David covers four stories every operator and security-minded American needs to understand right now: 🔹 The Iran CSAR Mission — how 155 aircraft, hundreds of SOF operators, and a CIA deception campaign pulled off one of the biggest pilot rescues since Vietnam. David breaks down the escape and evasion tactics, the parallels to Operation Eagle Claw, and what the equipment losses mean. 🔹 Ben Roberts-Smith War Crimes — Australia's most decorated living soldier arrested for five counts of war crime murder in Afghanistan. David gives his honest assessment as a former operator, the Eddie Gallagher parallels, and why the battlefield is not a courtroom. 🔹 The Spear Operations Group — Navy SEALs and Green Berets ran a secret assassination team out of a $7M mansion in San Diego, paid $1.5M/month by the UAE. David reacts to the kill list, the Delta Force recruiter, and why every operator has had "the mercenary conversation." 🔹 Israeli Consulate Attack in Turkey — three gunmen opened fire on the Israeli consulate in Istanbul this morning. David connects it to the rising threat paradigm and what it signals for Europe and the West.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
01:48 - The Iran CSAR Mission - 155 Aircraft, One Pilot
17:00 - Australia's Most Decorated Soldier Arrested
32:57 - Spear Operations Group - The Mercenary Hit Squad
42:38 - Israeli Consulate Attack in Istanbul
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In the last week, we've had one of the biggest
ceesar missions ever conducted in US history, two pilots.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
On E and E in the mountains of Iran.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
We have one of the most decorded sas Australian sas
soldiers in history be brought up on war crimes. In Afghanistan,
We've had a bunch of Green Berets and Navy seals
that got busted for being their own assassination team for
a foreign government. And finally, just this morning, the Israeli
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consulate in Turkey gets shot up by.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Some bad guys. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
A lot of former operators and current operators are getting
their op on today on The David Rutherford Show. Ooh yuh,
all right, JORDI, Holy bullshit, buddy, we have absolutely like
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this is the Operator's Delight episode. All right, if you're
an operator, or you want to be an operator, or
you dig operator shit, I'm gonna tell you what. This
is the This is the episode for you because I'm
telling you what the four stories we're going to cover
today are absolutely uh paints the essential picture of the
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various stages of an operator's life.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Right, this is no shit. I'm telling you this is
the way.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
This is the narrative of the all right, I know
if you're listening, Hey, I live this life. Maybe not
as quite as aggressive as if I have some friends
who are in this small park in a bunch of ways, right,
but this is the reality of what's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
So let's jump right in. All right.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Uh, this past weekend, I think we everybody was paying attention,
was on their you know, the on pins and needles
and paying attention to this incredible CESAR which which is
a pilot rescue and recovery mission conducted by I don't
even know how many different units were involved in this
CSR rescue attempt over in Iran. And if you're not familiar,
(02:14):
here's some of the background in F fifteen e Strike
Equal from the forty eighth Fighter Wing over in UK
was shot down over southwestern Iran by what Iran calls
a shoulder fire missile, right, And so that's really key
to understand in terms of, you know, in the context
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of a grander invasion or terrorist attacks around the world,
how absolutely effective shoulder fire missile systems are. Right, And
there obviously are reports of these things all over some
that have gotten out of Ukraine some that have come
across the border. Obviously, any one of these countries in
the Middle East is going to have an opportunity to
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get their hands on them, in particular Iran with the
size of their mill terry that they have. Well, one
of the interesting things is, you know, this is the
first aircraft that we've lost and had a pilot down
since two thousand and three Iraqi invasion. There was one
in Serbia that became a famous incident, and really it's
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pretty powerful now if you want to understand how powerful
these are in terms of or how difficult. Probably the
most incredible one I've ever heard is the story of
Tommy Norris, who was a Navy seal in Vietnam who
was taking off a covert mission to come in and
go rescue three down pilots in North Vietnam.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
There was a movie with Gene Hackman about this.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
They really didn't portray Tommy Norris's story, but you can
look it up. He received the Medal of Honor for this.
This was in April of nineteen seventy two. Just an
absolute incredible mission. Tommy ended up rescuing two of the
three down pilots. Just amazing you can check out in
a book called Bound by Honor, which tells Tommy Norris's story,
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and then the follow a further later on mission where
Mike Thornton, another Navy seal, received the Metal of Honor
for actually saving Tommy Norris's life in a recon mission
that went wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
But all right, so let's get back to this, all right,
So you know you had.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
The pilot was obviously located very quickly off after he ejected, right.
Every pilot carries a CESAR radio with pre programmed frequencies.
The challenge with that radio is as soon as you
turn it on, enemy forces can triangle.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It where your location is.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So every pilot based on once they have their idea
of where they are, once they get out their GPS,
their compass, they figure out exactly where they are in
their ten digit grid. Then they can figure out obviously
based on the response or civilian response, they'll have an
(05:04):
e ANDY an escape and evasion protocol that they file,
and every pilot has to go through what's called SEER
School Search Escape, Rescue, Invasion. Every Special Operations Force that
goes down range has to go through SERE and we
have Advanced ser Green berets of very notorious elite seer training.
I went through Sere back in the day, and everybody has,
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even pilots, helicopter pilots, all pilots, everybody has to go
through here, so they're very highly trained how to do this.
But the CESAR mission itself is a very complicated time
oriented mission for obvious reasons. Right, the pilot is trying
to escape and evade to save his own life, because,
as you can imagine, if a pilot gets captured by
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enemy forces, he becomes he becomes an incredible value, not
only for the information or intelligence he has that can
be extrapolated through enhanced interrogation techniques, the fact that he
could become a leveraging tool to negotiate. Right, and certainly,
as I think both sides are reportedly pursuing negotiation tactics,
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somebody having a down pilot would give them substantial leverage.
All right, So you know, the first pilot was wrapped
up and recovered pretty quickly, but there was another pilot
that was still out there on E and E. We
saw recently that Trump came out he said He's gonna
fry the leaker who came out. Well, supposedly the leaker
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was one of that nahu's top journalists over in Israel
who actually leaked that information. I haven't been able to
confirm yet, but that's the alleged report right now. So
you know, in the ensuing rescue attempt, another black helicopter
was struck by Iranian fire during the rescue but did
stay airborne. But on the other hand, and there was
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another separate where an a ten warthog mister Dale Stark's
aircraft of choice. Nothing better than that sound if you're out, honey, Andy,
I bet providing support was hit near the Strait of
Horror Moves and the pilot flew into Kowaiti airspace and
then ejected and ditched the aircraft. Now, the invasion was
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roughly for the other pilot was Friday through Saturday, and
this pilot had to escape into the Zagros Mountains where
he hiked up to a seven thousand foot ridge. Now again, man,
you know you're fine a mission. You get shot out
of the sky, you hit the thing, your aircraft crashes,
All hell's breaking loose. Everybody's out trying to hunt you down,
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trying to find you. Man, you gotta hustle in bookie.
So it's good thing that rule number one cardio was
intact for this guy to be able to get up
on that ridgeline. Now he ended up hiding supposedly in
this mountain crevasse for about twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And again with that radio, you.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Want to be restrictive as you turn that thing on
to make comms with any the rescue unit that's trying
to put together the CEESAR mission for you. Now, he
sent one short radio burst he said, God is good.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Pretty cool. If you ask me if you want to go.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Up on cool factor points for anybody on the ground right,
rule number one is.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Always be cool, and God is Good is definitely cool.
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
One of the things is, you know, when a transmission
does come for a particular thing, you want to make
sure it's actually the person because it could be a trap.
The enemy could have recovered him taking it, forced that
gunpoint for him to turn it on so they could
use it and pass over whatever they thought they needed
to pass right now. I Ran launched a massive counter
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manhunt for this guy, including IRGC soldiers. They offered a
sixty thousand dollars bounty on state TV. They appealed to
armed civilian tribesmen and everybody, you know, And there's a
ton of BBC recorded footage of these people firing arms
at you know, the C one thirties that are patrolling,
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the Blackhawk helicopters that are constantly patrolling, and you gotta
imagine that, you know, once they get a vector on
this guy, you know, they'll have like nineteen aircraft stacked
up ready if anybody gets near to just vaporize these
people with either a Specter gunship or Predator drone strikes
or Apache helicopters just mowing these people down to keep
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this pilot safe.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
There was also this interesting CIA deception campaign, which is
always interesting when when the agency gets involved, right, and
what they're allegedly saying happened is the agency passed misinformation
and disinformation through Iranian channels, and I obviously the goal
is to confuse any responding Iranians as to you know,
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the guy was already picked up with the other guy
was picked up, or whatever it might be. Oh, we
saw him over here, we saw him over there, maybe
even dropping false beacons in and around to distract where
he might be.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
You know, My favorite is that.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
They used unique end quotations unique capabilities to distract their
you know, or con to distract him.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
The No.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
One shot that was put out from Iran that I
thought was awesome, which probably was AI, but I thought
it was funny was there was a group of Iranians
holding up American flag box or briefs, and I just
thought that was awesome.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Hey, if I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Go on E and E, I'm gonna dump my drawers
to get out there so I have less rub, right,
and rub's a real thing when you're on E and E.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I'm telling you that for sure. Now.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
The extraction, you know, Saturday night into Sunday morning, this
was pretty amazing to me. And if these numbers are
actually correct, one hundred and fifty five aircraft were involved,
right hundred. There's hundreds of Special Operations troops. When we
would train, we used to train where you'd have one platoon.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Maybe that was on the ground doing this.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
But obviously Trump didn't want any chance that this thing
went sideways, although a huge aspect of it did go sideways.
