August 31, 2026 • 36 mins
In Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay Travis hosts solo while Buck Sexton is away, delivering a wide-ranging discussion focused on morality, crime, culture, politics, and public empathy in America. The hour opens with updates on several major news stories, including the ongoing jury deliberations in the high-profile Lindsay Clancy murder trial, the approaching 2026 midterm election season, and the unofficial kickoff of fall political campaigning following Labor Day. Clay frames the hour around a broader theme: what he sees as a troubling shift in American culture regarding how people assign sympathy, victimhood, and moral responsibility.
A significant portion of Hour 1 is devoted to the Lindsay Clancy case, which serves as the central topic throughout the broadcast. Clay argues that public support for Clancy reflects a larger societal problem in which sympathy is being directed toward perpetrators rather than victims. He compares reactions to the Clancy case with public responses to the killing of healthcare executive Brian Thompson by Luigi Mangione and the murder of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, citing polling that he says shows a notable percentage of Americans expressing acceptance or justification for political or ideological violence. Clay contends that these examples illustrate a deeper cultural and moral crisis, raising concerns about political extremism, public attitudes toward violence, and the erosion of shared values.
The program features extensive listener interaction, with callers weighing in on the causes of violent crime, mental illness, and the Clancy case. One caller argues that failures within the psychiatric healthcare system, including the prescribing of multiple medications and inadequate patient monitoring, may have contributed to tragic outcomes. This leads to a broader discussion about mental health treatment, prescription drug use, pharmaceutical oversight, and whether America has become overly reliant on medication, particularly among younger people. Clay questions the widespread use of psychiatric and other prescription drugs and argues for greater scrutiny of how medications are prescribed and managed.
Another major theme in Hour 1 centers on the legal system and criminal accountability. Drawing on his background as an attorney, Clay advocates for stricter legal consequences in cases involving the murder of children. He discusses the concept of strict liability offenses and argues that child murder cases should allow fewer defenses based on mental state or mental illness. Throughout the hour, he repeatedly emphasizes the importance of focusing compassion on victims and surviving family members rather than on those accused or convicted of violent crimes.
The conversation also expands into broader cultural and social issues. Clay examines why he believes certain segments of society are increasingly sympathetic toward criminals or individuals accused of serious wrongdoing. He discusses gender differences in reactions to high-profile criminal cases, questions the influence of social media and modern culture, and explores how public perceptions can be shaped by ideology and identity politics. These discussions tie into larger debates about crime, justice, public opinion, and cultural values in modern America.
Religion, faith, and Western civilization emerge as additional topics during the hour. Responding to callers, Clay argues that declining religious participation and weakening shared moral foundations may be contributing to societal fragmentation and confusion about right and wrong. He reflects on the historical influence of Christianity and Western cultural traditions, drawing lessons from European history and architecture to make the case that common values and faith-based institutions have historically helped unify societies and provide moral direction.
Other subjects touched on during Hour 1 include the start of football season, growing engagement with the show’s YouTube audience, upcoming guests including Good Ranchers executive Ben Spell, discussions about beef prices and American agriculture later in the program, and preparations for the intensifying 2026 political campaign cycle as attention turns toward the midterm elections.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Monday edition, Clay and Buck. We appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. I am Clay. Hello.
on YouTube and everybody out there watching and listening across
the nation. We're going to have a fun Monday show
for all of you. Buck is out today. He will
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be back with me tomorrow. And I'm sure he will
be missing all of you quite a lot today. We
will have open phone lines. We'll have a couple of
guests in one of whom will be in studio. Ben
Spell of Good Ranchers to talk about all of the
issues associated with American meat, beef prices, all that and more.
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A lot of questions circulating about all of that. We
are awaiting a verdict on what is going to happen
in the Lindsay Clancy trial. The jury has that case
right now. We are tracking the continued case. imminence of
the midterm elections as tomorrow we will enter into September.
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It is a late Labor Day this year, but in
many ways, the start of the fall campaign season for
many is often pegged as Labor Day when everybody's back
home from summer vacations and all the kids are going
back into school. Football is returning. Congratulations to those teams
that triumphed in week one. We will have a big
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announcement tomorrow about Hard Rock Bet coming on as a
sponsor on this program. Excited about that. But there are
many different things that we will be talking about during
the course of the program today. And I wanted to
start with something that. I think connects many of the
different stories that are going on right now across not
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only politics, but pop culture, but sports. And it's the
degree to which so many people out there are getting
so much wrong. I was reading over the weekend, as
I like to do in my print newspapers, and There's
a great editorial in the Wall Street Journal from a
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writer named Adrian Norman. And the whole concept of the
article ties in with much of what I have been
thinking and we have been talking about on this program.
The article is entitled Americans Who Find Killing Acceptable. And
in particular, this article says one in six voters. called
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the assassination of a health care executive on a public
sidewalk acceptable. You guys know Brian Thompson on a Manhattan sidewalk,
December 4th, 2024. He was in cold blood, murdered by
Luigi Mangione, who has since confessed that he committed this crime.
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And Mangione became a hero to many people. There were
lots of people showing up outside of courtroom dressed up.
up as the character Luigi from the Mario and Luigi
Super Mario Brothers video game. There were so many different
places out there where people were celebrating the fact that
this healthcare CEO had been murdered. Also, that has continued.
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Just recently, there was an Emerson poll that asked if
Mangione's actions were acceptable or unacceptable. 16.7% of respondents, they said,
that his actions were either completely acceptable or somewhat acceptable.
A similar number of people said that it was okay
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to kill Charlie Kirk if you disagreed with his political persuasion.
