July 23, 2026 • 36 mins
In Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay and Buck focused heavily on the growing cultural and political battle surrounding women's sports, transgender athlete participation, WNBA star Sophie Cunningham, and the future direction of the Democrat Party heading into the 2028 presidential election cycle. The hour opened with extensive discussion of Cunningham's comments defending the idea that biological males should not compete in women's sports. The hosts praised the WNBA player for refusing to backtrack under media pressure and highlighted her statements that women's athletic opportunities and protections under Title IX should be preserved. They contrasted Cunningham's position with arguments from progressive activists and former soccer star Megan Rapinoe, framing the debate as one of fairness, biological differences, women's rights, and the future of female athletics. The conversation also explored public reaction to Cunningham's comments, growing support from athletes and fans, and the broader cultural implications of high-profile female athletes speaking out on controversial issues.
The hosts then turned to what they described as increasing political activism and ideological bias within the sports media. They criticized coverage surrounding Caitlin Clark, the WNBA, race, and identity politics, including commentary that linked Clark's popularity to broader social and racial debates. Clay and Buck argued that sports journalism has become increasingly politicized and used the discussion to examine how cultural issues influence public opinion and electoral politics. Throughout the segment, they emphasized the connection they see between winning cultural debates and winning elections, arguing that public support for figures like Sophie Cunningham reflects larger shifts in American opinion on gender, sports, and free expression.
A major political segment focused on the Democratic Party's developing 2028 presidential primary landscape. Clay and Buck analyzed reports that Democratic leaders are debating whether South Carolina or Nevada should hold the first presidential contest, framing the dispute as a contest between key Democratic voting blocs, particularly Black and Hispanic voters. The hosts discussed how the primary calendar could shape potential candidacies from figures including Kamala Harris, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC), Gavin Newsom, Mark Kelly, Andy Beshear, Pete Buttigieg, Wes Moore, Josh Shapiro, and others. They examined the strategic advantages different states could provide various candidates and debated whether Democratic leaders are trying to influence the nomination process through primary scheduling decisions.
The conversation expanded into a broader examination of the future identity of the Democratic Party, including whether the party's establishment wing can continue to control its progressive base. Clay and Buck discussed polling showing AOC's rising prominence among Democratic voters, speculation about future endorsements from figures such as Bernie Sanders, and the possibility of an ideological struggle between moderates and democratic socialists. They also evaluated how race, ethnicity, religion, and coalition politics could influence Democratic primary voters, particularly in key battleground states and early nominating contests.
Hour 1 also featured listener calls reacting to the discussions surrounding Sophie Cunningham and the 2028 Democratic field. Callers weighed in on AOC, Kamala Harris, progressive candidates in Michigan, and the cultural impact of Cunningham's willingness to defend her views publicly. The hosts continued examining how identity politics, party factions, and demographic coalitions may shape future elections while returning frequently to the theme that cultural issues increasingly drive political outcomes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in. We are rolling through the Thursday edition of
Clay and Buck. We appreciate all of you hanging out
with us on nearly six hundred AMFM stations, satellite radio,
and hello YouTube. We are everywhere that you can possibly be,
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on a podcast, so we thank you. However, you are
(00:23):
finding your way to be able to speak with all
of us. So much to be discussed as we roll
through today's program, I jotted down a bunch of things.
Sophie Cunningham has become an absolute megawatt superstar, and if
you don't know her yet, you're about to know her
(00:44):
and love her. She is a women's basketball player. We
talked to me a little bit about her yesterday, Buck,
because she came out and said men shouldn't be able
to compete in women's sports. Became the first that I
know of current pro athlete and women's sports to be
willing to say that. She was grilled by left winging
(01:05):
sports media members who were offended men in particular for
that perspective, and she led with I said what I said,
which I just oh, my heart skips a beat, Buck
when somebody says something that can be controversial, and then
everybody comes after him and you what do you so
often see the mealy mouth? Oh, I apologize to anybody
(01:27):
who was offended. I hate it. And so we'll talk
a bit about that here in a moment. Nevada versus
South Carolina for the first Democrat primary, Hispanic versus black
identity politics go into the Matt Buck has gone after
women with short hair. We will it sounds crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
No, no, no, women being told by their friend to cut
their hair short. That is a different framing, sir. We
will have fun with that, I promise. Also, some of
you out there that are still riding around on would
have still been riding around on horses in the early
(02:07):
car age. You're not happy about self driving cars. There
is data out that they are infinitely safer than driving
driven cars Waimo data. As Tesla and Weimo and many
other companies out there begin the battle over self driving cars,
we will get into that because I think that'll be
(02:28):
really fun and the data is starting to roll in.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
David Rutherford is going to join us. He's going to
talk about testosterone in the military, and then Steve Dace
is going to talk with us. He watched The Odyssey.
I have not seen the Odyssey. Buck has not seen it,
but it is a big story and so we will
be discussing that. But we began Buck with yesterday evening.
As I was sitting down to eat my dinner, there
(02:51):
is a pregame press availability for Sophie Cunningham. And after
she said that men should not be able to play
in women's sports, that boys should not be able to
play in girl sports, the crazy sports media, which continues
to get crazier, decided that they were going to speak
(03:12):
out and attack her. She is grilled by WNBA reporters
over those comments that she made in an ESPN article,
and she began by saying, I stand by what I said.
Cut sixteen and that story with ESPN.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
You talked about wanting to protect young girls who shouldn't
have to go against biological men.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Just can you expand your viewpoint on that.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I mean, I think I said what I said.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I think it's kind of common sense, and I think
I'll always believe in that. I think it's really important
to protect children, and that's little girls who are also involved.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
In that category.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
And so I stand on what I said and I
always believe that. Do you see your advocacy on that
like taking any form going forward?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I didn't. I'm not a very political person, but I
do have beliefs, I have morals, and I'll always stand
on those and be true true to who I am.
And I think people are going to take it how
they want to take it. But I've never even really
said anything about that. And so when it comes just
to protecting young girls in sport and women in sport,
I feel very strongly about that. I think that's why
you have Title nine, That's why you have some of the.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Greats in women's sports.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
If Title nine and women's sports weren't protected, then you
wouldn't hear about any type of women in sport. And
so I think in the future it's just really important to.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Protect okay buck, she continued, And I feel like I'm
just saying hallelujah because I've been waiting for someone in
women's sports, current athlete to speak out like this. Then
a reporter on a left wing news organization asked if
she was targeting trans people as you would expect here
is cut seventeen. Some people might say hanging for the
(04:44):
trans community.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
This could be something that could come back on us
or be targeted against us.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Like, how do you guess view that sort of critique?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You know, Like I said, I extend love and I
don't dislike anyone, Like I think there is room for
absolutely everyone here, and I think there's room to love everyone.
