August 3, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show focused heavily on the growing national debate over transgender participation in women’s sports, particularly following comments from Indiana Fever player Sophie Cunningham regarding biological males competing in the WNBA. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton analyzed the widespread reaction from WNBA coaches, players, media figures, and activists, arguing that women’s sports, gender identity, biological sex, fairness in athletics, and free speech have become major cultural and political flashpoints. The hosts discussed statements from several WNBA coaches who emphasized inclusion and support for transgender athletes, while Clay and Buck criticized what they viewed as reluctance among sports figures to clearly address biological differences between men and women. The conversation expanded into broader discussions about political correctness, gender ideology, cultural pressure within professional sports, and the impact of the transgender sports debate on public opinion and national politics.
A major segment centered on what the hosts characterized as growing resistance within women’s sports to transgender participation policies. They repeatedly referenced Sophie Cunningham’s comments and the reaction they generated across the WNBA and sports media. Clay argued that allowing biological males to compete in women’s leagues undermines competitive fairness and opportunities for female athletes, while Buck suggested that many athletes and coaches privately agree but are hesitant to speak publicly due to fear of professional consequences. The hosts also examined comments from Caitlin Clark, interpreting her response as an attempt to avoid becoming embroiled in a politically charged controversy.
The hour featured extensive discussion of the WNBA itself, with Clay contending that the league increasingly operates as a political and cultural advocacy platform rather than solely as a professional sports organization. The hosts debated whether league leadership should establish definitive policies regarding eligibility and participation in women’s basketball. Clay further proposed a high-profile challenge involving elite boys’ basketball teams competing against WNBA players as a way to illustrate physical differences between male and female athletes, framing the proposal as both a sports and public-policy discussion.
Throughout the hour, Clay and Buck connected the sports controversy to broader societal questions involving identity politics, inclusion, free expression, social conformity, and public trust in institutions. They argued that debates surrounding transgender athletes have become symbolic of larger disagreements about science, culture, and truth in public discourse. Several caller interactions reinforced these themes, with listeners discussing the future of women’s sports, competitive equity, and potential implications if transgender participation expands within professional leagues.
The program also briefly previewed other major topics expected later in the show, including New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani, President Donald Trump’s remarks aboard Air Force One, reactions involving Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and CNN’s Dana Bash, and broader political developments. Additionally, the hosts promoted the show’s growing YouTube audience and announced a special post-show online discussion featuring conservative comedian and commentator Erin Wexler.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Monday edition of the Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show, often known as Clay and Buck.
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And to that end, let me just tell you our
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
I've had her on the Buck Brief podcast many times.
She is a fast rising conservative female comedian and she's
super smart too political comments here. She'll be with us
at the end of the show today third hour, but
also is gonna stay with us for a special YouTube
hangout session YouTube only post show. So today is a
(01:16):
great day for you to begin your clayon Buck YouTube experience.
Check us out on the video. There, Aaron will be
taking live questions. It'll be a lot of fun. She's
actually gonna be with me in studio here in Miami.
Her and my wife are friends. There may be some
cookies made. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be great.
Now we have Clay a bunch of big stories for
everybody's enjoyment. First of all, Mom Donnie's New York. We
(01:39):
have Mom Donnie talking about how you have to show
ID to get the special on the Wonderbread. Okay, if
you're going to go into one of the one of
the Bolshevik bodegas that Mam Donnie is opening up, you
are going to have to show ID. We'll discuss that.
A prominent left of center podcaster who is also on
Bill Mara Think this past week, he has expressed surprise
(02:03):
that Mom Donnie is running a revolution that will devour
people irrespective of their political affiliation. The commis come for everyone. Essentially,
we'll discuss that Clay. We had Trump at Air Force one,
some funny stuff from him, some policy stuff. Also, what
was it, Oh, Dana bash I never get her name right,
(02:25):
Dana Bash right doing her thing on CNN and getting
absolutely lit up by RFK Junior. You will enjoy that.
If you have not heard it, we will play that
for you in a little bit. But I come to
you today to discuss something that I would not have
assumed going into August of the summer, Clay would be
the biggest story in the country. Let's just set the
(02:46):
table for a second. Then you can tell everybody why
this has turned into such a freak out situation. A
member of the WNBA's is it the fever that she's on?
Is that right? Yes? Cunningham Trophie Cunningham, who is a
blonde haired white woman who is very good looking and
in the w NBA. She said she doesn't think dude
(03:09):
should I'm paraphrasing, but she doesn't think dude should play
in the.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
W n B. A.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Now, this has resulted in a in a collective left
wing freak out, a trans Live Matter movement trans Lives
matter movement, if you will, and all of these coaches
and all these professional athletes saying completely insane things. Clay,
shall we start with Golden State Valkyries head coach here?
(03:35):
This has cut three. Should men be able to play
in the w n b A, and this is what
it's said.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Playing for me, sports is about belonging. It's about inclusivity.
It's about allowing everyone to be their authentic self. You know,
I'm big on that, just because I have been criticized
for my height, for my ethnicity. I've been in those
you shouldn't belong here many times, and for me, I
(04:02):
don't want that space, especially Golden State, to ever feel
like that. So I'm all about women, little girls deserving
to play, and that includes trans women. So I'm all
about inclusivity.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Okay, I'm all about inclusivity. Buck, Men should be able
to play in women's sports. All of this coming out
of Sophie Cunningham's just standing up and saying women's sports
should be for women. Let me play a couple of
more cuts here, because this story exploded over the weekend
and left wingers are truly dying on the hill of
(04:35):
men pretending to be women are actually women, and many
of those are liberal white women like Indiana Fever coach
Stephanie White. I don't know if you heard this clip Buck,
She was asked if men should be able to play
in women's sports her thoughts about it by an OutKick reporter.
This is what she said. She said, She's not educated enough, Buck,
(04:57):
from a scientific standpoint. This is a real answer from
a grown adult women's coach.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Cut seven.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I don't know that I would say that I'm educated
enough from a scientific standpoint. I don't ever believe that
exclusion is an answer.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I do think, you know, when we think about various
levels of sport, on various governing bodies of sport and
things that go into that, Like I said, I'm not
educated enough at the different levels. I know growing up,
I played with the boys all the time.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
So you girl sports, would you welcome a biological mail
in WNBA.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Again, It's like, I don't know when we talk about
biological male and scientifically where we are. I think it's
a totally different scenario. You know, as I said, I'm
not educated enough in terms of transgender and transitioning to
give you to give you a smart answer. I would
say though, that I just don't feel like exclusion is
an answer, and I think that we need to have deeper,
(05:47):
more layered conversation.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Okay, Buck, This woman graduated from Purdue University, Go boiler Makers,
Phive Beta Kappa and was one of the academic All Americans.