I want you to think about that for a minute,
because I think it's telling us something very, very dark
about the inner soul of America as we sit here,
somewhere near halfway through 2026. If somewhere in the neighborhood
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of 20%, one in six, one in five, of people
are willing to justify the killing of an innocent dad
on the sidewalk who happens to be a healthcare CEO,
if somewhere around that same number of people are willing
to justify the killing of Charlie Kirk and based on
his political opinions, another dad who was actually just engaging
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almost exactly a year ago at a free speech event.
I think it also ties in with what we have
seen from so many women who have shown up to
cheer Lindsay Clancy as she is arriving at her court
every day. They're cheering her like she is a football team,
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and they're there to tailgate and cheer the arrival of
a football team at a stadium. Also, when we look
at all of these different stories, the number of people
out there who are saying, yes, we should cheer men
and women's sports, the best woman is actually a man
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pretending to be a woman. What's going on that around
one in five people are on the completely wrong side
of moral-related issues, and their empathy is being channeled in
a direction that's totally different than where it should be.
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And in particular, I've been thinking a lot about it
because I can't stop thinking about the Lindsay Clancy case.
I was talking about it over the weekend. I've worked
in criminal law. It's one thing to provide the best
possible defense for a criminal defendant. That is the obligation
that lawyers who do criminal defense work, including me in
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the past, take on. That's our job. And if the
lawyer were just showing up and doing his best job
to try to defend Lindsay Clancy of these horrible charges,
I would feel somewhat different. But that's not really what's
going on here. What's going on here is a lot
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of women who have gone to fancy colleges, who have
spent lots of money to be quote unquote educated, are
showing up and cheering Lindsay Clancy as she arrives at court.
And I think largely it's the same people who are
showing up outside of Luigi Mangione's court proceedings and cheering him.
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and the same people who celebrated when Charlie Kirk was assassinated,
and the same people out there who are arguing that
men should be able to play in women's sports. What
you're really seeing that connects all of these different aspects
of American society today is the empathy of so many
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people on the left is being directed in absolutely the
wrong direction. But think about it. I'll use the Lindsey
Clancy case as an example to start, but I'm going
to work through each of them. There were a five-year-old,
a three-year-old, and an eight-month-old choked to death with exercise bands.
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I want you to think about that for a minute.
It's hard to think about, but you should, because it's
important to consider the violent act that is being prosecuted here.
This is not like a movie where you choke somebody
for a few seconds and they die. You sometimes see
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that on television. You actually know what's required in order
to choke those little kids to death. She had to
do it for up to five minutes each. While the
other children were sitting there watching her, Think about those
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little babies, that five-year-old and the three-year-old, how they were
fighting for their life. As Lindsay Clancy choked them to
death with exercise bands after she sent her husband out
to go get food and to pick up prescriptions so
that she could be alone with the kids long enough
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to murder them. This is profoundly evil on a level.
That is hard to even comprehend. Think about how those
little babies. Those little kids. Would have been fighting for
their lives. Kicking their legs. Waving their arms. Staring up
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at their mom. As she murdered them. One after the other.
And the reaction. Of people. Around 20% of Americans is
to show up and cheer for her as she shows
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up at the courtroom every day? To all wear the
same color so you know that they're on Team Lindsey Clancy?
How does your empathy not go to those kids? How
does your empathy not go to that dad? And it's
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not just the Lindsey Clancy case. People watched a video
as Luigi Mangione walked up behind a dad on a
sidewalk and shot him from behind in cold blood. Plan
that execution. And people cheered. People watched Charlie Kirk lose
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his life at a free speech event. You could see
it happen in 4K. And people cheered. The data is
reflecting that around 20% of Americans are profoundly, I believe,
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gripped by evil. And we can talk a lot about
what the tax rate should be or about what the
proper immigration policy should be. or what the tariffs should
be on Canada. We can debate all those things in
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our republic. But if 20% of Americans see evil and
put their empathy in the direction of evil, I would
submit to you we have a profound sickness in this
country that is far more significant. than any political division
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over tax or tariff or immigration. I'm profoundly troubled by this.
I spend a lot of time thinking about it. How
have we gotten here? Where a mom murders her three babies,
where two dads get shot in cold blood, one on
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the street, one on a college campus. where the ability
to distinguish between good and evil is lost. Now, it's
lost right now, it seems, largely by people on the
far left. They want many of us dead. They cheer
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when we are murdered. How do we fix this? How
do we create a society where if we're going to
be giving empathy, which is a very kind and generous
thing to be giving to people, that the empathy goes
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to actual victims, not to those engaging in evil. Now,
I open up phone lines 800-282-2882, but a concern that
I have is if we've got around 20% of people
that are now Empathizing, sympathizing, supporting evil. What if that
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is spreading? And that is my concern, that it is.
What is causing that spread? How did we get here
to a place where in Massachusetts women are dressing up
in identical clothing so that they can cheer a mother out?
who choked to death with exercise bands, her five-year-old, her three-year-old,
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and her eight-month-old. How in any world that is just
does anyone on the planet consider her to be the
victim and put their empathy and their sympathy in her
direction in the same way that we saw with Luigi Mangione,
in the same way that we saw with Charlie Kirk's,
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I believe, clear killer, Tyler Robinson. How many people's brains
are broken and filled with evil, and how do we
fix it? That's a big question, and it's something that
I spend a lot of time on. We'll open up
your phone lines. You guys can react to 800-282-2882. Not
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exactly a super buoyant open, but something that I have
spent a lot of time thinking about in a very
significant way. The American heart, I believe, has darkened. How
do we fix it? Batavia, Illinois, little town far west
of Chicago. 2.40 a.m. in the morning, a woman sees
(14:19):
a flashlight in a shadow outside her window. Police say
the man in her backyard was a registered sex offender.
