April 14, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show opens with a mix of upbeat economic news, serious political fallout, and the show’s trademark cultural banter, setting the tone for a fast‑moving and wide‑ranging hour. Clay begins by highlighting what he sees as clear economic momentum under President Donald Trump, noting that the Iran naval blockade appears to be working as intended, with crude oil prices falling and both the S&P 500 and Dow Jones Industrial Average pushing toward record highs. Clay emphasizes that listeners who avoided panic during recent geopolitical tensions and tariff scares are being rewarded, as retirement accounts and 401(k)s are rebounding strongly—underscoring a recurring theme of market confidence and economic stability tied to Trump’s policies.
The hour then pivots to one of the most dramatic political collapses in recent memory: the downfall of California Congressman Eric Swalwell. Clay and Buck explain that Swalwell, once a leading favorite to become California’s next governor, has now not only withdrawn from the governor’s race but has also resigned his congressional seat amid escalating allegations of sexual misconduct and criminal behavior. The hosts stress how extraordinary the speed and severity of the collapse is, noting that Swalwell had survived previous scandals—including connections to a suspected Chinese spy and constant media exposure—only to see his career end just weeks before early voting in California’s June primary. They also note that a Republican congressman in Texas has stepped down around the same time over unrelated allegations, pointing to a broader moment of political reckoning around misconduct.
As Hour 1 continues, the tone lightens briefly with a humorous debate sparked by Buck’s “all‑time take” on drawstring pants being superior to buttons and zippers. This opens a broader discussion about outdated technology and design that Clay believes should no longer exist, ranging from chopsticks versus forks to overly complicated hotel light switches and confusing modern car climate controls. The segment invites audience interaction while reinforcing the show’s conversational style before returning to hard news.
The discussion then circles back to Iran and nuclear negotiations, where Clay expresses deep skepticism over reports that talks could resume later in the week. He argues that Iran has spent decades lying about its nuclear ambitions and that any agreement—whether for five years or twenty—would be meaningless without verification. Clay reiterates his belief that the only reliable outcome is the physical seizure or permanent neutralization of Iran’s enriched uranium, echoing President Trump’s reference to taking the regime’s “nuclear dust.” Buck adds historical context, comparing Iran’s strategy to Saddam Hussein’s use of strategic ambiguity before the Iraq War, and agrees that intrusive inspections or tangible enforcement are the only realistic options with a regime that views compliance as weakness.
The latter part of Hour 1 returns to the Swalwell scandal with breaking developments. Clay reveals that a new accuser has come forward publicly, identifying herself as Lana Drews, who alleges that Swalwell drugged and raped her in a West Hollywood hotel room, choked her into unconsciousness, and abused his political power by offering professional help after the assault. Clay and Buck emphasize that this allegation is qualitatively different and more severe than earlier reports, explaining why Swalwell’s sudden resignation from Congress now makes sense. They discuss legal standards, due process, and the presumption of innocence, but both agree that the accumulation and seriousness of the accusations place Swalwell in extreme legal and political jeopardy, especially under California’s prosecutorial environment.
The hour ends with Clay noting the significance of media silence from CNN and MSNBC during the accuser’s press conference, raising questions about selective coverage. Buck underscores just how stunning the reversal is: Swalwell went from a nationally prominent anti‑Trump figure and gubernatorial frontrunner to facing potential prison time in a matter of days.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I
am filled with optimism as we begin the show. We're
gonna have some fun. We've got a great show coming
your way. But let's start with some news. Off the top,
Eric Swaalwell looked like he was going to be potentially
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elected the next governor of California. Then revelations began about
him and his inappropriate behavior, allegations of criminal behavior, and
now not only has he dropped out of the governor's race,
but he is dropping his congressional seat as well. Also,
another Republican is dropping his congressional seat as well down
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on the border in Texas over similar allegations of impropriety
relating to women. We will discuss that, I'm sure as
the program proceeds. The Iran blockade seems to have been
quite effective. The crude oil price continues to decline, and
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stock market. As you all know, I love watching the
stock markets. The S and P five hundred is approaching
an all time high and the Dow is also approaching
an all time high. Both of these markets moving near
record high. So if you just didn't panic, as we
always say to you, don't panic and you just held
(01:30):
onto your stocks during all of the Iran situation, during
all of the big tariff implosions. If you just held
onto your stocks and said I trust that Trump is
going to get the economy roaring, you are in a
good spot. Congratulations, your stocks, your four oh one K,
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your retirement is near an all time record high if
you are holding on to those stocks. Also, we have
Buck Sexton with an all time take on pants, which
we can have some fun with because I've got to
take and I actually think there's tons of people out
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there who will have interesting takes on this. Let me
just put it out there as an idea and we'll
come back to it a bit later. What still exists
and should not exist because it has been technologically replaced?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Ie, there is something better than it.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Buck says, drawstring pants infinitely better than zipper and button pants.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Really, I've read it this morning.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Actually, Jesse Kelly, our friend was responding, but it also
got me fired up. I've been making this argument for
a long time. Chopsticks shouldn't exist. Every time I go
to an Asian restaurant, they bring me out chopsticks, and
I just say, can I have a fork? The fork
is a far better implement than chopsticks. This is not
some cultural attack on Asia. But the fork is better
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than the chopstick, and so what are good do you
sign off? I understand people show off and they're like, oh,
I can do my chopsticks, and but the fork is better.