From all intents and purposes, she is a very intelligent woman,
quite well educated. She's afraid of speaking out and saying
the truth. By the way, there's other elements of this too.
(06:10):
The women's basketball coach for the Minnesota Links coached against
Sophie Cunningham's Indiana Fever team. She wore a protect trans
Kids shirt on the sideline during the game. Buck, and
she said she spoke out about this as well. Here
she is cut one saying we need to protect trans kids.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
I don't think we should feel like our safe space
is being threaten. That's what I enjoy about the WNBA,
and I think we have to continue to safeguard that.
I come from a space of conclusion, and the narrative
that I think that is problematic is to suggest that
number one, that transgender athletes are the biggest problem in
(06:55):
women's sports. And now I think this is what's bother
saw is that there's a faction of people in our
country that are making this amassive issue. We have some issues.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Number one, we.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
Need to pertect trans kids, every kid. For me, it's
a human rights issue.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Okay, buck, these people are crazy, Okay, So this is
this is what's really important. I have two observations for
you on this clay, because you're you're you're touching on
zero point one there, but I'll take that second. First is,
notice how when these people who take this position speak,
they all do so like they are a cult member
(07:38):
or like they're honestly in some totalitarian communist country speaking
about the glories of the grain harvest and how this
year will be more than the last year and the
year after that will be more even though everyone is starving.
Like they they're clearly saying things that they do not believe,
and they're grasping for the jargon. See it sounds like jargon.
(08:02):
They're using this word inclusive, exclusive, inclusive, exclusive. They're just
leaning on these things to try to signal to people,
please don't attack us, like, please don't come after me.
I will do what the cult demands. I will do
what the trans lives matter.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Movement is demanding of me here, right, because no one
speaks the way that they speak normally. They're trying to
fall back into these can phrases and things like, well,
I'm not a biology expert. You don't need to be
a biology expert to know that a penis is not
a vagina, and a vagina is not a penis. You
can actually know that without being an expert. And so yes,
(08:41):
the team is pointing out these are manufactured delusions, which
is why the book is still doing so well. Thank you,
but Clay, the second part of this is this is
what you touched on. Yes, trans people who think that
they should play against women because they're really women. They
have a mental health issue. This is very obvious. The
DSM four, i think, treated it as such out of
the DSM five. Because psychiatrists are, unfortunate, the most left
(09:02):
wing of any medical profession, they've like changed this and
it's no longer generous for you. They're clearly there's something
they're having a problem, they need help, but there is
a mentally ill cohort around them of millions of people
who are left wing and brainwashed who will go along
with this. And that's what you actually see happening here.
(09:23):
It's not just the delusion of the individual who is
trans It is the people around them who will fight
on their behalf for this.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Okay, Buck, I've got two aggressive moves that I am
undertaking here, and I'm one hundred percent serious about this,
and I'm going to share both of them with you.
First of all, I will buy a WNBA expansion franchise.
As the primary owner of that franchise, I will bring
(09:53):
them to my hometown where I do this show from Nashville, Tennessee.
We will call them Well, I'll get to that in
a second. I will pledge that one hundred percent of
my team will be trans. That will be men pretending
to be women. Our entire coaching staff will be trans
that is men pretending to be women. We will not
(10:15):
lose a single game. There are probably some games, Buck,
where we will not even give up a single point.
I will call this team the Nashville Balls, and I
will become a dynastic sports owner. In addition to continuing
to do this show with you and all my other
shows and all my other companies, I will own a
(10:36):
WNBA franchise. I will buy it, and I will play
only men who identify as women, wear wigs or run around,
do whatever we need to do to be officially classified
as identifying as women. This is what they're now saying
is permitted. I will do it. I will buy a team.
I'll put my money where my mouth is. Secondly, before Buck,
(10:57):
you remember I offered a million dollars if the WNBA
champ which is right now, the Las Vegas Aces. I
believe if they would play a boys' high school state
championship team of my choosing, I would give a million
dollars to the winning team. Buck, I will now give
ten million dollars to the winning team. We will put
(11:20):
this on pay per view. We will send all the profits,
of which there will be probably tens of millions to
Tunnel to Towers T two T dot Org. Are good
friends there for mortgage free homes for veterans, the families
of veterans, first responders, police people who have lost their
lives defending this country. Ten million dollars. I will wheel
(11:42):
it out. I don't even know how much space. Ten
million dollars, will dump, truck it out, put it in
the arena. A boys' high school team will get ten
million dollars if they win the WNBA. They say that
they're underpaid, they say that they're as good as men.
Let's decide it once and for all. And I think
you have to be hyperbolic to respond to the absurdity here,
(12:04):
because if you are not, then they will just continue
to chirp, they'll continue to talk. So I think you
have to put money behind your words. I am taking
them at their words, and I will put ten million
dollars boys high school team state champ of my choice
versus WNBA, and or I will also purchase a WNBA
(12:26):
franchise and only play men who identify as women, and
that is the trans community in the WNBA. I doubt
that the WNBA will respond to this, but this is
real money on the table in a significant way, and
I think what it does is it forces them to
justify in some way their positions. It also draws even
(12:46):
more attention. I think this is important, by the way,
because we've said this before. Trump won the twenty twenty
four election largely on the issue of men and women's sports,
and some people say, well, it's not that serious. In
the grand scheme of things, you will hear a lot
of people tell you defend the idea of men and
women's sports, while simultaneously saying I don't know why you care.
Why do you care so much? It's because of this.
(13:09):
If you will lie to me about this, then I
can't trust you on anything else. It is a gate
keeping to me, a test of your basic honesty. If
you are arguing to me that men are the equivalent
of women, or that men belong in women's sports than
every other political position that you have, I cannot trust
(13:29):
you because you are willing to lie to me about
something that is as basic as biology. So my double
challenges are out there. They are now public. I have
tweeted them. We can clip it, we can share it
on YouTube, and we will see buck whether anybody is
willing to actually stand behind the arguments that they are
making when there are actually dollars at stake here, and we'll.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Take your calls. Eight hundred and two two two eight
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Speaker 2 (13:57):
We may have to start creating Nashville Balls WNBA champion gear,
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Speaker 1 (15:25):
Common sense never sounded so good. Clay and Buck owning
the airwaves.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Welcome back in play and Buck. We are rolling through
the program. Uh, and a lot of you are reacting
to my Nashville Balls franchise, newest dynasty. And also remember
Rush tried to buy the Saint Louis Rams. I think
the Nashville Balls are much more affordable. The Saint Louis
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Speaker 1 (16:06):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Media is rallying to defend and attack anyone who says
men don't belong in the WNBA, and in fact, here
is Katie Nolan, formerly of Fox Sports, formerly of ESPN.