A military court convicted him in 2024. He had taken
a sailor's key card, let himself into her bedroom, watched
her sleep. He'd never met the woman. He saw her
on social media, researched her, and found her home address. Researched.
(14:40):
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sounded so good. Clay and Buck owning the airwaves. Welcome
back in Clay and Buck. We've got a lot of
people who want to weigh in on the phones. I
will get to that at the bottom of the hour.
You can also send talkbacks 800-282-2882. And I want to
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thank all of you who are now watching us on YouTube.
We continue to set new records. We had what 20,000 people,
I think on Friday, uh, watched the YouTube live stream,
which is a pinprick of the number of people that
are listening right now on all 550 stations out there,
and also the number of you that will ultimately end
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up podcasting this program. But it is going to skyrocket,
I think, very quickly, and soon we will be in
the hundreds of thousands a day who are streaming this
show live. So if you haven't already, YouTube, you can
also see it at Sport and State. I want to
ask you this question. Why is it women? Why is
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it overwhelmingly women that are on the wrong sides of
these empathy decisions when they decide who the victim is?
I don't think there's a man in America. who is saying, hey,
Lindsey Clancy is the real victim here. She can't be
held responsible. I don't think there's a man in America
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that would show up outside of a dad's trial who
had murdered all three of his kids and cheer like
he was the starting quarterback on the football team showing
up for a game this weekend. It's not happening to men.
Why is it happening to women? That's who these 20% are,
which is scary. Most of the people who were fangirling
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out over Luigi Mangione, women. Most of the people, all
the ones that I've seen saying Lindsay Clancy is the
real victim here, women. The people largely who celebrated Charlie
Kirk's murder, women. Now, there are some men too, but
it seems to be women particularly that are being led
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We have got loaded lines on our calls. For the
team back there, I just lost my call screen, if
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you can pull it back up. We have got a
couple of guests coming your way. Ben Spell of Good Ranchers,
our friend Frank Siller of Tunnels to Towers will also
be with us. The jury deliberation continuing in the Lindsay
Clancy case, the longer it goes on, the less confidence
I have that they're going to find her guilty. Nine women,
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three men on that jury. What are the chances that
some of the men on that jury are trying to
explain why Lindsay Clancy's actions are not those of someone
who is insane? I think likely. Also, I'm going to...
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keep hammering this because many members of state legislatures and
many of you out there are on Senate staffs and
House of Republican staffs. And some of you are in
the White House right now. Why can we not have
strict liability on the murder of children? It's a very
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simple question that no one can give me a good
answer to. And if you don't know what strict liability
offenses are, I have talked about them quite a bit
on this program. But an easy example is if you
sleep with a minor, right? If you're 20 and you
sleep with a 17-year-old in some states, that's a crime
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and you can't defend yourself. Now, we can argue about
whether in that particular situation that should be a crime.
But that is the law. There is no defense when
you commit an act such as that because we believe
that children should be protected from adults. Why in the
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world is it not a strict liability offense if you
murder a child? There should be no defense whatsoever for you.
And let me just also point out that many people
out there who commit murders, probably the vast majority... have
mental health-related issues. So for all the women, I'm sure
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we're going to get angry emails, because even in this audience,
there are some women who say, she should never be
held responsible for her acts. Do you know how stressful
it is to have children? Do you know how sad
it can make some of us? I don't care. You
know how sad it makes me to know that a five-year-old,
a three-year-old, and an eight-month-old are dead? That's where my
empathy goes. Not for the mommy who was too sad,
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for the kids that don't get to live anymore. Sorry.
We all have to make choices in where we give
our empathy. My empathy goes to the dad who went
to go pick up food and came home and his
kids were all murdered. That's the parent who deserves empathy,
not the mom who happened to be sad. And I
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don't know, people are afraid to even say that. Oh, well,
you're not considering enough. I don't care about her.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
She choked her children to death with exercise bands for
minutes as they struggled for their own lives. I don't
care how tough her life might be. She should be
in prison for the rest of her life. And frankly,
she should be put to death, in my opinion. And
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I don't even typically like the death penalty because we
don't all the time have certainty on people who are
convicted of crimes. As a lawyer, there are some cases
that I look at and I say, man, I'm not
sure that beyond a reasonable doubt that person did the crime.
She's admitting that she did the crime. There is no
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dispute about who killed the kids. In cases such as these,
I think it should be an immediate death penalty. By
the way, what is the goal here? My own wife
asked me that question. I think it's a good one.
She's going to reenter society? Oh, we're going to give
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her a lot of drugs and she's not going to
be insane anymore? Well, if she's not insane anymore and
she comes to sanity, she should not want to live
because she killed her three kids. A million dollars on GoFundMe,
by the way, for this crazy murderer. Again, the toxic
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empathy here overwhelmingly going to the wrong individuals. It frankly
makes me sick. A lot of you want to react.
Patty in Connecticut, what you got for us?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Thank you. Thank you. I would like to respond, and
I know for the sake of time I'm going to
go wide. I think we should do so that this never,
ever happens in this country ever again. I think we
should look at the health care system for psychiatry. I
think there were 12 to 13 different physicians who were
prescribing for them, may not have even been aware of
what the other physicians were prescribing. And I think that
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when they dispense the drugs, especially if it comes from
one's pharmacy, they know these drugs are only put out
at one or two at a time and that there's
very careful putting them on slowly and removing them even slower.