I truly think when you get people in the same
room you have conversations, you actually have a lot comm.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
With a lot in comm with a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And so I'm there to love, but I'm also there
to love biological women. And I think that there are
rights that need to be protected, and like I said,
I'm going to stand true to that. I'll never falter
in my beliefs in that. But I have never once
said I hated the trans community. Like I said, I
think they're space for everyone.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
So are you in disbelief that this is actually a
thing that has to be said. No, I'm surprised that
it took this long for someone like her in women's
athletics to take this position honestly, and to take it
at the w NBA, which is probably the wokest of
the women's sports leagues, or at least the most openly so.
(05:50):
And I think that the way she's doing it is
also it's very well, it's it's accurate, it's truthful, and
it's also tactically very smart, which is to say, this
is about protecting women. This isn't about you know, Trump
or right wing or Republicans or anything like that. This
is about protecting women and protecting women specifically in sports.
(06:13):
I know Riley Gaines has been out there making this case.
Obviously Riley's a friend of the show, and there have
been some others. I haven't seen anyone from the WNBA
willing to say this. I think Caitlyn Clark is making
too many hostage videos as it is from the court,
as she's being battered and attacked by people that are
jealous of her money and fame. But this is something
(06:35):
that they don't have an answer to, which is who's
the one who's really defending women here? What they want
to say, well, what about trans women? No, no, they're
not women. So to defend women, you actually have to
not allow trans women to compete against women in sports.
This destroying gender categories in sports is the destruction of
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women's sports fundamentally, and everybody knows it. And this is
why they have just had years of this cult like
cognitive dissonance of we're all about equality for women, including
men who think they're women, beating beating up those women
in athletic competition because they have physical advantage.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Legitimately beating them up and winning a gold medal at
the Summer Olympics, which just happened. So this is I
think it's so important. So if you're out there listening
right now and you've got daughters. I said this last night.
I was on Sean Hannity show. We were talking about it,
I would go buy a Sophie Cunningham jersey. I would
make sure that these jerseys are sold out, because if
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you're out there and you're fed up, the best thing
I think you can do is support people in women's
sports who are willing to speak out on this buck.
I saw Anika Sornstam, who's one of the best women's golfers,
has now shared Sophie Cunningham's take and endorsed it. We
have women's teas on golf courses for anyone out there
(08:05):
who plays. I mean men can typically hit the golf
ball a lot further than women, And I mean this
is not this is basic biology doesn't mean look, my
golf swing is awful. There's a lot of women out
there listening to us right now who can hit the
ball better than I can at golf. But a general
male athlete is going to be much better at this.
By the way, this is also.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Going to be seen as an anti Meghan Rapino take
after Sophie Cunningham spoke out buck our good friends at
the View the Morons there, they shared this clip of
Megan Rapino on The View saying any removal of men
and women's athletics is a direct attack on women in society.
(08:47):
Because this is the other side of that argument. Retired
women's soccer player Megan Rapino, this is out there. I
think this is a battle women have to fight. I mean, look,
I can tell you what I think, but I think
women need to fight this battle on behalf of women's
at fat. What the other side is, Megan Orpino.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Listen, guests are going after trans people in sports, and
they're using this as a wedge issue because we love
sports and you know, we don't want our little girls
to be unsafe in sports, and it's like unsafe from who.
But okay, but now we're using this as like an
overarching thing, when really what we're attacking women. We're saying
if you look like this as a woman, you can play.
(09:22):
If you look like this is one. It's an attack
on women in society. And I think the tie between
the Heritage Foundation now wanting to go after title nine,
it's just like so blatant, like, let's connect these thoughts.
It's more than just a couple of trans kids in
the entire country and in a couple in each state
being able to participate in some new sports.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
It's just blather you. Actually, there's no argument here. Yeah, well, rather,
there's no logical progression into anything she's saying. It's just
a bunch of feelings that she has strewn together that
are trying to make the point that she stands with
the men who say they're women, because the argument here
is very much on the side of people who live
(10:06):
in reality and see it for what it is, women
who look a certain way. Who says it's about women
who look a certain way butch ladies who have competed
in sports for a long time. No one has said
anything about that unless that butch lady actually has a penis.
That's the distinguishing characteristic here.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, I'm laughing because this is so basic for anyone
out there. And look, the sports media hates this. There's
an article, Buck, I wanted to read this to you
because I don't think you've seen it, and I think
your head is going to explode. This is USA Today,
(10:50):
So Sophie Cunningham initially became a faying.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Can I just say one thing while before you let
to you this suba. This is kind of like a
sprinkling little spice into this. You know how you told
me that the sports media was more left wing than
even political, and I had a hard time believing it
is true. They're also even dumber than I thought, though
I will say that it's they're very, very dumb in general.
I mean, please continue.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
It is true that I've been dominating a lot of
people with you know, borderline hundred at IQs for a
long time. Listen to this. This is a USA Today
Sports column Today, okay, by a writer named Nancy Armor.
She is arguing that Caitlin Clark, arguing with officials is
(11:30):
putting black lives in danger. This is her real column, Buck.
Listen to this. It seems there is a white nationalist
element to Clark's fandom that is deeply, deeply problematic, made
even more so because the WNBA is made up predominantly
of black women, many of them queer. When Clark claims
(11:50):
fouls that don't exist, when she goes on profanity lace
tirades at referees, those racists see her as a white
woman in need of saying and take matters into their
own hands. Okay, this is a real column that is out.
I think this woman belongs in, by the way, a
(12:10):
straight jacket in a mental institution. She continues. It shouldn't
need reminding. This country has an awful history of black
people being harmed, even killed. This is a sports article
in the name of defending white women. The WNBA's All
Star Game this weekend is in Chicago, Emmett Till's hometown,
and a local art gallery is currently hosting an exhibit
(12:32):
imagining his life if he hadn't been lynched. While it's
incumbent on the WNBA to do more to protect its players,
there also should be an expectation on Clark to recognize
the wider consequences of her actions. Imagine you are Joe
Schmoe sports fan and you let's pretend you still get
(12:53):
the USA today and you sit down and you're like, hey,
you know what, I just want to read about sports,
and then you read that you're a white supremacist because
you support Kaitlin Clark having five threes last night. I mean,
this is what we have to fight and people out
there who say, why does this matter again? You have
(13:13):
to win culture in order to win elections. And if
you stand up for Sophie Cunningham just speaking basic truth,
I think you embolden and empower a lot of other
women that are afraid of being attacked by these crazy
people in sports media to also stand up and speak
out loud. So that's why I think this is a
(13:34):
supremely significant story. And bravo Sophie Cunningham for being willing
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I got to go with one or the other into
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the political back and forth as the midterm election approaches.
So part of that is like Georgia, the Senate seat
that's up for grabs there, we had the candidate on yesterday.
