June 3, 2026 • 36 mins
In Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts deliver a wide-ranging analysis focused primarily on breaking California primary election results, Los Angeles mayoral politics, and broader national political implications, while also diving into Supreme Court redistricting decisions and a heated critique of legacy media following a 60 Minutes controversy. This hour emphasizes real-time political developments, election integrity concerns, and shifting dynamics ahead of upcoming national elections.
The hour opens with extensive coverage of the California governor primary race and the closely watched Los Angeles mayoral contest, both of which remain unresolved due to ongoing ballot counting. Clay and Buck highlight frustration with California’s slow vote-counting process, arguing that extended timelines—potentially lasting weeks—undermine public confidence in election integrity and transparency. Despite incomplete results, the hosts note that Republican candidate Steve Hilton appears likely to advance to a runoff against Democrat Javier Becerra, while in Los Angeles, incumbent Mayor Karen Bass is expected to face a runoff, potentially against Spencer Pratt, a celebrity candidate gaining unexpected traction.
A major theme throughout Hour 1 is the political significance of these races beyond California, with the hosts framing them as a referendum on “blue state governance” versus conservative alternatives. They argue that competitive races in traditionally Democratic strongholds could influence national voter sentiment, turnout, and messaging heading into midterm and presidential election cycles. The discussion underscores how issues such as crime, homelessness, and city management in Los Angeles are resonating with voters across the country, potentially shaping electoral outcomes in swing states.
The LA mayoral race receives particularly in-depth analysis, with Spencer Pratt positioned as a symbol of outsider and celebrity-driven politics, reflecting a broader trend in modern campaigns. The hosts discuss Pratt’s messaging on homelessness and government spending, as well as his ability to generate media attention and voter engagement through authenticity and personal narrative. They contrast this with Karen Bass’s reliance on traditional political coalitions and institutional support, suggesting a clash between grassroots appeal and establishment infrastructure.
Another key topic is concern over mail-in ballots and late vote counting, with Clay and Buck warning that late-arriving ballots could still alter outcomes in tight races. This leads into a broader critique of election systems, particularly in California, where they argue prolonged counting processes create uncertainty and distrust among voters.
Beyond California, Hour 1 pivots to a significant U.S. Supreme Court decision on congressional redistricting, specifically regarding Alabama’s map. The hosts explain that the ruling could have major implications for House control and future elections, noting that similar redistricting changes in Southern states like Tennessee and Louisiana may add Republican-leaning districts. They emphasize that population shifts toward red states could reshape the Electoral College and congressional balance after the 2030 census, potentially making it more difficult for Democrats to secure a House majority under current political alignment.
The final major segment of Hour 1 transitions into a media industry critique, centering on the reported firing of a 60 Minutes correspondent Scott Pelley. Clay and Buck use the incident to argue that legacy media personalities have inflated perceptions of their influence, contrasting traditional television journalism with the modern digital, merit-based media landscape. They contend that declining trust in mainstream media and the rise of independent platforms have exposed vulnerabilities in institutions like CBS News and shows such as 60 Minutes, particularly when it comes to perceived bias and lack of accountability.
Throughout the hour, the hosts also touch on future presidential politics, mentioning figures like Gavin Newsom as potential contenders while discussing how California’s political performance could impact national ambitions. They frame the state’s elections as a potential test case for broader Democrat versus Republican policy debates heading into 2028 and beyond.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in for the Wednesday edition. Clay and Buck lots
to get into during the course of the program, but
obviously most of the attention right now is headed all
towards what is going to happen in California, and right
now it appears that Hobbier got it right that time,
(00:24):
but Sarah is going to win the premo spot potentially
in the California Governor's primary, but that Steve Hilton is
going to come in the top two, and that those
two candidates would advance to the November election. Also La Mayor,
which has gotten a tremendous amount of attention. Karen Bass,
(00:48):
the incumbent mayor, it appears, will be the front runner,
will win the primary, but not with the fifty percent
plus that she is needed to win Bob in order
to keep a runoff from happening. She is the first
incumbent mayor to advance to a runoff in I think
(01:08):
twenty years or so in Los Angeles, and Spencer Pratt
it appears, is going to advance as well. I say
a Peers Buck and I was in bed last night
clicking refresh on my phone until after one am on
the East Coast, trying to see whether we were going
to get any true resolution here.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
We still have not.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
This is a feature, not a bug, of California elections.
It now takes longer to count California elections than it
did in the nineteenth century. They are saying it might
be a week or more, potentially weeks until the full
tallies are all in and we know who is going
to advance to the runoff, irrespective of politics. This is unacceptable.
(01:58):
I'm surprised that it isn't a story. The fact that
we have allowed the largest state in the nation to
have multi week counting processes in very contested elections is
frankly unacceptable. But that is where we are. That is
why we do not know the full results. Every other
state that had a primary bit of an upset in
(02:21):
the Iowa governor's Republican primary. Otherwise most of the favorites
have won, but Buck Steve Hilton is up about two
points right now in the overall tallies, and we are
waiting to see how many more actual votes will come in.
This is just to me, it's indefensible in all respects
(02:43):
that this could be allowed to occur.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, why allow it to occur?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
We can work backwards a little bit from this, you're
I mean, we are we are asking to speak to
the manager on this one, the manager of California Elections.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I'm going to go full Karen, very justified Karen. Here,
this is this is inexcusable. But again it's a feature,
not a bug. They want this to happen.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
There is a spill in the aisle that is creating
a hazard, Sir, needs to be dealt with right away.
I think that a few things come together. One is
why have it this way? Because even if you could
assure me, and you can't, but even if one could
assure me that this is all on the up and up,
they'll eventually get to the proper result. Again, some of
(03:26):
you are already chuckling at this, but I would say
there's the confidence that is lost in the process.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Right. It has to have the appearance of propriety.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
It has to look to people like this is valid
and that stuff shenanigans, shall we say, are not occurring.
So look, we can't change this. Californians maybe could going forward,
but you and I don't have the power to wave
a magic Wand right now that all said, Clay, this
is a very encouraging result. There you go, coming in
(03:59):
with the positive side of here.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
This is I do think. I do think this is
an encouraging result. Sorry to cut you off there, but
I'm still frustrated about the fact that California has been
doing this for years now. But if we get the
results that we are trending towards right now to your point.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Well just just to to Steve Hilton versus Besserra now
and to the mayor's race for Los Angeles. I mean
the fact that this has come down to not just
a Republican and a Democrat in the two most visible races.
