July 8, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show was dominated by escalating tensions with Iran, President Donald Trump’s comments from the NATO summit in Turkey, questions about the future of U.S.-Iran relations, Middle East security, energy markets, and the strategic implications of continued military action. The hosts also touched on the Charlie Kirk assassination case, NATO defense spending, global geopolitics, cultural commentary, and entertainment news. Throughout the hour, the central theme was whether the United States is moving away from negotiation and toward a more sustained military pressure campaign against Iran.
A major focus of Hour 1 was President Trump’s appearance in Ankara, Turkey, where he addressed NATO allies and discussed a range of international issues. The hosts highlighted Trump’s emphasis on increased defense spending among NATO members, praising efforts to raise spending targets from 2% to 5% of GDP. Trump argued that NATO allies are contributing significantly more to collective defense and repeatedly stressed the strength of the U.S. military and the global demand for American-made defense systems. Clay and Buck analyzed Trump’s comments as evidence that his administration continues to prioritize burden-sharing among allies while projecting military strength abroad.
The largest portion of the hour examined the rapidly deteriorating situation with Iran. The hosts discussed ongoing U.S. strikes, recent Iranian actions in and around the Strait of Hormuz, and Trump’s increasingly hostile rhetoric toward the Iranian regime. Clay and Buck played multiple clips of Trump describing Iranian leaders as untrustworthy, arguing that they repeatedly agree to negotiation terms only to repudiate them publicly afterward. The hosts interpreted Trump’s remarks as a sign that he has largely lost confidence in diplomatic solutions and increasingly views the regime as incapable of acting in good faith.
Trump’s comments about additional military operations received significant attention. The hosts discussed Trump’s indication that further strikes were likely and examined whether the administration is transitioning from negotiation efforts to a long-term strategy of military deterrence and pressure. Buck argued that Iran’s leadership has demonstrated repeatedly that it cannot be trusted to honor agreements, while Clay suggested that ongoing attacks may continue until the regime’s ability to threaten regional stability is substantially diminished. The conversation revolved around military strategy, deterrence, regime behavior, and the limits of diplomacy with authoritarian governments.
The hosts also explored the geopolitical importance of the Strait of Hormuz and its impact on global energy markets. Clay noted that disruptions to shipping traffic and regional instability are already prompting long-term adjustments in how energy producers and consumers think about supply routes. They argued that Iran may be unintentionally reducing its own strategic importance by encouraging nations and companies to seek alternatives to dependence on the strait. The discussion included analysis of oil prices, gas prices, energy infrastructure, shipping security, and the economic consequences of Middle East instability.
Another significant topic involved internal divisions within the Iranian regime. Clay argued that there appears to be growing tension between more pragmatic Iranian officials who may favor economic normalization and hardline elements of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. The hosts discussed reports suggesting that hardliners continue to undermine diplomatic efforts by pursuing more aggressive actions. They questioned whether there remains a credible negotiating partner within the Iranian government and debated whether continued leadership changes or military pressure could alter the country’s strategic direction.
The possibility of more dramatic U.S. action against Iran was also examined. Trump’s references to potentially taking control of Kharg Island, Iran’s most important oil export hub, became a major talking point. Clay and Buck analyzed the implications of such a move, noting that it could dramatically alter Iran’s economic position while giving the United States leverage over the regime’s primary source of revenue. The hosts framed the issue as part of a broader game-theory calculation involving deterrence, escalation, economic pressure, and military strategy.
The program briefly revisited the Charlie Kirk assassination case, with Buck noting that new evidence continues to emerge from court proceedings involving the accused gunman. The hosts previewed further discussion later in the show, emphasizing their commitment to evaluating evidence, testimony, and documented facts as the legal process unfolds.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to Clay and Buck. A busy, busy news
day unfolding, and we are here to make sense of
it all, bring you the latest. As of course, we
are live with you all across America and in some
cases around the world. We've got a whole situation once
again with Iran. We have strikes, a lot of strikes,
(00:23):
and the Iranians fighting back. Is this the end of
the MoU We have Trump speaking about that this morning,
the memorandum of understanding gas prices play unfortunately going up
a little bit a little bit right now. People are
expressing some concerns about where this is all heading. And
certainly if you listen to Trump's latest from this morning.
(00:45):
By the way, the latest from this morning might be
shortly superseded by Trump speaking in Ankara, Turkey, the capital
of Turkey, for those who are wondering, and we will.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
You know, it's a good I would not I don't
think I would have got in the capital of Turkey.
I don't think I would have gotten that one.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, the CIA taught me some things, and I think
that we'll hear from Trump shortly covering a whole range
of issues. Now he's there to speak about NATO. He
also had some harsh words for Spain. Is this maybe
clay for d Chess to throw them a bit before
their big World Cup game coming up? I don't know,
because he said the nation of Spain, we don't want
(01:25):
to trade with them anymore, and that they're not pulling
their way to NATO. Maybe he's throwing a little brushback
pitch for World Cup purposes. I don't know. It could be.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It would feel a lot better if the brushback pitch
were in favor of our men's soccer team and we
hadn't been obliterated by Belgium, the team that is going
to be playing Spain.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, but sometimes you just want to be a hater,
So we have that to work through. We also, by
the way, have more details from the trial of the
alleged Charlie Kirk assassin. The early stages here underway have
really preliminary hearings, and we'll see where that goes. But
(02:05):
we've also got a lot of presented in a court,
sworn evidence, testimony, facts, real things. We are a fact
based show. We are a reality based show. We will
present you with what is true, what is verified, what
is sworn by many many people, who are in either
(02:29):
law enforcement or Oh guys, we have Trump speaking right now,
do we wanted to? I think we need to take
it live. He's a leader of the free world. He's
in Turkey right now. Let's hear what the presence also,
by the way, say this.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
We are also trying to stream this live on our
video feed at Clay and Buck on YouTube. We will
see if it works or not. Fingers crossed, but you
should definitely get the audio.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Well. When you look at around, essentially demolished their military
and a couple of weeks they had a good military,
good navy. That one hundred and fifty nine ships. Everyone's
at the bottom of the seat. They had hundreds of airplanes.
They're all gone, the road lying burned up on the runways.
(03:12):
They were totally decimated. Their radar is gone, everything's gone.
Their leaders are gone rankly, and their combat capability is
pretty low. They have a small percentage of missiles left.
They have some of the launchers of missile launchers left,
call them launching pads, but most of that's been destroyed too.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
So we are.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
We have the strongest military in the world by far,
not even close. Everybody admits last year's summoned in the
Netherlands was great also, and we achieved an unprecedented agreement
to increase the annual defense spending and it's the benchmark,
raising it from two percent to five percent of GDP,
which everybody said was possible. And now they're role thanking me,
(04:01):
and most of the countries have agreed to it. We
have a couple of couple of that didn't, but I
have a feeling they're going to and pretty quickly. In fact,
today they were very positive. One of them in particular,
was I didn't think a good team player. Today was
a great team player. As all of the leaders understand
(04:22):
very well, the United States remains by far the largest
contributor to NATO monetarily and maybe otherwise, and the strongest
military anywhere.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
In the world.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And they respect us as a country again. They didn't
respect us two years ago. They laughed at us, NATO
laughed at us, everybody laughed at us. They don't laugh anymore.