In the rescue attempt, they had some very significant complications.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
They had two Sea one thirty.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Thirteen zero one thirty j transport aircraft malfunction on the
ground and they had to destroy these. The US forces
destroyed these along with four helicopters in order to deny
the technology that's in them Iran. So, you know, one
of the interesting parallels when you think back to the
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Iran hostage crisis in nineteen eighty, there was an old
Delta Force operation that had taken place back then called
Desert Claw or was it Eagle Claw. Operation Eagle Claw
was back in the day where a helicopter and one
of those C one thirty fuel replacements connected the helicopter
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and they both exploded and they ended up having to
kank that mission. Fortunately for this one that didn't affect them.
They ended up going in and really establishing a presence
on the ground with those not only the stacks of
surgical air capabilities above, but hundreds of special forces. Now
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we haven't found out if its seals or green berierrets yet,
could have been a combination of both, could have.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Been rangers in there right.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Certainly, Air Force Pair rescuemen, they're the most highly chained pjs,
are the most highly trained for that CSAR mission out
there there. AVSOC units are absolutely phenomenal at what they do.
But I'm sure they probably took every uh soft guy
around who wanted to go shoot Iranians and hey, let
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you want to go, and they're like, I'm in, I'm
all over that. One interesting thing, there were no major
injuries obviously, aside from a sprain ankle.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
No other Americans were killed.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Apparently, allegedly there was some Iranian people that were killed
on the ground, you know. And what they're calling it
is one of the most incredible Seesar missions in American history.
And you know, this is a really interesting thing. You know,
so we used to train for Seesar and everything we do.
And like I said, CESAR can be incredibly complex in
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particular as it relates to the terrain that you're going
to be operating in, right, And this guy was obviously
in mountainous terrains, which makes it very difficult to move.
It makes it very difficult to find him or spot him, right,
It makes it very difficult to get to him or
access to him in terms of being able to land
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helicopter in the area or close enough in proximity. All
these things become a very tedious. The other is depending
upon the climate of of what's going on. If it's dry,
hot and arid. You know, the guy doesn't have a
lot of water on him. He maybe just have a
camelback or one E and E canteen on them, or
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if they're injured. It makes it incredibly difficult from the
ejection because you know that ejection is you know, you're
going three hundred two hundred miles an hour. You pull
your ejection, you get shot out at, you know, a
bunch of g forces. Maybe you hit the canopy, maybe
you don't. You know, your fall to the ground isn't
like you know, you're free falling. It's a controlled crash
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essentially going thirty forty miles an hour, you know, and
then all of a sudden you hit the ground and
you've got a bunch of people who are trying to
hunt you down pretty quickly. So you know that that
mission is very difficult, both you know, for the pilot
to be on e anda and to think clearly and escape,
but also the complexity of making sure you're tracking the guy,
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getting to him in an effective way, making sure you
can hold off any responding forces and safely extract without
any casualties. And once again US Special Operations community has
done so has you know, completed another absolutely insane operation,
which you know, for me is just fantastic because what
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it proves is that our Special Operations guys are just
you know, so good and so amazing at what they do.
I just commend and I'm so proud of all of
the individuals that will participating. I'm proud of that plot,
those pilots who didn't shoot the bed and were able
to really effectively support and enhance their ability to get found.
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So again, but as I back out of this thing again,
you know, you have to take a close assessment of
this and recognize that, you know, Iran has the capabilities
to shoot down our fighters to disrupt rescue missions. However,
those Sea one thirties got impeded from their ability to
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complete it. We had to destroy that and you know
what it means is that they're vulnerabilities and there always is,
so you know, yeah, we want to be proud of
our guys, but we also want to recognize that in
war there are bad things that happen. We've already taken
you know, thirteen casualties and others some reports are it's
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in the hundreds that have been injured on some of
these base attacks. So war's hell regardless. But yeah, we
should be super fired up and really commend the Special
Operations community and all those others the agency, their ground
assets or some of their sources in this very very
successful CESART rescue mission.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So way to go boys, who yah? All right? Next
story Ben Robert Smith? All right?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Ben Robert Smith is the Australian SAS guy that is
being brought up on civilian charges, which is always interesting
for war crimes he committed in multiple years in Afghanistan.
Now what's interesting is one of my good buddies, former
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team guy, a teammate I knew, who also was a
Tier one unit for US, actually was overseas and served
with this unit.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
For what's called the Pet Billet and.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Basically said that these guys were absolutely impeccable in their
operational capabilities and their work ethic and what they did.
He did a combat deployment Afghanistan with them. I forget
what year it was, but he said, these guys are
phenomenal operators across the board. To give you a little
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bit more background on who Robert Ben Robert Smith is.
He's forty seven year old former corporal in Australia's Special
Air Service that's SAS Special Air Service Regiment SASR, which
is their tier one unit over there. He's Australia's most
decorated living soldier. Let me repeat that, he's their most
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decorated living soldier. He was awarded the Victoria Cross, which
is their Medal of Honor for actions in Afghanistan in
twenty ten, which was a hillatious year for Afghanistan combat,
plus the Medal for Gallantry in two thousand and six. Now,
I'll tell you my first deployment over to Afghanistan. I
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got to parlay a little bit with the Australian SASR
guys and really learned a ton from them.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I remember those that unit being one of.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
The first units that figured out how to go out
and really pick fights. So they're super aggressive and they're
super good at what they do, which is turning long range,
long time frame reconnaissance thirty day plus reconnaissance into picking
fights with the enemy. They're really spectacular at doing this.
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We learned a lot from those guys. Now again in
this he had six tours to Afghanistan between six and
twenty twelve. He actually met with Queen Elizabeth IID and
his portrait hung in the Australian War Memorial. That's how
significant a role this guy played in the history of
the Australian sas in their involvement in the g Y.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
All Right, the arrest.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
April seventh, twenty twenty six, he was arrested by Australian
Federal Police at Sydney Airport. He was charged with five
counts of war war crime for war crime murder, which
is a maximum penalty of life imprisonment. The charges related
to the deaths of Afghan nationals between two thousand and
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nine and twenty twelve and Erzgan Province, which is one
of the deadliest, most active and aggressive providences you could
operate in. We did a couple ops there in my day,
and two counts directly causing death and three counts ordering
subordinates to kill unarmed civilians. Now he is the only
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second Australian Afghanistan veteran ever charged with a war crime.
All right, here's the prosecution's case. This is the allegation
at Whiskey one eight mission in two thousand and nine
that he machine gunned an arm armed man with a
prosthetic leg. Now it's reported allegedly that the soldiers later
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drank beer from this guy's prosthetic leg. Now again, what
you have I have to understand is that there were
people in his own unit who testified against him, but
I'll get to that here in a little bit, right
as well as there were Taliban members in Afghanistan that testified,
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and I'll tell you about that, which is again bizarre,
but all right, all right. So the other allegation in
the Whiskey one eight mission in two thousand and nine,
pressured a newly depored SAS soldier to execute an elderly
on Arman Afghan called blooding the rookie kind of an
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initiation fit in doc tradition or ritual, whatever you want
to look at it. The other allegation is from the
Darwan mission in twenty twelve where he kicked a handcuff
civilian Ali John off a cliff and then ordered his
soldiers to shoot him. And then there was another mission
in twenty twelve undered another soldier to shoot an Afghan
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mail who was under detention. SAA witness testified under pseudonyms
to score sheets, which is a body count competition among operators.
In a twenty twenty three civil court found allegations to
be in quotes substantially true based on a balance of probabilities.
