July 9, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show focused primarily on the political fallout surrounding Maine Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Graham Platner's decision to suspend his campaign following allegations that emerged during the race. Clay and Buck examined the implications of Platner withdrawing after winning his party's nomination, arguing that the move raises broader questions about the role of primary voters, party leadership, and how political organizations handle controversy. They compared the situation to previous Democratic Party nomination disputes, including debates surrounding Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Bernie Sanders, and Hillary Clinton, while discussing whether political parties truly respect the will of voters.
The hosts spent considerable time debating whether allegations alone should be enough to derail a political candidacy. They argued that Platner's withdrawal could set a precedent that accusations, even when denied, can effectively end campaigns before voters make a final decision. Clay and Buck contrasted the situation with high-profile political and judicial confirmation battles involving figures such as Brett Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas, discussing how public figures have responded differently when facing accusations and intense media scrutiny.
Another major topic during Hour 1 was the future of the Maine Senate race and what Platner's exit means for Democratic chances against incumbent Senator Susan Collins. The hosts discussed polling, political betting markets, possible replacement candidates, and speculation that Maine Governor Janet Mills could emerge as a leading alternative. They questioned whether Democratic Party leaders were acting strategically to improve their electoral prospects and whether party insiders would ultimately rally behind Platner if he remained competitive in the general election.
Clay and Buck also examined media reactions to the controversy, highlighting comments from Democratic activists, commentators, and political supporters who had previously defended Platner despite allegations and other controversies associated with his campaign. The discussion broadened into a critique of what they viewed as inconsistent standards applied by political commentators and media organizations when evaluating candidates from different political parties.
A significant portion of the hour focused on the legacy of the Me Too movement, sexual misconduct allegations in politics, and differing media treatment of prominent political figures. The hosts revisited past controversies involving Donald Trump, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, Brett Kavanaugh, Harvey Weinstein, Matt Lauer, Charlie Rose, and other public figures. They debated how accusations are covered by the press, whether political considerations influence reporting, and how public opinion can differ from media narratives. The conversation also explored legal questions surrounding statutes of limitations for sexual assault cases and how those laws intersect with political campaigns and public accusations.
The discussion expanded into broader themes of political accountability, due process, voter behavior, and the tension between personal conduct allegations and electoral decision-making. Clay argued that many voters are willing to separate allegations from political support if accusations remain unproven, while Buck suggested that political institutions often make strategic choices designed to avoid risk regardless of voter sentiment. Together, they analyzed how modern political campaigns, social media pressure, and public controversy can rapidly reshape races at both the state and national levels.
Toward the end of Hour 1, the hosts took listener feedback and talkbacks, including reactions to Platner's fundraising challenges and a lighter discussion about airline baggage fees versus simply purchasing inexpensive clothing at a destination while traveling. The segment provided a humorous close to an otherwise politics-heavy first hour.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Thursday edition, Clay and Buck. We got a
ton of different stories to dive into with you.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Iran Strike's return.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
The Tyler Robinson hearing is ongoing, but we begin with
the news that happened yesterday evening. Graham Platner, Maine Senate
nominee for the Democrat Party. We've talked a lot about
all of his travails, all of the scandals that have
followed him.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, in an eleven.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Minute recorded statement which was loaded with a lot of
different attacks on a variety of different people, he has
dropped out of the nomination that he won. One hundred
and fifty six thousand people voted for him, and now
they are going to have a convention of sorts to
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pick a nominee to replace Graham Platner to run again,
Susan Collins in Maine. Buck, my biggest takeaway, I would
say I have two, and I'm curious what your biggest
takeaways and where we go from here. First, this is
the Democrat Party doing what they do, and if we
had an honest, assessed media, more than just us would
(01:20):
be pointing out, well, wait a minute, Joe Biden won
the Democrat primary and then they decided he couldn't win,
so they invalidated the votes of tens of millions of
Democrat primary voters and replaced him with Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And now one.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Hundred and fifty six thousand people just last month voted
for Graham Platner, and now they have canceled all those
out in favor of grand Democrat poohbahs. Who will a
few hundred of them be able to decide who the
nominee is?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Now? That is what kind of stand. Yeah, don't don't
I want you to get to point two. But don't
forget clay about the super delegates who stole the nomination
from Bernie Sanders himself in twenty sixteen. Well, Bernie was
gonna Bernie. They just couldn't have a socialist be the
Democrat nominee because if too many people figure out the
Democrats are socialists, the whole game is up. So the
(02:12):
super delegates gave it to Hillary, just.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
The super delegates when they actually got into hacking the emails,
the entire DNC rigged it for Hillary. Yeah, so I
mean super anti democratic. And Bernie has a right to
be angry about that, because I think he would have
been the nominee otherwise back in twenty sixteen second part
on this, and I bet you sign off on this
two buck. I don't care whether Graham Plattner wins the
(02:39):
Senate race. Obviously I disagree with him on almost every issue.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
And I bet I almost guarantee that you will sign
off on this too. If somebody ever accuses me of
something that I really didn't do, it is going to
make me double triple, quadruple win, tuppled down. I would
refuse to drop out of anything if somebody were saying, oh,
(03:06):
Clay Travis did X or Y, and I never did
it to me. This is actually incredible cowardice from Graham
Platner because to me, now he's branded.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I know he said, oh I didn't do it to me,
He's basically admitting that he actually did commit sexual assault.
Because if you accuse me of sexual assault, the last
thing I'm ever doing is letting you try to drag
my name into the mud by giving the credence of
your allegation such that I drop out. So those are
the two big takeaways that I have. But he is
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pointing the finger at a lot of other people here.
He is cut one suspending his campaign the Oyster Farmer
once again, I suppose play one.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Amy and I struggled about getting into this last summer,
right around this time of year. We sat down and
we looked at each other and we said, if we
believe in the kind of politics we think that we do,
we have to do this. Over the past couple of days,
really yesterday and today, we have had to have that
(04:14):
exact same conversation. We believe that for the movement to continue,
it can't be made, and for that reason we are
suspending campaign operations.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, I actually think I think for Graham Plattner, this
is the wrong move. Yeah, and you and I saw
this the same way. So look, I also thought he
would push through because he was just days away from
being a nominee. I'm gonna tell you again from his perspective.
And now the deal is done. So who cares. I
think this was a mistake because of exactly what you said.
(04:53):
I think that now you go out a loser, a
loser that people think of as a guy who wouldn't
stand up for himself. You know, imagine for a second
if when the crazy allegations against it, Now these are
not crazy allegations, to be there is that distinction, which
we made yesterday, to be clear. But imagine you are
(05:14):
Brett Kavanaugh and you decide, oh, I just can't take
the heat. Yeah, Democrats for the next fifty years would
have just been saying we stopped a rapist from getting it.