We'll look at some of these individual races. And then
also just for fun, Clay has seen and I have
seen that's currently the polling shows none other than AOC
(16:14):
as the preferred Democrat presidential candidate in was it Iowa,
New Hampshire, New Hampshire, New Hampshire, in New Hampshire. So
that is also indicating something here there isn't Clay. This
is why I think it'll be fascinating to watch this
play out among the Democrats. They don't have a Clinton
(16:35):
and Obama or a Biden in the mix. They don't
have a Gore, they don't have somebody who's been They
have Kamala Harris, who I think has a well we'll see,
but I think has a pretty weak brand relative to
those other names. And then they have a whole left
wing of the party that is lurching harder to the
(16:57):
left with each passing day. And this may be the
time when all of a sudden, people see who really
calls the shots in the Democrat Party these days, it
might be a little bit different. No longer the Pelosi
Clinton Party. It's turning into something else.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Well, and where they pick as the first primary will
tell you who they are trying to rig the game for.
They are gonna rig the game in some way. And
I would just add, yes, AOC is surging. Who is
the bland white guy that they can cast in the
Joe Biden unthreatening role and then have him effectively be
(17:34):
the trojan horse candidate who they think they can ride
into the gates of power and then throw everything open
and be crazy left wing. I think it's gonna come
down to Mark Kelly versus Andy Basheer for bland white
guy that they try to argue should be the leader.
I don't think Avin Newsom's inviting you to his vineyard anymore, Clay.
(17:54):
I think you are off the vineyard list. I think
he's lost bland white guy standards.
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Speaker 1 (19:01):
I read it. It's delivered to my house, so you
don't have to have it. Front page New York Times
this morning. I am reading upper left corner primary order
creating a rift for Democrats South Carolina and Nevada VI
to be first in twenty twenty eight and Buck, here
is the opening paragraph, and then we can tell you
(19:22):
why this is really the battle that it is. South
Carolina and Nevada have emerged as the two front runners
to begin the twenty twenty eight Democrat presidential nominating calendar,
but their jockeying has grown acrimonious and pitted Black and
Latino party leaders against each other, according to interviews with
more than a dozen party officials involved in the discussions,
(19:45):
A powerful panel of forty nine insiders of the DNC
set to me meet this week in Washington to sketch
out the order of the early state calendar and then
vote next month to finalize the choices. Okay, what's really
at play here, Buck, is who does the DNC what
to rig the primary for? Okay, if South Carolina is
(20:09):
the first state. Now, you made an interesting argument yesterday
that maybe they could convince James Clyburn to not go
Kamala Harris. And that's intriguing in and of itself, and
that would be interesting to watch. I think James Clyburn
one hundred percent would come out in favor of Kamala.
And if he did, South Carolina is off the board
(20:30):
and Kamala is gonna win it overwhelmingly. And if Kamala
wins South Carolina overwhelmingly, then it's going to be hard
to stop the Kamala freight train. What do I mean
by that? My home state of Tennessee. She would win Georgia,
she would win Alabama, she would win everywhere with a
large black population voting in the Democrat primary. Kamala Harris
(20:54):
would roll up big margins all throughout the South and
it would be very, very difficult, I think, to derail
her candidacy. Everyone knows that. So if they put South
Carolina first, they are basically giving a big vote of
confidence to Kamala Harris Buck. If they go Nevada first,
(21:15):
very good chance. I think that AOC or a bland
white guy like Mark Kelly could surge up. Nevada is
very close to California, to probably a state that Gavin
Newsom would think he could compete in.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Would not be good. None of this is good for
like mayor Pete, who only white people like, particularly white women.
All of this is basically telling you who do Democrats
want to rig the game for? And that's why it's
turned into such a nasty battle here.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
How do you see it playing out?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I'm a little I'm a little more generous to our
Democrat opponents here. I would say, I don't know that
it's rigging the game because you have to pick somewhere,
and wherever you pick, someone's going to be advantaged by
that early on, and someone's going to feel disadvantaged by that.
(22:13):
So I don't think there's a perfect way to do
this right. And that means that the people in charge
are going to be trying to think or the people
making the decision are going to be trying to think
about what the optics are for the broader party, and
I think that things are going to get spicy.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Okay, so how much I can tell you reminder for
people who may have forgotten, I mean most of you
probably remember this, but for generations team, you can look
up how long it was going on. Iowa had a caucus,
in New Hampshire had the primary, and.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
They changed it a way because the racial angle of
why the two of the whitest states get to be
early in the that was the argument they made. Actually,
I think it was because Joe Biden had never done
well in Iowa and New Hampshire and he wanted to
ensure he didn't have a legitimate challenger in twenty four
(23:10):
because in twenty James Clyburn said vote Biden and it
was over, Oh the before challenger, who's challenger, who's gonna
I think they rigged.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
They flipped it to South Carolina first. Overall they argued, oh,
this is about showing more racial deference. It was because
Biden could never win Iowa and New Hampshire, so they rigged.
They changed the start of the primary to ensure that
nobody could get momentum against him for the first time ever.
Now they used the fig leaf of it's important that
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black voters have more of a say in who our
nominee is going to be.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Clay the only guy who ran against Biden was the
guy who had no people show up because they changed
it all before they This was long post stop to
stop anyone from from getting it ready.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
No one did get into challenging. No person did, which
it work because they knew that there was no way
that we were going to that we were going to lose,
meaning Biden if South Carolina was first, because then he
was going to storm through and there was no actual
challenger that was ready and able to step forward. So
(24:21):
I think this is.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Now it's going to be hard to move off of
South Carolina because of the argument you made. Once you
make the switch, I think it becomes consequential. The challenge
they've got is Kamala benefits of South Carolina's first. I
don't think Kamala would win Nevada, and so they want
to If they want Kamala to be the choice, and
(24:42):
I think a lot of people don't, then they'll try
to go Nevada. If they want Kamala to be the choice,
then South Carolina is going to be in there. I
just I don't know what Democrat you're going to find
who looks at the numbers and thinks that Kamala Harris
is going to be the person who could overcome any
of them competent Republican candidates that are under consideration right now.
(25:04):
How things could change if for some reason it gets
really ugly in the economy, then I think it's all.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
That to mean, Well, if we're still fighting a war
in Iran and if gas is still four dollars a gallon,
I mean, it's a long time till twenty twenty eight.
But you know, you're in that tough situation where then
an outsider candidate for the Republican Party who isn't affiliated
with the Trump team could potentially have a run a
Ted Cruz, for instance, who is definitely going to run
(25:32):
against JD. We have to figure out what Marco is
gonna do. But I actually think the Democrat side of
the equation is far more complicated because I think there's
ten or twelve guys and gals you could argue could
be the nominee, whereas on the Republican side, I think
beyond I think honestly beyond Cruise and Marco. Sorry Marco
and JD. It's hard to see. If it's not one
(25:55):
of the two of those guys, that would be a
major upset. At this point, I think the Santra is
gonna run. You think he may run resident? Yeah, I
think he's gonna run.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
He may run with the idea that he's pulling a
little bit of a vake, I'm running to be in
your cabinet, sir to Marco or that's a lot of
I'm not sure in his head he would be thinking that.
