David sits down with Georgia State Senator Greg Dolezal to discuss the political battle over election integrity, voting systems, and the future of American democracy.
Dolezal shares his journey from managing tours for Christian artist Chris Tomlin to serving in the Georgia State Senate, where he has become a leading voice pushing for election reform. The conversation dives into the controversies surrounding the 2020 election, vulnerabilities in voting systems, and the legislative fights happening behind the scenes in state government.
They also explore broader questions about political courage, the role of faith in public service, and the challenges of confronting powerful institutions. Whether you’re interested in politics, public policy, or the future of American elections, this episode offers a rare look inside the front lines of state-level governance.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - From Touring With Chris Tomlin To Going Into Politics
09:39 - 2020 Election, Fraud & Cover Ups
38:31 - Sharia Law Bill
42:39 - Do You Fear For Your Life?
47:20 - Message To Georgia Voters
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
What's up, team, everybody, Welcome to the show. Today, we
have an incredible guest, a man that has decided to
take on the system at the highest level by running
for Lieutenant governor of Georgia. He's been in the house
there since twenty eighteen, nineteen and really is the man
that's leading the charge and waking Georgians up about election fraud.
(00:34):
Mister Greg Dolzar, David, welcome to Yeah, welcome to the show,
my friend. Yeah, thanks for coming on. Man. When Tudor
reached out to us and was saying you were interested
in coming on and talking about this, Jordi and I
were like high five and finally a politician that's reaching
out to us who wants to get involved in this,
and we were pretty we're pretty excited to hear hear
(00:56):
your thoughts on all this. All right, you know, obviously
we can jump right in your your speech on the
floor talking about Fanny Willis and how it started the
day after Trump, you know, her coordinated coordination with the
Biden White House and Jack Smith started the day after
Trump announced he was running in twenty two. You know,
that thing went viral all over the place, and for me,
(01:18):
it was this overwhelming sense, like, oh, now, actual people
that are in seats of power are pushing back on
the reality that the elections were fraudulent. And but before
we get into that, just tell us how do you
go from being tour manager one of the biggest Christian
artists to growing up on a farm, you know, being involved,
(01:40):
you know, with your church and really just seemingly having
the ideal life and supporting your obviously your true mission,
which is to support Christ you know, and then all
of a sudden, now it's like, oh, I think I'm
going to get into Georgia politics, Like how does that happen? Man? Man?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
We were called to it, and that's that's the only
thing I can tell you. It was a wild journey,
you know, in my twenties and in my thirties I did.
I spent a decade on the road with Chris Tomlin
and it was the honor of a lifetime man. He
his career started obviously very minimally, just leading worship at churches.
I kind of came in when he started doing his
first tour and then everything exploded in an amazing way.
(02:19):
And so I had the opportunity to go around the
world with Chris Wow, did you know ten years of
touring together and I'm actually going to go help them
with this Good Friday event this year in Nashville is
something he's done every year for a decade now. So
I'm still like the old guy who they bring in
on these big events where they want to, you know,
get stuff done, stuff right.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
You're the og right man, Like nobody understands the technicalities
involved in being a tour manager and helping orchestrate those logistics, which,
in my opinion, you know, logistics in the military are
the essence of how militaries function, Logistics and businesses, you know,
but in particular as it comes to entertainment, there's so
(02:58):
much that a hind being able to bring a message
out in a powerful way to the masses. And man,
just kudos Anya forgetting behind that and what you learned.
But you know, give me one story from being on
road in those ten years where you saw vividly saw
the work what he was doing in the audience or
(03:19):
in a group of people or a particular person that
you're like, I know, I'm supposed to be where God
wants me.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Man, it's so hard to pick one moment.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I would say that a couple of times that we
went to Australia were really just powerful moments. We had
followed these guys that were, you know, kind of pioneers
in the worship space over there called Hillsong, and to
kind of step into their stream of what they were
doing and see what was happening over there was was amazing.
But you know, for me, going through South America saw
(03:47):
Pollo was amazingly. Brazilian people are amazing and to see
them worship was just a kind of next level. And
then to go into some of the cultures where we
kind of had to go in under the radar was
you know, was interesting as well, where you know Christianity,
Christians are a minority, often persecuted people groups, and so
that was you know, that was something that was that
(04:08):
really crystallized for me how lucky I have it here
in America and something that just growing up to me
I took for granted and didn't you know ever kind
of stop and say, man, this is amazing. I get
to go to church on Sunday and I realize even
that even that is a luxury. And so you know,
when we transitioned out basically what happened, man, was my
wife and I.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Started having kids.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
We've got four kids, and Chris is like, I want
you to do this for ten more years. I've got
ten more years than me. Will you do it for
ten more years? And ironically this is ten years for
him past that point. But I'm just like, this is
a young man's game. I'm in my thirties and I
need to go home and you know, raise my family.
And so transitioned away from that and just began to
pray and think about what would be next. And I
(04:50):
own a software development company that my partners and I
started twenty years ago, and so that was kind of
growing this whole time as well. So we had a
lot of moving pieces in life. But I had my
state senator decided to run for governor, and we talked
about it, we prayed about it, we got in the race,
and we just went out. I went out and knocked
on ten thousand doors. Wow, my community. And that's not
(05:12):
like pay the interns to go knock on doors that way, Well.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
You gotta do it. You gotta do it.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
My knuckles hitting the door, and what's crazy?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
David is like, to this day, eight nine years later,
people will still say, man, I remember that time you
knocked on my door. And so for all of the
guys looking to get a start in politics, to all
the ladies that think that this might be for them
as well, you got to you got to put shoe
leather on the ground and go work it.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well, what's the I mean, one of the most famous
stories of all of that type of thing is, you know,
Jack Kennedy going to the most you know, the prey,
you know, the impoverished areas of West Virginia, you know
all these different places which were entrenched in conservative Republican views, right,
(05:55):
and he just preached his case to him like, Hey,
this is who I am, this is what I'm doing.
And and I think that translates always translates into victory, right,
because when you're face to face with somebody, you know,
people's BS meter can be paying pretty quick, and and
and people that are are eking out a living every day,
(06:15):
trying to pay their bills, trying to take care of
their kids and their family. When they look you in
the face, they know whether or not you're you know,
full of it, or or you're being genuine. So, man,
Kudo's anya for getting out there and doing that, did that,
did that reinforce the desire because obviously there might there
must have been some type of trepidation about wanting to
(06:37):
be a politician. I mean obviously even even in even
in localized, you know, state congressional, it's still there's still
a pretty significant game being played, right at all levels
both sides. Yeah, did that like drive you more towards
it or or what was the what was the process
(06:58):
that that? Uh? What is it? It's the you're looking
for the enlightenment, right, the thing that kind of like
when you're when you're when you get born again, right
when you get saved, it's like, oh, now, this is
what I'm supposed to do. Did you have that each
time each door you knocked on?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I will tell you that for me, as an introvert,
getting out every single day and going knocking on doors
was it was a spiritual discipline because but for just
really having to kind of both talk myself into it
and pray myself through it.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
It was not what I was comfortable doing.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
But the amazing thing was I would go home almost
every day and there would have been one conversation that
was just like, oh, that's why I'm doing this. I
remember one in particular, I walk up this driveway and
there's a lady standing in her driveway.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I start talking to this older lady.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I look over her shoulder and she's got a veteran's
license plate on her car in her garage. And I said, oh,
mam Amory, you a veteran and she said, no, my
husband is what you'd like to meet?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Him?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Said yeah, sure.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Well, she brings me in the house and introduces me
to her disabled and blind husband. And the house is
pretty disheveled. There's kind of stuff everywhere. She's doing everything
she can to take care of her husband and you know,
take care of herself. And I end up sitting with
that couple for about an hour and a half and
having the most amazing conversation. And I remember I went home.
(08:16):
I told my wife, I said, we're going to lose
this election. She said, what do you mean. I said,
the whole reason I was in this race was to
have this conversation that I had today with this couple,
and just to be able to spend time with them
because they were They told me nobody had been inside
their house for a couple of years. They didn't have
family in the area. They were just lonely, and I
get emotionally been thinking about it right now because it
(08:36):
was it was this moment where I'm like, all right,
this is why I'm doing it, And even though I
went on to win, it's still why I'm doing it,
because those are the people that don't have the voice
of the capitol right so down here, man, they're a
lobbyists all over this place. There are special interests down here.
There's backslaping politicians who kind of love the game and
love the scene. And I really don't get involved in
(08:58):
that because I just I think about those people back home,
and it's like, that's my compelling why. You know, a
lot of people point to their kids as their why,
and there's a lot of that for me as well,
certainly thinking about the next generation, but I also think
about that older man, that veteran who fought and served
as country and he's handed the baton off to my
generation now, and the question becomes, what are we going
(09:18):
to do about it?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
One hundred percent? So I imagine when you get in
there's a pretty steep learning curve for sure the first
couple of years. But for you, man, that learning curve
seems like it was like it was it was. It
was interstellar, right, because you all of a sudden, immediately
you're faced with the twenty twenty elections. I know a
(09:42):
lot of the country obviously as a result of J six, right,
there was enough to drive that movement up into d C.
Did you feel the sensation that something was off? Did
you get an e you know? Did you have that
or where were you when it went down?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
So I was the first elected official in the state
of Georgia to hold a press conference after the twenty
twenty election, and a couple of my senator friends came
with me and we were a group and leadership told
us not to go. We were instructed by our President
pro tem there was a bad idea to say anything
about the election. And I'm a freshman at this time,
this is my very first term, and they're like, all right,
(10:21):
Nola's all you go speak for us. So I did,
and I walked up to the microphone and called for
an audit of the election, called for a number of
steps that should be taken with an eye towards even
the January runoff election that ultimately were the elections that
installed Raphael Warnock and John Ausoff. And at that point
in time man the fire came. Leadership was angry. The
(10:41):
lieutenant governor at the time walked into a meeting with
all of us and chastised us. A number of my
friends who that were in senior positions in the state
Senate were stripped of their committees, which is kind of
the conduit of influence and power in any legislature. So
we like to joke that one of the guys, actually
Bert Jaans, went on to become a lieutenant governor. And
(11:02):
we joke now that when we'd walk down the hall man,
we would clear the We'd clear the hallway because nobody
wanted to be seen talking to it because they were
afraid their buildings. My builds are going to get killed
if I'm seen talking to you know, dolaz alar Beach
or Jones. I'm you know, I'm going to be you know,
I'm going to be screwed in the legislative process. And
so we were, we were outcasts, but that was with
(11:25):
the political class. But I've always kind of been an
outcast with the political class. The very first GOP meeting
that I went to after the twenty twenty election in
my home county that I represent, the GOP meets in
this little retail store and usually there's fifty people that
show up. They had to meet in the parking lot
and it's one of these two story retail building kind
of deals, and people had to go up to the balcony,
(11:47):
were hanging off the balcony because about five hundred people
showed up that day, Oh my gosh, And it was
the most energized I've seen our base. People recognized that
something was taken from them, and they were angry and
they were looking for fighters. And so that really galvanized
the things I would go on to do, which was
to be one of the first four elected officials in
(12:08):
the state to call for a special session of the
General Assembly, because David, you've got to remember what was
going on. This is COVID, and we were under an
emergency order. In the emergency order, which the legislature essentially
cedes all of their power to the executive branch. In
the executive branch in the case of elections, is Brad Raffinsburg,
our secretary of State. Well, he took that executive power
(12:32):
and he invented election law. He put drop boxes everywhere.
