April 7, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show is almost entirely focused on the escalating standoff between President Donald Trump and Iran, framed around an imminent 8:00 p.m. Eastern deadline that could determine whether negotiations continue or whether major U.S. military escalation follows. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton analyze Trump’s warning that Iran’s “civilization” could effectively end if its leadership refuses to comply with U.S. demands, particularly reopening the Strait of Hormuz and conceding on its nuclear program. The hosts explain that this hour centers on geopolitics, national security, global energy markets, and domestic political fallout, making it one of the most consequential foreign policy hours of the program to date.
Throughout Hour 1, Clay and Buck break down Trump’s negotiating strategy with Iran, emphasizing his use of maximal pressure and rhetorical brinkmanship to extract leverage. They argue that Trump’s threats are designed to terrify Iranian leadership into compliance rather than signal an uncontrolled rush toward wider war. A major focus is the strategic importance of the Strait of Hormuz, which Iran has refused to reopen despite proposals for a temporary ceasefire. The hosts stress that the Strait is the critical choke point for global oil supply, and its continued closure threatens massive economic consequences, including higher gas prices, inflation, and rising consumer costs in the U.S. and worldwide. They repeatedly note that Trump’s top objective appears to be reopening the Strait to stabilize global energy markets, especially in an election year.
Hour 1 also examines the military realities already on the ground. Buck Sexton outlines how U.S. forces have effectively dismantled Iran’s air defenses, navy, and senior military leadership, achieving near-total air dominance. The discussion highlights the decapitation of Iranian command structures, the use of precision strikes, and the removal of advanced surface-to-air missile systems. Clay and Buck debate what an acceptable “off-ramp” might look like for Trump—one that allows him to declare victory, prevent further escalation, and avoid a prolonged conflict—while acknowledging that Iran’s leadership may feel cornered and unwilling to concede.
Domestic politics loom large in Hour 1 as well. The hosts react sharply to Democratic lawmakers calling for the 25th Amendment to remove President Trump over the Iran conflict, singling out Rep. Ro Khanna’s comments as unserious and hypocritical, especially after Democrats defended President Joe Biden during his cognitive decline. Clay and Buck argue that these calls reflect a broader pattern of political opportunism rather than genuine constitutional concern. They warn that Democrats are positioning the Iran conflict as a political weapon and predict future attempts at war-crimes accusations or legal retaliation against Trump administration officials.
The hour also touches on internal governance and personnel issues within the Trump administration. Buck Sexton emphasizes the idea that “personnel is policy,” criticizing past leadership choices at the Department of Justice and arguing that effectiveness, speed, and competence matter more than decorum in moments of national crisis. The discussion broadens into a critique of Washington’s legal and political establishment, with both hosts arguing that entrenched elites resist real structural reform and underestimate how little time any president has to enact lasting change.
In the final segment of Hour 1, the hosts address listener questions about why the U.S. cannot simply seize the Strait of Hormuz or Iran’s oil infrastructure outright. Clay and Buck explain the practical and strategic dangers, noting that guaranteeing tanker security is nearly impossible without a full-scale ground invasion, which neither Trump nor the American public wants. They also highlight a largely underreported moment of cooperation, crediting Israel for putting boots on the ground to assist in rescuing a U.S. servicemember, underscoring the depth of U.S.-Israel military coordination during the crisis.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody to the Tuesday edition of the Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Much to discuss with all
of you. We have, of course, the deadline of eight
Eastern time tonight for Iran. They either concede to the
Trump administration demands or Trump will unleash hell. In fact,
(00:23):
what he has said, more specifically is he is going
to uh well go after them in a very big way,
including civilian infrastructure things like power. So he is turning
up the heat considerably for the regime to open the
straight and concede to demands about the nuclear program. We
(00:46):
will discuss that of course today get into some of
those details. JD vance in Hungary, place that has gotten
a lot of attention in conservative circles for years now
because it is a country under the Orbon government at
least that had taken on some particularly social conservative policies
in the past. We'll have some highlights of what JD
(01:10):
said there, and we've also got some updates on the
Artemis two program. Talking about the spaceship or we call
it a shuttle, I guess a ship. It's both really
either one works, it's a ship, It's it's not a
UFO it's a space ship. It's a shuttle that works.
We'll talk about Artemis two, what that means, and the
future of space exploration and space commercialization. But something that
(01:35):
I just wanted to throw into the mix. Yesterday, Trump revealed,
we didn't get to this. This is cut six clay
before we talk about where this is all going with Iran.
I feel like we're all the whole world, in a sense,
is waiting to see what happens with this negotiation. There's
a there's a big red line that Trump has drawn here.
(01:55):
But in advance of that, something we didn't get to
you yesterday. We wanted to do this cut six. Trump
said that Kim Jong un had a very particular word
that he used for Joe Biden. This has cut six.
Listen to this.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
To protect them from North Korea. We have forty five
thousand soldiers in South Korea to protect us from Kim
Jong un, who I get along with very well, as
you know. Do you notice he said very nice things
about me. He used to call Joe Biden a mentally
retarded person. Okay, so don't tell me about your stuff.
(02:29):
Joe Biden said he's a mentally retarded person. He was
so nasty to Joe Biden was terrible. But to me,
he likes Trump. And do you notice how nice things
are with North Goads very nice Clay.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So, put aside what one thinks of Kim Jong Owen
saying this about Biden, I would say this, most people
that I speak to and that I see weighing in
on this Iran war, they really are just their faith
is in Trump to bring it across the finish line
and end this thing before. There's a lot of downside
(03:03):
that we feel in this country, and our allies feel
a lot more than what we've already witnessed for sure.
And it's worth noting that Joe Biden was the commander
in chief, at least technically for four years, somebody not
of sound mind and completely incapable and not even intelligent,
particularly at all before his dementia set in. So I
(03:25):
think this is one way of saying, you can trust
in Trump on this one and see how he brings
this thing through. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Look, first of all, I didn't think they would have
the gall anyone to say, oh, we've got a twenty
fifth amendment him now, after for four years they let
Joe Biden bumble and stumble his way around, and we're
even willing to accede to his ability to run for reelection,
which is even crazier. Look, Trump is bombastic. He is
(03:57):
often outrageous in many of his public pronouncements on social media.
I thought we were past the point buck of people
losing their minds over Trump's social media posts, but evidently
we are not. And so he threatened and has set
an eight pm deadline, And as part of that deadline,
(04:19):
he is basically threatened to in the civilization of Iran,
which is the quote.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
This is what I was looking for. Trump warns Iran
quote whole civilization will die end quote if deadline not met.