And by the way, he wasn't even a I mean, well,
the first woman didn't even accuse him of rape. Wasn't
even clear what she was accusing him of other than
like some trying with her inappropriate a sexual assault. Even
(05:35):
if everything she said was true, Even if what she
said it had been true about him, I don't there
wouldn't have even been an arrestimate. The whole thing was insane.
And then they came up with later allegations which were
from objectively and obviously even crazier people. Point here being Clay.
He fought through it. Now he's on the Supreme Court,
and now any person of conscience, discernment and reason is like, yeah,
(05:58):
because they try to hit on him and it didn't work.
Where it's Thomas two right thing. Yeah, well, the stuff
against him was even I mean, it was even more ridiculously,
but it was like someone he said something that was
a naughty joke.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I mean, that's not even good me. I do think Buck.
This is also important, though, beyond Platiner or or Kavanaugh
or heg Seth or whoever you want to point to.
When you drop out, you actually set the set the
precedent that accusations that are denied are enough to derail candidacies.
(06:31):
And the voters have shown, whether it was with President Trump,
whether it was with a ton of different Ran Biden
people just shook it off that if you deny it,
and if you credibly push back against it, that they
will give the benefit of the doubt. It seems to
me the voters are actually more forgiving of false accusations
(06:54):
or even just accusations themselves than the media establishment is.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
So this is the this is the Platiner point of
you on this. He's essentially saying that he would continue
in this battle if you will, but they're taking all
of his ammunition away. They're making it impossible for him
to fight, so that he has no choice. This is
also from his social media post. This is cut three
(07:18):
play it.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Those in power who have the ability to do so
are using these allegations as an excuse to take away
all of the things that we need to run a campaign.
We are going to lose our ability to fundraise, we
are going to lose our ability to access voter data.
(07:38):
We are going to lose all of the things that
any campaign needs on the basic level simply to function.
Larger organizations, the national level, party, the bigger donor networks,
they have all committed to spending no money in this race.
If I'm in it, would rather see Susan Collins win
(08:03):
than have me be the next senator from main.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Clay, I think this is his I think at the
very end there that is the assessment that's incorrect from
his perspective. I think if he had made it to
where he's the guy, they would have to they would
have to coalesce around. You know what an allegation is
not is not proof. He says he's an innocent man,
(08:26):
blah blah blah, Donald Trump blah blah blah other people,
and I do not believe they would have just Clay.
I believe the latest polling showed Platner even still ahead
of Janet Mills.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Of Mills or Collins, you mean if they were running
head to head the governor, he would still beat the governor, right, now.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
No, that he was better than the against Collins. He
is in a better position, you said, Janet Mills. I
thought the former who was the other Democrat governor I
think of of May that he ran against, So I
was getting he would still here.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Here's what I would say, he would still be the
pick even I think if they went to vote today,
he would beat Janet Mills in the Democrat primary. And
he's still basically head to head with Susan Collins in
the general. Right, So like the way this thing is
set up.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
But what I what I'm saying is what I saw
was that he's actually a better matchup for Collins even
still than his likeliest replacement. Yeah, I don't this is
going to turn into a mess. And where I agree
with you one hundred percent on is if he were
competitive in labor day right when when really the midterm start,
(09:46):
all the people who said were never going to support
him would quietly find ways to funnel money to him,
because all they care about is power, and they don't
care who comes to power, and so all of this,
I just think it's a fundamental miscalculation. I think it's
a further sign.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You talked about it in the DNC, the Hillary Bernie,
in the Kamala Biden, and now in the Grand Platner situation,
Democrats have proven that they don't actually care at all
about the will of their voters, and so the entire
argument of democracy is on the ballot and all of
that is a total wide Let me also say this, Buck,
(10:25):
I don't understand why so many politicians treat losing as
a kin to death.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Maybe it's because I come from the world of sports.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
One guy who competes loses every time another guy goes
up against him. Right UFC boxing match, one team loses,
the other team wins, losing as a part of competition.
So for Graham Platner, I would just come back to this.
If he loses to Susan Collins and he loses by
(10:58):
five or six points, Let's say Susan conn Collins wins
fifty two, forty eight, fifty three, forty seven, something like that,
he's viable going forward. He can say, Hey, you know what,
I've got to be better person. I've got all these
different issues, But voters have ultimately come out and made
a decision. I think voters would not really turn away
from him. I just I don't buy that the same
(11:20):
people who showed up last month, one hundred and fifty
six thousand of them that gave him like seventy two
percent of the overall primary vote. I don't buy that
they're suddenly going to walk away from him. I think
you could almost put Adolph Hitler on the ballot in
Maine and forty seven percent of main voters would show
(11:41):
up because he's not Trump. They would be like, well,
you know, the guy's got a Nazi tattoo. The guy's
a Nazi, but at least he's not Trump. Forty seven
percent of people, at least in Maine are so broken
brain that they're just going to vote straight Democrat tack
the ticket. You made a good point the other day too.
There is no down ballot concern right. Unlike nationwide when
(12:02):
they bumped Joe Biden off, they were concerned about the Senate,
they were concerned about the House, and if he didn't
get enough support that there was gonna be overall down
ballot considerations. That doesn't exist in Maine. So I just
think this is Democrats being diabolical. And uh, I actually
think grand Platner made a poor decision.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well see, by the way, yes, there's some polls that show,
uh that it would it was better for Platiner to
be to stay in something that I've seen some show
mills is better. But the point is here, if you
are Platiner, I think you, I think you stay in
and and you don't, you don't do this.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I don't know, it's sol over. Maybe this is also
a part of it. Like to me, if you lose,
you just go back to your normal life. And if
you like your normal life, you're good. Was he gonna
go be an oyster farmer and sell his oysters back
to Mommy's restaurant?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I just I feel like this whole thing is absurd
on many different levels. Yeah. I think that it also
shows you how desperate the Democrats are to find anyone
who is just a normal dude, a normal white dude,
to run anywhere.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
This is really hard for them. One little bit of
news two hours ago. At least he has not officially
signed the papers. It's now Thursday. What if he just
totally flipped.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
What if he just didn't sign the papers.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Like I'm just saying, like you can say it can
just come out and put another video out and say
you know what, after this outpouring of support.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I've changed my mind. I'm staying in. Like it could
turn into even more of a clown show. It's what
he should do.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I don't think he'll do it, But according to this report,
he has not signed the papers to officially drop his
Maybe the check hasn't cleared yet, too official, because I
think there's probably a payoff that went on too here candidly.
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welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. You know,
we had to sit here and talk about how Grant
Plattnir has said he's out of that Main Center race.
It's gonna be a very interesting competitive race, or at least
it was going to be. We'll see what happens. Now,
we'll see what happens. But then there's also also Clay.