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So that's the key thing, the balance of probabilities. Now
this is unique to Australian civil court, all right, and
as the defender's case, this is what they put this
that Robert Smith maintains his complete innocence and has denied
all charges since twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
He claims the men.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Killed at Whiskey one oh eight were legitimate targets Talban
fighters shot lawfully in the heat of battle. At Darwan,
says he and another soldier lawfully shot and killed a
Taliban member hiding in a cornfield, not a handcuff civilian.
He argues the witnesses are jealous former colleagues who fabricated
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testimony because he received the Victoria Cross, the Medal of
Honor for that an investigation had no access to Afghan
crime scenes, no forensic evidence, no photograph, no ballistics, and
the investigator acknowledged a challenging starting point to begin these
accusations with.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
And the other thing is that he was supporting.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Robert Smith was supported by former PM Tony Abbott, who
asked why alleged crimes were caught weren't caught by senior
officers in the after actions reporting of these particular incidents.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Now here's an interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Twenty twenty, this is the fascinating Breton Barryton report found
credible evidence of thirty nine unlawful killings across Australian soft
in Afghanistan. Of the fifty three war crimes investigations open,
thirty nine were closed without charges. Many allegations did not
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survive any scrutiny. Now here's a kicker. Afghan witnesses testified
from a Taliban controlled cobble. The reliability and courtion questions
are pretty substantial if you ask me on those. The
Talimanic committed systemic war crimes for twenty years, mass executions,
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torture child soldiers with zero international prosecutions. Right the Australian
military whistleblower David McBride, who helped expose the war crimes.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Guess what remains imprisoned? All right, here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
When I talked about war crimes on a battlefield, do
they happen?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Hell yeah, they happened. They happened a bunch, they happened
a ton.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
But the reality is, you know, there are a lot
of war crimes in combat, even by the righteous people.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
You could go back and you can evaluate.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Thousands of different scenarios from World War two, post World
War two, to Korea to Vietnam. Remember we had the
Mala incident, We have Iraqi incidents, Abu Grabe, right, all
these incidents of war crimes. And when you start going
down that reality of war crimes in war, I found
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that you typically have an axe to grind or you
have people looking to make rank. The most prolific one
for me was my friend Eddie Gallagher, who was tried
for war crimes in a twenty seventeen deployment to Mosl
where he and his teammates were clearing out ISIS for US.
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You know, where three junior members of his platoon who
essentially didn't want to go up to the front lines
anymore because they probably got a little nervous, ended up
telling jumping in their superiors and going directly to NCIS
and saying that Eddie had killed an IS's fighter on
combat and then murdered him while conducting medical experiments on
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him and the aftermath, and for that Eddie Gallagher was
looking at life imprisonment, you know, very interesting dichotomy or
thing that begins to happen. Now here's what I will
tell you. The battlefield is not a courtroom. And the
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fact that for the entire g watt I mean, in
my very first giant mission that we did in Afghanistan
back in two we had a lawyer come in and
brief us on what we could not and could not do.
So when you start to think about that, there's law
on the battlefield in some capacity. That's where things are
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always going to get a little sketchy. Right now, Do
I believe that we need to have restraints?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Does killing innocent civilians and women and children and the
elderly is that legit?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Fuck?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
No?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
If you're caught doing that, do I think you should
go to jail? Hell? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Does it happen in extremity extremuinating circumstances?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Hell yea.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
If a platoon is pinned down and they're danger close
to being overrun and killed, would I advocate for a
five hundred pound bomb being dropped on the attacker's force
and if there's collateral damage with that?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Do I agree to that? Yeah? Unfortunately I'm gonna have
to go with that one. Is it right?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
No? Is my conscience going to carry the load on that, Yeah,
for sure. But that's war, right, and so you gotta
always be leery of being an armchair quarterback and passing
judgment about what people do on the battlefield.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
The idea about this, there's this thing they call it
the Tall Poppy syndrome, I guess, which is this jealousy
of him receiving the Victoria Cross.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
That's a reality, that's a true thing.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
You know, when when guys and units get awards that
other guys don't get.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Uh, yeah, it can be incredibly challenging.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I mean, I have several friends that came out and
kind of became the face or received accolades for specific events,
and there's a lot of people that are really upset
with the attention that they've gotten, including the families of
some of the fallen that were involved in these operations.
You know, I try and always stay out of what
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I wasn't a part of. I try and restrict my
commentary on what our dinner did not happen. That's between
the guys that were on the battlefield. But I do
know this as a reality, So yeah, it's possible that
you know, these guys but again, here's the here's the
interesting one. You know, there were he had there were
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twenty dudes who testified against them.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
So if it's.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
One to three to five, yeah, you know, I I
that makes sense. But when you have twenty people testifying
against you know, That's why I'm really interested to read
the court transcripts and to see what was written. When
this comes out, I think it should be a relatively
uh a really good story.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
One of the other the last little piece I want
to talk about is you know, when you're coming back
and you do aa rs and you know, we there
was this you know, I thought, uh Andy Stump having
Rob O'Neill on recently his podcast to talk about a
RS and what happens. Yeah, do aa rs get scrubbed
(29:58):
by guys overseas to cover up different things that go
on Aboutlefield? Hell yeah they do. They always have. It's
just a part of you know, this process. You know,
our AAARS is sent up to the headshed and for them. Yeah,
and then that's incumbent upon you know, your senior officers
to do the next level investigation if there's questions about
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what happened or didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
So you know, is this the end of this kind
of thing?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Now, this is always going to be relevant in the
history of combat. It is what is held Back in
the old days, there was nothing like this. It didn't exist.
There were no war crimes or anything. So just the
fact that Western societies presumed to hold themselves accountable to
war crimes, you know, that says something. But again, just
(30:49):
in the most recent war and Iran, we've seen some
questionable things, most particularly the bobbing of the girls' school,
and Iran yet to see any culpability for that.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
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All right, who yeah, all right, let's get to the
next one. All right, the mercenaries.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
One.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Holy shit, JORDI, if I had dude, if I had
a dollar. Honestly, god, do you know what the number
one thing that dudes, when I was in when we
were not working, we're downrange, you know what the number
one thing that we would do in our off time was.
I'm sure it's not working at a coffee shop now now,
(33:20):
definitely not working at the coffee shop. It's not playing
World of Warcraft right now. It's it's sitting around talking
about how we were gonna make millions to the mercenaries
once we got out.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Right, that's the same thing. That's just the thing you do.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I'm telling you what our plan on the West Coast was.
We would come back from deployment, right, we'd have our
thirty day down window, which nobody really knows what's up.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Right, we come back and.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Before we kind of check in and everything gets processed,
all of our bags, our kit and all that, we
just sneak down in Mexico, take down a cartel, right,
pull in, I don't know, twenty million dollars come back
in go buried out in the desert for five years
where eight everybody gets there, goes out, and when they retire,
(34:17):
you go out. You take your little piece, right, and
then we figure out how to launder that stuff and
next thing you know, we've got our little seat money
for the rest of our lives.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Dude, perfect we could go wrong? What could go wrong?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Right?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Well, I'll tell you what could go wrong. So last week.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
The Spear Operations Group was basically it came out that
Abraham Golan and Israeli Hungarian dual citizen and former Special
Forces commando, the founder and CEO of Spear Operations Group,
basically ran an assassinateation's hit team out of a seven
(35:01):
million dollar mansion in Rancho, Santa Fe and San Diego.
Isaac Gilmour, a former Navy seal who was the COO Spear.
He had been decommissioned from the military for accidentally shooting
fellow seal during training. Right, there's one, there's to have
a negligent discharge, and then there's to have a negligent
(35:22):
discharge that shoots your buddy. That's pretty much grounds for dismissal.
And then get this, one of the most famous Delta
operators there is Dale comstock for Delta. Green Beret was
recruited as the head of the target and assassination and
he was paid forty thousand dollars a month plus bonuses
for the successful assassinations. Now, these people have been under
(35:49):
investigation and basically all three defendants publicly admitted their roles
in BuzzFeed interviews, BBC documentary and different podcasts out of there,
So it's not even like they denied it, right, So
here's the operation. So it was incorporated in Delaware in
(36:10):
twenty fifteen and dissolved in twenty eighteen, and the UAE,
the United Arab Emirates, paid Spear one point five million
dollars a month plus bonuses for successful assassinations. The deal
was broken over lunch an Italian restaurant in UAE military
base in Abu Dhabi, and the team was given a
(36:31):
twenty three person kill list cards with names and faces
by a uniform Emirity officer.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Upon landing in Yemen.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
The Tiargets were primarily members of Al Ishla, Yemen's branch
of the Muslim brotherhood. UAE designated them terraces in twenty fourteen.