(04:38):
I know there's other there were state legislature and California
House seats. And sorry that's a little too local. You
know we're on, We're on in all fifty states. I
can't tell you about the all the different districts of California,
those different races and how they shook out. But I
will say Clay, the Spencer Pratt slash Steve Hilton campaigns
(05:01):
have clearly resonated, are to be taken seriously, will have
to be taken seriously by their opponents, and at a minimum,
this will be an opportunity from now into election day
for Californians but also the rest of the country to
observe what the differences in governance approach are, to observe
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the blue state versus red state model exposed and explained
for all to see and clad it's also going to
take a lot of money for Democrats to keep these
to keep these important races in their hands, and maybe
they lose. I mean, if I if I'm looking at this,
then I'm on the Hilton or pract campaigns. I feel
very good about the results yesterday. Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
And regardless of what ends up happening in the LA
mayor's race or the California governor's race, they're such big
central campaigns that they may even motivate turnout, certainly down
ballot in California for the relatively few Republican potentially winnable
congressional seats after they have redistricted in California, but more importantly,
(06:12):
potentially they could also help to drive overall turnout in
the midterms. As people out there are hearing these arguments
and the frustration of LA being incompetent, it resonates right.
The reality is the frustrations that people deal with in LA, Chicago,
(06:32):
New York City, Washington, d C. They resonate even in
places where I live, in Nashville, Miami, where you live,
those races are so big and there's so many people
that are connected to them that even what happens in
the LA mayors race might have an impact in terms
of the way people feel the way they vote in
Arizona or Nevada or Texas or any other number of
(06:55):
states out there.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Well, I'll tell you somebody else who's going to be
watching this while drinking his pinogree with his shirt buttoned
down to his navel, looking handsome, looking like he is
an oleaginist fellow, And that would be the governor of
California currently, Gavin Newsom, because Clay he obviously has designs
(07:18):
on the presidency, certainly thinks and I think he's the
leading contender. Although you have put forward this Kamala, and
the more you say it this, the more upsetting it
is because it actually starts to make more sense. So
I can't even go there right now that Kamala might
actually be I truly believe that she was the worst
Democrat candidate of our lifetime, meaning just the lack of skill,
the lack of ability, everything, and she may in fact
(07:40):
still be the nominee, which is crazy to me. But
let's not go down that pathway right now, Gavin Newsom.
If it's a really close race for Steve Hilton, I
think the governor's it has to be the governor's mansion,
not the LA mayor's race for this one. But it's
a really rough look. If you've been the governor of
California for a long time and on your way out,
(08:01):
when you want to be the president of the ultimate
blue stronghold Democrat state, a Republican has to come in
to clean up your mess. I think that that actually resonates.
I think that that's going to be a problem for
him in the presidential election, which my friends, we're going
to be diving into in one year.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Basically, that's right. And by the way, I'm looking in
real time. If you're out there and you're saying this
is so frustrating, eighty four percent chance real time, Steve
Hilton is advancing to the runoff. Pretty much like we
said before. Javier Bessera is ninety six point eight percent
in real time to advance, and Spencer Pratt right now
(08:42):
is sixty five percent to advance. It's down between he
and Nitzia Rahman and Ramen is thirty one percent chance.
She is a far left winger who tried to challenge
Karen Bass from the left, and Spencer Pratt literally as
I'm talking to you right now, just went to sixty
eight percent. So these are real time prediction markets, polymarket Calshi,
(09:07):
you can go look at these and see how things
are shaking out. Spencer Pratt has already said basically hey,
that he is on and he expects to advance. And
this is cut fifteen the battle for la as we
move towards having a runoff two final contenders, here's what
(09:27):
Spencer Pratt said.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Obviously got one of five more months of me exposing
all the failures of our mayor. So it's gonna be
a fun ride.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I hope she's ready.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
This is the first time, what since two thousand and
five and incumbent is going to a runoff. This is
not a candidate that I'm too concerned about.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Okay, A couple of these cuts are good, buck, I
want to play this other one too. Spencer Pratt criticized
that he blew a lot of money when he was
a young guy in the early two thousands, cut nineteen.
This is a pretty good response.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Everything I ever spent money, they act like I didn't
have it, So, yes, I spent all this money. I
was also twenty two to twenty three years old, was
planning on being Kim Kardashian, rich and famous. So I
wasn't hoarding my money like this was my one run.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
At the game.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
But that idea again, that's my money, wasn't tax money.
So if we're gonna say he spent ten million of
his own money when he's twenty three, this lady, Karen
Bass just spent four hundred million dollars last year of
our money to house allegedly fourteen hundred people.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
If we're going to do the who.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Spends more reckless money? And mine wasn't reckless. I had
great dinners, I treated a lot of friends. I'll run
it back right now. This is what's going to stop
me from the mayor.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Like those decisions.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
I wouldn't have done all those decisions.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Again, we're rolling into pratt Boy summer here, my friend,
I mean, this is gonna be amazing that he points
it out play months and months for him to just
run the tape, tell everybody what's going on, make his case,
and what you have here also is we're now in
an area of true celebrity politics, obviously Donald Trump among others,
(11:05):
and you have somebody who is going to get free
media attention positive and negative. But attention is attention in
this environment that Karen Bass just can't match. In fact,
she doesn't really want attention. She just wants the machine
to do the work for her.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I love the pivot there, and I think this is
what we're going to see more and more of in politics. Authenticity. Yeah,
I was more on when I was twenty two or
twenty three. I made some bad decisions. You probably did too.
I'm focused on the now. Is a really good immediate pivot.
(11:40):
I also like this one too. It works. Here's CNN
a reporter stunned in a live LA interview a Democrat saying, Hey,
you're voting for Spencer Pratt cut twenty.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
As a Democrat are voting for Spencer Pratt? Yes? Why
is that?
Speaker 6 (11:57):
I do like his approach for the homelessness. As a
person who's to be homeless myself, I was rendered the
services that he's talking about. I was able to change
my life ten years sober with no alcohol and stuff
like that. So his approach is really good. I do
think it's fair for him to go off with the
runoff with Karen Bass. This way, both of them can
(12:18):
go ahead and prove to me why they deserve my vote.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Here's a question for you as an interesting take there too, Buck.
Will Karen Bass debate Spencer Pratt again? Because with just
the two of them on the stage, she was obliterated,
so is Nitya Rahman in that last debate, and they
both said we won't debate again. Is Karen Bass just
gonna run it high? Because Spencer Pratt is much better
(12:42):
at communicating than she is.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
She's not going to do it. She's not is there
by the way, is there a one? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yeah, Because she's not going to debate this guy again.
And if, in fact, if I were her campaign manager,
I would probably tell her no, no, no, we're not
going to do that. She is relying on the the
you know, the nonprofit industrial complex, the public sector unions,
the welfare recipients. She's relying on those constituencies to push
(13:11):
her over the edge here for Los Angeles. That's really
and that's what it's gonna come down to, and it's
a question of can Spencer Pratt make the case persuasively
enough to people who have a willingness to at least
hear about what's going on there. And I thought, I
know you played it when I was gone and we
were texting about it. But that is Doug Allen, right
from Entourage. Yeah, Doug Ellen, Yeah, I got that kind
(13:33):
of case to it, because he's not just saying, hey,
I think there's too many homeless encampments in the street,
which is a very real prominent He's saying I had
a home invasion. Guys, Yeah, this is real to me.