Drop boxes were nowhere envisioned in the statute in Georgia code.
He sent six point three million absentee ballot request forms
to every registered voter and put a first class stamp
on it. And the first class stamp is significant because
(12:54):
if you file a national change of address form, So
if you moved to Louisiana and you say, all right,
Post Office, here's my national change of address form, forward
all in my first class mail to Louisiana. Well, we
know that in Fulton County alone, thirty nine thousand people
had their mail forwarded to a different state or a
different county. And Raffisberger sent all those people absentee ballot
(13:17):
request forms, and tens of thousands of them voted, and
in many cases they voted illegally.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
And the key for all the audience who's listening right now,
you have to realize that Georgia was won by eleven
thousand votes. Like that's the kicker, right. It was in
the smallest margin in the country by far. I mean,
it was unbelievable. So I can only imagine, you know
you're witnessing all this, when did it become solidified in
(13:49):
your mind that you saw whatever conclusive evidence. I mean,
I know Garland Favorrito immediately started doing the research. We
had him on after the FBI raid on the the
where the warehouse where the all the ballots were still
or sees, and we you know, his timeline is really clear.
(14:13):
What point did you see a piece of evidence that
really gave you the conviction?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
When I signed my own absentee ballot request form with
a signature that no way, shape or form matched my
actual signature. So other words, I tested the system and
I got my ballot. That's when I knew that that
the signature match was not happening because in my county,
my county's are Red County, my county runs elections. Well,
(14:43):
so I'm like, if this is happening in my county Fulton,
de cab Cobb, you know these other larger metro counties
certainly have to be a disaster. And so then I
had friends, yeah, who had their kids signed their absentee
ballot request form and next thing you know, the ballot
comes in. I had people botch their signatures in multiple counties, Cherokee, Gwinett.
They all tested the system, and David in every single case,
(15:07):
all of us got our ballots back. And that was
in the runoff election and That's when I knew that
the system was broken, and that's when we we had
already called for the special session by that point in time,
but that's when we really doubled down on trying to
get it trying to get it done.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Awesome. I thank you for describing that, because I think
that's the real kicker for a lot of people that
they're going through that process now, right, because you know,
the I think starting with COVID, the ability to manipulate
information in the flow of information was at an all
time high. We saw that with the Twitter files. We
saw it. I mean, I got locked out of social media,
(15:44):
you know. And and I wasn't even political back then, man,
I didn't. I was a motivational guy, and you know,
and I got shut down because I had, you know,
during the BLM riots. I'm trying to be like everybody,
calm down, man, Let's just let's see what the facts
are and then we can argue the facts. And for me,
it was you know, the twenty nineteen FBI statistics saying
that only what it was like nineteen or twenty some
(16:06):
odd unarmed black men had been shot by white police officers, right,
And I put that on Facebook and it turned into
a five thousand comment argument, you know, and I'm like,
what the hell's going on? And you could just see
the coordination of the information and how it attacked people
who brought those questions up in any case, and we
(16:29):
saw it, I think most egregiously with the January sixth
and what took place when you have you know, Grandma's
who you know, were waved into the capital and you know,
never went outside the you know, the ropes and the rotunda,
and they're doing hard time and solitary confinement, you know,
with the eighteen hundred people they rounded up. I was like,
(16:50):
all right, that's the deal. And now they're painting us
as domestic terrorists and I was like, okay, this is
bigger than anything I've ever seen. And man, I worked
for the CIA, so I've seen some crazy shit it right,
So the reality is now, you know, so when what
happened next? Did you start working with any outside experts?
(17:11):
When it because I've seen you, you know, you've had
one bill passed and that was Senate Bill one eight nine.
Maybe you could tell us the story of how the
coordination effort to get to start to get towards legislation
and then just let's go into some of the bills
you've put forward, because man, these are significant and they
really mimic what I think we're trying to get done
(17:33):
at a federal level as well too, which is really cool.
So yeah, maybe if you could give that narrative for us.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, I mean, I can't really accurately describe, and it's
impossible for me to even overstate the amount of pressure
that we were under in Georgia after the twenty twenty election.
And I had the same conversation with my constituents basically
from eight o'clock in the morning till six o'clock at night,
for days and days and days and weeks on end.
(18:01):
And so I went back that next session with a
very very clear mandate in my mind, and that mandate
was unlike any mandate I have had since I've been elected,
and that was to fix the election system. And so
we passed a number of omnibus bills out of the Senate,
and some of them were more comprehensive than even what
ultimately passed, which was Senate Bill two oh two, the
(18:21):
very first bill that we voted on, frankly, did what
we should have done, and we should have had the
backbone to push it all the way through to the
finish line, which was to get rid of no excuse
absentee voting, and because the mail in voting and ultimately
the I should say, we voted to get rid of
all of the mail in voting and the no excuse
(18:42):
absentee voting is a separate piece. But the mail in
voting is where the bulk of your fraud happens. It's
a lot harder to commit election fraud if you have
to walk into a polling place and show your ID.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
It's possible, but it's.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Certainly it limits your attack vectors for sure of what
you can the system can handle. So we passed that
bill to the House, never got out of the House,
but we ultimately passed sen It Bill two O two,
which which is what Joe Biden and Stacey Abrams called
Jim Crow two point zero.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I remember that it was unbelievable. Meanwhile, this is the
same person in terms of Stacy saying that her last
election was completely fraudulent, and it's just it's it's mind
boggling to see the narratives. Right, Well, they always clean.
Jasmine Crockett this week cleaned in the election. I'm waiting
for Dan Crenshaw to say the same thing, you know,
(19:33):
So anyways, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, So we passed a number of provisions. So for example,
I told you that I was signing my signature to
get my absentee ballot. You no longer do that in George.
You have to provide photo identification. So we moved the
needle significantly on some key election security measures. But I
will have a bill on the floor of the Senate
tomorrow actually to move us to a hand to mark
(19:56):
paper ballot voting system. And this is the fourth bill
of that kind that I have co sponsored, and this
is the first one that I've drafted myself, and this
one that I've drafted myself along with Garland. Had to
input on this bill, and a number of people that
have really dug into the details of this have helped
me put this together. When I say I wrote it myself,
what I mean is I'm the top number one sponsor, right,
(20:19):
And so I've got that bill out of committee. It
will go to the floor of the Senate tomorrow and
then hopefully get us off of the dominion voting machines
by the November election. Because we actually we passed a
bill you mentioned, Senate Bill one eighty nine. We passed
it two years ago, which essentially says that we're no
longer going to vote by QR code. Right, So, right now,
(20:40):
what happens for those of your listeners that are not
in Georgia. We go to a touch screen, we vote
our ballot, We get a printed ballot that then gets scanned.
But what gets scanned is a QR code, not the
actual optical characters that are that are visible on the ballot. Right,
So if I vote for Donald Trump and it says
Donald Trump at the bottom, the machine doesn't scan the bottom,
(21:03):
it scans this QR code. Well, in twenty twenty two, Scissor,
which is the Cyber Intelligence Security Administration Division, which is
which sits under the Department of Homeland Security at the
federal level, they identified nine known vulnerabilities in the Dominion
software version five point five A right, and they spell
(21:24):
out what all nine of these vulnerabilities are, some of
which will allow the flipping of votes in the QR code.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
That now, not only is that vulnerability there, but David,
think about this. Now that vulnerability is numbered on the
internet for every bad actor to have access to and
we're still using the same software version. The very first
recommendation that Sissa gives in that report is to contact
Dominion voting systems about a patch or a software update.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
And we're running five point five A.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
They had released five point five C, five point five D,
five point seventeen. They're now on five point twenty and
George's using five point five A.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And the reason why I've been told that they keep
you know, they're at this insanely so that all of
the data specialists. I interviewed this guy from Colorado who
was just off the chart. He was a former military analyst,
you know, like in the numbers type of the guy,
a logistics guy, and he was saying, you know that
they're in this race to just keep updating the operating
(22:30):
system so that the people who are monitoring they can
continue to cover their tracks, you know, as fast as
they can. Like you know, it's like one of those
adaptive encryption systems that as soon as the hit hits it,
it adapts and fixes that hole, right, And those are
probes into the feasibility of it being hacked or uploaded
(22:53):
or outsource or whatever you know that's going on with them.
That's that's increading. What is the response, What is the
where are you pushback on the attacks? Not the you know,
you could call them attacks on the voting, the electronic
voting systems. I think everybody gets the ballots were a
derivative of COVID, right, and so people are going to
(23:16):
be forced to go back to the ballots. I think
people are going to hold on with tooth and nail
for the hand ballots till they die. That's the hill
they're going to die on. But it's certainly the unbelievably
unrestrained absentee and then the drop boxes. That's an easy one.
But the other stuff is the election stuff. And that's
the place where I see politicians on both sides really
(23:40):
kind of you know, toe in the line. Because when
you look at the cases brought against what Fox that
they settled seven hundred and forty billion, You look at Juliani's,
you look at Mike Lindell, it'say man. They had, they
had Mark Lias and the crew man. They had the
funding to go after people in ways that even if
(24:01):
they didn't win, they were going to decapitate them financially. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I mean one other thing that I did here in
the state Senate was I formed the Senate Special Committee
on Investigations by resolution. So after Willis indicted President Trump
in the eighteen others, everybody's like, what do we do?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
What do we do? And kind of the prevailing.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Wisdom down here as well, just let it work its
way through the court system.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I'm like, that's not good enough for me. That's not
good enough for me.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
So I began to work with our lawyers down here
and just kind of investigate what could be done. And
the Georgia Constitution actually gives the same authority to investigate
the affairs of the state to the legislature as it
does the attorney general. Oh wow, And our attorney general
was not doing anything, And so I wrote a resolution
that said, we're going to form a committee. We're going
to give it subpoena power, We're going to give it
(24:48):
the ability to swear witnesses in under oath, which at
our state level is not something that we ever do.
And we did, and we fought, we fought Fannie Willis
in court for a year and a half. Finally got
her to come up peer on December seventeenth of last year.