That's pretty intense. That's intense, but it's also very Trumpian.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And so I look, Trump is going to, I believe,
take this aggressively in in in the up to and
including potentially extending this deadline.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
We will see.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I think we are going to get some form of
resolution sooner rather than later, because I think Trump has
decided that he is in favor of getting the straight
of horror moves open and believes that he can negotiate
with the existing Iranian leaders. I think that's where his
game plan is, and he is trying to, in the meantime,
(05:11):
extract the maximum amount of negotiating leverage that he can.
And he knows that all of the Iranians monitor every
single thing that he says on social media, and that's
what this story is. So I just sometimes buck am befuddled.
I would understand if this were still twenty sixteen and
(05:32):
Trump had only been a political figure for a year
and people were still trying to grapple and figure out
exactly what the intent of these messages is. But the
intent is quite clear. It is that he is going
to try to get maximum negotiation leverage. Now, the argument
I think you can make against this is not that
(05:55):
Trump is going to suddenly start nuclear war or something
like that. It's that by making all of these outlandish
threats that he actually doesn't gain that much negotiating leverage,
or as much as he thinks he does, because he's
been doing it for a decade.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Now. That's to me the counter don't I don't see
Iran bending the knee right now over this. I just
don't see it happening. That's just my prediction. I could
be wrong. They've gotten at some point. I think the
regime feels like, well, what do we have left to lose?
And I think the answer is they aren't. They think
(06:36):
that they are in a backed into a corner and
do anything they can now to and they'll suffer through anything.
They have already rejected yesterday a temporary cease fire that
was offered if they would just open the strait of
horror moves and the Iranians, Clay, this has been in
every analysis, whether you're writing a grad school paper or
(06:59):
you're the most deep dark bowels of the Pentagon UH
strategy files, everyone knows the straight of horm moves is
a strategic choke point for global oil UH and and
that's just that's what Iran has been really holding over
the world for a long time, more than anything else,
more more even, I think, in some ways than the
(07:19):
threat of a nuclear program, because it's all we know
they can do this, and we know that this is
something that can start to have major economic impact. So
Iran said no to that. And now the the Iranian regime,
to the degree that we can get insight into this,
the state of the negotiations, they want a permanent ceasefire,
(07:42):
they want full sanctions relief, and they are not willing
to make any nuclear or other concessions. So the Iranians
are taking a pretty hard line negotiating posture at this
point in response to where we are, you know, hitting
critical infant structure. If that is where Trump goes with
(08:03):
this When he said like we're gonna what is it just,
you know, annihilate your civilization or something like that, that
can actually backfire on you a bit, because then the
people of Iran start to say, well, hold on a second,
why are we all being punished? They know it's not us.
That's a consideration that I know that Trump and the
team have, but it's a big one to work through.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah. Look, I mean the quote is a whole civilization
will die tonight, which is so cinematic and apocalyptic. I
read that as I will kill a lot of the
Iranian leaders. And you should be aware that your civilization
is going to cease to exist, meaning the way that
(08:47):
you run Iran is going to cease to exist regardless.
The goal is to terrify people in Iran that are
still in power that if they are in any way
recalcitrant when it comes to negotiating with President Trump, that
there will be consequences and Look, what did we say
(09:09):
Buck a couple of weeks ago. To me, the off
ramp here is the challenging part. I don't think there's
any doubt that we have severely curtailed and diminished Iron's
ability to in any way inflict harm upon anyone in
the Middle East or around the world. I think you
would have to be a moron to argue against that.
(09:31):
So the question is to what extent is there an
off ramp here where Trump can claim, Hey, we have
reached a resolution, We've reached a cinematic conclusion in a
way that he is able to declare victory and walk away.
To me, that is the question of what is what
(09:53):
is that off ramp What to him is a victory
that he can claim the straight up horror moves being reopened,
obviously is a very tangible one. The price of oil
and gas would drop overnight, probably thirty dollars and get
us back down close to where we were before this
all started. So I don't know that Iran, to your point,
is willing to give that at this point. So what
(10:16):
kind of negotiating victory is out there on the table
that the president can take. By the way, Trump is
very good at going out and claiming victory even when
it's not necessarily a transcendent victory. Right, So I think
there are probably off ramps that Trump can take that
(10:37):
would allow him to say, we have chained our objectives.
Now it's time to ramp down everything that's been going
on in Iran.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Well, what he really wants is this straight to reopen,
which has been made clear by his truth social posts
and everybody can see that. And that's because of the
economic impact on the global oil markets, which has an
enormous possibility at least of affecting domestic politics here at
home in an election year. Because remember, the price shock
(11:05):
can be a little delayed from all of this too.
I know we're seeing prices rise already, but it could
be there are things like you know, Amazon, I think
is even raising its prices on some vendors because of
the increase in oil, right for Yes, doing fulfillment for
them and products. Fifty of oil globally, something like fifty
(11:28):
percent is not used to go into vehicles and for transport.
It's actually used in products. So a lot of things
that you buy are petroleum based products, and those prices
over time will also rise from all of this. So
this is this is about Iran trying to use economic
pain as its leverage to get Trump to back off,
(11:50):
and Trump just continuing to pound the Iranian military and
let's be honest, the Iranian infrastructure. Now, if that's what
he does US tonight and say have you had enough?
Have you had enough punishment? I'm not sure that the
answer to that, Clay is going to be yes. Yeah,
these people are wacko. I mean the ones calling the
(12:12):
shots here there there. I know we've said all, we've
taken out so much of their leadership. Yeah, but even
the second rung of leadership there, it's not good.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Well, they're kind of in a tough spot, right because
if you are too conciliatory with the United States at
this point, you might get killed in Iran. Right, So
we talk about between a rock and a hard place.
If you're too aggressive with the US, we take you out.
If you're too conciliatory with the US, then Iran takes
you out. So you you want to talk about the
(12:43):
delicate dance that Iranian leadership that is trying to govern
this country has to follow right now, that is quite difficult.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I think. I think right now, the if there's an
eleventh hour deal, which we are We are now less
than eight hours away from the deadline hitting here. If
there's an a eleventh hour deal, Clay, I think it
will be Iran has agreed to a temporary cease fire
and the opening of the Strait with nuclear negotiations and
other concessions to follow, and that would be what it looks.
(13:12):
It will not be an ad They will not do
an abject surrender, but if they give Trump the straight
of horm moves, that will be enough to avoid the
end of their civilization strike that is supposed to come tonight. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I would also say the straight of Horror moves can
be a trust but verify situation. That's very easy to test.