This is personal. Spencer Pratt is saying they burned my
house down. Okay, a leftist lunatic burned it down, and
the city of Los Angeles failed to put it out,
among you know, thousands of other people's home.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So there's powerful narrative here.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
But anyway, look, I think it's a very clay would
you agree, a very good result overall?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
If the results hold, will play you some of these cuts.
I'm just nervous, Buck, because of what we've seen with
these late arriving the villains.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yea, we got to look at the fact that.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
It's not one hundred percent that we know that Hilton
and Pratt have advanced. Just makes me nervous with the
way that these ballots keep coming in for weeks and
how close is it going to end up being. I
feel like I've seen this script before. That is a
very valid point and we should all keep that in mind.
That will be super That would be a major bummer.
(14:34):
It would go from villain, it would go from Steve
and Spencer's excellent adventure to their bogus journey.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
You know is very well, it's very well for raised,
Thank you, thank you all.
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Speaker 4 (16:16):
App welcome back in here to Clay and Buck, and uh,
let's just get to this because play is reminding me.
I see, I was a little too optimistic today. I
got to keep you all on your toes. I can't
let Clay just be mister sunshine. And I'm learned, or
so I was thinking. It was a great result yesterday.
It is so far a great result in California, but
it ain't over. And this is cut twenty three Steve Koranaki.
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It was like, actually, reasonably nice, seems like a normal
guy over at NBC play this one.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
It's just gonna have to be such a flood of
Democratic ballots coming in after you know, being tabulated after
election night, more into the wee hours this morning. That
would just lift both Democrats over over Hilton.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That's increasingly what it needs to needs to be for
Styre Clay.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Be a raging inferno of last minute ballots that go ahead.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I mean, our whole audience is nodding along and saying yes.
This is why I was so nervous last night, and
the fact that the longer this thing drags on, that
Spencer Pratt and or Steve Hilton may be dealing with
a tsunami of mail in ballots, which oh, oh, it's amazing.
(17:26):
It's amazing how this happens. It's twenty thousand straight ballots
that all vote the exact same way. They send these
ballots out to everybody.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
California's entire election system is broken. And until we get
some form of finality, I'm just nervous about what might happen.
That's why I was staying up last night till one am,
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We continue to monitor the ongoing ballots coming in in
the LA mayor's race and also in the California Governor's race.
Our friend Steve Hilton in a very good spot right now.
But the counting, as I was just saying, is going
(19:08):
to be going on for so long that it is
infuriating to me. There are, however, a couple of other
big stories that are out there, Buck and I did
want to mention this because it's kind of snow flown
under the radar a bit, because it came out right
as all this voting was happening in the primaries. The
Supreme Court has allowed the new Alabama map so in
(19:33):
the wake of cala versus Louisiana, which was the racial
jerrymandering case. My home state of Tennessee, Alabama, and Louisiana
have all redrawn their congressional districts. The judges in Alabama
said this is impermissible, and they struck down the new
(19:55):
map that Alabama had drawn.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
The Supreme Court almost immediately.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Took up this case and push back six to three,
the same margin as the Calais decision, and said, no,
we have to this Alabama map is constitutional. Buck, why
does this matter? Some of you may say, well, one,
it is an additional Republican district in the state of Alabama.
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It's an additional Republican district in the state of Louisiana,
And it's an additional Republican district in the state of Tennessee.
That is three additional districts. South Carolina elected not to
redraw its district map. Georgia has made the same decision.
Mississippi has made the same decision. This further makes it
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clear that all three of those states have the ability
to go in and redraw their maps. It also makes
Florida's map far more likely, which was already redrawn, to
be able to stand and is going to fundamentally reconfigure
much of.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
What is going on, and in many of.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
The southern states where racially jerrymander districts had been the
law of the land for the past couple of generations.
So this will have not only a big impact coming
up in the fall, potentially depending on how close this
ends up being, but also I think is going to
be quite significant when you look at Mississippi, South Carolina,
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and Georgia redistricting. This is a story worth paying attention
to for twenty twenty eight. And here is the bigger
picture story that I think is significant Buck. Once the
twenty thirty census comes down, the Democrat pathway to a
majority in the House, if they continue to run with
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the same party ideals with which they are imbued right now,
almost becomes a mathematical impossibility. And what you say, what
do we mean by that, Clay. The population that is
surging into states like Florida where Buck is, Tennessee where
I am, Texas where our biggest audience is, among others,
(22:09):
red state populations are soaring, and this is going to
have a transformative impact when the new census comes out,
not only in the House, but also for the electoral college,
where the pathway for Democrats to win by running the
table in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania for instance, is going
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to cease to exist.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
When do you want to talk about Scott Pelly getting
his ass booted from sixty minutes?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
That was fun? You might want to that was fun,
dive into that.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I love this, Yes, your political analysis and of the
map as a stute, and we're going to be getting
more and more into that, of course as we get
closer to the actual election, which is going to be pivotal.
And look, I have the greatest hope that Trump is
able to help corral the Republicans and the party such
(23:01):
that they maintain the House and the Senate, because otherwise,
as we know, it's just they jam up. They jam
up the President as much as they can. If they
get the House, they're going to impeach him again. It's
just going to be a mess. Doesn't mean that there's
not a lot that will still be done and accomplished.
It just means that things will get well mess here
in the meantime. Yeah, do you want to do sixty
(23:22):
minutes or if you have more political stuff?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I'm that is I wanted to make sure that we
mentioned that ruling because I think it's gotten kind of
snowed under with all of the election results coming in
last night, and I do think it's really significant. I
love this sixty minute story because this is the sixty
minutes reporters are, I think, the most arrogant and lacking
(23:47):
in basic comprehension of the modern media environment of almost
anyone out there. This guy, Pelly sixty minutes makes millions
of dollars a year to do a few stories a year,
and I think this is significant.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
To Buck.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
The only reason anybody watches sixty minutes is because they.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Put it on right after the NFL games.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Anybody who like me, spends a lot of time watching
the NFL games, they start advertising sixty minutes. Buck, they
could put me doing a flute recital on CBS right
after the NFL and we.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Got to give the ladies something to look at. I mean, shirtless,
shirtless flute Clay I think gets millions of views after
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Tens of millions of viewers right after the NFL. So
they're so cocky about how many people watch sixty minutes
and nobody ever points out, yeah, because they put it
on right after the NFL game.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Okay, We've seen this with so many of these people
who they become their egomaniacs, and they have no sense
of humility about the fact that they're incredibly I mean
Jimmy Kimmel is one of them, for example. I know
that's on the comedy side allegedly, but these people are
handed massive platforms now, just just to clear the air.
(25:02):
By the way, somebody might say, oh, well, you guys
are here, and like Rush built. First of all, we
always say Rush built this house that we are in,
and we honor him and we appreciate him. And Rush
taught me how to do radio over many years of
listening to him, and I used to fill in for
Rush and all that. But also Clay independently had a
successful radio is like trench warfare every station, every ratings period.
(25:25):
You have to prove yourself. You have to prove yourself.
Clay had a successful show in the morning. I had
a successful show in the evening, and they combined us.