There's no more laughing. This year, we invested a record
one trillion dollars in our armed forces, and we're going
to be asking for a one point five trillion coming up.
(04:57):
We have the money being spent on the best equipment
anywhere in the world. In the working session this morning,
we discussed the progress other members are making toward the
five percent target, and they're making great progress.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Many of these countries are very rich.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
By the way, we'd have to feel sorry for them,
but it doesn't mean they're properly protected.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
It's a big difference.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Some have truly answered the call and others are making
big changes and will be answering the call. I think
I can say in all cases they're going to be
answering the call, and we'll be taking in over tree
million dollars a year toward defense, and that's a tremendous
amount of money. It's a big up. They were two percent,
(05:43):
they were actually a one percent. I got them to
two percent. Then I wanted to get them to five,
and we got up to five the last time. And
they're you know, just again, if you could have seen
the respect and the love in the room, and it's
love really.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
For the country, for our country.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I don't want to say because you'll say, oh, he's
so conceited, he's such a conceited person.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
But they do.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I mean, you know, they they like the job I'm doing.
They said, we love sir, we love you. He's a
grown people saying that it's none nice. Maybe I don't know,
maybe they're trying to get to me and the way
they did because there was tremendous.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Unity in that room.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
And I urge all nations to accelerate their plans to
get the benchmark as quickly as possible. The benchmark is
going to be at five percent number. That's the number
should have been for years. As a result of the
commitment we achieved last year at defense spending of other
NATO members surge by more than almost one hundred and
(06:46):
fifty billion dollars in twenty twenty five, and much of
that money is being spent on American made equipment. They
all want American made equipment, where we're pushing very hard
to have the defense companies they're great.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
We make the best equipment.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
The Patriots and the Tomahawks, and everything we have is considered.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
To be the best, not by me. Everybody wants it.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I wish we made it faster because we could sell
as much as we could make. And as you know,
I had lockeed and every one of the companies, all
of the companies who to Raytheona as an example, Boeing.
So many of those great companies are now building plants.
They had big plants, but they were using them twenty
(07:31):
four to seven. I said, that's not the way to
do it. You have to build more plants. You don't
have to just go overtime. No tax on overtime. Remember
that police, No tax on overtime. Those people are happy,
but they're going. They were doing literally twenty four hours
to get the Tomahawks done and the Patriots done, and
all of the other defensive and offensive equipment done.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
It's the most sought after equipment in the world.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
You saw that with Venezuela, where yeah, they had a
lot of great equipment.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
There wasn't ours and it didn't work.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Our equipment works, but we have to produce it faster
for other countries, for everybody, including ourselves.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
We have to produce it faster.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
So we think within a year, year and a half,
Max will be all right.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
We're going to continue to monitor this NATO, this NATO hearing,
rather NATO press conference, and we will bring you the
highlights of it. Right now, Trump is talking pretty specifically
about the NATO situation. I assume Clay he will get
into what is much more on America's radar right now,
(08:37):
so to speak, which is the situation with Iran. I
know he's he is there to talk about the North
Atlantic Treaty organization and what's going on with Turkey, and
there's an F thirty five deal in the mix and
a whole bunch of things. But the reality right now
(08:57):
is it looks like the negotiations with Iran are well,
there is no deal. There is no deal. There is
a lot of explosions happening in Iran. We're blowing up
a lot of stuff there we have in the last
twenty four hours. And Trump says we're gonna blow up
a lot more and more to the point claim, And
(09:20):
I think this is what really gets to the situation
as it stands now. Trump is essentially telling everybody, look,
they're bad guys, They're bad people. And I hear he
is saying, this has cut seventeen guys. This is at
the NATO summit. He's saying, these are scumbacks play it.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I had a very good talk with President Putin. We
had a long talk yesterday less than a long time.
And I also spoke with President Zelensky right after that.
I think they both want to make a deal.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
It's too bad it took so long.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
But I think there's going to be something's going to
come out, and the President's also helping us with that.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
But I think there's something.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
You know, I settled eight wars, and I think we're
going to be settling a night. It doesn't seem likely now,
but sometimes when with war, I see when it's least likely,
that's when it happens. I had a very good talk
with President Putin, had a very good talk with I
would say is a combination. A lot of times I'd
do well with Putin and Zelinsky would be a probable
or or vice versa. Zelinsky would be great and Putin
(10:22):
would be They both want to get it settled down.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Okay, that's the wrong clip. I want him on the
status of the ceasefire with Iran. Cut seventeen on the
list for Wednesday, July eighth year. Guys, the ceasefire with Iran?
Can we play that please or let me know if
we do not have it, because that is the critical
issue right now. Do we have this cut? Okay, Clay,
(10:50):
you know what we're gonna do. We're gonna tee this
one up and we're gonna come back to it so
everyone can hear. But the long and the short of
it is quote Trump saying, quote to me, I think
it's over. I don't want to deal with them anymore.
They're scum, They're led by sick people. As far as
I'm concerned, it's just a waste of time dealing with them.
(11:11):
We're blowing up their stuff, we're calling them scum. You
can expect the Strait of Horror Mouz to see a
massive cessation of traffic. It already was at about thirty
percent before this Clay what happens now. I think we're
just going to continue to do this. I think your
Modagras strategy is probably accurate. The price of oil and
(11:33):
gas had dropped back below where it was on uh
before we actually had invaded, before we had begun the
war with Iran.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
It hasn't really come back that much. Here's one thing
that I think is going to be significant going forward.
And I don't know that Iran really has thought through this,
because I'm not sure they're actually very good at contemplating
significant economic decisions. Clearly, a lot of people are just
going to stop using the Straight of Horror moves and
(12:05):
there is now going to be I think, a multi
year move against this.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
And so whereas twenty percent of oil.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And gas in some way had been able to transit
the Straight of Horror moves at some point in time,
right now, I think, first of all, a lot of
the backlog has been taken care of. The reports are
that we're getting thirty or sixty ships through, and so
I think that's what has partly what has frustrated the IRGC.
We should dive into this. There's been a lot of
reporting that Iranian leadership is feuding, and what's really going
(12:35):
on is the hardliners in the IRGC are reaching out
and attacking ships, even though the sort of moderate component
of Iran opposes this. But I think long term, Iran
is cutting its own throat because I think the usage
of the Strait of Horror moves is going to continue
to decline. But we'll talk about that a bit more
when we come back. And what the impact is. Price
(12:57):
of oil and gas seventy five dollars got down to
about sixty eight sixty seven, so it's still not much
different than it was in February, and prices, as many
of you have noticed, have come down substantially all over
the country from the highs that were set back in May.
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Speaker 5 (14:18):
Last learn and hang with the guys, Clay and Buck
pre said on the iHeart App, Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
In rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program, President
Trump still speaking in Turkey. A lot of the attention again,
We're following the Charlie Kirk situation, Graham Platner, what's gonna
happen in Maine. But the biggest story out there right
now is the latest on Iran. And Trump has just
(14:45):
said in his talk here and we'll grab this for
you as well. Quote I'm seeing will probably hit them
hard again tonight. So Trump saying that we are going
to hit Iran hard again tonight. This this is what
he said cut seventeen a bit earlier today.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
To me, I think it's over. I don't want to
deal with him anymore. There's scum. You know what scum is.
