August 5, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show focused heavily on the political ramifications of the Michigan Democratic Senate primary, broader Democratic Party trends heading into the 2026 midterms and 2028 presidential cycle, and the continued national debate surrounding men’s and women’s sports. Clay and Buck analyzed Abdul El-Sayed’s narrow victory over Haley Stevens in Michigan’s Democratic Senate primary, discussing what the result could mean for control of the U.S. Senate and the future direction of the Democratic Party. The hosts argued that the race reflects a growing influence of progressive and democratic socialist candidates within Democratic politics, citing recent primary outcomes in Michigan and other states as evidence of a broader leftward movement. They also examined Republican prospects in Michigan, including Senate candidate Mike Rogers and gubernatorial candidate John James, while debating whether El-Sayed’s progressive positions could create vulnerabilities in a statewide general election.
A major theme throughout Hour 1 was the hosts’ assessment of Democratic Party strategy and ideology. Clay and Buck discussed the rise of Democratic Socialists of America-backed candidates, the continued strength of progressive figures and movements, and what they see as increasing tension between moderate and far-left factions. They examined election trends in several states, reviewed primary results beyond Michigan, and debated how Democratic candidates could attempt to reposition themselves for general election voters. The conversation also explored polling accuracy, voter demographics, turnout considerations, and the importance of key swing states such as Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Georgia in shaping future national elections.
The hosts spent considerable time examining Abdul El-Sayed’s past comments and policy positions, particularly regarding immigration enforcement, ICE, Israel, and Middle East-related issues. They debated how those positions could impact support among various voting blocs, including suburban, working-class, Black, and Jewish voters. Clay and Buck also discussed broader electoral themes such as cost-of-living concerns, voter motivation, political messaging, and whether ideological issues or economic issues will ultimately determine close races in critical battleground states.
In addition to politics, Hour 1 featured discussion of Clay Travis’s increasingly viral challenge involving a proposed matchup between elite boys’ basketball players and WNBA athletes. Fresh off appearances on national television, including a heated exchange on Piers Morgan’s program, Clay defended his argument that biological differences explain the separation of men’s and women’s sports and suggested that top boys’ teams would be highly competitive against professional women’s teams. The hosts discussed public reaction to the controversy, media criticism, and the broader national conversation about fairness in athletics, gender differences in sports performance, and transgender participation in women’s sports. Clay teased upcoming reactions from critics and media figures who have challenged his position.
The hour also included lighter moments, with Clay and Buck joking about social media algorithms, artificial intelligence-generated influencers, and the growing difficulty of distinguishing real online personalities from AI-created content. The conversation mixed political analysis, sports commentary, media criticism, and cultural observations, setting the stage for later interviews and continued debate on the biggest political and social issues shaping the national landscape.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Wednesday edition of Clay and Fuck kicks off right now.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Oh boy, what a show, What a day.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Michigan's mom Donnie wins the Democrat Senate primary. Al Sayed
fellow Abdul al Sayed is victorious against his challenger, Haley Stevens, and.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We will have that discussion. We'll talk about what this means.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
There's some other primary results that are certainly worth us
spending some time on. And mister Clay Travis is continuing
to make the rounds on media elsewhere as his ten
million dollar WNBA franchise expansion challenge is catching fire. And
(00:55):
some people very upset, very upset at the observation of
reality that men are better than women at roughly equivalent levels,
meaning college to professional or maybe even high school professional
in a lot of different sports. This is controversial, even
though that is the basis of why we have men's
and women's sports separated. Right, we don't have a men's
(01:17):
and women's SAT, but we do have a men's and
women's basketball team and league, etc. There are reasons for this.
There are reasons for this. We shall discuss that. Yes, sir,
there you Clay. If you're not on YouTube. You're missing
out because he's wearing a blazer today, which means he's
probably doing some mover and shaker stuff. Were you just
hanging out with the CEO of Goldman?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
What's going on here?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Apologies for being like thirty seconds late. I was on
with Piers Morgan. Things got heated are here, as things
often do with the debate over men and women's sports.
They actually had a guy on the show who was
refused using Peers. I give Peers really does do a
(02:02):
good job of questioning, and he got a left winger
on there and he said, hey, would you acknowledge that
steroids are, for instance, an issue? And the guy kept saying, well,
I don't care at all about men and women's sports.
I think this is a huge distraction. There's nothing to it.
And Peers got him to admit that he cared about
steroids and cheating in baseball in the Olympics. He said,
(02:24):
wait a minute, why do you care about fairness in
competition as it pertains to that, but you will not
acknowledge any issues in men and women's sports. But it
was the very end of the show, so this went
over ran. Paul was on as a guest and so
I legitimately sprinted over here. Thank you for bringing us
in right off the top. But if you're watching on YouTube,
(02:48):
I got to adjust my chair here in a minute too.
But if you're watching on YouTube, you are getting to
see me in a sports coat and a button down,
which I rarely wear on this program. But a couple
of other things you just hit off right off the top.
The biggest I would say this is effectively in many
ways in earthquake because Abdul l Sayed won this Michigan
(03:13):
Democrat Senate primary, but buck he only won it by
around one point. Hailey Stevens only lost this primary by
about fifteen thousand votes. And it's another huge polling era
error in the polling era of failure that continues. And
(03:33):
now Mike Rogers is going to be going head to
head against Abdul Lsayad in Michigan and this may well
decide the United States Senate control because I think Mike
Rogers is going to beat him.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I really do. Well.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I would also like you to know everyone that the
timing is fortuitous. I believe we have Mike Rodgers joining
us today on the program Play the Check Yes with
us about this very important Senate race, which, of course,
people are going to look at any swing state like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia,
(04:07):
look at these places and the election results and extrapolate,
rightly or wrongly, what this means for the big twenty
twenty eight election. And I'm not trying to freak any
of you out, but Clay and I have already been
mentally preparing ourselves for this. The president next presidential election
cycle basically starts in January and we are in August,
(04:31):
meaning that this is going to be a big This
is going to be a thing, my friends. There's going
to be a battle royale among the Democrats. We're going
to see something happen. Who is the heir apparent for
Maga seem to be the vice president, but some people
think maybe they's something else afoot. We'll get into all this,
So Clay, just a brief over. I want to dial
into the al Sai Ed thing too, who has let
(04:53):
everybody know that his Instagram algorithm is very focused on
OnlyFans models, which we can play that clip. I'm gonna
tell you something. Don't tell your wife, everybody, don't tell
your wife. My Instagram is just all these only things
models in the algorithm don't don't do that.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
This is gonna be a rare situation where you will
hear me defend abdul Lsayd. That is probably a sign
that he is looking at a lot of pretty girls
on Instagram. I gotta be honest with you. I the
every time somebody comes out and I think I've said
it before too, like my Instagram algorithm, Buck, this is
(05:30):
not gonna shock you.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It is all like sports, and I know where it is.
