatives working
for these nonprofits to plant against Russian influence. Right, so
everything was a derivative of Russian influence, Russian influence, russ

(50:44):
but is and hundreds of millions of dollars were We're
so sorry to interrupt you.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
I just like that.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah yeah, I'm a firm believer that that was the
beginning of it all.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Yeah yeah, and kind of going I'll go off that
one and I'll come back to the Rustigate one is
that I was was also doing an investigation on because
when I do these color revolutions, some of the stories
within the stories I think are really interesting because I
really think these color revolutions have something for everyone you have,
like the youth group you have. I mean, it's almost
like true murder crime mysteries that you have in some

(51:15):
of these, you know. And one of them was in
two thousand and four with the Yushenka poisoning, which was
a really really interesting one where some were claiming that
he just was not poisoned at all. And the case
in point in this was justin Ermanda from anti war
dot com, who's just an amazing, amazing writer. But and
I understand his skepticism because a lot of the stories

(51:37):
that were told around that time, you know, yellow cake, uranium,
you know, weapons of biological, weapons of mass destruction, those
kind of things was around this time, because it's two
thousand and four, you know, right around with Iraq war
was happening. But the story of this was that, yeah,
Yushenko did not get poisoned. Now this story, man, I've
done some deep diyes and I've actually talked to some some

(51:58):
primary sources. And in this case, there's this doctor called
lothar Wick who he was the one who initially was
like a little skeptical. There were like three main doctors
I would say, that were involved in it. There was Corpond,
who I would say was very solidly in Yushenko's camp,
and then you have doctor Zimfer, who I think is
like right in the middle, and then you have doctor

(52:18):
Wick who's saying like, let's just wait and see like
the poisoning. The reason for this is that the poisoning
that he had was TCDD, which like a very extreme
kind of poisoning, and after he got sick. It happened
after this September fifth dinner with the SBU. He started
to feel really sick. His wife said, oh, I taste
something kind of metallic when I kissed you. He was

(52:40):
not feeling very good, but he didn't go to the
hospital right after. He waited more than ninety six hours.
Eventually goes on the advice of Corpond, who eventually sets
up that meeting to go there. And like I said,
all along, Wick is just saying like, I didn't see anything,
which you can look at it two ways. You can
say like he's either lying, or you could say it's
very possible that he did not see because the docs

(53:01):
and testing was not done until December. Because you need
very specific tests that are done with it. There's a
doctor Adam Brower, believe his name is who eventually did the.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Testing for it.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
But people essentially kind of seized onto this because at
the end of September, Reuters puts out this report and
says that this poisoning was false, that it didn't happen,
and this was done through tri Media, which was then
done through euro RSCG. Euro RSCG is now Havas Media, which,
going back to the Lane story, is the firm that

(53:33):
is funding Parscale's influence operation. So it's like this whole
crazy thing that goes all the way back to Orange
Revolution in the Ukraine. And then they eventually used the
doctor lothar Wick who has like a press conference and says, yeah,
he was not poisoned, which was promoted by euro RSCG.
That story is really really crazy just following all the
different thread lines there and seeing how, like I said,

(53:56):
that organization is still very much so involved in some
contemporary you know, media reporting.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Well it's interesting like how how one of the organizations
will be tied and then they'll kind of fade away
and then they'll pop up into a different with a
different name. All the same folks are involved, Like you
talked in your interview with Scott. You talked about Rock
Creek Creative, can you talk about them a little bit too,
and kind of the role that they played.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Yeah, So this one, this is another one that I
didn't even get on till till after the fact. And
I do want to shout out this substack again because
the substack' is really great. It's called Wives Are Unbecoming
and they don't only just cover the stuff, they cover
a whole variety, like of health related materials. But that group,
or that organization rather is from Bethues of the Maryland.
I think they're founded in nineteen eighty seven, I believe,

(54:46):
and they worked with among their partnerships was the CIA,
was NATO, and they have this website called Ukraine Ineurope
dot com.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
And they take all the credit for it.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
They say, like, we did the de facto branding, we
came up with the color scheme, we did all this stuff,
and there's these quotes about, you know, we've never been
more involved in democracy until today, you know. And on
top of that, they say that the servers were actually
hosted in the Czech Republic, so that way, essentially you
aren't able to trace where it's coming from. On top

(55:20):
of that once the report comes out, because there are Arsenal,
Wall Street Journal articles about it, and also in Russian media,
because of course Russian media.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
I mean, if you were Russia, you probably do the same.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Thing, watch on of that and say whoa, what's going
on here?

Speaker 3 (55:31):
And as soon as that happened, they kind of backtracked,
were saying, oh, oh, we weren't really you know, involved
in that operation or anything like that. And even still
twenty seventeen you see USAID providing their grant for over
one hundred thousand dollars and they're now labeled chief. So
as you mentioned there, once again it was Rock Creek Creative.
Now they basically don't exist. The only way you can
find them is through Internet archive. Now it's a whole

(55:53):
new kind of conglomerate.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
See.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Yeah, over the years, even if it does have those
gaps of silence, there are things behind the scenes that
may be happening, you know.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
And one of the things that you know, you guys,
everybody who's listening right now, as as Patrick describes all
these things, you know, you go, well, well, how does
how does it? How does it start right?

Speaker 2 (56:16):
How does it? How does a how does a country
get picked?

Speaker 1 (56:19):
And then how does this this plan get it put
into play?