(15:27):
All of these people in the media who I think
still claim that they are paragons of virtue and honesty
and speaking truth to power without fear or favor, sir,
But they kind of just say whatever they have to
say in order to make sure a Democrat wins. That's
actually what happens that's actually how it goes. Here's a
(15:52):
montage of libs talking about how a little Nazi tattoo,
a little sexual assault allegation or a few and other things,
a little big deal play it.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
I don't give a if somebody had a toxic relationship.
Toxic relationships and tattoos and all editions talk about Susan Collins,
he could be one hundred times more up than he is.
He'd never be as stuck as what we got in
Washington now. Anyway, I don't get bothered by it as much,
none of it. He's someone who had a drinking problem
as a marine.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Grand planner is popular even though he is flogged. He
is a flawed man, just like I'm a flogged man.
And this is the key. Everybody is flawed at some level.
No one's perfect. All politicians have baggage. That's my kind
of man. I would vote for.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Platinir Graham clearly made a mistake, and I've been on
CNN saying that what I appreciated about him is he
owned that mistake. You know what is disqualifying is having
a senator at Maine who just does Donald Trump's bidding.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
I'm gonna do everything I can't to make sure that
Grand Platner's the next Senator from.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
The state of Maine.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
If I lived in Maine, I would hold my.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Nose and I would pull as lever and I would
vote for him.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
His imperfections and imperfections that we can all identify with.
I don't think that he's a racist in anyway. Claire,
you hear that nobody's perfect. They went nobody's perfect on
Greg Platter, Nazi tattoo, sexual assault, nobody's perfect. Nobody's perfect.
Who among us hasn't gotten a Nazi tattoo? Who among
us hasn't been accused multiple times of sexual assault? Just
(17:19):
a normal guy. But I do think what that reflects
Buck is what we just said in the open, which is,
if this race had been close on Labor Day, all
the people jumping off the bandwagon right now would have
come right back on the bandwagon and said what they
are saying. Now, here's another question for you. Why is
he not being charged with rape? It might be Statute
(17:43):
ivitation did away with statute of limitations on in the
Blue Cities in the wake of me too. I'll look
up this. I haven't heard anybody talk about it. All
It was only a few years ago. We're not talking
about twenty years ago. Oh yeah, I question like, well,
it might not be enough evidence, you know, Well, that
would be something I'd be concerned about if I was
plattered to point out why I would have stayed in
the rates.
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(18:49):
and Buck. All right, I'm gonna build on the question
we were just talking about. You went to break doing research
here this again. Some of you are going to say, well,
what do you care about this story? I think that
the precedent of when you are accused of a crime
you have to drop out. We just automatically presume that
it's correct. If I were Grand Platiner or I were
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Grand Platinner's lawyer. He is accused of sexual assault in
Maine in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So that is five years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
They extended the statute of limitations as I thought they
did in Maine on sexual assault in twenty nineteen to
twenty years. If he raped this woman, then he should
be charged with rape in Maine as a crime, facing
years in prison. Buck, Now, you and I were talking
(19:45):
off air. A twenty year statute of limitations on sexual
assault is absolutely insane. Think about all the places you've
traveled in the last twenty years, trying to prove anything
on what did you do on a random night in
two thousand and six in September of two thousand and six.
(20:10):
Right now, somebody could say that person rape me, and
you have to prove you didn't rape someone in September
of two thousand and six.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I mean I could barely tell you where I was
in September of two thousand and six. You'd have to
go back and work pretty hard. Most of you would too,
to even know what city you were in, what state
you were in in September. And I'm using September of
two thousand and six because technically it would still be
within the statute of limitations. But if you are him,
(20:38):
I just all of this is crazy to me. I
don't get it now, Buck, Maybe there are other more
significant stories that are going to come out that are
even worse than what's already out there, and that is
really a part of this story.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
So we're not operating with full knowledge, but based on
what's out there right now, I would have come out
and said, hey, they should charge me if they think
I committed a rape, I'll talk to police officers.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I didn't do it. And I'm staying in this race.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
What I mean, there's it feels like there's something here
that isn't adding up with all of the way this
is playing out.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
They must have been able to have some kind of
conversation with him. Well, he said that they were going
to pull all this funding and everything. But I wonder
if there was more to it than even just that.
You said. There could be other stuff that comes out
but I have to say, I do believe this is
now a fatac compli. This is a done deal. He's out,
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and now I have to think, is this a more
competitive senency we're sitting?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
The answer according to the marketplace. You and I pay
attention to the Calshi and polymarket odds on who is
going to be elected, and as soon as Graham Platner
dropped out, the odds of Democrats winning surged.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Now you and I.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
May see this differently than the larger marketplace is, but
we'll wait and see who ends up being the nominee.
And by nominee I mean handpicked choice of the Democrat Party.
There are now a bunch of people who have thrown
their names in the hat. Because Buck, if you get
selected by July twenty seventh, this is not even that
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hard of a race, right, I mean, usually you have
to run for a Senate seat for over a year.
Here you're getting hand picked to be the nominee and
you only have to run a three month you know,
one hundred days. It's basically the same thing as Kamala
all over again. And if you win, you're a Senator
for six years and you only have to compaign them
(22:44):
for one hundred days. Here is what I would say,
Given all of the stuff in grand Platner's background, what
are the odds they picked somebody who also has awful
things in his background or her background.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
This is why I would go with Janet Mills if
I was them. She's old, She's eighty years old. She's
basically Susan Collins's age. There's not going to be any
sexual assault allegations against her. For sure.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I will I will make a huge donation to charity
if Janet Mills gets nominated and then she's immediately accused
of rape. So but she's already the governor. You would
think every negative thing that could be said about her
is already out there. She's been vetted. Because it would
be really funny, honestly, if they picked a new guy
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or gal and then that person also had another other
Nazi tattoo, be amazing.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But think about this, the voters of Maine. We're skipping
past this. The Democrat primary voters of Maine wanted this
guy instead of the governor. Yes, So what does that
tell you about how great she actually is as a candidate.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I think what it tells you is actually something significant
there's media and there is real people standards for behavior.
And I'll use Trump as an example. When Trump said
on the tape grab her by the pussy, Willow, I
think most people were like, I wish he hadn't said that,
but it was a joke, and also it sounds like
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something Trump might have said.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
But Buck. I always think this analogy is amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Billy Bush got fired for not being angry enough about
the joke.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
He couldn't stay on the Today Show.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
By media standards of behavior, Trump got elected President Buck,
his wife left him in New York City play.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
It was a moral It was a moral panic, the
same thing, the same kind of moral panic you had
with BLM, where you had cops and FBI agents taking
a knee and all this stuff, and people just there's
all this pressure around society, and social media amplifies this
and spreads it so rapidly. These massyesterius dare I say,
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these manufactured delusions, shameless plug are all over the place.
