June 9, 2026 • 36 mins
In Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show, the hosts deliver a wide-ranging discussion covering breaking political news, cultural commentary, and criminal justice debates, making this opening hour a dense mix of election analysis and trending national headlines. The hour begins with a focus on key primary elections across the United States, including South Carolina, Maine, Nevada, and North Dakota, with particular attention on the Maine race and expectations surrounding candidate performances, as well as early momentum in California where Republican Steve Hilton appears poised to advance to a high-profile runoff. The hosts also preview upcoming interviews and highlight concerns about election integrity, especially in California voting systems.
A major segment of Hour 1 centers on President Donald Trump’s appearance at Madison Square Garden during a New York Knicks game, which Clay and Buck frame as a culturally significant moment in the intersection of sports, politics, and media narratives. They analyze reactions from fans, commentary from NBA Commissioner Adam Silver, and broader questions about the NBA’s political activism, arguing that the league may be shifting away from its previously “woke” positioning. The discussion expands into a broader critique of politics in sports, media bias, and public reactions to Trump as a New York figure.
The hour also dives into law and order issues, including the high-profile murder case involving Carmelo Anthony (unrelated to the former NBA player), which has gone to a jury after a fatal stabbing at a Texas school event. This leads into a deeper debate about the criminal justice system, violent crime, and the death penalty, with the hosts arguing for faster legal processes in cases involving clear video evidence. They also discuss the role of organizations like the Innocence Project and evolving standards around evidence such as DNA.
Another major topic in Hour 1 is the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) controversy, following a congressional hearing led by Jim Jordan and allegations involving misuse of funds and the classification of political opponents on “hate lists.” Clay and Buck criticize the organization’s influence in shaping narratives around extremism and racism, while also discussing broader issues around free speech, political labeling, and ideological bias in watchdog groups.
The hosts briefly address international tensions, noting breaking news that Iran reportedly downed a U.S. Apache helicopter in the Strait of Hormuz, raising concerns about escalation and the stability of a potential ceasefire. This adds a foreign policy dimension to the hour’s coverage.
Finally, Hour 1 concludes with a discussion of election security and voter fraud, emphasizing skepticism around mail-in voting, calls for voter ID laws, and the importance of distinguishing credible election concerns from unsupported claims. The hosts stress that election integrity remains a central issue heading into future races, especially in battleground states.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in to the Tuesday edition of Clay and Buck.
It is a big primary day out there, South Carolina, Maine, Nevada,
North Dakota. As we are fully into primary season, in
particular Maine Grand Platner. We will see exactly what the
(00:21):
impact has been of the revelation surrounding Graham Platner, if
at all. With those primary votes coming in in the
state of Maine, South Carolina, big decision, tons of people
running on both the governors and the Senate side. In
the Republican primary in general, we will see what the
outcome is there Nevada, North Dakota as well. Everybody get
(00:45):
out and vote. I think the main primary by far
is going to be the biggest storyline, even though we
suspect that Graham Platner is going to win. We'll get
a little bit of a read on how many people
vote for Susan Collins even though she's basically unopposed, and
how many people again vote for Graham Platner. And as
I mentioned, South Carolina is going to be a major
(01:06):
revelation in many ways. Okay, Buck, and by the way, California,
let me give you a rundown of where we are
headed Steve Hilton has advanced to the runoff in California.
He is going to be one of the two contenders.
So while the LA Area LA County Area voting has
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been very suspicious and looked quite out landish and outrageous
in many ways. It is not officially official yet, but
according to Calshie and Polymarket Buck, Steve Hilton ninety nine
percent chance that he is going to advance. The AP
has not yet called it. Several places have called it
(01:54):
as a Steve Hilton versus Javier Bessera overall runof off
in California, but the I would say it still feels
a bit rotten in California in the way that the
LA voting went down. We will ask Steve Hilton about that.
He's going to join us at one o'clock. Senator Tobby
(02:14):
Tubberville of Alabama, soon to be the next governor of Alabama,
will be on with us at two, and then Ainsley Earhart,
who many of you begin your day with on Fox
and Friends in the morning, is going to be with
us in the back end of the program in the
third hour as well. But Buck, it's rare I say this,
(02:34):
but the American Sporting I turned itself to Madison Square
Garden last night, where President Trump was in attendance. You
and the President are both big Knicks fans, and I
think this is culturally significant. And some of you are
going to say, Okay, Clay, what are you talking about
(02:56):
with the overall cultural significance. Here is Adam silver This
is the commissioner of the NBA. I have ripped the
NBA to high heavens because they put Black Lives Matter
on the basketball court in twenty twenty, because they put
political slogans on the back of guy's jerseys instead of
their actual names. Because Lebron James has been a woke imbecile,
(03:19):
so has Steve Kerr, so has Greg Popovich, so has
Adam silver Buck. I don't know if you remember this,
but I would argue that in many ways, the woke
era of the NBA began when Adam silver decided to
pull the All Star Game out of Charlotte, North Carolina
over a transgender bathroom bill. A lot of people don't
(03:43):
even remember this, but the state of North Carolina was
actually ahead of the curve and they said, hey, you
know what, we don't think that people pretending to be
a different gender should be able to use whatever bathroom
they want to use. You should use the bathroom of
your actual gender. This is not a crazy idea, but
(04:03):
the NBA said, oh, my goodness, how in the world
can we ever play our All Star game here? They
pulled their All Star game out of Charlotte Buck. This
then opened the NBA up because people said, wait a minute,
you play games in China, you play games at Mexico,
you guys play games in the Middle East. Are you
now saying that where you play a basketball game is
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in some way a reflection of whether you approve of
the politics there. It all blew up on Adam Silver's face.
And this really exploded in Hong Kong when Darryl Moray,
a general manager of the Houston Rockets at the time, said, hey,
we should have free speech basically in Hong Kong and
China cut off the NBA. Adam Silver last night Buck
(04:46):
he said this when he was asked in the pregame
about President Trump cut seven.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You know, I've been with the league for a long time.
I ran NBA Entertainment years ago. He did any Levekins
game spot with us. He was a fixed year at
NBA Madison Square gardens. Do you guys remember who all
of you when you played here? Not Draymond, but back
in the old days, he had courtside seats. He was
here all the time, he was at draft. So he's
a genuine Knicks fan. And so yes, there's some inconvenience
(05:13):
to the fans here, but one looking around.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
At the arena, it's packed.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So people listened, they came early, they got through whatever
extra security, which is necessary. So, as I said, I
think we should be using sports to create more of
a sense of community with people, not less.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
This is a complete repudiation of much of the Silver
era buck and it feels significant culturally to me. You
are a Knicks fan, what say you?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Well, First of all, the reception that Trump got was
mixed from the fans in terms of the booing that happened.