It's sports.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I like if I go, if I go into the algorithm,
I'm just being honest with everybody. Sports and pretty girls. Now,
what I actually think is the most crazy thing about
this Instagram algorithm in general. I don't know if we've
talked about this on the program. The AI fake pretty
girls are now starting to wipe out the actual pretty
girls on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
It's to the point now where I see a pretty girl,
I can't even tell if it's a real person or
if it's just an AI bot creation of a pretty girl,
which is now funny. The competition for pretty girls is
not other pretty girls primarily on Instagram influencing. It's whether
it's actually a real person or not again, not coming
(06:16):
down hard on this one wan or the other.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I'm just saying, guys, don't announce for no reason that
your Instagram algorithm is just beautiful women in lingerie, because
you know your wife or your girlfriend doesn't really need
to hear that. But back to the election results. Here
we'll talk about mister al say it and what this means.
I'll give you a little preview. I think Clay and
I are gonna as often happens, we never do this beforehand.
(06:39):
I think it's just because while we agree on a lot,
we have just somewhat different dispositions and perspectives on the
world around us. I think he thinks I'll say at
his toast against Mike Rogers and I am worried.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Well, I am concerned. Here's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, I don't want to do this right now, but
go ahead, go ahead, We've got a home.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I don't know that I would say host.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
This is going to be a super close race, right
I mean Michigan, we said yesterday a Senate candidate from
the Republican side has not won in Michigan since the
nineteen nineties. Who's a Republican? So this is gonna be
a tough battleground race, but I am very optimistic, very optimistic.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
You saw, like my dad calling who's gonna win the
football game? Sun.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
It's clearly gonna be the Giants, but I mean maybe
the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Okay, you know, having a little tide down to two
points one way or the other, it's gonna be fifty
one forty nine one way or the other.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I think, so let's we're gonna we're gonna dive into that.
Certainly some more and what this means, but I just, Clay,
I want to set the table a bit with what
we are seeing right now and in this primary and
what's going on. Five states held primaries yesterday, Okay, Kansas, Michigan, Missouri, Virginia,
and Washington. By far, the one that's getting the most
(07:53):
attentions we've already discussed is the very narrow defeat of
Hailey Stevens by I'll abdu al sayed. So it was
a one percentage point difference, fifteen thousand votes over a
million casts.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
The Democrats, well, the other races are not really I'm
trying to skip.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Through to just the ones that we care about. Rep.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
John James who is Trump backed, is now facing off
against Benson for the governor's race in Michigan, so that
will be interesting as well. As you've got a governor's
race with some with a Trump backed candidate on the
Republican side who's got a real shot. You've got Kansas
(08:35):
governor's race. There nothing that's really getting that much attention.
And you know, the Washington has a top two primary system,
so we'd have to spend more time on that. But
the broadest takeaway here, Clay, I think is you've still
you have this continued rise of far left candidates within
the Democrat Party. There is clearly a trend here. The
(08:59):
trend is not definitive, but the trend is real and
I don't see it slowing down anytime soon.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Well, I think what it represents, and this is the
analogy that I would draw. I think what it represents
is in twenty twenty two, there was such frustration with
Joe Biden and the way that the twenty twenty election
went and COVID and everything else that I said, I
expected there to be a red tsunami, and you got
(09:28):
it a little bit in New York, and you got
it a little bit in Florida and the House did flip.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
But this we got a big time in Florida. It
just didn't wash around the rest of the country.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
But to correct, and the reason why it didn't ultimately
wash around the rest of the country was Democrats had
been strategic and they had helped to elevate the further
right candidate in all of the Republican primaries. They were
actually out there buying ads to support right wing candidates.
And so as all of this played out, I think
(09:59):
in a very significant way, Republicans overreached in twenty twenty two,
and that cost us in a bunch of otherwise close environments,
and we didn't get the same result in Florida and
New York on the East Coast that we got in
much of the rest of the country as a result,
and frankly, a lot of those twenty twenty two races,
you go back and look, incumbent's basically won everywhere, and
(10:23):
Democrats won a lot of really close races that came
down to the very fine margin. And so as a
part of all of this, I think that what you
may see is Democrats angry, frustrated, furious over twenty twenty four.
In Trump and so they're actually going with the farthest
left wing candidate, which may not pay play very well
(10:43):
at all buck in the general elections.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
So one thing. A couple of other names that come
up here. Donovan McKinney, Clay Michigan's thirteenth congressional district. He
defeated incumbent shri Thanadar, who might be like, who is
that guy? If you see him, if you see a
clip of him, you'll be like, oh, that guy. He
(11:06):
has had some viral clips in the past, but this
is a DSA endorsed guy. Donovan McKinney was a Democratic
Socialist endorse candidate, so he's now probably gonna gonna win
that seat. I know, it's just one congressional sheet seat.
Rashieta Talib easily won. She smoked her competitor. So anyone thinks,
oh the squad, the squad is not over. The squad
(11:27):
is still thriving. And then in the state legislative races
of Michigan, Kansas and Missouri and Washington, you had a
number of explicitly DSA. Now I understand that's just if
you don't live in those states, you're like, they don't
really affect me. But it's a little bit of the
farm team for congressional seats, right, that's the that's the
the JV before the varsity of the national level. And
(11:49):
you had a whole bunch of Chris Gilmour, Isaiah Harris,
Jimmy Lapp, Sean Scott, Jalen Scott. You had a whole
bunch of people who are DSA endorsed who won. Now
they have to continue to win. This is just a primary.
But you know you're not seeing Democrats walk with from
the DSA thing and play. You got Bernie Sanders out
there saying things like, oh, we can't judge you know, right,
(12:14):
I mean left, sorry, not right wing, far left streamer
Hassan Piker by saying America deserved nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
He belongs in the party.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
He belongs in the party more than James Carville. This
is what you're hearing from people who are very prominent
voices among Democrats. So they're making plenty of room for
the ultra progressive commy maniacs.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, and look, I think in Wisconsin, I think Republicans
have a really good chance of winning the governor's race there.
In fact, Republicans are favored to win because it looks
like they're going to nominate Francesca Hong. Now to be
fair in the markets out there, Michigan is still favored
to vote for Abdul Lsied, but I light it out yesterday.
(12:58):
I think he's got major issue with Jewish voters. You
mentioned John James, who's going to be on the program
again soon, the Republican nominee for governor in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
He's a black guy.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Why does that matter, you might say, Well, El Sayed
has got issues with black voters. They overwhelmingly voted for
Hailey Stevens. Now, maybe some of those guys and gals
are going to come back into the big tent now
that Lsayed is there. But I think he's going to
struggle in the Detroit area and Buck. I'll just say,
I know the state of Michigan really, really well. Everyone
(13:32):
who lives remotely in a rural place, there are still
some old school Democrats in many of these rural locations. Man,
they are not going to show up and vote for
Abdul l Sayed. And these are I'm not talking about
the diehard, died in the wool political people. I'm talking
about just your regular, hardworking people. Out there in Michigan.