There's scum. There's sick people. They're lit by sick people,
and they're vicious, violent people. And if they had a
nuclear weapon, they'd use it. As far as I'm concerned,
it's over. I'll speak to our negotiators. They want to negotiate.
They're good people, Steve Woodcuff, Jared Kusher, but they have
to come back to me. As far as I'm concerned,
(15:24):
it's just a waste of time dealing with them.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
They're liars.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
We make a deal, and if I make a deal
with him, we have a deal, and he goes out,
he talks, We make a deal, everyone's agreed, no nuclear weapon.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
We make a deal. They go outside and talk to
the press. They say, we never even talked about it.
There's something wrong with them.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
They're cuckoo.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Far as I'm concerned, it's over.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
They're bad people, and frankly, I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Want to waste my time with him now.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I'll let our wonderful negotiators keep talking if they want.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
But I don't see it. I don't like these people,
you know that.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I mean buck This for President Trump is effectively like
strip Away the geo political implications. Anybody who's ever done
a business deal, Trump sounds like somebody who has decided
the guy that he's been negotiating with can't be trusted,
and he's just done with the negotiation period. That would
not make me feel good if I were Iran. Right now, well,
(16:16):
let me say though I don't think this is posturing
by Trump. I think and Clay, this is what you know.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
My experience of dealing with Midi's crazies before I got
into media was I think informative for my view that
there's no deal. Yeah, no deal to be had. Even
if you have a deal with Iran, they will break
the deal. There's no deal. There's no such thing as
a deal with these people. They will break their word,
(16:45):
they will break their bond, they will lie, they will cheat,
they will steal, they will kill.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
That is it.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
And I'm not saying Trump isn't aware of that. And
maybe you can say he has to go through this
process of trying to do this with them. But now
we are in a situation where and I use the
mod of the grass analogy very early on, it's gonna
be okay, guys, let's have a talk. You don't want
to talk boom boom boom bombing a bunch of things. Okay, guys,
(17:13):
have you had enough yet? No boom boom boom bomb
a bunch of I mean, this is where we are.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I think the question that's now going to become readily
apparent is do we take out more of their leadership.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I don't know that we can. I think their leadership
has learned some lessons from the sucker punch that we
gave them in that massive meeting.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And that may that may well be true that they're
hiding better and it's not as easy to take them out.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But I think that is where the Israelis probably can.
The Israelis can sneak grenades into their cheerios, So you
know there is that.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
So do we take the uh sort of the governor
off of Israeli attacks and say, wipe out whoever else
you want? I mean, that's where I That's what I
get from Trump is like I wouldn't feel good if
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Speaker 1 (18:52):
My name Clay, Welcome back into Clay and fuck. Every
time I hear that song, I gotta tell you the
intro music there. All I can think about is Beverly
Hills cop which, as everybody knows, is one of the
ten best movies of the eighties. And it's just a
great scene, a great intro government tax stamp. You can't
beat that. It's just fantastic. If you haven't seen Beverly
(19:12):
Hills Copper, you haven't rewatched it in a while. Let
me just tell you go back and enjoy. A side note,
we're about to get into Iran and war and peace
and the most important news issues in the world. I
have seen a lot of chatter that this Young Washington
movie which is in theaters is quite good, and they've.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Already announced a sequel. I mean, based on making over
twenty million dollars in week one. Yeah, just fyi and Ali,
isn't this Angel Studios?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Is our man Kevin Sorbo involved in this? Who is this?
We should get somebody on from I think it's an
Angel Studios production. And people are saying it's a great
because Clay our baseline thesis on this kind of the
same way that I said that Twitter starting in twenty eleven,
I'm like, so Twitter is boosting communists and it's a
totally rigged game. People were like, that's the conspiracy theory,
(20:03):
and of course that was true, and we all knew
it was true. Later on all came out. If you
made good movies for the American people, they don't have
to be super expensive. It doesn't have to be The
Transformer seven or Avengers fifteen or Fast and the Furious
thirty five. You can make a movie about a great
story rooted in American history, and just with good writing
(20:26):
and acting, people want to see it. We are not
done with movies. We are not done with great stories.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
And yes, sir, I accidentally hit a button here trying
to post one of our social media clips and it.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Went out like Clay gave me. I thought I thought
he was about to drop like a bomb here on
the air, like, oh guess what, but no, instead, he
actually just unked. He unked the board, which is a
thing that he does. Yes, he unked it. So I
just want to give a shout out to that because
I haven't seen it yet. I want to see it.
I'm not going to see the Odyssey. We'll talk more
about this. I've seen enough in the previews. I've seen
(21:02):
enough in the in the pre game. I don't want
to contribute to this. I'm also not a Christopher Nolan
guy in general. I like the Batman movies. That is it.
I'm not a fan of his other movies. I thought
they were all ponderous, boring, and really self important. So
I'm not a big Christopher Nolan guy period. But this
Odyssey thing, Clay now not gonna do you.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
See the video of Elliott ellen Page coming out in
the suit, Stanton.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Here is a question. I'm just tossing it out there.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Has anyone changed their gender appearance and looked better as
the new gender? Elliott Page looks like what he She is,
a tiny woman pretending to be a man, like a
pre adolescent male. Ellen Page was actually a cute girl,
(21:55):
I just now trying to make him Achilles, like maybe.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I'm not not Achilles, that that was actually that he is.
She is in the movie whatever, sorry, she is in
the movie. But I don't think I don't think as
Achilles as some other role. I'm not sure, okay, but hers.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And I'm probably that, by the way, that would have
tanked the movie, Like that actually would have killed the movie.
I am going to be probably put on some hit list.
Can anyone name a man who has decided to identify
as a woman or a woman who has decided to
identify as a man.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
That works better?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
And by the way, we can almost always tell, right,
Like if there's a picture.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Always in person, always the photos can be deceiving. And
with AI and filters. Now, sure you know, you know
some of you guys out there who are on dating apps,
watch what you're swiping. You don't necessarily know what's going on.
But that's two D. When you get into three D,
I always know, you always know.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I I just I mean I think that that is
a good example. And maybe Ellen Elliott whatever page is
happier now and that's fine. At least this person waited
until adulthood to make the switch, but I remember it
was it Juno, the movie that did she won an
act oscar for I think pretty good movie.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
She was.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
You know why liberals hated that movie because because she
actually had the baby. God God forbid you actually give
life to your child when you're stretched out about it,
because obviously they want everyone to just abort the baby.
It was. It was really really horrific, by the way,
to this day, like, that's the part of dirty dancing
that I'm like, we just kind of that's just sort
of like in the background is we'remen had to have
(23:37):
like a like a you know, oh I didn't even
abortion dirty dancing, and this is a part of dirty
dancing that everyone's like, oh, it's such a sweet movie.
I'm like, no, it's not. Actually, it's actually not such
a sweet movie. But anyway, shall we talk her Ron
Now I've learned to get the movie thing just because
the Washington I love that these YouTubers made this obsession movie.