And what we discovered in that hearing was shocking. We
discovered the coordination with the jan sixth Committee. We discovered
(25:10):
the coordination with the White House, but she of course
doesn't remember anything. And Nathan Wade, who was her paramore,
who was conducting all of the work for her, in
his congressional testimony, he also said, yeah, I know I
build for conversations with the jan sixth Committee, but I
don't remember who I met with or on the eight
hour meeting. I have no idea who was there, and
(25:30):
I don't know what we talked about. I know the
same day that Jack Smith was appointed by the White
House that I was on a phone call with the
White House for eight hours, but I have no idea
who I was on the phone with, and I don't
know what we talked about. That's the same day, by
the way, that Michael Colangelo left as the number three
guy at DJ and went down there and went to
New York to help Alvin Bragg.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
So that was the piece for me that really was like, oh,
this is all coordinated.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
When I mean, who's leaving as the number three guy
at DJ to go work a buddy city DA's office.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Nobody, unless you've got your March in orders with I
mean and I and I genuinely believe that they've been
building this law fair program, you know, as far back
as you can think, really probably the eighth nine now
went to Obama administration, and that's when you you know,
the norm Eismans and the mark Eliases came in and
you know a lot of the Clinton support groups that
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really started to craft how they were going to do
this back then. So did you as as now you're
you're gaining steam, where did you see the attacks start
coming from.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
At you, from with with within my own party?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I mean, so even in the embryonic stages, it was
the you know, the leadership of the Senate, led by
the lieutenant governor who now is running for governor in
Georgia as a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You can't make this up.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
So they were the ones that dropped the hammer on
us initially. But then we just kind of the real
work just kind of died, the slow death of delay, right,
so we'd move their bills. It would die maybe in
the Senate, maybe it would die in the House. And
this is an issue that frankly a lot of people
are afraid of in some capacity. But there's a lot
(27:15):
of elected officials down here who quite honestly think that
the people that have questions about the twenty twenty election,
or they call them, quote the crazies, right crazy, And
so you'll hear, well, the craziest think this, and the
craziest think that, And you know, I think that. There
obviously are varying degrees of things that I think did
and did not happen. But what I do know is
(27:37):
that the system is fundamentally flawed. You've got when you've
got software that can be identified by Homeland Security is
being vulnerable and then it's going to take you months
to update the software. According to your own Secretary of State,
that's not a system you should be using. It's just
you should move yourself off of that system and go analog.
If digital is inherently susceptible to attack, which it is,
(28:01):
then you move to an analog system. And so that's
what we're looking to do with the bill that I've gotten, frankly,
what we've been trying to do for a couple of
years and just haven't been able to get it all
the way across the finish line yet.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Okay, well, you know, and obviously you're you're you're, you're, you're.
This is not just a regional or even state fight
because the people that are fighting against you are well
funded from external groups. We are we know now the
breakdown of all the different NGOs where they've been getting
(28:31):
money and how they're going after these elections systems. And
I think, you know, if you really get into uh
you know, some of what Mike bends, the research he's
done online and where we see how USAID funded Uh, uh,
what is it all the different programs to enhance democracy
overseas and all these different places where we went and
(28:55):
started influencing elections and convinced them and actually paid for
them to have electronic voting machines, and you know, and
really started to architect to enhance the architecture of this
type of game now being happening in the United States.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
You know, it's like that's a powerful thing. So why
would you ever want to now move up in the rankings?
Why would you ever want to take the bigger fight? Right? Obviously,
you know before you answer that question, did you ever
have a one on one with camp or Rathmsburger.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Not a one on one with Raffensburger, but Bert Jones
and I the Lieutenant Governor, and a couple of members
of leadership as we were pushing to update from five
point five A. When these vulnerabilities essentially were exposed, we
not only had one on one meetings with the Secretary,
but we actually had meetings with Dominion themselves and we
were so I'm in my in my real life, This
(29:55):
state center of things a part time deal. I'm in
the software development business and we've I've only Toechnology company
with my partners for twenty plus years. And when we
talked to the Dominion team about their lack of white
hat testing and we talked to them about their testing
procedures and protocols, it was shocking, like it was shocking.
And I don't run mission we don't write mission critical
(30:17):
software per se. But we write video presentation software that's
used to run displays at the NFL Draft and the Olympics,
in the United States Congress, and so we've got to
get it right. And so I know the QA team
and the amount of testing that our team does, and
when I compared that to the answers that I got
when I was asking questions of Dominion, it was pretty shocking.
(30:39):
And you know, we're Dominion's largest customer here in Georgia.
We're the only state that uses them statewide. And when
they released version five seventeen of the software, their testing
process was so inadequate that they realized that the no
Wink pull pads, which is the check in pad that
we use that gives you the card that you put
in the Dominion machine, wasn't compatible with the newest software.
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I'm like, guys, how in the world does that happen?
And what testing environment are you not testing compatibility for
your largest customer, your only statewide customer, Like that's the
one you got to make happy. And so I think
that some of this just falls to straight and competence,
you know, more so perhaps than even nefarious actors. Some
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of this stuff is just a low bar that was set.
But yes, we met with the secretary. He and I
are somewhat at odds publicly because I continue to ask
questions even this year in the appropriations hearings, I asked
questions about his preparation for the twenty twenty sixth election,
because he's under a legal mandate to not use the
(31:46):
QR code, And I said, what are your plans? How
are we going to vote? In November, and the answer was,
there is no plan and we don't know what's going
to happen. I'm like, sir, it's January, like we got
to get this rolled out. And so I think probably
the days of the one on one meetings are over.
He's actually running for governor here in the state of Georgia.
(32:06):
I know so, but yes, I have had one on
one meetings.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Okay, all right, So then the next question then becomes,
all right, why would you ever want to move up
in the ranks and take the fight at a higher level.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Now I have a core conviction that we're in a
fight to save the West, So thank you. I was
thinking about running for the seat for a while, but
ultimately made my decision to do it on September tenth,
and when I watched Charlie Kirk get assassinated essentially live
on Twitter, I went home and told my our two
oldest kids, who are eleven and thirteen, about what they
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would see, talk to them, and then talk to my wife.
And the conviction for me was that that day was
an unveiling moment, and it revealed to me that the
fight is not left versus dark, And I'm sorry I
left versus right anymore.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
The fight is now light versus dark.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
And of course, in the days preceding Charlie's death, we
began to hear, you know, all of the left kind
of put out, you know, supposedly the most controversial things
that he had said, and in context, I have yet
to hear him say anything I disagree with. And so
the fact that someone would put a bullet through his
vocal cords because of what he said, knowing that it's
(33:22):
exactly what I believe, I'm like, man, I've got to
double down on being bold. And I knew the guys
that are running for lieutenant governor because they're all friends
of mine, and none of them are bad human beings.
But I'm not convinced they're going to be as bold
as we need to be to save America. And I've
served with them and i've you know, they're not bad guys,
(33:43):
and some of them are conservative, but it's not just
being conservative because I went through twenty twenty with every
one of them in the Senate. All the guys in
the Senate were in the Senate at the time, and
not one of them stood with us and called for
a special session, and not one of them stood with
us at the press conference. And so it's not always
a question of ideological worldview and what do you believe?
(34:06):
And oftentimes more so the question is will you have
the guts to stand up when it really matters? Are
you going to run fifty political calculations in your head
before you make a decision and decide, Well, the safer
thing to do is to kind of hide under my
desk and I'll come back up when the smoke clears.
And so, given where Georgia is, and David, if you
(34:27):
think about this, Georgia is ground zero for the fight
to save America. Control of the United States Senate this
year probably comes through.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Georgia one hundred percent. It does.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
The twenty twenty eight presidential election comes through Georgia one
hundred percent. And so for me, we've got to have
leaders that put free market principles, capitalism, love of country, founding,
small government principles on display. And I believe that when
we do that, we can win elections in this state
(34:57):
by wide margins, because the other side crazy and we
may not be perfect, but we're not crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
We don't want to have men competing against our daughters
and sharing locker rooms with them in sports.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
We don't want to.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
You know, the big controversy here in the state legislature
last year was we passed a bill to ban taxpayer
funded transgender surgery for prisoners, and the Democrats walked out
of the House chamber and protest over that vote. It's
the only prot it's the only vote they protested. Only
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thing they got up and walked out over, and it
was taxpayer funded transgender surgeries for people who are locked
up in prison. And so this is not you know,
this is not even Jimmy Carter's Democrat party. And no,
this has done records. This is this is unrecognized.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Well, it's it's not if you know history, right, If
you if you know history, it's it's obvious what it
is right and whether you want to call it Marxism
or American socialism or whatever it is, it is what
it is right. That it is what it is? All right? Okay,
So is there ten thousand doors in your future in
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this election cycle?
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Different animal man?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
This this game is I've got to raise money and
we've got to be on television. It's a messaging campaign
and not a shoe leather campaign. So I actually stayed
in the Senate, which puts me in a disadvantage because
I can't raise money while we're in session. One of
the guys is running that was in the Senate decided
to drop out so that he could campaign full time
and raise money. But you know, I looked at the
(36:35):
work that was still left to be done. I'm like,
I can't leave, and so this session alone, you know,
the paper ballot bill is my bill. I've got to
build a ban sharia law that we hopefully will get
done passed, a bill to really regulate what we're doing
on data centers because Georgia gives one point five billion
dollars in crony capitalist tax car abouts to data centers
(36:56):
every year. And so there's a number of things that
I that I really wanted to work on and continue
to help lead on. So no ten thousand doors. But man,
I'm putting a lot of miles of the truck. I'll
tell you that it's been Yeah, I'm sure.
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bit about the Sharia law thing, because it's it's really
in the news, and there's you know, there's whether you're
in Michigan or you're in Minnesota, or you're in Texas.
Like people, the whole Sharia law thing in Texas is
getting unbelievably. I mean, there's like a new moss that
pops up. And I'm not saying that all Muslims are
are gonna move, but if they're a Muslim, there's a
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component within Islam that guides you towards Shari law. It's
a it's a it's a what a It's a Kuranic
requirement right that if you really want to be pure,
you're going to live under those contexts. But as we've seen,
and I've seen vividly, it's the most harshest way. For
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those that can't fight off the intensity of that reality,
that biblical nature, that eye for an eye, or that
that oppression that exists within it, you know, they're the
ones who suffer. I'll never forget my first my first
combat deployment, deployment over in Afghanistan. We're sitting there and
(39:37):
we're on this setup for an ambush, and all of
a sudden, these nomads come walking right through our ambush
with these you know, it's bizarre. It's like canvas. It
was like I was back in like in the fourteen hundreds.
It was weird. It was surreal. And there was you know,
four males and like probably fifteen females and then all
the little kids is down to like a four year
old was walking right, No one's on the camel and
(40:00):
I remember you could tell. I mean it was middle
of summer, one hundred and fifteen degrees out and their kids,
their kids and the young girls who are completely covered
in burkas are walking and the men they would start
to fall behind them. Men would come up and just
whip the shit out of them with a giant switch,
just beat them right and like hurry up, not like
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pick them up and carry them like we would, but
they were just whipping on them. And then would I
watched several women in burkas in downtown Cobble and other
places that I worked over the years just be brutalized
in public, and I was like, where does this come from?