(13:54):
I think they're going to show up and they're going
to vote for Mike Rodgers. Now, it's going to be
close because Michigan is a fifty to fifty state, and
we know they could run big Bird and he would
get forty eight percent of the election vote right now
in Michigan because Democrats show up and support Democrats no
matter who is actually on the ballot. But I am
very optimistic that Mike Rodgers can win. We will ask
(14:16):
him about all this at two pm Eastern when he
is going to be on the program with us.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I almost I feel like I can't really argue.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
With Clay effectively right now because when he's wearing a
sport jacket, he's so much more authority. You know, usually
he's wearing sand old T shirits. So this is why
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and Buck. In addition to the Michigan primary results that
have come out, UH, the ongoing discussion surrounding abdul Lsayad
is going to be super intriguing, if only for this reason, Buck.
This guy is crazy left wing and the turnout didn't
(17:09):
actually end up being that huge in Dearborn. I wonder
how many people in Michigan are really going to respond
very well to him saying that he didn't want to
celebrate the Ayatola of Iran being killed. Which can we
pull that audio again? Because I believe it was leaked.
I know we talked about it back then because there
(17:29):
were too many people that were upset that we're going
to be voting for him. Like this is pretty radical
when a terrorist gets killed and the Democrat candidate says, hey,
there's too many people that are going to be upset,
so we shouldn't talk about this. I just think that's
going to be a hard putt to sink in Michigan.
I would like to come back here and explain, Clay.
I think I have insight into the incredible political strategy
(17:53):
Democrats are going to use for Abduel.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I'll say, ed, I think I know their playbook. Let's
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(19:01):
country with this primary that just happened. I know it's
just a primary, but it's also almost mid August or
soon to be mid August, and we'll take whatever political
stories come our way from them, where the things are
going for the midterm or how things are looking at
this stage.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Also play Travis all over the.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Place, some people loving, some people not so much loving
his ten million dollar offer of the Boys sports team
beating the women's WNBA.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Was it the champions, the women's champions champions.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Right, Although if they wanted to put the all star
team out on the court, I would have the same outcome.
They could pick the twelve best and put them onto
a team to compete, and it would be the same outcome.
And honestly, I think I could probably take it to
eighth grade boys because I think the best team it
would have to be the best team of eighth grade boys.
But I think a really talented eighth grade boys team
(19:54):
would demolish the best WNBA players.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Now, I went to a high school that in the
third like division of the New York City Catholic School League,
so we were like the C level I believe for basketball,
the A level had would actually produce people who like
went on to the NBA. You know, there's like a
number of NBA players that have played in that New
(20:18):
York City Catholic school. Some of them have a couple
thousand students are really big. I just bring it up
because there were ninth graders who could throw it down,
Like there were ninth graders who in ninth and tenth
graders who were dunking.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
And to me. That was just like I was like, wow,
oh that's.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Pretty I mean, look, as soon as testosterone hits your
and any of you who've raised a boy know what
I'm talking about. Your kid goes from a little boy
to a young man almost overnight. Voice changes, They can
suddenly jump a lot higher, they got armpit hair, they
got a mustache growing. It's a it's a different species
(20:53):
in many ways.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
So we got this. I'll duel. I'll say that guy.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I want to return to this team throughout because it
comes up in a few context Clay the very complicated
political strategy the Democrats are going to deploy for this midterm.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Uh. And the short version is they're going to lie.
They're going to.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Lie about what these candidates believe leading up to the election,
what they've said in the past, what observable reality is
about the policies that they support. I give a shout
out here to my friend Michael Malice who, in response
to Steve Hilton responding to a former Transportation secretary Buddha Judge,
(21:37):
Buddha Judge, and we'll pull this cluib. Butera Judge is
out there on some podcast, one of the big one
of the sort of big you know, long form podcasts.
He's out there talking about how we just need to
raise taxes to build trains. Steve Hilton, our friend who
is running a very very solid and serious campaign for
the governor of California, responds to Buddha Judge. Of course
(21:59):
that's real. That's not true. We've spent two hundred billion
dollars or something in California and have like a couple
miles I think, no, not one mile of track laid.
That was the exchange. But then Michael Malice chimes in online.
He's a very smart guy and an unusual and interesting thinker.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
He says, no, he knows.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Bututera Judge knows that he's lying, and I actually think
we need to be We need to understand that. That
doesn't mean that what Steve Hilton is doing is not necessary. Yeah,
of course point out the incorrect thing. But don't think
that the Democrats are surprised when you point out what
they're saying isn't true. The whole point is that they're lying,
(22:39):
and this al say, ed guy, They're going to say,
Clay whatever they have to say as this as this
gets closer, I mean, here, here's an example. Here's Abdullah
al Sayed, saying that ICE is really bad.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
We need to get rid of ice. Play ten here.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Ice has nothing to do with the southern border. That's
customs and border protection. I believe in a secure border.
I also believe in immigration enforcement. Believe it not shooting
Americans in the back of the head in the face
while I'm trying to do it. And maybe it's because
I've served in government agencies. But once a government agency
like that is told that has impunity to do the
worst things and violate the highest law of the land,
which is the Constitution itself, I don't think you can
(23:14):
reform or retrain that.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I think we need to start from scratch. And ICE
is not very old.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
It's it's fifteen years younger than I am it was
starting it started.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
It was a bad experiment.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
It's been weaponized to do the worst things, and I
think we need to abolish it and start from scratch,
perhaps going back to something like the ions, which for
a very long time, very capably enforced immigration policy without
of course shooting Americans and violating our civil liberties.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Now, there's a lot of problems with what he says.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
First of all, we didn't have ten million people plus
just flooding the country in a fore and we've gone
through completely unprecedented open borders thanks to the Biden administration,
which even a lot of Biden people have basically admitted
at this point. Clay, but here he's saying, that's abolishized.
That's what this guy has been saying. As the election
gets closer in Michigan. Don't be surprised. On CNN. They're
(24:00):
giving them the opportunity to be like, you really mean reform, right,
And he's like, yes, I'm calling for the reform of
ICE because I believe in borders.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
They're just gonna lie a lot, yes, and they're actually
going to be encouraged to lie. Look, I think Bacari
Sellers is a moron. He's a CNN analyst. He's come
after me on men and women's sports before he tweeted yesterday.
Can someone close to Francesca Hong just advise her to
(24:30):
focus on grassroots activities in Wisconsin. No more national media interviews.
Just put a lid on that. Why because she's going
to say what she actually believes and get questioned about it.