He would be thinking I'm gonna try to be president,
but secondarily he would take a cabinet position.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So you think, DeSantis, We'll see what happens with Marco
and JD. We agree Cruise is going to run like
it would stun me if ted Cruz didn't run, and
then we'll see. I mean, obviously to your point, I
do think this is always worth You said it a
while ago, and it's hard to refute. Does anybody really
lose by running to president? You make more money, you
get on better boards.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
You get a lot of attention, even if you're not
that serious of a candidate, and a lot of the
people who are in politics, you know what the drug
is that they have an addiction to more than any
other attention being somebody who matters in the moment, whatever
that means. So yeah, I think you'll you'll likely see that.
But remember we shouldn't overstate also the order of the
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primary being the determining factor necessarily. I think there have been,
again pulling this up quickly on Grock, fifteen candidates who
have won the Iowa caucuses but lost the it was
lost the presidency or lost the nomination.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I guess I think it's rare. Biden was a rare
example of someone who didn't come in. I think he
came in fourth in Iowa and fifth in New Hampshire
or reverse that, to not come in even close, and
then in South Carolina suddenly he won and then it
was over.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I mean I remember saying this because then I saw
I said it on radio. I remember seeing Tucker singing
and on his show on Fox. I mean, know, Biden
can't be then, I mean, the guy's got dementia. That's absurd.
And that was not didn't feel like a weird thing
to say at all. It was just an observation that
anybody could have had in twenty nineteen or going into
you know, early twenty twenty. So sure enough you managed
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to pull it off anyway. But what we'll see how
this all goes. I'm telling you that the the the
mechanisms to just tell the left to sit down and
shut up like they did to Bernie in twenty sixteen,
are not as strong as they were. They're going to
have a harder time, I think doing at this time.
Who is the party elder who gets to say, you know,
(28:23):
you do this or else I'll cut off the funds.
I'll cut off the money. You won't be in a
position to even run a serious campaign unless you do
what I say. I don't. I think a lot of
the old guard is has faded out for Democrats and
for Republicans now well. One that I do think will
have a big say is Bernie Sanders, and I think
(28:43):
there's an expectation that he's going to go all in
on AOC, which is uh.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
And then figure mom.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Which strengthens the hard left of the party though, and
now that goes to the.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
And then you figure mom, Donnie's going to go all
in on AOC, right, So AOC, to your point, I
think she knows and again, this is AOC strategy. If
I were thinking through it. AOC knows she has the
far left of the party right now. So to your point,
you are starting to see AOC moderate publicly because privately
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everybody knows, Oh, she's one of us on the far left, Mom, Donnie, Bernie.
They don't doubt it. And now she's already starting to
moderate her message a little bit and start to move
a little bit more towards the center, which boxes out others.
And again, I think Kamala black women are going to
stay behind her. I really do. And so that's why
(29:36):
I think Kamala is going to be a very valuable
candidate going forward.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I think you're underestimating how much the how much the
black primary voter in a Democrat primary is willing to
hear what are you going to do for me from
any candidate. I don't think that. I don't think they
just line up behind Kamala. I really I think that's
le Kamala black women, I think they're not. I think
she's And then she's running her entire campaign on black
(30:03):
women are always disrespected. How many times have you had
to deal I didn't get a fair shake.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I had to go take over for the old white guy.
How many of you at your jobs have had to
cover for the old guy that isn't good enough at
his job. Black women always get second class options. I
can give you her entire speech already, and every black
woman's going to be saying, yep, uh huh, I'm with her,
and it's gonna be hard to shake that off. Now,
is there another minority candidate that can cut into it?
(30:31):
This is where the Wes Moore candidacy potentially rises AOC,
but she's gonna have more of a Hispanic pull. The
Democrat side of this equation is going to tell us
a lot.
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Speaker 1 (31:51):
Looking for normal in a world of crazy playing Buck
have your back.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We have
have some palls, Bonnie and Charleston, South Carolina, and one
of our callers, let's talk Fonnie, what's going on?
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Come on? Can we please be logical about this actress
that's trying to run for president? And by the way, guys,
I know you were pushing Kamala because you passed the bar.
You do know that AOC passed the bar too. It
was just the Margharita.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Bar very nice, very nice, very well played buck. I
put up the question earlier this week who is smarter
AOC or Kamala? And you will be pleased to know
that sixty percent of people agree with you that AOC
is smarter than Kamala. I still say Kamala is smarter. Nope,
but nope, nope. The audience, I appreciate you take the
(32:49):
L on that one.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You take the L on that one, and you know
that's that's good of you because clearly AOC smarter than Kamala.
Although watching them both taste take a what's the test
that they there? You go have them taken El Sad
I was thinking of an Sat but Elsat's fine, same idea.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Exact that we know Kamala pass. That's my argument of
why I think she is better. By the way, Michael
in Atlanta has a good argument here. Coming up in
a couple of weeks is the Michigan primary and they
have to decide between the van down by the River,
Gal Hailey Stevens I believe is her name, or obdual
(33:32):
el Sayed. And Michael is asking a good question because
we've seen the Democrats Socialist aka the communists rising up?
Will that also extend into Michigan fire Away.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Hey, guys, I just wanted to say that, yes, what
we've seen is the rise of these far left progressives.
But I really believe the Democrat base, who are led
probably by people like James Carvill and others, are just
freaking out. What we're seeing right now is yes, l
Siah maybe up. I'm not saying it's gonna nge necessarily
(34:06):
directly on him, but he's right now sort of the
face of the primaries, and I guess what I'm saying is,
if you get a far left like him to win,
you guys may be right that AOC could be the person,
but there's gonna be There's a lot of Democratic money
coming in to defeat him, and I think the base
is going to go to more of a reasonable position
for twenty twenty eight and probably having somebody that's more
(34:29):
palatable to the base, like a Joshapiro, even though the
far left is again, you know, ns.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
There's a zero I appreciate the call, and I appreciate
some of the lats chance Joshapiro, there is a zero
percent chance a Jewish guy is going to be the
head of the Democrat Party ticket in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yep, thank yeah to do true. It's yeah, only going
to get more anti Semitic in the Democrat Party. I
think that John the Joshapiro, I think JB. Pritzker maybe
also off to who may well run. And the best
case scenario those guys can make is that people don't
realize they're Jewish, which sounds crazy. They have to hide
(35:08):
the fact that they are Jewish because I think being
Jewish is exclusionary now when it comes to the Democrat Party.