When you've got a lot of former laes, it's probably
a sign that you haven't been incredibly successful in your
career saying you don't have critical thinking skills if you
(16:28):
are speaking out on this cut five.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
Sophie Cunningham throwing her hat in the ring of political
grift and then turn her around and saying, but you'd
be surprised about my beliefs. A lot of people like
to think I'm right wing and I'm not. I believe
all different things, but this to me just seems like
common sense. All you're telling us, Sophie, is that you
don't really have critical thinking skills or that you aren't
interested in employing them. You're taking the message that's being
(16:53):
given to you by people that are highly invested in
this dividing us, and you're helping them sell it by
not questioning it at all, which is extra crazy given
the fact you're surrounded by people you could talk to
about this issue to better understand it. Because the W
has a lot of members of the LGBTQ community.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
This is an example of a dumb argument that someone
who thinks they are smart is making, and this is
very common. I mean, this is I would say that
her that cut we just played Buck, I would say
is the consensus view of most people who cover sports media.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
But just think about this as well. To those listening,
we have members of the LGBTQ I A plus who
listen to this show because they're astute and intelligent people
who want good commentary and news. Because there are a
bunch of lesbians in the WNBA. You have to accept
that a man does not have a biological advantage over
(17:49):
women in sports, you know, yeah, the gays in the
lesbians getting dragged into this in this way is always
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Speaker 5 (18:55):
Okay, welcome in to Clay in Buck and Clay is
currently designing the logo for his Nashville Balls transgender only
WNBA team.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And I got to tell you, the creative juices are
flowing big time and AI is being put to good
use as we sit here, Yes, sir, just saying. I
mean I see it visually, the balls in the net,
like you know, when you're warming up, getting loose for
the game, and you got a bunch of shots going
(19:27):
up at the net. Sometimes at some point in time
there are two balls in the net. For anyone who
has ever played basketball, it's kind of a perfect metaphor
for the Nashville Balls and two things Buck. In addition
to having fun with how absurd this is, you have
to ridicule, I think with humor in this way. And
(19:50):
I was just looking on my ten million dollar challenge,
which by the way, I would love to do. I
think it would be one of the most watched basketball
games of all time. We would raise a vast amount
for chair. I don't believe the WNBA players or the
teams will allow it because they would lose. And we
have a lot of calls by the way, eight hundred
and two two two eight a two. But inclusion, I
(20:11):
always think this is important. Inclusion when you are talking
about men who identify as women in women's sports, is
going to cost a girl a spot. And I give
credit to Brett Kavanaugh in his Supreme Court opinion which
we should mention three liberal justices disagreed with three women
were saying men should be able to play women's sports.
(20:33):
Brett Kavanaugh pointed that out exactly, which is sports or
zero sum? As all of you know, there's only so
many spots on a sports team. There's only so many
spots where you can start on a sports team. So
when you are allowing a boy to take a girl spot,
you are including boys at the exclusion of girls. That
(20:53):
is very significant. Second thing here, Buck, you and I
were talking about off air, and I do think this
is important too. The WNBA is not behaving as a
sports league would it is behaving as a far left
wing political organization would because this is not I mean,
if you're making a rational argument, you don't have a
(21:17):
coach showing up in a Protect trans Kids T shirt
to coach a basketball game. That's a political organization. You
were making the analogy buck that this is not really
like a for profit business would apply at all. It's basically,
as you were saying, like an NGO. I mean, they're
behaving as a political advocacy organization, not as an actual
(21:41):
for profit league. Yeah, it does act like Twitter a
bit before Elon bought it. If you recall when we
got to see the internals on this, there are all
these people at Twitter who had nothing to do with
the micro blogging website that is initially launched as they
(22:01):
were there to enforce left wing orthodoxy, and their positions
were things like trust in safety.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Or DEI or whatever it may be. They were little commissars,
and there are clearly a lot of commissars within the
w NBA, because the entire thing operates as an appendage
charity of the NBA, otherwise it would not exist. But
I just have to say for all for these women,
(22:29):
they're clearly there's a there's two pathways here. Some of
them are brainwashed. Caitlin Clark. Yeah, I think this is
the other I think some of them are honestly just scared.
I think they're scared for their careers. I think they're
scared for their safe, their physical safety. I'm just gonna
(22:49):
say this.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
This is what I feel for Sophie Cunningham buck is
She's brave. I'm afraid that one of these crazy trans
people is going to injure her hurt some of what
she said. Yeah, Charlie Kirk was.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Killed by a transmaniac, somebody who had gone all in
on the trans ideology, allegedly right the guys of facing
trial still but allegedly killed by a Trantifa lunatic. Now
in this context, I don't think it will. I mean,
God forbid, but nothing like that extreme will happen. We're
talking about sports, not national level political figure. But Caitlyn Clark,
(23:25):
I've seen the I mean I don't follow this stuff,
and Clay follows the sports stuff pretty closely. I just
see the clips of her being clearly like outside the
bounds of basketball, really assaulted, you know, assault and battery
on Kaitlyn Clark in a regular basis. So when she
says about you know, when she's asked about Sophie coming in,
(23:46):
this is cut forward. This is what she says. Play.
Speaker 9 (23:48):
I think for us, like you know, it's not related
discussion on me really have in our locker room. I
think it's for leagues and the governing bodies to work
with their athletes to find solutions. But our focus is
on basketball and that's what we talk about and how
we can get and obviously we didn't do that tonight,
so in to find an area to improve in.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That way, just any you know, reaction to the I
just answered for you, Clay, Can I just say, by
the way that that, to me is an answer that
she gets directly from the PR team, maybe even from
her you know, her her attorney, if you will. That's
an answer that can't get her in trouble. And she
just doesn't want to talk about this. She knows, she
knows the truth about biology and sports and all this stuff,
(24:26):
but she's scared. Now you can It's it's easy to
say when you're not out there with a bunch of
people who are trying to elbow you in the face,
that you would do you know, you would stand and
be brave maybe, but I would just say, I think
she's afraid for her safety for her career, and what
does that tell you about this issue?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Well, Sophie Cunningham is being booed in now. To be fair,
the first two games she's played on the road since
she said this were in Portland and Minneapolis, and I
don't think the average WNB in Portland or Minneapolis is
very representative of the average American or the average American
sports fan, to be fair, Having said that is cowardice
(25:10):
from Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
It is.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I understand her perspective, and the WNBA could do a
lot to protect its entire league if they had a
commissioner who just came out and said the WNBA has
women in the title, only biological women can play in
the WNBA period. Like that would take a lot of
the heat off, and individual players and coaches then don't
(25:36):
have to give their opinions. Let me just give you
a counterpoint here though, Yeah, okay, to try to be
consistent Michael Jordan, Republicans by sneakers too. You wrote a
book quoting Michael Jordan on this one essentially, and I
don't even remember the specific context, but we all understand
what the quote means, which is, I'm just trying to
be the best basketball player in the world to sell
(25:56):
as many tickets and shoes, et cetera. And we respect
that right and I both respect that under science respects that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Here she is Caitlin Clark. I think she just wants
to play basketball. Yes, Why you know, why is it
different for her to say I don't. Look, she's not
saying I believe in inclusivity and we should have dudes.