Nobody just sort of said out of nowhere, Hey, you
haven't been doing this for over a decade and gotten
proven results day in and day out, and you know.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And shown what you know.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
We're just gonna give this to you like, like Trevor Noah,
the best example of us. By the way, you never
even heard of this guy, and they hand on the
Daily Show. Now I understand with some of these people
at CBS, you'll say, well, they've been in this for
a long time. Yes, they happened to be able to
be in a place where they had a tremendous built
in audience, a lot of resource is and they're in
a very fortunate position. But they're incredibly replaceable. And that's
(26:05):
the part of this clay for media personalities that they
don't get at all in this current era. You're you know,
it's either the platform or the talent most of the
time that is drawing, you know, drawing the eyeballs. And
Scott Pelly just sounds like the most pompoush douchebag on
the planet, honestly, and that is I think the proper
term for him. He is so wildly in love with
(26:26):
the importance of the work that he's done at sixty
minutes and there's no also play accountability for these clowns,
the so called elite journal journalist types from sixty Minutes
is probably the best example of this, but other places too,
they destroyed.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
The public's faith in what they do.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
No one believes them anymore, no one thinks they're unbiased anymore.
And he went in there and basically told his boss,
screw you, I don't have to listen to you. Well,
guess what when you do that, you get fired.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I saw the reporting around this For people who don't know,
they hired a new producer basically to run the show.
They had their first meeting, and this guy showed up
and denigrated and insulted his boss in front of the
whole group. For the first meeting, the boss had previously
reached out to everybody individually and said, hey, can we
(27:18):
meet can we talk about how to make the show better?
After that event, he then reached out again and said, hey,
can we start back over, can we go have a meeting?
And he's refusing to do it. I just they're going
to try to turn this guy into a free speech warrior,
because that's what they do. But for all of you
out there that are employed, if you showed up at
(27:39):
an all hands meeting after refusing to meet with your
new boss, you insulted him in front of everybody in
the meeting. He then reached out and asked you to
meet again, and you refuse to do so what do
you expect is going to happen? Now, Pelly, I think
Buck in this situation wanted to get fired. But I
(28:01):
think what you're laying out is really significant here. Pelly
comes from a world where you get a job and
that job makes you a star, and there used to
be a lot of jobs like that in media.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Hey, I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Put you on the nightly news, and the reality is
any warm body they could have put twenty people in
that chair and they would have done fine. The Internet, really,
which is where I came from, where you came from,
is a really knockdown, drag out meritocracy where you have
to grind to develop any kind of audience. And the
(28:38):
top down world of Hey, I'm going to give you
an anchor chair and pay you millions of dollars a
year to do how many stories a year to Scott
Pelly do? Probably five or six. I mean, it's one
of the cushiest jobs on the planet. And these guys
all act like they are heroes. He said he was
in combat as medical trying to defend himself Buck in Afghanistan,
(29:01):
in Iraq. He's a friggin guy with a camera.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
He observed people in combat and not really in the
actual danguris of a copy course of their combat. A
lot of the time these guys when show I saw
them because I was there too.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
By the way I observed combat.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
I had to carry a gun and was technically a combatant,
but I did not get in combat myself. That is
a a different I wasn't a helicopter where they started
shooting at people, but I wasn't shooting, so I was observing.
Point being, this guy is alone in terms of his
love of self. I mean, his narcissism is pathological, and
(29:40):
I just think it's also the last gasp of this
overpaid sorry boomers boomer generation of TV news star in
an era where now everyone the expectation is whether you
like someone's content or not. You know, Clay, we got
used to doing this business. You sit in a microphone
and go, yeah, it was no video when I started,
(30:01):
no video when you started, And you know that's now
a piece of it too. So maybe if you sit
at a at a webcam and a microphone and you
go and can you be worth people's time? A lot
of these Dan I worked for Dan Rather as an intern.
But I worked for Dan Rather for six months. Let
me tell you he is a He is a stupid
blowhard and not a guy that you would want to
spend any time with or around. That's reality. These guys
(30:23):
were getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and they
really deluded themselves into thinking that that wasn't based on
their relationships with the TV execs at these corporate media
outlets who liked them and just sort of kept writing
the checks for them. But it was because they were
so important in your replacement.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Look at them.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
You know, where's the huge Brian Williams project since he
got booted from NBC.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I know, I think about Don Lemon is just kind
of floundering around. He got charged with crimes. Here's a
funny example of this. I don't Brandy Cruz and I
might be mispronouncing her last name posted And this is
similar to what you were just talking about with Dan Ratherbuck.
I was an interne at CBS News when Pelly would
fill in for Katie Kirk on the Evening News. I
(31:06):
watched in the control room one day as he directed
them to slowly push the shot in on him as
he took his glasses off. It was so fake. I've
remembered it for fifteen years. I was kind of laughing
about this because you think, like the news guy is
like such a big note. Look I'm getting serious now,
(31:27):
let me take my glasses off. They're basically anchored, I
mean sorry, actors rather, Yeah, anchors are essentially, especially in
this kind of a role.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Yes, are actors. And also, I might add, in this
era of media too, the era you and I grew
up and you had other jobs. I had other jobs
before doing this too. A lot of these guys have
never known anything other than the warm embrace of the
lib corporate news media apparatus that they've been able to,
you know, become very financially successful, let me become very
(31:55):
famous in But I'll tell you this too. When I
worked at CBS Evening News, the people and they were horrible.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, I actually was.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
If people asked me, they're like, well, you worked there
and then you went into like Middle Eastern studies, into
the CIA thing. Yeah, because the people that I came
across at CBS EVN News, for the most part, there
were young staffers there who were really like, they were
nice people, and they were trying to start their careers.
But the more senior people and the overall and dan
Rather and the overall ethos of that place took itself
way too seriously. People were nasty to each other, people
(32:26):
were jerks in the control room, jerks outside of the
control room. And that was the by the way, that's CBS,
eving news everybody. So I had some real personal experience
of this, and I came out of dan Rather I
think was making seven million dollars a year in two
thousand when I was working there. I just knew that
because I was there and people talk about it, which
would be like making fifteen million dollars a year now.
(32:46):
Oh and and I just remember being like, you could
replace him with fifty people tomorrow and nobody would even notice.
And he's a jerk. And then the National Guard document
story happened.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Whoops. Well, I mean, I think that's the lesson of
sixty minutes is what they're trying to do is recognize
that they're not going to forever have the great time
slot right after the NFL. If you put sixty minutes
at eight pm at night, nobody would watch it. And again,
the benefit of getting that job, and also having the
(33:17):
opportunity to talk in that situation and being totally without
knowledge for how replaceable you are is absolute perfection here
to me.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Wasn't even sixty minutes. Was was it Leslie Stall who
did the whole thing with Trump where she's like, yeah,
we can't, we can't say that.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
They said they they claimed that the that the overall
Hunter Biden laptop was impossible to verify and it was
all made up. And he said, no, I mean it's
it's He's right, it's all there. It's all one hundred
percent accurate. Just a propaganda outfit. By the way, God
blessed Barry Weisse, Good luck to you.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Clean it up. She's going to try to make it
worth watching.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
She's going to try to make it a place where
they do interesting stories that people who want to know
stuff about what's happening can go instead of smug lib
propaganda for boomers who have been watching these clowns and
have no interest in actually figuring out what's really going
on in politics in the world and anything. You know,
a bunch of libs. Anyway, I'm gonna let you in
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Speaker 4 (35:30):
Maranda Devine sat down with Trump and we've got some
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those questions. We're big Mornda Divine fans here. Speaking of fans, Clay,
I flew down from DC this morning to be here
on the show. Nice time in DC. That Normally podcast
threw me a book party, Carol Markowitz and Mary Catherine Ham,
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lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
How was the book party? How'd the book party? It
was great?