I think that is correct. So we agree on that.
One podcast listener Mike and Melbourne, Florida.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Let's hear it, Sophie Cunningham, if you're listening, I will
sell everything I own and buy you the biggest engagement
ring I can possibly buy. You're not only dropped dead gorgeous,
you speak your mind and you stand behind what you say.
And that's that's a rare combination.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
You know. I don't know if Sophie's listening, but Clay
could probably get the message to her.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
So Clay is the wedding wedding proposal that we have
received on the program. I think maybe in history podcast
listener Mike and Melbourne, Florida. I don't know that Sophie
needs a big ring. I think she probably can afford
to buy a lot of things for herselves. Now here's
what I want to see, Buck.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
I want to know if any of the companies that
endorse Sophie Cunningham are going to drop her over this
take just costing it out there, because you know what
the activists on the far left typically do is any
time you say anything other than a far left wing opinion,
they all rush to the advertisers and they say, you
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saw it happen on this program back in the day.
Oh my goodness, how dare you platform and be associated
with someone like this. I'm curious to see if any
of her endorsement money, any of her company relationships collapse
around this. I think it would actually be good for
her if it did, because I think there'd be others
that would rush in. But that will be a cultural test.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
In many ways. Open phone lines. What you got for us?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Coming up? Trump talking about what he said, stick with
us
Welcome in. We are rolling through the Thursday edition of
Clay and Buck. We appreciate all of you hanging out
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finding your way to be able to speak with all
of us. So much to be discussed as we roll
through today's program, I jotted down a bunch of things.
Sophie Cunningham has become an absolute megawatt superstar, and if
you don't know her yet, you're about to know her
(00:44):
and love her. She is a women's basketball player. We
talked to me a little bit about her yesterday, Buck,
because she came out and said men shouldn't be able
to compete in women's sports. Became the first that I
know of current pro athlete and women's sports to be
willing to say that. She was grilled by left winging
(01:05):
sports media members who were offended men in particular for
that perspective, and she led with I said what I said,
which I just oh, my heart skips a beat, Buck
when somebody says something that can be controversial, and then
everybody comes after him and you what do you so
often see the mealy mouth? Oh, I apologize to anybody
(01:27):
who was offended. I hate it. And so we'll talk
a bit about that here in a moment. Nevada versus
South Carolina for the first Democrat primary, Hispanic versus black
identity politics go into the Matt Buck has gone after
women with short hair. We will it sounds crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
No, no, no, women being told by their friend to cut
their hair short. That is a different framing, sir. We
will have fun with that, I promise. Also, some of
you out there that are still riding around on would
have still been riding around on horses in the early
(02:07):
car age. You're not happy about self driving cars. There
is data out that they are infinitely safer than driving
driven cars Waimo data. As Tesla and Weimo and many
other companies out there begin the battle over self driving cars,
we will get into that because I think that'll be
(02:28):
really fun and the data is starting to roll in.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
David Rutherford is going to join us. He's going to
talk about testosterone in the military, and then Steve Dace
is going to talk with us. He watched The Odyssey.
I have not seen the Odyssey. Buck has not seen it,
but it is a big story and so we will
be discussing that. But we began Buck with yesterday evening.
As I was sitting down to eat my dinner, there
(02:51):
is a pregame press availability for Sophie Cunningham. And after
she said that men should not be able to play
in women's sports, that boys should not be able to
play in girl sports, the crazy sports media, which continues
to get crazier, decided that they were going to speak
(03:12):
out and attack her. She is grilled by WNBA reporters
over those comments that she made in an ESPN article,
and she began by saying, I stand by what I said.
Cut sixteen and that story with ESPN.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
You talked about wanting to protect young girls who shouldn't
have to go against biological men.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Just can you expand your viewpoint on that.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I mean, I think I said what I said.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I think it's kind of common sense, and I think
I'll always believe in that. I think it's really important
to protect children, and that's little girls who are also involved.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
In that category.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
And so I stand on what I said and I
always believe that. Do you see your advocacy on that
like taking any form going forward?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I didn't. I'm not a very political person, but I
do have beliefs, I have morals, and I'll always stand
on those and be true true to who I am.
And I think people are going to take it how
they want to take it. But I've never even really
said anything about that. And so when it comes just
to protecting young girls in sport and women in sport,
I feel very strongly about that. I think that's why
you have Title nine, That's why you have some of the.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Greats in women's sports.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
If Title nine and women's sports weren't protected, then you
wouldn't hear about any type of women in sport. And
so I think in the future it's just really important to.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Protect okay buck, she continued, And I feel like I'm
just saying hallelujah because I've been waiting for someone in
women's sports, current athlete to speak out like this. Then
a reporter on a left wing news organization asked if
she was targeting trans people as you would expect here
is cut seventeen. Some people might say hanging for the
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trans community.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
This could be something that could come back on us
or be targeted against us.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Like, how do you guess view that sort of critique?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You know, Like I said, I extend love and I
don't dislike anyone, Like I think there is room for
absolutely everyone here, and I think there's room to love everyone.
I truly think when you get people in the same
room you have conversations, you actually have a lot comm.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
With a lot in comm with a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And so I'm there to love, but I'm also there
to love biological women. And I think that there are
rights that need to be protected, and like I said,
I'm going to stand true to that. I'll never falter
in my beliefs in that. But I have never once
said I hated the trans community. Like I said, I
think they're space for everyone.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
So are you in disbelief that this is actually a
thing that has to be said. No, I'm surprised that
it took this long for someone like her in women's
athletics to take this position honestly, and to take it
at the w NBA, which is probably the wokest of
the women's sports leagues, or at least the most openly so.
(05:50):
And I think that the way she's doing it is
also it's very well, it's it's accurate, it's truthful, and
it's also tactically very smart, which is to say, this
is about protecting women. This isn't about you know, Trump
or right wing or Republicans or anything like that. This
is about protecting women and protecting women specifically in sports.
(06:13):
I know Riley Gaines has been out there making this case.
Obviously Riley's a friend of the show, and there have
been some others. I haven't seen anyone from the WNBA
willing to say this. I think Caitlyn Clark is making
too many hostage videos as it is from the court,
as she's being battered and attacked by people that are
jealous of her money and fame. But this is something
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that they don't have an answer to, which is who's
the one who's really defending women here? What they want
to say, well, what about trans women? No, no, they're
not women. So to defend women, you actually have to
not allow trans women to compete against women in sports.
This destroying gender categories in sports is the destruction of
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women's sports fundamentally, and everybody knows it. And this is
why they have just had years of this cult like
cognitive dissonance of we're all about equality for women, including
men who think they're women, beating beating up those women
in athletic competition because they have physical advantage.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Legitimately beating them up and winning a gold medal at
the Summer Olympics, which just happened. So this is I
think it's so important. So if you're out there listening
right now and you've got daughters. I said this last night.