It like is better, it's better to use, it's reusable.
It's just a far better way to eat than the chopsticks.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
How did we go from my very important drawstring pants
announcement to chopsticks?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Though? This is just well, I I saw your drawstring
pants argument that they're superior. I wanted to I was thinking,
I bet this audience has things that they believe are superior.
For instance, I'll give you another one buck here as
we have some fun starting off the show.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Very optimistic mood.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I don't think we failed when it comes to the
dash on heating and air in cars. Right blue to
make it cooler, red to make it warmer was perfection.
I get in cars now and many times it's incredibly
difficult to figure out how do I turn on the
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heat or the air. We had it solved, and we've
continued to technologically change it, but it's not as good
as it was when you just twisted to the blue
or to the red and everybody knew how to work that.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
We've talked about this before and I think it's an
eight bargatzi bit. But hotel room lights, Yeah, how about
a switch? How about a switch by the door light on,
gimmer light off? Maybe maybe if we want to be spicy,
we put a light by the bedside for reading and bedtime.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
That is it.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I stayed in a hotel recently. I basically kind of
on the show. I can't think it different light switches
in this place, and like some.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Of them are like partial and some of the I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Like, who, I don't want to have to read a
manual to turn the lights off at night?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah? I agree.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
And so anyway out there you can give us talkbacks
what has been better and could be.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Fixed going forward.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
But Buck, as we start, it appears that the situation
in Iran is There are reports that there could be
talks again on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I feel bad for Jared Kushner, Steve Witkoff, and JD.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Vance if they have.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
To get back on a plane and fly all the
way back to Pakistan for more talks after they were
there for twenty one hours of talks and then turned
around and came back.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
There are reports out there.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
That the United States is saying we want twenty years
of you guys ceasing to pursue nuclear weapons, and that
Iran has offered five years.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
The challenge with this, Buck, as you can well imagine,
and I'm sure all of you out there are going
to recognize as well, is Iran has been lying for
decades about everything. So whatever they agree to is unlikely,
in my opinion, to be upheld. And so whether they
say they're going to do it for five years or
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ten years, or fifteen or twenty years, I am quite
confident they are lying, which is why my solution here
is we have to in some way grab what Trump
called the nuclear dust, the uranium deposits that they have,
in order to push them back further. I imagine, Buck, even
based on your time when you were with the CIA
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twenty some odd years ago, Iron has been lying to
us for the entirety of the time that they have
had the iotol is in charge. And so nothing that
they say to us now do I remotely believe is honest.
So them saying anything is not good enough. We either
have to get the uranium if that's our goal, and
on the straight of horror moves we have to just
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see everybody coming through and the oil and gas tankers
being able to traverse. We have to actually verify in
my opinion, that they're saying anything honest. Is that a
fair assessment in your mind? Yeah, Look, this reminds me
of the whole Iraq situation in so far as the
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policy or the strategy of Saddam Hussein was essentially I
don't know. Maybe it got nukes, maybe I don't, Maybe
I got chemical weapons, maybe I don't. Because he found
value in that strategic ambiguity, and then when it came
time for us to make decisions about what he had
and didn't have, it was really obviously we got it wrong,
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but it was really hard to sift through what was
a bluff and what was reality because he thought that
was particularly after the Iran Iraq War, which is probably
the most devastating war of the twentieth century that nobody
ever talks about. Right, Yes, I mean, obviously they're much bigger,
more devastating wars, but.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
For a war that is completely wiped.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
From the memory banks of certainly people in the West,
it went on for eight years, nine years actually, and
it was hundreds and hundreds of thousands of casualties. And
this changed the dynamic in the Middle East dramatically and
the security calculations specifically for Iraq and Iran as well
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as other regional players. So, yes, the notion of an
here's the problem with an Iranian deal. There's no deal
that you can have that you can trust that does
not in some way have us with our boot heel
on the side of their face. Really, I mean, we
have to be in a position to say, all right,
we don't believe you, so now we're going to go
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check the stuff. This is the intrusive inspections component of this,
which we went through with Iraq too, by the way,
and sovereign nations good guys, bad guys, doesn't really matter. Generally,
don't really want people to be able to just show
up and look at all of their stuff. Right, There's
something that they think is degrading about this, and certainly
the Iranians would find it degrading to have America and
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so really they view it as Israel's proxy able to
just show up and look at all their nuke stuff
whenever we want. So Clay This is where we come
down to. There's not really a deal to be had here, folks.
