August 14, 2026 • 37 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show focuses on a mix of breaking news, legal analysis, political violence, and cultural controversies. The hour begins with discussion of Luigi Mangione's guilty plea to federal stalking charges connected to the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Clay and Buck examine the legal ramifications of the plea, the prospects for sentencing, and the interaction between federal and state prosecutions, including discussion of whether the death penalty could become a factor in New York-related proceedings. The hosts expand the conversation into a broader examination of political violence in America, arguing that ideological extremism has become increasingly visible in national politics. They reference past attacks and assassination attempts involving public figures, including Steve Scalise, Rand Paul, and President Donald Trump, while also discussing the role of online personalities, political influencers, and digital media ecosystems in shaping public attitudes toward political conflict and radicalization. A substantial portion of the hour is devoted to the American criminal justice system and how it handles notorious crimes. Clay and Buck analyze insanity defenses, presidential pardon powers, commutations, mandatory sentencing, and historical examples involving figures such as John Hinckley Jr. and General Daniel Sickles. They debate whether existing legal mechanisms fairly balance justice, public safety, and political considerations, particularly in cases involving politically motivated violence. The program also turns to cultural and sports-related issues, including the ongoing debate about transgender athletes competing in women’s sports, with specific attention paid to the WNBA. The hosts discuss reactions from conservative commentators and athletes such as Enes Freedom and Royce White, while criticizing aspects of media coverage surrounding the controversy. Additional political discussion touches on progressive figures including Abdul El-Sayed and Zohran Mamdani, with the hosts assessing challenges facing modern progressive activism and the broader Democratic political movement. Listener calls contribute to the conversation, particularly on questions involving federal versus state prosecutions, presidential pardon authority, and the wider societal implications of high-profile criminal cases. The first hour concludes with previews of upcoming guests and future discussions, reinforcing the show's focus on breaking news, legal and political analysis, cultural issues, and the major stories shaping the national conversation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast Friday. Everybody, and it is Clay and
Buck time. Thank you so much for being here with us.
Excited to talk to you about all the things that
are going on, all of the many, many things we have.
Right off the bat, a breaking news story, I believe
it has pretty much just happened. Luigi Mangioni has pleaded
(00:27):
guilty to federal stocking charges connected to the killing of
United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. So he has pleaded guilty
to assassinating the healthcare s. That's what is going on here,
and their sentencing is set for December eighteenth. This is
(00:48):
coming at an interesting time, I think, Clay, because we've
been discussing the rise of the crazy left among the
Democrat Party. We've been discussing that, and Mangioni is an
outgrowth of that. He is somebody who decided to do
something completely immoral, despicable and demonic, which I might also
(01:11):
add has done absolutely nothing to change anything about the
healthcare system at all. He just murdered some guy who
was a father, who was a husband, who was walking
down the street in New York City, in cold Blood,
and there were people. There are a couple of things.
One is that Mangioni Clay is an outgrowth of that
(01:32):
leftist culture, the same leftist culture that indoctrinated the Charlie
Kirk assassin, the same leftist culture that indoctrinated the attempted
assassin of Steve Scalise, Rand Paul and a whole bunch
of other members of Congress in twenty eighteen in Alexandria, Virginia.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
We can just go down the list.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
The same guy who or the same ideology that pushed
the assassination attempts on Donald Trump, two of them, one
obviously the bullet that went through his ear. The miracle
that our president is still with us to this day.
So there's all that, right, There's we see these assassins
and the ideas around them that get so much support
(02:12):
from media aligned with the Democrat Party, from Democrat politicians.
They differ on the means, it seems. Although now you
have this guy, Hassan Piker, who has become so famous
so quickly on the left, who just says the most
disgusting and outlandish things from the from the perspective of
(02:33):
a leftist and is celebrated in the media, gets glowing profiles.
Everyan's was talking about how manly he is. What you know,
where did he serve like manly?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Why? But put that aside, there is a.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Real problem with not just the ideas around this play,
but also the people who became.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Mangione fans and stands, meaning people that were.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Not just there's the usual like really sad mentally ill
women who like murderers.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
This is a thing that exists. That's why these guys
who are on death.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Row have all these women that want to marry them,
you know, not millions, but obviously dozens. There's that, And
how handsome Manngioni is. It's okay, I mean, let's calm
down about this. But Clay, beyond that, the people that
support him and what he did, and they are all Democrats,
they are all people of the left, and there's a
lot more of them, and we would like to think
(03:32):
in this country. Unfortunately, that's what this raises for me
to top of mind. Yeah, a couple of things that
stand out to me about him pleading guilty here and
every network is carrying the press conference outside right now
as we speak. A couple of things that are significant.
These are federal crimes. He has pled guilty to a
(03:55):
federal stalking charge ending in death, which is potentially subject
to life imprisonment. The judge will decide. He said he
understands that he's pleading guilty to that. They're trying to
avoid Buck a New York state trial that is I
believe scheduled to start on September eighth and team in
(04:16):
New York. You guys correct me if I get any
of these facts wrong, because this is the real time
breaking news element associated with this, and he could face
the death penalty in that state trial. And so Buck,
I think they're trying to set up a legal process
by which, if they are pleading guilty here to these
(04:38):
federal charges, they're going to argue there's a double jeopardy
component entailed in potentially the state trial being allowed to proceed.
My guess is that they will file an appeal having
pled guilty here, and they will then see if the
courts will step in and stop the New York state
(04:59):
trial from taking place.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Again.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
For people out there, there's the federal trial which he's
pleading guilty to right now, federal charges relating to stalking
that lead in death. And then he's trying to avoid
this New York State trial. He could face buck in
the New York State trial, the death penalty. So to
your point on the coward front, as it pertains to this,
(05:22):
really what he's doing is running from any sort of
culpability in a significant way, in an effort ultimately, as
the coward he is to preserve his life. Now, if
you want me to say something positive about this, this
doesn't give him an opportunity to grandstand and turn this
(05:44):
trial into a showcase for his deluded worldview. Remember, there
are people that have been showing up outside of this
courtroom dressed up like Luigi from the Mario and Luigi
Super Mario Brothers franchise. He's got legitimate, as you laid out,
people who are sending him letters, that are obsessed with him,
(06:08):
all of these different things. All of that is continuing
to play out here and again this press conference taking
place right now that prosecutors are laying out why they
have agreed to accept this plea deal, and I suspect
it's because this guy is no longer a hero. He's
(06:28):
admitting his culpability. He's in prison for the rest of
his life, and remember Buck, we have to be concerned, unfortunately,
that there might be somebody who would sit on this
trial and think Luigi Mangioni as a hero and refuse
to hold him criminally liable. I bet on some level
(06:48):
that's why the prosecutors in this case have made the
determination to agree to it, because they're a little bit
afraid that they might get somebody on the jury who,
even though this guy is on vidio, killing in cold blood,
even though that could happen, that they're concerned and they
have made that decision to yeah, they could have a
(07:10):
hung jury. All it takes is one and that you
might and then you can retry the person. But that's
obviously a mess, and that would add to all of this.