I listened, I was watching, I was watching the game
with my brothers. There were people that were not booing, obviously,
but there were many who boo. And it is a
reminder to me that people do not put Trump in
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the proper context a lot of the time. He is
in many ways the ultimate New Yorker. He is the
New York president. I mean, you'd have to go back
quite a ways for another president to be as of
the city and environs of New York as he is.
He's a queen's guy who became a Manhattan baron of building,
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and he's he is a quintessential New Yorker, and yet
New York, because it has gone so woke and so
left wing, does not even claim him really so much
so that now I think people view him more as
a Palm Beach Florida guy, which he has been as
well in a sense, but that's really his country home
(06:40):
or his getaway. He's a New York guy, and I
just think it's a shame that the culture of New
York has for so many I know a lot of
people saying, well, I don't feel that way, and of
course I don't either, But because it's an eight to
one Democrat or Republican city, there's not the sense of
pride that you would think that a son of New
(07:02):
York would have as being the two term president. So
that's one thing that it was a reminder of last night.
A little frustrating. I think Adam Silver's point here on
sports should be unity. I mean, it sounds like sounds
like he's taking a Clay Travis line there, and it's
but it's really I think what amount in the common sense,
(07:22):
it would be great to see that the NBA has
been really among the most woke of all leagues and
the most divisive, which is why I stopped being a
Knicks fan, stop watching the NBA.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
But the president going to the game.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Look, he's a showman and he likes a big you know,
he likes a big event, whatever it may be.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
And I think that other than the fact that the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Lost last night, and I think the officiating, I'm just
gonna say it, I think the officiating was a little,
a little weak, a little little pro san antone.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
I don't know if they I.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Love that in five years you are now the who
comes on and says, I don't know about this officiating, Like, uh.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
You know, I mean that that call where he had
Brunson get called with a flagrant because he didn't protect
the landing space for the feet of the shooter.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
I mean the shooter.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Kicked his legout. I'm sorry, you kick your legout. You
know that's on you anyway. Anyway, we don't need to
get too into it. It's felt it felt a little, uh,
a little like they need to go back some of
these reps and read the rule book a little more closely.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
But no, I thought last night with Trump being there,
added to sort of the spectacle and.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
The pageantry of it.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I also think that if you, uh, here, here's a
question for you, if if it were Biden, and assume
that he knew where he was. If it were Biden,
who were at the event, Clay and you with some
of your very sports connected friends were sitting courtside, because
we all know it's where Clay would be sitting. He'd
be right there with Timouthi, Challemet and Ben Stiller, and
(09:00):
I like to sit next to Larry David, who is
one of the great sitcom creators of all time with Kurr.
I mean, he might throw something at you when he
realized what you do for a living. But that's okay.
But Clay, I truly look, you can't know, rather, you
can't prove this unless you're in this situation. I wouldn't
boo a US president like this. I think it's classless.
(09:23):
Even if I don't like what the president's doing or
whatever he is the president, there's some respect for the
office and I think when a president shows up to
a sporting event, that actually should be respect the office,
respect that the president's there. And I think that booing
a president is classless, regardless of party.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
I really do.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
And people might get mad at Oh you would you
you should boo Obama if he was at the game.
I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
You and I agree one percent on this, And look,
I understand. Look, everybody has the right.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
I wouldn't stand up and cheer wildly, be like, oh love,
I'm not gonna sell out everything, but I'm not gonna boo.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I think this is a look.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
One of the all time great quotes by any sports
figure was Michael Jordan saying Republicans by Sneakers Too.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
He has admitted that he said it.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I wrote a book called Republicans by Sneakers Too, where
basically I argued that Adam Silver should be doing exactly
what he did, and it's taken him a decade to
get there. But there are tens of millions of people
who love basketball and also love President Trump. If you're
in the business of putting on a basketball game, I
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want everybody who loves basketball to watch, and a lot
of people have stopped doing that. The data reflects that
the NBA lost a ton of fans. I think Adam
Silver is acknowledging it. I think Lebron, James, Steve Kerr,
Greg Popovich, they all led the NBA over a woke waterfall,
which was a disaster for the league. And I think
(11:00):
President Trump has in many ways rectified that. And I
think Trump even said cut three. They asked him, hey,
is the NBA left wing? And here's what he said again, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
A tougher again the.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Left wing, not that they weren't getting criticized for wutch
a little left wing, I think, so it tends to
be a little bit.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Left wing, but it was it's great entertainment, great.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So I think President Trump, I do think this is
culturally significant and some people are going to disagree, but
it is impossible to have imagined this kind of thing
existing in twenty twenty and when President Trump, when the
Black Lives Matter was written on the court, when there
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were political slogans on the jerseys. And I think it's
important to acknowledge and note when cultural wins are moving
back in the direction of sanity. And that's what I
thought last night represented in many ways. And by the way,
President Trump is still getting attacked by did you see
this ridiculous quote from Hakeem Jefferies, who may be the
(12:06):
biggest dork in politics. Did you see him in the
pink Knicks hat buck? He's going to be in theory
the next Speaker of the House. Here's what he said,
cut eight, attacking Trump over the Knicks.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Listen, It's not clear to me that Donald Trump is
a big Knicks fan. I mean, does this guy even
know the difference between Karl Rove and Karl Anthony Towns.
I don't think so. He's just injecting himself into the
NBA finals because he just always has to bring the
(12:39):
Maga circus into town.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
And that's unfortunately, it's just not true.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
I mean, people know, go go to the Knicks have
been for a long time as they are as an
NBA team is in any major city, it's a place
to see NB seen. And Trump has both of those
things seen and been saw there. I don't know how
to say that, you know they have seen him there,
(13:05):
So yes, no, Trump is as a long time Nicks fan,
and anyway, it's just you know, Hakeem Jeffrey, it's just
so petty and dumb.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
He's not a smart guy.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
So I also the fact that he could potentially be
the Speaker of the House is unbelievable to me. I mean,
just because he's I think a moron, and and also
just never says anything interesting. He's got dead eyes, he's
not particularly charismatic. The only reason that he is the
head of the Democrat Party now is because he's a
black guy.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
He was the interview, he was the interview right before
me last time. I think there were maybe the time
before that, I did Bill Maher and I just remember thinking,
this is such a boring interview. He has nothing to say.
It's not even I disagree with what he says. It's just,
you know, sometimes you'll hear you know, Bernie Sanders is
a clown and his whole political philosophy is essentially a fraud.
But put that aside, he will say some kooky, crazy stuff.
(13:55):
So you're like, oh God, here we go, right, Hakim
Jeffries is just he And what has he ever said
that has been remotely entertaining. I just think it's funny
that Trump has now managed to turn the Knicks into
a political landmine, and most people will agree with Adam Silver,
and I give him credit and nikeem jefferys a huge
loser and zero charisma, and I can't imagine that he's
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going to be a very good leader regardless. He's certainly
not now, but if he ever were the speaker, he's
going to be even less. It's also amazing if there
are guys on that on that floor. You know, we're
in America today and we hear a lot still from
the left, particularly about like you know, institutional racism, and
you know, this country is so unequal in all this stuff.