I was on Sean Hannity show. We were talking about it,
I would go buy a Sophie Cunningham jersey. I would
make sure that these jerseys are sold out, because if
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you're out there and you're fed up, the best thing
I think you can do is support people in women's
sports who are willing to speak out on this buck.
I saw Anika Sornstam, who's one of the best women's golfers,
has now shared Sophie Cunningham's take and endorsed it. We
have women's teas on golf courses for anyone out there
(08:05):
who plays. I mean men can typically hit the golf
ball a lot further than women, And I mean this
is not this is basic biology doesn't mean look, my
golf swing is awful. There's a lot of women out
there listening to us right now who can hit the
ball better than I can at golf. But a general
male athlete is going to be much better at this.
By the way, this is also.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Going to be seen as an anti Meghan Rapino take
after Sophie Cunningham spoke out buck our good friends at
the View the Morons there, they shared this clip of
Megan Rapino on The View saying any removal of men
and women's athletics is a direct attack on women in society.
(08:47):
Because this is the other side of that argument. Retired
women's soccer player Megan Rapino, this is out there. I
think this is a battle women have to fight. I mean, look,
I can tell you what I think, but I think
women need to fight this battle on behalf of women's
at fat. What the other side is, Megan Orpino.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Listen, guests are going after trans people in sports, and
they're using this as a wedge issue because we love
sports and you know, we don't want our little girls
to be unsafe in sports, and it's like unsafe from who.
But okay, but now we're using this as like an
overarching thing, when really what we're attacking women. We're saying
if you look like this as a woman, you can play.
(09:22):
If you look like this is one. It's an attack
on women in society. And I think the tie between
the Heritage Foundation now wanting to go after title nine,
it's just like so blatant, like, let's connect these thoughts.
It's more than just a couple of trans kids in
the entire country and in a couple in each state
being able to participate in some new sports.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
It's just blather you. Actually, there's no argument here. Yeah, well, rather,
there's no logical progression into anything she's saying. It's just
a bunch of feelings that she has strewn together that
are trying to make the point that she stands with
the men who say they're women, because the argument here
is very much on the side of people who live
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in reality and see it for what it is, women
who look a certain way. Who says it's about women
who look a certain way butch ladies who have competed
in sports for a long time. No one has said
anything about that unless that butch lady actually has a penis.
That's the distinguishing characteristic here.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, I'm laughing because this is so basic for anyone
out there. And look, the sports media hates this. There's
an article, Buck, I wanted to read this to you
because I don't think you've seen it, and I think
your head is going to explode. This is USA Today,
(10:50):
So Sophie Cunningham initially became a faying.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Can I just say one thing while before you let
to you this suba. This is kind of like a
sprinkling little spice into this. You know how you told
me that the sports media was more left wing than
even political, and I had a hard time believing it
is true. They're also even dumber than I thought, though
I will say that it's they're very, very dumb in general.
I mean, please continue.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
It is true that I've been dominating a lot of
people with you know, borderline hundred at IQs for a
long time. Listen to this. This is a USA Today
Sports column Today, okay, by a writer named Nancy Armor.
She is arguing that Caitlin Clark, arguing with officials is
(11:30):
putting black lives in danger. This is her real column, Buck.
Listen to this. It seems there is a white nationalist
element to Clark's fandom that is deeply, deeply problematic, made
even more so because the WNBA is made up predominantly
of black women, many of them queer. When Clark claims
(11:50):
fouls that don't exist, when she goes on profanity lace
tirades at referees, those racists see her as a white
woman in need of saying and take matters into their
own hands. Okay, this is a real column that is out.
I think this woman belongs in, by the way, a
(12:10):
straight jacket in a mental institution. She continues. It shouldn't
need reminding. This country has an awful history of black
people being harmed, even killed. This is a sports article
in the name of defending white women. The WNBA's All
Star Game this weekend is in Chicago, Emmett Till's hometown,
and a local art gallery is currently hosting an exhibit
(12:32):
imagining his life if he hadn't been lynched. While it's
incumbent on the WNBA to do more to protect its players,
there also should be an expectation on Clark to recognize
the wider consequences of her actions. Imagine you are Joe
Schmoe sports fan and you let's pretend you still get
(12:53):
the USA today and you sit down and you're like, hey,
you know what, I just want to read about sports,
and then you read that you're a white supremacist because
you support Kaitlin Clark having five threes last night. I mean,
this is what we have to fight and people out
there who say, why does this matter again? You have
(13:13):
to win culture in order to win elections. And if
you stand up for Sophie Cunningham just speaking basic truth,
I think you embolden and empower a lot of other
women that are afraid of being attacked by these crazy
people in sports media to also stand up and speak
out loud. So that's why I think this is a
(13:34):
supremely significant story. And bravo Sophie Cunningham for being willing
to speak out. We'll take some of your calls. By
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Welcome back in here to Clay and back. We have
some important found bites for you from Trump's Marietta, Georgia speech,
which we will be getting to as well. We're going
to be dialing deeper, diving deeper, dialing in or diving deeper.
I got to go with one or the other into
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the political back and forth as the midterm election approaches.
So part of that is like Georgia, the Senate seat
that's up for grabs there, we had the candidate on yesterday.
We'll look at some of these individual races. And then
also just for fun, Clay has seen and I have
seen that's currently the polling shows none other than AOC
(16:14):
as the preferred Democrat presidential candidate in was it Iowa,
New Hampshire, New Hampshire, New Hampshire, in New Hampshire. So
that is also indicating something here there isn't Clay. This
is why I think it'll be fascinating to watch this
play out among the Democrats. They don't have a Clinton
(16:35):
and Obama or a Biden in the mix. They don't
have a Gore, they don't have somebody who's been They
have Kamala Harris, who I think has a well we'll see,
but I think has a pretty weak brand relative to
those other names. And then they have a whole left
wing of the party that is lurching harder to the
(16:57):
left with each passing day. And this may be the
time when all of a sudden, people see who really
calls the shots in the Democrat Party these days, it
might be a little bit different. No longer the Pelosi
Clinton Party. It's turning into something else.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Well, and where they pick as the first primary will
tell you who they are trying to rig the game for.
They are gonna rig the game in some way. And
I would just add, yes, AOC is surging. Who is
the bland white guy that they can cast in the
Joe Biden unthreatening role and then have him effectively be
(17:34):
the trojan horse candidate who they think they can ride
into the gates of power and then throw everything open
and be crazy left wing. I think it's gonna come
down to Mark Kelly versus Andy Basheer for bland white
guy that they try to argue should be the leader.
I don't think Avin Newsom's inviting you to his vineyard anymore, Clay.