Critics dispute there this a senior l Aish member who
won the twenty eleven Nobel pre Prices. We're not part
of the Muslim brotherhood target terrorists. Gilmore admitted some targets
(37:05):
may may have been people who simply fell out of favor.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
With ua royal family.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Think about this just for a second, just for a second, now,
hold on before I extrapolate this into fantasyland.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Uh, it's not fantasy and it's reality. And guess what.
I've got one word for you. The Hessians.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Right, you remember who George Bush had to murder when he
crossed the Delaware Delaware River in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
On Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Guess where they were?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
German mercenaries that the British had hired to take out. Uh.
Uh So to think that go back to uh what
who was the one group.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Back in ancient Ukraine? It was Man?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
They were a huge four hire. It was uh the Kazarians.
Uh that the empire? Right, you had Rome.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
You used mercenaries all over the world. Right, so you
know this isn't just a one off story. I thought
this was a dude.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Dude at dude, The Mexican cartels have been using foreign
mercenaries to train all through years, and the fact that
that these UAE, these golf clothed states who have trillions
of dollars in revenue, who don't want their own people
to go do their fighting because you know they don't
do that shit. Why not pay the heathens, the knuckle
(38:37):
draggers to go do it. UH went and found themselves
a bunch of Navy seals and Green berets, you know,
to target some MUDs brotherhood. These guys are like, I
don't give a shit who they I'll kill anybody, anybody
as long as it's a as, so long as it's
at end quotations terrorists, And I can make you know,
a couple million dollars for my efforts now with it?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Why why shouldn't I do that? Beats being a Walmart greeter? Hello,
nice to meet you right now, all right now. The
interesting thing, UH, was that the assassination attempt took place
in December twenty fifteen. UH and Comstock placed an explosive
charge at this guy Mayo al Aisha party in headquarters
(39:26):
in Aiden Yemen. Joan Finish captured the full attack, the explosion,
the gunfight, then the booby trap SUV detonated cotact. Comstock
said in court docs, I was gonna try. I was
going to open the door and throw a couple of
hand grenades and then just go run in and shoot everybody.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
That's the Leroy Jenkins approach right there, dude.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I was just thinking the same le Roy Jenkins. And
if you don't know when Lero Jenks's looking up, go
grock it and you'll find out.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
It's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
This is our, i think, our second Leroy Jenkins reference
since the show's start.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
We're going to keep it going, Yeah, we will for sure,
all right.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
The USA also recruited former Al Kaita members, including a
USS coal bombing suspect, into their security forces. Despite public emissions,
the DJ has never charged anyone under the War Crimes
Act or federal conspiracy statues. UH. The CIA has stated
has stated the claim that it signed off on these
(40:22):
operations as false.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Now, again, this is nothing new.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Remember the last one, which was the other special forces
guy that tried to set up an overthrow of Maduro
down in Venezuela, who's now on the run.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Apparently that guy is out there doing it.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
And if you think there aren't a bunch of former
spets knots or you know, what is the mercenary group
from from Russia.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Do you remember what they're called?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah? Yeah, the guy yeah putin killed the head guy
when he got over his skis in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
The Wagner group, they're out there doing it.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, there's there's groups from every country all over the place.
It doesn't take much. Uh, and your skills are valuable.
So again uh uh while you're sitting in that uh
woe ass course at college, uh, trying to go through
you know, your therapy counseling.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Uh wink wink, nod.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Nod to my buddy who had to do that recently,
who's a former Tier one unit guy. You could be
out there doing targeted assassinations for the UAE and you
get away with it. By the way, that's what this
is saying, is that you get away with this, right, Yeah,
unbelievable all right. You know one of the things about uh,
(41:46):
you know, if you're thinking about becoming a mercenary, it's
a very short lived operation.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
I can tell you that.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
There are also hundreds of stories of these guys getting
wrapped up and put in you know, the dank, nastiest
prisons in all around the world and being left to
rot there because guess what plausible deniability? Right, If you're
out there conducting these type submissions, generally the US government
(42:14):
is not coming to get you, like if you were
a hostage, right, They're gonna let you rot. So you know,
you want to make some quick cast roll the dice,
have at it. But the ramifications if you do get busted,
death or imprisonment in these places where you'll rot for
the rest of your life, tortured, beaten, raped, all those
different things.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Imagine anything worse last, but least today's attacks on Israeli
constant and instable. What happened. Three gunmen opened fire around
twelve thirty pm Local time. They had long barrel reapons,
(42:58):
aks and pistols. They engaged the Turkish police in a firefight.
One attacker was killed, too were wounded and detained. Two
police officers were also injured. The Turkish Interior Minister said
one of the attackers had links to an organization that
exploits in quotation religion.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
The Israeli Foreign Ministry confirmed its consulate was not currently staffed.
The Istanbul governor David Goule called it a move that
reeks of provocation. Three prosecutors signed to the investigation. Turkey's
Justice minister confirmed on site examinations underway. Okay, one of
the things why this is kind of interesting right now,
(43:41):
we did a show recently about the rise in radical
or political motivated attacks in a show the New Threat
Paradigm recently, and I think what this is is something
similar to what we're seeing right We're seeing directed engagements
against the Israeli consulate, who, by the way, recently one
(44:05):
of their ministers came out and said that Turkey is
the new Iran, basically insinuating that that's going on. There's
a lot of other disgruntled people in Turkey as a
result of Israel's actions taking place in southern Lebanon. They've
displaced about one point two million people in southern Lebanon
(44:28):
in the last week week and a half. There's over
fourteen hundred people that have been killed, and a bunch
of old ancient villages have been leveled. Now, they say
they're doing this for their security to push up approximately,
I think it's like fourteen percent of all of Lebanon
they're taking to give them a buffer zone from missiles.
(44:48):
But again, basically they've invaded Lebanon. So one of the
interesting to think things to see is are these attacks
going to continue to elevate. I would imagine they do.
I find it fascinating that we're not seeing any attacks
originate from Syria right now, considering the former head of
Syria is one of the former heads of al Qaida.
(45:11):
That's an interesting perspective we should pay attention to that,
also attention to Turkey, Jordan and.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Egypt as well too.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Also, I think we should be watching Europe for further
on attacks like this as well. Obviously, there has been
hundreds of thousands of immigrants that have flooded into Europe
from these particular regions in these areas, and these sects,
whether Sudi or Shia, that are not happening with what's
going on now. Again, this correlates to a lot of
(45:47):
what we talked about in my episode with Sarah Adams.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Go check that.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Out about attacks that are going to take place in
the West, both Europe as well as America. She feels
that ares like a ninety five percent probability of this. Uh,
but we are seeing these spikes and terror elevate, so
you know, we should pay attention.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Now, what can you do.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Again, Get out there and train carry keep your head
out a swivel, and recognize that we are in this
new threat paradigm and it's important for you to keep
your head on a swivel.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
I tell you what, man, this has been a week
for the operators, right, good god, alrighty man?
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Not.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
I mean in some cases for that guy Smith, it's
not a good week for him for sure. For the mercenaries,
it seems like, yeah, man, this is awesome. We got
away with made a bunch of cash, and we're good
to go, basically.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Basically clear and hot.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
For all my buddies that are sitting on the sidelines
waiting for waiting for the Civil war.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
To clack off, right, they're all sitting to each other
in group chats like Joe, do you see this? Yeah,
oh dude.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
They're texting them directly, Hey man, how do I get
on board?
Speaker 2 (47:01):
What's you know? What is it? Gold Corp? Gold Corp? There,
Their sign ups just.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Went up by like eighty five percent this week because
of spirit, you.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Know, and just again, you know, it's really fascinating.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
You know, as a former operator and intelligence a person
you know, you always try and wonder what your life
is going to look like while you're in obviously, and
crazy shit happens for sure, and you know, God bless
those Ceesar folks. Man. That is obviously one of the
most dangerous operations that can take place and one of
(47:37):
the most complicated things to in order to be effective
in doing it. So bravo Zulu to all you guys, man,
God bless you and your families. And I hope those
pilots recover quickly and you know, some some good awards
are handed out to those cats for sure. On the
flip side of that, you know, the war is still
going on. It's still very dangerous and we still have
(47:59):
to be prepared for the backlashing all these because the
more we continue to bob or or or inflict the
civilian casualties or damage on civilian infrastructure to really put
pressure on the Iranian people, I think, the more likely
we're going to see these responses. So yeah, man, all right, Uh, Jordy,
(48:25):
money for you, big week, big, big, big week for
the operators. Man.