And if they can hide her from the media and
just have her doing grass reachs events without aggressive questioning,
(24:52):
then they can pretend she isn't a radical. And they
will now pretend that Abdul el Sayed is not in
any way a radical, even though the evidence overwhelmingly shows
that he is insanely radical. In fact, we've got a
clip here at the end that I wanted to play.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Did you play cut ten?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Is that the one you just played a lot of
what he is saying. In fact, when we can get
this ad, let's see if it's not in yet. I
just sent it to producer Greg. The National Republican Senate
Committee is already running an ad that is up on
the air right now. I texted early on in this campaign,
(25:40):
I tweeted that the best thing that could happen for
Michigan Republicans was Abdul l Sayed ending up the nominee,
and people got mad at me. In fact, the Michigan
I even said that Michigan Republicans should consider go to
vote for Abdul l Sayed. This came down to about
fifteen thousand votes. He basically only won because of how
(26:02):
well he did in the University of Michigan and Michigan
State University campus votes.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Can I give you one person who agrees with you,
very very strongly, beautifully agrees brilliant Klay Travis.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
But you know that better than anybody, Clay.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Great news for the Republican Party, Trump writes. Al Sayed,
a communist loser who hates Jews and Israel, is the
projected winner in this race with the socialist. As usual,
the polls were way off on this one. She was
not expected to do nearly as well as she did.
Now the Democrats crazy policies will only get worse. So
(26:41):
Trump sees this very much the way you see this.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yes, and he's right. And look, this is going to be.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
A race that if if Republicans can win Michigan that
flips a Democrat seat, there is no math by which
the the Senate would be in.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Control or in danger.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
And so I think this is going to be really
significant going forward. The money that is going to pour
in is going to be incredibly impactful. And buck this
will also matter in the governor's race. Again, I don't
know if very many people are talking about this. I
think having John James, who is a great candidate, already
(27:23):
been elected in Congress, him campaigning as a black guy
alongside of Mike Rogers when Abdul Elsayad has been struggling
immensely with black voters in Michigan. I think that's going
to help. I do think that that's going to send
a message of who the normal candidate is.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
And do you think John James is going to be
able to take away from the expected black vote for
the Democrat in that race? Because I remember now it
doesn't take very much the same thing that I would
say about Jewish voters. We got a lot of people
that are listening to us that might not have been
traditional voter. This guy refused to condemn after the attack
(28:05):
in Southeast Michigan in Oakland County. I know everybody just
immediately forgot about it because the guy who was trying
to attack got shot. He said, hurt people do hurtful things.
I'm paraphrasing him after a crazy Muslim terrorist tried to
attack a Jewish school. He said, hurt people do hurtful things.
(28:28):
Like that's the response to a terrorist trying to kill
Jews in Southeast Michigan. People remember Jewish voters in particular,
It's gonna be an interesting decision for them. So Clay,
if you recall we had some discussions here on the
program after October seventh, and you were thinking, or you
were making the case that there would be a Now
we can get into what's the definition of major, but
(28:50):
a major shift in the Jewish vote once October seventh happened,
and they saw that all of the people who were
either cheering it or downplaying how horrible it was publicly
or on the left and Democrats, without nobody on the right.
After October seventh, not a single person of any significance
anywhere in politics and media was saying, oh, Israel got
(29:10):
what it deserved, or oh, it wasn't that bad or whatever. Right,
this is the result of the oppression of the Palestinians.
It was all Democrats, all the left. The difference in
the Jewish vote from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four
was about three percentage points. Yeah, and I told you
they weren't going to switch, even though because I grew
(29:30):
up in New York, and I know it's funny, I
grew up in New York surrounded with a very i mean,
the largest Jewish population anywhere in the country, and right
wing Jews and I always saw eye to eye on everything,
and the left wing Jews. I was always like, what
do you guys? But they're very you know, there are
their issues. They will stay with those issues, and it's
(29:51):
more their sort of Marxist leftist leaning is more important
to them because they tend to be also less religious
than their Jewish In many cases, the politics overrides their
identity as Jews.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Let me just make a little bit of a distinction
that I think does matter, and I think I'm going
to now put myself into the mind of a Jewish
Democrat voter. Kamala is married to a Jewish lawyer. I
think she could nod to Jewish people and say I
am one of you. They all knew that she had
married a Jewish lawyer, and so the chirping out there.
(30:30):
If you're eighty five year old Jewish woman, you could
think to yourself, okay, but there's crazy people in the party.
But Kamala married a Jewish man. She's with us. I
do think it's going to be harder to say to
the average Jewish voter. Abdul El sayed, who will play
a couple of these cuts for you, who refuse to
(30:51):
condemn a synagogue attack and who has said that Israel
is an apartheid country. I think it's harder to distinct
wish to be like, well, he's married to a Jewish person.
I'm telling you, I know I know these people well
and grew up meeting these the left wing Jews, I
knew them well.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I grew up around them. I lived in New York
for almost forty years. Think of it like the Bernie
like the Bernie Sanders Jews. Bernie Sanders, Right, there's the
uh you know, there's the conservative Jews. You know, there's
your there's your Dave, Dave Ruben, Ben Shapiro, you know,
all these right wing Jews that are friends of ours,
and we know Mark Levin and all these and we
(31:32):
agree with them on all this stuff, right, we agree
with them on the constitution of the country, the public,
all this stuff. Then you have these left wing Jews
who are like the Bernie Sanders Jews. I'm talking I'm
not talking about the Centrists who are I'm talking about
the left wing Jews. Bernie Sanders is gonna say vote
for Abduel al sayet. He already is already said it. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. He's already given them the all clear.
So he's saying vote for Abduel al Sayed, and I'm
(31:54):
telling you the Jewish Democrats in Michigan are going to
be fine with it. So I don't think that that's
going to be If you're looking at who's going to
make the difference in Michigan, white working class voters, I
meant Abdul I'm confident of that well, but that that
would be great news. But I'm just saying that's who's
(32:15):
I'm worried that they're going to get caught up clay
when I say they again, Guys, please don't say I'm
I'm a truck driver in Michigan and I listen to
you guys every day, and I know this is all
garbage they're peddling. Yeah, you know because you listen to
us talking about what you're right by the way. It's
going to be a super tight race. It's going to
be a very it's going to be with single digit
percentage points between Abdul say Ed and Mike Rodgers. Mike
(32:35):
will be with us in a little bit. Within that,
you're slicing the onion very thin to know who the
difference maker is. I think it's going to be people
concerned about cost of living. That's what I think is
really going to be the difference, not some deep ideological divide.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
My concern is turnout Oakland. The reason why I appointed Jewish voters.
Typically whoever wins Oakland County, that's the more wealthy county
north of Wayne County in Detroit, usually ends up winning
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Welcome back in Clay and Buck.
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We're gonna come back and I promise we're gonna make
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Men who identify as women, we are going to try
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(35:09):
some people on the left, including a Minneapolis news anchor
who delivered a stern dressing down of me on Minneapolis television.