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Doctor Oz came by nice Sebastian Gorka came by. Gorka,
you know, a bunch, bunch of fun folks, lots of
great peace, a lot of Daily Wire and Daily you
know Signal and Daily call, a lot of dailies, Daily Wire,
Daily Signal, Daily Caller. A lot of people came by.
But as it was a great party. And thank you
to the Normally podcast for putting it on. And also
(36:16):
go get your copy of Manufacturing Delusion because the book
is great play. I was on a flight this morning
and I was waiting to go to the bathroom and
I saw the stewardess, and the stewardess looked at me,
and I was like, oh, I just realized I can't
stand here.
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She's like, oh, I know who you are. I listen
every day.
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I'm not going to say anything because I know what
you say about Stewardess is who are mean?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
And I want to be one of the nice ones.
That's great. I was like, all right, another satisfied listener.
I'll take it.
Welcome in for the Wednesday edition. Clay and Buck lots
to get into during the course of the program, but
obviously most of the attention right now is headed all
towards what is going to happen in California, and right
now it appears that Hobbier got it right that time,
(00:24):
but Sarah is going to win the premo spot potentially
in the California Governor's primary, but that Steve Hilton is
going to come in the top two, and that those
two candidates would advance to the November election. Also La Mayor,
which has gotten a tremendous amount of attention. Karen Bass,
(00:48):
the incumbent mayor, it appears, will be the front runner,
will win the primary, but not with the fifty percent
plus that she is needed to win Bob in order
to keep a runoff from happening. She is the first
incumbent mayor to advance to a runoff in I think
(01:08):
twenty years or so in Los Angeles, and Spencer Pratt
it appears, is going to advance as well. I say
a Peers Buck and I was in bed last night
clicking refresh on my phone until after one am on
the East Coast, trying to see whether we were going
to get any true resolution here.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
We still have not.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
This is a feature, not a bug, of California elections.
It now takes longer to count California elections than it
did in the nineteenth century. They are saying it might
be a week or more, potentially weeks until the full
tallies are all in and we know who is going
to advance to the runoff, irrespective of politics. This is unacceptable.
(01:58):
I'm surprised that it isn't a story. The fact that
we have allowed the largest state in the nation to
have multi week counting processes in very contested elections is
frankly unacceptable. But that is where we are. That is
why we do not know the full results. Every other
state that had a primary bit of an upset in
(02:21):
the Iowa governor's Republican primary. Otherwise most of the favorites
have won, but Buck Steve Hilton is up about two
points right now in the overall tallies, and we are
waiting to see how many more actual votes will come in.
This is just to me, it's indefensible in all respects
(02:43):
that this could be allowed to occur.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, why allow it to occur?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
We can work backwards a little bit from this, you're
I mean, we are we are asking to speak to
the manager on this one, the manager of California Elections.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I'm going to go full Karen, very justified Karen. Here,
this is this is inexcusable. But again it's a feature,
not a bug. They want this to happen.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
There is a spill in the aisle that is creating
a hazard, Sir, needs to be dealt with right away.
I think that a few things come together. One is
why have it this way? Because even if you could
assure me, and you can't, but even if one could
assure me that this is all on the up and up,
they'll eventually get to the proper result. Again, some of
(03:26):
you are already chuckling at this, but I would say
there's the confidence that is lost in the process.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Right. It has to have the appearance of propriety.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
It has to look to people like this is valid
and that stuff shenanigans, shall we say, are not occurring.
So look, we can't change this. Californians maybe could going forward,
but you and I don't have the power to wave
a magic Wand right now that all said, Clay, this
is a very encouraging result. There you go, coming in
(03:59):
with the positive side of here.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
This is I do think. I do think this is
an encouraging result. Sorry to cut you off there, but
I'm still frustrated about the fact that California has been
doing this for years now. But if we get the
results that we are trending towards right now to your point.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Well just just to to Steve Hilton versus Besserra now
and to the mayor's race for Los Angeles. I mean
the fact that this has come down to not just
a Republican and a Democrat in the two most visible races.
(04:38):
I know there's other there were state legislature and California
House seats. And sorry that's a little too local. You
know we're on, We're on in all fifty states. I
can't tell you about the all the different districts of California,
those different races and how they shook out. But I
will say Clay, the Spencer Pratt slash Steve Hilton campaigns
(05:01):
have clearly resonated, are to be taken seriously, will have
to be taken seriously by their opponents, and at a minimum,
this will be an opportunity from now into election day
for Californians but also the rest of the country to
observe what the differences in governance approach are, to observe
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the blue state versus red state model exposed and explained
for all to see and clad it's also going to
take a lot of money for Democrats to keep these
to keep these important races in their hands, and maybe
they lose. I mean, if I if I'm looking at this,
then I'm on the Hilton or pract campaigns. I feel
very good about the results yesterday. Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
And regardless of what ends up happening in the LA
mayor's race or the California governor's race, they're such big
central campaigns that they may even motivate turnout, certainly down
ballot in California for the relatively few Republican potentially winnable
congressional seats after they have redistricted in California, but more importantly,
(06:12):
potentially they could also help to drive overall turnout in
the midterms. As people out there are hearing these arguments
and the frustration of LA being incompetent, it resonates right.
The reality is the frustrations that people deal with in LA, Chicago,
(06:32):
New York City, Washington, d C. They resonate even in
places where I live, in Nashville, Miami, where you live,
those races are so big and there's so many people
that are connected to them that even what happens in
the LA mayors race might have an impact in terms
of the way people feel the way they vote in
Arizona or Nevada or Texas or any other number of
(06:55):
states out there.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Well, I'll tell you somebody else who's going to be
watching this while drinking his pinogree with his shirt buttoned
down to his navel, looking handsome, looking like he is
an oleaginist fellow, And that would be the governor of
California currently, Gavin Newsom, because Clay he obviously has designs
(07:18):
on the presidency, certainly thinks and I think he's the
leading contender. Although you have put forward this Kamala, and
the more you say it this, the more upsetting it
is because it actually starts to make more sense. So
I can't even go there right now that Kamala might
actually be I truly believe that she was the worst
Democrat candidate of our lifetime, meaning just the lack of skill,
the lack of ability, everything, and she may in fact
(07:40):
still be the nominee, which is crazy to me. But
let's not go down that pathway right now, Gavin Newsom.