She's not saying that she's trying to just stay out
of it. She's trying to stay out of the politics
of it. Help me, help me square this one a
(26:24):
little bit. Is it just too important?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Is it can be cowardly and smart at the same time, right,
Like there are there are lots of times. Look, I
mean if some three hundred and twenty pounds ripped guy
uh is standing up and cursing at a sports event
and I'm like, hey, I'm here with my kid, and
I tap him on the shoulder and I'm like, hey,
you know, could you please kind of tone down the
(26:47):
language a little bit and sit down so we can
see better? And he says, no, Like it's cowardly of
me to not accelerate that, right, because he's disrespecting me
and my family. It's also kind of smart, right because
otherwise he's gonna potentially beat my ban I put.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
You this way. As as commentators sitting here in our
relative studios observing this thing, we do our job with
just speaking the truth about this and everything else. We
are not facing the instead of slings and arrows, the
elbows and palm strikes or you know, scratches to the
face that Caitlin Clark does. If we weren't in that position,
(27:25):
if if I was her agent, I would tell her
that if I was her agent, mind you, you and
I are were totally aligned, that I wish she would
become a hero for all girls, and she should do that. Okay,
But if I was her agent, I would tell her
this is exactly the answer you give. Don't get into it,
don't get involved.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I would also say what I said at the get go,
which is this is fundamental to the league itself, and
the WNBA commissioner should be speaking out to keep every
single player and coach from being asked about this. And
you can say, well, I just want sports to be
about sports. I would argue, who is able to play
(28:04):
the sport is the very definition of a sports question itself.
In other words, if you, as I have have coached
the little league kids, if someone who is older than
your league is playing, it's not you interjecting politics to
be like, hey, fourteen year olds shouldn't be able to
play twelve U. And by the way, it wouldn't be
(28:26):
interjecting politics to say heavyweight boxers shouldn't be able to
identify or UFC fighters as welterweights.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I mean, we've got weight classes for a reason, we
have age classes for a reason, we have sex classes
for a reason. I think you've elucid dated the answer
then to the question, which I do think is important
to have Republicans by sneakers too. That's a valid concept
that we would support for Hey, Michael Jordan, what do
you think about the latest Bill Clinton executive order?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I'm here to play basketball, Caitlin Clark, what do you
think about within your sport that a man could tomorrow
be the highest score or a higher score than you
and undermine the integrity of what you're doing. Now you're
within the realm of your sport, right, Sore, There is
I think a consistent.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Time you say Caitlin Clark, to your point, Buck exactly,
in the twenty twenty four election, declined to give an
answer as to who she supported, which I would say
is the Republicans by sneakers, two goal, right, It's very divisive.
If I have no problem with her not saying publicly
who she voted for, that's that's her prerogative. And you
know this is still America. So yeah, yep, that's right.
(29:36):
We got loaded lines. Let's take you want to go
to break and then we'll take all these calls. As
a lot of people are question hired up, fired up
about this.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I just know something else. You're noticing the game they
play too. They will we will die on this hill
if women can play in men's sports, why is it
such a big deal to your.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
They will say, you said it a opposite because it
is important women who identify as men. This isn't an
issue at all, which goes to the importance of biology. Right,
like Elliott Page is not playing in the NBA. Oh,
then I say women in men's sports. I'm in. My
point is what it is. They will die on this hill.
This is absolutely essential. This is the new civil rights struggle.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
You are bigoted you are anti human rights unless you
agree COMMA. When you don't agree, why are you making
such a big deal out of this? It's exactly right.
It's the most passive, aggressive nonsense. It's really like a
gaslighting for the argument. They do this all the time,
and it's just hide the basketball if you will. It's
we can never get to a conclusion here because they
(30:44):
won't actually address the core fundamental reality, which is that
they're crazy and what they're saying makes no sense. So
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Speaker 2 (32:06):
Or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in, Clay
and Buck. Let's get to some of your calls. Lots
of reactions pouring in. Also, SOFIA is monitoring your YouTube comments.
We got some very funny ones coming in there. You
can watch the whole show live on YouTube. Let's go
first to Jeff in Utah. We got a couple of
Jeff's first one Jeff in Utah.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Share your time. If these woke lefts are still bent
on allowing trans people to join the WNBA and they're
uneducated in biology, maybe they need to be reminded why
we have a WNBA. If they want to implement inclusivity,
(32:52):
maybe we need to do it the left lots to
do so much and abolish the WNBA and have them
try out the NBA.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, it is, and this is important by they. That's
a great point from the caller Clay. The reason the
sports thing becomes so central in the whole trans to
bit in discussion is that it makes real for people
to observe in an objective fashion the fundamental lie behind
the entire trans movement, which is that these are women.
(33:23):
They are not. That is it. That is why. So
it's it's about actually a lot more than sports, even
though sports is the central and front battleground.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Of it one hundred percent. Also would I would point
out there's a big difference between what used to be
the case, which is people would dress up as women
because it made them happier. But they didn't expect you,
like the whole drag queen thing is predicated on these
are men pretending to be women. They didn't require you
(33:53):
to say, oh, these are women, right and and to
your point, it definitely there's a difference to me between
it makes me happier as an adult to wear different
clothes or whatever you want to do. If that makes
you happier, and it's your choice, I don't have any
problem with it. But as soon as you expect me
to validate as a biological reality something that's not true,
(34:15):
this is why to me, Buck, this is the essence
of so much. You are requiring me to lie and
I'm not willing to do so about what you believe
about yourself. Let's see great call from Jeff and Utah.