And I think that that that played out with the
with the me too thing as well, because you know,
the people who were being protected in the me too,
or rather the people that should have were basically big Democrats,
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and big Democrat donors who had gotten away with stuff
for a long time. That was what was never And
then it was are you think about it? Who were
the big takedowns of me too? Who actually did bad stuff?
It was obviously Harvey Weinstein, it was I mean, Charlie
Rose got me too, uh right, I know he did.
(25:41):
Matt Lauer got me. These are all super rich, super
connected Democrats. And who is the huge Republican they tried
to meet you Trump over? First of all, the tape,
which is saying something on a tape to a guy
is not you know, they wanted make it a hue
think It's not a huge thing, okay. And the other
(26:02):
thing is they tried to say a lot of stuff
about Trump that I think people just flatly did not believe.
But they weren't able to get anybody. They tried to
the Kavanaugh that was really a sort of a peak
me too moment. It was a lie. They lied to it.
So that was the thing. They weaponized the whole thing
for political purposes very quickly, and hope that nobody remembered
(26:23):
that the people that really did the bad stuff, and
there was bad stuff were Democrats.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Basically all of them by the way, they let Joe
Biden totally skate on. Really one of the most significant
not to mention Bill Clinton. Now that was pre the
Weeda broadery stuff. Now, that was nineteen ninety He was
accused of rape too. People forget this. People always want
to talk about the Monica thing. He was accused of
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sexual assault on the record by a woman that was
a real thing, that that knew him, that had contact
with him and everything.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
But the Joe Biden accusation was from it employee right
on his Senate staff. Pretty credible.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I mean, she went on she had told her mom,
she went I think her mom went on Larry King
and talked about it. If you remember that back in
the day. Now it was a long time ago, but
the Joe Biden sexual assault claim was very very uh
you know, legitimate, at least in the context of supporting evidence.
And it was a one day story on page A
twenty of the New York Times and then it just vanished.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well, Also, if you know anything about Bill Clinton's history,
I mean, he is a probably a sex addict or
close to it, and was an absolutely just absurd and grotesque,
philandering maniac. While the governor of Arkansas and then and
then while president as well. So it's pretty easy to
think that he might have gotten too handsy and maybe
(27:50):
a whole lot more with a woman at any point
in time. Right, they tried, they'll try to crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It's not as if to your point, the guy was
a uh, faithful husband for every other story, and then
one comes out and you say, I don't know, that
doesn't sound like the pattern that might have been applied there.
And of course we had, I mean, he lost his
law license and it went all the way. Who was
the woman who accused him of exposing herself back in
(28:19):
the day. I mean there were a lot of women,
and even to the point where James Carvill, remember they
coined the James Carvill and George Stepanopholis and now George
stepanovol is supposed to be like the moral arbiter for
ABC News. They Paula Jones, but they called it she
was the one who said that he exposed himself while he.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Was Kathleen Willie, I mean, I can give you by
the way here we go, well, I need a broad rick.
She alleged that Clinton raped her in a hotel room
in nineteen seventy eight, while he was Arkansas Attorney general.
Everybody the highest law enforcement official in the state. And
she's saying you raped there, and that was That's one
thing that came up. This was detailed in a nineteen
ninety nine Dayline NBC interview. Kathleen, was it Wilie or Willy?
(29:01):
I feel like it was Willy. It was Willy. Kathy, Yeah,
Kathleen Willie, former White House volunteer. She accused Clinton of
groping her fondlier breasts and forcing her head to his
crotch in the Oval office. In nineteen ninety three, independent
counsel found some inconsistencies in her statement. Clinton denied the claims.
That's from Wikipedia. Take that for what it's worth. Paula Jones,
(29:24):
former Arkansas state employee, that we follow a way to
the Supreme Court. If I remember buck over whether the
president had immunity to civil lawsuits during the if I
remember correctly during the course of the presidency, and I
think it was a maybe.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Scalia wrote the dissent, saying this is likely to be
used against presidents civil lawsuits, and you should be able
to postpone it till after you're in the presidency. Actually
looks quite prescient now. And then did you know about
Leslie Milwee. I didn't know about this woman. I was,
I was quite young at the time.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Clay, you know, was a much more seasoned elder statesman
during these periods of the nineties that Leslie Miili a
former television reporter. She accused Clinton of assaulting her multiple
times back in nineteen eighty when he was governor. So
the whole slew of women named on the record detailed
(30:19):
everything you know. And then of course with Paula Jones
and that led to Monica Lewinsky and Monica Winsky. That
was all true obviously on the dress and the whole thing.
But Democrats had no problem with any of it. Clint, Yes, correct,
no problem with any of it, which is what I
was going to say. James Carvill and George Stephanopoulos actually
coined the phrase if some of you remember it, to
(30:42):
prepare for this bimbo eruptions. Yes, do you remember that phrase?
They said.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
They tried to immediately say all of these are crazy stories,
like there's no legitimacy to him, And every time one
of them would bubble up, they would say, well, we
got another bimo eruption. I mean, which is, you know
that sounds like, by the way, a good name for
a fantasy football team out there, But Bimbo are a band.
(31:08):
Bimbo Eruptions was George Stevenopholis James Carvel's term for what
to expect as it pertained to this. So, yes, nobody
has clean hands on this. I do think the precedent
being set of in any way.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Hey, somebody mean nobody? What do you mean nobody has
clean hands on this? A lot of people have clean
hands on this. What are you talking?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I mean, I'm saying on the Democrat party side, nobody. Yes,
nobody has clean hands.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
No, But like I think, I think Kavanaugh hands. I
think these guys. I think you and I have clean hands.
I would like I have.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I have said from the get go, like this shouldn't
be for Democrat, Republican independent, the idea that somebody says
you did something to me and everybody just accepts that
it's true and you can't.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Do politic You're thinking about this too much like a
defense attorney. I think I think some of our listeners
right now, Clay, are like, aren't we just happy that
this that this jerk platner got kicked not I wish
he was still running. Was the next thing I was
going to say is I think the answer to that
is it actually would have been better.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
If he had stated yeah, I mean he was the
nominee selected. I think politically are yes. Politically, I think
Democrats are dodging the responsibility that their election created, which
is they picked a bad candidate, and I think he
should run, and I think he should be their nominee.
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Looking for normal in a world of crazy. Clay and
Buck have your back. Welcome back in here to Clay
and Buck. We will take some calls, some talkbacks, and
all of that good stuff. Podcast listener Tim from North Carolina,
let's start with him.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
F please, you know thinking of Platner's main reason for
dropping out that he can't fundraise and all of his
funds are being pulled. I guess this is what happens
when socialists run out of other people's money.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
It is very funny, Buck. I don't even buy that
he wasn't going to be able to raise funds again
if he were close in September, and he would be
because forty seven percent or whatever the math is of
people are going to go go vote straight Democrat, particularly
in main people would have started raising money for him again.