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Who Yeah
Speaker 1 (51:00):
M
In the last week, we've had one of the biggest
ceesar missions ever conducted in US history, two pilots.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
On E and E in the mountains of Iran.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
We have one of the most decorded sas Australian sas
soldiers in history be brought up on war crimes. In Afghanistan,
We've had a bunch of Green Berets and Navy seals
that got busted for being their own assassination team for
a foreign government. And finally, just this morning, the Israeli
(00:33):
consulate in Turkey gets shot up by.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Some bad guys. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
A lot of former operators and current operators are getting
their op on today on The David Rutherford Show. Ooh yuh,
all right, JORDI, Holy bullshit, buddy, we have absolutely like
(01:01):
this is the Operator's Delight episode. All right, if you're
an operator, or you want to be an operator, or
you dig operator shit, I'm gonna tell you what. This
is the This is the episode for you because I'm
telling you what the four stories we're going to cover
today are absolutely uh paints the essential picture of the
(01:25):
various stages of an operator's life.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Right, this is no shit. I'm telling you this is
the way.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
This is the narrative of the all right, I know
if you're listening, Hey, I live this life. Maybe not
as quite as aggressive as if I have some friends
who are in this small park in a bunch of ways, right,
but this is the reality of what's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
So let's jump right in. All right.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Uh, this past weekend, I think we everybody was paying attention,
was on their you know, the on pins and needles
and paying attention to this incredible CESAR which which is
a pilot rescue and recovery mission conducted by I don't
even know how many different units were involved in this
CSR rescue attempt over in Iran. And if you're not familiar,
(02:14):
here's some of the background in F fifteen e Strike
Equal from the forty eighth Fighter Wing over in UK
was shot down over southwestern Iran by what Iran calls
a shoulder fire missile, right, And so that's really key
to understand in terms of, you know, in the context
(02:35):
of a grander invasion or terrorist attacks around the world,
how absolutely effective shoulder fire missile systems are. Right, And
there obviously are reports of these things all over some
that have gotten out of Ukraine some that have come
across the border. Obviously, any one of these countries in
the Middle East is going to have an opportunity to
(02:56):
get their hands on them, in particular Iran with the
size of their mill terry that they have. Well, one
of the interesting things is, you know, this is the
first aircraft that we've lost and had a pilot down
since two thousand and three Iraqi invasion. There was one
in Serbia that became a famous incident, and really it's
(03:18):
pretty powerful now if you want to understand how powerful
these are in terms of or how difficult. Probably the
most incredible one I've ever heard is the story of
Tommy Norris, who was a Navy seal in Vietnam who
was taking off a covert mission to come in and
go rescue three down pilots in North Vietnam.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
There was a movie with Gene Hackman about this.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
They really didn't portray Tommy Norris's story, but you can
look it up. He received the Medal of Honor for this.
This was in April of nineteen seventy two. Just an
absolute incredible mission. Tommy ended up rescuing two of the
three down pilots. Just amazing you can check out in
a book called Bound by Honor, which tells Tommy Norris's story,
(04:08):
and then the follow a further later on mission where
Mike Thornton, another Navy seal, received the Metal of Honor
for actually saving Tommy Norris's life in a recon mission
that went wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
But all right, so let's get back to this, all right,
So you know you had.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
The pilot was obviously located very quickly off after he ejected, right.
Every pilot carries a CESAR radio with pre programmed frequencies.
The challenge with that radio is as soon as you
turn it on, enemy forces can triangle.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It where your location is.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So every pilot based on once they have their idea
of where they are, once they get out their GPS,
their compass, they figure out exactly where they are in
their ten digit grid. Then they can figure out obviously
based on the response or civilian response, they'll have an
(05:04):
e ANDY an escape and evasion protocol that they file,
and every pilot has to go through what's called SEER
School Search Escape, Rescue, Invasion. Every Special Operations Force that
goes down range has to go through SERE and we
have Advanced ser Green berets of very notorious elite seer training.
I went through Sere back in the day, and everybody has,
(05:26):
even pilots, helicopter pilots, all pilots, everybody has to go
through here, so they're very highly trained how to do this.
But the CESAR mission itself is a very complicated time
oriented mission for obvious reasons. Right, the pilot is trying
to escape and evade to save his own life, because,
as you can imagine, if a pilot gets captured by
(05:47):
enemy forces, he becomes he becomes an incredible value, not
only for the information or intelligence he has that can
be extrapolated through enhanced interrogation techniques, the fact that he
could become a leveraging tool to negotiate. Right, and certainly,
as I think both sides are reportedly pursuing negotiation tactics,
(06:12):
somebody having a down pilot would give them substantial leverage.
All right, So you know, the first pilot was wrapped
up and recovered pretty quickly, but there was another pilot
that was still out there on E and E. We
saw recently that Trump came out he said He's gonna
fry the leaker who came out. Well, supposedly the leaker
(06:34):
was one of that nahu's top journalists over in Israel
who actually leaked that information. I haven't been able to
confirm yet, but that's the alleged report right now. So
you know, in the ensuing rescue attempt, another black helicopter
was struck by Iranian fire during the rescue but did
stay airborne. But on the other hand, and there was
(06:57):
another separate where an a ten warthog mister Dale Stark's
aircraft of choice. Nothing better than that sound if you're out, honey, Andy,
I bet providing support was hit near the Strait of
Horror Moves and the pilot flew into Kowaiti airspace and
then ejected and ditched the aircraft. Now, the invasion was
(07:18):
roughly for the other pilot was Friday through Saturday, and
this pilot had to escape into the Zagros Mountains where
he hiked up to a seven thousand foot ridge. Now again, man,
you know you're fine a mission. You get shot out
of the sky, you hit the thing, your aircraft crashes,
All hell's breaking loose. Everybody's out trying to hunt you down,
(07:39):
trying to find you. Man, you gotta hustle in bookie.
So it's good thing that rule number one cardio was
intact for this guy to be able to get up
on that ridgeline. Now he ended up hiding supposedly in
this mountain crevasse for about twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And again with that radio, you.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Want to be restrictive as you turn that thing on
to make comms with any the rescue unit that's trying
to put together the CEESAR mission for you. Now, he
sent one short radio burst he said, God is good.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Pretty cool. If you ask me if you want to go.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Up on cool factor points for anybody on the ground right,
rule number one is.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Always be cool, and God is Good is definitely cool.
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
One of the things is, you know, when a transmission
does come for a particular thing, you want to make
sure it's actually the person because it could be a trap.
The enemy could have recovered him taking it, forced that
gunpoint for him to turn it on so they could
use it and pass over whatever they thought they needed
to pass right now. I Ran launched a massive counter
(08:45):
manhunt for this guy, including IRGC soldiers. They offered a
sixty thousand dollars bounty on state TV. They appealed to
armed civilian tribesmen and everybody, you know, And there's a
ton of BBC recorded footage of these people firing arms
at you know, the C one thirties that are patrolling,
(09:07):
the Blackhawk helicopters that are constantly patrolling, and you gotta
imagine that, you know, once they get a vector on
this guy, you know, they'll have like nineteen aircraft stacked
up ready if anybody gets near to just vaporize these
people with either a Specter gunship or Predator drone strikes
or Apache helicopters just mowing these people down to keep
(09:30):
this pilot safe.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
There was also this interesting CIA deception campaign, which is
always interesting when when the agency gets involved, right, and
what they're allegedly saying happened is the agency passed misinformation
and disinformation through Iranian channels, and I obviously the goal
is to confuse any responding Iranians as to you know,
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the guy was already picked up with the other guy
was picked up, or whatever it might be. Oh, we
saw him over here, we saw him over there, maybe
even dropping false beacons in and around to distract where
he might be.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
You know, My favorite is that.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
They used unique end quotations unique capabilities to distract their
you know, or con to distract him.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
The No.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
One shot that was put out from Iran that I
thought was awesome, which probably was AI, but I thought
it was funny was there was a group of Iranians
holding up American flag box or briefs, and I just
thought that was awesome.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Hey, if I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Go on E and E, I'm gonna dump my drawers
to get out there so I have less rub, right,
and rub's a real thing when you're on E and E.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I'm telling you that for sure. Now.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
The extraction, you know, Saturday night into Sunday morning, this
was pretty amazing to me. And if these numbers are
actually correct, one hundred and fifty five aircraft were involved,
right hundred. There's hundreds of Special Operations troops. When we
would train, we used to train where you'd have one platoon.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Maybe that was on the ground doing this.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
But obviously Trump didn't want any chance that this thing
went sideways, although a huge aspect of it did go sideways.