If Iran says the Straight of Horror Moves is open,
now we're going to allow a transit and it doesn't occur,
then you have a pretty good sign that you've been
lied to. There's an easy test scenario. Now the challenge
is you have to convince some of these ship owners
(13:47):
that have loaded up their ships with oil. I mean, buck,
would you want to be on one of those ships
right now? Would you want to be in the straight
of Horror moves? On a completely like million.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Would be a very a very large personal check to
me to get me to go ride might be.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
A little hard to sleep if you're on the illustraate
of more movies.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So being on an oil tanker that gets hit by
a missile would be really that's a really bad place
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(16:27):
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You said, I voted in twenty twenty four. And then
this is Marjorie Taylor Green's congressional seat that she abandoned,
and Clay Fuller is running as the Republican to take
(16:51):
it back. And this is for a relatively short term, buck,
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Speaker 1 (17:12):
They always do.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
The media always treats the special elections as a substantial referendum, Buck,
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having a they're having a rough one. Their numbers aren't good,
and so they need to get their base fired up
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for twenty fifth amendmenting Donald Trump over the Iran war.
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into Clay and Buck. So we got the big deadline tonight.
This is heavy stuff, everybody. We have blown up thousands
and thousands of targets inside of Iran, have completely taken
out their main their navy, their air defense. Who knows
(19:22):
how many ground unit targets we've hit. I mean the
Pentagon does, but it's a lot. The I believe they
used some Chinese made essentially shoulder fire man pads manpad.
I know a lot of your military you know better
than I do. But for anyone else, manned portable air
(19:42):
defense system with a little shoulder fired rocket, think a
little bit like the Stinger missiles from Charlie Wilson's War
made them really famous. I think they took down one
of our planes with a man pad. So there's a
lot of those that they've deployed as a additional tier
of air defense. But that's that's not what we were
(20:03):
initially worried about. Initially, it would have been things like
the Russian what the S three hundred, s five hundred
surface to air missile systems, those are all gone. Basically,
we've taken all those out, so we have total air
dominance and get hit whatever targets including This is where
Clay has been additionally impressive, fearsome and impressive, which is
(20:24):
the ability to find and take out their human you know,
senior human targets, you know, taking people off the battlefield
here who are in the military chain of command, the
political chain of command there you to do so seemingly
at will. Certainly in the early days of the conflict,
I mean that initial strike which really just decapitated the
Iranian regimes, senior leadership in one Fell Swoop was It's
(20:49):
an incredible hit. And so all that's gone on. But
but now what is the huge question? We have this
deadline looming and Democrats are already smelling blood the water
on this whole thing. Politically, they just want Trump gone.
And I want to say this, Clay, We're gonna talk
about this a lot, so I don't want to divert this,
but if you want to weigh on this too, of course,
by all means, man, Guys, when the Democrats get any
(21:12):
power back, you're it's gonna they're gonna go completely insane.
Just be prepared for I just want you to be
prepared for that. Now, maybe it's the midterms, maybe it's not,
maybe it's the twenty eight election. But whenever you have
Democrats that have some real power again, good lord, they
are going to be insane and they're gonna settle scores
and they're gonna be vicious. So just we all need
(21:33):
to get prepared for that reality, right, I mean, I think.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
We're we're going to be If you think that that
Trump has been aggressive on his critics and by the way,
hardly anything's happened to any of them. Democrats don't make threats,
they actually take action.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
They were willing to Trump talk to all the non
violent J six people.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yes, yes, I mean they they put thousands of people
in prison for what was the total number? I mean,
like over one thousand J six ers went to prison,
didn't they And some of them were kept in solitary
confinement for years.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Years.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
We used to have Julie Kelly on talking about this
all the time. Who is a Trump critic that has
had anything at all other than better media access? Like
every time Trump comes after anybody, they make more money
and they get they become like a superstar on the left.
(22:37):
I mean, Jimmy Kimmel, Don Lemon, I mean, nothing happens
to any of these guys.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I support the Trump twenty four agenda with with everything
I got it so does play and he really every
It was so what was needed in the moment, and
such an enormous political win. But now we're in it,
my friends, Now we're in the game. And it's not
a game. It's deadly serious. But we're in the midst
of the execution phase of the Trump agenda, and there's
(23:07):
been some really good stuff. But you know, don't make
Christy Nome heead of DHS, and don't make Pam Bondi
the head of the Department of Justice. Okay, people are
asking me, I get this all the time. When are
the you know, the so and so prosecution's going to start,
you know? Or when when is there going to be
accountability for filling something? And I say, that's a DOJ issue.
(23:29):
You know, I'm not the attorney general. I think I
probably would have been a better attorney general than Pambondi.
But put that aside. I'm not the attorney I do
not even have a law degree. I'm not the Attorney General, Clay,
neither of you. This is this is why personnel is policy.
This is why it really matters you have in charge. Now.
I do have a lot of faith in Mark or Rubio,
and events I think have have bolstered and supported that.
(23:52):
I do have a lot of faith in Pete hag
Seth and some of the other senior members of the
Trump team that are trying to figure out not just
national security broadly, but this issue of Iran and what's
going on here. And we judge them by results, though,
and we have to see what happens with this red
line on the other side of things these Democrats. You
got Rocana, I wanted to just McLay. You can react
(24:14):
to this. Rokanna says, it's time and this is what
I meant about the lunacy of Democrats when they're back
in power, it's just going to be everything we've seen before.
Rokanna says, twenty fifth Amendment. Time for Donald Trump because
of Iran Play thirty two.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
If the United States Congress has any life left in it,
every member of Congress and senator must be calling for
Trump's removal today based on the twenty fifth Amendment. He's
threatening the entire destruction of a civilization. He is calling
Iranian's animals. He is showing a total disregard for the
humanity of people in Iran and Gaza in Cuba. This
(24:52):
is a moral crime, it is a war crime. We
need to be demanding that Congress convened today and we
need to be invoking twenty fifth Amendment.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Hey, real Clay. On the one hand, On the one hand, yes,
crazy talk, and they're not going to vote the twenty
fifth Amendment is On the other hand, Democrats are going
to bring war crime prosecutions against people in this administration.
I really do believe that I think they're going to
if they can, if they if they have the if
they can, you know, run the if they can't run
the clock out before it, I think that they'll go
(25:21):
after people.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I went off on this on Jesse Waters Show last night.
I'm sorry anyone. I really thought buck that there would
be too much shame to go twenty fifth Amendment again.
They went twenty fifth Amendment in the first term for Trump.
Then Joe Biden was an actual dementia patient for four years.