And again, plenty of Christian men have been abusive to
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their families, plenty of Jews or abusive right whatever, but
like this is a dogma that you know, intensifies that
kind of rigidity that I think orchestrates a totalitarian mindset.
So what was the provocation for you to want to
fight that battle too? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I mean, we see what's happening in Dearborn, we see
what's happening in Minneapolis, we see what's happening in Plano, Texas.
And to me, this is just another one of those
preventative measures to ensure that we put up protections in
Georgia law that we need to have in place. It's
like when I passed the Rally Gains Act, right, I
wrote the Rally Gaines Act to keep men out of
women's sports and locker rooms, and every Democrat like, well,
(41:24):
is this really that big of a problem, Like, well, yeah,
Riley Gaines swam against Lea Thomas at Georgia Tech, and
that's where the whole thing happened. But setting that aside,
I want to ensure it doesn't happen to my daughters. Right,
My oldest daughter's thirteen, my youngest daughter seven. Who knows
what the world's going to look like in twelve years
when our youngest is in college? So two years yeah, yeah, right,
And so it's a similar it's similar thinking though, right,
(41:46):
we recognize. We see the Islamic Tribunal that's been set
up outside of Dallas, Texas, where they essentially create a
parallel court system that sits outside of the United States
court system, and its constitution recognizes the superior already of Sharia,
and they make these these legal decisions, these binding decisions
via arbitration that adhere to Sharia. And so that, in
(42:09):
my mind is a camel nosed under the tent. And
so you've got to ensure that you put these protections
in place. That all that the bill does, it doesn't
even mention Sharia law. It just says that we're going
to use American laws in Georgia courts. And if you
do have a tribunal system, you cannot enact any tribunal
decision to violate someone's constitutional rights. Because to your point,
you do see some of these that perhaps do violate
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the rights of women or you know, are abusive to
children in some cases. And so that's what we're looking
to do. A man kick up the hornet's nest.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Oh dude, now you've got you've got two fronts coming
at you as well too. I mean, holy cal do
you have fear? I mean, obviously you you commented about
Charlie's assassination and form. I mean, for me, that was
like this humongous Wait. You know, my best friend is
Sean Ryan and the Sean Ryan Show, and like like
(43:00):
you see this and I'm like, man, everybody's it's open
season now, you know, and not to use it. It
was a horrible thing to say about Charlie in terms
of but that's what it was. He was hunted and
he was assassinated, like you said, shot in the throat
in front of the world to shut him up, yea,
to quiet the message that was beginning to resonate across
(43:21):
millions and millions of young people, older people. I mean
I remember first time seeing him, you know, during Trump's
first term, and I was like, holy cow, this kid's sharp,
Like it just blown away by him. So, I mean,
I've been following him for a long time, but you know,
you you got to realize, like the game is changing, man.
The radicalization of the left, the radicalization of Islam, the
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radicalization of of of transgender shooters. Right, that's a real thing.
So are you are you frayed? You frayed for your family?
How are you addressing that?
Speaker 2 (43:58):
I definitely so when we got some threats when I
first went after Fannie Willis.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
We got some threats.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Just this week while I was in committee passing my
paper ballot bill, people were calling with threats to my
office here. And then, of course, you know obviously with
the with the Sharia band, we've gotten a couple a
few of those as well.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
I'm personally not afraid.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I'm content that when my day comes, it's going to
be in God's sovereignty. I certainly, though, I am afraid
from my kids. But I'll tell you a quick story.
So I left Christmas with my family early this year
to go down to Texas to help produce Passion Conference,
which is this large collegiate gathering of Christian college students
that I've been helping with for twenty plus years.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Now, Wow, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
And my mom asked my son.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
I've got one son of our four kids, and she
said his name is Lincoln. She said, Lincoln, how do
you feel about your dad running for lieutenant governor? And
he said mostly good? And she said, well, what do
you mean mostly good? And he's like, well, I'm worried
he might get shot. And she said, what do you mean?
And he said well, look at what happened to the
president and Charlie Kirk. Yeah, so that that hit me, man,
when she when she told me that, that landed pretty hard.
(45:05):
That that because he's never told me that, but when
he shared that with her, that landed pretty hard on me.
So I've had a conversation with him obviously since then.
But yeah, man, I mean I recognize that that that's
it's a it's a it's an unlikely outcome for me
because I certainly don't have the profile that that Charlie did.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
But even my very first year in the state.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Senate, I was on the committee that passed the Heartbeat
bill out it ultimately sent that bill to the floor.
Very first year, Right, I'm wet behind the ear and
know where the bathrooms are and.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
And you jump on the heavy this topic there is
for the left, right and the and the threats were
coming in and I you know, there was only there
was a three to two committee, small committee, you know,
all of us that voted for it, passed the decide,
you know, the deciding voting committee, and we walked out
in the hallway.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
We don't have security, we don't have a staff.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
I've got a half of an administrative aid that we
shared with one other senator here, and and so it's
not you know, we're walking everywhere by ourselves, right, And
so the hallways are crowded and the people start chanting shame, shame,
and they start throwing stuff. And that was one of
those moments where I'm like, Okay, I need to get
out of here. I need to keep moving and kind
(46:12):
of push through. But but yeah, it certainly is a possibility.
Trying to dwell on it, but it's it's sad knowing
that my kids think about it.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Well, I just think, you know that the people I
know that are out there trying to bring that light
to expose the dark, who are facing the fire man,
they all say the same thing, that my faith in
Christ is what's going to protect me, regardless of any
physical damage or hurt that I can experience, you know,
(46:43):
in my as long as I can articulate at ley
that conviction to my children, then if I do die right,
they'll know I died for something right. And that lesson
in and of itself, although tragic in its totality, right,
really it inspires not only your family, but your friends,
(47:05):
everybody who's watching you on TV. I mean, you're you're
you're ripping into Fanny on that that house floor that
went viral. Man, I was like, it's all fired up
for you. So okay, so uh well and two things,
last thing, what do you want to tell Georgia voters? Like?
What is you know? And I know that's impossible to
(47:27):
encapsulate in a few minutes, but obviously what do you
want to tell him about you? And then what do
you want to tell him about what you're going to
do for them?
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Yeah, I mean about me.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
I would just say, look, I'm a fighter, I'm America first,
Georgia first.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Have the record to prove it.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Every objective scorecard says that I'm the most conservative guy
running this race. The cool thing is all of us
have a voting record, and it doesn't matter what you
say on a campaign trail. What matters is what you
do when the rubber meets the road and how do
you vote? And for me, the last eight years, consistently,
I've been the guy that's been leading on the hard issues,
the one who's not been afraid to stand up as
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far as what I will do for them, I will
fight for them. You know, we didn't know when we
elected Brian Kemp in twenty eighteen. We did not know
that he was going to have to reopen the state
during COVID, and that he was going to put an
executive order in place that said that my kids could
opt out of a MASK mandate. You don't run on
that platform, but you vote for the most conservative person
that you believe that can be elected, so that when
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the stuff comes their way, that's going to be difficult,
like COVID, you hope they apply the principles that they
ran on, but ultimately, you know, in terms of specific policy,
it's really simple for me. I think that we need
to cause the next generation to fall in love with
the American dream again. Yes, because absent that you will have,
(48:45):
you'll basically have Zora Mundani is a better looking Bernie
Sanders that smiles when he talks right and.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Not as slimy as good Newsom.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
It's crazy Uncle Bernie, that looks good and sounds good.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Happening is the next generation feels like they're being left
behind and the middle class is disappearing before our very eyes,
and so people are like, well, this isn't working for me.
I can't afford to buy a house until I'm forty
one years old in America. Maybe I'll try this whole
rent control thing. And so we have to restore the
American dream. We have to expand the middle class again.
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I passed a bill out of committee earlier this week
David to ban hedge funds and private equity groups from
buying thousands of homes in Georgia and turning us into
a nation of renters. Blackstone is using foreign investment money
to come into Atlanta and other investment firms, and these
investment firms are buying thirty percent of the resale homes
(49:44):
in metro Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Three years ago, I saw a piece of data, sorry
to cut you off, that said in the Atlanta area,
eighty percent of single family homes were owned by three
different companies. Is it somewhere near that? What are the numbers?
Actual numbers?
Speaker 2 (50:02):
So it's it's thirty percent of the total resale Black
Title and Investor. And it could be that eighty percent
of the thirty percent are consolidated to invitation items in
the few big players.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Got it? Got it.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
It's my opinion and my firm belief that the sovereign,
the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund and the Chinese fully recognize
that they will they will never win a war with America.
But if they can create civil unrest by purshing the
middle class and essentially stoking the winds and the flames
(50:38):
of class warfare, that you can essentially conquer America without
ever firing a shot. And if you look at the
last hundred years of this country, the entire wealth creation
mechanism for the middle class. My parents are the perfect
example of this. My mom was a public school teacher,
my dad was a paper salesman. Mom stopped working when
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she got pregnant with me, and we got by on
dad's salesman's salary, which we lived a comfortable middle class lifestyle.
Nothing extravagant, you know. We bought you know, we bought
used cars. We went out to eat less than one
time a month, but we were content. And frankly, we
didn't have the internet, so we didn't know what we
didn't have, right, But they built their well through building
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equity in their home, which they bought when they got
married in their early thirties. So they signed a thirty
year mortgage at thirty two years old, and they were
able to pay it off. And now they're living a
retirement life that in part is recognized as the equity
they built and by paying off their home. Well, if
you're buying your first house when you're forty one years
old and that's when you're signing your thirty year mortgage,
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you're not retiring at.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Sixty five at all. Yeah, so you're cooked, right.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
And so when I was growing up in the eighties,
half of men in America were married and owned a
home by the time they were thirty years old. Today
that's twelve percent. So you look at the downstream societal
implications of that. Obviously, Elon Musk would tell us we're
having far too few children and that's an existential threat
(52:09):
that he believes is facing the West as well. But
in terms of what it does social, socially and economically.
On the economic side, it's very very frightening as well.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
I tell you what, Greg you're man. You speak truth
to your words because of those deeds, because of those
ten thousand doors. Man, I just command you, thank you
so much for coming on and sharing your story. Where
can people go to follow you, follow your your journey
(52:40):
and support you and how can they pitch in to
support you in this mission of yours?