Apparently it's super violent, so obviously you don't watch that
(23:58):
with your kids. I haven't seen it yet either. There
is that one scene though, that maybe does remind me
of a couple of ex girlfriends. Neither here nor there
where she just goes, you know, in the restaurant. It's
really it's classic. Now, so Obsession has done super well financially,
and I'm just happy to see an independent movie like
that do well. And now this Young Washington movie is
(24:18):
apparently great. Uh, I don't go to Why don't we
have a thing. There should be a portal where I'll
pay movie ticket price for a movie like this to
watch it at home. Why isn't that?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I think it will be on streaming very quickly. It
seems like they go to streaming very fast. But I
think there still is a cachet associated with trying to
get people to go to movie theaters. No, I agree,
but you know, I would be happy to pay the
movie theater like I would buy this movie. Probably be
at all that you don't want to go to movie
theaters and that you would pay whatever it takes to
(24:51):
not have to be surrounded by other people and watch
movies so that you can see it in your home. Buyers,
That does not surprise me.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Judged everybody, I feel like I'm being judged right now,
a little harsh, but yes, that is true. I would
pay thirty bucks to be able to watch it at home.
I'd pay whatever to be able to watch it at home.
So Young Washington, go check it out. And guys, let's
reach out to the team who's behind that movie, because
we should have them on to talk about it. All
right at Iran, Iran, Iran, let's get into it. Trump
(25:19):
talked about how Look, he says, we hit him very
hard yesterday. Obviously easier to do these strikes at night.
We're hitting them again tonight, he says, Play twelve.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
They are behaving very badly, as they have for forty
seven years. And you know, we hit them hard last night.
After they lunch, they lunched a couple of you have
to know about this, you got stuff on your mind.
But they launched a couple of drones and one rocket
one missile at chips because they were in the strait,
which they have every right to be. And so we
hit them very hard last night, very very Probably hit
(25:49):
him hard again tonight.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I'll give him a little warning. We're gonna hit him
hard tonight.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
But we'll see how it all works out. No, I'm
not happy with them. I think we've made a lot
of progress, and they'll get out.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Of the room. We'll talk about it.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
We're here, They'll we are everything, and then they'll go
ahead of his conference and say we never even talked
about it.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
The cuckoo. Is something wrong with these people?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I mean, this is can I just say, Clay, I
have been saying this all along These Iranians. People will say, oh, no,
they're rational actors. Well yeah, I mean sometimes Ted Bundy
was a rational actor, but then there was the bad
stuff that he did, right, I mean, you know there's
they can be rational insofar as they can see their
interests and they but their view of their interests and
(26:31):
what is a good outcome for the region and the
world is dramatically different from ours. They are cuckoo.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, And look, I think one of the big challenges
and we'll play these other cuts too, but I think
one of the big challenges out there is there is
a ration. Based on my reading, there is a rational
element of Iran that once recognizes that economically they have
been left behind over the last forty seven years and
(27:00):
wants to make rational changes that would theoretically make the
economic situation in Iran better. But there is a hardline
element that is fighting against that.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I also think there's a big story here that is
receiving very little attention. Is the Gayetola even alive. I mean,
he supposedly is the supreme leader. The New York Times
had a bunch of stories where they said, we don't
know what's going on with him. And also, by the way,
he doesn't actually dictate choices anymore. He hasn't shown up
(27:33):
for any of the mornings surrounding his father, his wife,
and his kid were who all killed evidently in this attack. Now,
to your point, there may be nervousness about him being
in public because he's going to get taken out to
all those things. But I do think that what we're
really seeing happen and play out in Iran is a
(27:55):
battle between somewhat rational Iranian leadership that Trump feels like
we're negotiating with, and then as soon as there's an agreement,
the crazy hardliners come out and immediately undercut any sort
of agreement at all, Which is why I'm back to
do we just say, Israel, maybe you're gonna have to
wipe out some more leadership, and we'll keep killing people
(28:15):
until we find somebody that actually has power that we
can negotiate.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
With the people who are going to take over from
those people are also going to be crazy. They have
rooted out. Nobody in the power structure there with real
power is going to be reasonable. They are all complicit
in the madness. They all hate Israel and the Jews.
(28:40):
They all think America is evil. They all believe the
sort of postcolonial everything is America in the West and
Israel's fault. You know, this is the problem. So, you know,
I don't really see where this goes. I just hope
that we get the gas prices down so or keep
them down, or have them down by election day so
that the lunatic communist Democrats don't take over because of
(29:03):
this war, which unfortunately it's very clear that they still
can cause problems in the straight orfoar moves. So this
is we're seeing the reality here, which is that we
were not able to destroy them enough that they are
entirely defanged. But Trump says we're going to hit them again. Okay.
I think we also, Clay have this idea that, oh,
(29:27):
the Iranian people, the suffering of the Iranian you know,
military or the Iranian people overall, is such that they'll
eventually cry uncle their capacity to take fun. This is
why I remember I talked about they used to have
a special brigade in the eighties, not that long ago.
The Iranians, okay, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps had a
(29:50):
brigade that had this really advanced idea for clearing minefields
with their war the Rock, which was have people walk
across the minefields. That's who we're fighting, everybody, Okay, that's
who we are up against. They have not gotten more
normal since then. And once you understand that and people
are signing up for that, they're like, sweet, put me
in the mind clearing role. Then you can see how
(30:14):
much suffering they can take, making them cry uncle and
concede really in a meaningful This is bye, Clay. The
reason we can't get to deal with them is Trump
keeps saying, Okay, you'll agree to this and then this
mechanism for enforcement right right, No, No, they'll agree as
long as they can break the agreement. We're gonna keep
running back into this. This is gonna be the constant cycle.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I think I and most people out there just want
low gas prices, and I think that's the way that
most Americans think about this right now. So my hope
is that we can have some form of normalcy through
the midterms, and then the question becomes, how came it
(31:00):
is Trump to really trying to remake the situation in Iran?
And again, do we just take the handcuffs off Israel
and say, all right, go kill whoever you want.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I mean, by the way, he's talking once again about
taking carg Island. This is fourteen on the list. Guys,
let's hit this one.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
We're not attacking at the highest level, the highest level
of the bridges there which we can knock down. I
would say in one day we knocked down every single
bridge interamt.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
There's not a thing they can do about it.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
They're electric manufacturing facilities, right or electric plants where they
make their electricity in there.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
We will if we have to take them out. I
don't want to do that, but if we have to,
we'll take them out.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
They have desalinization plants, We'll take them out if we
have to.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Hate to do that. That's probably the one I would
like not to do. Least. We attacked carg Island last night.
We knocked out a piece.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
I said, don't touch the UIL because maybe we'll take
over carg Island. We may take over v It's not
a thing they can do about her. But I said,
don't hit the pipes, just hit everything else. And they
hit it.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
They may hit it again tonight, Clay. The real question
with all that, it's all true what he says. Of
course we could do all those things. Do the Iranian
leaders believe we would do those things, that Trump would
do those things. It's a great question. We can get
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Speaker 5 (33:15):
Level up your brain and balance out your day with
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Buck Sexton on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get
your podcast. But you were asking the question, does Iran
believe that Trump is willing to truly unleash in the
(33:36):
words of your one of your favorite movies and mine too, Gladiator.