In the rescue attempt, they had some very significant complications.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
They had two Sea one thirty.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Thirteen zero one thirty j transport aircraft malfunction on the
ground and they had to destroy these. The US forces
destroyed these along with four helicopters in order to deny
the technology that's in them Iran. So, you know, one
of the interesting parallels when you think back to the
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Iran hostage crisis in nineteen eighty, there was an old
Delta Force operation that had taken place back then called
Desert Claw or was it Eagle Claw. Operation Eagle Claw
was back in the day where a helicopter and one
of those C one thirty fuel replacements connected the helicopter
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and they both exploded and they ended up having to
kank that mission. Fortunately for this one that didn't affect them.
They ended up going in and really establishing a presence
on the ground with those not only the stacks of
surgical air capabilities above, but hundreds of special forces. Now
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we haven't found out if its seals or green berierrets yet,
could have been a combination of both, could have.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Been rangers in there right.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Certainly, Air Force Pair rescuemen, they're the most highly chained pjs,
are the most highly trained for that CSAR mission out
there there. AVSOC units are absolutely phenomenal at what they do.
But I'm sure they probably took every uh soft guy
around who wanted to go shoot Iranians and hey, let
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you want to go, and they're like, I'm in, I'm
all over that. One interesting thing, there were no major
injuries obviously, aside from a sprain ankle.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
No other Americans were killed.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Apparently, allegedly there was some Iranian people that were killed
on the ground, you know. And what they're calling it
is one of the most incredible Seesar missions in American history.
And you know, this is a really interesting thing. You know,
so we used to train for Seesar and everything we do.
And like I said, CESAR can be incredibly complex in
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particular as it relates to the terrain that you're going
to be operating in, right, And this guy was obviously
in mountainous terrains, which makes it very difficult to move.
It makes it very difficult to find him or spot him, right,
It makes it very difficult to get to him or
access to him in terms of being able to land
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helicopter in the area or close enough in proximity. All
these things become a very tedious. The other is depending
upon the climate of of what's going on. If it's dry,
hot and arid. You know, the guy doesn't have a
lot of water on him. He maybe just have a
camelback or one E and E canteen on them, or
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if they're injured. It makes it incredibly difficult from the
ejection because you know that ejection is you know, you're
going three hundred two hundred miles an hour. You pull
your ejection, you get shot out at, you know, a
bunch of g forces. Maybe you hit the canopy, maybe
you don't. You know, your fall to the ground isn't
like you know, you're free falling. It's a controlled crash
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essentially going thirty forty miles an hour, you know, and
then all of a sudden you hit the ground and
you've got a bunch of people who are trying to
hunt you down pretty quickly. So you know that that
mission is very difficult, both you know, for the pilot
to be on e anda and to think clearly and escape,
but also the complexity of making sure you're tracking the guy,
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getting to him in an effective way, making sure you
can hold off any responding forces and safely extract without
any casualties. And once again US Special Operations community has
done so has you know, completed another absolutely insane operation,
which you know, for me is just fantastic because what
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it proves is that our Special Operations guys are just
you know, so good and so amazing at what they do.
I just commend and I'm so proud of all of
the individuals that will participating. I'm proud of that plot,
those pilots who didn't shoot the bed and were able
to really effectively support and enhance their ability to get found.
(15:49):
So again, but as I back out of this thing again,
you know, you have to take a close assessment of
this and recognize that, you know, Iran has the capabilities
to shoot down our fighters to disrupt rescue missions. However,
those Sea one thirties got impeded from their ability to
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complete it. We had to destroy that and you know
what it means is that they're vulnerabilities and there always is,
so you know, yeah, we want to be proud of
our guys, but we also want to recognize that in
war there are bad things that happen. We've already taken
you know, thirteen casualties and others some reports are it's
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in the hundreds that have been injured on some of
these base attacks. So war's hell regardless. But yeah, we
should be super fired up and really commend the Special
Operations community and all those others the agency, their ground
assets or some of their sources in this very very
successful CESART rescue mission.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So way to go boys, who yah? All right? Next
story Ben Robert Smith? All right?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Ben Robert Smith is the Australian SAS guy that is
being brought up on civilian charges, which is always interesting
for war crimes he committed in multiple years in Afghanistan.
Now what's interesting is one of my good buddies, former
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team guy, a teammate I knew, who also was a
Tier one unit for US, actually was overseas and served
with this unit.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
For what's called the Pet Billet and.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Basically said that these guys were absolutely impeccable in their
operational capabilities and their work ethic and what they did.
He did a combat deployment Afghanistan with them. I forget
what year it was, but he said, these guys are
phenomenal operators across the board. To give you a little
(18:05):
bit more background on who Robert Ben Robert Smith is.
He's forty seven year old former corporal in Australia's Special
Air Service that's SAS Special Air Service Regiment SASR, which
is their tier one unit over there. He's Australia's most
decorated living soldier. Let me repeat that, he's their most
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decorated living soldier. He was awarded the Victoria Cross, which
is their Medal of Honor for actions in Afghanistan in
twenty ten, which was a hillatious year for Afghanistan combat,
plus the Medal for Gallantry in two thousand and six. Now,
I'll tell you my first deployment over to Afghanistan. I
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got to parlay a little bit with the Australian SASR
guys and really learned a ton from them.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I remember those that unit being one of.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
The first units that figured out how to go out
and really pick fights. So they're super aggressive and they're
super good at what they do, which is turning long range,
long time frame reconnaissance thirty day plus reconnaissance into picking
fights with the enemy. They're really spectacular at doing this.
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We learned a lot from those guys. Now again in
this he had six tours to Afghanistan between six and
twenty twelve. He actually met with Queen Elizabeth IID and
his portrait hung in the Australian War Memorial. That's how
significant a role this guy played in the history of
the Australian sas in their involvement in the g Y.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
All Right, the arrest.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
April seventh, twenty twenty six, he was arrested by Australian
Federal Police at Sydney Airport. He was charged with five
counts of war war crime for war crime murder, which
is a maximum penalty of life imprisonment. The charges related
to the deaths of Afghan nationals between two thousand and
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nine and twenty twelve and Erzgan Province, which is one
of the deadliest, most active and aggressive providences you could
operate in. We did a couple ops there in my day,
and two counts directly causing death and three counts ordering
subordinates to kill unarmed civilians. Now he is the only
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second Australian Afghanistan veteran ever charged with a war crime.
All right, here's the prosecution's case. This is the allegation
at Whiskey one eight mission in two thousand and nine
that he machine gunned an arm armed man with a
prosthetic leg. Now it's reported allegedly that the soldiers later
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drank beer from this guy's prosthetic leg. Now again, what
you have I have to understand is that there were
people in his own unit who testified against him, but
I'll get to that here in a little bit, right
as well as there were Taliban members in Afghanistan that testified,
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and I'll tell you about that, which is again bizarre,
but all right, all right. So the other allegation in
the Whiskey one eight mission in two thousand and nine,
pressured a newly depored SAS soldier to execute an elderly
on Arman Afghan called blooding the rookie kind of an
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initiation fit in doc tradition or ritual, whatever you want
to look at it. The other allegation is from the
Darwan mission in twenty twelve where he kicked a handcuff
civilian Ali John off a cliff and then ordered his
soldiers to shoot him. And then there was another mission
in twenty twelve undered another soldier to shoot an Afghan
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mail who was under detention. SAA witness testified under pseudonyms
to score sheets, which is a body count competition among operators.
In a twenty twenty three civil court found allegations to
be in quotes substantially true based on a balance of probabilities.
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So that's the key thing, the balance of probabilities. Now
this is unique to Australian civil court, all right, and
as the defender's case, this is what they put this
that Robert Smith maintains his complete innocence and has denied
all charges since twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
He claims the men.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Killed at Whiskey one oh eight were legitimate targets Talban
fighters shot lawfully in the heat of battle. At Darwan,
says he and another soldier lawfully shot and killed a
Taliban member hiding in a cornfield, not a handcuff civilian.
He argues the witnesses are jealous former colleagues who fabricated
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testimony because he received the Victoria Cross, the Medal of
Honor for that an investigation had no access to Afghan
crime scenes, no forensic evidence, no photograph, no ballistics, and
the investigator acknowledged a challenging starting point to begin these
accusations with.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
And the other thing is that he was supporting.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Robert Smith was supported by former PM Tony Abbott, who
asked why alleged crimes were caught weren't caught by senior
officers in the after actions reporting of these particular incidents.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Now here's an interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Twenty twenty, this is the fascinating Breton Barryton report found
credible evidence of thirty nine unlawful killings across Australian soft
in Afghanistan. Of the fifty three war crimes investigations open,
thirty nine were closed without charges. Many allegations did not
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survive any scrutiny. Now here's a kicker. Afghan witnesses testified
from a Taliban controlled cobble. The reliability and courtion questions
are pretty substantial if you ask me on those. The
Talimanic committed systemic war crimes for twenty years, mass executions,
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torture child soldiers with zero international prosecutions. Right the Australian
military whistleblower David McBride, who helped expose the war crimes.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Guess what remains imprisoned? All right, here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
When I talked about war crimes on a battlefield, do
they happen?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Hell yeah, they happened. They happened a bunch, they happened
a ton.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
But the reality is, you know, there are a lot
of war crimes in combat, even by the righteous people.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
You could go back and you can evaluate.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Thousands of different scenarios from World War two, post World
War two, to Korea to Vietnam. Remember we had the
Mala incident, We have Iraqi incidents, Abu Grabe, right, all
these incidents of war crimes. And when you start going
down that reality of war crimes in war, I found
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that you typically have an axe to grind or you
have people looking to make rank. The most prolific one
for me was my friend Eddie Gallagher, who was tried
for war crimes in a twenty seventeen deployment to Mosl
where he and his teammates were clearing out ISIS for US.