There are a lot of and you know, they've they've
earned the right, and they're the elite of the elite
(14:39):
in terms of their profession of basketball. They're guys in
the floor making fifty million dollars a year in salary, yes, salary, yes, yeah,
imagine a whole bunch of them. I mean, and every
one of those starters, Clay has got to be making
eight figures, I mean at least oh yeah, guys, you know, ten,
fifteen to twenty million bucks a year. Yes, you know,
(15:02):
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you know, calm down, everybody, calm down.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
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Welcome back in here too, Clay and Buck. We are
going to be talking to you here in a moment
about the Carmelo Anthony case, which Clay has just told
me has now gone to a jury. Just as a
reminder and I clarify, Carmelo Anthony is also the name
of a very famous basketball player. This is a completely
(16:56):
separate issue. Carmelo Anthony is the accused murderer of Austin Metcalf, who,
if you recall, this was that story at a Texas
high school track meet where there was some verbal dispute
and Carmelo Anthony and there's the facts are agreed upon
(17:20):
with regard to this pull the knife out and stabbed
Austin Metcalf in the heart and killed them right there,
broad daylight, front of hundreds and hundreds of.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
People at a school event.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
And people are very upset about this, understandably so. And
there was a rallying around Carmelo Anthony by some members
of the black community that seemed pretty disgraceful to the
rest of us.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
And we are.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Now going to talk about where that case stands. It's
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Speaker 3 (18:53):
Welcome back in Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
We're rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program. By
the way, there is a hearing that is underway right now.
The Southern Poverty Law Center is being grilled. Chairman Jim
Jordan is hosting the Southern Poverty Law Center right now
and grilling them.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
On the fact Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
We've talked about this a little bit, but the Department
of Justice has brought charges. According to the opening statement
from Jim Jordan, which I watched and I've read some
of these charges that have been brought.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Southern Poverty Law.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Center has given four million dollars two different groups, including
the KKK, to stage hate crimes so that they can
raise more money. Talking about the need to fight hate
in America, you and I have talked about this on
the program for some time. I do think it's worthy
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of continuing to ram home here. We can't even name
a prominent racist in America today that truly believes in
white supremacist and has any measure of.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Political power whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
And it is the case that there are so few
people that actually espouse those positions that the Southern Poverty
Law Center can't just report on this and cover it.
They actually have to pay for hate so that they
can then point to it and say.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Look at what we have to fight.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I do think this is a pretty significant indictment the
Trump Department of Justice has brought.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Look, they are both arsonist and firefighter, as the old
phrase goes, and that should tell you a lot about
the state of racism in this country. They should be
just the firefighter putting out those racism fires everywhere. But
the most prominent race hate cases in recent years are
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invariably when it comes to an anti black racism in particular,
thinking about things like justice small, they are a hoax
of one kind or another. So why is it that
there are these hoax cases that get so much attention
initially not known as a hoax. Of course, if there's
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so much racism everywhere, it should be easy if you
told me find an instance of a for example, of
a black assailant brutally murdering a white person in this
country where there could at least be an implied racial bias,
I could find one, probably every day for the last year,
certainly within forty eight hours, certainly within a forty eight
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hour span, if not a twenty four hour spent. These
things happen regularly. They happen weekly, perhaps daily, depends on
where you are. And yet we don't talk about that.
You know, we just saw that Irena Zerutzka's killer was
declared once again to be mentally incompetent. Well, you'd ask.
So the way that this works now is that a
black guy who is clearly insane and dangerous cannot be
(21:58):
incarcerated for being an insane dangerous person until he murders
somebody in cold blood in the most vicious possible way,
just because he did in an act of evil which
was caught on video. And there's supposed to be no
policy change. There's nothing to be done about it. We're
told by those who are really I don't know, pro crime,
(22:19):
pro criminal, refuse to take these things with the seriousness
that they deserve. I mean, I'm also and I've evolved
on this one, and people can send me.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
But you're a Catholic and Catholics disagree.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Okay, well, maybe I'm not a perfect Catholic, which I
don't think any Catholics are. I think that we should
have far more death penalty in this country. I think
we should have the death penalty much faster. I think, Clay,
you and I have grown up in an era where
the propaganda around this stuff, whether it's the Innocence Project,
which as far as I can see, really gets a
lot of glee out of using technicalities to get people off.
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We're often based on the totality of the evidence quite
clearly guilty to me. And we even had like the
Central Park five situation, which when I tell people the
actual evidence that was presented in court versus the documentary
and the ken Burn stuff and what they're they are shocked,
shocked to find out what really happened and what real
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evidence was there that was never but you know, people
come along and they say that for the purposes of
social justice or racial justice, they are going to make
a declaration that overrides the jury. And that's I think grotesque.
I think it's wrong. And of the Southern Poverty Law Center,
the narrative that they tell us, which is that there's
all this horrible anti black racism all over the country
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all the time is alive. And we know it's alive,
but now we know even more that it's alive. And
I'm saying, you know, violent, vicious ku klux Klan lynchings.
I'm amazed at how many people I have to explain
to that that lynchings were mostly against people who were
not black. Yeah, this is this is something that isn't
And people say, oh no, they want to fight, they
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want to.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Argue with me on this. No, they're wrong.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Lynch law comes from Charles Lynch from the Revolution, who
is a revolutionary era constable the American Revolution. My friends,
we're punishing white people, including with severe physical punishment. That's
where the whole term comes from. There have been lynchings
going on through American history. It's just extra judicial justice.
And it was essentially used to mean specifically anti black
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in a racist violence extra judicial punishment in more modern usage.
But that's actually not the origin of the term, and
that's not actually historically the full facts of the matter.
So Clay, Yeah, the Southern poverty law centers should be
held to account for this, for manufacturing racism.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yes, and we're going to have a couple of cuts
from that.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I would point out on your death penalty analysis more
and more, Buck, there's actual video. Because we live in
such a surveillance Leyden world, there's actual video now often
times of people committing murders. We can get beyond a
reasonable doubt in a way that was not possible even
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thirty or forty years ago. Okay, we know exactly what
is happening in many of these cases.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
It is very common.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
You mentioned the Arena Zuruitska case. We know exactly what
happened in that case. That guy murdered her in cold
blood on video. There is no uncertainty, and there are
a lot of those cases now where we watch him,
we see the violent act perpetrated live because there's just
so many cameras.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Let me play this.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Can I also point out that what they've done with
the with the Innocence Project is they've gone. And this
was also, you know, OJ was the first time that
they really started using DNA in a high profile case
in this way, and there were some you know, the science,
if you will, was still getting to the point. Now,
of course OJ was guilty and all that, but the
science was getting to a point where, you know, they
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weren't and also the standardization of it. They weren't collecting
DNA at all these places. They weren't, and so now
the back they say, oh, well the DNA doesn't match.