Will Do they believe that he will truly unleash hell
upon them?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I think so. I think the answer is no. I
don't think they believe it. I don't think they believe it. Nope,
I think they do.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
If they don't, then he may have to unleash holy
hell on them, because you have to. The only thing
I do think Trump gets this For these dictators, the
only thing they respond to is fear, right, And if
you're right and they don't actually fear that Trump truly
will do what he is threatening to do, then there
(34:16):
is no negotiating leverage that we have. So I think
they do fear that he'll do it. Now what is
the impact of truly going into Iran in a very
significant way as he has threatened to do. I mean, look,
that opens up its own proverbial can of worms. But
(34:38):
if they truly don't fear Trump, then we have no
negotiating leverage because they believe that with the midterms coming up,
Trump is going to back off, and honestly, like I
feel like he's going to have to do something to
prove that he is willing, maybe not rain down Holy
(35:01):
Hell on them completely, but do something more significant than
what they anticipate.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
The thing that comes to mind would be and he's
talked about it, so this isn't and he's just sent
in that clip before taking carg Island. Say okay, now
we actually have our foot on the throat of your
entire economy. Will you say, uncle, what do you think
would happen if we took carg Island.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
We'll talk about this in the next hour, because I mean,
this is where it gets challenging. You're basically playing game
theory and you're trying to contemplate what the impact is.
On a positive side. We would then control Iran's oil
supply completely, presumably we could keep that running. Would Iran
(35:50):
blow up their own oil because we had control of it.
They're crazy. I mean, I'm saying like, this is one
of the challenges of this situation is you're not dealing
with rational, capitalistic, motivated, money motivated actors.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
And I think they're out as always Okay, okay, let's
let's talk. Let's talk. We're willing to talk now. And
we go through this, yeah, and they don't agree, and
then Trump has to bomb them. And at some point
I think people also they probably assume the Iranians think
that they'll be American voter fatigue with okay and I
We're going to bomb them again or back of negotiations again.
(36:30):
And you know, I don't know. Maybe Kushner and Lutnik
weren't the best guys to send his emissaries on this.
That's also something to think about.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Also, everybody has dealt with somebody who in a relationship
who is an attention hog. How much of this is
just iron wants the attention because it legitimizes them in
some way.
Welcome everybody to Clay and Buck. A busy, busy news
day unfolding, and we are here to make sense of
it all, bring you the latest. As of course, we
are live with you all across America and in some
cases around the world. We've got a whole situation once
again with Iran. We have strikes, a lot of strikes,
(00:23):
and the Iranians fighting back. Is this the end of
the MoU We have Trump speaking about that this morning,
the memorandum of understanding gas prices play unfortunately going up
a little bit a little bit right now. People are
expressing some concerns about where this is all heading. And
certainly if you listen to Trump's latest from this morning.
(00:45):
By the way, the latest from this morning might be
shortly superseded by Trump speaking in Ankara, Turkey, the capital
of Turkey, for those who are wondering, and we will.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
You know, it's a good I would not I don't
think I would have got in the capital of Turkey.
I don't think I would have gotten that one.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, the CIA taught me some things, and I think
that we'll hear from Trump shortly covering a whole range
of issues. Now he's there to speak about NATO. He
also had some harsh words for Spain. Is this maybe
clay for d Chess to throw them a bit before
their big World Cup game coming up? I don't know,
because he said the nation of Spain, we don't want
(01:25):
to trade with them anymore, and that they're not pulling
their way to NATO. Maybe he's throwing a little brushback
pitch for World Cup purposes. I don't know. It could be.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It would feel a lot better if the brushback pitch
were in favor of our men's soccer team and we
hadn't been obliterated by Belgium, the team that is going
to be playing Spain.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, but sometimes you just want to be a hater,
So we have that to work through. We also, by
the way, have more details from the trial of the
alleged Charlie Kirk assassin. The early stages here underway have
really preliminary hearings, and we'll see where that goes. But
(02:05):
we've also got a lot of presented in a court,
sworn evidence, testimony, facts, real things. We are a fact
based show. We are a reality based show. We will
present you with what is true, what is verified, what
is sworn by many many people, who are in either
(02:29):
law enforcement or Oh guys, we have Trump speaking right now,
do we wanted to? I think we need to take
it live. He's a leader of the free world. He's
in Turkey right now. Let's hear what the presence also,
by the way, say this.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
We are also trying to stream this live on our
video feed at Clay and Buck on YouTube. We will
see if it works or not. Fingers crossed, but you
should definitely get the audio.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Well. When you look at around, essentially demolished their military
and a couple of weeks they had a good military,
good navy. That one hundred and fifty nine ships. Everyone's
at the bottom of the seat. They had hundreds of airplanes.
They're all gone, the road lying burned up on the runways.
(03:12):
They were totally decimated. Their radar is gone, everything's gone.
Their leaders are gone rankly, and their combat capability is
pretty low. They have a small percentage of missiles left.
They have some of the launchers of missile launchers left,
call them launching pads, but most of that's been destroyed too.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
So we are.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
We have the strongest military in the world by far,
not even close. Everybody admits last year's summoned in the
Netherlands was great also, and we achieved an unprecedented agreement
to increase the annual defense spending and it's the benchmark,
raising it from two percent to five percent of GDP,
which everybody said was possible. And now they're role thanking me,
(04:01):
and most of the countries have agreed to it. We
have a couple of couple of that didn't, but I
have a feeling they're going to and pretty quickly. In fact,
today they were very positive. One of them in particular,
was I didn't think a good team player. Today was
a great team player. As all of the leaders understand
(04:22):
very well, the United States remains by far the largest
contributor to NATO monetarily and maybe otherwise, and the strongest
military anywhere.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
In the world.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And they respect us as a country again. They didn't
respect us two years ago. They laughed at us, NATO
laughed at us, everybody laughed at us. They don't laugh anymore.
There's no more laughing. This year, we invested a record
one trillion dollars in our armed forces, and we're going
to be asking for a one point five trillion coming up.
(04:57):
We have the money being spent on the best equipment
anywhere in the world. In the working session this morning,
we discussed the progress other members are making toward the
five percent target, and they're making great progress.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Many of these countries are very rich.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
By the way, we'd have to feel sorry for them,
but it doesn't mean they're properly protected.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
It's a big difference.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Some have truly answered the call and others are making
big changes and will be answering the call. I think
I can say in all cases they're going to be
answering the call, and we'll be taking in over tree
million dollars a year toward defense, and that's a tremendous
amount of money. It's a big up. They were two percent,
(05:43):
they were actually a one percent. I got them to
two percent. Then I wanted to get them to five,
and we got up to five the last time. And
they're you know, just again, if you could have seen
the respect and the love in the room, and it's
love really.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
For the country, for our country.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I don't want to say because you'll say, oh, he's
so conceited, he's such a conceited person.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
But they do.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I mean, you know, they they like the job I'm doing.
They said, we love sir, we love you. He's a
grown people saying that it's none nice. Maybe I don't know,
maybe they're trying to get to me and the way
they did because there was tremendous.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Unity in that room.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
And I urge all nations to accelerate their plans to
get the benchmark as quickly as possible. The benchmark is
going to be at five percent number. That's the number
should have been for years. As a result of the
commitment we achieved last year at defense spending of other
NATO members surge by more than almost one hundred and
(06:46):
fifty billion dollars in twenty twenty five, and much of
that money is being spent on American made equipment. They
all want American made equipment, where we're pushing very hard
to have the defense companies they're great.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
We make the best equipment.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
The Patriots and the Tomahawks, and everything we have is considered.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
To be the best, not by me. Everybody wants it.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I wish we made it faster because we could sell
as much as we could make. And as you know,
I had lockeed and every one of the companies, all
of the companies who to Raytheona as an example, Boeing.