And you are going to really enjoy this seeing the
video is even better. So we will play with that
in a minute. Well, we got to put it up
at Clay and Bush everybod because the video is Clay
(35:30):
feels very chasing. I'm gonna tell you, Clay feels chastened
by the whole thing. And you know what, it's funny.
I was watching that video and I just thought to myself,
one of the most amazing things about making an argument
publicly is you think we were talking about this off air.
Who were the best people who could respond to your
(35:52):
public argument? What arguments could they make? I think about
this all the time. The counter argument, the counter punch,
if you're a boxer, is often more astating than the
actual punch. And this woman is legitimately I think the
person I would pick to attack me if I had
to pick someone to attack me. So you guys will
(36:12):
love this. I promise it's gonna be a lot of
fun and we will also again newly selected elected Republican
Senate candidate Mike Rogers' schedule to join us. And this
doesn't happen very often. Buck, one of my friends growing
up is running for Congress, and we'll find out if
he gets in tomorrow, he's going to join us. I've
(36:34):
known him legitimately my entire life, so you can ask
him if he's got any embarrassing stories he wants to
share about me from when.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
We were little kids. Oh no, we're definitely gonna do that.
That's coming up a lot of fun next two hours.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Any with us,
Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Wednesday edition of Clay and Fuck kicks off right now.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Oh boy, what a show, What a day.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Michigan's mom Donnie wins the Democrat Senate primary. Al Sayed
fellow Abdul al Sayed is victorious against his challenger, Haley Stevens, and.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We will have that discussion. We'll talk about what this means.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
There's some other primary results that are certainly worth us
spending some time on. And mister Clay Travis is continuing
to make the rounds on media elsewhere as his ten
million dollar WNBA franchise expansion challenge is catching fire. And
(00:55):
some people very upset, very upset at the observation of
reality that men are better than women at roughly equivalent levels,
meaning college to professional or maybe even high school professional
in a lot of different sports. This is controversial, even
though that is the basis of why we have men's
and women's sports separated. Right, we don't have a men's
(01:17):
and women's SAT, but we do have a men's and
women's basketball team and league, etc. There are reasons for this.
There are reasons for this. We shall discuss that. Yes, sir,
there you Clay. If you're not on YouTube. You're missing
out because he's wearing a blazer today, which means he's
probably doing some mover and shaker stuff. Were you just
hanging out with the CEO of Goldman?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
What's going on here?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Apologies for being like thirty seconds late. I was on
with Piers Morgan. Things got heated are here, as things
often do with the debate over men and women's sports.
They actually had a guy on the show who was
refused using Peers. I give Peers really does do a
(02:02):
good job of questioning, and he got a left winger
on there and he said, hey, would you acknowledge that
steroids are, for instance, an issue? And the guy kept saying, well,
I don't care at all about men and women's sports.
I think this is a huge distraction. There's nothing to it.
And Peers got him to admit that he cared about
steroids and cheating in baseball in the Olympics. He said,
(02:24):
wait a minute, why do you care about fairness in
competition as it pertains to that, but you will not
acknowledge any issues in men and women's sports. But it
was the very end of the show, so this went
over ran. Paul was on as a guest and so
I legitimately sprinted over here. Thank you for bringing us
in right off the top. But if you're watching on YouTube,
(02:48):
I got to adjust my chair here in a minute too.
But if you're watching on YouTube, you are getting to
see me in a sports coat and a button down,
which I rarely wear on this program. But a couple
of other things you just hit off right off the top.
The biggest I would say this is effectively in many
ways in earthquake because Abdul l Sayed won this Michigan
(03:13):
Democrat Senate primary, but buck he only won it by
around one point. Hailey Stevens only lost this primary by
about fifteen thousand votes. And it's another huge polling era
error in the polling era of failure that continues. And
(03:33):
now Mike Rogers is going to be going head to
head against Abdul Lsayad in Michigan and this may well
decide the United States Senate control because I think Mike
Rogers is going to beat him.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I really do. Well.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I would also like you to know everyone that the
timing is fortuitous. I believe we have Mike Rodgers joining
us today on the program Play the Check Yes with
us about this very important Senate race, which, of course,
people are going to look at any swing state like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia,
(04:07):
look at these places and the election results and extrapolate,
rightly or wrongly, what this means for the big twenty
twenty eight election. And I'm not trying to freak any
of you out, but Clay and I have already been
mentally preparing ourselves for this. The president next presidential election
cycle basically starts in January and we are in August,
(04:31):
meaning that this is going to be a big This
is going to be a thing, my friends. There's going
to be a battle royale among the Democrats. We're going
to see something happen. Who is the heir apparent for
Maga seem to be the vice president, but some people
think maybe they's something else afoot. We'll get into all this,
So Clay, just a brief over. I want to dial
into the al Sai Ed thing too, who has let
(04:53):
everybody know that his Instagram algorithm is very focused on
OnlyFans models, which we can play that clip. I'm gonna
tell you something. Don't tell your wife, everybody, don't tell
your wife. My Instagram is just all these only things
models in the algorithm don't don't do that.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
This is gonna be a rare situation where you will
hear me defend abdul Lsayd. That is probably a sign
that he is looking at a lot of pretty girls
on Instagram. I gotta be honest with you. I the
every time somebody comes out and I think I've said
it before too, like my Instagram algorithm, Buck, this is
(05:30):
not gonna shock you.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It is all like sports, and I know where it is.
It's sports.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I like if I go, if I go into the algorithm,
I'm just being honest with everybody. Sports and pretty girls. Now,
what I actually think is the most crazy thing about
this Instagram algorithm in general. I don't know if we've
talked about this on the program. The AI fake pretty
girls are now starting to wipe out the actual pretty
girls on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
It's to the point now where I see a pretty girl,
I can't even tell if it's a real person or
if it's just an AI bot creation of a pretty girl,
which is now funny. The competition for pretty girls is
not other pretty girls primarily on Instagram influencing. It's whether
it's actually a real person or not again, not coming
(06:16):
down hard on this one wan or the other.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I'm just saying, guys, don't announce for no reason that
your Instagram algorithm is just beautiful women in lingerie, because
you know your wife or your girlfriend doesn't really need
to hear that. But back to the election results. Here
we'll talk about mister al say it and what this means.
I'll give you a little preview. I think Clay and
I are gonna as often happens, we never do this beforehand.
(06:39):
I think it's just because while we agree on a lot,
we have just somewhat different dispositions and perspectives on the
world around us. I think he thinks I'll say at
his toast against Mike Rogers and I am worried.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Well, I am concerned. Here's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, I don't want to do this right now, but
go ahead, go ahead, We've got a home.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I don't know that I would say host.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
This is going to be a super close race, right
I mean Michigan, we said yesterday a Senate candidate from
the Republican side has not won in Michigan since the
nineteen nineties. Who's a Republican? So this is gonna be
a tough battleground race, but I am very optimistic, very optimistic.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
You saw, like my dad calling who's gonna win the
football game? Sun.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
It's clearly gonna be the Giants, but I mean maybe
the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Okay, you know, having a little tide down to two
points one way or the other, it's gonna be fifty
one forty nine one way or the other.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I think, so let's we're gonna we're gonna dive into that.