And I do think it's funny that he hasn't dropped
(34:41):
out any of the any of this so far.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
By the way, we got one talkback. Will you play
the lady who's upset at me for saying just go
buy new clothes. Let's have some fun with this. We
were giving travel tips and one of you was upset.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Who is that? It's in the talkbacks?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I mean it's I think it's talkback B or talkback A,
one of the top of the talkback list.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Play it must be nice to have enough money to
be able to get it.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Some of us who were Lutherant school teachers who chose
to serve others didn't make enough money to just fly
and then buy new clothes.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Each time when you're there for the weekend or whatever.
Don't fly that often. Because of that, I usually end
up having to drive.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Okay, I don't think people understand how cheap clothes are.
It costs fifty dollars to check a bag on many airlines.
Now for fifty dollars, you can go to Old Navy
and buy like four outfits. I went on the website
yesterday t shirts there are three dollars in ninety nine cents.
(35:50):
You can legitimately go to Old Navy in a decent
sized town and buy new outfits for cheaper than it
costs for you to check a bag.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
One bag. I think it's fifty dollars seventy five dollars
to Billy's one hundred dollars. It's crazy what they charge
to check bags. Now, clothes are cheaper than you think.
Just fired away. Thanks for doing your Lutheran work though,
all right, when we come back, very happy with the Lutherans.
Clay Clay's a bees Clay loves the big fan of
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Welcome in Thursday edition, Clay and Buck. We got a
ton of different stories to dive into with you.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Iran Strike's return.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
The Tyler Robinson hearing is ongoing, but we begin with
the news that happened yesterday evening. Graham Platner, Maine Senate
nominee for the Democrat Party. We've talked a lot about
all of his travails, all of the scandals that have
followed him.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, in an eleven.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Minute recorded statement which was loaded with a lot of
different attacks on a variety of different people, he has
dropped out of the nomination that he won. One hundred
and fifty six thousand people voted for him, and now
they are going to have a convention of sorts to
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pick a nominee to replace Graham Platner to run again,
Susan Collins in Maine. Buck, my biggest takeaway, I would
say I have two, and I'm curious what your biggest
takeaways and where we go from here. First, this is
the Democrat Party doing what they do, and if we
had an honest, assessed media, more than just us would
(01:20):
be pointing out, well, wait a minute, Joe Biden won
the Democrat primary and then they decided he couldn't win,
so they invalidated the votes of tens of millions of
Democrat primary voters and replaced him with Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And now one.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Hundred and fifty six thousand people just last month voted
for Graham Platner, and now they have canceled all those
out in favor of grand Democrat poohbahs. Who will a
few hundred of them be able to decide who the
nominee is?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Now? That is what kind of stand. Yeah, don't don't
I want you to get to point two. But don't
forget clay about the super delegates who stole the nomination
from Bernie Sanders himself in twenty sixteen. Well, Bernie was
gonna Bernie. They just couldn't have a socialist be the
Democrat nominee because if too many people figure out the
Democrats are socialists, the whole game is up. So the
(02:12):
super delegates gave it to Hillary, just.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
The super delegates when they actually got into hacking the emails,
the entire DNC rigged it for Hillary. Yeah, so I
mean super anti democratic. And Bernie has a right to
be angry about that, because I think he would have
been the nominee otherwise back in twenty sixteen second part
on this, and I bet you sign off on this
two buck. I don't care whether Graham Plattner wins the
(02:39):
Senate race. Obviously I disagree with him on almost every issue.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
And I bet I almost guarantee that you will sign
off on this too. If somebody ever accuses me of
something that I really didn't do, it is going to
make me double triple, quadruple win, tuppled down. I would
refuse to drop out of anything if somebody were saying, oh,
(03:06):
Clay Travis did X or Y, and I never did
it to me. This is actually incredible cowardice from Graham
Platner because to me, now he's branded.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I know he said, oh I didn't do it to me,
He's basically admitting that he actually did commit sexual assault.
Because if you accuse me of sexual assault, the last
thing I'm ever doing is letting you try to drag
my name into the mud by giving the credence of
your allegation such that I drop out. So those are
the two big takeaways that I have. But he is
(03:39):
pointing the finger at a lot of other people here.
He is cut one suspending his campaign the Oyster Farmer
once again, I suppose play one.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Amy and I struggled about getting into this last summer,
right around this time of year. We sat down and
we looked at each other and we said, if we
believe in the kind of politics we think that we do,
we have to do this. Over the past couple of days,
really yesterday and today, we have had to have that
(04:14):
exact same conversation. We believe that for the movement to continue,
it can't be made, and for that reason we are
suspending campaign operations.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, I actually think I think for Graham Plattner, this
is the wrong move. Yeah, and you and I saw
this the same way. So look, I also thought he
would push through because he was just days away from
being a nominee. I'm gonna tell you again from his perspective.
And now the deal is done. So who cares. I
think this was a mistake because of exactly what you said.
(04:53):
I think that now you go out a loser, a
loser that people think of as a guy who wouldn't
stand up for himself. You know, imagine for a second
if when the crazy allegations against it, Now these are
not crazy allegations, to be there is that distinction, which
we made yesterday, to be clear. But imagine you are
(05:14):
Brett Kavanaugh and you decide, oh, I just can't take
the heat. Yeah, Democrats for the next fifty years would
have just been saying we stopped a rapist from getting it.
And by the way, he wasn't even a I mean, well,
the first woman didn't even accuse him of rape. Wasn't
even clear what she was accusing him of other than
like some trying with her inappropriate a sexual assault. Even
(05:35):
if everything she said was true, Even if what she
said it had been true about him, I don't there
wouldn't have even been an arrestimate. The whole thing was insane.
And then they came up with later allegations which were
from objectively and obviously even crazier people. Point here being Clay.
He fought through it. Now he's on the Supreme Court,
and now any person of conscience, discernment and reason is like, yeah,
(05:58):
because they try to hit on him and it didn't work.
Where it's Thomas two right thing. Yeah, well, the stuff
against him was even I mean, it was even more ridiculously,
but it was like someone he said something that was
a naughty joke.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I mean, that's not even good me. I do think Buck.
This is also important, though, beyond Platiner or or Kavanaugh
or heg Seth or whoever you want to point to.
When you drop out, you actually set the set the
precedent that accusations that are denied are enough to derail candidacies.
(06:31):
And the voters have shown, whether it was with President Trump,
whether it was with a ton of different Ran Biden
people just shook it off that if you deny it,
and if you credibly push back against it, that they
will give the benefit of the doubt. It seems to
me the voters are actually more forgiving of false accusations
(06:54):
or even just accusations themselves than the media establishment is.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
So this is the this is the Platiner point of
you on this. He's essentially saying that he would continue
in this battle if you will, but they're taking all
of his ammunition away. They're making it impossible for him
to fight, so that he has no choice. This is
also from his social media post. This is cut three
(07:18):
play it.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Those in power who have the ability to do so
are using these allegations as an excuse to take away
all of the things that we need to run a campaign.