So many of those great companies are now building plants.
They had big plants, but they were using them twenty
(07:31):
four to seven. I said, that's not the way to
do it. You have to build more plants. You don't
have to just go overtime. No tax on overtime. Remember
that police, No tax on overtime. Those people are happy,
but they're going. They were doing literally twenty four hours
to get the Tomahawks done and the Patriots done, and
all of the other defensive and offensive equipment done.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
It's the most sought after equipment in the world.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
You saw that with Venezuela, where yeah, they had a
lot of great equipment.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
There wasn't ours and it didn't work.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Our equipment works, but we have to produce it faster
for other countries, for everybody, including ourselves.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
We have to produce it faster.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
So we think within a year, year and a half,
Max will be all right.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
We're going to continue to monitor this NATO, this NATO hearing,
rather NATO press conference, and we will bring you the
highlights of it. Right now, Trump is talking pretty specifically
about the NATO situation. I assume Clay he will get
into what is much more on America's radar right now,
(08:37):
so to speak, which is the situation with Iran. I
know he's he is there to talk about the North
Atlantic Treaty organization and what's going on with Turkey, and
there's an F thirty five deal in the mix and
a whole bunch of things. But the reality right now
(08:57):
is it looks like the negotiations with Iran are well,
there is no deal. There is no deal. There is
a lot of explosions happening in Iran. We're blowing up
a lot of stuff there we have in the last
twenty four hours. And Trump says we're gonna blow up
a lot more and more to the point claim, And
(09:20):
I think this is what really gets to the situation
as it stands now. Trump is essentially telling everybody, look,
they're bad guys, They're bad people. And I hear he
is saying, this has cut seventeen guys. This is at
the NATO summit. He's saying, these are scumbacks play it.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I had a very good talk with President Putin. We
had a long talk yesterday less than a long time.
And I also spoke with President Zelensky right after that.
I think they both want to make a deal.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
It's too bad it took so long.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
But I think there's going to be something's going to
come out, and the President's also helping us with that.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
But I think there's something.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
You know, I settled eight wars, and I think we're
going to be settling a night. It doesn't seem likely now,
but sometimes when with war, I see when it's least likely,
that's when it happens. I had a very good talk
with President Putin, had a very good talk with I
would say is a combination. A lot of times I'd
do well with Putin and Zelinsky would be a probable
or or vice versa. Zelinsky would be great and Putin
(10:22):
would be They both want to get it settled down.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Okay, that's the wrong clip. I want him on the
status of the ceasefire with Iran. Cut seventeen on the
list for Wednesday, July eighth year. Guys, the ceasefire with Iran?
Can we play that please or let me know if
we do not have it, because that is the critical
issue right now. Do we have this cut? Okay, Clay,
(10:50):
you know what we're gonna do. We're gonna tee this
one up and we're gonna come back to it so
everyone can hear. But the long and the short of
it is quote Trump saying, quote to me, I think
it's over. I don't want to deal with them anymore.
They're scum, They're led by sick people. As far as
I'm concerned, it's just a waste of time dealing with them.
(11:11):
We're blowing up their stuff, we're calling them scum. You
can expect the Strait of Horror Mouz to see a
massive cessation of traffic. It already was at about thirty
percent before this Clay what happens now. I think we're
just going to continue to do this. I think your
Modagras strategy is probably accurate. The price of oil and
(11:33):
gas had dropped back below where it was on uh
before we actually had invaded, before we had begun the
war with Iran.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
It hasn't really come back that much. Here's one thing
that I think is going to be significant going forward.
And I don't know that Iran really has thought through this,
because I'm not sure they're actually very good at contemplating
significant economic decisions. Clearly, a lot of people are just
going to stop using the Straight of Horror moves and
(12:05):
there is now going to be I think, a multi
year move against this.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
And so whereas twenty percent of oil.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And gas in some way had been able to transit
the Straight of Horror moves at some point in time,
right now, I think, first of all, a lot of
the backlog has been taken care of. The reports are
that we're getting thirty or sixty ships through, and so
I think that's what has partly what has frustrated the IRGC.
We should dive into this. There's been a lot of
reporting that Iranian leadership is feuding, and what's really going
(12:35):
on is the hardliners in the IRGC are reaching out
and attacking ships, even though the sort of moderate component
of Iran opposes this. But I think long term, Iran
is cutting its own throat because I think the usage
of the Strait of Horror moves is going to continue
to decline. But we'll talk about that a bit more
when we come back. And what the impact is. Price
(12:57):
of oil and gas seventy five dollars got down to
about sixty eight sixty seven, so it's still not much
different than it was in February, and prices, as many
of you have noticed, have come down substantially all over
the country from the highs that were set back in May.
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Last learn and hang with the guys, Clay and Buck
pre said on the iHeart App, Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
In rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program, President
Trump still speaking in Turkey. A lot of the attention again,
We're following the Charlie Kirk situation, Graham Platner, what's gonna
happen in Maine. But the biggest story out there right
now is the latest on Iran. And Trump has just
(14:45):
said in his talk here and we'll grab this for
you as well. Quote I'm seeing will probably hit them
hard again tonight. So Trump saying that we are going
to hit Iran hard again tonight. This this is what
he said cut seventeen a bit earlier today.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
To me, I think it's over. I don't want to
deal with him anymore. There's scum. You know what scum is.
There's scum. There's sick people. They're lit by sick people,
and they're vicious, violent people. And if they had a
nuclear weapon, they'd use it. As far as I'm concerned,
it's over. I'll speak to our negotiators. They want to negotiate.
They're good people, Steve Woodcuff, Jared Kusher, but they have
to come back to me. As far as I'm concerned,
(15:24):
it's just a waste of time dealing with them.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
They're liars.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
We make a deal, and if I make a deal
with him, we have a deal, and he goes out,
he talks, We make a deal, everyone's agreed, no nuclear weapon.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
We make a deal. They go outside and talk to
the press. They say, we never even talked about it.
There's something wrong with them.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
They're cuckoo.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Far as I'm concerned, it's over.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
They're bad people, and frankly, I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Want to waste my time with him now.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I'll let our wonderful negotiators keep talking if they want.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
But I don't see it. I don't like these people,
you know that.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I mean buck This for President Trump is effectively like
strip Away the geo political implications. Anybody who's ever done
a business deal, Trump sounds like somebody who has decided
the guy that he's been negotiating with can't be trusted,
and he's just done with the negotiation period. That would
not make me feel good if I were Iran. Right now, well,
(16:16):
let me say though I don't think this is posturing
by Trump. I think and Clay, this is what you know.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
My experience of dealing with Midi's crazies before I got
into media was I think informative for my view that
there's no deal. Yeah, no deal to be had. Even
if you have a deal with Iran, they will break
the deal. There's no deal. There's no such thing as
a deal with these people. They will break their word,
(16:45):
they will break their bond, they will lie, they will cheat,
they will steal, they will kill.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
That is it.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
And I'm not saying Trump isn't aware of that. And
maybe you can say he has to go through this
process of trying to do this with them. But now
we are in a situation where and I use the
mod of the grass analogy very early on, it's gonna
be okay, guys, let's have a talk. You don't want
to talk boom boom boom bombing a bunch of things. Okay, guys,
(17:13):
have you had enough yet? No boom boom boom bomb
a bunch of I mean, this is where we are.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I think the question that's now going to become readily
apparent is do we take out more of their leadership.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I don't know that we can. I think their leadership
has learned some lessons from the sucker punch that we
gave them in that massive meeting.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And that may that may well be true that they're
hiding better and it's not as easy to take them out.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But I think that is where the Israelis probably can.