Let's go to Jeff in North Carolina.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
Hi, guys, Let's say you that this does happen and
the trans players are allowed to come.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Into the WNBA.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
How long does it take for the OUTCI then to
go to, Hey, these trans athletes are taking jobs.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
That's what needs that.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Hey, you call Jeff to me and Buck and I
were talking about that off air, and this is what
I'm elucidating by saying, I mean it, I'll buy at
WNBA franchise.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
You have to make it a reality.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
If they want to argue men are not our women,
then to me, you have to take talented male athletes
put him in the WNBA.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I mean, I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
They would average fifty points and fifty rebounds a game.
It would defeat the entire purpose of the league itself. Yes,
it is absolutely the case. I remember even when Dave Chappelle,
who's who's been funny on this issue and almost brave
but then has gone back on a little bit so whatever.
But when he made he made a joke and one
of his stand ups about how if Lebron James played
(35:29):
in the WNBA, he would score one hundred points a game.
I believe it was Dave Chappelle, right, you know, remember
what I'm talking about. I think that's right. But I
mean I don't think he's wrong. I mean, I think
Lebron James.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Whether he says it or not, it's true, right, you know,
so whoever said it, I mean, maybe I'm confusing my quote,
but Lebron James would score one hundred points. Again, I mean,
it would just be absurd. You would not. It is
not possible for female basketball players to guard him. There
is not a female on the planet. You could triple
team him with women. He would run or through them
(36:00):
and he would score because of biology. Biology is real.
This is then again, they can get away with this
game with a lot.
Speaker 11 (36:09):
Of things like, oh, isn't this actor actors so beautiful? No,
it looks like a fourteen year old boy or something,
and it's actually a woman who's cut off her breast
and cut off her hair, and I mean, Ellen Page.
The whole thing is absurd. But with sports clay, it's
too obvious. That's the problem. We have Michelle Dafoya coming
up next. This will be great, perfect timing.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
She was at this game in Minneapolis at the protest.
She heard Sophie Cunningham being food all of the chaos
surrounding this. She is running for Senate in Minnesota. She
is a former Sideline reporter. Talk about Wheelhouse. This is
it for Michelle Tafoya. She will join us next talking
about all of this chaos on playing Buck
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Now we have Clay a bunch of big stories for
everybody's enjoyment. First of all, Mom Donnie's New York. We
(01:39):
have Mom Donnie talking about how you have to show
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you're going to go into one of the one of
the Bolshevik bodegas that Mam Donnie is opening up, you
are going to have to show ID. We'll discuss that.
A prominent left of center podcaster who is also on
Bill Mara Think this past week, he has expressed surprise
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people irrespective of their political affiliation. The commis come for everyone. Essentially,
we'll discuss that Clay. We had Trump at Air Force one,
some funny stuff from him, some policy stuff. Also, what
was it, Oh, Dana bash I never get her name right,
(02:25):
Dana Bash right doing her thing on CNN and getting
absolutely lit up by RFK Junior. You will enjoy that.
If you have not heard it, we will play that
for you in a little bit. But I come to
you today to discuss something that I would not have
assumed going into August of the summer, Clay would be
the biggest story in the country. Let's just set the
(02:46):
table for a second. Then you can tell everybody why
this has turned into such a freak out situation. A
member of the WNBA's is it the fever that she's on?
Is that right? Yes? Cunningham Trophie Cunningham, who is a
blonde haired white woman who is very good looking and
in the w NBA. She said she doesn't think dude
(03:09):
should I'm paraphrasing, but she doesn't think dude should play
in the.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
W n B. A.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Now, this has resulted in a in a collective left
wing freak out, a trans Live Matter movement trans Lives
matter movement, if you will, and all of these coaches
and all these professional athletes saying completely insane things. Clay,
shall we start with Golden State Valkyries head coach here?
(03:35):
This has cut three. Should men be able to play
in the w n b A, and this is what
it's said.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Playing for me, sports is about belonging. It's about inclusivity.
It's about allowing everyone to be their authentic self. You know,
I'm big on that, just because I have been criticized
for my height, for my ethnicity. I've been in those
you shouldn't belong here many times, and for me, I
(04:02):
don't want that space, especially Golden State, to ever feel
like that. So I'm all about women, little girls deserving
to play, and that includes trans women. So I'm all
about inclusivity.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Okay, I'm all about inclusivity. Buck, Men should be able
to play in women's sports. All of this coming out
of Sophie Cunningham's just standing up and saying women's sports
should be for women. Let me play a couple of
more cuts here, because this story exploded over the weekend
and left wingers are truly dying on the hill of
(04:35):
men pretending to be women are actually women, and many
of those are liberal white women like Indiana Fever coach
Stephanie White. I don't know if you heard this clip Buck,
She was asked if men should be able to play
in women's sports her thoughts about it by an OutKick reporter.
This is what she said. She said, She's not educated enough, Buck,
(04:57):
from a scientific standpoint. This is a real answer from
a grown adult women's coach.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Cut seven.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I don't know that I would say that I'm educated
enough from a scientific standpoint. I don't ever believe that
exclusion is an answer.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I do think, you know, when we think about various
levels of sport, on various governing bodies of sport and
things that go into that, Like I said, I'm not
educated enough at the different levels. I know growing up,
I played with the boys all the time.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
So you girl sports, would you welcome a biological mail
in WNBA.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Again, It's like, I don't know when we talk about
biological male and scientifically where we are. I think it's
a totally different scenario. You know, as I said, I'm
not educated enough in terms of transgender and transitioning to
give you to give you a smart answer. I would
say though, that I just don't feel like exclusion is
an answer, and I think that we need to have deeper,
(05:47):
more layered conversation.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Okay, Buck, This woman graduated from Purdue University, Go boiler Makers,
Phive Beta Kappa and was one of the academic All Americans.
From all intents and purposes, she is a very intelligent woman,
quite well educated. She's afraid of speaking out and saying
the truth. By the way, there's other elements of this too.
(06:10):
The women's basketball coach for the Minnesota Links coached against
Sophie Cunningham's Indiana Fever team. She wore a protect trans
Kids shirt on the sideline during the game. Buck, and
she said she spoke out about this as well. Here
she is cut one saying we need to protect trans kids.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
I don't think we should feel like our safe space
is being threaten. That's what I enjoy about the WNBA,
and I think we have to continue to safeguard that.
I come from a space of conclusion, and the narrative
that I think that is problematic is to suggest that
number one, that transgender athletes are the biggest problem in
(06:55):
women's sports. And now I think this is what's bother
saw is that there's a faction of people in our
country that are making this amassive issue. We have some issues.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Number one, we.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
Need to pertect trans kids, every kid. For me, it's
a human rights issue.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Okay, buck, these people are crazy, Okay, So this is
this is what's really important. I have two observations for
you on this clay, because you're you're you're touching on
zero point one there, but I'll take that second. First is,
notice how when these people who take this position speak,
they all do so like they are a cult member
(07:38):
or like they're honestly in some totalitarian communist country speaking
about the glories of the grain harvest and how this
year will be more than the last year and the
year after that will be more even though everyone is starving.