There's not really a deal because even if we do
get to and remember you can pull that clip later.
If we do get to a deal, even if we
have some deal with the current regime, that they will
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break it. Yes, And this is the problem with the
whole Obama approach to all of this too. This is
why I want the tangible to the extent that we
can seize it. The tangible uranium deposits in our hands,
right in the control of the United States, and some
people out there aren't happy about that take. But to me,
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I don't see any form of resolution that you can
rely on other than that as a way to conclude this.
If the goal is to try to ensure that Iran
doesn't continue to pursue nuclear weapons. Now, again, the area
that we struck in June, we have optics, so we
have eyes on, we have recognition if Iran tries to
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go reclaim those material. So I suppose the argument can
be we know what we've got there and it's secure.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
But if we want to have a full throated victory,
one that everyone recognizes, even the New York Times editorial
page and even MSNBC and CNN commentators. If Trump brings
the uranium out of Iran and says we have seized it,
they cannot use this anymore. I think it will be
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very hard to argue that this was anything other than
a supreme success.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
If we leave it, then the people who don't like
Trump are going to argue, oh, we didn't accomplish anything.
I do think, and I've been saying this for some time.
You know, the stock market is doing well when it's
not shown on MSNBC or CNN. We're near record highs.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
The markets are judging the Trump economic situation as a
very positive one, and I do think that is significant
overall as to the likelihod of where we are headed.
But what do you think? Do you care if we
actually have the uranium in possession or in your mind,
if we say, hey, we've got eyes on it, we're
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gonna watch it, and we just pull back and this
thing ends and the traffic returns to some form of
normalcy in the strait of horror moves, is that satisfactory
in your mind? Or do you also want to see
the tangible asset of Iranian nuclear pursuit in the control
of the United States. This thing is not over until
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we have Iranians winning an election with people who are
willing to sit down with the leadership of the United
States and Israel with smiles on their faces and talk
about how to make.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Iran a regional ally and.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
A peaceful and prosperous place without all this lunacy. That's
the real truth. This thing doesn't really end until that day.
And I don't know where that day is, but it
may not be into life anybody living today, to be fair. Yeah,
in the meantime, you have a situation where we're just
Trump has done a lot more than anybody before him,
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but to truly end this threat. When Trump says Iran
will never have a nuclear weapon and that's his goal,
think about what that really means. It does not mean
we sign a piece of paper with Iran. They still
have some enrich uranium or even the technical know how
to enrich uranium in the future. And the people what
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happens in two years, everybody, what happens I know, we
can't even think this stuff right now. What happens if
a Democrat wins the next election, Yeah, the Iranians will
run circles around the next Democrat administration, because all they're
going to want to do is play the big peacemaker
and say, big, bad, mean Trump did all these bad
things to you. So we'll bend over backwards. We'll give
you taxpayer cash, We'll show up with palettes full of
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dollar dollar bills, everybody anything to make it seem like
the Democrats are the peacemaker is with Iran. So these
are all the layers of complexity to come to bear.