(25:44):
We called it the Weekend at Bernie's presidency, and they
tried to run Weekend at Bernie's two And if you
were in the Democrat Party, and I think there was
only one guy, right the Minnesota congressman that everybody forgot
that ran for president against him, And how the rally
that nobody showed up for in New Hampshire that was
like that which.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Made us talk about it because we felt bad for him.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
And I've already forgotten that guy's name. He was the
only Democrat who said Joe Biden isn't up for being
president of the United States. Rokanna didn't come out and say, hey,
we've got a twenty fifth Amendment. Joe Biden, which probably
in any of the lives of people listening today, is
the only time when the twenty fifth Amendment has really
(26:27):
been justified.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Trump just did.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
An hour and fifteen minute press conference yesterday answering questions
from everybody under the sun. Now, you may not agree
with him that this is what I was going to
ask you, Buck, So any Democrat who mentions the twenty
fifth Amendment for Trump, I just immediately toss on the
dumpster fire of stupidity and say I can't take anything
(26:50):
you say seriously because you covered up for Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Deem Phillips. Wow, Phillips, there's a throwback for you.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
If Dean Phillips wants to call for Trump to be
twenty fifth amendmented, I would not agree with him, but
I would at least say, you know what, you called
out Joe Biden and said he wasn't up for the job,
and now you're calling out Trump. At least there's some
consistency there, Buck, other than we've now got like six
and we got ten full years of Trump as a
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political figure, ten years plus and we've got now going
on six years of him in office. Other than other
than what like the immediate aftermath of COVID coming right March,
We're gonna have the whatever number of days to stop
the spread. And Trump eventually righted that wrong. Can you
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think of anything that Trump has done that has been
truly consequentially wrong for the country. I mean, as an
executive making choices. I'm not saying you agree with everything
that he did, but you go back. Most people would
go back now and say, hey, the Iraq War was
a mistake. George W. Bush, we shouldn't have spent trillions
(28:02):
of dollars on that. I think almost everybody would have
other than the immediate response to COVID back in March
of twenty twenty, in nearly six years, is there anything
you can point to and say, you know, you might
not like a higher but that Trump one hundred percent
got wrong other than early COVID.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I can't. On policy. Not only has he been unimportant policy,
not only has Trump been consistently right and proven right
by events, He's been right even when he has gone
and maybe more so than ever when he has gone
against GOP orthodoxy, like on the trade issue, for example.
(28:40):
So that's a perfect I think, or on RENEGO. Well,
this is tied into trade, but renegotiating NAFTA, which a
lot of Republicans are I can't do that. I was gonna.
Uh No, he was right. He was right and they
were wrong. Oh, you can't agitate China. No, he was
right and they were wrong. So on those things, Trump's
biggest mistakes, I think, have been and he admits this.
So anyone who's like you, dare no, Trump knows this.
(29:01):
His biggest mistakes term one were personnel related, and his
personnel has gotten a lot better. But I think because
of the four prosecutions that he faced and all the
people who really turned on him, loyalty was even more
elevated in his mind as necessary for his agenda in
the second term, and some of that I think, unfortunately
(29:24):
was not lined up with key competence at the highest
level in a couple and this is why he's removing people.
By the way, I completely disagree with anyone who's saying, oh,
I mean, well, no one's really saying that about DHS anymore.
That's a sad that's actually a sad situation. With the
sad situation, and you know my feelings about Nome's public
life or known de ever on the show, you know
(29:46):
some of us see things before they happen, but that's okay.
But I actually feel badly now because the personal dynamic
and everything else. Pam Bondi, I think from I don't know,
her seems just like a lovely person and a patriot
and great. I just think you needed a pit bull
at the top of DOJ. You needed a pit bull.
You know, she's like, she's like a lovely like a
(30:07):
lovely Golden Retriever.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I love Golden Retrievers. I just don't want a Golden
Retriever running DJ. I think that's well said. I would
just add this on the Bondi front. You can have
a Golden Retriever as the front facing object of the
of the administration to me for the DOJ, for instance,
but you have to be the best damn communicator on
(30:30):
the planet. And she wasn't good at that, right, And
then you have pit bulls underneath that are actually.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
The number two wags. You need a wags, yes.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
And so, but she wasn't even a good communicator. That
was what was super frustrating to me about her tenure
with the DOJ.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
She created a.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Lot of messes and and look, I mean, you got
to break a lot of things inside of the DOJ.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, and you needed to be willing to mobilize quickly
and handle these things efficiently, getting it right, but getting
it right last or getting it right too late not
good enough in this way. Well, guys, it's April. We're
running out of time.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Here's the other thing about lawyers, and I say this
as a lawyer. They may have political opinions, but they're
all cash in big checks and really it's one big club.
I mean, they're making thousands of dollars an hour. And
you might ostensibly be a Republican and you might ostensibly
be a Democrat, but there's a lot of cross pollination
(31:32):
there and both sides are getting really rich. This is
where Trump got the swamp right. And I don't think
this is my opinion as a lawyer. I don't think
there are very many lawyers that actually really want to
draw too much attention to themselves. They want to be
able to go across both party lines because they don't
(31:53):
know who's going to be president. Four years in Washington
is the snap of a fingers. And some of you
recognize this now, the older you get. I mean, Buck,
this is where I know you make fun of kings
and everything else. But I would argue one of the
biggest challenges we have in this country is eight years.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
It's hard to.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Fix a lot, even if you have a truly excellent president.
Eight years passes in the blink of an eye. Seems
like a long time when you're a kid, seems like
a long time when you're a teenager. You get into
your thirties, forties, and fifties, and beyond, eight years, like
you look over your shoulder in the time has passed.
And I think one of the things Trump is trying
(32:31):
to do is he recognizes how little time he has
left in office, and he's trying to fix everything, whether
it's the structure of the White House or who's in
charge in Iran, Venezuela and Cuba. If anything, his sin
is overreached trying to fix so much because he's concerned
that we're going to get another Joe Biden like figure
back in the White House at some point in the future,
(32:53):
and he's trying to go ahead and correct all the
issues that he saw from Biden, but that he knows
they're going to follow him inevitably.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
That's what I think.
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So hang with me and I will go to you
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one of our listeners in Salt Lake City, he's got
a question that a lot of people have been asking,
and I wanted to play it for you.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Cut d listen, how.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Come Trump to just take over the straight and the
oil supply as well? He talked about it a long
time ago with that interview with Barbara Long Walthers or
what Hunt and.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
He said, you just take the oil?
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Why just take it?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Take it? Take it over? Okay, this is a question.