Like they they're clearly saying things that they do not believe,
and they're grasping for the jargon. See it sounds like jargon.
(08:02):
They're using this word inclusive, exclusive, inclusive, exclusive. They're just
leaning on these things to try to signal to people,
please don't attack us, like, please don't come after me.
I will do what the cult demands. I will do
what the trans lives matter.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Movement is demanding of me here, right, because no one
speaks the way that they speak normally. They're trying to
fall back into these can phrases and things like, well,
I'm not a biology expert. You don't need to be
a biology expert to know that a penis is not
a vagina, and a vagina is not a penis. You
can actually know that without being an expert. And so yes,
(08:41):
the team is pointing out these are manufactured delusions, which
is why the book is still doing so well. Thank you,
but Clay, the second part of this is this is
what you touched on. Yes, trans people who think that
they should play against women because they're really women. They
have a mental health issue. This is very obvious. The
DSM four, i think, treated it as such out of
the DSM five. Because psychiatrists are, unfortunate, the most left
(09:02):
wing of any medical profession, they've like changed this and
it's no longer generous for you. They're clearly there's something
they're having a problem, they need help, but there is
a mentally ill cohort around them of millions of people
who are left wing and brainwashed who will go along
with this. And that's what you actually see happening here.
(09:23):
It's not just the delusion of the individual who is
trans It is the people around them who will fight
on their behalf for this.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Okay, Buck, I've got two aggressive moves that I am
undertaking here, and I'm one hundred percent serious about this,
and I'm going to share both of them with you.
First of all, I will buy a WNBA expansion franchise.
As the primary owner of that franchise, I will bring
(09:53):
them to my hometown where I do this show from Nashville, Tennessee.
We will call them Well, I'll get to that in
a second. I will pledge that one hundred percent of
my team will be trans. That will be men pretending
to be women. Our entire coaching staff will be trans
that is men pretending to be women. We will not
(10:15):
lose a single game. There are probably some games, Buck,
where we will not even give up a single point.
I will call this team the Nashville Balls, and I
will become a dynastic sports owner. In addition to continuing
to do this show with you and all my other
shows and all my other companies, I will own a
(10:36):
WNBA franchise. I will buy it, and I will play
only men who identify as women, wear wigs or run around,
do whatever we need to do to be officially classified
as identifying as women. This is what they're now saying
is permitted. I will do it. I will buy a team.
I'll put my money where my mouth is. Secondly, before Buck,
(10:57):
you remember I offered a million dollars if the WNBA
champ which is right now, the Las Vegas Aces. I
believe if they would play a boys' high school state
championship team of my choosing, I would give a million
dollars to the winning team. Buck, I will now give
ten million dollars to the winning team. We will put
(11:20):
this on pay per view. We will send all the profits,
of which there will be probably tens of millions to
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(11:42):
it out. I don't even know how much space. Ten
million dollars, will dump, truck it out, put it in
the arena. A boys' high school team will get ten
million dollars if they win the WNBA. They say that
they're underpaid, they say that they're as good as men.
Let's decide it once and for all. And I think
you have to be hyperbolic to respond to the absurdity here,
(12:04):
because if you are not, then they will just continue
to chirp, they'll continue to talk. So I think you
have to put money behind your words. I am taking
them at their words, and I will put ten million
dollars boys high school team state champ of my choice
versus WNBA, and or I will also purchase a WNBA
(12:26):
franchise and only play men who identify as women, and
that is the trans community in the WNBA. I doubt
that the WNBA will respond to this, but this is
real money on the table in a significant way, and
I think what it does is it forces them to
justify in some way their positions. It also draws even
(12:46):
more attention. I think this is important, by the way,
because we've said this before. Trump won the twenty twenty
four election largely on the issue of men and women's sports,
and some people say, well, it's not that serious. In
the grand scheme of things, you will hear a lot
of people tell you defend the idea of men and
women's sports, while simultaneously saying I don't know why you care.
Why do you care so much? It's because of this.
(13:09):
If you will lie to me about this, then I
can't trust you on anything else. It is a gate
keeping to me, a test of your basic honesty. If
you are arguing to me that men are the equivalent
of women, or that men belong in women's sports than
every other political position that you have, I cannot trust
(13:29):
you because you are willing to lie to me about
something that is as basic as biology. So my double
challenges are out there. They are now public. I have
tweeted them. We can clip it, we can share it
on YouTube, and we will see buck whether anybody is
willing to actually stand behind the arguments that they are
making when there are actually dollars at stake here, and we'll.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
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Speaker 1 (15:25):
Common sense never sounded so good. Clay and Buck owning
the airwaves.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Welcome back in play and Buck. We are rolling through
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Speaker 1 (16:06):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Media is rallying to defend and attack anyone who says
men don't belong in the WNBA, and in fact, here
is Katie Nolan, formerly of Fox Sports, formerly of ESPN.
When you've got a lot of former laes, it's probably
a sign that you haven't been incredibly successful in your
career saying you don't have critical thinking skills if you
(16:28):
are speaking out on this cut five.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
Sophie Cunningham throwing her hat in the ring of political
grift and then turn her around and saying, but you'd
be surprised about my beliefs. A lot of people like
to think I'm right wing and I'm not. I believe
all different things, but this to me just seems like
common sense. All you're telling us, Sophie, is that you
don't really have critical thinking skills or that you aren't
interested in employing them. You're taking the message that's being
(16:53):
given to you by people that are highly invested in
this dividing us, and you're helping them sell it by
not questioning it at all, which is extra crazy given
the fact you're surrounded by people you could talk to
about this issue to better understand it. Because the W
has a lot of members of the LGBTQ community.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
This is an example of a dumb argument that someone
who thinks they are smart is making, and this is
very common. I mean, this is I would say that
her that cut we just played Buck, I would say
is the consensus view of most people who cover sports media.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
But just think about this as well. To those listening,
we have members of the LGBTQ I A plus who
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who want good commentary and news. Because there are a
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Speaker 5 (18:55):
Okay, welcome in to Clay in Buck and Clay is
currently designing the logo for his Nashville Balls transgender only
WNBA team.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And I got to tell you, the creative juices are
flowing big time and AI is being put to good
use as we sit here, Yes, sir, just saying. I
mean I see it visually, the balls in the net,
like you know, when you're warming up, getting loose for
the game, and you got a bunch of shots going
(19:27):
up at the net. Sometimes at some point in time
there are two balls in the net. For anyone who
has ever played basketball, it's kind of a perfect metaphor
for the Nashville Balls and two things Buck. In addition
to having fun with how absurd this is, you have
to ridicule, I think with humor in this way. And
(19:50):
I was just looking on my ten million dollar challenge,
which by the way, I would love to do. I
think it would be one of the most watched basketball
games of all time. We would raise a vast amount
for chair. I don't believe the WNBA players or the
teams will allow it because they would lose. And we
have a lot of calls by the way, eight hundred
and two two two eight a two. But inclusion, I
(20:11):
always think this is important. Inclusion when you are talking
about men who identify as women in women's sports, is
going to cost a girl a spot. And I give
credit to Brett Kavanaugh in his Supreme Court opinion which
we should mention three liberal justices disagreed with three women
were saying men should be able to play women's sports.