The Israelis can sneak grenades into their cheerios, So you
know there is that.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
So do we take the uh sort of the governor
off of Israeli attacks and say, wipe out whoever else
you want? I mean, that's where I That's what I
get from Trump is like I wouldn't feel good if
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Speaker 1 (18:52):
My name Clay, Welcome back into Clay and fuck. Every
time I hear that song, I gotta tell you the
intro music there. All I can think about is Beverly
Hills cop which, as everybody knows, is one of the
ten best movies of the eighties. And it's just a
great scene, a great intro government tax stamp. You can't
beat that. It's just fantastic. If you haven't seen Beverly
(19:12):
Hills Copper, you haven't rewatched it in a while. Let
me just tell you go back and enjoy. A side note,
we're about to get into Iran and war and peace
and the most important news issues in the world. I
have seen a lot of chatter that this Young Washington
movie which is in theaters is quite good, and they've.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Already announced a sequel. I mean, based on making over
twenty million dollars in week one. Yeah, just fyi and Ali,
isn't this Angel Studios?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Is our man Kevin Sorbo involved in this? Who is this?
We should get somebody on from I think it's an
Angel Studios production. And people are saying it's a great
because Clay our baseline thesis on this kind of the
same way that I said that Twitter starting in twenty eleven,
I'm like, so Twitter is boosting communists and it's a
totally rigged game. People were like, that's the conspiracy theory,
(20:03):
and of course that was true, and we all knew
it was true. Later on all came out. If you
made good movies for the American people, they don't have
to be super expensive. It doesn't have to be The
Transformer seven or Avengers fifteen or Fast and the Furious
thirty five. You can make a movie about a great
story rooted in American history, and just with good writing
(20:26):
and acting, people want to see it. We are not
done with movies. We are not done with great stories.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
And yes, sir, I accidentally hit a button here trying
to post one of our social media clips and it.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Went out like Clay gave me. I thought I thought
he was about to drop like a bomb here on
the air, like, oh guess what, but no, instead, he
actually just unked. He unked the board, which is a
thing that he does. Yes, he unked it. So I
just want to give a shout out to that because
I haven't seen it yet. I want to see it.
I'm not going to see the Odyssey. We'll talk more
about this. I've seen enough in the previews. I've seen
(21:02):
enough in the in the pre game. I don't want
to contribute to this. I'm also not a Christopher Nolan
guy in general. I like the Batman movies. That is it.
I'm not a fan of his other movies. I thought
they were all ponderous, boring, and really self important. So
I'm not a big Christopher Nolan guy period. But this
Odyssey thing, Clay now not gonna do you.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
See the video of Elliott ellen Page coming out in
the suit, Stanton.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Here is a question. I'm just tossing it out there.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Has anyone changed their gender appearance and looked better as
the new gender? Elliott Page looks like what he She is,
a tiny woman pretending to be a man, like a
pre adolescent male. Ellen Page was actually a cute girl,
(21:55):
I just now trying to make him Achilles, like maybe.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I'm not not Achilles, that that was actually that he is.
She is in the movie whatever, sorry, she is in
the movie. But I don't think I don't think as
Achilles as some other role. I'm not sure, okay, but hers.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And I'm probably that, by the way, that would have
tanked the movie, Like that actually would have killed the movie.
I am going to be probably put on some hit list.
Can anyone name a man who has decided to identify
as a woman or a woman who has decided to
identify as a man.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
That works better?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
And by the way, we can almost always tell, right,
Like if there's a picture.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Always in person, always the photos can be deceiving. And
with AI and filters. Now, sure you know, you know
some of you guys out there who are on dating apps,
watch what you're swiping. You don't necessarily know what's going on.
But that's two D. When you get into three D,
I always know, you always know.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I I just I mean I think that that is
a good example. And maybe Ellen Elliott whatever page is
happier now and that's fine. At least this person waited
until adulthood to make the switch, but I remember it
was it Juno, the movie that did she won an
act oscar for I think pretty good movie.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
She was.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
You know why liberals hated that movie because because she
actually had the baby. God God forbid you actually give
life to your child when you're stretched out about it,
because obviously they want everyone to just abort the baby.
It was. It was really really horrific, by the way,
to this day, like, that's the part of dirty dancing
that I'm like, we just kind of that's just sort
of like in the background is we'remen had to have
(23:37):
like a like a you know, oh I didn't even
abortion dirty dancing, and this is a part of dirty
dancing that everyone's like, oh, it's such a sweet movie.
I'm like, no, it's not. Actually, it's actually not such
a sweet movie. But anyway, shall we talk her Ron
Now I've learned to get the movie thing just because
the Washington I love that these YouTubers made this obsession movie.
Apparently it's super violent, so obviously you don't watch that
(23:58):
with your kids. I haven't seen it yet either. There
is that one scene though, that maybe does remind me
of a couple of ex girlfriends. Neither here nor there
where she just goes, you know, in the restaurant. It's
really it's classic. Now, so Obsession has done super well financially,
and I'm just happy to see an independent movie like
that do well. And now this Young Washington movie is
(24:18):
apparently great. Uh, I don't go to Why don't we
have a thing. There should be a portal where I'll
pay movie ticket price for a movie like this to
watch it at home. Why isn't that?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I think it will be on streaming very quickly. It
seems like they go to streaming very fast. But I
think there still is a cachet associated with trying to
get people to go to movie theaters. No, I agree,
but you know, I would be happy to pay the
movie theater like I would buy this movie. Probably be
at all that you don't want to go to movie
theaters and that you would pay whatever it takes to
(24:51):
not have to be surrounded by other people and watch
movies so that you can see it in your home. Buyers,
That does not surprise me.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Judged everybody, I feel like I'm being judged right now,
a little harsh, but yes, that is true. I would
pay thirty bucks to be able to watch it at home.
I'd pay whatever to be able to watch it at home.
So Young Washington, go check it out. And guys, let's
reach out to the team who's behind that movie, because
we should have them on to talk about it. All
right at Iran, Iran, Iran, let's get into it. Trump
(25:19):
talked about how Look, he says, we hit him very
hard yesterday. Obviously easier to do these strikes at night.
We're hitting them again tonight, he says, Play twelve.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
They are behaving very badly, as they have for forty
seven years. And you know, we hit them hard last night.
After they lunch, they lunched a couple of you have
to know about this, you got stuff on your mind.