I bet you have gotten quite a lot too.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Buck, the biggest issue with the straight up horror moves
and with having UH ships that are helping to provide
UH security. It only takes a drone or someone with
a rocket launcher, someone with I mean, one individual can
blow up in oil tanker UH potentially UH. And even
(35:32):
if you have great security, it's hard to stop one
person who could launch a drone or a rocket launcher
or something of that nature.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Or or you could just fill a a you know,
small motor boat. Yes, with basically the USS coal routine,
where you fill a small boat with as much dumb,
dumb explosive as you possibly can and then you just
have the guy go full laha wack bar, pull the
pin on the grenade and kaboom. So yeah, it's not
(36:02):
hard to do.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
So I think the answer is the concept of providing
one hundred percent security to tankers is more difficult than
it might sound. Now, in order to take over oil
and gas production in Iran, we would have to take
card Island. We would have to put boots on the ground,
and it's called an invasion. Other than the saving of
(36:26):
the crewman who was on the ground, we have not
yet had any boots on the ground. I would mention
Buck who didn't get a lot of attention. But Israel
also put boots on the ground to help us rescue
the American serviceman. That is a pre significant gesture on
their behalf. They put Israeli lives on the line to
(36:47):
save an American life. It hasn't gotten very much attention,
but credit to them for that, all right, lots of questions,
open phone lines were coming to you guys next when
we return this. This is a plain box.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Everyear
Welcome in everybody to the Tuesday edition of the Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Much to discuss with all
of you. We have, of course, the deadline of eight
Eastern time tonight for Iran. They either concede to the
Trump administration demands or Trump will unleash hell. In fact,
(00:23):
what he has said, more specifically is he is going
to uh well go after them in a very big way,
including civilian infrastructure things like power. So he is turning
up the heat considerably for the regime to open the
straight and concede to demands about the nuclear program. We
(00:46):
will discuss that of course today get into some of
those details. JD vance in Hungary, place that has gotten
a lot of attention in conservative circles for years now
because it is a country under the Orbon government at
least that had taken on some particularly social conservative policies
in the past. We'll have some highlights of what JD
(01:10):
said there, and we've also got some updates on the
Artemis two program. Talking about the spaceship or we call
it a shuttle, I guess a ship. It's both really
either one works, it's a ship, It's it's not a
UFO it's a space ship. It's a shuttle that works.
We'll talk about Artemis two, what that means, and the
future of space exploration and space commercialization. But something that
(01:35):
I just wanted to throw into the mix. Yesterday, Trump revealed,
we didn't get to this. This is cut six clay
before we talk about where this is all going with Iran.
I feel like we're all the whole world, in a sense,
is waiting to see what happens with this negotiation. There's
a there's a big red line that Trump has drawn here.
(01:55):
But in advance of that, something we didn't get to
you yesterday. We wanted to do this cut six. Trump
said that Kim Jong un had a very particular word
that he used for Joe Biden. This has cut six.
Listen to this.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
To protect them from North Korea. We have forty five
thousand soldiers in South Korea to protect us from Kim
Jong un, who I get along with very well, as
you know. Do you notice he said very nice things
about me. He used to call Joe Biden a mentally
retarded person. Okay, so don't tell me about your stuff.
(02:29):
Joe Biden said he's a mentally retarded person. He was
so nasty to Joe Biden was terrible. But to me,
he likes Trump. And do you notice how nice things
are with North Goads very nice Clay.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So, put aside what one thinks of Kim Jong Owen
saying this about Biden, I would say this, most people
that I speak to and that I see weighing in
on this Iran war, they really are just their faith
is in Trump to bring it across the finish line
and end this thing before. There's a lot of downside
(03:03):
that we feel in this country, and our allies feel
a lot more than what we've already witnessed for sure.
And it's worth noting that Joe Biden was the commander
in chief, at least technically for four years, somebody not
of sound mind and completely incapable and not even intelligent,
particularly at all before his dementia set in. So I
(03:25):
think this is one way of saying, you can trust
in Trump on this one and see how he brings
this thing through. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Look, first of all, I didn't think they would have
the gall anyone to say, oh, we've got a twenty
fifth amendment him now, after for four years they let
Joe Biden bumble and stumble his way around, and we're
even willing to accede to his ability to run for reelection,
which is even crazier. Look, Trump is bombastic. He is
(03:57):
often outrageous in many of his public pronouncements on social media.
I thought we were past the point buck of people
losing their minds over Trump's social media posts, but evidently
we are not. And so he threatened and has set
an eight pm deadline, And as part of that deadline,
(04:19):
he is basically threatened to in the civilization of Iran,
which is the quote.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
This is what I was looking for. Trump warns Iran
quote whole civilization will die end quote if deadline not met.
That's pretty intense. That's intense, but it's also very Trumpian.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And so I look, Trump is going to, I believe,
take this aggressively in in in the up to and
including potentially extending this deadline.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
We will see.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I think we are going to get some form of
resolution sooner rather than later, because I think Trump has
decided that he is in favor of getting the straight
of horror moves open and believes that he can negotiate
with the existing Iranian leaders. I think that's where his
game plan is, and he is trying to, in the meantime,
(05:11):
extract the maximum amount of negotiating leverage that he can.
And he knows that all of the Iranians monitor every
single thing that he says on social media, and that's
what this story is. So I just sometimes buck am befuddled.
I would understand if this were still twenty sixteen and
(05:32):
Trump had only been a political figure for a year
and people were still trying to grapple and figure out
exactly what the intent of these messages is. But the
intent is quite clear. It is that he is going
to try to get maximum negotiation leverage. Now, the argument
I think you can make against this is not that
(05:55):
Trump is going to suddenly start nuclear war or something
like that. It's that by making all of these outlandish
threats that he actually doesn't gain that much negotiating leverage,
or as much as he thinks he does, because he's
been doing it for a decade.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Now. That's to me the counter don't I don't see
Iran bending the knee right now over this. I just
don't see it happening. That's just my prediction. I could
be wrong. They've gotten at some point. I think the
regime feels like, well, what do we have left to lose?
And I think the answer is they aren't. They think
(06:36):
that they are in a backed into a corner and
do anything they can now to and they'll suffer through anything.