Certainly some more and what this means, but I just, Clay,
I want to set the table a bit with what
we are seeing right now and in this primary and
what's going on. Five states held primaries yesterday, Okay, Kansas, Michigan, Missouri, Virginia,
and Washington. By far, the one that's getting the most
(07:53):
attentions we've already discussed is the very narrow defeat of
Hailey Stevens by I'll abdu al sayed. So it was
a one percentage point difference, fifteen thousand votes over a
million casts.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
The Democrats, well, the other races are not really I'm
trying to skip.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Through to just the ones that we care about. Rep.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
John James who is Trump backed, is now facing off
against Benson for the governor's race in Michigan, so that
will be interesting as well. As you've got a governor's
race with some with a Trump backed candidate on the
Republican side who's got a real shot. You've got Kansas
(08:35):
governor's race. There nothing that's really getting that much attention.
And you know, the Washington has a top two primary system,
so we'd have to spend more time on that. But
the broadest takeaway here, Clay, I think is you've still
you have this continued rise of far left candidates within
the Democrat Party. There is clearly a trend here. The
(08:59):
trend is not definitive, but the trend is real and
I don't see it slowing down anytime soon.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Well, I think what it represents, and this is the
analogy that I would draw. I think what it represents
is in twenty twenty two, there was such frustration with
Joe Biden and the way that the twenty twenty election
went and COVID and everything else that I said, I
expected there to be a red tsunami, and you got
(09:28):
it a little bit in New York, and you got
it a little bit in Florida and the House did flip.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
But this we got a big time in Florida. It
just didn't wash around the rest of the country.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
But to correct, and the reason why it didn't ultimately
wash around the rest of the country was Democrats had
been strategic and they had helped to elevate the further
right candidate in all of the Republican primaries. They were
actually out there buying ads to support right wing candidates.
And so as all of this played out, I think
(09:59):
in a very significant way, Republicans overreached in twenty twenty two,
and that cost us in a bunch of otherwise close environments,
and we didn't get the same result in Florida and
New York on the East Coast that we got in
much of the rest of the country as a result,
and frankly, a lot of those twenty twenty two races,
you go back and look, incumbent's basically won everywhere, and
(10:23):
Democrats won a lot of really close races that came
down to the very fine margin. And so as a
part of all of this, I think that what you
may see is Democrats angry, frustrated, furious over twenty twenty four.
In Trump and so they're actually going with the farthest
left wing candidate, which may not pay play very well
(10:43):
at all buck in the general elections.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
So one thing. A couple of other names that come
up here. Donovan McKinney, Clay Michigan's thirteenth congressional district. He
defeated incumbent shri Thanadar, who might be like, who is
that guy? If you see him, if you see a
clip of him, you'll be like, oh, that guy. He
(11:06):
has had some viral clips in the past, but this
is a DSA endorsed guy. Donovan McKinney was a Democratic
Socialist endorse candidate, so he's now probably gonna gonna win
that seat. I know, it's just one congressional sheet seat.
Rashieta Talib easily won. She smoked her competitor. So anyone thinks,
oh the squad, the squad is not over. The squad
(11:27):
is still thriving. And then in the state legislative races
of Michigan, Kansas and Missouri and Washington, you had a
number of explicitly DSA. Now I understand that's just if
you don't live in those states, you're like, they don't
really affect me. But it's a little bit of the
farm team for congressional seats, right, that's the that's the
the JV before the varsity of the national level. And
(11:49):
you had a whole bunch of Chris Gilmour, Isaiah Harris,
Jimmy Lapp, Sean Scott, Jalen Scott. You had a whole
bunch of people who are DSA endorsed who won. Now
they have to continue to win. This is just a primary.
But you know you're not seeing Democrats walk with from
the DSA thing and play. You got Bernie Sanders out
there saying things like, oh, we can't judge you know, right,
(12:14):
I mean left, sorry, not right wing, far left streamer
Hassan Piker by saying America deserved nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
He belongs in the party.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
He belongs in the party more than James Carville. This
is what you're hearing from people who are very prominent
voices among Democrats. So they're making plenty of room for
the ultra progressive commy maniacs.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, and look, I think in Wisconsin, I think Republicans
have a really good chance of winning the governor's race there.
In fact, Republicans are favored to win because it looks
like they're going to nominate Francesca Hong. Now to be
fair in the markets out there, Michigan is still favored
to vote for Abdul Lsied, but I light it out yesterday.
(12:58):
I think he's got major issue with Jewish voters. You
mentioned John James, who's going to be on the program
again soon, the Republican nominee for governor in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
He's a black guy.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Why does that matter, you might say, Well, El Sayed
has got issues with black voters. They overwhelmingly voted for
Hailey Stevens. Now, maybe some of those guys and gals
are going to come back into the big tent now
that Lsayed is there. But I think he's going to
struggle in the Detroit area and Buck. I'll just say,
I know the state of Michigan really, really well. Everyone
(13:32):
who lives remotely in a rural place, there are still
some old school Democrats in many of these rural locations. Man,
they are not going to show up and vote for
Abdul l Sayed. And these are I'm not talking about
the diehard, died in the wool political people. I'm talking
about just your regular, hardworking people. Out there in Michigan.
(13:54):
I think they're going to show up and they're going
to vote for Mike Rodgers. Now, it's going to be
close because Michigan is a fifty to fifty state, and
we know they could run big Bird and he would
get forty eight percent of the election vote right now
in Michigan because Democrats show up and support Democrats no
matter who is actually on the ballot. But I am
very optimistic that Mike Rodgers can win. We will ask
(14:16):
him about all this at two pm Eastern when he
is going to be on the program with us.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I almost I feel like I can't really argue.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
With Clay effectively right now because when he's wearing a
sport jacket, he's so much more authority. You know, usually
he's wearing sand old T shirits. So this is why
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and Buck. In addition to the Michigan primary results that
have come out, UH, the ongoing discussion surrounding abdul Lsayad
is going to be super intriguing, if only for this reason, Buck.
This guy is crazy left wing and the turnout didn't
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actually end up being that huge in Dearborn. I wonder
how many people in Michigan are really going to respond
very well to him saying that he didn't want to
celebrate the Ayatola of Iran being killed. Which can we
pull that audio again? Because I believe it was leaked.
I know we talked about it back then because there
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were too many people that were upset that we're going
to be voting for him. Like this is pretty radical
when a terrorist gets killed and the Democrat candidate says, hey,
there's too many people that are going to be upset,
so we shouldn't talk about this. I just think that's
going to be a hard putt to sink in Michigan.