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You know, where three junior members of his platoon who
essentially didn't want to go up to the front lines
anymore because they probably got a little nervous, ended up
telling jumping in their superiors and going directly to NCIS
and saying that Eddie had killed an IS's fighter on
combat and then murdered him while conducting medical experiments on
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him and the aftermath, and for that Eddie Gallagher was
looking at life imprisonment, you know, very interesting dichotomy or
thing that begins to happen. Now here's what I will
tell you. The battlefield is not a courtroom. And the
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fact that for the entire g watt I mean, in
my very first giant mission that we did in Afghanistan
back in two we had a lawyer come in and
brief us on what we could not and could not do.
So when you start to think about that, there's law
on the battlefield in some capacity. That's where things are
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always going to get a little sketchy. Right now, Do
I believe that we need to have restraints?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Does killing innocent civilians and women and children and the
elderly is that legit?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Fuck?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
No?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
If you're caught doing that, do I think you should
go to jail? Hell? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Does it happen in extremity extremuinating circumstances?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Hell yea.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
If a platoon is pinned down and they're danger close
to being overrun and killed, would I advocate for a
five hundred pound bomb being dropped on the attacker's force
and if there's collateral damage with that?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Do I agree to that? Yeah? Unfortunately I'm gonna have
to go with that one. Is it right?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
No? Is my conscience going to carry the load on that, Yeah,
for sure. But that's war, right, and so you gotta
always be leery of being an armchair quarterback and passing
judgment about what people do on the battlefield.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
The idea about this, there's this thing they call it
the Tall Poppy syndrome, I guess, which is this jealousy
of him receiving the Victoria Cross.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
That's a reality, that's a true thing.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
You know, when when guys and units get awards that
other guys don't get.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Uh, yeah, it can be incredibly challenging.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I mean, I have several friends that came out and
kind of became the face or received accolades for specific events,
and there's a lot of people that are really upset
with the attention that they've gotten, including the families of
some of the fallen that were involved in these operations.
You know, I try and always stay out of what
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I wasn't a part of. I try and restrict my
commentary on what our dinner did not happen. That's between
the guys that were on the battlefield. But I do
know this as a reality, So yeah, it's possible that
you know, these guys but again, here's the here's the
interesting one. You know, there were he had there were
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twenty dudes who testified against them.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
So if it's.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
One to three to five, yeah, you know, I I
that makes sense. But when you have twenty people testifying
against you know, That's why I'm really interested to read
the court transcripts and to see what was written. When
this comes out, I think it should be a relatively
uh a really good story.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
One of the other the last little piece I want
to talk about is you know, when you're coming back
and you do aa rs and you know, we there
was this you know, I thought, uh Andy Stump having
Rob O'Neill on recently his podcast to talk about a
RS and what happens. Yeah, do aa rs get scrubbed
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by guys overseas to cover up different things that go
on Aboutlefield? Hell yeah they do. They always have. It's
just a part of you know, this process. You know,
our AAARS is sent up to the headshed and for them. Yeah,
and then that's incumbent upon you know, your senior officers
to do the next level investigation if there's questions about
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what happened or didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
So you know, is this the end of this kind
of thing?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Now, this is always going to be relevant in the
history of combat. It is what is held Back in
the old days, there was nothing like this. It didn't exist.
There were no war crimes or anything. So just the
fact that Western societies presumed to hold themselves accountable to
war crimes, you know, that says something. But again, just
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in the most recent war and Iran, we've seen some
questionable things, most particularly the bobbing of the girls' school,
and Iran yet to see any culpability for that.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
All right, we're on a roll.
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All right, who yeah, all right, let's get to the
next one. All right, the mercenaries.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
One.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Holy shit, JORDI, if I had dude, if I had
a dollar. Honestly, god, do you know what the number
one thing that dudes, when I was in when we
were not working, we're downrange, you know what the number
one thing that we would do in our off time was.
I'm sure it's not working at a coffee shop now now,
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definitely not working at the coffee shop. It's not playing
World of Warcraft right now. It's it's sitting around talking
about how we were gonna make millions to the mercenaries
once we got out.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Right, that's the same thing. That's just the thing you do.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I'm telling you what our plan on the West Coast was.
We would come back from deployment, right, we'd have our
thirty day down window, which nobody really knows what's up.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Right, we come back and.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Before we kind of check in and everything gets processed,
all of our bags, our kit and all that, we
just sneak down in Mexico, take down a cartel, right,
pull in, I don't know, twenty million dollars come back
in go buried out in the desert for five years
where eight everybody gets there, goes out, and when they retire,
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you go out. You take your little piece, right, and
then we figure out how to launder that stuff and
next thing you know, we've got our little seat money
for the rest of our lives.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Dude, perfect we could go wrong? What could go wrong?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Right?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Well, I'll tell you what could go wrong. So last week.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
The Spear Operations Group was basically it came out that
Abraham Golan and Israeli Hungarian dual citizen and former Special
Forces commando, the founder and CEO of Spear Operations Group,
basically ran an assassinateation's hit team out of a seven
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million dollar mansion in Rancho, Santa Fe and San Diego.
Isaac Gilmour, a former Navy seal who was the COO Spear.
He had been decommissioned from the military for accidentally shooting
fellow seal during training. Right, there's one, there's to have
a negligent discharge, and then there's to have a negligent
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discharge that shoots your buddy. That's pretty much grounds for dismissal.
And then get this, one of the most famous Delta
operators there is Dale comstock for Delta. Green Beret was
recruited as the head of the target and assassination and
he was paid forty thousand dollars a month plus bonuses
for the successful assassinations. Now, these people have been under
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investigation and basically all three defendants publicly admitted their roles
in BuzzFeed interviews, BBC documentary and different podcasts out of there,
So it's not even like they denied it, right, So
here's the operation. So it was incorporated in Delaware in
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twenty fifteen and dissolved in twenty eighteen, and the UAE,
the United Arab Emirates, paid Spear one point five million
dollars a month plus bonuses for successful assassinations. The deal
was broken over lunch an Italian restaurant in UAE military
base in Abu Dhabi, and the team was given a
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twenty three person kill list cards with names and faces
by a uniform Emirity officer.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Upon landing in Yemen.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
The Tiargets were primarily members of Al Ishla, Yemen's branch
of the Muslim brotherhood. UAE designated them terraces in twenty fourteen.
Critics dispute there this a senior l Aish member who
won the twenty eleven Nobel pre Prices. We're not part
of the Muslim brotherhood target terrorists. Gilmore admitted some targets
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may may have been people who simply fell out of favor.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
With ua royal family.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Think about this just for a second, just for a second, now,
hold on before I extrapolate this into fantasyland.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Uh, it's not fantasy and it's reality. And guess what.
I've got one word for you. The Hessians.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Right, you remember who George Bush had to murder when he
crossed the Delaware Delaware River in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
On Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Guess where they were?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
German mercenaries that the British had hired to take out. Uh.
Uh So to think that go back to uh what
who was the one group.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Back in ancient Ukraine? It was Man?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
They were a huge four hire. It was uh the Kazarians.