They have already rejected yesterday a temporary cease fire that
was offered if they would just open the strait of
horror moves and the Iranians, Clay, this has been in
every analysis, whether you're writing a grad school paper or
(06:59):
you're the most deep dark bowels of the Pentagon UH
strategy files, everyone knows the straight of horm moves is
a strategic choke point for global oil UH and and
that's just that's what Iran has been really holding over
the world for a long time, more than anything else,
more more even, I think, in some ways than the
(07:19):
threat of a nuclear program, because it's all we know
they can do this, and we know that this is
something that can start to have major economic impact. So
Iran said no to that. And now the the Iranian regime,
to the degree that we can get insight into this,
the state of the negotiations, they want a permanent ceasefire,
(07:42):
they want full sanctions relief, and they are not willing
to make any nuclear or other concessions. So the Iranians
are taking a pretty hard line negotiating posture at this
point in response to where we are, you know, hitting
critical infant structure. If that is where Trump goes with
(08:03):
this When he said like we're gonna what is it just,
you know, annihilate your civilization or something like that, that
can actually backfire on you a bit, because then the
people of Iran start to say, well, hold on a second,
why are we all being punished? They know it's not us.
That's a consideration that I know that Trump and the
team have, but it's a big one to work through.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah. Look, I mean the quote is a whole civilization
will die tonight, which is so cinematic and apocalyptic. I
read that as I will kill a lot of the
Iranian leaders. And you should be aware that your civilization
is going to cease to exist, meaning the way that
(08:47):
you run Iran is going to cease to exist regardless.
The goal is to terrify people in Iran that are
still in power that if they are in any way
recalcitrant when it comes to negotiating with President Trump, that
there will be consequences and Look, what did we say
(09:09):
Buck a couple of weeks ago. To me, the off
ramp here is the challenging part. I don't think there's
any doubt that we have severely curtailed and diminished Iron's
ability to in any way inflict harm upon anyone in
the Middle East or around the world. I think you
would have to be a moron to argue against that.
(09:31):
So the question is to what extent is there an
off ramp here where Trump can claim, Hey, we have
reached a resolution, We've reached a cinematic conclusion in a
way that he is able to declare victory and walk away.
To me, that is the question of what is what
(09:53):
is that off ramp What to him is a victory
that he can claim the straight up horror moves being reopened,
obviously is a very tangible one. The price of oil
and gas would drop overnight, probably thirty dollars and get
us back down close to where we were before this
all started. So I don't know that Iran, to your point,
is willing to give that at this point. So what
(10:16):
kind of negotiating victory is out there on the table
that the president can take. By the way, Trump is
very good at going out and claiming victory even when
it's not necessarily a transcendent victory. Right, So I think
there are probably off ramps that Trump can take that
(10:37):
would allow him to say, we have chained our objectives.
Now it's time to ramp down everything that's been going
on in Iran.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Well, what he really wants is this straight to reopen,
which has been made clear by his truth social posts
and everybody can see that. And that's because of the
economic impact on the global oil markets, which has an
enormous possibility at least of affecting domestic politics here at
home in an election year. Because remember, the price shock
(11:05):
can be a little delayed from all of this too.
I know we're seeing prices rise already, but it could
be there are things like you know, Amazon, I think
is even raising its prices on some vendors because of
the increase in oil, right for Yes, doing fulfillment for
them and products. Fifty of oil globally, something like fifty
(11:28):
percent is not used to go into vehicles and for transport.
It's actually used in products. So a lot of things
that you buy are petroleum based products, and those prices
over time will also rise from all of this. So
this is this is about Iran trying to use economic
pain as its leverage to get Trump to back off,
(11:50):
and Trump just continuing to pound the Iranian military and
let's be honest, the Iranian infrastructure. Now, if that's what
he does US tonight and say have you had enough?
Have you had enough punishment? I'm not sure that the
answer to that, Clay is going to be yes. Yeah,
these people are wacko. I mean the ones calling the
(12:12):
shots here there there. I know we've said all, we've
taken out so much of their leadership. Yeah, but even
the second rung of leadership there, it's not good.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Well, they're kind of in a tough spot, right because
if you are too conciliatory with the United States at
this point, you might get killed in Iran. Right, So
we talk about between a rock and a hard place.
If you're too aggressive with the US, we take you out.
If you're too conciliatory with the US, then Iran takes
you out. So you you want to talk about the
(12:43):
delicate dance that Iranian leadership that is trying to govern
this country has to follow right now, that is quite difficult.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I think. I think right now, the if there's an
eleventh hour deal, which we are We are now less
than eight hours away from the deadline hitting here. If
there's an a eleventh hour deal, Clay, I think it
will be Iran has agreed to a temporary cease fire
and the opening of the Strait with nuclear negotiations and
other concessions to follow, and that would be what it looks.
(13:12):
It will not be an ad They will not do
an abject surrender, but if they give Trump the straight
of horm moves, that will be enough to avoid the
end of their civilization strike that is supposed to come tonight. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I would also say the straight of Horror moves can
be a trust but verify situation. That's very easy to test.
If Iran says the Straight of Horror Moves is open,
now we're going to allow a transit and it doesn't occur,
then you have a pretty good sign that you've been
lied to. There's an easy test scenario. Now the challenge
is you have to convince some of these ship owners
(13:47):
that have loaded up their ships with oil. I mean, buck,
would you want to be on one of those ships
right now? Would you want to be in the straight
of Horror moves? On a completely like million.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Would be a very a very large personal check to
me to get me to go ride might be.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
A little hard to sleep if you're on the illustraate
of more movies.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So being on an oil tanker that gets hit by
a missile would be really that's a really bad place
to be. No, even if it, you know, even if
it's not like immediate catastrophic damage, which I could be,
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Speaker 3 (16:06):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show let me
tell you guys something. By the way, Georgia fourteenth Congressional
special election is two day. North Georgia, we had both
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I would encourage you to vote for the man named
(16:27):
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are just like, when are these elections gonna end? Does
it feel like we've been ha like special elections forever?
You said, I voted in twenty twenty four. And then
this is Marjorie Taylor Green's congressional seat that she abandoned,
and Clay Fuller is running as the Republican to take
(16:51):
it back. And this is for a relatively short term, buck,
what are we talking about? April until November and then
in November this the seat will be back on the ballot.
So Democrats tend to be more energized, more excited no
matter what year it is, to show up for special elections.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
They always do.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
The media always treats the special elections as a substantial referendum, Buck,
they typically are not. But North of Georgia, we would
like for you to go out and vote today, even
though it's sometimes frustrating to feel how you have perpetual
election season.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
You want to know how the Democrats are doing. They're
having a they're having a rough one. Their numbers aren't good,
and so they need to get their base fired up
and so play. They're going to the They're going to the
greatest hits. We have a Democrat member of Congress calling
for twenty fifth amendmenting Donald Trump over the Iran war.
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into Clay and Buck. So we got the big deadline tonight.