So there's specific things that ease these drugs interactions with
each other. I think they should put a registered nurse
in a home where the mother is not well, feeling
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she's having a depression, but whatever she's having, because she
will assess her from a medical point of view. If
they want to put her with a DCF worker, put
the registered nurse in there. I think the pharmacies should
assess before they put out 12 or 13 medications to
a person, the other medications that they're on. And if
there's multiple physicians, Usually when they go on this, I
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worked for someone in an OBGYN office. They monitored these
people enormously, brought them in the office, how they were feeling,
very close assessments. They just didn't put them on them
and let them go home. This is absolutely horrifying. This
should never happen again. We cannot even imagine what these
children experience. The mother putting all these drugs together, we
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don't know how the body metabolizes these drugs together. They
were meant to be taken 12 or 13 at a time.
We need to scrutinize the psychiatric department for follow-up, for
follow-up with the psychiatrist, follow-up in the person's home to
see what's going on so that no child is ever
put in an unsafe home where they will have to
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endure medication. Such a horrifying thing. I can't even imagine
the fear and terror in them as this happened to them.
This is unbelievable, sir. And I think what it relates
to is how we are managing these drugs. I recently
saw something outstanding. I will try and get the link
and send it to you from a doctor who prescribes these.
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The meticulous care, the meticulous follow-up. We need to be
careful of what drugs we're putting together. We need to
be careful of how these patients are responding to them,
what is going on in the home. And these children, someone,
an adult somewhere, should have never have left these children
alone with the mother.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Thank you for the call. Look, there's so much in
there to unpack. I do think that one of the
big flaws that no one wants to address is how
overmedicated kids and young people in particular are in America today.
And all of the different drug cocktails that we are
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throwing into so many different of these kids' bodies. And
what it's doing to them. And have you guys read
some of the studies on what happens when you try
to stop taking these drugs? I am old school. I
get made fun of. I don't even like to take Tylenol.
I want my body to be able to handle everything.
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I'm not saying certainly that I'm some sort of avatar
of health, but I don't want to put into my
body drugs that I have to constantly be cycling through.
And I think her call makes a tremendously important point.
So many of these drugs interplaying with each other. What
is the impact? What does it do to you? Some
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of you have seen friends and family on so many
of these different medications and just seen the life sort
of sucked out of their eyes. You know what I'm
talking about? When you see someone and they just have
dead eyes, there is, I think, this has always been
my take, I think we could wipe out 75% of
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all prescription drugs use in America, and I actually think
as a society we'd be healthier. Somewhat controversial, I understand.
Some of you are going to disagree with that. I
think if we wiped out 75% of all drug use, we,
in general, would be healthier. I'm talking about for young people, right?
For people who are getting older, blood pressure, cholesterol, all
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these things, if you're over 70, there is a different
calculus involved. But the fact that huge percentages of 14-year-olds
in this country are on medicines that they take daily...
It's crazy to me. Deb in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, what you
got for me?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Driving down the road, I'm hearing you talk about this
gal that, you know, that killed these kids. And so
much came to my mind because I am that person
over 70.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
But I also.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Think about even abortion. But to think that what prompted
this woman, whether it was drugs, postpartum, you know, all
of that. Our society, like you said, 20% of these,
our society is standing up for people who are murdering,
outright murdering. It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. And my take,
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when you said, how can we fix this? Well, I
am a person of faith. I wasn't always a person
of strong faith. It happened as I got older. But
I do believe that the power of prayer and that
God's could turn things around. But I also believe that
it does start in the home. And this is what's
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going on with social media and parents that are broken up.
and not together. There's so much out there that affects
our young kids and affects all adults. And I think
what you do is fantastic. I'm all about the talk
shows that are positive and trying to help people think
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about what is the right thing to do and what
direction we really should go. And I commend you guys
for that.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Thank you for listening, Deb. And thank you for that call.
I think she's right. There's a great line out there,
and I'm paraphrasing it. You may not be religious yourself,
but the decline of religion in this country is going
to impact your life in a major way. Because whatever
religion you are following, certainly if it's Judeo-Christian, is about
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trying to make in some way yourself better and the
world better, right? It's an aspirational goal to reach out
to others and uplift. And I don't think it's coincidental
that we're losing our moral centering, particularly for those 20%
of people, because they don't have a foundation of Western
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civilization or values. This is a big take. I got
to go to Italy. You guys heard me talk about
it some. I'd never been to Italy. I went a
couple of years ago. I couldn't stop thinking about, as
you and my kids were like, not another cathedral, dad.
But from a historic perspective, the metaphor of all of
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these communities wanting to build these spectacular cathedrals, and you
might work in one corner of that cathedral and for
your entire life just to create something beautiful. Think about
that for a minute. I couldn't stop thinking about that concept. Hey,
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you're a great sculptor. You're a great painter. You're a
great architect. Whatever your skill might be, we're bringing it
to bear to try to build a great cathedral that
is better than any other cathedral anywhere in the world.
And your particular individual role might be you just work
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on this one corner of that cathedral for your whole
life and to undertake building projects that would not be
finished in the life of anyone that was involved in it.
It teaches you that you are a small part of
something much larger and that you're all speaking a common language.
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the language of Western civilization, in particular in Italy, the
language of the Bible, right? Every mosaic, every sculpture, everyone
would have understood what that represented. They all spoke the
common language of faith. It, to me, is not a
coincidence that speaking that common language of faith lifted Western
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Europe above anywhere else in the world and created... the
world that we now all are fortunate enough to live in.