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Greg dolisol dot com and Dolizol for g A on
x d O L e z A L f O
r g A. That's where we're exposing all this this
election stuff, David on almost a weekly basis is on
the x fees.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
That's a great way, that's a great place to follow
me outstanding.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Well, Greg, here's the deal. Once you get closer, I
want to come back on. I'd love to have you
on and tell us more about the fight you're engaged in,
what you've learned so far, because I think in the
next six months we're going to see a tsunami of
new information coming out about all this election fraud, in
particular in Georgia. So thank you so much, sir, God
bless you.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
My pleasure,
What's up, team, everybody, Welcome to the show. Today, we
have an incredible guest, a man that has decided to
take on the system at the highest level by running
for Lieutenant governor of Georgia. He's been in the house
there since twenty eighteen, nineteen and really is the man
that's leading the charge and waking Georgians up about election fraud.
(00:34):
Mister Greg Dolzar, David, welcome to Yeah, welcome to the show,
my friend. Yeah, thanks for coming on. Man. When Tudor
reached out to us and was saying you were interested
in coming on and talking about this, Jordi and I
were like high five and finally a politician that's reaching
out to us who wants to get involved in this,
and we were pretty we're pretty excited to hear hear
(00:56):
your thoughts on all this. All right, you know, obviously
we can jump right in your your speech on the
floor talking about Fanny Willis and how it started the
day after Trump, you know, her coordinated coordination with the
Biden White House and Jack Smith started the day after
Trump announced he was running in twenty two. You know,
that thing went viral all over the place, and for me,
(01:18):
it was this overwhelming sense, like, oh, now, actual people
that are in seats of power are pushing back on
the reality that the elections were fraudulent. And but before
we get into that, just tell us how do you
go from being tour manager one of the biggest Christian
artists to growing up on a farm, you know, being involved,
(01:40):
you know, with your church and really just seemingly having
the ideal life and supporting your obviously your true mission,
which is to support Christ you know, and then all
of a sudden, now it's like, oh, I think I'm
going to get into Georgia politics, Like how does that happen? Man? Man?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
We were called to it, and that's that's the only
thing I can tell you. It was a wild journey,
you know, in my twenties and in my thirties I did.
I spent a decade on the road with Chris Tomlin
and it was the honor of a lifetime man. He
his career started obviously very minimally, just leading worship at churches.
I kind of came in when he started doing his
first tour and then everything exploded in an amazing way.
(02:19):
And so I had the opportunity to go around the
world with Chris Wow, did you know ten years of
touring together and I'm actually going to go help them
with this Good Friday event this year in Nashville is
something he's done every year for a decade now. So
I'm still like the old guy who they bring in
on these big events where they want to, you know,
get stuff done, stuff right.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
You're the og right man, Like nobody understands the technicalities
involved in being a tour manager and helping orchestrate those logistics, which,
in my opinion, you know, logistics in the military are
the essence of how militaries function, Logistics and businesses, you know,
but in particular as it comes to entertainment, there's so
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much that a hind being able to bring a message
out in a powerful way to the masses. And man,
just kudos Anya forgetting behind that and what you learned.
But you know, give me one story from being on
road in those ten years where you saw vividly saw
the work what he was doing in the audience or
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in a group of people or a particular person that
you're like, I know, I'm supposed to be where God
wants me.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Man, it's so hard to pick one moment.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I would say that a couple of times that we
went to Australia were really just powerful moments. We had
followed these guys that were, you know, kind of pioneers
in the worship space over there called Hillsong, and to
kind of step into their stream of what they were
doing and see what was happening over there was was amazing.
But you know, for me, going through South America saw
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Pollo was amazingly. Brazilian people are amazing and to see
them worship was just a kind of next level. And
then to go into some of the cultures where we
kind of had to go in under the radar was
you know, was interesting as well, where you know Christianity,
Christians are a minority, often persecuted people groups, and so
that was you know, that was something that was that
(04:08):
really crystallized for me how lucky I have it here
in America and something that just growing up to me
I took for granted and didn't you know ever kind
of stop and say, man, this is amazing. I get
to go to church on Sunday and I realize even
that even that is a luxury. And so you know,
when we transitioned out basically what happened, man, was my
wife and I.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Started having kids.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
We've got four kids, and Chris is like, I want
you to do this for ten more years. I've got
ten more years than me. Will you do it for
ten more years? And ironically this is ten years for
him past that point. But I'm just like, this is
a young man's game. I'm in my thirties and I
need to go home and you know, raise my family.
And so transitioned away from that and just began to
pray and think about what would be next. And I
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own a software development company that my partners and I
started twenty years ago, and so that was kind of
growing this whole time as well. So we had a
lot of moving pieces in life. But I had my
state senator decided to run for governor, and we talked
about it, we prayed about it, we got in the race,
and we just went out. I went out and knocked
on ten thousand doors. Wow, my community. And that's not
(05:12):
like pay the interns to go knock on doors that way, Well.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
You gotta do it. You gotta do it.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
My knuckles hitting the door, and what's crazy?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
David is like, to this day, eight nine years later,
people will still say, man, I remember that time you
knocked on my door. And so for all of the
guys looking to get a start in politics, to all
the ladies that think that this might be for them
as well, you got to you got to put shoe
leather on the ground and go work it.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well, what's the I mean, one of the most famous
stories of all of that type of thing is, you know,
Jack Kennedy going to the most you know, the prey,
you know, the impoverished areas of West Virginia, you know
all these different places which were entrenched in conservative Republican views, right,
(05:55):
and he just preached his case to him like, Hey,
this is who I am, this is what I'm doing.
And and I think that translates always translates into victory, right,
because when you're face to face with somebody, you know,
people's BS meter can be paying pretty quick, and and
and people that are are eking out a living every day,
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trying to pay their bills, trying to take care of
their kids and their family. When they look you in
the face, they know whether or not you're you know,
full of it, or or you're being genuine. So, man,
Kudo's anya for getting out there and doing that, did that,
did that reinforce the desire because obviously there might there
must have been some type of trepidation about wanting to
(06:37):
be a politician. I mean obviously even even in even
in localized, you know, state congressional, it's still there's still
a pretty significant game being played, right at all levels
both sides. Yeah, did that like drive you more towards
it or or what was the what was the process
(06:58):
that that? Uh? What is it? It's the you're looking
for the enlightenment, right, the thing that kind of like
when you're when you're when you get born again, right
when you get saved, it's like, oh, now, this is
what I'm supposed to do. Did you have that each
time each door you knocked on?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I will tell you that for me, as an introvert,
getting out every single day and going knocking on doors
was it was a spiritual discipline because but for just
really having to kind of both talk myself into it
and pray myself through it.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
It was not what I was comfortable doing.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
But the amazing thing was I would go home almost
every day and there would have been one conversation that
was just like, oh, that's why I'm doing this. I
remember one in particular, I walk up this driveway and
there's a lady standing in her driveway.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I start talking to this older lady.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I look over her shoulder and she's got a veteran's
license plate on her car in her garage. And I said, oh,
mam Amory, you a veteran and she said, no, my
husband is what you'd like to meet?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Him?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Said yeah, sure.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Well, she brings me in the house and introduces me
to her disabled and blind husband. And the house is
pretty disheveled. There's kind of stuff everywhere. She's doing everything
she can to take care of her husband and you know,
take care of herself. And I end up sitting with
that couple for about an hour and a half and
having the most amazing conversation. And I remember I went home.
(08:16):
I told my wife, I said, we're going to lose
this election. She said, what do you mean. I said,
the whole reason I was in this race was to
have this conversation that I had today with this couple,
and just to be able to spend time with them
because they were They told me nobody had been inside
their house for a couple of years. They didn't have
family in the area. They were just lonely, and I
get emotionally been thinking about it right now because it
(08:36):
was it was this moment where I'm like, all right,
this is why I'm doing it, And even though I
went on to win, it's still why I'm doing it,
because those are the people that don't have the voice
of the capitol right so down here, man, they're a
lobbyists all over this place. There are special interests down here.
There's backslaping politicians who kind of love the game and
love the scene. And I really don't get involved in
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that because I just I think about those people back home,
and it's like, that's my compelling why. You know, a
lot of people point to their kids as their why,
and there's a lot of that for me as well,
certainly thinking about the next generation, but I also think
about that older man, that veteran who fought and served
as country and he's handed the baton off to my
generation now, and the question becomes, what are we going
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to do about it?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
One hundred percent? So I imagine when you get in
there's a pretty steep learning curve for sure the first
couple of years. But for you, man, that learning curve
seems like it was like it was it was. It
was interstellar, right, because you all of a sudden, immediately
you're faced with the twenty twenty elections. I know a
(09:42):
lot of the country obviously as a result of J six, right,
there was enough to drive that movement up into d C.
Did you feel the sensation that something was off? Did
you get an e you know? Did you have that
or where were you when it went down?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
So I was the first elected official in the state
of Georgia to hold a press conference after the twenty
twenty election, and a couple of my senator friends came
with me and we were a group and leadership told
us not to go. We were instructed by our President
pro tem there was a bad idea to say anything
about the election. And I'm a freshman at this time,
this is my very first term, and they're like, all right,
(10:21):
Nola's all you go speak for us. So I did,
and I walked up to the microphone and called for
an audit of the election, called for a number of
steps that should be taken with an eye towards even
the January runoff election that ultimately were the elections that
installed Raphael Warnock and John Ausoff. And at that point
in time man the fire came. Leadership was angry. The
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lieutenant governor at the time walked into a meeting with
all of us and chastised us. A number of my
friends who that were in senior positions in the state
Senate were stripped of their committees, which is kind of
the conduit of influence and power in any legislature. So
we like to joke that one of the guys, actually
Bert Jaans, went on to become a lieutenant governor. And
(11:02):
we joke now that when we'd walk down the hall man,
we would clear the We'd clear the hallway because nobody
wanted to be seen talking to it because they were
afraid their buildings. My builds are going to get killed
if I'm seen talking to you know, dolaz alar Beach
or Jones. I'm you know, I'm going to be you know,
I'm going to be screwed in the legislative process. And
so we were, we were outcasts, but that was with
(11:25):
the political class. But I've always kind of been an
outcast with the political class. The very first GOP meeting
that I went to after the twenty twenty election in
my home county that I represent, the GOP meets in
this little retail store and usually there's fifty people that
show up. They had to meet in the parking lot
and it's one of these two story retail building kind
of deals, and people had to go up to the balcony,
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were hanging off the balcony because about five hundred people
showed up that day, Oh my gosh, And it was
the most energized I've seen our base. People recognized that
something was taken from them, and they were angry and
they were looking for fighters. And so that really galvanized
the things I would go on to do, which was
to be one of the first four elected officials in
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the state to call for a special session of the
General Assembly, because David, you've got to remember what was
going on. This is COVID, and we were under an
emergency order. In the emergency order, which the legislature essentially
cedes all of their power to the executive branch. In
the executive branch in the case of elections, is Brad Raffinsburg,
our secretary of State. Well, he took that executive power
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and he invented election law. He put drop boxes everywhere.
Drop boxes were nowhere envisioned in the statute in Georgia code.