Oh there's some problem with the DNA, and they'll say
that everything else, all the witness testimony and all the
circumstantial evidence and everything should be thrown out because of DNA.
That's getting harder to do now because now they're really
locked down with the DNA. So really the Innocence Project
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is built upon casting doubt on what was essentially an
imperfect science, but also a lot of other stuff going
on around that to convict people. And now we're all
supposed to be told that that's great clay. The other
thing is people say the death penalty takes so long, Yeah,
it shouldn't. It shouldn't take twenty years or whatever to
actually execute somebody. But this is because there's these groups
they'll pay for it, and the endless appeals, the endless appeals,
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and oh my gosh, we actually can know. We can
know these things whether someone did something. By the way,
if there's any real doubt, yeah, then I don't think
a judge should if there's a you know, a beyond
a reasonable doubt, it should be the actual standard. If
there is a reasonable doubt, then I think you do
air on the side of life obviously, even if the
slightest doubt can be considered reasonable. But you know, we
(26:59):
got people on video, but the guy are are we
to pretend like we don't know that he did it?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Also Gui gim Angioni, the guys
on video, and Arena Zurutzka. This, by the way, while
we're talking about Southern Poverty Law Center, I saw this
clip and I thought it was worth pointing out they
have put the Southern Poverty Law Center has for a
long time right wing is in quotation marks because a
(27:26):
lot of these people are not even right wing, they're
just common sense. They had Charlie Kirk on their hate
list and this was the current CEO Brian Fair being asked,
do you regret Southern Poverty Law Center having Charlie Kirk
on the group's hate list in the wake of his
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assassination Cut twenty four.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
Your organization has labeled doctor King and Charlie Kirk and others.
Do you regret that? Will you recant it? Or are
you going to double down and say that these people,
including the martyred Charlie Kirk, in fact, somehow deserved to
be on your hate list, or they're constantly talking about
bringing people together, talking about the teachings of the Bible
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and the like. Congressman I said, as I said in
my statement, Now wait a second, no, no, I heard
your statement. I only want an answer to your question
in eleven seconds left. Are you going to recant yes
or no? Will you take back any part of that?
Or is your hateless stand as your position of your
organization as it's head today.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
ESPLC will continue to expose hate and extremism.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
So there is the charges being brought, But I do
think that's pretty significant anyone out there, regardless of what
you think of Charlie Kirk, could you characterize what he
did as being worthy of being placed on a hate list.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
This is where it became a tool clay of the
left and of the propaganda and of the wokeness and
the sense inship and the power to suppress and to
destroy people for their beliefs. The whole point of the
Southern Poverty Law Center became for leftists because it is
a leftist organization, just like by the way, the ACLU
is a leftist organization devoted to the destruction of America
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as we know it and in fact, the undermining of
Western civilization under the pretense of caring about civil rights.
It's a you know, their fifth columnist from within our society.
The Southern Poverty Law Center wanted to put someone like
and they did, to be clear, they did this, But
the whole point is they put a Charlie Kirk on
a list that is also a list that you could
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put some neo Nazi skinhead on who says that, you know,
he wants to eradicate all people who are non white
or whatever. It is an actually morally reprehensible person, maybe
even a dangerous person. They put Charlie Kirk on that
list because they want to shut him up because he
doesn't think you know, God rest his soul. But you
know he didn't think, nor do we that two hundred
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pound men who say their women should be able to
compete against actual women in sports. That gets you in
the SPLC world. That gets you on the same list
as some guy who wants to bring about the Fourth Reich.
That gets you on the same list if you say
that you don't think we should have wide open borders
and have third worlders from everywhere who break our laws
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and come here without ursay soho, and then go on
welfare right away and then scam our system. If you
think that's a problem, Clay, the Southern Poverty Law Center
wants you to know that you're going to be on
a list alongside people who are Hitler fans. That's that's
the power of that organization really was to silence conservatives
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under the pretense that they were fighting hate.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
By the way, breaking news.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
In addition to the fact that that hearing is going on,
President Trump just posted I've been informed by our great
military that last night the Iranian shot down one of
our highly sophisticated Apache helicopters while patrolling over the straight
of Horror Moves. There were two pilots involved. Both are
safe and uninjured. Nevertheless, the United States must of necessity
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respond to this attack. Thank you for your attention to
this matter, President Donald J.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
Trump.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
So there had been talk that there was going to
be a ceasefire moving quicker than expected, maybe positive direction.
We'll see exactly how extensive this is, buck, But that
news just coming down in the last five minutes. I
have told you all how I've felt this trajectory was
(31:39):
going for many weeks now, and I just stand beyond
what I said.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
I hope that we get good news here at some point,
but I am not. I'm not betting on that in
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I heard at I gotta say they are stepping it
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catalog right roll with it. Is that Steve Winwood. That's
a great, great song. Clay, Do you know this tune? No,
you got it, but you gotta put it right on
your Spotify. It's like one of it. A little bit
(33:25):
was this?
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I feel like this was part of the Harry Carey
wgn ARAB Chicago Cubs games like that was like kind
of the lead end I have.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I mean, I have no idea what you're talking about.
I just know that Steve Winwood is A is a
underappreciated gem of eighties eighties music. So that's a great tune.
I just wanted everyone to if you don't have that
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put on when you're like, you know, if you're cleaning
up the kitchen at night, or you're taking out the trash,
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(33:55):
can't listen to that, right, Producer, Mike, You're you're a
little grumpy about hairband music. Steve Winwood, you love, you
love Steve Winwood. Right, definitely see Steve Wente. If you
got producer Mic on your team, you can't lose Steve
Winwood is A is you know, you can't be in
a bad mood listening to that guy. All Right, we
got we had Steve well, we had Steve Hilton coming up.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
That's a transition.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Steve Hilton coming up shortly here and we got a
VIP email. You know, he's a guy who's running for
governor in California as a Republican and actually has a
real shot and looks like he's advanced to the to
the runoff VIP email from John Can you ask Steve
Hilton what he thinks the California election results would be
if over three million illegal aliens in the state were
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not also registered voters via vot voters.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
We're going to talk about this enough, guys.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
The election fraud conversation is important, but you have to
be specific. And here's why. I will tell you this.
In twenty twenty, for Clan and I were teamed. We
are a lot of people very outraged about the twenty
twenty vote count for Trump, and I was among them.
But there were different groups here. There were the people
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who were saying things like, hey, people in Georgia voted
in the wrong county. That's against the rules. You have
to vote in the county you're actually in. You know,
there were real and then there was that fight in Pennsylvania,
for example, over over delayed ballot counting. Like those are
things that are real, that are a problem that you
you know, don't tell me that the North Koreans, the Venezuelans,
(35:32):
and the Martian people colluded and hacked into voting machines,
and because then you undermine all the actual stuff that's happening.