Western civilization turns out a really good thing. Even saying
that is considered controversial. Well, do you know what some
of those people in Western civilization did? They had slaves.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Yes.
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All throughout human history, all humans have had slaves or
been slaves. Every single one of you listening to me
right now Your ancestors either owned slaves or were slaves,
almost assuredly both. All of this adding up together, it
tells a different profound story that, frankly, I don't think
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young kids today are being instructed in. And if you
do not have that foundation, I think you can be
led towards evil. The mom who murdered her three kids
is the victim. The 26-year-old good-looking guy that pulls out
a gun and kills the CEO. And oh, by the way,
don't even get me started on all the lies that
(33:49):
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Speaker 2 (36:00):
Hello.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Hello. I'm going to touch the third rail here. And
everything is a bell curve. Of course, not every woman
is like this. But the fact is, we men are
genetically programmed to protect and create a bubble of safety.
The women, by their nature, live in that bubble and
have no idea what it takes for safety. So they
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make decisions based on a bubble that they live in
without regard to how it puts them in danger.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Thank you for the call. Buck has talked about this
a little bit, that the general woman, the average woman,
does not have experience with a great deal of violence.
That's why I think it's important to focus on exactly
what happened here. She choked those babies to death for
minutes with an exercise band.
Welcome in Monday edition, Clay and Buck. We appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. I am Clay. Hello.
on YouTube and everybody out there watching and listening across
the nation. We're going to have a fun Monday show
for all of you. Buck is out today. He will
(00:20):
be back with me tomorrow. And I'm sure he will
be missing all of you quite a lot today. We
will have open phone lines. We'll have a couple of
guests in one of whom will be in studio. Ben
Spell of Good Ranchers to talk about all of the
issues associated with American meat, beef prices, all that and more.
(00:41):
A lot of questions circulating about all of that. We
are awaiting a verdict on what is going to happen
in the Lindsay Clancy trial. The jury has that case
right now. We are tracking the continued case. imminence of
the midterm elections as tomorrow we will enter into September.
(01:03):
It is a late Labor Day this year, but in
many ways, the start of the fall campaign season for
many is often pegged as Labor Day when everybody's back
home from summer vacations and all the kids are going
back into school. Football is returning. Congratulations to those teams
that triumphed in week one. We will have a big
(01:25):
announcement tomorrow about Hard Rock Bet coming on as a
sponsor on this program. Excited about that. But there are
many different things that we will be talking about during
the course of the program today. And I wanted to
start with something that. I think connects many of the
different stories that are going on right now across not
(01:49):
only politics, but pop culture, but sports. And it's the
degree to which so many people out there are getting
so much wrong. I was reading over the weekend, as
I like to do in my print newspapers, and There's
a great editorial in the Wall Street Journal from a
(02:12):
writer named Adrian Norman. And the whole concept of the
article ties in with much of what I have been
thinking and we have been talking about on this program.
The article is entitled Americans Who Find Killing Acceptable. And
in particular, this article says one in six voters. called
(02:34):
the assassination of a health care executive on a public
sidewalk acceptable. You guys know Brian Thompson on a Manhattan sidewalk,
December 4th, 2024. He was in cold blood, murdered by
Luigi Mangione, who has since confessed that he committed this crime.
(02:57):
And Mangione became a hero to many people. There were
lots of people showing up outside of courtroom dressed up.
up as the character Luigi from the Mario and Luigi
Super Mario Brothers video game. There were so many different
places out there where people were celebrating the fact that
this healthcare CEO had been murdered. Also, that has continued.
(03:22):
Just recently, there was an Emerson poll that asked if
Mangione's actions were acceptable or unacceptable. 16.7% of respondents, they said,
that his actions were either completely acceptable or somewhat acceptable.
A similar number of people said that it was okay
(03:44):
to kill Charlie Kirk if you disagreed with his political persuasion.
I want you to think about that for a minute,
because I think it's telling us something very, very dark
about the inner soul of America as we sit here,
somewhere near halfway through 2026. If somewhere in the neighborhood
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of 20%, one in six, one in five, of people
are willing to justify the killing of an innocent dad
on the sidewalk who happens to be a healthcare CEO,
if somewhere around that same number of people are willing
to justify the killing of Charlie Kirk and based on
his political opinions, another dad who was actually just engaging
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almost exactly a year ago at a free speech event.
I think it also ties in with what we have
seen from so many women who have shown up to
cheer Lindsay Clancy as she is arriving at her court
every day. They're cheering her like she is a football team,
(04:54):
and they're there to tailgate and cheer the arrival of
a football team at a stadium. Also, when we look
at all of these different stories, the number of people
out there who are saying, yes, we should cheer men
and women's sports, the best woman is actually a man
(05:14):
pretending to be a woman. What's going on that around
one in five people are on the completely wrong side
of moral-related issues, and their empathy is being channeled in
a direction that's totally different than where it should be.
(05:36):
And in particular, I've been thinking a lot about it
because I can't stop thinking about the Lindsay Clancy case.
I was talking about it over the weekend. I've worked
in criminal law. It's one thing to provide the best
possible defense for a criminal defendant. That is the obligation
that lawyers who do criminal defense work, including me in
(05:58):
the past, take on. That's our job. And if the
lawyer were just showing up and doing his best job
to try to defend Lindsay Clancy of these horrible charges,
I would feel somewhat different. But that's not really what's
going on here. What's going on here is a lot
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of women who have gone to fancy colleges, who have
spent lots of money to be quote unquote educated, are
showing up and cheering Lindsay Clancy as she arrives at court.