And Clay, I just I think that it's very clear
to anybody who pays attention to the goings on in
this country that there is a real problem with a
political madness on the left that has resulted in some
(07:32):
high profile assassinations like this one, among others. They did
try to kill President Donald Trump as well, And someone says,
whose day. People that believe this leftist crazy stuff, People
that think that, you know, Donald Trump is hitler and
the worst person in the history of the world to
be president and it's going to put us, you know,
all in camps or start World War three or whatever
it is. They believe this stuff, and it's not just
(07:54):
all over the Internet. It's all over Increasingly, I think
the online media landscape, which I will is increasingly becoming
the dominant media landscape for politics. That shift is happening
more and more for younger people, in particular, as they
get older. They're getting their news not from cable news.
They're not watching the evening news shows on ABC, CBS
(08:17):
and NBC. They have online influencers, and in some cases
they're people who have basically become famous playing video games
while other people chat around them and then saying really
horrible things like America deserve nine to eleven, and then
they're celebrated by the New York Times with glowing profiles
about how brilliant they are. I mean, this is not
(08:38):
something that I think we can just allow to continue
to happen without pointing out how not just insane this is,
but also how destabilizing it is. These leftists who run
around saying things like, Okay, I disagree with the assassination
(08:59):
of the United Health CEO.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
But I can understand where he's coming from on that.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah, first of all, that means you know nothing about
what the real problem, the real problems with healthcare in
this country. And second of all, they're the red lines
that we would think we have as a society about
these things. Like I said, oh, the night of the
Charlie Kirk assassination the only time I have ever been
on Blue Sky and it was the grossest thing I've
(09:26):
seen online. Maybe Ever, how many people were celebrating that
Charlie Kirk was murdered by some left.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Wing trans trans pushing assassin.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
That that is just where we are in this country now.
And the Democrats don't call it out. They don't have
a problem with it. They view them as their vanguard,
as their street you know, street thugs, their foot soldiers,
and Mangioni is just one of many, unfortunately, that are
out there.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
So we have to remain vigilant. I mean, we just
have to be willing to fight for our society.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I think this may also buck be a li little
bit of a preview to what ends up happening with
the Tyler Robinson case. It would not stun me if
there is an agreement by Tyler Robinson, given the voluminous
amount of evidence against him, to plead guilty as well
before that case goes to trial to try to avoid
the death penalty. And we both know what will happen
(10:19):
there if he does do that, Clay people be.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Like they made him do it.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
This is the actual the you know, the Egyptians, with
the Saudis and Israel and the Queen of England, they
made him do it. I'm actually surprised, candidly, based on
everything that Luigi Mangioni has done publicly, that he agreed
to plead guilty because I thought he would want the
(10:44):
forum of the public trial. I think ultimately it just
shows what a coward he is buck that I believe
he is afraid of the death penalty and trying to
keep the state from prosecuting him as well well as
you know also that you don't as a defendant, you
don't get like, you don't get to just have open
mic night up there in the courtroom and be like,
let me tell you all what I think about the
(11:06):
world in America.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
You're going to be cross examined.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I mean, but he could he could have decided to testify,
which would have created its own media circus. He seems
like a person obsessed with celebrity culture, driven in some
ways by a desire to be famous for his political persuasions,
and this basically is going to take him out of
(11:29):
any major discussion point. Again, they're going to try to
fight whether he can be tried under New York state law,
but that I believe is the legal calculus that they
that they have determined.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Here.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Again, this is breaking right now as we are beginning
the show, and the prosecutors who accepted this plea deal
have just finished their press conference, and so we will
see if there are any clips that are particularly newsworthy
to be able to play for you guys. I do
think that the dual sovereignty issue causes I mean, for
(12:02):
this and other cases, just causes problems. This overlap of
you can be tried by two different things for the
same thing. I know it's different jurisdictions, but it's the
same thing. And you really, it really isn't a lot
of times. I'm just my view. It isn't end run
on Double Jeopardy.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It just is.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, I mean, and people who are saying, well, why
do you think about this or why do you care,
I hope MANGIONI yeah, trust me. I would give him
the most extreme punishment under the law allowable.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
We all know what that is.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
But in the case of say a police officer who
defends himself under a Democrat presidency in a state that
will not bring charges against him for acting within you know,
his rules and regulations, he may get hit with federal
civil rights charges for the same thing. Right, So they
do this, they run this, they run this game, and
that's I think that's something that it's not an easy
(12:51):
way to not an easy thing to disentangle. We've also
got more on this speaking of leftists, Duel al Sayed
and where he stands on this one, and Clay the
WN trans athlete story continues on.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
They cannot will.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Got in as they are hoisted on their own petard,
as one might say, I really think my view, and
you can tell me if you agree with this, either
now or after the break, if you want to just
hold people through. My view is that they are they
held a meeting so that they could say they held
a meeting, and they're just gonna hope this goes away.
They're just hoping it goes away. I don't think it's
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going to go away. I think that would cut through
to such an extent. We'll talk about it when we
come back. Yeah, but this is I mean, I think
that's their only plan is praying that it goes away.
I don't think they have another plan. I don't know
what else to say. So we'll see at a time
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Speaker 2 (15:46):
Do we have the clip of him?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, we've got a We've got a Royce clip. I
think so, don't we? Yeah, yeah, roy No, well he
calls himself Royesha. Now yes, well it's very brave. This
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what you're saying.
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It's a real thing. They got to deal with it.