(20:33):
Brett Kavanaugh pointed that out exactly, which is sports or
zero sum? As all of you know, there's only so
many spots on a sports team. There's only so many
spots where you can start on a sports team. So
when you are allowing a boy to take a girl spot,
you are including boys at the exclusion of girls. That
(20:53):
is very significant. Second thing here, Buck, you and I
were talking about off air, and I do think this
is important too. The WNBA is not behaving as a
sports league would it is behaving as a far left
wing political organization would because this is not I mean,
if you're making a rational argument, you don't have a
(21:17):
coach showing up in a Protect trans Kids T shirt
to coach a basketball game. That's a political organization. You
were making the analogy buck that this is not really
like a for profit business would apply at all. It's basically,
as you were saying, like an NGO. I mean, they're
behaving as a political advocacy organization, not as an actual
(21:41):
for profit league. Yeah, it does act like Twitter a
bit before Elon bought it. If you recall when we
got to see the internals on this, there are all
these people at Twitter who had nothing to do with
the micro blogging website that is initially launched as they
(22:01):
were there to enforce left wing orthodoxy, and their positions
were things like trust in safety.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Or DEI or whatever it may be. They were little commissars,
and there are clearly a lot of commissars within the
w NBA, because the entire thing operates as an appendage
charity of the NBA, otherwise it would not exist. But
I just have to say for all for these women,
(22:29):
they're clearly there's a there's two pathways here. Some of
them are brainwashed. Caitlin Clark. Yeah, I think this is
the other I think some of them are honestly just scared.
I think they're scared for their careers. I think they're
scared for their safe, their physical safety. I'm just gonna
(22:49):
say this.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
This is what I feel for Sophie Cunningham buck is
She's brave. I'm afraid that one of these crazy trans
people is going to injure her hurt some of what
she said. Yeah, Charlie Kirk was.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Killed by a transmaniac, somebody who had gone all in
on the trans ideology, allegedly right the guys of facing
trial still but allegedly killed by a Trantifa lunatic. Now
in this context, I don't think it will. I mean,
God forbid, but nothing like that extreme will happen. We're
talking about sports, not national level political figure. But Caitlyn Clark,
(23:25):
I've seen the I mean I don't follow this stuff,
and Clay follows the sports stuff pretty closely. I just
see the clips of her being clearly like outside the
bounds of basketball, really assaulted, you know, assault and battery
on Kaitlyn Clark in a regular basis. So when she
says about you know, when she's asked about Sophie coming in,
(23:46):
this is cut forward. This is what she says. Play.
Speaker 9 (23:48):
I think for us, like you know, it's not related
discussion on me really have in our locker room. I
think it's for leagues and the governing bodies to work
with their athletes to find solutions. But our focus is
on basketball and that's what we talk about and how
we can get and obviously we didn't do that tonight,
so in to find an area to improve in.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That way, just any you know, reaction to the I
just answered for you, Clay, Can I just say, by
the way that that, to me is an answer that
she gets directly from the PR team, maybe even from
her you know, her her attorney, if you will. That's
an answer that can't get her in trouble. And she
just doesn't want to talk about this. She knows, she
knows the truth about biology and sports and all this stuff,
(24:26):
but she's scared. Now you can It's it's easy to
say when you're not out there with a bunch of
people who are trying to elbow you in the face,
that you would do you know, you would stand and
be brave maybe, but I would just say, I think
she's afraid for her safety for her career, and what
does that tell you about this issue?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Well, Sophie Cunningham is being booed in now. To be fair,
the first two games she's played on the road since
she said this were in Portland and Minneapolis, and I
don't think the average WNB in Portland or Minneapolis is
very representative of the average American or the average American
sports fan, to be fair, Having said that is cowardice
(25:10):
from Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
It is.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I understand her perspective, and the WNBA could do a
lot to protect its entire league if they had a
commissioner who just came out and said the WNBA has
women in the title, only biological women can play in
the WNBA period. Like that would take a lot of
the heat off, and individual players and coaches then don't
(25:36):
have to give their opinions. Let me just give you
a counterpoint here though, Yeah, okay, to try to be
consistent Michael Jordan, Republicans by sneakers too. You wrote a
book quoting Michael Jordan on this one essentially, and I
don't even remember the specific context, but we all understand
what the quote means, which is, I'm just trying to
be the best basketball player in the world to sell
(25:56):
as many tickets and shoes, et cetera. And we respect
that right and I both respect that under science respects that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Here she is Caitlin Clark. I think she just wants
to play basketball. Yes, Why you know, why is it
different for her to say I don't. Look, she's not
saying I believe in inclusivity and we should have dudes.
She's not saying that she's trying to just stay out
of it. She's trying to stay out of the politics
of it. Help me, help me square this one a
(26:24):
little bit. Is it just too important?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Is it can be cowardly and smart at the same time, right,
Like there are there are lots of times. Look, I
mean if some three hundred and twenty pounds ripped guy
uh is standing up and cursing at a sports event
and I'm like, hey, I'm here with my kid, and
I tap him on the shoulder and I'm like, hey,
you know, could you please kind of tone down the
(26:47):
language a little bit and sit down so we can
see better? And he says, no, Like it's cowardly of
me to not accelerate that, right, because he's disrespecting me
and my family. It's also kind of smart, right because
otherwise he's gonna potentially beat my ban I put.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
You this way. As as commentators sitting here in our
relative studios observing this thing, we do our job with
just speaking the truth about this and everything else. We
are not facing the instead of slings and arrows, the
elbows and palm strikes or you know, scratches to the
face that Caitlin Clark does. If we weren't in that position,
(27:25):
if if I was her agent, I would tell her
that if I was her agent, mind you, you and
I are were totally aligned, that I wish she would
become a hero for all girls, and she should do that. Okay,
But if I was her agent, I would tell her
this is exactly the answer you give. Don't get into it,
don't get involved.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I would also say what I said at the get go,
which is this is fundamental to the league itself, and
the WNBA commissioner should be speaking out to keep every
single player and coach from being asked about this. And
you can say, well, I just want sports to be
about sports. I would argue, who is able to play
(28:04):
the sport is the very definition of a sports question itself.