And I think largely it's the same people who are
showing up outside of Luigi Mangione's court proceedings and cheering him.
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and the same people who celebrated when Charlie Kirk was assassinated,
and the same people out there who are arguing that
men should be able to play in women's sports. What
you're really seeing that connects all of these different aspects
of American society today is the empathy of so many
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people on the left is being directed in absolutely the
wrong direction. But think about it. I'll use the Lindsey
Clancy case as an example to start, but I'm going
to work through each of them. There were a five-year-old,
a three-year-old, and an eight-month-old choked to death with exercise bands.
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I want you to think about that for a minute.
It's hard to think about, but you should, because it's
important to consider the violent act that is being prosecuted here.
This is not like a movie where you choke somebody
for a few seconds and they die. You sometimes see
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that on television. You actually know what's required in order
to choke those little kids to death. She had to
do it for up to five minutes each. While the
other children were sitting there watching her, Think about those
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little babies, that five-year-old and the three-year-old, how they were
fighting for their life. As Lindsay Clancy choked them to
death with exercise bands after she sent her husband out
to go get food and to pick up prescriptions so
that she could be alone with the kids long enough
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to murder them. This is profoundly evil on a level.
That is hard to even comprehend. Think about how those
little babies. Those little kids. Would have been fighting for
their lives. Kicking their legs. Waving their arms. Staring up
(08:58):
at their mom. As she murdered them. One after the other.
And the reaction. Of people. Around 20% of Americans is
to show up and cheer for her as she shows
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up at the courtroom every day? To all wear the
same color so you know that they're on Team Lindsey Clancy?
How does your empathy not go to those kids? How
does your empathy not go to that dad? And it's
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not just the Lindsey Clancy case. People watched a video
as Luigi Mangione walked up behind a dad on a
sidewalk and shot him from behind in cold blood. Plan
that execution. And people cheered. People watched Charlie Kirk lose
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his life at a free speech event. You could see
it happen in 4K. And people cheered. The data is
reflecting that around 20% of Americans are profoundly, I believe,
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gripped by evil. And we can talk a lot about
what the tax rate should be or about what the
proper immigration policy should be. or what the tariffs should
be on Canada. We can debate all those things in
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our republic. But if 20% of Americans see evil and
put their empathy in the direction of evil, I would
submit to you we have a profound sickness in this
country that is far more significant. than any political division
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over tax or tariff or immigration. I'm profoundly troubled by this.
I spend a lot of time thinking about it. How
have we gotten here? Where a mom murders her three babies,
where two dads get shot in cold blood, one on
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the street, one on a college campus. where the ability
to distinguish between good and evil is lost. Now, it's
lost right now, it seems, largely by people on the
far left. They want many of us dead. They cheer
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when we are murdered. How do we fix this? How
do we create a society where if we're going to
be giving empathy, which is a very kind and generous
thing to be giving to people, that the empathy goes
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to actual victims, not to those engaging in evil. Now,
I open up phone lines 800-282-2882, but a concern that
I have is if we've got around 20% of people
that are now Empathizing, sympathizing, supporting evil. What if that
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is spreading? And that is my concern, that it is.
What is causing that spread? How did we get here
to a place where in Massachusetts women are dressing up
in identical clothing so that they can cheer a mother out?
who choked to death with exercise bands, her five-year-old, her three-year-old,
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and her eight-month-old. How in any world that is just
does anyone on the planet consider her to be the
victim and put their empathy and their sympathy in her
direction in the same way that we saw with Luigi Mangione,
in the same way that we saw with Charlie Kirk's,
(13:35):
I believe, clear killer, Tyler Robinson. How many people's brains
are broken and filled with evil, and how do we
fix it? That's a big question, and it's something that
I spend a lot of time on. We'll open up
your phone lines. You guys can react to 800-282-2882. Not
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exactly a super buoyant open, but something that I have
spent a lot of time thinking about in a very
significant way. The American heart, I believe, has darkened. How
do we fix it? Batavia, Illinois, little town far west
of Chicago. 2.40 a.m. in the morning, a woman sees
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a flashlight in a shadow outside her window. Police say
the man in her backyard was a registered sex offender.
A military court convicted him in 2024. He had taken
a sailor's key card, let himself into her bedroom, watched
her sleep. He'd never met the woman. He saw her
on social media, researched her, and found her home address. Researched.
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sounded so good. Clay and Buck owning the airwaves. Welcome
back in Clay and Buck. We've got a lot of
people who want to weigh in on the phones. I
will get to that at the bottom of the hour.
You can also send talkbacks 800-282-2882. And I want to
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thank all of you who are now watching us on YouTube.
We continue to set new records. We had what 20,000 people,
I think on Friday, uh, watched the YouTube live stream,
which is a pinprick of the number of people that
are listening right now on all 550 stations out there,
and also the number of you that will ultimately end
(16:30):
up podcasting this program. But it is going to skyrocket,
I think, very quickly, and soon we will be in
the hundreds of thousands a day who are streaming this
show live. So if you haven't already, YouTube, you can
also see it at Sport and State. I want to
ask you this question. Why is it women? Why is
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it overwhelmingly women that are on the wrong sides of
these empathy decisions when they decide who the victim is?
I don't think there's a man in America. who is saying, hey,
Lindsey Clancy is the real victim here. She can't be
held responsible. I don't think there's a man in America
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that would show up outside of a dad's trial who
had murdered all three of his kids and cheer like
he was the starting quarterback on the football team showing
up for a game this weekend. It's not happening to men.