What's the real thing?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Could this culminate when you and you actually planning in
the WNB it better?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Why wouldn't they let me play?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
It's completely completely bigoted to deny my trans existence.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Can I just say I've been this is This is
a little bit of a dream come true for those
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long time. This is the only way that you can
really finally stop this badness. You need Royce White to
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way this can actually happen. How perfect is his voice,
I mean that deep voice when it's saying that his
femininity as being denied. I mean, it's it's like South Park,
which made the perfect decision. I don't know when they
(17:03):
started that years ago. Do you know, can you get
him on the show? We should have raced on the show. Yeah,
we'll definitely get him on. It's like when Macho Man
being selected as the man who wins all the women's sporting.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I'm not here to talk about my transition.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's one of the great South Park things parties visionaries,
they really are, but that was played for laughs. Now
it regularly is occurring when you see stands of winners
and it's just some clear dude with a beard who's like,
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think that the way this is all playing out is
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Speaker 2 (19:08):
Here.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
One is this fleeting guilty from Mangione to the federal
charge of stalking resulting in murder. And you also have
the US Attorney of the Southern District of New York
who came out and said this after the police this
is cut twenty three play it.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
The defendant committed this murder in an attempt to draw
public attention to his dislike of certain businesses. But we
live in a civilized society governed by the rule of law.
We debate, we disagree, we protest, We do not commit murder.
No grievance, political belief, or ideological cause can ever justify murder.
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There can be no celebrity in assassination. Any person who celebrates, encourage,
or excuses actions like these is fundamentally wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Totally agree with all that, Clay.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Unfortunately, a lot of people who vote for Democrat politicians
across the country do not believe it.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I can't give you a number.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
But I can point to the people standing outside the trial,
the people online that are on support of this, the
people who spend time after the assassination talking about how
handsome he was and how he's like a sex symbol.
Remember this is not this is not a one off, everybody.
They did this also with Sarnaiev, the Boston Marathon bomber,
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and put him on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine. Okay,
like we're rock and roll stars.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Go.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
They like to do this as long as the aligns
with their politics. Of course, they think that this is
a fantastic way to celebrate one of the most demonic
and evil things in our society. So the US attorney
here is correct, that's not Do we still have Joe
and Cincinnati on the line, guys, because he does have
a good question and we want to do address. Is
he still with us? Joe and Cincinnati. I wanted to
(21:00):
get your question because it ties into this. Then we'll
talk more. WNBA, it's a Friday, will lighten up a it?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Go ahead, Joe and Fellows, how are you today?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Great? Good?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Good? Hey? My question was and is uh if if
this plea deal goes through for Mangoni on the federal
level and they decide not to proceed with the state
court proceedings, this is a horrible thought. But I need
to ask you, especially with Clay's legal background, does this
(21:32):
would that open the door if there are no state
proceedings that if Heaven forbid, we have a left wing
loon in the White House come twenty twenty eight. Could
Mangioni then be pardoned because of the federal rat Yes.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
The answer, I mean, I don't even need a lot
of good telling. The answer is yes. Clay said, yes,
So we got the lawyer and the non lawyer telling
you the same thing. But Clay, so good call Joe,
and that is just that should be. Everyone should know
this that you could fear ready Now, I don't think
realistically a future Democrat president would pardon man. I mean
that would be I look, you never know, but I
(22:08):
don't think so. But a commutation Clay in twenty years
sounds crazy to some people now, But if he gets
a life sentence, didn't they didn't the Democrats commute the
sentence of like a Puerto Rican liberation terrorist?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Am I am? I didn't Hillary pardon some of them
or something? Or do you guys remember talking about a favor?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I don't remember that one, but I think they didn't
they commute the sentence of the John Hinckley, the individual
who shot Ronald Reagan, because they said that he was
insane basically, and that he had been in some way
after forty some odd years of incarceration, that he had
been cured enough of his mental illness that he was
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allowed to have some freedoms. I know Reagan didn't die,
so it wasn't a murder charge. But I think most
people would expect that if you shoot the president, you're
going to be in prison for the rest of your life.
And I do think Buck the caller is asking a
good question. I think what the roll of the dice
here is MANGIONI is relatively young, right, what is he
(23:16):
twenty six? I think at the time of the shooting,
if I remember correctly, they are rolling the dice, that
he's not going to get a life sentence, and given
somewhat lenient standards on parole that exist in New York State,
that maybe in twenty or thirty years he could be
let back out onto the streets. So I was actually
(23:37):
it was. Hillary Clinton distanced herself from Bill Clinton's commutation
of the sentences. In nineteen ninety nine, of sixteen members
of the Florisas Armades de Liberacion Nacional, which is the
Puerto Rican nationalist separatist group. Also, by the way, I
mean talking of a bunch of what you guys really
(23:58):
want to be out on your own. I think something
like thirty percent of Puerto Rico is on like serious
federal government assistants. Shall we say, you want to just
break away and do your own thing? Good luck with
that yet, And of course they have US citizenship, they
have US passports. But Clay, yeah, they did it. He
did commute sixteen people who were involved. Now they were
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involved in seditious conspiracy, weapons explosives offenses. They said they
were not directly the trigger pullers, so to speak, but
in a lot of context, if you build a bomb
for somebody and handed to them and they put under
a car and they kill somebody, you're going to be
treated as as absolutely culpable in that murder directly. So
the answers, yes, by the way, are there are democrats.
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There's a Democrat history of pardoning murderous terrorists who in
the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties were guilty of over
one hundred bombings in the US on behalf of Puerto
Rican liberation. Well me also add something on Hinkley, and
this is one that I didn't remember some of you
will remember it. I was a baby. I don't know
if Buck was even born yet. Hinkley Buck was found
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not guilty by reason of insanity on all thirteen charges.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I see.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I think this to me makes no sense at all.
If you are not of sound mind to be tried
and you murder somebody, that also means you are not
of sound mind to ever be free in society period.
But what ends up happening sometimes is people go this
insanity route and then they get sent to a a
(25:30):
you know, basically a medical confinement facility, and if down
the line some doctor signs off on it, like they can,
I believe that in some cases they can be released.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And that's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, So here Pinkley Hinkley is out. I mean, I
I think this is a it's crazy. He was released
in twenty sixteen, and he lives at his mom's home
in Virginia. He has a job, and in twenty twenty
(26:02):
four he's got a Twitter account and he tweeted after
Trump was a Timater account. Evidently he tweeted after Present.