If it's a really close race for Steve Hilton, I
think the governor's it has to be the governor's mansion,
not the LA mayor's race for this one. But it's
a really rough look. If you've been the governor of
California for a long time and on your way out,
(08:01):
when you want to be the president of the ultimate
blue stronghold Democrat state, a Republican has to come in
to clean up your mess. I think that that actually resonates.
I think that that's going to be a problem for
him in the presidential election, which my friends, we're going
to be diving into in one year.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Basically, that's right. And by the way, I'm looking in
real time. If you're out there and you're saying this
is so frustrating, eighty four percent chance real time, Steve
Hilton is advancing to the runoff. Pretty much like we
said before. Javier Bessera is ninety six point eight percent
in real time to advance, and Spencer Pratt right now
(08:42):
is sixty five percent to advance. It's down between he
and Nitzia Rahman and Ramen is thirty one percent chance.
She is a far left winger who tried to challenge
Karen Bass from the left, and Spencer Pratt literally as
I'm talking to you right now, just went to sixty
eight percent. So these are real time prediction markets, polymarket Calshi,
(09:07):
you can go look at these and see how things
are shaking out. Spencer Pratt has already said basically hey,
that he is on and he expects to advance. And
this is cut fifteen the battle for la as we
move towards having a runoff two final contenders, here's what
(09:27):
Spencer Pratt said.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Obviously got one of five more months of me exposing
all the failures of our mayor. So it's gonna be
a fun ride.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I hope she's ready.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
This is the first time, what since two thousand and
five and incumbent is going to a runoff. This is
not a candidate that I'm too concerned about.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Okay, A couple of these cuts are good, buck, I
want to play this other one too. Spencer Pratt criticized
that he blew a lot of money when he was
a young guy in the early two thousands, cut nineteen.
This is a pretty good response.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Everything I ever spent money, they act like I didn't
have it, So, yes, I spent all this money. I
was also twenty two to twenty three years old, was
planning on being Kim Kardashian, rich and famous. So I
wasn't hoarding my money like this was my one run.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
At the game.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
But that idea again, that's my money, wasn't tax money.
So if we're gonna say he spent ten million of
his own money when he's twenty three, this lady, Karen
Bass just spent four hundred million dollars last year of
our money to house allegedly fourteen hundred people.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
If we're going to do the who.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Spends more reckless money? And mine wasn't reckless. I had
great dinners, I treated a lot of friends. I'll run
it back right now. This is what's going to stop
me from the mayor.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Like those decisions.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
I wouldn't have done all those decisions.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Again, we're rolling into pratt Boy summer here, my friend,
I mean, this is gonna be amazing that he points
it out play months and months for him to just
run the tape, tell everybody what's going on, make his case,
and what you have here also is we're now in
an area of true celebrity politics, obviously Donald Trump among others,
(11:05):
and you have somebody who is going to get free
media attention positive and negative. But attention is attention in
this environment that Karen Bass just can't match. In fact,
she doesn't really want attention. She just wants the machine
to do the work for her.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I love the pivot there, and I think this is
what we're going to see more and more of in politics. Authenticity. Yeah,
I was more on when I was twenty two or
twenty three. I made some bad decisions. You probably did too.
I'm focused on the now. Is a really good immediate pivot.
(11:40):
I also like this one too. It works. Here's CNN
a reporter stunned in a live LA interview a Democrat saying, Hey,
you're voting for Spencer Pratt cut twenty.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
As a Democrat are voting for Spencer Pratt? Yes? Why
is that?
Speaker 6 (11:57):
I do like his approach for the homelessness. As a
person who's to be homeless myself, I was rendered the
services that he's talking about. I was able to change
my life ten years sober with no alcohol and stuff
like that. So his approach is really good. I do
think it's fair for him to go off with the
runoff with Karen Bass. This way, both of them can
(12:18):
go ahead and prove to me why they deserve my vote.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Here's a question for you as an interesting take there too, Buck.
Will Karen Bass debate Spencer Pratt again? Because with just
the two of them on the stage, she was obliterated,
so is Nitya Rahman in that last debate, and they
both said we won't debate again. Is Karen Bass just
gonna run it high? Because Spencer Pratt is much better
(12:42):
at communicating than she is.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
She's not going to do it. She's not is there
by the way, is there a one? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yeah, Because she's not going to debate this guy again.
And if, in fact, if I were her campaign manager,
I would probably tell her no, no, no, we're not
going to do that. She is relying on the the
you know, the nonprofit industrial complex, the public sector unions,
the welfare recipients. She's relying on those constituencies to push
(13:11):
her over the edge here for Los Angeles. That's really
and that's what it's gonna come down to, and it's
a question of can Spencer Pratt make the case persuasively
enough to people who have a willingness to at least
hear about what's going on there. And I thought, I
know you played it when I was gone and we
were texting about it. But that is Doug Allen, right
from Entourage. Yeah, Doug Ellen, Yeah, I got that kind
(13:33):
of case to it, because he's not just saying, hey,
I think there's too many homeless encampments in the street,
which is a very real prominent He's saying I had
a home invasion. Guys, Yeah, this is real to me.
This is personal. Spencer Pratt is saying they burned my
house down. Okay, a leftist lunatic burned it down, and
the city of Los Angeles failed to put it out,
among you know, thousands of other people's home.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So there's powerful narrative here.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
But anyway, look, I think it's a very clay would
you agree, a very good result overall?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
If the results hold, will play you some of these cuts.
I'm just nervous, Buck, because of what we've seen with
these late arriving the villains.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yea, we got to look at the fact that.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
It's not one hundred percent that we know that Hilton
and Pratt have advanced. Just makes me nervous with the
way that these ballots keep coming in for weeks and
how close is it going to end up being. I
feel like I've seen this script before. That is a
very valid point and we should all keep that in mind.
That will be super That would be a major bummer.
(14:34):
It would go from villain, it would go from Steve
and Spencer's excellent adventure to their bogus journey.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
You know is very well, it's very well for raised,
Thank you, thank you all.
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App welcome back in here to Clay and Buck, and uh,
let's just get to this because play is reminding me.
I see, I was a little too optimistic today. I
got to keep you all on your toes. I can't
let Clay just be mister sunshine. And I'm learned, or
so I was thinking. It was a great result yesterday.
It is so far a great result in California, but
it ain't over. And this is cut twenty three Steve Koranaki.
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It was like, actually, reasonably nice, seems like a normal
guy over at NBC play this one.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
It's just gonna have to be such a flood of
Democratic ballots coming in after you know, being tabulated after
election night, more into the wee hours this morning. That
would just lift both Democrats over over Hilton.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That's increasingly what it needs to needs to be for
Styre Clay.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Be a raging inferno of last minute ballots that go ahead.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I mean, our whole audience is nodding along and saying yes.
This is why I was so nervous last night, and
the fact that the longer this thing drags on, that
Spencer Pratt and or Steve Hilton may be dealing with
a tsunami of mail in ballots, which oh, oh, it's amazing.