I would like to come back here and explain, Clay.
I think I have insight into the incredible political strategy
(17:53):
Democrats are going to use for Abduel.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I'll say, ed, I think I know their playbook. Let's
come back and talk about it here. Not fun in
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country with this primary that just happened. I know it's
just a primary, but it's also almost mid August or
soon to be mid August, and we'll take whatever political
stories come our way from them, where the things are
going for the midterm or how things are looking at
this stage.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Also play Travis all over the.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Place, some people loving, some people not so much loving
his ten million dollar offer of the Boys sports team
beating the women's WNBA.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Was it the champions, the women's champions champions.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Right, Although if they wanted to put the all star
team out on the court, I would have the same outcome.
They could pick the twelve best and put them onto
a team to compete, and it would be the same outcome.
And honestly, I think I could probably take it to
eighth grade boys because I think the best team it
would have to be the best team of eighth grade boys.
But I think a really talented eighth grade boys team
(19:54):
would demolish the best WNBA players.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Now, I went to a high school that in the
third like division of the New York City Catholic School League,
so we were like the C level I believe for basketball,
the A level had would actually produce people who like
went on to the NBA. You know, there's like a
number of NBA players that have played in that New
(20:18):
York City Catholic school. Some of them have a couple
thousand students are really big. I just bring it up
because there were ninth graders who could throw it down,
Like there were ninth graders who in ninth and tenth
graders who were dunking.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
And to me. That was just like I was like, wow,
oh that's.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Pretty I mean, look, as soon as testosterone hits your
and any of you who've raised a boy know what
I'm talking about. Your kid goes from a little boy
to a young man almost overnight. Voice changes, They can
suddenly jump a lot higher, they got armpit hair, they
got a mustache growing. It's a it's a different species
(20:53):
in many ways.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
So we got this. I'll duel. I'll say that guy.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I want to return to this team throughout because it
comes up in a few context Clay the very complicated
political strategy the Democrats are going to deploy for this midterm.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Uh. And the short version is they're going to lie.
They're going to.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Lie about what these candidates believe leading up to the election,
what they've said in the past, what observable reality is
about the policies that they support. I give a shout
out here to my friend Michael Malice who, in response
to Steve Hilton responding to a former Transportation secretary Buddha Judge,
(21:37):
Buddha Judge, and we'll pull this cluib. Butera Judge is
out there on some podcast, one of the big one
of the sort of big you know, long form podcasts.
He's out there talking about how we just need to
raise taxes to build trains. Steve Hilton, our friend who
is running a very very solid and serious campaign for
the governor of California, responds to Buddha Judge. Of course
(21:59):
that's real. That's not true. We've spent two hundred billion
dollars or something in California and have like a couple
miles I think, no, not one mile of track laid.
That was the exchange. But then Michael Malice chimes in online.
He's a very smart guy and an unusual and interesting thinker.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
He says, no, he knows.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Bututera Judge knows that he's lying, and I actually think
we need to be We need to understand that. That
doesn't mean that what Steve Hilton is doing is not necessary. Yeah,
of course point out the incorrect thing. But don't think
that the Democrats are surprised when you point out what
they're saying isn't true. The whole point is that they're lying,
(22:39):
and this al say, ed guy, They're going to say,
Clay whatever they have to say as this as this
gets closer, I mean, here, here's an example. Here's Abdullah
al Sayed, saying that ICE is really bad.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
We need to get rid of ice. Play ten here.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Ice has nothing to do with the southern border. That's
customs and border protection. I believe in a secure border.
I also believe in immigration enforcement. Believe it not shooting
Americans in the back of the head in the face
while I'm trying to do it. And maybe it's because
I've served in government agencies. But once a government agency
like that is told that has impunity to do the
worst things and violate the highest law of the land,
which is the Constitution itself, I don't think you can
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reform or retrain that.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I think we need to start from scratch. And ICE
is not very old.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
It's it's fifteen years younger than I am it was
starting it started.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
It was a bad experiment.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
It's been weaponized to do the worst things, and I
think we need to abolish it and start from scratch,
perhaps going back to something like the ions, which for
a very long time, very capably enforced immigration policy without
of course shooting Americans and violating our civil liberties.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Now, there's a lot of problems with what he says.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
First of all, we didn't have ten million people plus
just flooding the country in a fore and we've gone
through completely unprecedented open borders thanks to the Biden administration,
which even a lot of Biden people have basically admitted
at this point. Clay, but here he's saying, that's abolishized.
That's what this guy has been saying. As the election
gets closer in Michigan. Don't be surprised. On CNN. They're
(24:00):
giving them the opportunity to be like, you really mean reform, right,
And he's like, yes, I'm calling for the reform of
ICE because I believe in borders.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
They're just gonna lie a lot, yes, and they're actually
going to be encouraged to lie. Look, I think Bacari
Sellers is a moron. He's a CNN analyst. He's come
after me on men and women's sports before he tweeted yesterday.
Can someone close to Francesca Hong just advise her to
(24:30):
focus on grassroots activities in Wisconsin. No more national media interviews.
Just put a lid on that. Why because she's going
to say what she actually believes and get questioned about it.
And if they can hide her from the media and
just have her doing grass reachs events without aggressive questioning,
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then they can pretend she isn't a radical. And they
will now pretend that Abdul el Sayed is not in
any way a radical, even though the evidence overwhelmingly shows
that he is insanely radical. In fact, we've got a
clip here at the end that I wanted to play.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Did you play cut ten?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Is that the one you just played a lot of
what he is saying. In fact, when we can get
this ad, let's see if it's not in yet. I
just sent it to producer Greg. The National Republican Senate
Committee is already running an ad that is up on
the air right now. I texted early on in this campaign,
(25:40):
I tweeted that the best thing that could happen for
Michigan Republicans was Abdul l Sayed ending up the nominee,
and people got mad at me. In fact, the Michigan
I even said that Michigan Republicans should consider go to
vote for Abdul l Sayed. This came down to about
fifteen thousand votes. He basically only won because of how
(26:02):
well he did in the University of Michigan and Michigan
State University campus votes.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Can I give you one person who agrees with you,
very very strongly, beautifully agrees brilliant Klay Travis.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
But you know that better than anybody, Clay.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Great news for the Republican Party, Trump writes. Al Sayed,
a communist loser who hates Jews and Israel, is the
projected winner in this race with the socialist. As usual,
the polls were way off on this one. She was
not expected to do nearly as well as she did.