I'm really just thinking about this in a six month
well I guess more like eight in front of the math.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Nine month timeline.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Here of what how does this play out between now
until the midterms, Because if you try to think about
what this really means long term, you'll drive yourself crazy
because nobody can really know and there's too many variables
for anyone to be able to properly assess it. But
really this is can Trump win this round against Iran
and substantially delay their nuclear program and nuclear progress through
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it all? Regime change is not on the table. It's
not happening. So that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
We will take back, We will take your calls, we
will take your interactions. Senator Ran Paul of Kentucky will
join us at the bottom of the at the bottom
of the second hour, and Sarah Isker, who's got a
book about the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Is going to be in studio and we'll see what.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
She thinks about increasing speculation that Justice Alito might decide
to step down and that Trump could have another Supreme
Court vacancy to fill that story out there and starting
to get more attention as we come up on the
end of the June recess. I was reading over the
weekend that Alito has not hired his clerks fully. Sometimes
(14:22):
that's a little bit of a sign. Again, the Supreme
Court comes back in session in October, so from June
to October we could have a window there where President
Trump could have a Supreme Court seat to fill, and
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Speaker 3 (16:07):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. So we've
got a lot of talkbacks, a lot of calls. We're
talking about the iron situation, I gotta say I didn't
want to bring Clay down on it. He came on
the show in a particularly good mood today, So.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Did a sports ball team win? Is your bracket particularly good?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
You're dancing on the clouds, stock markets setting record highs,
and the price of oil and gas has come back.
I feel like you can start to see a pathway
to a positive ending on this that's going to happen
sooner rather than later. And and so yeah, just doing
(16:44):
all my reading and getting ready, we've gotten to the
point where the attacks now on Trump have gone back
to the twenty fifth Amendment, which is just hysterical because
I don't see how anybody who came through Joe Biden
can be in this situation.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
And I also think sometimes you.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Ignore and I don't mean you, I don't mean me,
but we as a group of people just don't pay
enough attention to awful people getting like Tim Walls is
done right. Governor of Minnesota Eric Swalwell is done, awful,
Congressman Nancy Pelosi is finished. There's a lot of people
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out there who have been wrong on a lot of
issues that there is finally being some form of verdict
brought to bear on their wrongness. And I think sometimes
all of these positive things get snowed under in the
midst of a deluge of negative news, which is what
gets most of the attention.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So I think things are going very well, and so
I just I'm in a good spot.
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Speaker 1 (18:54):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Eric Swollwell's
accuser is now speaking out in California, Beverly Hills. We
will monitor this and add any audio as I said
that may be particularly newsworthy. As I said off the top,
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Swallwell is now out in Congress too, and this is
pretty staggering down fall Buck, as these things go. On Friday,
right before the San Francisco Chronicle story came out, Eric
Swalwell on the poly Market election markets was a substantial
favorite to be the next governor of California, which is
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a hugely prominent political position. He was favored to win
that election, and now he is out of Congress, he
is out of the governor's race, and potentially he could
be facing criminal charges depending on what this individual who
is now going public is saying about Eric Swalwell and
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his behavior. And I do think at this point in time, Buck,
the question is are there others connected to Swalwell who
may be in positions of political prominence that also are
going to end up getting caught in this fallout? Because
Swalwell was protected for a long time, and you and
(20:23):
I were just talking about this off the air. He's
on CNN all the time, He's on MSNBC all the time.
He is one of the foremost attackers of Donald Trump
out there. He didn't go down for having a sexual
relationship with a Chinese spy, which still seems really significant
in terms of his ability to be on the House
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Intelligence Committee, which he was. That didn't take him down
Fang Fang. And now suddenly right before ballots go out,
I think Steve Hilton told us yesterday, we're three weeks
from ballots going out early voting starting on the June
third primary in California. His career is over and he
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may be facing criminal criminal charges. Whatever you think about Swalwell,
This is a unprecedented level of political collapse.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I don't know that we've ever seen. Now, the the
effort against Kavanaugh was I think more well orchestrated, higher up,
better funded, all of that. But he was manifestly innocent man.
So that's a that's a much steeper hit.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
He didn't he actually got a promotion, so it didn't
work against him, And it didn't work. This is an
interesting question. Can you think of a more precipitous fall
when you consider Eric Swalwell's position politically than this? This
is pretty staggering. No, this is the This is the biggest,
(21:56):
most effective. Look, let's let's just be honest about this.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
This guy's life.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
He went from I'm gonna I'm on TV a lot,
people know my name, and I'm probably going to be
the next governor of California.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Just saying producer Ali, just let us know staff is monitoring.
We'll get the audio of this. This is next level.
She says she thinks he drugged her so publicly the
now that is next to leve.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Now she's going like full Cosby on him, basically correct Rugg.