We are going to lose our ability to fundraise, we
are going to lose our ability to access voter data.
(07:38):
We are going to lose all of the things that
any campaign needs on the basic level simply to function.
Larger organizations, the national level, party, the bigger donor networks,
they have all committed to spending no money in this race.
If I'm in it, would rather see Susan Collins win
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than have me be the next senator from main.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Clay, I think this is his I think at the
very end there that is the assessment that's incorrect from
his perspective. I think if he had made it to
where he's the guy, they would have to they would
have to coalesce around. You know what an allegation is
not is not proof. He says he's an innocent man,
(08:26):
blah blah blah, Donald Trump blah blah blah other people,
and I do not believe they would have just Clay.
I believe the latest polling showed Platner even still ahead
of Janet Mills.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Of Mills or Collins, you mean if they were running
head to head the governor, he would still beat the governor, right, now.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
No, that he was better than the against Collins. He
is in a better position, you said, Janet Mills. I
thought the former who was the other Democrat governor I
think of of May that he ran against, So I
was getting he would still here.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Here's what I would say, he would still be the
pick even I think if they went to vote today,
he would beat Janet Mills in the Democrat primary. And
he's still basically head to head with Susan Collins in
the general. Right, So like the way this thing is
set up.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
But what I what I'm saying is what I saw
was that he's actually a better matchup for Collins even
still than his likeliest replacement. Yeah, I don't this is
going to turn into a mess. And where I agree
with you one hundred percent on is if he were
competitive in labor day right when when really the midterm start,
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all the people who said were never going to support
him would quietly find ways to funnel money to him,
because all they care about is power, and they don't
care who comes to power, and so all of this,
I just think it's a fundamental miscalculation. I think it's
a further sign.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You talked about it in the DNC, the Hillary Bernie,
in the Kamala Biden, and now in the Grand Platner situation,
Democrats have proven that they don't actually care at all
about the will of their voters, and so the entire
argument of democracy is on the ballot and all of
that is a total wide Let me also say this, Buck,
(10:25):
I don't understand why so many politicians treat losing as
a kin to death.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Maybe it's because I come from the world of sports.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
One guy who competes loses every time another guy goes
up against him. Right UFC boxing match, one team loses,
the other team wins, losing as a part of competition.
So for Graham Platner, I would just come back to this.
If he loses to Susan Collins and he loses by
(10:58):
five or six points, Let's say Susan conn Collins wins
fifty two, forty eight, fifty three, forty seven, something like that,
he's viable going forward. He can say, Hey, you know what,
I've got to be better person. I've got all these
different issues, But voters have ultimately come out and made
a decision. I think voters would not really turn away
from him. I just I don't buy that the same
(11:20):
people who showed up last month, one hundred and fifty
six thousand of them that gave him like seventy two
percent of the overall primary vote. I don't buy that
they're suddenly going to walk away from him. I think
you could almost put Adolph Hitler on the ballot in
Maine and forty seven percent of main voters would show
(11:41):
up because he's not Trump. They would be like, well,
you know, the guy's got a Nazi tattoo. The guy's
a Nazi, but at least he's not Trump. Forty seven
percent of people, at least in Maine are so broken
brain that they're just going to vote straight Democrat tack
the ticket. You made a good point the other day too.
There is no down ballot concern right. Unlike nationwide when
(12:02):
they bumped Joe Biden off, they were concerned about the Senate,
they were concerned about the House, and if he didn't
get enough support that there was gonna be overall down
ballot considerations. That doesn't exist in Maine. So I just
think this is Democrats being diabolical. And uh, I actually
think grand Platner made a poor decision.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well see, by the way, yes, there's some polls that show,
uh that it would it was better for Platiner to
be to stay in something that I've seen some show
mills is better. But the point is here, if you
are Platiner, I think you, I think you stay in
and and you don't, you don't do this.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I don't know, it's sol over. Maybe this is also
a part of it. Like to me, if you lose,
you just go back to your normal life. And if
you like your normal life, you're good. Was he gonna
go be an oyster farmer and sell his oysters back
to Mommy's restaurant?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I just I feel like this whole thing is absurd
on many different levels. Yeah. I think that it also
shows you how desperate the Democrats are to find anyone
who is just a normal dude, a normal white dude,
to run anywhere.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
This is really hard for them. One little bit of
news two hours ago. At least he has not officially
signed the papers. It's now Thursday. What if he just
totally flipped.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
What if he just didn't sign the papers.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Like I'm just saying, like you can say it can
just come out and put another video out and say
you know what, after this outpouring of support.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I've changed my mind. I'm staying in. Like it could
turn into even more of a clown show. It's what
he should do.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I don't think he'll do it, But according to this report,
he has not signed the papers to officially drop his
Maybe the check hasn't cleared yet, too official, because I
think there's probably a payoff that went on too here candidly.
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welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. You know,
we had to sit here and talk about how Grant
Plattnir has said he's out of that Main Center race.
It's gonna be a very interesting competitive race, or at least
it was going to be. We'll see what happens. Now,
we'll see what happens. But then there's also also Clay.
(15:27):
All of these people in the media who I think
still claim that they are paragons of virtue and honesty
and speaking truth to power without fear or favor, sir,
But they kind of just say whatever they have to
say in order to make sure a Democrat wins. That's
actually what happens that's actually how it goes. Here's a
(15:52):
montage of libs talking about how a little Nazi tattoo,
a little sexual assault allegation or a few and other things,
a little big deal play it.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
I don't give a if somebody had a toxic relationship.
Toxic relationships and tattoos and all editions talk about Susan Collins,
he could be one hundred times more up than he is.
He'd never be as stuck as what we got in
Washington now. Anyway, I don't get bothered by it as much,
none of it. He's someone who had a drinking problem
as a marine.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Grand planner is popular even though he is flogged. He
is a flawed man, just like I'm a flogged man.
And this is the key. Everybody is flawed at some level.
No one's perfect. All politicians have baggage. That's my kind
of man. I would vote for.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Platinir Graham clearly made a mistake, and I've been on
CNN saying that what I appreciated about him is he
owned that mistake. You know what is disqualifying is having
a senator at Maine who just does Donald Trump's bidding.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
I'm gonna do everything I can't to make sure that
Grand Platner's the next Senator from.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
The state of Maine.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
If I lived in Maine, I would hold my.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Nose and I would pull as lever and I would
vote for him.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
His imperfections and imperfections that we can all identify with.
I don't think that he's a racist in anyway. Claire,
you hear that nobody's perfect. They went nobody's perfect on
Greg Platter, Nazi tattoo, sexual assault, nobody's perfect. Nobody's perfect.