Why is it happening to women? That's who these 20% are,
which is scary. Most of the people who were fangirling
(17:37):
out over Luigi Mangione, women. Most of the people, all
the ones that I've seen saying Lindsay Clancy is the
real victim here, women. The people largely who celebrated Charlie
Kirk's murder, women. Now, there are some men too, but
it seems to be women particularly that are being led
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We have got loaded lines on our calls. For the
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you can pull it back up. We have got a
couple of guests coming your way. Ben Spell of Good Ranchers,
our friend Frank Siller of Tunnels to Towers will also
be with us. The jury deliberation continuing in the Lindsay
Clancy case, the longer it goes on, the less confidence
I have that they're going to find her guilty. Nine women,
(19:27):
three men on that jury. What are the chances that
some of the men on that jury are trying to
explain why Lindsay Clancy's actions are not those of someone
who is insane? I think likely. Also, I'm going to...
(19:49):
keep hammering this because many members of state legislatures and
many of you out there are on Senate staffs and
House of Republican staffs. And some of you are in
the White House right now. Why can we not have
strict liability on the murder of children? It's a very
(20:11):
simple question that no one can give me a good
answer to. And if you don't know what strict liability
offenses are, I have talked about them quite a bit
on this program. But an easy example is if you
sleep with a minor, right? If you're 20 and you
sleep with a 17-year-old in some states, that's a crime
(20:32):
and you can't defend yourself. Now, we can argue about
whether in that particular situation that should be a crime.
But that is the law. There is no defense when
you commit an act such as that because we believe
that children should be protected from adults. Why in the
(20:53):
world is it not a strict liability offense if you
murder a child? There should be no defense whatsoever for you.
And let me just also point out that many people
out there who commit murders, probably the vast majority... have
mental health-related issues. So for all the women, I'm sure
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we're going to get angry emails, because even in this audience,
there are some women who say, she should never be
held responsible for her acts. Do you know how stressful
it is to have children? Do you know how sad
it can make some of us? I don't care. You
know how sad it makes me to know that a five-year-old,
a three-year-old, and an eight-month-old are dead? That's where my
empathy goes. Not for the mommy who was too sad,
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for the kids that don't get to live anymore. Sorry.
We all have to make choices in where we give
our empathy. My empathy goes to the dad who went
to go pick up food and came home and his
kids were all murdered. That's the parent who deserves empathy,
not the mom who happened to be sad. And I
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don't know, people are afraid to even say that. Oh, well,
you're not considering enough. I don't care about her.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
She choked her children to death with exercise bands for
minutes as they struggled for their own lives. I don't
care how tough her life might be. She should be
in prison for the rest of her life. And frankly,
she should be put to death, in my opinion. And
(22:32):
I don't even typically like the death penalty because we
don't all the time have certainty on people who are
convicted of crimes. As a lawyer, there are some cases
that I look at and I say, man, I'm not
sure that beyond a reasonable doubt that person did the crime.
She's admitting that she did the crime. There is no
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dispute about who killed the kids. In cases such as these,
I think it should be an immediate death penalty. By
the way, what is the goal here? My own wife
asked me that question. I think it's a good one.
She's going to reenter society? Oh, we're going to give
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her a lot of drugs and she's not going to
be insane anymore? Well, if she's not insane anymore and
she comes to sanity, she should not want to live
because she killed her three kids. A million dollars on GoFundMe,
by the way, for this crazy murderer. Again, the toxic
(23:36):
empathy here overwhelmingly going to the wrong individuals. It frankly
makes me sick. A lot of you want to react.
Patty in Connecticut, what you got for us?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Thank you. Thank you. I would like to respond, and
I know for the sake of time I'm going to
go wide. I think we should do so that this never,
ever happens in this country ever again. I think we
should look at the health care system for psychiatry. I
think there were 12 to 13 different physicians who were
prescribing for them, may not have even been aware of
what the other physicians were prescribing. And I think that
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when they dispense the drugs, especially if it comes from
one's pharmacy, they know these drugs are only put out
at one or two at a time and that there's
very careful putting them on slowly and removing them even slower.
So there's specific things that ease these drugs interactions with
each other. I think they should put a registered nurse
in a home where the mother is not well, feeling
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she's having a depression, but whatever she's having, because she
will assess her from a medical point of view. If
they want to put her with a DCF worker, put
the registered nurse in there. I think the pharmacies should
assess before they put out 12 or 13 medications to
a person, the other medications that they're on. And if
there's multiple physicians, Usually when they go on this, I
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worked for someone in an OBGYN office. They monitored these
people enormously, brought them in the office, how they were feeling,
very close assessments. They just didn't put them on them
and let them go home. This is absolutely horrifying. This
should never happen again. We cannot even imagine what these
children experience. The mother putting all these drugs together, we
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don't know how the body metabolizes these drugs together. They
were meant to be taken 12 or 13 at a time.
We need to scrutinize the psychiatric department for follow-up, for
follow-up with the psychiatrist, follow-up in the person's home to
see what's going on so that no child is ever
put in an unsafe home where they will have to
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endure medication. Such a horrifying thing. I can't even imagine
the fear and terror in them as this happened to them.
This is unbelievable, sir. And I think what it relates
to is how we are managing these drugs. I recently
saw something outstanding. I will try and get the link
and send it to you from a doctor who prescribes these.