So what I'm saying, Clay is we're gonna talk voter fraud.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Yes, we all have a.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Gut feeling that something funky is going on. Be specific,
when people throw out things that are easily discarded as false,
it undermines you see what I'm saying, It undermines all
the actual problems that were identifying with any voter fraud.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
And also, I mean I think ultimately this is where
President Trump is right on it.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
It's vote by mail. It's vote by mail. It's vote
by mail.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
They have figured out ways to get as many ballots
in their hands as they possibly can in the mail ballots.
And this is why we have to have in person
voting period with ID. I mean, this is not remotely controversial.
Eighty percent ish of Americans agree with it. The fact
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that our Senate can't pass a bill on this that
eighty percent of people, by the way, black, white, Asian, Hispanic,
everybody agrees because we have to show ID to do
almost everything. Showing an ID to vote is not a
barrier to voting. It in fact, should be the law
in the land.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Everywhere.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
We'll talk about this with Steve Hilton next
Welcome in to the Tuesday edition of Clay and Buck.
It is a big primary day out there, South Carolina, Maine, Nevada,
North Dakota. As we are fully into primary season, in
particular Maine Grand Platner. We will see exactly what the
(00:21):
impact has been of the revelation surrounding Graham Platner, if
at all. With those primary votes coming in in the
state of Maine, South Carolina, big decision, tons of people
running on both the governors and the Senate side. In
the Republican primary in general, we will see what the
outcome is there Nevada, North Dakota as well. Everybody get
(00:45):
out and vote. I think the main primary by far
is going to be the biggest storyline, even though we
suspect that Graham Platner is going to win. We'll get
a little bit of a read on how many people
vote for Susan Collins even though she's basically unopposed, and
how many people again vote for Graham Platner. And as
I mentioned, South Carolina is going to be a major
(01:06):
revelation in many ways. Okay, Buck, and by the way, California,
let me give you a rundown of where we are
headed Steve Hilton has advanced to the runoff in California.
He is going to be one of the two contenders.
So while the LA Area LA County Area voting has
(01:31):
been very suspicious and looked quite out landish and outrageous
in many ways. It is not officially official yet, but
according to Calshie and Polymarket Buck, Steve Hilton ninety nine
percent chance that he is going to advance. The AP
has not yet called it. Several places have called it
(01:54):
as a Steve Hilton versus Javier Bessera overall runof off
in California, but the I would say it still feels
a bit rotten in California in the way that the
LA voting went down. We will ask Steve Hilton about that.
He's going to join us at one o'clock. Senator Tobby
(02:14):
Tubberville of Alabama, soon to be the next governor of Alabama,
will be on with us at two, and then Ainsley Earhart,
who many of you begin your day with on Fox
and Friends in the morning, is going to be with
us in the back end of the program in the
third hour as well. But Buck, it's rare I say this,
(02:34):
but the American Sporting I turned itself to Madison Square
Garden last night, where President Trump was in attendance. You
and the President are both big Knicks fans, and I
think this is culturally significant. And some of you are
going to say, Okay, Clay, what are you talking about
(02:56):
with the overall cultural significance. Here is Adam silver This
is the commissioner of the NBA. I have ripped the
NBA to high heavens because they put Black Lives Matter
on the basketball court in twenty twenty, because they put
political slogans on the back of guy's jerseys instead of
their actual names. Because Lebron James has been a woke imbecile,
(03:19):
so has Steve Kerr, so has Greg Popovich, so has
Adam silver Buck. I don't know if you remember this,
but I would argue that in many ways, the woke
era of the NBA began when Adam silver decided to
pull the All Star Game out of Charlotte, North Carolina
over a transgender bathroom bill. A lot of people don't
(03:43):
even remember this, but the state of North Carolina was
actually ahead of the curve and they said, hey, you
know what, we don't think that people pretending to be
a different gender should be able to use whatever bathroom
they want to use. You should use the bathroom of
your actual gender. This is not a crazy idea, but
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the NBA said, oh, my goodness, how in the world
can we ever play our All Star game here? They
pulled their All Star game out of Charlotte Buck. This
then opened the NBA up because people said, wait a minute,
you play games in China, you play games at Mexico,
you guys play games in the Middle East. Are you
now saying that where you play a basketball game is
(04:24):
in some way a reflection of whether you approve of
the politics there. It all blew up on Adam Silver's face.
And this really exploded in Hong Kong when Darryl Moray,
a general manager of the Houston Rockets at the time, said, hey,
we should have free speech basically in Hong Kong and
China cut off the NBA. Adam Silver last night Buck
(04:46):
he said this when he was asked in the pregame
about President Trump cut seven.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You know, I've been with the league for a long time.
I ran NBA Entertainment years ago. He did any Levekins
game spot with us. He was a fixed year at
NBA Madison Square gardens. Do you guys remember who all
of you when you played here? Not Draymond, but back
in the old days, he had courtside seats. He was
here all the time, he was at draft. So he's
a genuine Knicks fan. And so yes, there's some inconvenience
(05:13):
to the fans here, but one looking around.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
At the arena, it's packed.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So people listened, they came early, they got through whatever
extra security, which is necessary. So, as I said, I
think we should be using sports to create more of
a sense of community with people, not less.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
This is a complete repudiation of much of the Silver
era buck and it feels significant culturally to me. You
are a Knicks fan, what say you?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Well, First of all, the reception that Trump got was
mixed from the fans in terms of the booing that happened.
I listened, I was watching, I was watching the game
with my brothers. There were people that were not booing, obviously,
but there were many who boo. And it is a
reminder to me that people do not put Trump in
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the proper context a lot of the time. He is
in many ways the ultimate New Yorker. He is the
New York president. I mean, you'd have to go back
quite a ways for another president to be as of
the city and environs of New York as he is.
He's a queen's guy who became a Manhattan baron of building,
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and he's he is a quintessential New Yorker, and yet
New York, because it has gone so woke and so
left wing, does not even claim him really so much
so that now I think people view him more as
a Palm Beach Florida guy, which he has been as
well in a sense, but that's really his country home
(06:40):
or his getaway. He's a New York guy, and I
just think it's a shame that the culture of New
York has for so many I know a lot of
people saying, well, I don't feel that way, and of
course I don't either, But because it's an eight to
one Democrat or Republican city, there's not the sense of
pride that you would think that a son of New
(07:02):
York would have as being the two term president. So
that's one thing that it was a reminder of last night.