Now the Democrats crazy policies will only get worse. So
(26:41):
Trump sees this very much the way you see this.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yes, and he's right. And look, this is going to be.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
A race that if if Republicans can win Michigan that
flips a Democrat seat, there is no math by which
the the Senate would be in.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Control or in danger.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
And so I think this is going to be really
significant going forward. The money that is going to pour
in is going to be incredibly impactful. And buck this
will also matter in the governor's race. Again, I don't
know if very many people are talking about this. I
think having John James, who is a great candidate, already
(27:23):
been elected in Congress, him campaigning as a black guy
alongside of Mike Rogers when Abdul Elsayad has been struggling
immensely with black voters in Michigan. I think that's going
to help. I do think that that's going to send
a message of who the normal candidate is.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
And do you think John James is going to be
able to take away from the expected black vote for
the Democrat in that race? Because I remember now it
doesn't take very much the same thing that I would
say about Jewish voters. We got a lot of people
that are listening to us that might not have been
traditional voter. This guy refused to condemn after the attack
(28:05):
in Southeast Michigan in Oakland County. I know everybody just
immediately forgot about it because the guy who was trying
to attack got shot. He said, hurt people do hurtful things.
I'm paraphrasing him after a crazy Muslim terrorist tried to
attack a Jewish school. He said, hurt people do hurtful things.
(28:28):
Like that's the response to a terrorist trying to kill
Jews in Southeast Michigan. People remember Jewish voters in particular,
It's gonna be an interesting decision for them. So Clay,
if you recall we had some discussions here on the
program after October seventh, and you were thinking, or you
were making the case that there would be a Now
we can get into what's the definition of major, but
(28:50):
a major shift in the Jewish vote once October seventh happened,
and they saw that all of the people who were
either cheering it or downplaying how horrible it was publicly
or on the left and Democrats, without nobody on the right.
After October seventh, not a single person of any significance
anywhere in politics and media was saying, oh, Israel got
(29:10):
what it deserved, or oh, it wasn't that bad or whatever. Right,
this is the result of the oppression of the Palestinians.
It was all Democrats, all the left. The difference in
the Jewish vote from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four
was about three percentage points. Yeah, and I told you
they weren't going to switch, even though because I grew
(29:30):
up in New York, and I know it's funny, I
grew up in New York surrounded with a very i mean,
the largest Jewish population anywhere in the country, and right
wing Jews and I always saw eye to eye on everything,
and the left wing Jews. I was always like, what
do you guys? But they're very you know, there are
their issues. They will stay with those issues, and it's
(29:51):
more their sort of Marxist leftist leaning is more important
to them because they tend to be also less religious
than their Jewish In many cases, the politics overrides their
identity as Jews.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Let me just make a little bit of a distinction
that I think does matter, and I think I'm going
to now put myself into the mind of a Jewish
Democrat voter. Kamala is married to a Jewish lawyer. I
think she could nod to Jewish people and say I
am one of you. They all knew that she had
married a Jewish lawyer, and so the chirping out there.
(30:30):
If you're eighty five year old Jewish woman, you could
think to yourself, okay, but there's crazy people in the party.
But Kamala married a Jewish man. She's with us. I
do think it's going to be harder to say to
the average Jewish voter. Abdul El sayed, who will play
a couple of these cuts for you, who refuse to
(30:51):
condemn a synagogue attack and who has said that Israel
is an apartheid country. I think it's harder to distinct
wish to be like, well, he's married to a Jewish person.
I'm telling you, I know I know these people well
and grew up meeting these the left wing Jews, I
knew them well.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I grew up around them. I lived in New York
for almost forty years. Think of it like the Bernie
like the Bernie Sanders Jews. Bernie Sanders, Right, there's the
uh you know, there's the conservative Jews. You know, there's
your there's your Dave, Dave Ruben, Ben Shapiro, you know,
all these right wing Jews that are friends of ours,
and we know Mark Levin and all these and we
(31:32):
agree with them on all this stuff, right, we agree
with them on the constitution of the country, the public,
all this stuff. Then you have these left wing Jews
who are like the Bernie Sanders Jews. I'm talking I'm
not talking about the Centrists who are I'm talking about
the left wing Jews. Bernie Sanders is gonna say vote
for Abduel al sayet. He already is already said it. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. He's already given them the all clear.
So he's saying vote for Abduel al Sayed, and I'm
(31:54):
telling you the Jewish Democrats in Michigan are going to
be fine with it. So I don't think that that's
going to be If you're looking at who's going to
make the difference in Michigan, white working class voters, I
meant Abdul I'm confident of that well, but that that
would be great news. But I'm just saying that's who's
(32:15):
I'm worried that they're going to get caught up clay
when I say they again, Guys, please don't say I'm
I'm a truck driver in Michigan and I listen to
you guys every day, and I know this is all
garbage they're peddling. Yeah, you know because you listen to
us talking about what you're right by the way. It's
going to be a super tight race. It's going to
be a very it's going to be with single digit
percentage points between Abdul say Ed and Mike Rodgers. Mike
(32:35):
will be with us in a little bit. Within that,
you're slicing the onion very thin to know who the
difference maker is. I think it's going to be people
concerned about cost of living. That's what I think is
really going to be the difference, not some deep ideological divide.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
My concern is turnout Oakland. The reason why I appointed Jewish voters.
Typically whoever wins Oakland County, that's the more wealthy county
north of Wayne County in Detroit, usually ends up winning
the state. And a lot of Jewish voters are there.
But turnout would be my biggest concern. Let me tell you.
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My also concern is that you don't have enough testosterone
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I told my wife, she said, are you really competing
with your fifteen year old son. I said, yes, he
can't be the strongest man in the house at fifteen
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Welcome back in Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
We're gonna come back and I promise we're gonna make
you laugh because we got a bunch of different audio
clips of people being upset about me trying to put
together the most inclusive trans women's basketball team of all time.
Men who identify as women, we are going to try
to have our own WNBA franchise, and that has upset
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some people on the left, including a Minneapolis news anchor
who delivered a stern dressing down of me on Minneapolis television.
And you are going to really enjoy this seeing the
video is even better. So we will play with that
in a minute. Well, we got to put it up
at Clay and Bush everybod because the video is Clay
(35:30):
feels very chasing. I'm gonna tell you, Clay feels chastened
by the whole thing. And you know what, it's funny.
I was watching that video and I just thought to myself,
one of the most amazing things about making an argument
publicly is you think we were talking about this off air.
Who were the best people who could respond to your
(35:52):
public argument? What arguments could they make? I think about
this all the time. The counter argument, the counter punch,
if you're a boxer, is often more astating than the
actual punch. And this woman is legitimately I think the
person I would pick to attack me if I had
to pick someone to attack me. So you guys will
(36:12):
love this. I promise it's gonna be a lot of
fun and we will also again newly selected elected Republican
Senate candidate Mike Rogers' schedule to join us. And this
doesn't happen very often. Buck, one of my friends growing
up is running for Congress, and we'll find out if
he gets in tomorrow, he's going to join us. I've
(36:34):
known him legitimately my entire life, so you can ask
him if he's got any embarrassing stories he wants to
share about me from when.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
We were little kids. Oh no, we're definitely gonna do that.
That's coming up a lot of fun next two hours.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
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