Prior to this, the discussion had been, hey, I drank
too much and you know, I regret the decision and
I think he raped me.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That was what we talked about yesterday. Ali, we can't
hear this. So this is this the San Francisco Chronicle accuser,
the woman who says that he raped her in twenty
nineteen and twenty twenty four. Okay, so that had been
the sexual assault allegation. Again, this woman is going public
with her story. My response yesterday on this buck was
(23:02):
I still question if you thought you were sexually assaulted
by him in twenty nineteen, why did you go out
drinking with him again in twenty twenty four. And again,
this is where I'm not defending Eric Swallwell. I don't
like the guy at all. He said that I should
be criminally prosecuted for what I said about President Trump
during the New York City case when I said, if
(23:24):
I were a juror, I would encourage a jury to
nullify because I don't think these are crimes, and he
said this should be and I didn't even talk about this.
There was an investigation into whether I should be able
to keep my law license. After that, people turned me
into the Tennessee Department of Law Licensure or whatever. The heck,
they're called and they did an investigation and they said,
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you're you have First Amendment rights to share your opinion
on this.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
By the way, if it were the California law, you
know it would you know.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
What I mean, California PARSI body, it makes a big difference. No,
it does.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
But I didn't even talk about this publicly because I'm like,
I thought the Tennessee bar handled it. When you get
a bark, you have to do an investigation. I thought
they handled it appropriately. But that's all coming from Swallwell,
so I don't like this guy, but I will stand
on the principle of hey, you have the right to
defend yourself. And I would just say, I'm skeptical of
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a woman who says she was raped in twenty nineteen
deciding to go out for drinks with the guy four
years later. I think most of you out there, if
you felt like you were sexually assaulted, wouldn't go out
for drinks again.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
But again, she's speaking. This is by the way.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Also, people will bring up things like they'll say, well,
battered women syndrome or Stockholm syndrome, which actually is something
I write about in my book Manufacturing Delusion. It comes
from a bank robbery that occurred in Stockholm, where the
people who were taken hostage became so fond in a
sense of their captors that they started trying to help
them instead of hoping for rescue. But anyway, those things
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would not apply. Those things would not apply here because
to your point, Clay, these are employees. I mean they
chose to hang out with him later they weren't in
constant an employee, and then she stopped being an employee.
And I'm just saying it's not it's not. A battered
wife syndrome is something where the woman is in constant
fear of her safety and so and Stockholm syndrome is
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when someone's actually taken you captive. Right, This is if
you come back years later of your own accord. I
agree with you. I think that's a huge that if
you're a defense attorney, a huge I were a defense
attorney and I were defending Eric Swallwell. And again remember
John Adams defended the Boston massacre, the Red Coach right
from the Boston massacre back in the day. Lawyers, I
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think have an obligation to be zealous advocates. If I
were a zealous advocate for him. I don't think you
could get a conviction. I think a jury would say
that doesn't add up.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I don't. I don't think that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
First of all, you wouldn't have any contemporaneous from what
we've seen so far, and there's a lot of allegations,
but I haven't seen anything where you would have contemporaneous evidence.
This would turn into a very much a he said,
he said situation. However, Clay I would point out that
the investigations in New York right normally, normally you would think, oh,
(26:10):
a yes, sir, Sorry, I'm just I think this may
be a different woman. So I think this is a
new accuser. So when we're talking about the San Francisco
Chronicle story again, I need the team to be on
top of this because we can't hear the audio, but
based on some of the clips, this sounds like a
new accuser who is saying Eric Swallwell, I believe drugged me,
(26:32):
which may explain Buck why he dropped out of the
congressional seat, because he may have thought I can fight
my way through some of these. But now there is
a cavalcade and this is a I believe.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Again.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Team needs to let me know. I think this is
a new accuser in Beverly Hills. We will sort that
out momentarily and bring you the latest on this, the
latest facts on this. I would just say, Clay, as
is so often the case, the weight of new rumorous allegations,
the count of countless counts, if you will, is something
(27:05):
that works very much against you. Now comparing it to
the Kavanaugh situation, and I always just feel the need
to say, this a manifestly innocent man, not oh, I
don't know, not. They couldn't prove it. Kavanaugh was as
innocent as you and I my friends. Of what they
were saying, it was complete, complete craziness, okay, and we
know it was craziness because they couldn't get him. And
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so then Clay, they had these additional people coming forward.