A little frustrating. I think Adam Silver's point here on
sports should be unity. I mean, it sounds like sounds
like he's taking a Clay Travis line there, and it's
but it's really I think what amount in the common sense,
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it would be great to see that the NBA has
been really among the most woke of all leagues and
the most divisive, which is why I stopped being a
Knicks fan, stop watching the NBA.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
But the president going to the game.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Look, he's a showman and he likes a big you know,
he likes a big event, whatever it may be.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
And I think that other than the fact that the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Lost last night, and I think the officiating, I'm just
gonna say it, I think the officiating was a little,
a little weak, a little little pro san antone.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
I don't know if they I.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Love that in five years you are now the who
comes on and says, I don't know about this officiating, Like, uh.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
You know, I mean that that call where he had
Brunson get called with a flagrant because he didn't protect
the landing space for the feet of the shooter.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
I mean the shooter.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Kicked his legout. I'm sorry, you kick your legout. You
know that's on you anyway. Anyway, we don't need to
get too into it. It's felt it felt a little, uh,
a little like they need to go back some of
these reps and read the rule book a little more closely.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
But no, I thought last night with Trump being there,
added to sort of the spectacle and.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
The pageantry of it.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I also think that if you, uh, here, here's a
question for you, if if it were Biden, and assume
that he knew where he was. If it were Biden,
who were at the event, Clay and you with some
of your very sports connected friends were sitting courtside, because
we all know it's where Clay would be sitting. He'd
be right there with Timouthi, Challemet and Ben Stiller, and
(09:00):
I like to sit next to Larry David, who is
one of the great sitcom creators of all time with Kurr.
I mean, he might throw something at you when he
realized what you do for a living. But that's okay.
But Clay, I truly look, you can't know, rather, you
can't prove this unless you're in this situation. I wouldn't
boo a US president like this. I think it's classless.
(09:23):
Even if I don't like what the president's doing or
whatever he is the president, there's some respect for the
office and I think when a president shows up to
a sporting event, that actually should be respect the office,
respect that the president's there. And I think that booing
a president is classless, regardless of party.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
I really do.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
And people might get mad at Oh you would you
you should boo Obama if he was at the game.
I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
You and I agree one percent on this, And look,
I understand. Look, everybody has the right.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
I wouldn't stand up and cheer wildly, be like, oh love,
I'm not gonna sell out everything, but I'm not gonna boo.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I think this is a look.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
One of the all time great quotes by any sports
figure was Michael Jordan saying Republicans by Sneakers Too.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
He has admitted that he said it.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I wrote a book called Republicans by Sneakers Too, where
basically I argued that Adam Silver should be doing exactly
what he did, and it's taken him a decade to
get there. But there are tens of millions of people
who love basketball and also love President Trump. If you're
in the business of putting on a basketball game, I
(10:39):
want everybody who loves basketball to watch, and a lot
of people have stopped doing that. The data reflects that
the NBA lost a ton of fans. I think Adam
Silver is acknowledging it. I think Lebron, James, Steve Kerr,
Greg Popovich, they all led the NBA over a woke waterfall,
which was a disaster for the league. And I think
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President Trump has in many ways rectified that. And I
think Trump even said cut three. They asked him, hey,
is the NBA left wing? And here's what he said again, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
A tougher again the.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Left wing, not that they weren't getting criticized for wutch
a little left wing, I think, so it tends to
be a little bit.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Left wing, but it was it's great entertainment, great.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So I think President Trump, I do think this is
culturally significant and some people are going to disagree, but
it is impossible to have imagined this kind of thing
existing in twenty twenty and when President Trump, when the
Black Lives Matter was written on the court, when there
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were political slogans on the jerseys. And I think it's
important to acknowledge and note when cultural wins are moving
back in the direction of sanity. And that's what I
thought last night represented in many ways. And by the way,
President Trump is still getting attacked by did you see
this ridiculous quote from Hakeem Jefferies, who may be the
(12:06):
biggest dork in politics. Did you see him in the
pink Knicks hat buck? He's going to be in theory
the next Speaker of the House. Here's what he said,
cut eight, attacking Trump over the Knicks.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Listen, It's not clear to me that Donald Trump is
a big Knicks fan. I mean, does this guy even
know the difference between Karl Rove and Karl Anthony Towns.
I don't think so. He's just injecting himself into the
NBA finals because he just always has to bring the
(12:39):
Maga circus into town.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
And that's unfortunately, it's just not true.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
I mean, people know, go go to the Knicks have
been for a long time as they are as an
NBA team is in any major city, it's a place
to see NB seen. And Trump has both of those
things seen and been saw there. I don't know how
to say that, you know they have seen him there,
(13:05):
So yes, no, Trump is as a long time Nicks fan,
and anyway, it's just you know, Hakeem Jeffrey, it's just
so petty and dumb.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
He's not a smart guy.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
So I also the fact that he could potentially be
the Speaker of the House is unbelievable to me. I mean,
just because he's I think a moron, and and also
just never says anything interesting. He's got dead eyes, he's
not particularly charismatic. The only reason that he is the
head of the Democrat Party now is because he's a
black guy.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
He was the interview, he was the interview right before
me last time. I think there were maybe the time
before that, I did Bill Maher and I just remember thinking,
this is such a boring interview. He has nothing to say.
It's not even I disagree with what he says. It's just,
you know, sometimes you'll hear you know, Bernie Sanders is
a clown and his whole political philosophy is essentially a fraud.
But put that aside, he will say some kooky, crazy stuff.
(13:55):
So you're like, oh God, here we go, right, Hakim
Jeffries is just he And what has he ever said
that has been remotely entertaining. I just think it's funny
that Trump has now managed to turn the Knicks into
a political landmine, and most people will agree with Adam Silver,
and I give him credit and nikeem jefferys a huge
loser and zero charisma, and I can't imagine that he's
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going to be a very good leader regardless. He's certainly
not now, but if he ever were the speaker, he's
going to be even less. It's also amazing if there
are guys on that on that floor. You know, we're
in America today and we hear a lot still from
the left, particularly about like you know, institutional racism, and
you know, this country is so unequal in all this stuff.
There are a lot of and you know, they've they've
earned the right, and they're the elite of the elite
(14:39):
in terms of their profession of basketball. They're guys in
the floor making fifty million dollars a year in salary, yes, salary, yes, yeah,
imagine a whole bunch of them. I mean, and every
one of those starters, Clay has got to be making
eight figures, I mean at least oh yeah, guys, you know, ten,
fifteen to twenty million bucks a year. Yes, you know,
(15:02):
America is such a rough, awful place, so racist, Like,
you know, calm down, everybody, calm down.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
It's a hard putt to sink.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
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Speaker 4 (16:34):
Welcome back in here too, Clay and Buck. We are
going to be talking to you here in a moment
about the Carmelo Anthony case, which Clay has just told
me has now gone to a jury. Just as a
reminder and I clarify, Carmelo Anthony is also the name
of a very famous basketball player. This is a completely
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separate issue. Carmelo Anthony is the accused murderer of Austin Metcalf, who,
if you recall, this was that story at a Texas
high school track meet where there was some verbal dispute
and Carmelo Anthony and there's the facts are agreed upon
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with regard to this pull the knife out and stabbed
Austin Metcalf in the heart and killed them right there,
broad daylight, front of hundreds and hundreds of.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
People at a school event.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
And people are very upset about this, understandably so. And
there was a rallying around Carmelo Anthony by some members
of the black community that seemed pretty disgraceful to the
rest of us.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
And we are.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Now going to talk about where that case stands. It's
something that indicates I think a lot about not just
the criminal justice system, but there's also a oh well,
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Speaker 3 (18:53):
Welcome back in Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
We're rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program. By
the way, there is a hearing that is underway right now.