This is heavy stuff, everybody. We have blown up thousands
and thousands of targets inside of Iran, have completely taken
out their main their navy, their air defense. Who knows
(19:22):
how many ground unit targets we've hit. I mean the
Pentagon does, but it's a lot. The I believe they
used some Chinese made essentially shoulder fire man pads manpad.
I know a lot of your military you know better
than I do. But for anyone else, manned portable air
(19:42):
defense system with a little shoulder fired rocket, think a
little bit like the Stinger missiles from Charlie Wilson's War
made them really famous. I think they took down one
of our planes with a man pad. So there's a
lot of those that they've deployed as a additional tier
of air defense. But that's that's not what we were
(20:03):
initially worried about. Initially, it would have been things like
the Russian what the S three hundred, s five hundred
surface to air missile systems, those are all gone. Basically,
we've taken all those out, so we have total air
dominance and get hit whatever targets including This is where
Clay has been additionally impressive, fearsome and impressive, which is
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the ability to find and take out their human you know,
senior human targets, you know, taking people off the battlefield
here who are in the military chain of command, the
political chain of command there you to do so seemingly
at will. Certainly in the early days of the conflict,
I mean that initial strike which really just decapitated the
Iranian regimes, senior leadership in one Fell Swoop was It's
(20:49):
an incredible hit. And so all that's gone on. But
but now what is the huge question? We have this
deadline looming and Democrats are already smelling blood the water
on this whole thing. Politically, they just want Trump gone.
And I want to say this, Clay, We're gonna talk
about this a lot, so I don't want to divert this,
but if you want to weigh on this too, of course,
by all means, man, Guys, when the Democrats get any
(21:12):
power back, you're it's gonna they're gonna go completely insane.
Just be prepared for I just want you to be
prepared for that. Now, maybe it's the midterms, maybe it's not,
maybe it's the twenty eight election. But whenever you have
Democrats that have some real power again, good lord, they
are going to be insane and they're gonna settle scores
and they're gonna be vicious. So just we all need
(21:33):
to get prepared for that reality, right, I mean, I think.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
We're we're going to be If you think that that
Trump has been aggressive on his critics and by the way,
hardly anything's happened to any of them. Democrats don't make threats,
they actually take action.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
They were willing to Trump talk to all the non
violent J six people.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yes, yes, I mean they they put thousands of people
in prison for what was the total number? I mean,
like over one thousand J six ers went to prison,
didn't they And some of them were kept in solitary
confinement for years.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Years.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
We used to have Julie Kelly on talking about this
all the time. Who is a Trump critic that has
had anything at all other than better media access? Like
every time Trump comes after anybody, they make more money
and they get they become like a superstar on the left.
(22:37):
I mean, Jimmy Kimmel, Don Lemon, I mean, nothing happens
to any of these guys.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I support the Trump twenty four agenda with with everything
I got it so does play and he really every
It was so what was needed in the moment, and
such an enormous political win. But now we're in it,
my friends, Now we're in the game. And it's not
a game. It's deadly serious. But we're in the midst
of the execution phase of the Trump agenda, and there's
(23:07):
been some really good stuff. But you know, don't make
Christy Nome heead of DHS, and don't make Pam Bondi
the head of the Department of Justice. Okay, people are
asking me, I get this all the time. When are
the you know, the so and so prosecution's going to start,
you know? Or when when is there going to be
accountability for filling something? And I say, that's a DOJ issue.
(23:29):
You know, I'm not the attorney general. I think I
probably would have been a better attorney general than Pambondi.
But put that aside. I'm not the attorney I do
not even have a law degree. I'm not the Attorney General, Clay,
neither of you. This is this is why personnel is policy.
This is why it really matters you have in charge. Now.
I do have a lot of faith in Mark or Rubio,
and events I think have have bolstered and supported that.
(23:52):
I do have a lot of faith in Pete hag
Seth and some of the other senior members of the
Trump team that are trying to figure out not just
national security broadly, but this issue of Iran and what's
going on here. And we judge them by results, though,
and we have to see what happens with this red
line on the other side of things these Democrats. You
got Rocana, I wanted to just McLay. You can react
(24:14):
to this. Rokanna says, it's time and this is what
I meant about the lunacy of Democrats when they're back
in power, it's just going to be everything we've seen before.
Rokanna says, twenty fifth Amendment. Time for Donald Trump because
of Iran Play thirty two.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
If the United States Congress has any life left in it,
every member of Congress and senator must be calling for
Trump's removal today based on the twenty fifth Amendment. He's
threatening the entire destruction of a civilization. He is calling
Iranian's animals. He is showing a total disregard for the
humanity of people in Iran and Gaza in Cuba. This
(24:52):
is a moral crime, it is a war crime. We
need to be demanding that Congress convened today and we
need to be invoking twenty fifth Amendment.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Hey, real Clay. On the one hand, On the one hand, yes,
crazy talk, and they're not going to vote the twenty
fifth Amendment is On the other hand, Democrats are going
to bring war crime prosecutions against people in this administration.
I really do believe that I think they're going to
if they can, if they if they have the if
they can, you know, run the if they can't run
the clock out before it, I think that they'll go
(25:21):
after people.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I went off on this on Jesse Waters Show last night.
I'm sorry anyone. I really thought buck that there would
be too much shame to go twenty fifth Amendment again.
They went twenty fifth Amendment in the first term for Trump.
Then Joe Biden was an actual dementia patient for four years.
(25:44):
We called it the Weekend at Bernie's presidency, and they
tried to run Weekend at Bernie's two And if you
were in the Democrat Party, and I think there was
only one guy, right the Minnesota congressman that everybody forgot
that ran for president against him, And how the rally
that nobody showed up for in New Hampshire that was
like that which.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Made us talk about it because we felt bad for him.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
And I've already forgotten that guy's name. He was the
only Democrat who said Joe Biden isn't up for being
president of the United States. Rokanna didn't come out and say, hey,
we've got a twenty fifth Amendment. Joe Biden, which probably
in any of the lives of people listening today, is
the only time when the twenty fifth Amendment has really
(26:27):
been justified.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Trump just did.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
An hour and fifteen minute press conference yesterday answering questions
from everybody under the sun. Now, you may not agree
with him that this is what I was going to
ask you, Buck, So any Democrat who mentions the twenty
fifth Amendment for Trump, I just immediately toss on the
dumpster fire of stupidity and say I can't take anything
(26:50):
you say seriously because you covered up for Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Deem Phillips. Wow, Phillips, there's a throwback for you.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
If Dean Phillips wants to call for Trump to be
twenty fifth amendmented, I would not agree with him, but
I would at least say, you know what, you called
out Joe Biden and said he wasn't up for the job,
and now you're calling out Trump. At least there's some
consistency there, Buck, other than we've now got like six
and we got ten full years of Trump as a
(27:20):
political figure, ten years plus and we've got now going
on six years of him in office. Other than other
than what like the immediate aftermath of COVID coming right March,
We're gonna have the whatever number of days to stop
the spread. And Trump eventually righted that wrong. Can you
(27:41):
think of anything that Trump has done that has been
truly consequentially wrong for the country. I mean, as an
executive making choices. I'm not saying you agree with everything
that he did, but you go back. Most people would
go back now and say, hey, the Iraq War was
a mistake. George W. Bush, we shouldn't have spent trillions
(28:02):
of dollars on that. I think almost everybody would have
other than the immediate response to COVID back in March
of twenty twenty, in nearly six years, is there anything
you can point to and say, you know, you might
not like a higher but that Trump one hundred percent
got wrong other than early COVID.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I can't. On policy. Not only has he been unimportant policy,
not only has Trump been consistently right and proven right
by events, He's been right even when he has gone
and maybe more so than ever when he has gone
against GOP orthodoxy, like on the trade issue, for example.