(17:26):
It's amazing how this happens. It's twenty thousand straight ballots
that all vote the exact same way. They send these
ballots out to everybody.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
California's entire election system is broken. And until we get
some form of finality, I'm just nervous about what might happen.
That's why I was staying up last night till one am,
Click and refresh, and I'm still not sold that we're
going to get the result one hundred percent that we want.
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We continue to monitor the ongoing ballots coming in in
the LA mayor's race and also in the California Governor's race.
Our friend Steve Hilton in a very good spot right now.
But the counting, as I was just saying, is going
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to be going on for so long that it is
infuriating to me. There are, however, a couple of other
big stories that are out there, Buck and I did
want to mention this because it's kind of snow flown
under the radar a bit, because it came out right
as all this voting was happening in the primaries. The
Supreme Court has allowed the new Alabama map so in
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the wake of cala versus Louisiana, which was the racial
jerrymandering case. My home state of Tennessee, Alabama, and Louisiana
have all redrawn their congressional districts. The judges in Alabama
said this is impermissible, and they struck down the new
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map that Alabama had drawn.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
The Supreme Court almost immediately.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Took up this case and push back six to three,
the same margin as the Calais decision, and said, no,
we have to this Alabama map is constitutional. Buck, why
does this matter? Some of you may say, well, one,
it is an additional Republican district in the state of Alabama.
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It's an additional Republican district in the state of Louisiana,
And it's an additional Republican district in the state of Tennessee.
That is three additional districts. South Carolina elected not to
redraw its district map. Georgia has made the same decision.
Mississippi has made the same decision. This further makes it
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clear that all three of those states have the ability
to go in and redraw their maps. It also makes
Florida's map far more likely, which was already redrawn, to
be able to stand and is going to fundamentally reconfigure
much of.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
What is going on, and in many of.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
The southern states where racially jerrymander districts had been the
law of the land for the past couple of generations.
So this will have not only a big impact coming
up in the fall, potentially depending on how close this
ends up being, but also I think is going to
be quite significant when you look at Mississippi, South Carolina,
(21:26):
and Georgia redistricting. This is a story worth paying attention
to for twenty twenty eight. And here is the bigger
picture story that I think is significant Buck. Once the
twenty thirty census comes down, the Democrat pathway to a
majority in the House, if they continue to run with
(21:47):
the same party ideals with which they are imbued right now,
almost becomes a mathematical impossibility. And what you say, what
do we mean by that, Clay. The population that is
surging into states like Florida where Buck is, Tennessee where
I am, Texas where our biggest audience is, among others,
(22:09):
red state populations are soaring, and this is going to
have a transformative impact when the new census comes out,
not only in the House, but also for the electoral college,
where the pathway for Democrats to win by running the
table in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania for instance, is going
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to cease to exist.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
When do you want to talk about Scott Pelly getting
his ass booted from sixty minutes?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
That was fun? You might want to that was fun,
dive into that.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I love this, Yes, your political analysis and of the
map as a stute, and we're going to be getting
more and more into that, of course as we get
closer to the actual election, which is going to be pivotal.
And look, I have the greatest hope that Trump is
able to help corral the Republicans and the party such
(23:01):
that they maintain the House and the Senate, because otherwise,
as we know, it's just they jam up. They jam
up the President as much as they can. If they
get the House, they're going to impeach him again. It's
just going to be a mess. Doesn't mean that there's
not a lot that will still be done and accomplished.
It just means that things will get well mess here
in the meantime. Yeah, do you want to do sixty
(23:22):
minutes or if you have more political stuff?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I'm that is I wanted to make sure that we
mentioned that ruling because I think it's gotten kind of
snowed under with all of the election results coming in
last night, and I do think it's really significant. I
love this sixty minute story because this is the sixty
minutes reporters are, I think, the most arrogant and lacking
(23:47):
in basic comprehension of the modern media environment of almost
anyone out there. This guy, Pelly sixty minutes makes millions
of dollars a year to do a few stories a year,
and I think this is significant.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
To Buck.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
The only reason anybody watches sixty minutes is because they.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Put it on right after the NFL games.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Anybody who like me, spends a lot of time watching
the NFL games, they start advertising sixty minutes. Buck, they
could put me doing a flute recital on CBS right
after the NFL and we.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Got to give the ladies something to look at. I mean, shirtless,
shirtless flute Clay I think gets millions of views after
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Tens of millions of viewers right after the NFL. So
they're so cocky about how many people watch sixty minutes
and nobody ever points out, yeah, because they put it
on right after the NFL game.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Okay, We've seen this with so many of these people
who they become their egomaniacs, and they have no sense
of humility about the fact that they're incredibly I mean
Jimmy Kimmel is one of them, for example. I know
that's on the comedy side allegedly, but these people are
handed massive platforms now, just just to clear the air.
(25:02):
By the way, somebody might say, oh, well, you guys
are here, and like Rush built. First of all, we
always say Rush built this house that we are in,
and we honor him and we appreciate him. And Rush
taught me how to do radio over many years of
listening to him, and I used to fill in for
Rush and all that. But also Clay independently had a
successful radio is like trench warfare every station, every ratings period.
(25:25):
You have to prove yourself. You have to prove yourself.
Clay had a successful show in the morning. I had
a successful show in the evening, and they combined us.
Nobody just sort of said out of nowhere, Hey, you
haven't been doing this for over a decade and gotten
proven results day in and day out, and you know.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And shown what you know.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
We're just gonna give this to you like, like Trevor Noah,
the best example of us. By the way, you never
even heard of this guy, and they hand on the
Daily Show. Now I understand with some of these people
at CBS, you'll say, well, they've been in this for
a long time. Yes, they happened to be able to
be in a place where they had a tremendous built
in audience, a lot of resource is and they're in
a very fortunate position. But they're incredibly replaceable. And that's
(26:05):
the part of this clay for media personalities that they
don't get at all in this current era. You're you know,
it's either the platform or the talent most of the
time that is drawing, you know, drawing the eyeballs. And
Scott Pelly just sounds like the most pompoush douchebag on
the planet, honestly, and that is I think the proper
term for him. He is so wildly in love with
(26:26):
the importance of the work that he's done at sixty
minutes and there's no also play accountability for these clowns,
the so called elite journal journalist types from sixty Minutes
is probably the best example of this, but other places too,
they destroyed.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
The public's faith in what they do.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
No one believes them anymore, no one thinks they're unbiased anymore.
And he went in there and basically told his boss,
screw you, I don't have to listen to you. Well,
guess what when you do that, you get fired.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I saw the reporting around this For people who don't know,
they hired a new producer basically to run the show.
They had their first meeting, and this guy showed up
and denigrated and insulted his boss in front of the
whole group. For the first meeting, the boss had previously
reached out to everybody individually and said, hey, can we
(27:18):
meet can we talk about how to make the show better?
After that event, he then reached out again and said, hey,
can we start back over, can we go have a meeting?