This is according to Wikipedia. I'm obviously not an expert
on serial I mean on presidential assassin would be assassin
John Hinckley. He tweeted, according to this, violence is not
(26:25):
the way to go. Give peace a chance after someone
nearly killed Trump on July seventeenth, twenty twenty four. He
also criticized the lack of security at the Washington Hilton
after yet another assassination. Assassin, he's just a free guy.
I mean, this is kind of a crazy story, buck.
(26:46):
I mean, no pun intended here. I didn't remember that
they found him not guilty and he's just out on
the streets, the guy who shot Reagan. People get life
in prison who never killed anybody, you know what I mean.
I mean, you can get life in prip people get
thirty years for uh what right? But he was found
not guilty. They couldn't even prosecute him. But this, but
this is what I'm saying, is like our justicestem. You
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start to look at the stuff and you go, hold
on a second. I feel like we should be pretty
clear that murder or in this case, attempted murder of
a president shouldn't that shouldn't that mean that like you're
not gonna walk the streets of we can we can
argue in the death penalty another day, whether we should
or should not don't want to get into that. Now,
shouldn't that be a lot shouldn't that just be a
mandatory life sentence. I think they've given people mandatory life
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for like serious drug trafficking, offensive and offenses and things
like that. I mean, the whole point of three strikes
and you're out was a third felony conviction you went
away forever. So in some of those felony convictions, to
your point, Buck, I mean, the way that they attacked
three strikes and you're out was they would say, now
to your we've talked about this on the program a
lot of times. You have eight charges against you, and
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you plead guilty to one of the lesser charges. So
people say, oh, he was only selling marijuana and he
did it three times and now he's in prison for
the rest of his life. And you're like, well, actually,
if you go back, like look at all the charges.
A gang member maybe involved in a couple of drive bys,
but yeah, guilty, pleaded guilty. Pleaded guilty, by the way,
it's the proper way to say it, not pled.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Wow, this is uh. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
But so to your point, to the callers point, there
is the possibility. If you yes, if you are involved
in a federal trial, then the presidential pardon powers do
come into play again. I believe this decision was made
to try to avoid the death penalty in the state
case that is scheduled to start on September eighth. Hinkley's
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Hinkley's art. I've seen two pieces of the team pulled
it up. The cat's not bad, you know, that's not
The other thing is weird. That's what I would expect
somebody who tried to shoot a president. I mean, if
you went back to nineteen eighty, nineteen eighty, I think
it was right when Reagan got shot outside of the
Washington Hilton, and you had predicted that John Hanks was
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never going to do a day in prison, that he
would be found not guilty by reason of insanity, and
that in the twenty first century he would become an artist,
to live at home on his own, have a Twitter account,
or have a public profile where he advocated against all
of the all the assassination attempts.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I think that's a.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Fair thing to say that you wouldn't have wouldn't have
expected for that to end up happening. Also, you know,
the Zacharist Mussawi, the twentieth hijacker, the guy who wanted
to be one of the nine to eleven hijackers, life
in prison, KSM. Khalich, Sheik Mohammed, mastermind of the nine
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to eleven attacks, the GITMO. Most of those guys still
have you know this, I don't want to. I gotta
be careful here. We have interacted with some of the
guys that are involved in trying to prosecute these cases. Yeah,
it stuns people to know that on the twenty fifth
anniversary of nine to eleven coming up, the court proceedings
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over what is and is not admissible from the investigations
that ensued from nine to eleven are still ongoing, and
the official prosecutions of many of the nine to eleven
terrorists have never happened twenty five years later.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I mean, I think a lot of other people, a
lot of never going to really I think I think
they're just gonna keep them get montil they die. I
think there's a strong like that's the case. So we
haven't even had trials on those cases out there for people,
So you never know what you're going to learn. I
didn't know that about the Hinckley case. I don't know
what what percentage of this audience do you think knew
(30:39):
that he had never served any time and was found
not guilty of all charges. I don't think it's that
high for insanity. By the way, here's a fun one.
I bet there will be very very few people who
will know the answer to this. What famous Civil War
general was able to avoid imprisonment for life, maybe even
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the death penalty for murdering killing his wife's lover and
then went on to become a hero from the Battle
of Gettysburg for the North after having used successfully the
insanity defense in the murder trial for killing his wife's lover.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Well, he had a passion, right, it was like a
heat of passion defense.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
But but he said he was like overcome by momentary insanity.
That one could be an affirmative defense, and a lot
of you know, if there were I think until like
the nineteen fifties play, if you caught your wife sleeping
with some guy and you took out the double you know,
double barrel shotgun, you did a decent chance of walking.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
So he beat that charge. General. This is this is
for the real Civil War.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Nerd out there General Daniel Sickles, who was leading the
north on July second, which was the his I believe
it was his core, might have been his division was
the primary. I can't remember if he's a core commander
or division commander. Was the primary commander in at Gettysburg
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on the second day when Longstreet's corps attacked and attempted
to turn the left flank of.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
The Union army.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
He lost his leg at that battle. Wanted everybody to
know he was okay, so as he was evacuated from battle,
he insisted on smoking a cigar so that his troops
could see that he was going to be okay. You
really have to do Clay's Civil War podcast series at
some point. I would really.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
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to it and people would love it.
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of the Confederate attack. This is after he shot and
killed his wife's lover in Lafayette Park Buck right outside
(34:31):
of the White House during the height of the Confederate attack.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Wounded by a cannonball, mangled his right leg, and.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
He was again grinning and puffing on a cigar as
he was taken out, lost his leg, then went on
to live to be ninety four, served in Congress after
his career in the Civil War, went on to remarry
and have more kids. So but he was the first
(35:01):
person to use the defense of temporary insanity. The man
that he killed was considered up to that point, the
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the son of Francis Scott Key, who obviously came up
with our national anthem. And he was shot right outside.
(35:21):
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of the house of this individual in Washington.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
D C. By the way, I was wrong, Clay.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I thought that the last of the crime of passion
affirmative defense. So keep in mind it called a crime
of passion, but it was actually it was an affirmative defense,
meaning that if you could convince the judge the jury
that you did this because your wife was cheating on
you and you caught her in the moment, and you
were so heated you walked. It wasn't a mitigating factor.