But they launched a couple of drones and one rocket
one missile at chips because they were in the strait,
which they have every right to be. And so we
hit them very hard last night, very very Probably hit
(25:49):
him hard again tonight.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I'll give him a little warning. We're gonna hit him
hard tonight.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
But we'll see how it all works out. No, I'm
not happy with them. I think we've made a lot
of progress, and they'll get out.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Of the room. We'll talk about it.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
We're here, They'll we are everything, and then they'll go
ahead of his conference and say we never even talked
about it.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
The cuckoo. Is something wrong with these people?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I mean, this is can I just say, Clay, I
have been saying this all along These Iranians. People will say, oh, no,
they're rational actors. Well yeah, I mean sometimes Ted Bundy
was a rational actor, but then there was the bad
stuff that he did, right, I mean, you know there's
they can be rational insofar as they can see their
interests and they but their view of their interests and
(26:31):
what is a good outcome for the region and the
world is dramatically different from ours. They are cuckoo.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, And look, I think one of the big challenges
and we'll play these other cuts too, but I think
one of the big challenges out there is there is
a ration. Based on my reading, there is a rational
element of Iran that once recognizes that economically they have
been left behind over the last forty seven years and
(27:00):
wants to make rational changes that would theoretically make the
economic situation in Iran better. But there is a hardline
element that is fighting against that.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I also think there's a big story here that is
receiving very little attention. Is the Gayetola even alive. I mean,
he supposedly is the supreme leader. The New York Times
had a bunch of stories where they said, we don't
know what's going on with him. And also, by the way,
he doesn't actually dictate choices anymore. He hasn't shown up
(27:33):
for any of the mornings surrounding his father, his wife,
and his kid were who all killed evidently in this attack. Now,
to your point, there may be nervousness about him being
in public because he's going to get taken out to
all those things. But I do think that what we're
really seeing happen and play out in Iran is a
(27:55):
battle between somewhat rational Iranian leadership that Trump feels like
we're negotiating with, and then as soon as there's an agreement,
the crazy hardliners come out and immediately undercut any sort
of agreement at all, Which is why I'm back to
do we just say, Israel, maybe you're gonna have to
wipe out some more leadership, and we'll keep killing people
(28:15):
until we find somebody that actually has power that we
can negotiate.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
With the people who are going to take over from
those people are also going to be crazy. They have
rooted out. Nobody in the power structure there with real
power is going to be reasonable. They are all complicit
in the madness. They all hate Israel and the Jews.
(28:40):
They all think America is evil. They all believe the
sort of postcolonial everything is America in the West and
Israel's fault. You know, this is the problem. So, you know,
I don't really see where this goes. I just hope
that we get the gas prices down so or keep
them down, or have them down by election day so
that the lunatic communist Democrats don't take over because of
(29:03):
this war, which unfortunately it's very clear that they still
can cause problems in the straight orfoar moves. So this
is we're seeing the reality here, which is that we
were not able to destroy them enough that they are
entirely defanged. But Trump says we're going to hit them again. Okay.
I think we also, Clay have this idea that, oh,
(29:27):
the Iranian people, the suffering of the Iranian you know,
military or the Iranian people overall, is such that they'll
eventually cry uncle their capacity to take fun. This is
why I remember I talked about they used to have
a special brigade in the eighties, not that long ago.
The Iranians, okay, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps had a
(29:50):
brigade that had this really advanced idea for clearing minefields
with their war the Rock, which was have people walk
across the minefields. That's who we're fighting, everybody, Okay, that's
who we are up against. They have not gotten more
normal since then. And once you understand that and people
are signing up for that, they're like, sweet, put me
in the mind clearing role. Then you can see how
(30:14):
much suffering they can take, making them cry uncle and
concede really in a meaningful This is bye, Clay. The
reason we can't get to deal with them is Trump
keeps saying, Okay, you'll agree to this and then this
mechanism for enforcement right right, No, No, they'll agree as
long as they can break the agreement. We're gonna keep
running back into this. This is gonna be the constant cycle.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I think I and most people out there just want
low gas prices, and I think that's the way that
most Americans think about this right now. So my hope
is that we can have some form of normalcy through
the midterms, and then the question becomes, how came it
(31:00):
is Trump to really trying to remake the situation in Iran?
And again, do we just take the handcuffs off Israel
and say, all right, go kill whoever you want.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I mean, by the way, he's talking once again about
taking carg Island. This is fourteen on the list. Guys,
let's hit this one.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
We're not attacking at the highest level, the highest level
of the bridges there which we can knock down. I
would say in one day we knocked down every single
bridge interamt.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
There's not a thing they can do about it.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
They're electric manufacturing facilities, right or electric plants where they
make their electricity in there.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
We will if we have to take them out. I
don't want to do that, but if we have to,
we'll take them out.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
They have desalinization plants, We'll take them out if we
have to.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Hate to do that. That's probably the one I would
like not to do. Least. We attacked carg Island last night.
We knocked out a piece.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
I said, don't touch the UIL because maybe we'll take
over carg Island. We may take over v It's not
a thing they can do about her. But I said,
don't hit the pipes, just hit everything else. And they
hit it.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
They may hit it again tonight, Clay. The real question
with all that, it's all true what he says. Of
course we could do all those things. Do the Iranian
leaders believe we would do those things, that Trump would
do those things. It's a great question. We can get
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your podcast. But you were asking the question, does Iran
believe that Trump is willing to truly unleash in the
(33:36):
words of your one of your favorite movies and mine too, Gladiator.
Will Do they believe that he will truly unleash hell
upon them?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I think so. I think the answer is no. I
don't think they believe it. I don't think they believe it. Nope,
I think they do.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
If they don't, then he may have to unleash holy
hell on them, because you have to. The only thing
I do think Trump gets this For these dictators, the
only thing they respond to is fear, right, And if
you're right and they don't actually fear that Trump truly
will do what he is threatening to do, then there
(34:16):
is no negotiating leverage that we have. So I think
they do fear that he'll do it. Now what is
the impact of truly going into Iran in a very
significant way as he has threatened to do. I mean, look,
that opens up its own proverbial can of worms. But
(34:38):
if they truly don't fear Trump, then we have no
negotiating leverage because they believe that with the midterms coming up,
Trump is going to back off, and honestly, like I
feel like he's going to have to do something to
prove that he is willing, maybe not rain down Holy
(35:01):
Hell on them completely, but do something more significant than
what they anticipate.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
The thing that comes to mind would be and he's
talked about it, so this isn't and he's just sent
in that clip before taking carg Island. Say okay, now
we actually have our foot on the throat of your
entire economy. Will you say, uncle, what do you think
would happen if we took carg Island.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
We'll talk about this in the next hour, because I mean,
this is where it gets challenging. You're basically playing game
theory and you're trying to contemplate what the impact is.
On a positive side. We would then control Iran's oil
supply completely, presumably we could keep that running. Would Iran
(35:50):
blow up their own oil because we had control of it.
They're crazy. I mean, I'm saying like, this is one
of the challenges of this situation is you're not dealing
with rational, capitalistic, motivated, money motivated actors.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
And I think they're out as always Okay, okay, let's
let's talk. Let's talk. We're willing to talk now. And
we go through this, yeah, and they don't agree, and
then Trump has to bomb them. And at some point
I think people also they probably assume the Iranians think
that they'll be American voter fatigue with okay and I
We're going to bomb them again or back of negotiations again.
(36:30):
And you know, I don't know. Maybe Kushner and Lutnik
weren't the best guys to send his emissaries on this.
That's also something to think about.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Also, everybody has dealt with somebody who in a relationship
who is an attention hog. How much of this is
just iron wants the attention because it legitimizes them in
some way.
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