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The meticulous care, the meticulous follow-up. We need to be
careful of what drugs we're putting together. We need to
be careful of how these patients are responding to them,
what is going on in the home. And these children, someone,
an adult somewhere, should have never have left these children
alone with the mother.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Thank you for the call. Look, there's so much in
there to unpack. I do think that one of the
big flaws that no one wants to address is how
overmedicated kids and young people in particular are in America today.
And all of the different drug cocktails that we are
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throwing into so many different of these kids' bodies. And
what it's doing to them. And have you guys read
some of the studies on what happens when you try
to stop taking these drugs? I am old school. I
get made fun of. I don't even like to take Tylenol.
I want my body to be able to handle everything.
(27:10):
I'm not saying certainly that I'm some sort of avatar
of health, but I don't want to put into my
body drugs that I have to constantly be cycling through.
And I think her call makes a tremendously important point.
So many of these drugs interplaying with each other. What
is the impact? What does it do to you? Some
(27:32):
of you have seen friends and family on so many
of these different medications and just seen the life sort
of sucked out of their eyes. You know what I'm
talking about? When you see someone and they just have
dead eyes, there is, I think, this has always been
my take, I think we could wipe out 75% of
(27:53):
all prescription drugs use in America, and I actually think
as a society we'd be healthier. Somewhat controversial, I understand.
Some of you are going to disagree with that. I
think if we wiped out 75% of all drug use, we,
in general, would be healthier. I'm talking about for young people, right?
For people who are getting older, blood pressure, cholesterol, all
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these things, if you're over 70, there is a different
calculus involved. But the fact that huge percentages of 14-year-olds
in this country are on medicines that they take daily...
It's crazy to me. Deb in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, what you
got for me?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Driving down the road, I'm hearing you talk about this
gal that, you know, that killed these kids. And so
much came to my mind because I am that person
over 70.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
But I also.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Think about even abortion. But to think that what prompted
this woman, whether it was drugs, postpartum, you know, all
of that. Our society, like you said, 20% of these,
our society is standing up for people who are murdering,
outright murdering. It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. And my take,
(29:14):
when you said, how can we fix this? Well, I
am a person of faith. I wasn't always a person
of strong faith. It happened as I got older. But
I do believe that the power of prayer and that
God's could turn things around. But I also believe that
it does start in the home. And this is what's
(29:34):
going on with social media and parents that are broken up.
and not together. There's so much out there that affects
our young kids and affects all adults. And I think
what you do is fantastic. I'm all about the talk
shows that are positive and trying to help people think
(29:58):
about what is the right thing to do and what
direction we really should go. And I commend you guys
for that.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Thank you for listening, Deb. And thank you for that call.
I think she's right. There's a great line out there,
and I'm paraphrasing it. You may not be religious yourself,
but the decline of religion in this country is going
to impact your life in a major way. Because whatever
religion you are following, certainly if it's Judeo-Christian, is about
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trying to make in some way yourself better and the
world better, right? It's an aspirational goal to reach out
to others and uplift. And I don't think it's coincidental
that we're losing our moral centering, particularly for those 20%
of people, because they don't have a foundation of Western
(30:54):
civilization or values. This is a big take. I got
to go to Italy. You guys heard me talk about
it some. I'd never been to Italy. I went a
couple of years ago. I couldn't stop thinking about, as
you and my kids were like, not another cathedral, dad.
But from a historic perspective, the metaphor of all of
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these communities wanting to build these spectacular cathedrals, and you
might work in one corner of that cathedral and for
your entire life just to create something beautiful. Think about
that for a minute. I couldn't stop thinking about that concept. Hey,
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you're a great sculptor. You're a great painter. You're a
great architect. Whatever your skill might be, we're bringing it
to bear to try to build a great cathedral that
is better than any other cathedral anywhere in the world.
And your particular individual role might be you just work
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on this one corner of that cathedral for your whole
life and to undertake building projects that would not be
finished in the life of anyone that was involved in it.
It teaches you that you are a small part of
something much larger and that you're all speaking a common language.
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the language of Western civilization, in particular in Italy, the
language of the Bible, right? Every mosaic, every sculpture, everyone
would have understood what that represented. They all spoke the
common language of faith. It, to me, is not a
coincidence that speaking that common language of faith lifted Western
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Europe above anywhere else in the world and created... the
world that we now all are fortunate enough to live in.
Western civilization turns out a really good thing. Even saying
that is considered controversial. Well, do you know what some
of those people in Western civilization did? They had slaves.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
All throughout human history, all humans have had slaves or
been slaves. Every single one of you listening to me
right now Your ancestors either owned slaves or were slaves,
almost assuredly both. All of this adding up together, it
tells a different profound story that, frankly, I don't think
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young kids today are being instructed in. And if you
do not have that foundation, I think you can be
led towards evil. The mom who murdered her three kids
is the victim. The 26-year-old good-looking guy that pulls out
a gun and kills the CEO. And oh, by the way,
don't even get me started on all the lies that
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have been told about the crazy left-wing activist who killed
Charlie Kirk at a free speech event. I'm fired up.
I'll take some more of your calls. I want to
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Fire away.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Hello.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Hello. I'm going to touch the third rail here. And
everything is a bell curve. Of course, not every woman
is like this. But the fact is, we men are
genetically programmed to protect and create a bubble of safety.
The women, by their nature, live in that bubble and
have no idea what it takes for safety. So they
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make decisions based on a bubble that they live in
without regard to how it puts them in danger.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Thank you for the call. Buck has talked about this
a little bit, that the general woman, the average woman,
does not have experience with a great deal of violence.
That's why I think it's important to focus on exactly
what happened here. She choked those babies to death for
minutes with an exercise band.
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