And he's refusing to do it. I just they're going
to try to turn this guy into a free speech warrior,
because that's what they do. But for all of you
out there that are employed, if you showed up at
(27:39):
an all hands meeting after refusing to meet with your
new boss, you insulted him in front of everybody in
the meeting. He then reached out and asked you to
meet again, and you refuse to do so what do
you expect is going to happen? Now, Pelly, I think
Buck in this situation wanted to get fired. But I
(28:01):
think what you're laying out is really significant here. Pelly
comes from a world where you get a job and
that job makes you a star, and there used to
be a lot of jobs like that in media.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Hey, I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Put you on the nightly news, and the reality is
any warm body they could have put twenty people in
that chair and they would have done fine. The Internet, really,
which is where I came from, where you came from,
is a really knockdown, drag out meritocracy where you have
to grind to develop any kind of audience. And the
(28:38):
top down world of Hey, I'm going to give you
an anchor chair and pay you millions of dollars a
year to do how many stories a year to Scott
Pelly do? Probably five or six. I mean, it's one
of the cushiest jobs on the planet. And these guys
all act like they are heroes. He said he was
in combat as medical trying to defend himself Buck in Afghanistan,
(29:01):
in Iraq. He's a friggin guy with a camera.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
He observed people in combat and not really in the
actual danguris of a copy course of their combat. A
lot of the time these guys when show I saw
them because I was there too.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
By the way I observed combat.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
I had to carry a gun and was technically a combatant,
but I did not get in combat myself. That is
a a different I wasn't a helicopter where they started
shooting at people, but I wasn't shooting, so I was observing.
Point being, this guy is alone in terms of his
love of self. I mean, his narcissism is pathological, and
(29:40):
I just think it's also the last gasp of this
overpaid sorry boomers boomer generation of TV news star in
an era where now everyone the expectation is whether you
like someone's content or not. You know, Clay, we got
used to doing this business. You sit in a microphone
and go, yeah, it was no video when I started,
(30:01):
no video when you started, And you know that's now
a piece of it too. So maybe if you sit
at a at a webcam and a microphone and you
go and can you be worth people's time? A lot
of these Dan I worked for Dan Rather as an intern.
But I worked for Dan Rather for six months. Let
me tell you he is a He is a stupid
blowhard and not a guy that you would want to
spend any time with or around. That's reality. These guys
(30:23):
were getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and they
really deluded themselves into thinking that that wasn't based on
their relationships with the TV execs at these corporate media
outlets who liked them and just sort of kept writing
the checks for them. But it was because they were
so important in your replacement.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Look at them.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
You know, where's the huge Brian Williams project since he
got booted from NBC.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I know, I think about Don Lemon is just kind
of floundering around. He got charged with crimes. Here's a
funny example of this. I don't Brandy Cruz and I
might be mispronouncing her last name posted And this is
similar to what you were just talking about with Dan Ratherbuck.
I was an interne at CBS News when Pelly would
fill in for Katie Kirk on the Evening News. I
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watched in the control room one day as he directed
them to slowly push the shot in on him as
he took his glasses off. It was so fake. I've
remembered it for fifteen years. I was kind of laughing
about this because you think, like the news guy is
like such a big note. Look I'm getting serious now,
(31:27):
let me take my glasses off. They're basically anchored, I
mean sorry, actors rather, Yeah, anchors are essentially, especially in
this kind of a role.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Yes, are actors. And also, I might add, in this
era of media too, the era you and I grew
up and you had other jobs. I had other jobs
before doing this too. A lot of these guys have
never known anything other than the warm embrace of the
lib corporate news media apparatus that they've been able to,
you know, become very financially successful, let me become very
(31:55):
famous in But I'll tell you this too. When I
worked at CBS Evening News, the people and they were horrible.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, I actually was.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
If people asked me, they're like, well, you worked there
and then you went into like Middle Eastern studies, into
the CIA thing. Yeah, because the people that I came
across at CBS EVN News, for the most part, there
were young staffers there who were really like, they were
nice people, and they were trying to start their careers.
But the more senior people and the overall and dan
Rather and the overall ethos of that place took itself
way too seriously. People were nasty to each other, people
(32:26):
were jerks in the control room, jerks outside of the
control room. And that was the by the way, that's CBS,
eving news everybody. So I had some real personal experience
of this, and I came out of dan Rather I
think was making seven million dollars a year in two
thousand when I was working there. I just knew that
because I was there and people talk about it, which
would be like making fifteen million dollars a year now.
(32:46):
Oh and and I just remember being like, you could
replace him with fifty people tomorrow and nobody would even notice.
And he's a jerk. And then the National Guard document
story happened.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Whoops. Well, I mean, I think that's the lesson of
sixty minutes is what they're trying to do is recognize
that they're not going to forever have the great time
slot right after the NFL. If you put sixty minutes
at eight pm at night, nobody would watch it. And again,
the benefit of getting that job, and also having the
(33:17):
opportunity to talk in that situation and being totally without
knowledge for how replaceable you are is absolute perfection here
to me.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Wasn't even sixty minutes. Was was it Leslie Stall who
did the whole thing with Trump where she's like, yeah,
we can't, we can't say that.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
They said they they claimed that the that the overall
Hunter Biden laptop was impossible to verify and it was
all made up. And he said, no, I mean it's
it's He's right, it's all there. It's all one hundred
percent accurate. Just a propaganda outfit. By the way, God
blessed Barry Weisse, Good luck to you.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Clean it up. She's going to try to make it
worth watching.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
She's going to try to make it a place where
they do interesting stories that people who want to know
stuff about what's happening can go instead of smug lib
propaganda for boomers who have been watching these clowns and
have no interest in actually figuring out what's really going
on in politics in the world and anything. You know,
a bunch of libs. Anyway, I'm gonna let you in
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Speaker 4 (35:30):
Maranda Devine sat down with Trump and we've got some
very interesting reactions from or rather responses from him to
those questions. We're big Mornda Divine fans here. Speaking of fans, Clay,
I flew down from DC this morning to be here
on the show. Nice time in DC. That Normally podcast
threw me a book party, Carol Markowitz and Mary Catherine Ham,
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lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
How was the book party? How'd the book party? It
was great?
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Doctor Oz came by nice Sebastian Gorka came by. Gorka,
you know, a bunch, bunch of fun folks, lots of
great peace, a lot of Daily Wire and Daily you
know Signal and Daily call, a lot of dailies, Daily Wire,
Daily Signal, Daily Caller. A lot of people came by.
But as it was a great party. And thank you
to the Normally podcast for putting it on. And also
(36:16):
go get your copy of Manufacturing Delusion because the book
is great play. I was on a flight this morning
and I was waiting to go to the bathroom and
I saw the stewardess, and the stewardess looked at me,
and I was like, oh, I just realized I can't
stand here.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
She's like, oh, I know who you are. I listen
every day.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
I'm not going to say anything because I know what
you say about Stewardess is who are mean?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
And I want to be one of the nice ones.
That's great. I was like, all right, another satisfied listener.
I'll take it.
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