But the additional people coming forward were crazier and crazier
and less credible and less credible, and so they had
to actually pull back because the first one was super
shaky and full of it, the second one was making
it up. It was obvious, the third one was a
true lunatic. And there were others that they didn't present
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against Kavanaugh because they knew it would hurt their side
because they were so clearly lying. Now juxtaposed that with swallwell,
these are all at least credible on their face in
terms of the possibility of these things happening. The women
are named, it was relatively recent, and now there's more
coming out that are even work. I think this is
(28:08):
a new accuser, and her accusation is different than what
the San Francisco Chronicle reported. And again the team we
can't hear this audio, So I think this is a
new accuser. The reason why I say I think it's
a new accuser is the San Francisco Chronicle accuser was
(28:28):
not named, so we don't know who that was still,
and this person is saying, hey, this is my name,
we'll play audio for you going forward.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I think this is a new one.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
But my point here and again drawing that comparison to
the Capitol thing, was everyone knows that if one person
accuses you of it doesn't have to be even a
sexual So one person makes an accusation against you, it's
an accusation. Three people make it against you, and it's
all similar. You start to have trouble five people, ten people.
Now you got like very very slim chance of people
(28:57):
believing you. They tried to man you facture the weight
of many counts against Kavanaugh, and it actually went against
them because it was so absurd. Like they had a
woman who came forward to the Senate and she did
the oh, Kavanaugh raped me. It's like, well, you were
never even the same state as Brett Kavanaugh, So how
exactly could he have raped you if you could never
actually prove that you were in the same state as him,
(29:19):
And they covered that one up. This one, you've got
the momentum of oh, another accuser, another accuser, another accuser,
and that I think is at least in the court
of public opinion, impossible to beat.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
This accuser actually sounds again he has the right to
a defense, but this sounds like a very credible accusation
like this, I mean, based on what I'm seeing, and
we'll play you some of this audio. Based on what
this woman is saying, this sounds like something that will
lead to criminal charges in California. She's saying he was
(29:54):
she was drugged, and that there's a direct quote he
raped me, he choked me, and while he was choking me,
I lost consciousness. I thought I died. I didn't consent
to any sexual activity. I would never have engaged in
a consensual sexual encounter with Eric Swalwell.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Lanna Drews.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
See, he is, he is in a whole he is
in a whole world of trouble based upon but I
would I would just add to this play. First of all,
California and New York, very Democrat states, have specifically adjusted
laws and prosecutorial standards and procedures to make these kinds
of cases easier and more likely to bring. They've even
(30:38):
done things like gotten Remember in New York they got
rid of I know that was civilis for Egan Carroll,
but they got rid of the statute of limitations on
bringing the civil sexual assault case. So they're already and
they put away that guy, the actor, I forget, I
forget his name, but they got him. I think he
went away for like twenty years on allegations that we
we're old, that we were from like fifteen years ago.
(31:00):
Again I'm going from memory here. But he in these
Democrats states, not only is he possibly facing a justice
system that has been adjusted to make these kinds up,
and that's that's also just a decision by the prosecutors, right,
Like they'll bring these cases.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I mean obviously the Harvey.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Weinstein case, like they'll bring these kinds of cases, and
beyond that, I think they want to make an example,
like the Democrats now want to make an example of him,
which is not a good place to be.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
And if you are Eric Swolwell.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
No doubt, one hundred percent. And again we're going to
play some of this audio. This is a new UH,
this is a new accuser, very specific in California, and UH.
I would expect that there is going to be a
rapid they're already investigating in New York City, but this
one now would be on the UH in California. I
(31:53):
presume it was in the LA area based on where
they's And think about what you'd have to say at
this point if you were if you were not the attorney,
but if you were somebody who is going to try
to defend Eric Swowell publicly, you'd have to say that
all of these.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Women are lying. I don't think there's anybody anybody.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
And the whole Democrat and the most hardcore left wing
Democrat partisan, no one is going to come out and
say that. Well.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I think also this is becoming more credible to your point,
as the Kavanaugh thing, it got less credible as this
woman's accusations are more credible than what was already reported,
and she's encouraging other people to come.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Forward, which I think is likely to lead to more.
The Kavanaugh thing.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
It was if you had an if you had an
intact ethical compass in an IQ over eighty and you
saw when they tried to layer on additional complaints, You're like, well,
these are even these are even more absurd than the
first one. You could tell, Oh, this is an op
this is a hit. This is going in the other
direction of Oh, now it's women coming forward who feel
like they finally can because they won't be accused of
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making it up or lying in Swawel cancious crush them
in the court of public opinion. Clay, he might go
to prison, Oh a long time, pas. I don't see
how there wouldn't be charges brought. I mean, he's in big,
big trouble. There's a whole other end himself.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
But this is a different level than what has been
public so far. And it explains buck to me why
he suddenly resigned from Congress. I bet he was trying
to keep this from coming out, and he thought maybe
if I resigned from Congress, they won't have this press
conference or will take the heat off of me. Yeah
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When hanging, you're not just learning laughing, Pa Buck, just
present them on the ir APD Welcome back in play
Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're going to play you some
audio from the accuser. I believe that press conference has
just ended, but here it is synthesized, and I should
(35:18):
also mention CNN has not covered this press conference at all.