(17:54):
I think you are off the vineyard list. I think
he's lost bland white guy standards.
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Speaker 1 (19:01):
I read it. It's delivered to my house, so you
don't have to have it. Front page New York Times
this morning. I am reading upper left corner primary order
creating a rift for Democrats South Carolina and Nevada VI
to be first in twenty twenty eight and Buck, here
is the opening paragraph, and then we can tell you
(19:22):
why this is really the battle that it is. South
Carolina and Nevada have emerged as the two front runners
to begin the twenty twenty eight Democrat presidential nominating calendar,
but their jockeying has grown acrimonious and pitted Black and
Latino party leaders against each other, according to interviews with
more than a dozen party officials involved in the discussions,
(19:45):
A powerful panel of forty nine insiders of the DNC
set to me meet this week in Washington to sketch
out the order of the early state calendar and then
vote next month to finalize the choices. Okay, what's really
at play here, Buck, is who does the DNC what
to rig the primary for? Okay, if South Carolina is
(20:09):
the first state. Now, you made an interesting argument yesterday
that maybe they could convince James Clyburn to not go
Kamala Harris. And that's intriguing in and of itself, and
that would be interesting to watch. I think James Clyburn
one hundred percent would come out in favor of Kamala.
And if he did, South Carolina is off the board
(20:30):
and Kamala is gonna win it overwhelmingly. And if Kamala
wins South Carolina overwhelmingly, then it's going to be hard
to stop the Kamala freight train. What do I mean
by that? My home state of Tennessee. She would win Georgia,
she would win Alabama, she would win everywhere with a
large black population voting in the Democrat primary. Kamala Harris
(20:54):
would roll up big margins all throughout the South and
it would be very, very difficult, I think, to derail
her candidacy. Everyone knows that. So if they put South
Carolina first, they are basically giving a big vote of
confidence to Kamala Harris Buck. If they go Nevada first,
(21:15):
very good chance. I think that AOC or a bland
white guy like Mark Kelly could surge up. Nevada is
very close to California, to probably a state that Gavin
Newsom would think he could compete in.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Would not be good. None of this is good for
like mayor Pete, who only white people like, particularly white women.
All of this is basically telling you who do Democrats
want to rig the game for? And that's why it's
turned into such a nasty battle here.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
How do you see it playing out?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I'm a little I'm a little more generous to our
Democrat opponents here. I would say, I don't know that
it's rigging the game because you have to pick somewhere,
and wherever you pick, someone's going to be advantaged by
that early on, and someone's going to feel disadvantaged by that.
(22:13):
So I don't think there's a perfect way to do
this right. And that means that the people in charge
are going to be trying to think or the people
making the decision are going to be trying to think
about what the optics are for the broader party, and
I think that things are going to get spicy.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Okay, so how much I can tell you reminder for
people who may have forgotten, I mean most of you
probably remember this, but for generations team, you can look
up how long it was going on. Iowa had a caucus,
in New Hampshire had the primary, and.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
They changed it a way because the racial angle of
why the two of the whitest states get to be
early in the that was the argument they made. Actually,
I think it was because Joe Biden had never done
well in Iowa and New Hampshire and he wanted to
ensure he didn't have a legitimate challenger in twenty four
(23:10):
because in twenty James Clyburn said vote Biden and it
was over, Oh the before challenger, who's challenger, who's gonna
I think they rigged.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
They flipped it to South Carolina first. Overall they argued, oh,
this is about showing more racial deference. It was because
Biden could never win Iowa and New Hampshire, so they rigged.
They changed the start of the primary to ensure that
nobody could get momentum against him for the first time ever.
Now they used the fig leaf of it's important that
(23:41):
black voters have more of a say in who our
nominee is going to be.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Clay the only guy who ran against Biden was the
guy who had no people show up because they changed
it all before they This was long post stop to
stop anyone from from getting it ready.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
No one did get into challenging. No person did, which
it work because they knew that there was no way
that we were going to that we were going to lose,
meaning Biden if South Carolina was first, because then he
was going to storm through and there was no actual
challenger that was ready and able to step forward. So
(24:21):
I think this is.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Now it's going to be hard to move off of
South Carolina because of the argument you made. Once you
make the switch, I think it becomes consequential. The challenge
they've got is Kamala benefits of South Carolina's first. I
don't think Kamala would win Nevada, and so they want
to If they want Kamala to be the choice, and
(24:42):
I think a lot of people don't, then they'll try
to go Nevada. If they want Kamala to be the choice,
then South Carolina is going to be in there. I
just I don't know what Democrat you're going to find
who looks at the numbers and thinks that Kamala Harris
is going to be the person who could overcome any
of them competent Republican candidates that are under consideration right now.
(25:04):
How things could change if for some reason it gets
really ugly in the economy, then I think it's all.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
That to mean, Well, if we're still fighting a war
in Iran and if gas is still four dollars a gallon,
I mean, it's a long time till twenty twenty eight.
But you know, you're in that tough situation where then
an outsider candidate for the Republican Party who isn't affiliated
with the Trump team could potentially have a run a
Ted Cruz, for instance, who is definitely going to run
(25:32):
against JD. We have to figure out what Marco is
gonna do. But I actually think the Democrat side of
the equation is far more complicated because I think there's
ten or twelve guys and gals you could argue could
be the nominee, whereas on the Republican side, I think
beyond I think honestly beyond Cruise and Marco. Sorry Marco
and JD. It's hard to see. If it's not one
(25:55):
of the two of those guys, that would be a
major upset. At this point, I think the Santra is
gonna run. You think he may run resident? Yeah, I
think he's gonna run.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
He may run with the idea that he's pulling a
little bit of a vake, I'm running to be in
your cabinet, sir to Marco or that's a lot of
I'm not sure in his head he would be thinking that.
He would be thinking I'm gonna try to be president,
but secondarily he would take a cabinet position.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So you think, DeSantis, We'll see what happens with Marco
and JD. We agree Cruise is going to run like
it would stun me if ted Cruz didn't run, and
then we'll see. I mean, obviously to your point, I
do think this is always worth You said it a
while ago, and it's hard to refute. Does anybody really
lose by running to president? You make more money, you
get on better boards.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
You get a lot of attention, even if you're not
that serious of a candidate, and a lot of the
people who are in politics, you know what the drug
is that they have an addiction to more than any
other attention being somebody who matters in the moment, whatever
that means. So yeah, I think you'll you'll likely see that.
But remember we shouldn't overstate also the order of the
(27:06):
primary being the determining factor necessarily. I think there have been,
again pulling this up quickly on Grock, fifteen candidates who
have won the Iowa caucuses but lost the it was
lost the presidency or lost the nomination.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I guess I think it's rare. Biden was a rare
example of someone who didn't come in. I think he
came in fourth in Iowa and fifth in New Hampshire
or reverse that, to not come in even close, and
then in South Carolina suddenly he won and then it
was over.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I mean I remember saying this because then I saw
I said it on radio. I remember seeing Tucker singing
and on his show on Fox. I mean, know, Biden
can't be then, I mean, the guy's got dementia. That's absurd.