Who among us hasn't gotten a Nazi tattoo? Who among
us hasn't been accused multiple times of sexual assault? Just
(17:19):
a normal guy. But I do think what that reflects
Buck is what we just said in the open, which is,
if this race had been close on Labor Day, all
the people jumping off the bandwagon right now would have
come right back on the bandwagon and said what they
are saying. Now, here's another question for you. Why is
he not being charged with rape? It might be Statute
(17:43):
ivitation did away with statute of limitations on in the
Blue Cities in the wake of me too. I'll look
up this. I haven't heard anybody talk about it. All
It was only a few years ago. We're not talking
about twenty years ago. Oh yeah, I question like, well,
it might not be enough evidence, you know, Well, that
would be something I'd be concerned about if I was
plattered to point out why I would have stayed in
the rates.
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(18:49):
and Buck. All right, I'm gonna build on the question
we were just talking about. You went to break doing research
here this again. Some of you are going to say, well,
what do you care about this story? I think that
the precedent of when you are accused of a crime
you have to drop out. We just automatically presume that
it's correct. If I were Grand Platiner or I were
(19:12):
Grand Platinner's lawyer. He is accused of sexual assault in
Maine in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So that is five years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
They extended the statute of limitations as I thought they
did in Maine on sexual assault in twenty nineteen to
twenty years. If he raped this woman, then he should
be charged with rape in Maine as a crime, facing
years in prison. Buck, Now, you and I were talking
(19:45):
off air. A twenty year statute of limitations on sexual
assault is absolutely insane. Think about all the places you've
traveled in the last twenty years, trying to prove anything
on what did you do on a random night in
two thousand and six in September of two thousand and six.
(20:10):
Right now, somebody could say that person rape me, and
you have to prove you didn't rape someone in September
of two thousand and six.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I mean I could barely tell you where I was
in September of two thousand and six. You'd have to
go back and work pretty hard. Most of you would too,
to even know what city you were in, what state
you were in in September. And I'm using September of
two thousand and six because technically it would still be
within the statute of limitations. But if you are him,
(20:38):
I just all of this is crazy to me. I
don't get it now, Buck, Maybe there are other more
significant stories that are going to come out that are
even worse than what's already out there, and that is
really a part of this story.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
So we're not operating with full knowledge, but based on
what's out there right now, I would have come out
and said, hey, they should charge me if they think
I committed a rape, I'll talk to police officers.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I didn't do it. And I'm staying in this race.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
What I mean, there's it feels like there's something here
that isn't adding up with all of the way this
is playing out.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
They must have been able to have some kind of
conversation with him. Well, he said that they were going
to pull all this funding and everything. But I wonder
if there was more to it than even just that.
You said. There could be other stuff that comes out
but I have to say, I do believe this is
now a fatac compli. This is a done deal. He's out,
(21:34):
and now I have to think, is this a more
competitive senency we're sitting?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
The answer according to the marketplace. You and I pay
attention to the Calshi and polymarket odds on who is
going to be elected, and as soon as Graham Platner
dropped out, the odds of Democrats winning surged.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Now you and I.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
May see this differently than the larger marketplace is, but
we'll wait and see who ends up being the nominee.
And by nominee I mean handpicked choice of the Democrat Party.
There are now a bunch of people who have thrown
their names in the hat. Because Buck, if you get
selected by July twenty seventh, this is not even that
(22:23):
hard of a race, right, I mean, usually you have
to run for a Senate seat for over a year.
Here you're getting hand picked to be the nominee and
you only have to run a three month you know,
one hundred days. It's basically the same thing as Kamala
all over again. And if you win, you're a Senator
for six years and you only have to compaign them
(22:44):
for one hundred days. Here is what I would say,
Given all of the stuff in grand Platner's background, what
are the odds they picked somebody who also has awful
things in his background or her background.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
This is why I would go with Janet Mills if
I was them. She's old, She's eighty years old. She's
basically Susan Collins's age. There's not going to be any
sexual assault allegations against her. For sure.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I will I will make a huge donation to charity
if Janet Mills gets nominated and then she's immediately accused
of rape. So but she's already the governor. You would
think every negative thing that could be said about her
is already out there. She's been vetted. Because it would
be really funny, honestly, if they picked a new guy
(23:30):
or gal and then that person also had another other
Nazi tattoo, be amazing.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But think about this, the voters of Maine. We're skipping
past this. The Democrat primary voters of Maine wanted this
guy instead of the governor. Yes, So what does that
tell you about how great she actually is as a candidate.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I think what it tells you is actually something significant
there's media and there is real people standards for behavior.
And I'll use Trump as an example. When Trump said
on the tape grab her by the pussy, Willow, I
think most people were like, I wish he hadn't said that,
but it was a joke, and also it sounds like
(24:13):
something Trump might have said.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
But Buck. I always think this analogy is amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Billy Bush got fired for not being angry enough about
the joke.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
He couldn't stay on the Today Show.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
By media standards of behavior, Trump got elected President Buck,
his wife left him in New York City play.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
It was a moral It was a moral panic, the
same thing, the same kind of moral panic you had
with BLM, where you had cops and FBI agents taking
a knee and all this stuff, and people just there's
all this pressure around society, and social media amplifies this
and spreads it so rapidly. These massyesterius dare I say,
(24:56):
these manufactured delusions, shameless plug are all over the place.
And I think that that that played out with the
with the me too thing as well, because you know,
the people who were being protected in the me too,
or rather the people that should have were basically big Democrats,
(25:16):
and big Democrat donors who had gotten away with stuff
for a long time. That was what was never And
then it was are you think about it? Who were
the big takedowns of me too? Who actually did bad stuff?
It was obviously Harvey Weinstein, it was I mean, Charlie
Rose got me too, uh right, I know he did.
(25:41):
Matt Lauer got me. These are all super rich, super
connected Democrats. And who is the huge Republican they tried
to meet you Trump over? First of all, the tape,
which is saying something on a tape to a guy
is not you know, they wanted make it a hue
think It's not a huge thing, okay. And the other
(26:02):
thing is they tried to say a lot of stuff
about Trump that I think people just flatly did not believe.
But they weren't able to get anybody. They tried to
the Kavanaugh that was really a sort of a peak
me too moment. It was a lie. They lied to it.
So that was the thing. They weaponized the whole thing
for political purposes very quickly, and hope that nobody remembered
(26:23):
that the people that really did the bad stuff, and
there was bad stuff were Democrats.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Basically all of them by the way, they let Joe
Biden totally skate on. Really one of the most significant
not to mention Bill Clinton. Now that was pre the
Weeda broadery stuff. Now, that was nineteen ninety He was
accused of rape too. People forget this. People always want
to talk about the Monica thing. He was accused of
(26:49):
sexual assault on the record by a woman that was
a real thing, that that knew him, that had contact
with him and everything.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
But the Joe Biden accusation was from it employee right
on his Senate staff. Pretty credible.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I mean, she went on she had told her mom,
she went I think her mom went on Larry King
and talked about it. If you remember that back in
the day. Now it was a long time ago, but
the Joe Biden sexual assault claim was very very uh
you know, legitimate, at least in the context of supporting evidence.