He sent six point three million absentee ballot request forms
to every registered voter and put a first class stamp
on it. And the first class stamp is significant because
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if you file a national change of address form, So
if you moved to Louisiana and you say, all right,
Post Office, here's my national change of address form, forward
all in my first class mail to Louisiana. Well, we
know that in Fulton County alone, thirty nine thousand people
had their mail forwarded to a different state or a
different county. And Raffisberger sent all those people absentee ballot
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request forms, and tens of thousands of them voted, and
in many cases they voted illegally.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
And the key for all the audience who's listening right now,
you have to realize that Georgia was won by eleven
thousand votes. Like that's the kicker, right. It was in
the smallest margin in the country by far. I mean,
it was unbelievable. So I can only imagine, you know
you're witnessing all this, when did it become solidified in
(13:49):
your mind that you saw whatever conclusive evidence. I mean,
I know Garland Favorrito immediately started doing the research. We
had him on after the FBI raid on the the
where the warehouse where the all the ballots were still
or sees, and we you know, his timeline is really clear.
(14:13):
What point did you see a piece of evidence that
really gave you the conviction?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
When I signed my own absentee ballot request form with
a signature that no way, shape or form matched my
actual signature. So other words, I tested the system and
I got my ballot. That's when I knew that that
the signature match was not happening because in my county,
my county's are Red County, my county runs elections. Well,
(14:43):
so I'm like, if this is happening in my county Fulton,
de cab Cobb, you know these other larger metro counties
certainly have to be a disaster. And so then I
had friends, yeah, who had their kids signed their absentee
ballot request form and next thing you know, the ballot
comes in. I had people botch their signatures in multiple counties, Cherokee, Gwinett.
They all tested the system, and David in every single case,
(15:07):
all of us got our ballots back. And that was
in the runoff election and That's when I knew that
the system was broken, and that's when we we had
already called for the special session by that point in time,
but that's when we really doubled down on trying to
get it trying to get it done.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Awesome. I thank you for describing that, because I think
that's the real kicker for a lot of people that
they're going through that process now, right, because you know,
the I think starting with COVID, the ability to manipulate
information in the flow of information was at an all
time high. We saw that with the Twitter files. We
saw it. I mean, I got locked out of social media,
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you know. And and I wasn't even political back then, man,
I didn't. I was a motivational guy, and you know,
and I got shut down because I had, you know,
during the BLM riots. I'm trying to be like everybody,
calm down, man, Let's just let's see what the facts
are and then we can argue the facts. And for me,
it was you know, the twenty nineteen FBI statistics saying
that only what it was like nineteen or twenty some
(16:06):
odd unarmed black men had been shot by white police officers, right,
And I put that on Facebook and it turned into
a five thousand comment argument, you know, and I'm like,
what the hell's going on? And you could just see
the coordination of the information and how it attacked people
who brought those questions up in any case, and we
(16:29):
saw it, I think most egregiously with the January sixth
and what took place when you have you know, Grandma's
who you know, were waved into the capital and you know,
never went outside the you know, the ropes and the rotunda,
and they're doing hard time and solitary confinement, you know,
with the eighteen hundred people they rounded up. I was like,
(16:50):
all right, that's the deal. And now they're painting us
as domestic terrorists and I was like, okay, this is
bigger than anything I've ever seen. And man, I worked
for the CIA, so I've seen some crazy shit it right,
So the reality is now, you know, so when what
happened next? Did you start working with any outside experts?
(17:11):
When it because I've seen you, you know, you've had
one bill passed and that was Senate Bill one eight nine.
Maybe you could tell us the story of how the
coordination effort to get to start to get towards legislation
and then just let's go into some of the bills
you've put forward, because man, these are significant and they
really mimic what I think we're trying to get done
(17:33):
at a federal level as well too, which is really cool.
So yeah, maybe if you could give that narrative for us.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, I mean, I can't really accurately describe, and it's
impossible for me to even overstate the amount of pressure
that we were under in Georgia after the twenty twenty election.
And I had the same conversation with my constituents basically
from eight o'clock in the morning till six o'clock at night,
for days and days and days and weeks on end.
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And so I went back that next session with a
very very clear mandate in my mind, and that mandate
was unlike any mandate I have had since I've been elected,
and that was to fix the election system. And so
we passed a number of omnibus bills out of the Senate,
and some of them were more comprehensive than even what
ultimately passed, which was Senate Bill two oh two, the
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very first bill that we voted on, frankly, did what
we should have done, and we should have had the
backbone to push it all the way through to the
finish line, which was to get rid of no excuse
absentee voting, and because the mail in voting and ultimately
the I should say, we voted to get rid of
all of the mail in voting and the no excuse
(18:42):
absentee voting is a separate piece. But the mail in
voting is where the bulk of your fraud happens. It's
a lot harder to commit election fraud if you have
to walk into a polling place and show your ID.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
It's possible, but it's.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Certainly it limits your attack vectors for sure of what
you can the system can handle. So we passed that
bill to the House, never got out of the House,
but we ultimately passed sen It Bill two O two,
which which is what Joe Biden and Stacey Abrams called
Jim Crow two point zero.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I remember that it was unbelievable. Meanwhile, this is the
same person in terms of Stacy saying that her last
election was completely fraudulent, and it's just it's it's mind
boggling to see the narratives. Right, Well, they always clean.
Jasmine Crockett this week cleaned in the election. I'm waiting
for Dan Crenshaw to say the same thing, you know,
(19:33):
So anyways, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, So we passed a number of provisions. So for example,
I told you that I was signing my signature to
get my absentee ballot. You no longer do that in George.
You have to provide photo identification. So we moved the
needle significantly on some key election security measures. But I
will have a bill on the floor of the Senate
tomorrow actually to move us to a hand to mark
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paper ballot voting system. And this is the fourth bill
of that kind that I have co sponsored, and this
is the first one that I've drafted myself, and this
one that I've drafted myself along with Garland. Had to
input on this bill, and a number of people that
have really dug into the details of this have helped
me put this together. When I say I wrote it myself,
what I mean is I'm the top number one sponsor, right,
(20:19):
And so I've got that bill out of committee. It
will go to the floor of the Senate tomorrow and
then hopefully get us off of the dominion voting machines
by the November election. Because we actually we passed a
bill you mentioned, Senate Bill one eighty nine. We passed
it two years ago, which essentially says that we're no
longer going to vote by QR code. Right, So, right now,
(20:40):
what happens for those of your listeners that are not
in Georgia. We go to a touch screen, we vote
our ballot, We get a printed ballot that then gets scanned.
But what gets scanned is a QR code, not the
actual optical characters that are that are visible on the ballot. Right,
So if I vote for Donald Trump and it says
Donald Trump at the bottom, the machine doesn't scan the bottom,
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it scans this QR code. Well, in twenty twenty two, Scissor,
which is the Cyber Intelligence Security Administration Division, which is
which sits under the Department of Homeland Security at the
federal level, they identified nine known vulnerabilities in the Dominion
software version five point five A right, and they spell
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out what all nine of these vulnerabilities are, some of
which will allow the flipping of votes in the QR code.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
That now, not only is that vulnerability there, but David,
think about this. Now that vulnerability is numbered on the
internet for every bad actor to have access to and
we're still using the same software version. The very first
recommendation that Sissa gives in that report is to contact
Dominion voting systems about a patch or a software update.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
And we're running five point five A.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
They had released five point five C, five point five D,
five point seventeen. They're now on five point twenty and
George's using five point five A.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And the reason why I've been told that they keep
you know, they're at this insanely so that all of
the data specialists. I interviewed this guy from Colorado who
was just off the chart. He was a former military analyst,
you know, like in the numbers type of the guy,
a logistics guy, and he was saying, you know that
they're in this race to just keep updating the operating
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system so that the people who are monitoring they can
continue to cover their tracks, you know, as fast as
they can. Like you know, it's like one of those
adaptive encryption systems that as soon as the hit hits it,
it adapts and fixes that hole, right, And those are
probes into the feasibility of it being hacked or uploaded
(22:53):
or outsource or whatever you know that's going on with them.
That's that's increading. What is the response, What is the
where are you pushback on the attacks? Not the you know,
you could call them attacks on the voting, the electronic
voting systems. I think everybody gets the ballots were a
derivative of COVID, right, and so people are going to
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be forced to go back to the ballots. I think
people are going to hold on with tooth and nail
for the hand ballots till they die. That's the hill
they're going to die on. But it's certainly the unbelievably
unrestrained absentee and then the drop boxes. That's an easy one.
But the other stuff is the election stuff. And that's
the place where I see politicians on both sides really
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kind of you know, toe in the line. Because when
you look at the cases brought against what Fox that
they settled seven hundred and forty billion, You look at Juliani's,
you look at Mike Lindell, it'say man. They had, they
had Mark Lias and the crew man. They had the
funding to go after people in ways that even if
(24:01):
they didn't win, they were going to decapitate them financially. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I mean one other thing that I did here in
the state Senate was I formed the Senate Special Committee
on Investigations by resolution. So after Willis indicted President Trump
in the eighteen others, everybody's like, what do we do?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
What do we do? And kind of the prevailing.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Wisdom down here as well, just let it work its
way through the court system.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I'm like, that's not good enough for me. That's not
good enough for me.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
So I began to work with our lawyers down here
and just kind of investigate what could be done. And
the Georgia Constitution actually gives the same authority to investigate
the affairs of the state to the legislature as it
does the attorney general. Oh wow, And our attorney general
was not doing anything, And so I wrote a resolution
that said, we're going to form a committee. We're going
to give it subpoena power, We're going to give it
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the ability to swear witnesses in under oath, which at
our state level is not something that we ever do.
And we did, and we fought, we fought Fannie Willis
in court for a year and a half. Finally got
her to come up peer on December seventeenth of last year.