(35:56):
It was yeah, sorry, I got the guy. I thought
they got more than the nineteen fifties. They got rid
of them in the late nineteen seventies, the last of them.
They're around in some states for a long time. Texas
had them for a long time as defenses go. I
know in the South, you might still be able to
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do that and not that's the other convicted, right. I
think there are probably some jurors who would say, eh,
that's cases recently where like a father found somebody who
was like, you know, molesting is his daughter and the
guy killed the molester and no charges. Oh yeah, I
mean that's basically the entire premise of the time to
(36:38):
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(37:00):
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast Friday. Everybody, and it is Clay and
Buck time. Thank you so much for being here with us.
Excited to talk to you about all the things that
are going on, all of the many, many things we have.
Right off the bat, a breaking news story, I believe
it has pretty much just happened. Luigi Mangioni has pleaded
(00:27):
guilty to federal stocking charges connected to the killing of
United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. So he has pleaded guilty
to assassinating the healthcare s. That's what is going on here,
and their sentencing is set for December eighteenth. This is
(00:48):
coming at an interesting time, I think, Clay, because we've
been discussing the rise of the crazy left among the
Democrat Party. We've been discussing that, and Mangioni is an
outgrowth of that. He is somebody who decided to do
something completely immoral, despicable and demonic, which I might also
(01:11):
add has done absolutely nothing to change anything about the
healthcare system at all. He just murdered some guy who
was a father, who was a husband, who was walking
down the street in New York City, in cold Blood,
and there were people. There are a couple of things.
One is that Mangioni Clay is an outgrowth of that
(01:32):
leftist culture, the same leftist culture that indoctrinated the Charlie
Kirk assassin, the same leftist culture that indoctrinated the attempted
assassin of Steve Scalise, Rand Paul and a whole bunch
of other members of Congress in twenty eighteen in Alexandria, Virginia.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
We can just go down the list.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
The same guy who or the same ideology that pushed
the assassination attempts on Donald Trump, two of them, one
obviously the bullet that went through his ear. The miracle
that our president is still with us to this day.
So there's all that, right, There's we see these assassins
and the ideas around them that get so much support
(02:12):
from media aligned with the Democrat Party, from Democrat politicians.
They differ on the means, it seems. Although now you
have this guy, Hassan Piker, who has become so famous
so quickly on the left, who just says the most
disgusting and outlandish things from the from the perspective of
(02:33):
a leftist and is celebrated in the media, gets glowing profiles.
Everyan's was talking about how manly he is. What you know,
where did he serve like manly?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Why? But put that aside, there is a.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Real problem with not just the ideas around this play,
but also the people who became.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Mangione fans and stands, meaning people that were.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Not just there's the usual like really sad mentally ill
women who like murderers.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
This is a thing that exists. That's why these guys
who are on death.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Row have all these women that want to marry them,
you know, not millions, but obviously dozens. There's that, And
how handsome Manngioni is. It's okay, I mean, let's calm
down about this. But Clay, beyond that, the people that
support him and what he did, and they are all Democrats,
they are all people of the left, and there's a
lot more of them, and we would like to think
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in this country. Unfortunately, that's what this raises for me
to top of mind. Yeah, a couple of things that
stand out to me about him pleading guilty here and
every network is carrying the press conference outside right now
as we speak. A couple of things that are significant.
These are federal crimes. He has pled guilty to a
(03:55):
federal stalking charge ending in death, which is potentially subject
to life imprisonment. The judge will decide. He said he
understands that he's pleading guilty to that. They're trying to
avoid Buck a New York state trial that is I
believe scheduled to start on September eighth and team in
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New York. You guys correct me if I get any
of these facts wrong, because this is the real time
breaking news element associated with this, and he could face
the death penalty in that state trial. And so Buck,
I think they're trying to set up a legal process
by which, if they are pleading guilty here to these
(04:38):
federal charges, they're going to argue there's a double jeopardy
component entailed in potentially the state trial being allowed to proceed.
My guess is that they will file an appeal having
pled guilty here, and they will then see if the
courts will step in and stop the New York state
(04:59):
trial from taking place.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Again.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
For people out there, there's the federal trial which he's
pleading guilty to right now, federal charges relating to stalking
that lead in death. And then he's trying to avoid
this New York State trial. He could face buck in
the New York State trial, the death penalty. So to
your point on the coward front, as it pertains to this,
(05:22):
really what he's doing is running from any sort of
culpability in a significant way, in an effort ultimately, as
the coward he is to preserve his life. Now, if
you want me to say something positive about this, this
doesn't give him an opportunity to grandstand and turn this
(05:44):
trial into a showcase for his deluded worldview. Remember, there
are people that have been showing up outside of this
courtroom dressed up like Luigi from the Mario and Luigi
Super Mario Brothers franchise. He's got legitimate, as you laid out,
people who are sending him letters, that are obsessed with him,
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all of these different things. All of that is continuing
to play out here and again this press conference taking
place right now that prosecutors are laying out why they
have agreed to accept this plea deal, and I suspect
it's because this guy is no longer a hero. He's
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admitting his culpability. He's in prison for the rest of
his life, and remember Buck, we have to be concerned, unfortunately,
that there might be somebody who would sit on this
trial and think Luigi Mangioni as a hero and refuse
to hold him criminally liable. I bet on some level
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that's why the prosecutors in this case have made the
determination to agree to it, because they're a little bit
afraid that they might get somebody on the jury who,
even though this guy is on vidio, killing in cold blood,
even though that could happen, that they're concerned and they
have made that decision to yeah, they could have a
(07:10):
hung jury. All it takes is one and that you
might and then you can retry the person. But that's
obviously a mess, and that would add to all of this.
And Clay, I just I think that it's very clear
to anybody who pays attention to the goings on in
this country that there is a real problem with a
political madness on the left that has resulted in some
(07:32):
high profile assassinations like this one, among others. They did
try to kill President Donald Trump as well, And someone says,
whose day. People that believe this leftist crazy stuff, People
that think that, you know, Donald Trump is hitler and
the worst person in the history of the world to
be president and it's going to put us, you know,
all in camps or start World War three or whatever
it is. They believe this stuff, and it's not just
(07:54):
all over the Internet. It's all over Increasingly, I think
the online media landscape, which I will is increasingly becoming
the dominant media landscape for politics. That shift is happening
more and more for younger people, in particular, as they
get older. They're getting their news not from cable news.