And it was a one day story on page A
twenty of the New York Times and then it just vanished.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well, Also, if you know anything about Bill Clinton's history,
I mean, he is a probably a sex addict or
close to it, and was an absolutely just absurd and grotesque,
philandering maniac. While the governor of Arkansas and then and
then while president as well. So it's pretty easy to
think that he might have gotten too handsy and maybe
(27:50):
a whole lot more with a woman at any point
in time. Right, they tried, they'll try to crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It's not as if to your point, the guy was
a uh, faithful husband for every other story, and then
one comes out and you say, I don't know, that
doesn't sound like the pattern that might have been applied there.
And of course we had, I mean, he lost his
law license and it went all the way. Who was
the woman who accused him of exposing herself back in
(28:19):
the day. I mean there were a lot of women,
and even to the point where James Carvill, remember they
coined the James Carvill and George Stepanopholis and now George
stepanovol is supposed to be like the moral arbiter for
ABC News. They Paula Jones, but they called it she
was the one who said that he exposed himself while he.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Was Kathleen Willie, I mean, I can give you by
the way here we go, well, I need a broad rick.
She alleged that Clinton raped her in a hotel room
in nineteen seventy eight, while he was Arkansas Attorney general.
Everybody the highest law enforcement official in the state. And
she's saying you raped there, and that was That's one
thing that came up. This was detailed in a nineteen
ninety nine Dayline NBC interview. Kathleen, was it Wilie or Willy?
(29:01):
I feel like it was Willy. It was Willy. Kathy, Yeah,
Kathleen Willie, former White House volunteer. She accused Clinton of
groping her fondlier breasts and forcing her head to his
crotch in the Oval office. In nineteen ninety three, independent
counsel found some inconsistencies in her statement. Clinton denied the claims.
That's from Wikipedia. Take that for what it's worth. Paula Jones,
(29:24):
former Arkansas state employee, that we follow a way to
the Supreme Court. If I remember buck over whether the
president had immunity to civil lawsuits during the if I
remember correctly during the course of the presidency, and I
think it was a maybe.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Scalia wrote the dissent, saying this is likely to be
used against presidents civil lawsuits, and you should be able
to postpone it till after you're in the presidency. Actually
looks quite prescient now. And then did you know about
Leslie Milwee. I didn't know about this woman. I was,
I was quite young at the time.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Clay, you know, was a much more seasoned elder statesman
during these periods of the nineties that Leslie Miili a
former television reporter. She accused Clinton of assaulting her multiple
times back in nineteen eighty when he was governor. So
the whole slew of women named on the record detailed
(30:19):
everything you know. And then of course with Paula Jones
and that led to Monica Lewinsky and Monica Winsky. That
was all true obviously on the dress and the whole thing.
But Democrats had no problem with any of it. Clint, Yes, correct,
no problem with any of it, which is what I
was going to say. James Carvill and George Stephanopoulos actually
coined the phrase if some of you remember it, to
(30:42):
prepare for this bimbo eruptions. Yes, do you remember that phrase?
They said.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
They tried to immediately say all of these are crazy stories,
like there's no legitimacy to him, And every time one
of them would bubble up, they would say, well, we
got another bimo eruption. I mean, which is, you know
that sounds like, by the way, a good name for
a fantasy football team out there, But Bimbo are a band.
(31:08):
Bimbo Eruptions was George Stevenopholis James Carvel's term for what
to expect as it pertained to this. So, yes, nobody
has clean hands on this. I do think the precedent
being set of in any way.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Hey, somebody mean nobody? What do you mean nobody has
clean hands on this? A lot of people have clean
hands on this. What are you talking?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I mean, I'm saying on the Democrat party side, nobody. Yes,
nobody has clean hands.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
No, But like I think, I think Kavanaugh hands. I
think these guys. I think you and I have clean hands.
I would like I have.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I have said from the get go, like this shouldn't
be for Democrat, Republican independent, the idea that somebody says
you did something to me and everybody just accepts that
it's true and you can't.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Do politic You're thinking about this too much like a
defense attorney. I think I think some of our listeners
right now, Clay, are like, aren't we just happy that
this that this jerk platner got kicked not I wish
he was still running. Was the next thing I was
going to say is I think the answer to that
is it actually would have been better.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
If he had stated yeah, I mean he was the
nominee selected. I think politically are yes. Politically, I think
Democrats are dodging the responsibility that their election created, which
is they picked a bad candidate, and I think he
should run, and I think he should be their nominee.
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Speaker 2 (33:49):
Looking for normal in a world of crazy. Clay and
Buck have your back. Welcome back in here to Clay
and Buck. We will take some calls, some talkbacks, and
all of that good stuff. Podcast listener Tim from North Carolina,
let's start with him.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
F please, you know thinking of Platner's main reason for
dropping out that he can't fundraise and all of his
funds are being pulled. I guess this is what happens
when socialists run out of other people's money.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
It is very funny, Buck. I don't even buy that
he wasn't going to be able to raise funds again
if he were close in September, and he would be
because forty seven percent or whatever the math is of
people are going to go go vote straight Democrat, particularly
in main people would have started raising money for him again.
And I do think it's funny that he hasn't dropped
(34:41):
out any of the any of this so far.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
By the way, we got one talkback. Will you play
the lady who's upset at me for saying just go
buy new clothes. Let's have some fun with this. We
were giving travel tips and one of you was upset.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Who is that? It's in the talkbacks?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I mean it's I think it's talkback B or talkback A,
one of the top of the talkback list.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Play it must be nice to have enough money to
be able to get it.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Some of us who were Lutherant school teachers who chose
to serve others didn't make enough money to just fly
and then buy new clothes.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Each time when you're there for the weekend or whatever.
Don't fly that often. Because of that, I usually end
up having to drive.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Okay, I don't think people understand how cheap clothes are.
It costs fifty dollars to check a bag on many airlines.
Now for fifty dollars, you can go to Old Navy
and buy like four outfits. I went on the website
yesterday t shirts there are three dollars in ninety nine cents.
(35:50):
You can legitimately go to Old Navy in a decent
sized town and buy new outfits for cheaper than it
costs for you to check a bag.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
One bag. I think it's fifty dollars seventy five dollars
to Billy's one hundred dollars. It's crazy what they charge
to check bags. Now, clothes are cheaper than you think.
Just fired away. Thanks for doing your Lutheran work though,
all right, when we come back, very happy with the Lutherans.
Clay Clay's a bees Clay loves the big fan of
the Lutherans. They're beautiful people, those Lutherans beautiful. You want
(36:21):
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