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Well, it's it's simple.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
You have an intelligence organization that is evaluating strategic I
don't know, availability, I guess would be the best way
to describe it to uh, you know certain people that
come into power, uh, you know, and those intelligence agencies say, hey,
we've been working on this for X amount of years,

(56:45):
this is the intended uh uh thing we're going to do.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
And and you know, are you.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
On and you know most of presidents and obviously uh,
senior senators and and and and how's the represent matter
on different oversight committees? Just hack off on it, and
these plans get input in the motion.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
They get put in motion by.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Using former or current or contractual former intelligence operatives that
know how to do this stuff. You're trained to do it,
you learn how to do it, you conduct it while
you're serving in the intelligence or you're conducted while you're
serving in special operations, like this is what you're.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Trained to do.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
There's a whole other form of warfare that is out
there that we've been engaging in since the beginning, and
all empires or countries engage in this in some way,
shape or form. So it's not new, it's just I
think in the modern era, you know, we it's you know,
it's now a lot easier to be able to say,

(57:48):
well that's not right, that looks like a color revolution.
So but it's really pertinent that Patrick, that you continue
to expose this and and give you know, and you know,
people introduce people to how these systems work and why,
because ultimately what happens our tax dollars are funding these revolutions.

(58:11):
It's in great you know, it's causing more strife and
turmoil for innocent people and people that are you know,
become the victims of these types of eventual kinetic conflicts.
And you know, it's it's heartache, sorrow and despair, you know,
And and I think you know it's it's something that

(58:31):
is it's incumbent upon us to expose this as much
as humanly possible. So I just really appreciate the work
you're doing. I'm so stoked I found it. I'm really
excited that you're you're working with Scott and his organization.
I think you're an incredible value add to them. They
put out great stuff. So where can people find you?

(58:53):
And what are you working on next? That we can
hope to see on substat Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
I'd say that's the best we can find. Me is
a libertarian overwatch on the substack. I do also have
a YouTube which kind of covers just some of those things.
Some of the more recent ones I've been doing is
actually kind of reviewing Justin Romondo's articles from anti war
dot com when he was, you know, right at the
time when it was happening, which are fun to kind
of unpack and discuss a little bit. In terms of

(59:19):
things that have coming down the pipe. As I mentioned earlier,
I'm really I'm very excited for this cue of hip
hop thing, so that'll be coming real soon. I've been
working a lot on twenty ten with Kyrgyzstan, where it's
almost kind of like returning to a scene that I've already.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Been at, because two thousand and five we have the Toolip.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Revolution and now we're right back and some of those
same kind of figures and kind of what you just.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Mentioned there where you're talking about the heartbreak that people feel.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
You know, there are people who are very genuinely in
Kyrgyzstan saying like we want better for ourselves, because I mean,
it's rife with corruption, and unfortunately, once the Toolp revolution happened,
we're seeing exactly the same issues just five years later
leading to that overthrow. So those are some of the
things I've got coming down the pipe. I'm also I'm
looking at there's this USAI defunded cartoon for Gygerstan called

(01:00:04):
Distantech or the Five talking about anti corruption, and it's
just very comical in the way that it's presented as
the best I can describe.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Have you noticed all of the like childlike content that
all government agencies are putting out, even freaking the Iranians
are doing the lego thing, you know, which is like
getting insane views. But it's like it's almost like all
these countries are so in your face, like you're a child.

(01:00:37):
I'm gonna beat you with this child like propaganda because
it works, right, And and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
I'm like, is this is this possible? Like is this real?

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
It's we're going down now to where we're next thing,
we know we'll see Paw Patrol trying to you know,
to get us to overthrow Putin right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Yeah, no, the yeah that that cartoon is just it's
so blatant. Where there's the Minister of Water and one
of the characters somehow magically spawns water and then he goes,
you're going to jail now because of that and because
of illegal laughter and things like that. And then today
I watched there's an Al Jazeera interview where they talk
about it, and someone who's in the Millennium Challenge Corporation,

(01:01:20):
which is the US funded initiative as it were for it,
they they are so blatant, just kind of how you said.
They said, This eight year old came up to me
and they said, wait, is this about Kyrgyzstan. Just to
show how blatant it all kind of is like it's
one thing to have genuine education and things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
And sure anti coruption has a message.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
I think it is, only it's important when it's US
funded to the tune of and not only that. That
Millennium kind of initiative I talked about, even after it
had kind of run out of funding, US aid said, oh,
we still need to put another one hundred and fifty
k for like the next year of it. So it
has like two full seasons of this TV show. But yeah,
I'm going it's been fun watching it. And then just
like typing some some fun notes about everything that's going

(01:02:05):
on in the cartoons. So those are some of the
things I got coming up, and yeah, just continue on
the croninology. So I know Arab Spring's coming up soon.
I know that Maydland's coming up soon. I don't even
want to think about how many words that's gonna be. Yeah,
just a Curvos stamp one right now this morning, we're
near seven thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Uh a, you're gonna destroy seven thousand with those.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
You'll be like twenty five for the you guys, you'll
just turn them into a book.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Brother, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I do hope
to do like the two thousands, two thousand and two
thousand and nine is like a book, and then maybe
from twenty ten to twenty twenty is a book.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
And trying to find one for each year.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
I know some years it's kind of like a stretch,
but there's always something to find, you know. Two thousand
and eight there wasn't like an official one, but it
was kind of proto Arab Spring, where it was the
group April sixth movement that did was a part of
the Egypt movement. Once you get towards the twenty ten
twenty eleven kind of years.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
So for sure. Well, Patrick, I just think you're you're, you're,
you're on point with all this stuff. I can't thank
you enough for coming on. I really appreciate your time
while you're on vacation there, and uh, I really look
forward to your next stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Thank you, absolutely, thank you for having me.