And what we discovered in that hearing was shocking. We
discovered the coordination with the jan sixth Committee. We discovered
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the coordination with the White House, but she of course
doesn't remember anything. And Nathan Wade, who was her paramore,
who was conducting all of the work for her, in
his congressional testimony, he also said, yeah, I know I
build for conversations with the jan sixth Committee, but I
don't remember who I met with or on the eight
hour meeting. I have no idea who was there, and
(25:30):
I don't know what we talked about. I know the
same day that Jack Smith was appointed by the White
House that I was on a phone call with the
White House for eight hours, but I have no idea
who I was on the phone with, and I don't
know what we talked about. That's the same day, by
the way, that Michael Colangelo left as the number three
guy at DJ and went down there and went to
New York to help Alvin Bragg.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
So that was the piece for me that really was like, oh,
this is all coordinated.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
When I mean, who's leaving as the number three guy
at DJ to go work a buddy city DA's office.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Nobody, unless you've got your March in orders with I
mean and I and I genuinely believe that they've been
building this law fair program, you know, as far back
as you can think, really probably the eighth nine now
went to Obama administration, and that's when you you know,
the norm Eismans and the mark Eliases came in and
you know a lot of the Clinton support groups that
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really started to craft how they were going to do
this back then. So did you as as now you're
you're gaining steam, where did you see the attacks start
coming from.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
At you, from with with within my own party?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I mean, so even in the embryonic stages, it was
the you know, the leadership of the Senate, led by
the lieutenant governor who now is running for governor in
Georgia as a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You can't make this up.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
So they were the ones that dropped the hammer on
us initially. But then we just kind of the real
work just kind of died, the slow death of delay, right,
so we'd move their bills. It would die maybe in
the Senate, maybe it would die in the House. And
this is an issue that frankly a lot of people
are afraid of in some capacity. But there's a lot
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of elected officials down here who quite honestly think that
the people that have questions about the twenty twenty election,
or they call them, quote the crazies, right crazy, And
so you'll hear, well, the craziest think this, and the
craziest think that, And you know, I think that. There
obviously are varying degrees of things that I think did
and did not happen. But what I do know is
(27:37):
that the system is fundamentally flawed. You've got when you've
got software that can be identified by Homeland Security is
being vulnerable and then it's going to take you months
to update the software. According to your own Secretary of State,
that's not a system you should be using. It's just
you should move yourself off of that system and go analog.
If digital is inherently susceptible to attack, which it is,
(28:01):
then you move to an analog system. And so that's
what we're looking to do with the bill that I've gotten, frankly,
what we've been trying to do for a couple of
years and just haven't been able to get it all
the way across the finish line yet.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Okay, well, you know, and obviously you're you're you're, you're, you're.
This is not just a regional or even state fight
because the people that are fighting against you are well
funded from external groups. We are we know now the
breakdown of all the different NGOs where they've been getting
(28:31):
money and how they're going after these elections systems. And
I think, you know, if you really get into uh
you know, some of what Mike bends, the research he's
done online and where we see how USAID funded Uh, uh,
what is it all the different programs to enhance democracy
overseas and all these different places where we went and
(28:55):
started influencing elections and convinced them and actually paid for
them to have electronic voting machines, and you know, and
really started to architect to enhance the architecture of this
type of game now being happening in the United States.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
You know, it's like that's a powerful thing. So why
would you ever want to now move up in the rankings?
Why would you ever want to take the bigger fight? Right? Obviously,
you know before you answer that question, did you ever
have a one on one with camp or Rathmsburger.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Not a one on one with Raffensburger, but Bert Jones
and I the Lieutenant Governor, and a couple of members
of leadership as we were pushing to update from five
point five A. When these vulnerabilities essentially were exposed, we
not only had one on one meetings with the Secretary,
but we actually had meetings with Dominion themselves and we
were so I'm in my in my real life, This
(29:55):
state center of things a part time deal. I'm in
the software development business and we've I've only Toechnology company
with my partners for twenty plus years. And when we
talked to the Dominion team about their lack of white
hat testing and we talked to them about their testing
procedures and protocols, it was shocking, like it was shocking.
And I don't run mission we don't write mission critical
(30:17):
software per se. But we write video presentation software that's
used to run displays at the NFL Draft and the Olympics,
in the United States Congress, and so we've got to
get it right. And so I know the QA team
and the amount of testing that our team does, and
when I compared that to the answers that I got
when I was asking questions of Dominion, it was pretty shocking.
(30:39):
And you know, we're Dominion's largest customer here in Georgia.
We're the only state that uses them statewide. And when
they released version five seventeen of the software, their testing
process was so inadequate that they realized that the no
Wink pull pads, which is the check in pad that
we use that gives you the card that you put
in the Dominion machine, wasn't compatible with the newest software.
(31:03):
I'm like, guys, how in the world does that happen?
And what testing environment are you not testing compatibility for
your largest customer, your only statewide customer, Like that's the
one you got to make happy. And so I think
that some of this just falls to straight and competence,
you know, more so perhaps than even nefarious actors. Some
(31:25):
of this stuff is just a low bar that was set.
But yes, we met with the secretary. He and I
are somewhat at odds publicly because I continue to ask
questions even this year in the appropriations hearings, I asked
questions about his preparation for the twenty twenty sixth election,
because he's under a legal mandate to not use the
(31:46):
QR code, And I said, what are your plans? How
are we going to vote? In November, and the answer was,
there is no plan and we don't know what's going
to happen. I'm like, sir, it's January, like we got
to get this rolled out. And so I think probably
the days of the one on one meetings are over.
He's actually running for governor here in the state of Georgia.
(32:06):
I know so, but yes, I have had one on
one meetings.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Okay, all right, So then the next question then becomes,
all right, why would you ever want to move up
in the ranks and take the fight at a higher level.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Now I have a core conviction that we're in a
fight to save the West, So thank you. I was
thinking about running for the seat for a while, but
ultimately made my decision to do it on September tenth,
and when I watched Charlie Kirk get assassinated essentially live
on Twitter, I went home and told my our two
oldest kids, who are eleven and thirteen, about what they
(32:42):
would see, talk to them, and then talk to my wife.
And the conviction for me was that that day was
an unveiling moment, and it revealed to me that the
fight is not left versus dark, And I'm sorry I
left versus right anymore.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
The fight is now light versus dark.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
And of course, in the days preceding Charlie's death, we
began to hear, you know, all of the left kind
of put out, you know, supposedly the most controversial things
that he had said, and in context, I have yet
to hear him say anything I disagree with. And so
the fact that someone would put a bullet through his
vocal cords because of what he said, knowing that it's
(33:22):
exactly what I believe, I'm like, man, I've got to
double down on being bold. And I knew the guys
that are running for lieutenant governor because they're all friends
of mine, and none of them are bad human beings.
But I'm not convinced they're going to be as bold
as we need to be to save America. And I've
served with them and i've you know, they're not bad guys,
(33:43):
and some of them are conservative, but it's not just
being conservative because I went through twenty twenty with every
one of them in the Senate. All the guys in
the Senate were in the Senate at the time, and
not one of them stood with us and called for
a special session, and not one of them stood with
us at the press conference. And so it's not always
a question of ideological worldview and what do you believe?
(34:06):
And oftentimes more so the question is will you have
the guts to stand up when it really matters? Are
you going to run fifty political calculations in your head
before you make a decision and decide, Well, the safer
thing to do is to kind of hide under my
desk and I'll come back up when the smoke clears.
And so, given where Georgia is, and David, if you
(34:27):
think about this, Georgia is ground zero for the fight
to save America. Control of the United States Senate this
year probably comes through.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Georgia one hundred percent. It does.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
The twenty twenty eight presidential election comes through Georgia one
hundred percent. And so for me, we've got to have
leaders that put free market principles, capitalism, love of country, founding,
small government principles on display. And I believe that when
we do that, we can win elections in this state
(34:57):
by wide margins, because the other side crazy and we
may not be perfect, but we're not crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
We don't want to have men competing against our daughters
and sharing locker rooms with them in sports.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
We don't want to.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
You know, the big controversy here in the state legislature
last year was we passed a bill to ban taxpayer
funded transgender surgery for prisoners, and the Democrats walked out
of the House chamber and protest over that vote. It's
the only prot it's the only vote they protested. Only
(35:32):
thing they got up and walked out over, and it
was taxpayer funded transgender surgeries for people who are locked
up in prison. And so this is not you know,
this is not even Jimmy Carter's Democrat party. And no,
this has done records. This is this is unrecognized.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Well, it's it's not if you know history, right, If
you if you know history, it's it's obvious what it
is right and whether you want to call it Marxism
or American socialism or whatever it is, it is what
it is right. That it is what it is? All right? Okay,
So is there ten thousand doors in your future in
(36:11):
this election cycle?
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Different animal man?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
This this game is I've got to raise money and
we've got to be on television. It's a messaging campaign
and not a shoe leather campaign. So I actually stayed
in the Senate, which puts me in a disadvantage because
I can't raise money while we're in session. One of
the guys is running that was in the Senate decided
to drop out so that he could campaign full time
and raise money. But you know, I looked at the
(36:35):
work that was still left to be done. I'm like,
I can't leave, and so this session alone, you know,
the paper ballot bill is my bill. I've got to
build a ban sharia law that we hopefully will get
done passed, a bill to really regulate what we're doing
on data centers because Georgia gives one point five billion
dollars in crony capitalist tax car abouts to data centers
(36:56):
every year. And so there's a number of things that
I that I really wanted to work on and continue
to help lead on. So no ten thousand doors. But man,
I'm putting a lot of miles of the truck. I'll
tell you that it's been Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
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bit about the Sharia law thing, because it's it's really
in the news, and there's you know, there's whether you're
in Michigan or you're in Minnesota, or you're in Texas.
Like people, the whole Sharia law thing in Texas is
getting unbelievably. I mean, there's like a new moss that
pops up. And I'm not saying that all Muslims are
are gonna move, but if they're a Muslim, there's a
(38:54):
component within Islam that guides you towards Shari law. It's
a it's a it's a what a It's a Kuranic
requirement right that if you really want to be pure,
you're going to live under those contexts. But as we've seen,
and I've seen vividly, it's the most harshest way. For
(39:15):
those that can't fight off the intensity of that reality,
that biblical nature, that eye for an eye, or that
that oppression that exists within it, you know, they're the
ones who suffer. I'll never forget my first my first
combat deployment, deployment over in Afghanistan. We're sitting there and
(39:37):
we're on this setup for an ambush, and all of
a sudden, these nomads come walking right through our ambush
with these you know, it's bizarre. It's like canvas. It
was like I was back in like in the fourteen hundreds.
It was weird. It was surreal. And there was you know,
four males and like probably fifteen females and then all
the little kids is down to like a four year
old was walking right, No one's on the camel and
(40:00):
I remember you could tell. I mean it was middle
of summer, one hundred and fifteen degrees out and their kids,
their kids and the young girls who are completely covered
in burkas are walking and the men they would start
to fall behind them. Men would come up and just
whip the shit out of them with a giant switch,
just beat them right and like hurry up, not like
(40:21):
pick them up and carry them like we would, but
they were just whipping on them. And then would I
watched several women in burkas in downtown Cobble and other
places that I worked over the years just be brutalized
in public, and I was like, where does this come from?
And again, plenty of Christian men have been abusive to
(40:43):
their families, plenty of Jews or abusive right whatever, but
like this is a dogma that you know, intensifies that
kind of rigidity that I think orchestrates a totalitarian mindset.
So what was the provocation for you to want to
fight that battle too? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I mean, we see what's happening in Dearborn, we see
what's happening in Minneapolis, we see what's happening in Plano, Texas.