Uh that the empire? Right, you had Rome.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
You used mercenaries all over the world. Right, so you
know this isn't just a one off story. I thought
this was a dude.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Dude at dude, The Mexican cartels have been using foreign
mercenaries to train all through years, and the fact that
that these UAE, these golf clothed states who have trillions
of dollars in revenue, who don't want their own people
to go do their fighting because you know they don't
do that shit. Why not pay the heathens, the knuckle
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draggers to go do it. UH went and found themselves
a bunch of Navy seals and Green berets, you know,
to target some MUDs brotherhood. These guys are like, I
don't give a shit who they I'll kill anybody, anybody
as long as it's a as, so long as it's
at end quotations terrorists, And I can make you know,
a couple million dollars for my efforts now with it?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Why why shouldn't I do that? Beats being a Walmart greeter? Hello,
nice to meet you right now, all right now. The
interesting thing, UH, was that the assassination attempt took place
in December twenty fifteen. UH and Comstock placed an explosive
charge at this guy Mayo al Aisha party in headquarters
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in Aiden Yemen. Joan Finish captured the full attack, the explosion,
the gunfight, then the booby trap SUV detonated cotact. Comstock
said in court docs, I was gonna try. I was
going to open the door and throw a couple of
hand grenades and then just go run in and shoot everybody.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
That's the Leroy Jenkins approach right there, dude.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I was just thinking the same le Roy Jenkins. And
if you don't know when Lero Jenks's looking up, go
grock it and you'll find out.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
It's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
This is our, i think, our second Leroy Jenkins reference
since the show's start.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
We're going to keep it going, Yeah, we will for sure,
all right.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
The USA also recruited former Al Kaita members, including a
USS coal bombing suspect, into their security forces. Despite public emissions,
the DJ has never charged anyone under the War Crimes
Act or federal conspiracy statues. UH. The CIA has stated
has stated the claim that it signed off on these
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operations as false.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Now, again, this is nothing new.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Remember the last one, which was the other special forces
guy that tried to set up an overthrow of Maduro
down in Venezuela, who's now on the run.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Apparently that guy is out there doing it.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
And if you think there aren't a bunch of former
spets knots or you know, what is the mercenary group
from from Russia.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Do you remember what they're called?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah? Yeah, the guy yeah putin killed the head guy
when he got over his skis in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
The Wagner group, they're out there doing it.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, there's there's groups from every country all over the place.
It doesn't take much. Uh, and your skills are valuable.
So again uh uh while you're sitting in that uh
woe ass course at college, uh, trying to go through
you know, your therapy counseling.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Uh wink wink, nod.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Nod to my buddy who had to do that recently,
who's a former Tier one unit guy. You could be
out there doing targeted assassinations for the UAE and you
get away with it. By the way, that's what this
is saying, is that you get away with this, right, Yeah,
unbelievable all right. You know one of the things about uh,
(41:46):
you know, if you're thinking about becoming a mercenary, it's
a very short lived operation.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
I can tell you that.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
There are also hundreds of stories of these guys getting
wrapped up and put in you know, the dank, nastiest
prisons in all around the world and being left to
rot there because guess what plausible deniability? Right, If you're
out there conducting these type submissions, generally the US government
(42:14):
is not coming to get you, like if you were
a hostage, right, They're gonna let you rot. So you know,
you want to make some quick cast roll the dice,
have at it. But the ramifications if you do get busted,
death or imprisonment in these places where you'll rot for
the rest of your life, tortured, beaten, raped, all those
different things.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Imagine anything worse last, but least today's attacks on Israeli
constant and instable. What happened. Three gunmen opened fire around
twelve thirty pm Local time. They had long barrel reapons,
(42:58):
aks and pistols. They engaged the Turkish police in a firefight.
One attacker was killed, too were wounded and detained. Two
police officers were also injured. The Turkish Interior Minister said
one of the attackers had links to an organization that
exploits in quotation religion.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
The Israeli Foreign Ministry confirmed its consulate was not currently staffed.
The Istanbul governor David Goule called it a move that
reeks of provocation. Three prosecutors signed to the investigation. Turkey's
Justice minister confirmed on site examinations underway. Okay, one of
the things why this is kind of interesting right now,
(43:41):
we did a show recently about the rise in radical
or political motivated attacks in a show the New Threat
Paradigm recently, and I think what this is is something
similar to what we're seeing right We're seeing directed engagements
against the Israeli consulate, who, by the way, recently one
(44:05):
of their ministers came out and said that Turkey is
the new Iran, basically insinuating that that's going on. There's
a lot of other disgruntled people in Turkey as a
result of Israel's actions taking place in southern Lebanon. They've
displaced about one point two million people in southern Lebanon
(44:28):
in the last week week and a half. There's over
fourteen hundred people that have been killed, and a bunch
of old ancient villages have been leveled. Now, they say
they're doing this for their security to push up approximately,
I think it's like fourteen percent of all of Lebanon
they're taking to give them a buffer zone from missiles.
(44:48):
But again, basically they've invaded Lebanon. So one of the
interesting to think things to see is are these attacks
going to continue to elevate. I would imagine they do.
I find it fascinating that we're not seeing any attacks
originate from Syria right now, considering the former head of
Syria is one of the former heads of al Qaida.
(45:11):
That's an interesting perspective we should pay attention to that,
also attention to Turkey, Jordan and.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Egypt as well too.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Also, I think we should be watching Europe for further
on attacks like this as well. Obviously, there has been
hundreds of thousands of immigrants that have flooded into Europe
from these particular regions in these areas, and these sects,
whether Sudi or Shia, that are not happening with what's
going on now. Again, this correlates to a lot of
(45:47):
what we talked about in my episode with Sarah Adams.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Go check that.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Out about attacks that are going to take place in
the West, both Europe as well as America. She feels
that ares like a ninety five percent probability of this. Uh,
but we are seeing these spikes and terror elevate, so
you know, we should pay attention.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Now, what can you do.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Again, Get out there and train carry keep your head
out a swivel, and recognize that we are in this
new threat paradigm and it's important for you to keep
your head on a swivel.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
I tell you what, man, this has been a week
for the operators, right, good god, alrighty man?
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Not.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
I mean in some cases for that guy Smith, it's
not a good week for him for sure. For the mercenaries,
it seems like, yeah, man, this is awesome. We got
away with made a bunch of cash, and we're good
to go, basically.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Basically clear and hot.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
For all my buddies that are sitting on the sidelines
waiting for waiting for the Civil war.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
To clack off, right, they're all sitting to each other
in group chats like Joe, do you see this? Yeah,
oh dude.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
They're texting them directly, Hey man, how do I get
on board?
Speaker 2 (47:01):
What's you know? What is it? Gold Corp? Gold Corp? There,
Their sign ups just.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Went up by like eighty five percent this week because
of spirit, you.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Know, and just again, you know, it's really fascinating.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
You know, as a former operator and intelligence a person
you know, you always try and wonder what your life
is going to look like while you're in obviously, and
crazy shit happens for sure, and you know, God bless
those Ceesar folks. Man. That is obviously one of the
most dangerous operations that can take place and one of
(47:37):
the most complicated things to in order to be effective
in doing it. So bravo Zulu to all you guys, man,
God bless you and your families. And I hope those
pilots recover quickly and you know, some some good awards
are handed out to those cats for sure. On the
flip side of that, you know, the war is still
going on. It's still very dangerous and we still have
(47:59):
to be prepared for the backlashing all these because the
more we continue to bob or or or inflict the
civilian casualties or damage on civilian infrastructure to really put
pressure on the Iranian people, I think, the more likely
we're going to see these responses. So yeah, man, all right, Uh, Jordy,
(48:25):
money for you, big week, big, big, big week for
the operators. Man.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I enjoyed doing that show. Uh. If you've are you
if you're digging the show?
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What we really could use help with is is obviously subscribing.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
We need that the most.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
The more we subscribers we get uh, the more we
get paid, the more we can bring you better shores,
more dynamic. We've got something big in the works coming
up this weekend, Jordan and I are flying out. We're
gonna do something really cool with some of our friends,
uh and bring that that show to you.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Hear you.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Soon we can be able to afford to do more
of that which we want to do. We're talking about
maybe starting to do some more external guests to come
on and shoot training videos that'll go into our Frog
Logic Institute. If you want to check that out, go
visit David Brotherford dot com. I've got three courses or
there automatically Embrace fear, forging self confidence, Live the team life.
(49:21):
We're gonna go with your help and support and our
support from our sponsors from iHeart and Black Rifle and others,
We're gonna get out there and we're gonna try and
recruit tep top people who have great.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Lessons to teach and bring them on.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Jordy's in the process of develop an app, which I love.
We're really gonna start working hard on that we're hopefully
get that out by the summer to y'all to where
you can have a very fixated place on your phone
to go through all the curriculum for you know, obviously
small fees up front, but then over time. But we
just want people to come on and use the site
(49:59):
and then obviously if you can write, share it with
another person, give commentary. You know, obviously a review of
the show is amazing for us. So if you could
take five minutes out of your time give us a
little review. Five stars really drive us up all over
the algorithms everywhere.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
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Speaker 1 (50:20):
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Speaker 2 (50:40):
Jordy, big band, Dude, Big week, Buddy. Listen. We love
you guys.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
We love the operators out there, who God Bless Thank Christ.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Who Yeah
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