The Southern Poverty Law Center is being grilled. Chairman Jim
Jordan is hosting the Southern Poverty Law Center right now
and grilling them.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
On the fact Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
We've talked about this a little bit, but the Department
of Justice has brought charges. According to the opening statement
from Jim Jordan, which I watched and I've read some
of these charges that have been brought.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Southern Poverty Law.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Center has given four million dollars two different groups, including
the KKK, to stage hate crimes so that they can
raise more money. Talking about the need to fight hate
in America, you and I have talked about this on
the program for some time. I do think it's worthy
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of continuing to ram home here. We can't even name
a prominent racist in America today that truly believes in
white supremacist and has any measure of.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Political power whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
And it is the case that there are so few
people that actually espouse those positions that the Southern Poverty
Law Center can't just report on this and cover it.
They actually have to pay for hate so that they
can then point to it and say.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Look at what we have to fight.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I do think this is a pretty significant indictment the
Trump Department of Justice has brought.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Look, they are both arsonist and firefighter, as the old
phrase goes, and that should tell you a lot about
the state of racism in this country. They should be
just the firefighter putting out those racism fires everywhere. But
the most prominent race hate cases in recent years are
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invariably when it comes to an anti black racism in particular,
thinking about things like justice small, they are a hoax
of one kind or another. So why is it that
there are these hoax cases that get so much attention
initially not known as a hoax. Of course, if there's
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so much racism everywhere, it should be easy if you
told me find an instance of a for example, of
a black assailant brutally murdering a white person in this
country where there could at least be an implied racial bias,
I could find one, probably every day for the last year,
certainly within forty eight hours, certainly within a forty eight
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hour span, if not a twenty four hour spent. These
things happen regularly. They happen weekly, perhaps daily, depends on
where you are. And yet we don't talk about that.
You know, we just saw that Irena Zerutzka's killer was
declared once again to be mentally incompetent. Well, you'd ask.
So the way that this works now is that a
black guy who is clearly insane and dangerous cannot be
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incarcerated for being an insane dangerous person until he murders
somebody in cold blood in the most vicious possible way,
just because he did in an act of evil which
was caught on video. And there's supposed to be no
policy change. There's nothing to be done about it. We're
told by those who are really I don't know, pro crime,
(22:19):
pro criminal, refuse to take these things with the seriousness
that they deserve. I mean, I'm also and I've evolved
on this one, and people can send me.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
But you're a Catholic and Catholics disagree.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Okay, well, maybe I'm not a perfect Catholic, which I
don't think any Catholics are. I think that we should
have far more death penalty in this country. I think
we should have the death penalty much faster. I think, Clay,
you and I have grown up in an era where
the propaganda around this stuff, whether it's the Innocence Project,
which as far as I can see, really gets a
lot of glee out of using technicalities to get people off.
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We're often based on the totality of the evidence quite
clearly guilty to me. And we even had like the
Central Park five situation, which when I tell people the
actual evidence that was presented in court versus the documentary
and the ken Burn stuff and what they're they are shocked,
shocked to find out what really happened and what real
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evidence was there that was never but you know, people
come along and they say that for the purposes of
social justice or racial justice, they are going to make
a declaration that overrides the jury. And that's I think grotesque.
I think it's wrong. And of the Southern Poverty Law Center,
the narrative that they tell us, which is that there's
all this horrible anti black racism all over the country
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all the time is alive. And we know it's alive,
but now we know even more that it's alive. And
I'm saying, you know, violent, vicious ku klux Klan lynchings.
I'm amazed at how many people I have to explain
to that that lynchings were mostly against people who were
not black. Yeah, this is this is something that isn't
And people say, oh no, they want to fight, they
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want to.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Argue with me on this. No, they're wrong.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Lynch law comes from Charles Lynch from the Revolution, who
is a revolutionary era constable the American Revolution. My friends,
we're punishing white people, including with severe physical punishment. That's
where the whole term comes from. There have been lynchings
going on through American history. It's just extra judicial justice.
And it was essentially used to mean specifically anti black
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in a racist violence extra judicial punishment in more modern usage.
But that's actually not the origin of the term, and
that's not actually historically the full facts of the matter.
So Clay, Yeah, the Southern poverty law centers should be
held to account for this, for manufacturing racism.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yes, and we're going to have a couple of cuts
from that.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I would point out on your death penalty analysis more
and more, Buck, there's actual video. Because we live in
such a surveillance Leyden world, there's actual video now often
times of people committing murders. We can get beyond a
reasonable doubt in a way that was not possible even
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thirty or forty years ago. Okay, we know exactly what
is happening in many of these cases.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
It is very common.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
You mentioned the Arena Zuruitska case. We know exactly what
happened in that case. That guy murdered her in cold
blood on video. There is no uncertainty, and there are
a lot of those cases now where we watch him,
we see the violent act perpetrated live because there's just
so many cameras.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Let me play this.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Can I also point out that what they've done with
the with the Innocence Project is they've gone. And this
was also, you know, OJ was the first time that
they really started using DNA in a high profile case
in this way, and there were some you know, the science,
if you will, was still getting to the point. Now,
of course OJ was guilty and all that, but the
science was getting to a point where, you know, they
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weren't and also the standardization of it. They weren't collecting
DNA at all these places. They weren't, and so now
the back they say, oh, well the DNA doesn't match.
Oh there's some problem with the DNA, and they'll say
that everything else, all the witness testimony and all the
circumstantial evidence and everything should be thrown out because of DNA.
That's getting harder to do now because now they're really
locked down with the DNA. So really the Innocence Project
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is built upon casting doubt on what was essentially an
imperfect science, but also a lot of other stuff going
on around that to convict people. And now we're all
supposed to be told that that's great clay. The other
thing is people say the death penalty takes so long, Yeah,
it shouldn't. It shouldn't take twenty years or whatever to
actually execute somebody. But this is because there's these groups
they'll pay for it, and the endless appeals, the endless appeals,
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and oh my gosh, we actually can know. We can
know these things whether someone did something. By the way,
if there's any real doubt, yeah, then I don't think
a judge should if there's a you know, a beyond
a reasonable doubt, it should be the actual standard. If
there is a reasonable doubt, then I think you do
air on the side of life obviously, even if the
slightest doubt can be considered reasonable. But you know, we
(26:59):
got people on video, but the guy are are we
to pretend like we don't know that he did it?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Also Gui gim Angioni, the guys
on video, and Arena Zurutzka. This, by the way, while
we're talking about Southern Poverty Law Center, I saw this
clip and I thought it was worth pointing out they
have put the Southern Poverty Law Center has for a
long time right wing is in quotation marks because a
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lot of these people are not even right wing, they're
just common sense. They had Charlie Kirk on their hate
list and this was the current CEO Brian Fair being asked,
do you regret Southern Poverty Law Center having Charlie Kirk
on the group's hate list in the wake of his
(27:46):
assassination Cut twenty four.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
Your organization has labeled doctor King and Charlie Kirk and others.