They're not watching the evening news shows on ABC, CBS
(08:17):
and NBC. They have online influencers, and in some cases
they're people who have basically become famous playing video games
while other people chat around them and then saying really
horrible things like America deserve nine to eleven, and then
they're celebrated by the New York Times with glowing profiles
about how brilliant they are. I mean, this is not
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something that I think we can just allow to continue
to happen without pointing out how not just insane this is,
but also how destabilizing it is. These leftists who run
around saying things like, Okay, I disagree with the assassination
(08:59):
of the United Health CEO.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
But I can understand where he's coming from on that.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah, first of all, that means you know nothing about
what the real problem, the real problems with healthcare in
this country. And second of all, they're the red lines
that we would think we have as a society about
these things. Like I said, oh, the night of the
Charlie Kirk assassination the only time I have ever been
on Blue Sky and it was the grossest thing I've
(09:26):
seen online. Maybe Ever, how many people were celebrating that
Charlie Kirk was murdered by some left.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Wing trans trans pushing assassin.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
That that is just where we are in this country now.
And the Democrats don't call it out. They don't have
a problem with it. They view them as their vanguard,
as their street you know, street thugs, their foot soldiers,
and Mangioni is just one of many, unfortunately, that are
out there.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
So we have to remain vigilant. I mean, we just
have to be willing to fight for our society.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I think this may also buck be a li little
bit of a preview to what ends up happening with
the Tyler Robinson case. It would not stun me if
there is an agreement by Tyler Robinson, given the voluminous
amount of evidence against him, to plead guilty as well
before that case goes to trial to try to avoid
the death penalty. And we both know what will happen
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there if he does do that, Clay people be.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Like they made him do it.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
This is the actual the you know, the Egyptians, with
the Saudis and Israel and the Queen of England, they
made him do it. I'm actually surprised, candidly, based on
everything that Luigi Mangioni has done publicly, that he agreed
to plead guilty because I thought he would want the
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forum of the public trial. I think ultimately it just
shows what a coward he is buck that I believe
he is afraid of the death penalty and trying to
keep the state from prosecuting him as well well as
you know also that you don't as a defendant, you
don't get like, you don't get to just have open
mic night up there in the courtroom and be like,
let me tell you all what I think about the
(11:06):
world in America.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
You're going to be cross examined.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I mean, but he could he could have decided to testify,
which would have created its own media circus. He seems
like a person obsessed with celebrity culture, driven in some
ways by a desire to be famous for his political persuasions,
and this basically is going to take him out of
(11:29):
any major discussion point. Again, they're going to try to
fight whether he can be tried under New York state law,
but that I believe is the legal calculus that they
that they have determined.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Here.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Again, this is breaking right now as we are beginning
the show, and the prosecutors who accepted this plea deal
have just finished their press conference, and so we will
see if there are any clips that are particularly newsworthy
to be able to play for you guys. I do
think that the dual sovereignty issue causes I mean, for
(12:02):
this and other cases, just causes problems. This overlap of
you can be tried by two different things for the
same thing. I know it's different jurisdictions, but it's the
same thing. And you really, it really isn't a lot
of times. I'm just my view. It isn't end run
on Double Jeopardy.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It just is.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, I mean, and people who are saying, well, why
do you think about this or why do you care,
I hope MANGIONI yeah, trust me. I would give him
the most extreme punishment under the law allowable.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
We all know what that is.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
But in the case of say a police officer who
defends himself under a Democrat presidency in a state that
will not bring charges against him for acting within you know,
his rules and regulations, he may get hit with federal
civil rights charges for the same thing. Right, So they
do this, they run this, they run this game, and
that's I think that's something that it's not an easy
(12:51):
way to not an easy thing to disentangle. We've also
got more on this speaking of leftists, Duel al Sayed
and where he stands on this one, and Clay the
WN trans athlete story continues on.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
They cannot will.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Got in as they are hoisted on their own petard,
as one might say, I really think my view, and
you can tell me if you agree with this, either
now or after the break, if you want to just
hold people through. My view is that they are they
held a meeting so that they could say they held
a meeting, and they're just gonna hope this goes away.
They're just hoping it goes away. I don't think it's
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going to go away. I think that would cut through
to such an extent. We'll talk about it when we
come back. Yeah, but this is I mean, I think
that's their only plan is praying that it goes away.
I don't think they have another plan. I don't know
what else to say. So we'll see at a time
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Buck criticizing CNN for canceling a black we Come woman's interview.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Do we have the clip of him?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, we've got a We've got a Royce clip. I
think so, don't we? Yeah, yeah, roy No, well he
calls himself Royesha. Now yes, well it's very brave. This
is cut too. You can listen. They're trying to figure
out how to respond to you and Canter's bid is
what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It's a real thing. They got to deal with it.
What's the real thing?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Could this culminate when you and you actually planning in
the WNB it better?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Why wouldn't they let me play?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
It's completely completely bigoted to deny my trans existence.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Can I just say I've been this is This is
a little bit of a dream come true for those
of us in conservative commentary. Okay, this has been the
ultimate sanction that we have known as needed for a
long time. This is the only way that you can
really finally stop this badness. You need Royce White to
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actually shoot up as a WNBA player, score one hundred
points in his first game, and then people have to
finally say, you know what, You're right, that's the only
way this can actually happen. How perfect is his voice,
I mean that deep voice when it's saying that his
femininity as being denied. I mean, it's it's like South Park,
which made the perfect decision. I don't know when they
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started that years ago. Do you know, can you get
him on the show? We should have raced on the show. Yeah,
we'll definitely get him on. It's like when Macho Man
being selected as the man who wins all the women's sporting.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I'm not here to talk about my transition.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's one of the great South Park things parties visionaries,
they really are, but that was played for laughs. Now
it regularly is occurring when you see stands of winners
and it's just some clear dude with a beard who's like,
I'm the greatest woman who's ever lived. And I do
think that the way this is all playing out is
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your promotional details I've got a couple of stories that
we're going back and forth on.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Here.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
One is this fleeting guilty from Mangione to the federal
charge of stalking resulting in murder. And you also have
the US Attorney of the Southern District of New York
who came out and said this after the police this
is cut twenty three play it.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
The defendant committed this murder in an attempt to draw
public attention to his dislike of certain businesses. But we
live in a civilized society governed by the rule of law.