In other words, if you, as I have have coached
the little league kids, if someone who is older than
your league is playing, it's not you interjecting politics to
be like, hey, fourteen year olds shouldn't be able to
play twelve U. And by the way, it wouldn't be
(28:26):
interjecting politics to say heavyweight boxers shouldn't be able to
identify or UFC fighters as welterweights.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I mean, we've got weight classes for a reason, we
have age classes for a reason, we have sex classes
for a reason. I think you've elucid dated the answer
then to the question, which I do think is important
to have Republicans by sneakers too. That's a valid concept
that we would support for Hey, Michael Jordan, what do
you think about the latest Bill Clinton executive order?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I'm here to play basketball, Caitlin Clark, what do you
think about within your sport that a man could tomorrow
be the highest score or a higher score than you
and undermine the integrity of what you're doing. Now you're
within the realm of your sport, right, Sore, There is
I think a consistent.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Time you say Caitlin Clark, to your point, Buck exactly,
in the twenty twenty four election, declined to give an
answer as to who she supported, which I would say
is the Republicans by sneakers, two goal, right, It's very divisive.
If I have no problem with her not saying publicly
who she voted for, that's that's her prerogative. And you
know this is still America. So yeah, yep, that's right.
(29:36):
We got loaded lines. Let's take you want to go
to break and then we'll take all these calls. As
a lot of people are question hired up, fired up
about this.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I just know something else. You're noticing the game they
play too. They will we will die on this hill
if women can play in men's sports, why is it
such a big deal to your.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
They will say, you said it a opposite because it
is important women who identify as men. This isn't an
issue at all, which goes to the importance of biology. Right,
like Elliott Page is not playing in the NBA. Oh,
then I say women in men's sports. I'm in. My
point is what it is. They will die on this hill.
This is absolutely essential. This is the new civil rights struggle.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
You are bigoted you are anti human rights unless you
agree COMMA. When you don't agree, why are you making
such a big deal out of this? It's exactly right.
It's the most passive, aggressive nonsense. It's really like a
gaslighting for the argument. They do this all the time,
and it's just hide the basketball if you will. It's
we can never get to a conclusion here because they
(30:44):
won't actually address the core fundamental reality, which is that
they're crazy and what they're saying makes no sense. So
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Or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in, Clay
and Buck. Let's get to some of your calls. Lots
of reactions pouring in. Also, SOFIA is monitoring your YouTube comments.
We got some very funny ones coming in there. You
can watch the whole show live on YouTube. Let's go
first to Jeff in Utah. We got a couple of
Jeff's first one Jeff in Utah.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Share your time. If these woke lefts are still bent
on allowing trans people to join the WNBA and they're
uneducated in biology, maybe they need to be reminded why
we have a WNBA. If they want to implement inclusivity,
(32:52):
maybe we need to do it the left lots to
do so much and abolish the WNBA and have them
try out the NBA.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, it is, and this is important by they. That's
a great point from the caller Clay. The reason the
sports thing becomes so central in the whole trans to
bit in discussion is that it makes real for people
to observe in an objective fashion the fundamental lie behind
the entire trans movement, which is that these are women.
(33:23):
They are not. That is it. That is why. So
it's it's about actually a lot more than sports, even
though sports is the central and front battleground.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Of it one hundred percent. Also would I would point
out there's a big difference between what used to be
the case, which is people would dress up as women
because it made them happier. But they didn't expect you,
like the whole drag queen thing is predicated on these
are men pretending to be women. They didn't require you
(33:53):
to say, oh, these are women, right and and to
your point, it definitely there's a difference to me between
it makes me happier as an adult to wear different
clothes or whatever you want to do. If that makes
you happier, and it's your choice, I don't have any
problem with it. But as soon as you expect me
to validate as a biological reality something that's not true,
(34:15):
this is why to me, Buck, this is the essence
of so much. You are requiring me to lie and
I'm not willing to do so about what you believe
about yourself. Let's see great call from Jeff and Utah.
Let's go to Jeff in North Carolina.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
Hi, guys, Let's say you that this does happen and
the trans players are allowed to come.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Into the WNBA.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
How long does it take for the OUTCI then to
go to, Hey, these trans athletes are taking jobs.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
That's what needs that.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Hey, you call Jeff to me and Buck and I
were talking about that off air, and this is what
I'm elucidating by saying, I mean it, I'll buy at
WNBA franchise.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
You have to make it a reality.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
If they want to argue men are not our women,
then to me, you have to take talented male athletes
put him in the WNBA.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I mean, I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
They would average fifty points and fifty rebounds a game.
It would defeat the entire purpose of the league itself. Yes,
it is absolutely the case. I remember even when Dave Chappelle,
who's who's been funny on this issue and almost brave
but then has gone back on a little bit so whatever.
But when he made he made a joke and one
of his stand ups about how if Lebron James played
(35:29):
in the WNBA, he would score one hundred points a game.
I believe it was Dave Chappelle, right, you know, remember
what I'm talking about. I think that's right. But I
mean I don't think he's wrong. I mean, I think
Lebron James.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Whether he says it or not, it's true, right, you know,
so whoever said it, I mean, maybe I'm confusing my quote,
but Lebron James would score one hundred points. Again, I mean,
it would just be absurd. You would not. It is
not possible for female basketball players to guard him. There
is not a female on the planet. You could triple
team him with women. He would run or through them
(36:00):
and he would score because of biology. Biology is real.
This is then again, they can get away with this
game with a lot.
Speaker 11 (36:09):
Of things like, oh, isn't this actor actors so beautiful? No,
it looks like a fourteen year old boy or something,
and it's actually a woman who's cut off her breast
and cut off her hair, and I mean, Ellen Page.
The whole thing is absurd. But with sports clay, it's
too obvious. That's the problem. We have Michelle Dafoya coming
up next. This will be great, perfect timing.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
She was at this game in Minneapolis at the protest.
She heard Sophie Cunningham being food all of the chaos
surrounding this. She is running for Senate in Minnesota. She
is a former Sideline reporter. Talk about Wheelhouse. This is
it for Michelle Tafoya. She will join us next talking
about all of this chaos on playing Buck
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