(28:40):
So that's a perfect I think, or on RENEGO. Well,
this is tied into trade, but renegotiating NAFTA, which a
lot of Republicans are I can't do that. I was gonna.
Uh No, he was right. He was right and they
were wrong. Oh, you can't agitate China. No, he was
right and they were wrong. So on those things, Trump's
biggest mistakes, I think, have been and he admits this.
So anyone who's like you, dare no, Trump knows this.
(29:01):
His biggest mistakes term one were personnel related, and his
personnel has gotten a lot better. But I think because
of the four prosecutions that he faced and all the
people who really turned on him, loyalty was even more
elevated in his mind as necessary for his agenda in
the second term, and some of that I think, unfortunately
(29:24):
was not lined up with key competence at the highest
level in a couple and this is why he's removing people.
By the way, I completely disagree with anyone who's saying, oh,
I mean, well, no one's really saying that about DHS anymore.
That's a sad that's actually a sad situation. With the
sad situation, and you know my feelings about Nome's public
life or known de ever on the show, you know
(29:46):
some of us see things before they happen, but that's okay.
But I actually feel badly now because the personal dynamic
and everything else. Pam Bondi, I think from I don't know,
her seems just like a lovely person and a patriot
and great. I just think you needed a pit bull
at the top of DOJ. You needed a pit bull.
You know, she's like, she's like a lovely like a
(30:07):
lovely Golden Retriever.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I love Golden Retrievers. I just don't want a Golden
Retriever running DJ. I think that's well said. I would
just add this on the Bondi front. You can have
a Golden Retriever as the front facing object of the
of the administration to me for the DOJ, for instance,
but you have to be the best damn communicator on
(30:30):
the planet. And she wasn't good at that, right, And
then you have pit bulls underneath that are actually.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
The number two wags. You need a wags, yes.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
And so, but she wasn't even a good communicator. That
was what was super frustrating to me about her tenure
with the DOJ.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
She created a.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Lot of messes and and look, I mean, you got
to break a lot of things inside of the DOJ.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, and you needed to be willing to mobilize quickly
and handle these things efficiently, getting it right, but getting
it right last or getting it right too late not
good enough in this way. Well, guys, it's April. We're
running out of time.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Here's the other thing about lawyers, and I say this
as a lawyer. They may have political opinions, but they're
all cash in big checks and really it's one big club.
I mean, they're making thousands of dollars an hour. And
you might ostensibly be a Republican and you might ostensibly
be a Democrat, but there's a lot of cross pollination
(31:32):
there and both sides are getting really rich. This is
where Trump got the swamp right. And I don't think
this is my opinion as a lawyer. I don't think
there are very many lawyers that actually really want to
draw too much attention to themselves. They want to be
able to go across both party lines because they don't
(31:53):
know who's going to be president. Four years in Washington
is the snap of a fingers. And some of you
recognize this now, the older you get. I mean, Buck,
this is where I know you make fun of kings
and everything else. But I would argue one of the
biggest challenges we have in this country is eight years.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
It's hard to.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Fix a lot, even if you have a truly excellent president.
Eight years passes in the blink of an eye. Seems
like a long time when you're a kid, seems like
a long time when you're a teenager. You get into
your thirties, forties, and fifties, and beyond, eight years, like
you look over your shoulder in the time has passed.
And I think one of the things Trump is trying
(32:31):
to do is he recognizes how little time he has
left in office, and he's trying to fix everything, whether
it's the structure of the White House or who's in
charge in Iran, Venezuela and Cuba. If anything, his sin
is overreached trying to fix so much because he's concerned
that we're going to get another Joe Biden like figure
back in the White House at some point in the future,
(32:53):
and he's trying to go ahead and correct all the
issues that he saw from Biden, but that he knows
they're going to follow him inevitably.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
That's what I think.
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a question that a lot of people have been asking,
and I wanted to play it for you.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Cut d listen, how.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Come Trump to just take over the straight and the
oil supply as well? He talked about it a long
time ago with that interview with Barbara Long Walthers or
what Hunt and.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
He said, you just take the oil?
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Why just take it?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Take it? Take it over? Okay, this is a question.
I bet you have gotten quite a lot too.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Buck, the biggest issue with the straight up horror moves
and with having UH ships that are helping to provide
UH security. It only takes a drone or someone with
a rocket launcher, someone with I mean, one individual can
blow up in oil tanker UH potentially UH. And even
(35:32):
if you have great security, it's hard to stop one
person who could launch a drone or a rocket launcher
or something of that nature.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Or or you could just fill a a you know,
small motor boat. Yes, with basically the USS coal routine,
where you fill a small boat with as much dumb,
dumb explosive as you possibly can and then you just
have the guy go full laha wack bar, pull the
pin on the grenade and kaboom. So yeah, it's not
(36:02):
hard to do.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
So I think the answer is the concept of providing
one hundred percent security to tankers is more difficult than
it might sound. Now, in order to take over oil
and gas production in Iran, we would have to take
card Island. We would have to put boots on the ground,
and it's called an invasion. Other than the saving of
(36:26):
the crewman who was on the ground, we have not
yet had any boots on the ground. I would mention
Buck who didn't get a lot of attention. But Israel
also put boots on the ground to help us rescue
the American serviceman. That is a pre significant gesture on
their behalf. They put Israeli lives on the line to
(36:47):
save an American life. It hasn't gotten very much attention,
but credit to them for that, all right, lots of questions,
open phone lines were coming to you guys next when
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