We debate, we disagree, we protest, We do not commit murder.
No grievance, political belief, or ideological cause can ever justify murder.
(19:53):
There can be no celebrity in assassination. Any person who celebrates, encourage,
or excuses actions like these is fundamentally wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Totally agree with all that, Clay.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Unfortunately, a lot of people who vote for Democrat politicians
across the country do not believe it.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I can't give you a number.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
But I can point to the people standing outside the trial,
the people online that are on support of this, the
people who spend time after the assassination talking about how
handsome he was and how he's like a sex symbol.
Remember this is not this is not a one off, everybody.
They did this also with Sarnaiev, the Boston Marathon bomber,
(20:33):
and put him on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine. Okay,
like we're rock and roll stars.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Go.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
They like to do this as long as the aligns
with their politics. Of course, they think that this is
a fantastic way to celebrate one of the most demonic
and evil things in our society. So the US attorney
here is correct, that's not Do we still have Joe
and Cincinnati on the line, guys, because he does have
a good question and we want to do address. Is
he still with us? Joe and Cincinnati. I wanted to
(21:00):
get your question because it ties into this. Then we'll
talk more. WNBA, it's a Friday, will lighten up a it?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Go ahead, Joe and Fellows, how are you today?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Great? Good?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Good? Hey? My question was and is uh if if
this plea deal goes through for Mangoni on the federal
level and they decide not to proceed with the state
court proceedings, this is a horrible thought. But I need
to ask you, especially with Clay's legal background, does this
(21:32):
would that open the door if there are no state
proceedings that if Heaven forbid, we have a left wing
loon in the White House come twenty twenty eight. Could
Mangioni then be pardoned because of the federal rat Yes.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
The answer, I mean, I don't even need a lot
of good telling. The answer is yes. Clay said, yes,
So we got the lawyer and the non lawyer telling
you the same thing. But Clay, so good call Joe,
and that is just that should be. Everyone should know
this that you could fear ready Now, I don't think
realistically a future Democrat president would pardon man. I mean
that would be I look, you never know, but I
(22:08):
don't think so. But a commutation Clay in twenty years
sounds crazy to some people now, But if he gets
a life sentence, didn't they didn't the Democrats commute the
sentence of like a Puerto Rican liberation terrorist?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Am I am? I didn't Hillary pardon some of them
or something? Or do you guys remember talking about a favor?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I don't remember that one, but I think they didn't
they commute the sentence of the John Hinckley, the individual
who shot Ronald Reagan, because they said that he was
insane basically, and that he had been in some way
after forty some odd years of incarceration, that he had
been cured enough of his mental illness that he was
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allowed to have some freedoms. I know Reagan didn't die,
so it wasn't a murder charge. But I think most
people would expect that if you shoot the president, you're
going to be in prison for the rest of your life.
And I do think Buck the caller is asking a
good question. I think what the roll of the dice
here is MANGIONI is relatively young, right, what is he
(23:16):
twenty six? I think at the time of the shooting,
if I remember correctly, they are rolling the dice, that
he's not going to get a life sentence, and given
somewhat lenient standards on parole that exist in New York State,
that maybe in twenty or thirty years he could be
let back out onto the streets. So I was actually
(23:37):
it was. Hillary Clinton distanced herself from Bill Clinton's commutation
of the sentences. In nineteen ninety nine, of sixteen members
of the Florisas Armades de Liberacion Nacional, which is the
Puerto Rican nationalist separatist group. Also, by the way, I
mean talking of a bunch of what you guys really
(23:58):
want to be out on your own. I think something
like thirty percent of Puerto Rico is on like serious
federal government assistants. Shall we say, you want to just
break away and do your own thing? Good luck with
that yet, And of course they have US citizenship, they
have US passports. But Clay, yeah, they did it. He
did commute sixteen people who were involved. Now they were
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involved in seditious conspiracy, weapons explosives offenses. They said they
were not directly the trigger pullers, so to speak, but
in a lot of context, if you build a bomb
for somebody and handed to them and they put under
a car and they kill somebody, you're going to be
treated as as absolutely culpable in that murder directly. So
the answers, yes, by the way, are there are democrats.
(24:41):
There's a Democrat history of pardoning murderous terrorists who in
the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties were guilty of over
one hundred bombings in the US on behalf of Puerto
Rican liberation. Well me also add something on Hinkley, and
this is one that I didn't remember some of you
will remember it. I was a baby. I don't know
if Buck was even born yet. Hinkley Buck was found
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not guilty by reason of insanity on all thirteen charges.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I see.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I think this to me makes no sense at all.
If you are not of sound mind to be tried
and you murder somebody, that also means you are not
of sound mind to ever be free in society period.
But what ends up happening sometimes is people go this
insanity route and then they get sent to a a
(25:30):
you know, basically a medical confinement facility, and if down
the line some doctor signs off on it, like they can,
I believe that in some cases they can be released.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And that's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, So here Pinkley Hinkley is out. I mean, I
I think this is a it's crazy. He was released
in twenty sixteen, and he lives at his mom's home
in Virginia. He has a job, and in twenty twenty
(26:02):
four he's got a Twitter account and he tweeted after
Trump was a Timater account. Evidently he tweeted after Present.
This is according to Wikipedia. I'm obviously not an expert
on serial I mean on presidential assassin would be assassin
John Hinckley. He tweeted, according to this, violence is not
(26:25):
the way to go. Give peace a chance after someone
nearly killed Trump on July seventeenth, twenty twenty four. He
also criticized the lack of security at the Washington Hilton
after yet another assassination. Assassin, he's just a free guy.
I mean, this is kind of a crazy story, buck.
(26:46):
I mean, no pun intended here. I didn't remember that
they found him not guilty and he's just out on
the streets, the guy who shot Reagan. People get life
in prison who never killed anybody, you know what I mean.