And that was not didn't feel like a weird thing
to say at all. It was just an observation that
anybody could have had in twenty nineteen or going into
you know, early twenty twenty. So sure enough you managed
(28:02):
to pull it off anyway. But what we'll see how
this all goes. I'm telling you that the the the
mechanisms to just tell the left to sit down and
shut up like they did to Bernie in twenty sixteen,
are not as strong as they were. They're going to
have a harder time, I think doing at this time.
Who is the party elder who gets to say, you know,
(28:23):
you do this or else I'll cut off the funds.
I'll cut off the money. You won't be in a
position to even run a serious campaign unless you do
what I say. I don't. I think a lot of
the old guard is has faded out for Democrats and
for Republicans now well. One that I do think will
have a big say is Bernie Sanders, and I think
(28:43):
there's an expectation that he's going to go all in
on AOC, which is uh.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
And then figure mom.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Which strengthens the hard left of the party though, and
now that goes to the.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
And then you figure mom, Donnie's going to go all
in on AOC, right, So AOC, to your point, I
think she knows and again, this is AOC strategy. If
I were thinking through it. AOC knows she has the
far left of the party right now. So to your point,
you are starting to see AOC moderate publicly because privately
(29:14):
everybody knows, Oh, she's one of us on the far left, Mom, Donnie, Bernie.
They don't doubt it. And now she's already starting to
moderate her message a little bit and start to move
a little bit more towards the center, which boxes out others.
And again, I think Kamala black women are going to
stay behind her. I really do. And so that's why
(29:36):
I think Kamala is going to be a very valuable
candidate going forward.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I think you're underestimating how much the how much the
black primary voter in a Democrat primary is willing to
hear what are you going to do for me from
any candidate. I don't think that. I don't think they
just line up behind Kamala. I really I think that's
le Kamala black women, I think they're not. I think
she's And then she's running her entire campaign on black
(30:03):
women are always disrespected. How many times have you had
to deal I didn't get a fair shake.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I had to go take over for the old white guy.
How many of you at your jobs have had to
cover for the old guy that isn't good enough at
his job. Black women always get second class options. I
can give you her entire speech already, and every black
woman's going to be saying, yep, uh huh, I'm with her,
and it's gonna be hard to shake that off. Now,
is there another minority candidate that can cut into it?
(30:31):
This is where the Wes Moore candidacy potentially rises AOC,
but she's gonna have more of a Hispanic pull. The
Democrat side of this equation is going to tell us
a lot.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
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that pass along the next person. By the time it
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Speaker 1 (31:51):
Looking for normal in a world of crazy playing Buck
have your back.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We have
have some palls, Bonnie and Charleston, South Carolina, and one
of our callers, let's talk Fonnie, what's going on?
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Come on? Can we please be logical about this actress
that's trying to run for president? And by the way, guys,
I know you were pushing Kamala because you passed the bar.
You do know that AOC passed the bar too. It
was just the Margharita.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Bar very nice, very nice, very well played buck. I
put up the question earlier this week who is smarter
AOC or Kamala? And you will be pleased to know
that sixty percent of people agree with you that AOC
is smarter than Kamala. I still say Kamala is smarter. Nope,
but nope, nope. The audience, I appreciate you take the
(32:49):
L on that one.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You take the L on that one, and you know
that's that's good of you because clearly AOC smarter than Kamala.
Although watching them both taste take a what's the test
that they there? You go have them taken El Sad
I was thinking of an Sat but Elsat's fine, same idea.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Exact that we know Kamala pass. That's my argument of
why I think she is better. By the way, Michael
in Atlanta has a good argument here. Coming up in
a couple of weeks is the Michigan primary and they
have to decide between the van down by the River,
Gal Hailey Stevens I believe is her name, or obdual
(33:32):
el Sayed. And Michael is asking a good question because
we've seen the Democrats Socialist aka the communists rising up?
Will that also extend into Michigan fire Away.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Hey, guys, I just wanted to say that, yes, what
we've seen is the rise of these far left progressives.
But I really believe the Democrat base, who are led
probably by people like James Carvill and others, are just
freaking out. What we're seeing right now is yes, l
Siah maybe up. I'm not saying it's gonna nge necessarily
(34:06):
directly on him, but he's right now sort of the
face of the primaries, and I guess what I'm saying is,
if you get a far left like him to win,
you guys may be right that AOC could be the person,
but there's gonna be There's a lot of Democratic money
coming in to defeat him, and I think the base
is going to go to more of a reasonable position
for twenty twenty eight and probably having somebody that's more
(34:29):
palatable to the base, like a Joshapiro, even though the
far left is again, you know, ns.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
There's a zero I appreciate the call, and I appreciate
some of the lats chance Joshapiro, there is a zero
percent chance a Jewish guy is going to be the
head of the Democrat Party ticket in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yep, thank yeah to do true. It's yeah, only going
to get more anti Semitic in the Democrat Party. I
think that John the Joshapiro, I think JB. Pritzker maybe
also off to who may well run. And the best
case scenario those guys can make is that people don't
realize they're Jewish, which sounds crazy. They have to hide
(35:08):
the fact that they are Jewish because I think being
Jewish is exclusionary now when it comes to the Democrat Party.
I think that is correct. So we agree on that.
One podcast listener Mike and Melbourne, Florida.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Let's hear it, Sophie Cunningham, if you're listening, I will
sell everything I own and buy you the biggest engagement
ring I can possibly buy. You're not only dropped dead gorgeous,
you speak your mind and you stand behind what you say.
And that's that's a rare combination.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
You know. I don't know if Sophie's listening, but Clay
could probably get the message to her.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
So Clay is the wedding wedding proposal that we have
received on the program. I think maybe in history podcast
listener Mike and Melbourne, Florida. I don't know that Sophie
needs a big ring. I think she probably can afford
to buy a lot of things for herselves. Now here's
what I want to see, Buck.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
I want to know if any of the companies that
endorse Sophie Cunningham are going to drop her over this
take just costing it out there, because you know what
the activists on the far left typically do is any
time you say anything other than a far left wing opinion,
they all rush to the advertisers and they say, you
(36:25):
saw it happen on this program back in the day.
Oh my goodness, how dare you platform and be associated
with someone like this. I'm curious to see if any
of her endorsement money, any of her company relationships collapse
around this. I think it would actually be good for
her if it did, because I think there'd be others
that would rush in. But that will be a cultural test.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
In many ways. Open phone lines. What you got for us?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
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