MSNBC did not cover it live either. Fox News did
Eric Swalwell is accused by Lana Drews of drugging and
raping her in twenty eighteen, choking her to the point
of unconsciousness in a West Hollywood hotel room. Says that
(35:42):
Swalwell offered to use his connections to help her software company.
Her attorney says immediately after the press conference, they will
be filing a police report with the Los Angeles County
Sheriff's Department and will be providing evidence, including text messages
and photos. She says she feared Swalwell's political power, which
(36:05):
is why she did not speak out previously, and she
is encouraging others to also speak out. So this is
a new accuser. Buck, This is I think the most
credible of the accuser so far. And I will play
some of this audio for you when we come back.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, look, you're here. You're the lawyer on the show.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Play and everyone is entitled to a defense and the presumption,
the legal presumption of innocence. But Swalwell is in a
world of a world of difficulty.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
We could say right now to.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Go in less than really seventy two hours from the
leading contender for Democrat governor of California, to I hope
I don't go to prison. Clay is pretty astonishing.
Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I
am filled with optimism as we begin the show. We're
gonna have some fun. We've got a great show coming
your way. But let's start with some news. Off the top,
Eric Swaalwell looked like he was going to be potentially
(00:20):
elected the next governor of California. Then revelations began about
him and his inappropriate behavior, allegations of criminal behavior, and
now not only has he dropped out of the governor's race,
but he is dropping his congressional seat as well. Also,
another Republican is dropping his congressional seat as well down
(00:44):
on the border in Texas over similar allegations of impropriety
relating to women. We will discuss that, I'm sure as
the program proceeds. The Iran blockade seems to have been
quite effective. The crude oil price continues to decline, and
(01:06):
stock market. As you all know, I love watching the
stock markets. The S and P five hundred is approaching
an all time high and the Dow is also approaching
an all time high. Both of these markets moving near
record high. So if you just didn't panic, as we
always say to you, don't panic and you just held
(01:30):
onto your stocks during all of the Iran situation, during
all of the big tariff implosions. If you just held
onto your stocks and said I trust that Trump is
going to get the economy roaring, you are in a
good spot. Congratulations, your stocks, your four oh one K,
(01:50):
your retirement is near an all time record high if
you are holding on to those stocks. Also, we have
Buck Sexton with an all time take on pants, which
we can have some fun with because I've got to
take and I actually think there's tons of people out
(02:10):
there who will have interesting takes on this. Let me
just put it out there as an idea and we'll
come back to it a bit later. What still exists
and should not exist because it has been technologically replaced?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Ie, there is something better than it.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Buck says, drawstring pants infinitely better than zipper and button pants.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Really, I've read it this morning.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Actually, Jesse Kelly, our friend was responding, but it also
got me fired up. I've been making this argument for
a long time. Chopsticks shouldn't exist. Every time I go
to an Asian restaurant, they bring me out chopsticks, and
I just say, can I have a fork? The fork
is a far better implement than chopsticks. This is not
some cultural attack on Asia. But the fork is better
(02:59):
than the chopstick, and so what are good do you
sign off? I understand people show off and they're like, oh,
I can do my chopsticks, and but the fork is better.
It like is better, it's better to use, it's reusable.
It's just a far better way to eat than the chopsticks.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
How did we go from my very important drawstring pants
announcement to chopsticks?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Though? This is just well, I I saw your drawstring
pants argument that they're superior. I wanted to I was thinking,
I bet this audience has things that they believe are superior.
For instance, I'll give you another one buck here as
we have some fun starting off the show.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Very optimistic mood.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I don't think we failed when it comes to the
dash on heating and air in cars. Right blue to
make it cooler, red to make it warmer was perfection.