Do you regret that? Will you recant it? Or are
you going to double down and say that these people,
including the martyred Charlie Kirk, in fact, somehow deserved to
be on your hate list, or they're constantly talking about
bringing people together, talking about the teachings of the Bible
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and the like. Congressman I said, as I said in
my statement, Now wait a second, no, no, I heard
your statement. I only want an answer to your question
in eleven seconds left. Are you going to recant yes
or no? Will you take back any part of that?
Or is your hateless stand as your position of your
organization as it's head today.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
ESPLC will continue to expose hate and extremism.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
So there is the charges being brought, But I do
think that's pretty significant anyone out there, regardless of what
you think of Charlie Kirk, could you characterize what he
did as being worthy of being placed on a hate list.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
This is where it became a tool clay of the
left and of the propaganda and of the wokeness and
the sense inship and the power to suppress and to
destroy people for their beliefs. The whole point of the
Southern Poverty Law Center became for leftists because it is
a leftist organization, just like by the way, the ACLU
is a leftist organization devoted to the destruction of America
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as we know it and in fact, the undermining of
Western civilization under the pretense of caring about civil rights.
It's a you know, their fifth columnist from within our society.
The Southern Poverty Law Center wanted to put someone like
and they did, to be clear, they did this, But
the whole point is they put a Charlie Kirk on
a list that is also a list that you could
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put some neo Nazi skinhead on who says that, you know,
he wants to eradicate all people who are non white
or whatever. It is an actually morally reprehensible person, maybe
even a dangerous person. They put Charlie Kirk on that
list because they want to shut him up because he
doesn't think you know, God rest his soul. But you
know he didn't think, nor do we that two hundred
(29:58):
pound men who say their women should be able to
compete against actual women in sports. That gets you in
the SPLC world. That gets you on the same list
as some guy who wants to bring about the Fourth Reich.
That gets you on the same list if you say
that you don't think we should have wide open borders
and have third worlders from everywhere who break our laws
(30:18):
and come here without ursay soho, and then go on
welfare right away and then scam our system. If you
think that's a problem, Clay, the Southern Poverty Law Center
wants you to know that you're going to be on
a list alongside people who are Hitler fans. That's that's
the power of that organization really was to silence conservatives
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under the pretense that they were fighting hate.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
By the way, breaking news.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
In addition to the fact that that hearing is going on,
President Trump just posted I've been informed by our great
military that last night the Iranian shot down one of
our highly sophisticated Apache helicopters while patrolling over the straight
of Horror Moves. There were two pilots involved. Both are
safe and uninjured. Nevertheless, the United States must of necessity
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respond to this attack. Thank you for your attention to
this matter, President Donald J.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
Trump.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
So there had been talk that there was going to
be a ceasefire moving quicker than expected, maybe positive direction.
We'll see exactly how extensive this is, buck, But that
news just coming down in the last five minutes. I
have told you all how I've felt this trajectory was
(31:39):
going for many weeks now, and I just stand beyond
what I said.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
I hope that we get good news here at some point,
but I am not. I'm not betting on that in
the meantime, although obviously the good news here is the
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Speaker 4 (33:00):
I heard at I gotta say they are stepping it
up here with Steve Winwood, guys, I celebrate his whole
catalog right roll with it. Is that Steve Winwood. That's
a great, great song. Clay, Do you know this tune? No,
you got it, but you gotta put it right on
your Spotify. It's like one of it. A little bit
(33:25):
was this?
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I feel like this was part of the Harry Carey
wgn ARAB Chicago Cubs games like that was like kind
of the lead end I have.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I mean, I have no idea what you're talking about.
I just know that Steve Winwood is A is a
underappreciated gem of eighties eighties music. So that's a great tune.
I just wanted everyone to if you don't have that
one on your Spotify, and it's a great one to
put on when you're like, you know, if you're cleaning
up the kitchen at night, or you're taking out the trash,
you got your headphones in or something. It's just you
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can't listen to that, right, Producer, Mike, You're you're a
little grumpy about hairband music. Steve Winwood, you love, you
love Steve Winwood. Right, definitely see Steve Wente. If you
got producer Mic on your team, you can't lose Steve
Winwood is A is you know, you can't be in
a bad mood listening to that guy. All Right, we
got we had Steve well, we had Steve Hilton coming up.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
That's a transition.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Steve Hilton coming up shortly here and we got a
VIP email. You know, he's a guy who's running for
governor in California as a Republican and actually has a
real shot and looks like he's advanced to the to
the runoff VIP email from John Can you ask Steve
Hilton what he thinks the California election results would be
if over three million illegal aliens in the state were
(34:41):
not also registered voters via vot voters.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
We're going to talk about this enough, guys.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
The election fraud conversation is important, but you have to
be specific. And here's why. I will tell you this.
In twenty twenty, for Clan and I were teamed. We
are a lot of people very outraged about the twenty
twenty vote count for Trump, and I was among them.
But there were different groups here. There were the people
(35:08):
who were saying things like, hey, people in Georgia voted
in the wrong county. That's against the rules. You have
to vote in the county you're actually in. You know,
there were real and then there was that fight in Pennsylvania,
for example, over over delayed ballot counting. Like those are
things that are real, that are a problem that you
you know, don't tell me that the North Koreans, the Venezuelans,
(35:32):
and the Martian people colluded and hacked into voting machines,
and because then you undermine all the actual stuff that's happening.
So what I'm saying, Clay is we're gonna talk voter fraud.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Yes, we all have a.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Gut feeling that something funky is going on. Be specific,
when people throw out things that are easily discarded as false,
it undermines you see what I'm saying, It undermines all
the actual problems that were identifying with any voter fraud.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
And also, I mean I think ultimately this is where
President Trump is right on it.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
It's vote by mail. It's vote by mail. It's vote
by mail.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
They have figured out ways to get as many ballots
in their hands as they possibly can in the mail ballots.
And this is why we have to have in person
voting period with ID. I mean, this is not remotely controversial.
Eighty percent ish of Americans agree with it. The fact
(36:32):
that our Senate can't pass a bill on this that
eighty percent of people, by the way, black, white, Asian, Hispanic,
everybody agrees because we have to show ID to do
almost everything. Showing an ID to vote is not a
barrier to voting. It in fact, should be the law
in the land.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Everywhere.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
We'll talk about this with Steve Hilton next
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