I mean, you can get life in prip people get
thirty years for uh what right? But he was found
not guilty. They couldn't even prosecute him. But this, but
this is what I'm saying, is like our justicestem. You
(27:06):
start to look at the stuff and you go, hold
on a second. I feel like we should be pretty
clear that murder or in this case, attempted murder of
a president shouldn't that shouldn't that mean that like you're
not gonna walk the streets of we can we can
argue in the death penalty another day, whether we should
or should not don't want to get into that. Now,
shouldn't that be a lot shouldn't that just be a
mandatory life sentence. I think they've given people mandatory life
(27:30):
for like serious drug trafficking, offensive and offenses and things
like that. I mean, the whole point of three strikes
and you're out was a third felony conviction you went
away forever. So in some of those felony convictions, to
your point, Buck, I mean, the way that they attacked
three strikes and you're out was they would say, now
to your we've talked about this on the program a
lot of times. You have eight charges against you, and
(27:52):
you plead guilty to one of the lesser charges. So
people say, oh, he was only selling marijuana and he
did it three times and now he's in prison for
the rest of his life. And you're like, well, actually,
if you go back, like look at all the charges.
A gang member maybe involved in a couple of drive bys,
but yeah, guilty, pleaded guilty. Pleaded guilty, by the way,
it's the proper way to say it, not pled.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Wow, this is uh. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
But so to your point, to the callers point, there
is the possibility. If you yes, if you are involved
in a federal trial, then the presidential pardon powers do
come into play again. I believe this decision was made
to try to avoid the death penalty in the state
case that is scheduled to start on September eighth. Hinkley's
(28:39):
Hinkley's art. I've seen two pieces of the team pulled
it up. The cat's not bad, you know, that's not
The other thing is weird. That's what I would expect
somebody who tried to shoot a president. I mean, if
you went back to nineteen eighty, nineteen eighty, I think
it was right when Reagan got shot outside of the
Washington Hilton, and you had predicted that John Hanks was
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never going to do a day in prison, that he
would be found not guilty by reason of insanity, and
that in the twenty first century he would become an artist,
to live at home on his own, have a Twitter account,
or have a public profile where he advocated against all
of the all the assassination attempts.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I think that's a.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Fair thing to say that you wouldn't have wouldn't have
expected for that to end up happening. Also, you know,
the Zacharist Mussawi, the twentieth hijacker, the guy who wanted
to be one of the nine to eleven hijackers, life
in prison, KSM. Khalich, Sheik Mohammed, mastermind of the nine
(29:41):
to eleven attacks, the GITMO. Most of those guys still
have you know this, I don't want to. I gotta
be careful here. We have interacted with some of the
guys that are involved in trying to prosecute these cases. Yeah,
it stuns people to know that on the twenty fifth
anniversary of nine to eleven coming up, the court proceedings
(30:02):
over what is and is not admissible from the investigations
that ensued from nine to eleven are still ongoing, and
the official prosecutions of many of the nine to eleven
terrorists have never happened twenty five years later.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I mean, I think a lot of other people, a
lot of never going to really I think I think
they're just gonna keep them get montil they die. I
think there's a strong like that's the case. So we
haven't even had trials on those cases out there for people,
So you never know what you're going to learn. I
didn't know that about the Hinckley case. I don't know
what what percentage of this audience do you think knew
(30:39):
that he had never served any time and was found
not guilty of all charges. I don't think it's that
high for insanity. By the way, here's a fun one.
I bet there will be very very few people who
will know the answer to this. What famous Civil War
general was able to avoid imprisonment for life, maybe even
(31:03):
the death penalty for murdering killing his wife's lover and
then went on to become a hero from the Battle
of Gettysburg for the North after having used successfully the
insanity defense in the murder trial for killing his wife's lover.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Well, he had a passion, right, it was like a
heat of passion defense.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
But but he said he was like overcome by momentary insanity.
That one could be an affirmative defense, and a lot
of you know, if there were I think until like
the nineteen fifties play, if you caught your wife sleeping
with some guy and you took out the double you know,
double barrel shotgun, you did a decent chance of walking.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
So he beat that charge. General. This is this is
for the real Civil War.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Nerd out there General Daniel Sickles, who was leading the
north on July second, which was the his I believe
it was his core, might have been his division was
the primary. I can't remember if he's a core commander
or division commander. Was the primary commander in at Gettysburg
(32:12):
on the second day when Longstreet's corps attacked and attempted
to turn the left flank of.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
The Union army.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
He lost his leg at that battle. Wanted everybody to
know he was okay, so as he was evacuated from battle,
he insisted on smoking a cigar so that his troops
could see that he was going to be okay. You
really have to do Clay's Civil War podcast series at
some point. I would really.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
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to it and people would love it.
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the major General. He was core commander at Gettysburg, and
he was at the center of the July second attack,
second day of Battle of Gettysburg and during the height
of the Confederate attack. This is after he shot and
killed his wife's lover in Lafayette Park Buck right outside
(34:31):
of the White House during the height of the Confederate attack.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Wounded by a cannonball, mangled his right leg, and.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
He was again grinning and puffing on a cigar as
he was taken out, lost his leg, then went on
to live to be ninety four, served in Congress after
his career in the Civil War, went on to remarry
and have more kids. So but he was the first
(35:01):
person to use the defense of temporary insanity. The man
that he killed was considered up to that point, the
most handsome man in Washington, d C. And it was
the son of Francis Scott Key, who obviously came up
with our national anthem. And he was shot right outside.
(35:21):
For those of you who have been to Washington, d C.
He was shot on a public park bench right outside
of the house of this individual in Washington.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
D C. By the way, I was wrong, Clay.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I thought that the last of the crime of passion
affirmative defense. So keep in mind it called a crime
of passion, but it was actually it was an affirmative defense,
meaning that if you could convince the judge the jury
that you did this because your wife was cheating on
you and you caught her in the moment, and you
were so heated you walked. It wasn't a mitigating factor.
(35:56):
It was yeah, sorry, I got the guy. I thought
they got more than the nineteen fifties. They got rid
of them in the late nineteen seventies, the last of them.
They're around in some states for a long time. Texas
had them for a long time as defenses go. I
know in the South, you might still be able to
(36:17):
do that and not that's the other convicted, right. I
think there are probably some jurors who would say, eh,
that's cases recently where like a father found somebody who
was like, you know, molesting is his daughter and the
guy killed the molester and no charges. Oh yeah, I
mean that's basically the entire premise of the time to
(36:38):
kill right the John Grisham novel all Right, we come back,
wnba insanity continues. Also Abdul lsayed, man, this guy. The
polling's not looking very good in Michigan. We will discuss
that and more. We've got a couple of guests coming
your way. Let's have some fun. Friday Edition Playing Book.
(37:00):
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