And to me, this is just another one of those
preventative measures to ensure that we put up protections in
Georgia law that we need to have in place. It's
like when I passed the Rally Gains Act, right, I
wrote the Rally Gaines Act to keep men out of
women's sports and locker rooms, and every Democrat like, well,
(41:24):
is this really that big of a problem, Like, well, yeah,
Riley Gaines swam against Lea Thomas at Georgia Tech, and
that's where the whole thing happened. But setting that aside,
I want to ensure it doesn't happen to my daughters. Right,
My oldest daughter's thirteen, my youngest daughter seven. Who knows
what the world's going to look like in twelve years
when our youngest is in college? So two years yeah, yeah, right,
And so it's a similar it's similar thinking though, right,
(41:46):
we recognize. We see the Islamic Tribunal that's been set
up outside of Dallas, Texas, where they essentially create a
parallel court system that sits outside of the United States
court system, and its constitution recognizes the superior already of Sharia,
and they make these these legal decisions, these binding decisions
via arbitration that adhere to Sharia. And so that, in
(42:09):
my mind is a camel nosed under the tent. And
so you've got to ensure that you put these protections
in place. That all that the bill does, it doesn't
even mention Sharia law. It just says that we're going
to use American laws in Georgia courts. And if you
do have a tribunal system, you cannot enact any tribunal
decision to violate someone's constitutional rights. Because to your point,
you do see some of these that perhaps do violate
(42:30):
the rights of women or you know, are abusive to
children in some cases. And so that's what we're looking
to do. A man kick up the hornet's nest.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Oh dude, now you've got you've got two fronts coming
at you as well too. I mean, holy cal do
you have fear? I mean, obviously you you commented about
Charlie's assassination and form. I mean, for me, that was
like this humongous Wait. You know, my best friend is
Sean Ryan and the Sean Ryan Show, and like like
(43:00):
you see this and I'm like, man, everybody's it's open
season now, you know, and not to use it. It
was a horrible thing to say about Charlie in terms
of but that's what it was. He was hunted and
he was assassinated, like you said, shot in the throat
in front of the world to shut him up, yea,
to quiet the message that was beginning to resonate across
(43:21):
millions and millions of young people, older people. I mean
I remember first time seeing him, you know, during Trump's
first term, and I was like, holy cow, this kid's sharp,
Like it just blown away by him. So, I mean,
I've been following him for a long time, but you know,
you you got to realize, like the game is changing, man.
The radicalization of the left, the radicalization of Islam, the
(43:46):
radicalization of of of transgender shooters. Right, that's a real thing.
So are you are you frayed? You frayed for your family?
How are you addressing that?
Speaker 2 (43:58):
I definitely so when we got some threats when I
first went after Fannie Willis.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
We got some threats.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Just this week while I was in committee passing my
paper ballot bill, people were calling with threats to my
office here. And then, of course, you know obviously with
the with the Sharia band, we've gotten a couple a
few of those as well.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
I'm personally not afraid.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I'm content that when my day comes, it's going to
be in God's sovereignty. I certainly, though, I am afraid
from my kids. But I'll tell you a quick story.
So I left Christmas with my family early this year
to go down to Texas to help produce Passion Conference,
which is this large collegiate gathering of Christian college students
that I've been helping with for twenty plus years.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Now, Wow, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
And my mom asked my son.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
I've got one son of our four kids, and she
said his name is Lincoln. She said, Lincoln, how do
you feel about your dad running for lieutenant governor? And
he said mostly good? And she said, well, what do
you mean mostly good? And he's like, well, I'm worried
he might get shot. And she said, what do you mean?
And he said well, look at what happened to the
president and Charlie Kirk. Yeah, so that that hit me, man,
when she when she told me that, that landed pretty hard.
(45:05):
That that because he's never told me that, but when
he shared that with her, that landed pretty hard on me.
So I've had a conversation with him obviously since then.
But yeah, man, I mean I recognize that that that's
it's a it's a it's an unlikely outcome for me
because I certainly don't have the profile that that Charlie did.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
But even my very first year in the state.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Senate, I was on the committee that passed the Heartbeat
bill out it ultimately sent that bill to the floor.
Very first year, Right, I'm wet behind the ear and
know where the bathrooms are and.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
And you jump on the heavy this topic there is
for the left, right and the and the threats were
coming in and I you know, there was only there
was a three to two committee, small committee, you know,
all of us that voted for it, passed the decide,
you know, the deciding voting committee, and we walked out
in the hallway.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
We don't have security, we don't have a staff.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
I've got a half of an administrative aid that we
shared with one other senator here, and and so it's
not you know, we're walking everywhere by ourselves, right, And
so the hallways are crowded and the people start chanting shame, shame,
and they start throwing stuff. And that was one of
those moments where I'm like, Okay, I need to get
out of here. I need to keep moving and kind
(46:12):
of push through. But but yeah, it certainly is a possibility.
Trying to dwell on it, but it's it's sad knowing
that my kids think about it.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Well, I just think, you know that the people I
know that are out there trying to bring that light
to expose the dark, who are facing the fire man,
they all say the same thing, that my faith in
Christ is what's going to protect me, regardless of any
physical damage or hurt that I can experience, you know,
(46:43):
in my as long as I can articulate at ley
that conviction to my children, then if I do die right,
they'll know I died for something right. And that lesson
in and of itself, although tragic in its totality, right,
really it inspires not only your family, but your friends,
(47:05):
everybody who's watching you on TV. I mean, you're you're
you're ripping into Fanny on that that house floor that
went viral. Man, I was like, it's all fired up
for you. So okay, so uh well and two things,
last thing, what do you want to tell Georgia voters? Like?
What is you know? And I know that's impossible to
(47:27):
encapsulate in a few minutes, but obviously what do you
want to tell him about you? And then what do
you want to tell him about what you're going to
do for them?
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Yeah, I mean about me.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
I would just say, look, I'm a fighter, I'm America first,
Georgia first.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Have the record to prove it.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Every objective scorecard says that I'm the most conservative guy
running this race. The cool thing is all of us
have a voting record, and it doesn't matter what you
say on a campaign trail. What matters is what you
do when the rubber meets the road and how do
you vote? And for me, the last eight years, consistently,
I've been the guy that's been leading on the hard issues,
the one who's not been afraid to stand up as
(48:02):
far as what I will do for them, I will
fight for them. You know, we didn't know when we
elected Brian Kemp in twenty eighteen. We did not know
that he was going to have to reopen the state
during COVID, and that he was going to put an
executive order in place that said that my kids could
opt out of a MASK mandate. You don't run on
that platform, but you vote for the most conservative person
that you believe that can be elected, so that when
(48:23):
the stuff comes their way, that's going to be difficult,
like COVID, you hope they apply the principles that they
ran on, but ultimately, you know, in terms of specific policy,
it's really simple for me. I think that we need
to cause the next generation to fall in love with
the American dream again. Yes, because absent that you will have,
(48:45):
you'll basically have Zora Mundani is a better looking Bernie
Sanders that smiles when he talks right and.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Not as slimy as good Newsom.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
It's crazy Uncle Bernie, that looks good and sounds good.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Happening is the next generation feels like they're being left
behind and the middle class is disappearing before our very eyes,
and so people are like, well, this isn't working for me.
I can't afford to buy a house until I'm forty
one years old in America. Maybe I'll try this whole
rent control thing. And so we have to restore the
American dream. We have to expand the middle class again.
(49:23):
I passed a bill out of committee earlier this week
David to ban hedge funds and private equity groups from
buying thousands of homes in Georgia and turning us into
a nation of renters. Blackstone is using foreign investment money
to come into Atlanta and other investment firms, and these
investment firms are buying thirty percent of the resale homes
(49:44):
in metro Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Three years ago, I saw a piece of data, sorry
to cut you off, that said in the Atlanta area,
eighty percent of single family homes were owned by three
different companies. Is it somewhere near that? What are the numbers?
Actual numbers?
Speaker 2 (50:02):
So it's it's thirty percent of the total resale Black
Title and Investor. And it could be that eighty percent
of the thirty percent are consolidated to invitation items in
the few big players.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Got it? Got it.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
It's my opinion and my firm belief that the sovereign,
the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund and the Chinese fully recognize
that they will they will never win a war with America.
But if they can create civil unrest by purshing the
middle class and essentially stoking the winds and the flames
(50:38):
of class warfare, that you can essentially conquer America without
ever firing a shot. And if you look at the
last hundred years of this country, the entire wealth creation
mechanism for the middle class. My parents are the perfect
example of this. My mom was a public school teacher,
my dad was a paper salesman. Mom stopped working when
(50:58):
she got pregnant with me, and we got by on
dad's salesman's salary, which we lived a comfortable middle class lifestyle.
Nothing extravagant, you know. We bought you know, we bought
used cars. We went out to eat less than one
time a month, but we were content. And frankly, we
didn't have the internet, so we didn't know what we
didn't have, right, But they built their well through building
(51:21):
equity in their home, which they bought when they got
married in their early thirties. So they signed a thirty
year mortgage at thirty two years old, and they were
able to pay it off. And now they're living a
retirement life that in part is recognized as the equity
they built and by paying off their home. Well, if
you're buying your first house when you're forty one years
old and that's when you're signing your thirty year mortgage,
(51:42):
you're not retiring at.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Sixty five at all. Yeah, so you're cooked, right.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
And so when I was growing up in the eighties,
half of men in America were married and owned a
home by the time they were thirty years old. Today
that's twelve percent. So you look at the downstream societal
implications of that. Obviously, Elon Musk would tell us we're
having far too few children and that's an existential threat
(52:09):
that he believes is facing the West as well. But
in terms of what it does social, socially and economically.
On the economic side, it's very very frightening as well.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
I tell you what, Greg you're man. You speak truth
to your words because of those deeds, because of those
ten thousand doors. Man, I just command you, thank you
so much for coming on and sharing your story. Where
can people go to follow you, follow your your journey
(52:40):
and support you and how can they pitch in to
support you in this mission of yours?
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Greg dolisol dot com and Dolizol for g A on
x d O L e z A L f O
r g A. That's where we're exposing all this this
election stuff, David on almost a weekly basis is on
the x fees.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
That's a great way, that's a great place to follow
me outstanding.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Well, Greg, here's the deal. Once you get closer, I
want to come back on. I'd love to have you
on and tell us more about the fight you're engaged in,
what you've learned so far, because I think in the
next six months we're going to see a tsunami of
new information coming out about all this election fraud, in
particular in Georgia. So thank you so much, sir, God
bless you.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
My pleasure,
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Saskia Inwood woke up one morning, knowing her life would never be the same. The night before, she learned the unimaginable – that the husband she knew in the light of day was a different person after dark. This season unpacks Saskia’s discovery of her husband’s secret life and her fight to bring him to justice. Along the way, we expose a crime that is just coming to light. This is also a story about the myth of the “perfect victim:” who gets believed, who gets doubted, and why. We follow Saskia as she works to reclaim her body, her voice, and her life. If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, email us at betrayalpod@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram @betrayalpod and @glasspodcasts. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations, and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience, and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack.