March 6, 2026 • 27 mins
Alex Newman joins us to discuss the ongoing questions surrounding the Jeffrey Epstein case and newly examined documents. Newman shares his perspective on the complex network of financial, political, and intelligence connections that investigators and journalists continue to analyze.
The conversation explores how Epstein built his wealth, the alleged ties between finance and intelligence networks, and why many observers believe the full story has yet to be uncovered. David and Alex also discuss the challenges journalists face when investigating massive document releases and the role of media, government agencies, and international investigations.
This episode digs into the broader questions about transparency, accountability, and how complex power networks operate in the modern world.
Timestamps:
00:00 - The Rothschilds Connection With Epstein
06:18 - The Financial Story Is Bigger Than The Intelligence Story
09:32 - Searching The Files & What Alex Is Finding
13:59 - Who Can Get All The Files Released?
17:25 - Sponsor: Black Rifle Coffee
20:11 - Will We Ever Find The Full Truth On Epstein?
25:03 - Where To Learn More About Alex’s Work
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The greatest conspiracy theories in the world always leads back
to the Rothschilds. Today, my guest Alex Newman is going
to connect them in the Epstein files today on the
David Rutherford Show. Mister Newman, welcome to the show. I'm
(00:25):
just going to jump right into it. The greatest conspiracy
theories all seem to lead back to the Rothschilds in
some way, shape or form, and that was the biggest
way people would be like, you're crazy, you're out of
your mind. But the Epstein drop and you covered this
recently in your great two episodes series about the deep State.
(00:46):
I know you've been covering those for years on Liberty
Sentinel dot org. But can you please explain how the
Rosschilds in Epstein are connected.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Well, thank you very much for having me, David. It's
an honor and a pleasure to here. Really appreciated. And you
can't understand anything to do with these Epstein files if
you don't understand the Rothschild connection, which is interesting because
the fake media has talked almost nothing about this critical
connection here. So if you look through the Epstein documents
and there are still enormous numbers that we don't have.
(01:18):
There are enormous numbers of reactions that are totally inappropriate
and I would argue illegal, But based on what we
do have, one thing is one hundred percent clear. Jeffrey
Epstein was working for the Rothschilds. There is no doubt
about it. He specifically says, so the Rothschilds specifically say so.
The only individual who is alive today who's been listed
(01:39):
as a co conspirator, Les Wexner, publicly testified to that
fact just recently before Congress. He actually said that it
was the Rothschilds who recommended Epstein to him. It was
Led Rothschild And he goes into a little bit about
how that happened. And I guess for the people who
don't know the Rothschilds, and maybe that's a good place
to start.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Perfect.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
This is the most powerful banking dynasty in the history
of the world. There is no other family like it.
You know, we know about George Sorows, the evil billionaire
who funds all the radical left wing protests. George Soros
is almost entirely a creation of the Rothschild dynasty. His
Quantum Fund got its start with money from a Rothschild
bank called Bunk Clive in the French speaking part of
(02:23):
Switzerland back in the late nineteen sixties earned thousands of
percent returns. And so that's really where George Soros got
it started. The same thing was true with Cecil Rhoades.
So the Rothschild banking dynasty got it start over two
hundred years ago, Lord Mayor Amshell Rothschild had this great idea.
He had five sons. He said, hey, I'll deploy them
throughout Europe. We'll send one to London, we'll send one
(02:44):
to Paris, we'll have one in Vienna, and basically we
will create this banking network. And very quickly they figured
out that the best way to make money wasn't necessarily
the loan to productive enterprises. It was to loan money
to governments. Governments could go into a lot of debt,
they were sovereign, and they always needed money to fight wars.
(03:05):
And so you would have the Rothschild banking dynasty in
many cases funding both sides of the war, and when
the war was over, not only would they get their
money back, they would collect interest on that debt down
down the line for decades. To give you a sense
of the power of this family's it's actually a decent book.
It's written by a Rothschild apologist, so you got to
(03:26):
keep that in mind. This guy is a very pro Rothschild.
His name is Nile Ferguson. He's kind of I call
him like a court historian, an establishment historian. He argues
that in his book that the outcome of the Napoleonic Wars,
right we're talking two hundred years ago, was decided by
the Rothschild family when they decided to put most of
their financial weight behind it the British government. And so
(03:46):
you have a situation here where you have one family
deciding the outcome of a war between the two most
powerful governments in the world, and that's two hundred years ago.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
So you think that's true. It is.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I'm sorry to interrupt, but there's a piece of that
that seems to be the most heavily contested was that
they had a curry or come back from Waterloo knowing
the outcome and then cornering the markets in England. Is
that a true story and then that basically established them
as major controlling of the English monarchy?
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
There's probably some truth to it. It's hard to know
when you're dealing with a family like this. But it
is absolutely true that the Rothschild dynasty has incredible intelligence networks.
They have access to the best information. In fact, as
they brag on one of their bank websites, we've been
at the center of the world's financial markets and we
have unrivaled access to all the key play And it's true.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
It's absolutely true. And so what.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Happened with these Napoleonic wars, I think it's actually even
worse than just having good intelligence and getting the information
before everybody else and doing some sneaky things on the
stock market. I think they deliberately by putting their financial
weight behind Britain, tip the scales in that war and
ended up basically causing the defeat of the French government
in that war. They changed the outcome of history. And
(05:06):
so that's talked about in the book. So fast forward
today with Jeffrey Epstein. Right, people say, well, who was
Epstein working for? Where was he getting his money from? Well,
I think there's a lot of answers to that question,
but the one that's staring you right in the face
is the rothschilds. We've got a contract in these documents
where the Rothschild dynasty paid him twenty five million dollars
in one go for the quote unquote work with the Capitol,
(05:29):
which there's no real details on what this work entailed,
but you know something about risk assessment and.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
You know whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
But you kind of see these interactions between ari Andy Rothstyld,
the CEO of the rothschild Group, and Jeffrey Epstein, and
it goes way beyond just business, right, They're talking like
personal friends, like marriage problems and things like this. And
so when we talk about who did the Rothschilds work for, well,
what we know for sure? Or who did Jeffrey Epstein
work for? We know for sure the Rothschilds. In fact,
(06:00):
Jeffrey Epstein introduced himself in some of his emails as
a representative of the rock Way. He was writing to
Peter Field, he says, as you probably know, I'm a
representative of the Rothschilds. So it's critical for people to
understand this. And you can't figure out what was going
on with Epstein unless you get this little piece.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Well, and that's what I've been trying to do.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Obviously my background, I always like to, you know, lead
with the intelligence collect connections. And there's many theories that
he was connected to the CIA, m I six, you
know Masad, the Russians, the Saudi's, the you know, Cubans,
because he's in the brokering ideas about that, and that creates,
(06:42):
I think, this interesting pattern where people are confused by that.
They're like, well, was he an intelligence asset or was
he working independently as ie that someone that had that
type of wealth or connectivity in terms of being able
to to money launder or you know, I mean that's
(07:03):
you know, his early time with bear Stearns, his connections
than non Kushogi, you know, all these other bizarre things.
For me, the nexus of finance seems to usurp the
connections to intelligence. Is that how you read it as well?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
That's what I've been arguing for many years.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
David I did a book in twenty twenty called Deep State,
The Invisible Government by Behind the Scenes, and we have
a whole chapter in there about the intelligence agencies. They
are important players in all this, but they don't like
run the world. I think a much better way to
understand the intelligence agencies is kind of like the operational
arm doing the dirty work of what I call in
the book the deep state, behind the deep State. That
would be Rothschild's Rockefellers. And by the way, the Rockefellers
(07:44):
were all over Epstein as well. David Rockefeller invited rothschild
onto the Trilateral Commission in nineteen ninety. We've got a
lot of documents about that. He actually served. Epstein served
on the board of Rockefeller University, so he was very
close to David Rockefeller, and David Rockefeller just like the
Rothschilds held them up. But the intelligence agencies, you know,
people think of them as like agencies of government that
(08:06):
protect national security. Nothing could be further from the truth,
right I mean, I mean these are operatives for the
deep state, behind the deep state, and they use state
cover to be able to get away with things that
would be criminal activity in any other context.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And we see that with Epstein.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
He was clearly connected with the CIA, he was clearly
connected with the most In fact, when the US Attorney
Alex Acosta was going after him, he was told, Hey,
this guy's with US and Allied intelligence, leave him alone.
And that's how he ended up with a sweetheart deal
where after raping and trafficking a bunch of kids, he
played n Yeah, it's a one count of soliciting prostitution
(08:46):
from a minor so. So, yeah, intelligence is involved here,
there's no question. But Epstein and the Rothschaus, they're a
step above the intelligence agencies.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Now we obviously there.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
You know, what is it potentially six million documents that
they say, I'm trying, Like for me, I'm trying to
find a credible source that's consolidating those using AI to
where you can go in and search and go through
and pull it out, because I think some of the
obstecation that's taking place is that you flood the system.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
It's too overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
By the time that people get to it, it'll be
out of the news, will be bombing Iran or whatever
else is going to happen to distract us from the
Epstein files. How do you go about looking at these files?
Because I think that's where a lot of people are struggling.
The magnitude of information is so overwhelming they're not sure
(09:44):
where to parse out and how to kind of make
those I don't know, those silos of the unique different
aspects of his operations.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, and that is very difficult to do.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
The Department of Justice's search function is not what we
would like it to be. But I've spent a couple
weeks on this now, and I've had people on my
staff also spending an enormous amount of time on is
looking through these documents. I'm working on a cover story
right now for the New American magazine, which I actually
just sent in my first draft last night. But I've
got a lot of work to do that should be
published within the next couple of weeks here, So we're
(10:20):
spending a lot of time going through the documents. There's
no chance that we'll be able to get all of them.
We have tried to use some assistance from AI to
try to process and make sense of them. But I
think people need to understand too, this is just the
tip of the iceberg. This is Jeffrey Epstein's unclassified, unencrypted
email says this is what he had to say through Gmail. Right,
(10:41):
we don't have access to huge amounts of files that
the government is holding back. We know for a fact,
In fact, the documents talk about this that Jeffrey Epstein
ordered enormous amounts of documents and files destroyed. Somebody obviously
tipped him off before some of these raids were going
to happen, So there's enormous amounts of stuff that we
don't even have, So what we're looking at, I think
is the tip of the tip of the iceberg. But
(11:02):
even that shows you very clearly that this was a
massive operation, that there's obviously this nexus with the roth Styles,
that there's this nexus with the Rockefellers, that intelligence agencies
are involved, and I think we get a little bit
of a sense of what he was doing. One of
the things that I'm focusing on. In fact, my next
episode of Behind the Deep Day is going to focus
(11:23):
on the kind of transhumanist eugenics the science angle, and
I think that may be one of the most important stories.
Jeffrey Epstein was right in the middle of this bizarre
push to basically, these people believe they're going to take
control of evolution. They believe that using genetic engineering and
artificial intelligence and basically harvesting the genetic information from every
(11:45):
organism on this planet and mixing and matching it, that
they're going to be able to become masters of life,
that they're going to become basically like gods. And this
comes through really clearly in his conversations with Martin Novak
at Harvard University, who ran one of the most important
genetics and evolutionary operations at Harvard and in the world.
It's very clear in his communications with the folks over
(12:07):
at Arizona State University, which is run by Michael Crowe,
who of course is the chairman of ink UTELL, the
investment arm of the Intelligence Community, the CIA. You see
this in his communications with people at MIT in Columbia
and UCLA. So there's a lot of things that we're
kind of seeing the shadows of. I would like to
see more documents. I think the Department of Justice is
totally out of line redacting a lot of these names
(12:29):
that were authorized to redact the names of the victims,
not the perpetrators and his associates.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So we've got a long way to go. But even
just with what we've been able.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
To find over the last few weeks, it's clear that
this is huge and a lot more work needs to
be done. Frankly, I think by not just journalists but
criminal investigators.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I agree too, And that seems to be the problem.
I mean, as like you said, we haven't seen the
people who were the victims of the sexual abuse three
to two interviews with the FEDS, right, we haven't seen
any of the banking records because obviously, you know, when
you know shady banking transactions, the government flags those for
(13:12):
certain things, and so we we can't even and those
were I forget what other story, those became super oh
with the Bidens, right, and the Bidens there was all
these flag transactions that were coming from Barisma back in
you know, ten percent for the big guy type of thing, right,
And so we know that there's a reality that And
(13:33):
then obviously I think the ones that would be overwhelmingly
damning would be, you know, any any information that the
agency has, and obviously if he goes back to a
non Kushogi in the Iran contrast scandal, in his role
in washing money for whatever was going on, whoever he
was working for, you know, those will be in the
intelligence documents as well too. So yeah, I agree, there's
(13:56):
a tremendous uh more to this ice per or moving forward?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Do you believe that.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Massy and Roe Coon do you think they have the
political clout to get this ball to the next level
or is it going to require some type of political
pressure from the Magabase to get rid of Bondy Right,
to get rid of some of the other attorneys, or
(14:25):
maybe even people.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
The craziest one I see constantly is you got to
get Susie Wiles out of the.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Office at office, where do you Where do we go now?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
And where does the pressure come from externally that that
begins to make move the breach the walls, if you will.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
That's a good question. We're actually seeing, and this is shameful.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
We're seeing a lot more progress on accountability in Europe
than we are in the United States. And then what's
happening in Europe is nothing to write home about it. I mean,
you've had a few people resign, a couple of people
be charged criminally, and I mean that's a good start,
but that's nothing compared to what we need. So I
think a lot of the MAGA base is really disappointed
with Donald Trump, and he has this idea that he
(15:09):
could go out and shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and
all his supporters would still love him. And I think
a lot of his supporters really do love him. But
this is one of those issues that I don't think
it's going away. Like we're talking about the systematic rape
and sexual torture and abuse of children like that. That's
not something that's just like a minor political inconvenience like
this is.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It gets to the essence.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Of who we are as people, Like why do we
even have a government if we can't stop this kind
of horror against children. So I don't think Pam Bondi
is going to be able to deflect and talk about
the stock market indefinitely. Unfortunately, you know, Massey has been
the victim of some pretty ruthless smears.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I like Massy.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I think he's doing very important work, but he's really
been isolated now in the Republican Caucus in Congress, and
so that's unfortunate. But what we're seeing now is other
members of Congress also step four forward. We've had Congresswoman
Lauren Bobert, We've had Congresswoman Nancy Mayce, We've had several
of them. Congressman Tim Burchett recently came out from Tennessee
(16:11):
and explained that some of this stuff was like actually satanic.
So there are members of Congress who are interested in this,
and Frank there are some Democrats who are pushing for
this too. I think they're still hoping that there's going
to be some kind of like Trump scandal. You know,
we've done some searches on Trump we found that somebody
whose name was redacted wrote to Jeffrey Epstein and said
they were going to get rid of Trump by forcing
(16:32):
them to resign instead of doing what they did to JFK.
That's interesting. I'd like to know who said that and
how did they know? What do they know about JFK
right exactly. So there's a lot of this stuff, but
we'll see. I think, without any question, we need to
have prosecutions here. And when Pam Vondi was asked how
many people are being investigated are indicted, and she did
not have a real answer, that was very disappointing. But
(16:54):
I don't think Americans are going to let this just
pass by, and hopefully what's happened in Europe will add
some pressure to do something here in the United States.
You know what's really embarrassing, David. The United Nations, which
is about the most disgraceful criminal organization in the world,
is actually now putting out some good stuff on Epstein.
They're saying that these are crimes against humanity. We cannot
(17:15):
have impunity. These people need to be prosecuted. So when
the UN is doing more to expose Epstein associates than
your own government, you know you've got a problem.
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I mean when you just collectivize you know, yours show,
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Speaker 1 (20:16):
Is it someone like a Ken Paxton in Texas who
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don't want to lose our sec standing. Is it somebody
like a Ken Paxson or does it have to be
(20:37):
the next person, the next cowboy to come in it
has a moral stance to fight against this level corruption.
What do you where do you think the best avenue
and approach could come from?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Well, that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And I've been saying for a long time now that
if the federal government of the Department of Justice won't
do its job here, there are plenty of other jurisdictions
that have the authority, and I would argue the duty
to take the lead here. There is a nexus with
all kinds of jurisdictions. Right, Epstein was in and out
of New York. He was in and out of Florida.
He was in and out of New Mexico. Nobody has
(21:13):
searched this ten thousand acre ranch, right.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Which is the transhumanism hub, right, that's where all the
labs were.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, the New York Times had reported five or six
years ago that he had plans to impregnate twenty women
at a time and seed humanity with his dnaate like
this before the documents are even released. Are you kidding me?
Why has nobody searched this ridiculous property. There's a reference
in the documents to two dead bodies of girls buried
on this ranch. Like you would think every sheriff's department,
(21:41):
police department, state law enforcement agency would be there in
a flag.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
But no, nobody will touch this.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Why, well, maybe Governor Bill Richardson would like to answer
some of those questions, Oh my gosh, But no, we
need local district attorneys, we need state attorneys, we need
state attorneys general.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
We need all hands on deck here. He was in
and out of front right.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
We know Emanuel Macron, another Rothschild agent, is not going
to be taking the lead on any of these. But
there are law enforcement agencies all over the world that
have jurisdiction in these cases, and it is absolutely essential.
If the DOJ won't do its job, that these agencies do.
We can convene grand juries. I mean, there's a lot
of ways to get at some of these people, and
(22:22):
it's absolutely essential that we do. You know, I'm proud
of the Norwegians, right, the Norwegians just went after Torbior
and Yaglan. This guy had diplomatic community through his role
at the Council of Europe, which is kind of like
an EU style regional regime, and they actually the Norwegian
government asked the Council of Europe to please lift his
diplomatic community and he's now to be in charge with
(22:42):
very very serious crimes. It could see him go to
prison for a while. So this is what we need
to be doing. And if the DJ won't do it,
let the Norwegians do it. If the Norwegians won't do it,
let the Sheriff's department in New Mexico do it. But
we've got to get these people in for questioning and
then we need criminal charges.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
I agree with you. I think a lot of these
you could do.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
These localized municipalities, Palm Beach County Sheriffs, right, you could
do you know, the New Mexico Sheriffs.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
You could go.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Remember there was the assistant DA down in the island
of Saint John's, like the main assistant, and then she
got canned right when she was about to file something
against JP Morgan. Right, So you know there, I agree
with you. I think once it is, once you're filing, right,
what is it. It's about the ability to get past the
(23:28):
firewall into real disclosure of financial documents.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Always follow the money. Everybody knows that, and to.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Where those could start to start toppling more and more people,
to where you get to somebody who had as much
intimate understanding and knowledge of the operations right from a
financial as well as probably the network and how it worked,
and then being able to dispose that in depositions.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
I agree with you right there.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
And we use the traditional tactics. Right.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
If somebody will turn on somebody higher up, well give
them immunity.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Elon Musk pointed out that a lot of these girls
who were victimized ended up being brought in as perpetrators
as well, because that's better than any NDA. We'll offer
them immunity if they will testify if they will hand
over the documents and the information that they have. We've
got to start getting creative here. The law enforcement agencies
know how to do this. They just need to get
a backbone and do it.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
That's right, It's about the backbone. And I think that's
what we've seen now. We all figured it out in COVID,
and by the way, your work during COVID was incredible
to you know, we all figured out we're being lied
to at an epic scale. Now this confirms that the
lie is systemic, it's global, and it's at the highest
(24:43):
echelons of power. So, you know, I think all of
us that are picking at the fringes as much as
possible to kind of get the consciousness of different societies
or different large bodies of people, in particular voting blocks,
to force the people to, you know, move forward with
these types of deeper investigations. All right, Alex, what do
(25:05):
you have next coming up? And then also on this
topic as well as other topics, and then where can
people follow you find you? And then obviously I initially
wanted to bring you on because of your book you
did with Robert Borton's which was incredible about the woke
afied educational system, which dates back to communism in the
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eighteen eighties and which I'm sure there are Rothschild's connections there.
So what do you have going on that people can
can find you and follow you?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Oh well, thank you so much, Davids.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
One of the big projects, Robert Bortons and I just
released Woken Weaponized that you were. You had them on
your program recently, So thank you for that huge, huge
expose of what's going on in the government school system.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I think that's one of the most important topics right now.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I'm very blessed to serve with Robert at Classical Conversations.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
He's CEO.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I get to be a fellow and actually have my
children enrolled there. It's a great program. I've got a
big like a cover story coming out in the New
American magazine within the next few weeks here about Epstein
going through all these different angles that we talked about,
but in much more depth. People can find that at
the New American dot com. If they're not subscribers even
to the print magazine, they can at least get the
daily headlines for free, and then my personal newsletter we
(26:16):
send out two to three editions each week with the
latest and greatest information. That's at Liberty Sentinel, se N
T I n e L dot org and then on
X you know Aleximan Underscore Jou. I've got some more
books in the pipeline right now. We're doing a revised
second edition of Deep State, The Invisible Government Behind the Scenes,
working on one about American history for our two hundred
(26:37):
and fiftieth anniversary, and we'll continue on this Epstein series
for my show Behind the Deep State as long as
it takes. We're just going to keep nailing these people,
keep exposing this stuff, and we don't intend to stop
until we run out of stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So awesome, Alex. I can't thank you enough. Man.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Your work is phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Your patriotism and then your moral convictions. I think what
with or with what drive you, they drive me as well,
and I'm just uh. I wish you all the best
and bless you and your endeavors.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Thank you so much. It's a honor and a pleasure
to be here. God bless you too.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Thank you
The greatest conspiracy theories in the world always leads back
to the Rothschilds. Today, my guest Alex Newman is going
to connect them in the Epstein files today on the
David Rutherford Show. Mister Newman, welcome to the show. I'm
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just going to jump right into it. The greatest conspiracy
theories all seem to lead back to the Rothschilds in
some way, shape or form, and that was the biggest
way people would be like, you're crazy, you're out of
your mind. But the Epstein drop and you covered this
recently in your great two episodes series about the deep State.
(00:46):
I know you've been covering those for years on Liberty
Sentinel dot org. But can you please explain how the
Rosschilds in Epstein are connected.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Well, thank you very much for having me, David. It's
an honor and a pleasure to here. Really appreciated. And you
can't understand anything to do with these Epstein files if
you don't understand the Rothschild connection, which is interesting because
the fake media has talked almost nothing about this critical
connection here. So if you look through the Epstein documents
and there are still enormous numbers that we don't have.
(01:18):
There are enormous numbers of reactions that are totally inappropriate
and I would argue illegal, But based on what we
do have, one thing is one hundred percent clear. Jeffrey
Epstein was working for the Rothschilds. There is no doubt
about it. He specifically says, so the Rothschilds specifically say so.
The only individual who is alive today who's been listed
(01:39):
as a co conspirator, Les Wexner, publicly testified to that
fact just recently before Congress. He actually said that it
was the Rothschilds who recommended Epstein to him. It was
Led Rothschild And he goes into a little bit about
how that happened. And I guess for the people who
don't know the Rothschilds, and maybe that's a good place
to start.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Perfect.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
This is the most powerful banking dynasty in the history
of the world. There is no other family like it.
You know, we know about George Sorows, the evil billionaire
who funds all the radical left wing protests. George Soros
is almost entirely a creation of the Rothschild dynasty. His
Quantum Fund got its start with money from a Rothschild
bank called Bunk Clive in the French speaking part of
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Switzerland back in the late nineteen sixties earned thousands of
percent returns. And so that's really where George Soros got
it started. The same thing was true with Cecil Rhoades.
So the Rothschild banking dynasty got it start over two
hundred years ago, Lord Mayor Amshell Rothschild had this great idea.
He had five sons. He said, hey, I'll deploy them
throughout Europe. We'll send one to London, we'll send one
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to Paris, we'll have one in Vienna, and basically we
will create this banking network. And very quickly they figured
out that the best way to make money wasn't necessarily
the loan to productive enterprises. It was to loan money
to governments. Governments could go into a lot of debt,
they were sovereign, and they always needed money to fight wars.
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And so you would have the Rothschild banking dynasty in
many cases funding both sides of the war, and when
the war was over, not only would they get their
money back, they would collect interest on that debt down
down the line for decades. To give you a sense
of the power of this family's it's actually a decent book.
It's written by a Rothschild apologist, so you got to
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keep that in mind. This guy is a very pro Rothschild.
His name is Nile Ferguson. He's kind of I call
him like a court historian, an establishment historian. He argues
that in his book that the outcome of the Napoleonic Wars,
right we're talking two hundred years ago, was decided by
the Rothschild family when they decided to put most of
their financial weight behind it the British government. And so
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you have a situation here where you have one family
deciding the outcome of a war between the two most
powerful governments in the world, and that's two hundred years ago.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
So you think that's true. It is.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I'm sorry to interrupt, but there's a piece of that
that seems to be the most heavily contested was that
they had a curry or come back from Waterloo knowing
the outcome and then cornering the markets in England. Is
that a true story and then that basically established them
as major controlling of the English monarchy?
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
There's probably some truth to it. It's hard to know
when you're dealing with a family like this. But it
is absolutely true that the Rothschild dynasty has incredible intelligence networks.
They have access to the best information. In fact, as
they brag on one of their bank websites, we've been
at the center of the world's financial markets and we
have unrivaled access to all the key play And it's true.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
It's absolutely true. And so what.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Happened with these Napoleonic wars, I think it's actually even
worse than just having good intelligence and getting the information
before everybody else and doing some sneaky things on the
stock market. I think they deliberately by putting their financial
weight behind Britain, tip the scales in that war and
ended up basically causing the defeat of the French government
in that war. They changed the outcome of history. And
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so that's talked about in the book. So fast forward
today with Jeffrey Epstein. Right, people say, well, who was
Epstein working for? Where was he getting his money from? Well,
I think there's a lot of answers to that question,
but the one that's staring you right in the face
is the rothschilds. We've got a contract in these documents
where the Rothschild dynasty paid him twenty five million dollars
in one go for the quote unquote work with the Capitol,
(05:29):
which there's no real details on what this work entailed,
but you know something about risk assessment and.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
You know whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
But you kind of see these interactions between ari Andy Rothstyld,
the CEO of the rothschild Group, and Jeffrey Epstein, and
it goes way beyond just business, right, They're talking like
personal friends, like marriage problems and things like this. And
so when we talk about who did the Rothschilds work for, well,
what we know for sure? Or who did Jeffrey Epstein
work for? We know for sure the Rothschilds. In fact,
(06:00):
Jeffrey Epstein introduced himself in some of his emails as
a representative of the rock Way. He was writing to
Peter Field, he says, as you probably know, I'm a
representative of the Rothschilds. So it's critical for people to
understand this. And you can't figure out what was going
on with Epstein unless you get this little piece.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Well, and that's what I've been trying to do.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Obviously my background, I always like to, you know, lead
with the intelligence collect connections. And there's many theories that
he was connected to the CIA, m I six, you
know Masad, the Russians, the Saudi's, the you know, Cubans,
because he's in the brokering ideas about that, and that creates,
(06:42):
I think, this interesting pattern where people are confused by that.
They're like, well, was he an intelligence asset or was
he working independently as ie that someone that had that
type of wealth or connectivity in terms of being able
to to money launder or you know, I mean that's
(07:03):
you know, his early time with bear Stearns, his connections
than non Kushogi, you know, all these other bizarre things.
For me, the nexus of finance seems to usurp the
connections to intelligence. Is that how you read it as well?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
That's what I've been arguing for many years.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
David I did a book in twenty twenty called Deep State,
The Invisible Government by Behind the Scenes, and we have
a whole chapter in there about the intelligence agencies. They
are important players in all this, but they don't like
run the world. I think a much better way to
understand the intelligence agencies is kind of like the operational
arm doing the dirty work of what I call in
the book the deep state, behind the deep State. That
would be Rothschild's Rockefellers. And by the way, the Rockefellers
(07:44):
were all over Epstein as well. David Rockefeller invited rothschild
onto the Trilateral Commission in nineteen ninety. We've got a
lot of documents about that. He actually served. Epstein served
on the board of Rockefeller University, so he was very
close to David Rockefeller, and David Rockefeller just like the
Rothschilds held them up. But the intelligence agencies, you know,
people think of them as like agencies of government that
(08:06):
protect national security. Nothing could be further from the truth,
right I mean, I mean these are operatives for the
deep state, behind the deep state, and they use state
cover to be able to get away with things that
would be criminal activity in any other context.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And we see that with Epstein.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
He was clearly connected with the CIA, he was clearly
connected with the most In fact, when the US Attorney
Alex Acosta was going after him, he was told, Hey,
this guy's with US and Allied intelligence, leave him alone.
And that's how he ended up with a sweetheart deal
where after raping and trafficking a bunch of kids, he
played n Yeah, it's a one count of soliciting prostitution
(08:46):
from a minor so. So, yeah, intelligence is involved here,
there's no question. But Epstein and the Rothschaus, they're a
step above the intelligence agencies.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Now we obviously there.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
You know, what is it potentially six million documents that
they say, I'm trying, Like for me, I'm trying to
find a credible source that's consolidating those using AI to
where you can go in and search and go through
and pull it out, because I think some of the
obstecation that's taking place is that you flood the system.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
It's too overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
By the time that people get to it, it'll be
out of the news, will be bombing Iran or whatever
else is going to happen to distract us from the
Epstein files. How do you go about looking at these files?
Because I think that's where a lot of people are struggling.
The magnitude of information is so overwhelming they're not sure
(09:44):
where to parse out and how to kind of make
those I don't know, those silos of the unique different
aspects of his operations.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, and that is very difficult to do.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
The Department of Justice's search function is not what we
would like it to be. But I've spent a couple
weeks on this now, and I've had people on my
staff also spending an enormous amount of time on is
looking through these documents. I'm working on a cover story
right now for the New American magazine, which I actually
just sent in my first draft last night. But I've
got a lot of work to do that should be
published within the next couple of weeks here, So we're
(10:20):
spending a lot of time going through the documents. There's
no chance that we'll be able to get all of them.
We have tried to use some assistance from AI to
try to process and make sense of them. But I
think people need to understand too, this is just the
tip of the iceberg. This is Jeffrey Epstein's unclassified, unencrypted
email says this is what he had to say through Gmail. Right,
(10:41):
we don't have access to huge amounts of files that
the government is holding back. We know for a fact,
In fact, the documents talk about this that Jeffrey Epstein
ordered enormous amounts of documents and files destroyed. Somebody obviously
tipped him off before some of these raids were going
to happen, So there's enormous amounts of stuff that we
don't even have, So what we're looking at, I think
is the tip of the tip of the iceberg. But
(11:02):
even that shows you very clearly that this was a
massive operation, that there's obviously this nexus with the roth Styles,
that there's this nexus with the Rockefellers, that intelligence agencies
are involved, and I think we get a little bit
of a sense of what he was doing. One of
the things that I'm focusing on. In fact, my next
episode of Behind the Deep Day is going to focus
(11:23):
on the kind of transhumanist eugenics the science angle, and
I think that may be one of the most important stories.
Jeffrey Epstein was right in the middle of this bizarre
push to basically, these people believe they're going to take
control of evolution. They believe that using genetic engineering and
artificial intelligence and basically harvesting the genetic information from every
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organism on this planet and mixing and matching it, that
they're going to be able to become masters of life,
that they're going to become basically like gods. And this
comes through really clearly in his conversations with Martin Novak
at Harvard University, who ran one of the most important
genetics and evolutionary operations at Harvard and in the world.
It's very clear in his communications with the folks over
(12:07):
at Arizona State University, which is run by Michael Crowe,
who of course is the chairman of ink UTELL, the
investment arm of the Intelligence Community, the CIA. You see
this in his communications with people at MIT in Columbia
and UCLA. So there's a lot of things that we're
kind of seeing the shadows of. I would like to
see more documents. I think the Department of Justice is
totally out of line redacting a lot of these names
(12:29):
that were authorized to redact the names of the victims,
not the perpetrators and his associates.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So we've got a long way to go. But even
just with what we've been able.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
To find over the last few weeks, it's clear that
this is huge and a lot more work needs to
be done. Frankly, I think by not just journalists but
criminal investigators.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I agree too, And that seems to be the problem.
I mean, as like you said, we haven't seen the
people who were the victims of the sexual abuse three
to two interviews with the FEDS, right, we haven't seen
any of the banking records because obviously, you know, when
you know shady banking transactions, the government flags those for
(13:12):
certain things, and so we we can't even and those
were I forget what other story, those became super oh
with the Bidens, right, and the Bidens there was all
these flag transactions that were coming from Barisma back in
you know, ten percent for the big guy type of thing, right,
And so we know that there's a reality that And
(13:33):
then obviously I think the ones that would be overwhelmingly
damning would be, you know, any any information that the
agency has, and obviously if he goes back to a
non Kushogi in the Iran contrast scandal, in his role
in washing money for whatever was going on, whoever he
was working for, you know, those will be in the
intelligence documents as well too. So yeah, I agree, there's
(13:56):
a tremendous uh more to this ice per or moving forward?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Do you believe that.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Massy and Roe Coon do you think they have the
political clout to get this ball to the next level
or is it going to require some type of political
pressure from the Magabase to get rid of Bondy Right,
to get rid of some of the other attorneys, or
(14:25):
maybe even people.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
The craziest one I see constantly is you got to
get Susie Wiles out of the.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Office at office, where do you Where do we go now?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
And where does the pressure come from externally that that
begins to make move the breach the walls, if you will.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
That's a good question. We're actually seeing, and this is shameful.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
We're seeing a lot more progress on accountability in Europe
than we are in the United States. And then what's
happening in Europe is nothing to write home about it. I mean,
you've had a few people resign, a couple of people
be charged criminally, and I mean that's a good start,
but that's nothing compared to what we need. So I
think a lot of the MAGA base is really disappointed
with Donald Trump, and he has this idea that he
(15:09):
could go out and shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and
all his supporters would still love him. And I think
a lot of his supporters really do love him. But
this is one of those issues that I don't think
it's going away. Like we're talking about the systematic rape
and sexual torture and abuse of children like that. That's
not something that's just like a minor political inconvenience like
this is.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It gets to the essence.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Of who we are as people, Like why do we
even have a government if we can't stop this kind
of horror against children. So I don't think Pam Bondi
is going to be able to deflect and talk about
the stock market indefinitely. Unfortunately, you know, Massey has been
the victim of some pretty ruthless smears.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I like Massy.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I think he's doing very important work, but he's really
been isolated now in the Republican Caucus in Congress, and
so that's unfortunate. But what we're seeing now is other
members of Congress also step four forward. We've had Congresswoman
Lauren Bobert, We've had Congresswoman Nancy Mayce, We've had several
of them. Congressman Tim Burchett recently came out from Tennessee
(16:11):
and explained that some of this stuff was like actually satanic.
So there are members of Congress who are interested in this,
and Frank there are some Democrats who are pushing for
this too. I think they're still hoping that there's going
to be some kind of like Trump scandal. You know,
we've done some searches on Trump we found that somebody
whose name was redacted wrote to Jeffrey Epstein and said
they were going to get rid of Trump by forcing
(16:32):
them to resign instead of doing what they did to JFK.
That's interesting. I'd like to know who said that and
how did they know? What do they know about JFK
right exactly. So there's a lot of this stuff, but
we'll see. I think, without any question, we need to
have prosecutions here. And when Pam Vondi was asked how
many people are being investigated are indicted, and she did
not have a real answer, that was very disappointing. But
(16:54):
I don't think Americans are going to let this just
pass by, and hopefully what's happened in Europe will add
some pressure to do something here in the United States.
You know what's really embarrassing, David. The United Nations, which
is about the most disgraceful criminal organization in the world,
is actually now putting out some good stuff on Epstein.
They're saying that these are crimes against humanity. We cannot
(17:15):
have impunity. These people need to be prosecuted. So when
the UN is doing more to expose Epstein associates than
your own government, you know you've got a problem.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
All right.
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(19:32):
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Speaker 4 (19:36):
And now that's broken.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I mean when you just collectivize you know, yours show,
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you know, even all the other shows together at usurps
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Speaker 4 (20:12):
And so again I go back to the thing. Is
it a state?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Is it someone like a Ken Paxton in Texas who
just had a huge win against Vanguard black Rock in
State Street, right a thirty million dollars five. Vanguard's like,
all right, we don't want to play the game. We
don't want to lose our sec standing. Is it somebody
like a Ken Paxson or does it have to be
(20:37):
the next person, the next cowboy to come in it
has a moral stance to fight against this level corruption.
What do you where do you think the best avenue
and approach could come from?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Well, that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And I've been saying for a long time now that
if the federal government of the Department of Justice won't
do its job here, there are plenty of other jurisdictions
that have the authority, and I would argue the duty
to take the lead here. There is a nexus with
all kinds of jurisdictions. Right, Epstein was in and out
of New York. He was in and out of Florida.
He was in and out of New Mexico. Nobody has
(21:13):
searched this ten thousand acre ranch, right.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Which is the transhumanism hub, right, that's where all the
labs were.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, the New York Times had reported five or six
years ago that he had plans to impregnate twenty women
at a time and seed humanity with his dnaate like
this before the documents are even released. Are you kidding me?
Why has nobody searched this ridiculous property. There's a reference
in the documents to two dead bodies of girls buried
on this ranch. Like you would think every sheriff's department,
(21:41):
police department, state law enforcement agency would be there in
a flag.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
But no, nobody will touch this.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Why, well, maybe Governor Bill Richardson would like to answer
some of those questions, Oh my gosh, But no, we
need local district attorneys, we need state attorneys, we need
state attorneys general.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
We need all hands on deck here. He was in
and out of front right.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
We know Emanuel Macron, another Rothschild agent, is not going
to be taking the lead on any of these. But
there are law enforcement agencies all over the world that
have jurisdiction in these cases, and it is absolutely essential.
If the DOJ won't do its job, that these agencies do.
We can convene grand juries. I mean, there's a lot
of ways to get at some of these people, and
(22:22):
it's absolutely essential that we do. You know, I'm proud
of the Norwegians, right, the Norwegians just went after Torbior
and Yaglan. This guy had diplomatic community through his role
at the Council of Europe, which is kind of like
an EU style regional regime, and they actually the Norwegian
government asked the Council of Europe to please lift his
diplomatic community and he's now to be in charge with
(22:42):
very very serious crimes. It could see him go to
prison for a while. So this is what we need
to be doing. And if the DJ won't do it,
let the Norwegians do it. If the Norwegians won't do it,
let the Sheriff's department in New Mexico do it. But
we've got to get these people in for questioning and
then we need criminal charges.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
I agree with you. I think a lot of these
you could do.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
These localized municipalities, Palm Beach County Sheriffs, right, you could
do you know, the New Mexico Sheriffs.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
You could go.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Remember there was the assistant DA down in the island
of Saint John's, like the main assistant, and then she
got canned right when she was about to file something
against JP Morgan. Right, So you know there, I agree
with you. I think once it is, once you're filing, right,
what is it. It's about the ability to get past the
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firewall into real disclosure of financial documents.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Always follow the money. Everybody knows that, and to.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Where those could start to start toppling more and more people,
to where you get to somebody who had as much
intimate understanding and knowledge of the operations right from a
financial as well as probably the network and how it worked,
and then being able to dispose that in depositions.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
I agree with you right there.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
And we use the traditional tactics. Right.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
If somebody will turn on somebody higher up, well give
them immunity.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Elon Musk pointed out that a lot of these girls
who were victimized ended up being brought in as perpetrators
as well, because that's better than any NDA. We'll offer
them immunity if they will testify if they will hand
over the documents and the information that they have. We've
got to start getting creative here. The law enforcement agencies
know how to do this. They just need to get
a backbone and do it.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
That's right, It's about the backbone. And I think that's
what we've seen now. We all figured it out in COVID,
and by the way, your work during COVID was incredible
to you know, we all figured out we're being lied
to at an epic scale. Now this confirms that the
lie is systemic, it's global, and it's at the highest
(24:43):
echelons of power. So, you know, I think all of
us that are picking at the fringes as much as
possible to kind of get the consciousness of different societies
or different large bodies of people, in particular voting blocks,
to force the people to, you know, move forward with
these types of deeper investigations. All right, Alex, what do
(25:05):
you have next coming up? And then also on this
topic as well as other topics, and then where can
people follow you find you? And then obviously I initially
wanted to bring you on because of your book you
did with Robert Borton's which was incredible about the woke
afied educational system, which dates back to communism in the
(25:27):
eighteen eighties and which I'm sure there are Rothschild's connections there.
So what do you have going on that people can
can find you and follow you?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Oh well, thank you so much, Davids.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
One of the big projects, Robert Bortons and I just
released Woken Weaponized that you were. You had them on
your program recently, So thank you for that huge, huge
expose of what's going on in the government school system.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I think that's one of the most important topics right now.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I'm very blessed to serve with Robert at Classical Conversations.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
He's CEO.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I get to be a fellow and actually have my
children enrolled there. It's a great program. I've got a
big like a cover story coming out in the New
American magazine within the next few weeks here about Epstein
going through all these different angles that we talked about,
but in much more depth. People can find that at
the New American dot com. If they're not subscribers even
to the print magazine, they can at least get the
daily headlines for free, and then my personal newsletter we
(26:16):
send out two to three editions each week with the
latest and greatest information. That's at Liberty Sentinel, se N
T I n e L dot org and then on
X you know Aleximan Underscore Jou. I've got some more
books in the pipeline right now. We're doing a revised
second edition of Deep State, The Invisible Government Behind the Scenes,
working on one about American history for our two hundred
(26:37):
and fiftieth anniversary, and we'll continue on this Epstein series
for my show Behind the Deep State as long as
it takes. We're just going to keep nailing these people,
keep exposing this stuff, and we don't intend to stop
until we run out of stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So awesome, Alex. I can't thank you enough. Man.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Your work is phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Your patriotism and then your moral convictions. I think what
with or with what drive you, they drive me as well,
and I'm just uh. I wish you all the best
and bless you and your endeavors.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Thank you so much. It's a honor and a pleasure
to be here. God bless you too.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Thank you
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