I get in cars now and many times it's incredibly
difficult to figure out how do I turn on the
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heat or the air. We had it solved, and we've
continued to technologically change it, but it's not as good
as it was when you just twisted to the blue
or to the red and everybody knew how to work that.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
We've talked about this before and I think it's an
eight bargatzi bit. But hotel room lights, Yeah, how about
a switch? How about a switch by the door light on,
gimmer light off? Maybe maybe if we want to be spicy,
we put a light by the bedside for reading and bedtime.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
That is it.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I stayed in a hotel recently. I basically kind of
on the show. I can't think it different light switches
in this place, and like some.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Of them are like partial and some of the I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Like, who, I don't want to have to read a
manual to turn the lights off at night?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah? I agree.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
And so anyway out there you can give us talkbacks
what has been better and could be.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Fixed going forward.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
But Buck, as we start, it appears that the situation
in Iran is There are reports that there could be
talks again on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I feel bad for Jared Kushner, Steve Witkoff, and JD.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Vance if they have.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
To get back on a plane and fly all the
way back to Pakistan for more talks after they were
there for twenty one hours of talks and then turned
around and came back.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
There are reports out there.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
That the United States is saying we want twenty years
of you guys ceasing to pursue nuclear weapons, and that
Iran has offered five years.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
The challenge with this, Buck, as you can well imagine,
and I'm sure all of you out there are going
to recognize as well, is Iran has been lying for
decades about everything. So whatever they agree to is unlikely,
in my opinion, to be upheld. And so whether they
say they're going to do it for five years or
(05:58):
ten years, or fifteen or twenty years, I am quite
confident they are lying, which is why my solution here
is we have to in some way grab what Trump
called the nuclear dust, the uranium deposits that they have,
in order to push them back further. I imagine, Buck, even
based on your time when you were with the CIA
(06:21):
twenty some odd years ago, Iron has been lying to
us for the entirety of the time that they have
had the iotol is in charge. And so nothing that
they say to us now do I remotely believe is honest.
So them saying anything is not good enough. We either
have to get the uranium if that's our goal, and
on the straight of horror moves we have to just
(06:43):
see everybody coming through and the oil and gas tankers
being able to traverse. We have to actually verify in
my opinion, that they're saying anything honest. Is that a
fair assessment in your mind? Yeah, Look, this reminds me
of the whole Iraq situation in so far as the
(07:05):
policy or the strategy of Saddam Hussein was essentially I
don't know. Maybe it got nukes, maybe I don't, Maybe
I got chemical weapons, maybe I don't. Because he found
value in that strategic ambiguity, and then when it came
time for us to make decisions about what he had
and didn't have, it was really obviously we got it wrong,
(07:28):
but it was really hard to sift through what was
a bluff and what was reality because he thought that
was particularly after the Iran Iraq War, which is probably
the most devastating war of the twentieth century that nobody
ever talks about. Right, Yes, I mean, obviously they're much bigger,
more devastating wars, but.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
For a war that is completely wiped.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
From the memory banks of certainly people in the West,
it went on for eight years, nine years actually, and
it was hundreds and hundreds of thousands of casualties. And
this changed the dynamic in the Middle East dramatically and
the security calculations specifically for Iraq and Iran as well
(08:10):
as other regional players. So, yes, the notion of an
here's the problem with an Iranian deal. There's no deal
that you can have that you can trust that does
not in some way have us with our boot heel
on the side of their face. Really, I mean, we
have to be in a position to say, all right,
we don't believe you, so now we're going to go
(08:32):
check the stuff. This is the intrusive inspections component of this,
which we went through with Iraq too, by the way,
and sovereign nations good guys, bad guys, doesn't really matter. Generally,
don't really want people to be able to just show
up and look at all of their stuff. Right, There's
something that they think is degrading about this, and certainly
the Iranians would find it degrading to have America and
(08:55):
so really they view it as Israel's proxy able to
just show up and look at all their nuke stuff
whenever we want. So Clay This is where we come
down to. There's not really a deal to be had here, folks.
There's not really a deal because even if we do
get to and remember you can pull that clip later.
If we do get to a deal, even if we
have some deal with the current regime, that they will
(09:16):
break it. Yes, And this is the problem with the
whole Obama approach to all of this too. This is
why I want the tangible to the extent that we
can seize it. The tangible uranium deposits in our hands,
right in the control of the United States, and some
people out there aren't happy about that take. But to me,
(09:37):
I don't see any form of resolution that you can
rely on other than that as a way to conclude this.
If the goal is to try to ensure that Iran
doesn't continue to pursue nuclear weapons. Now, again, the area
that we struck in June, we have optics, so we
have eyes on, we have recognition if Iran tries to
(09:58):
go reclaim those material. So I suppose the argument can
be we know what we've got there and it's secure.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
But if we want to have a full throated victory,
one that everyone recognizes, even the New York Times editorial
page and even MSNBC and CNN commentators. If Trump brings
the uranium out of Iran and says we have seized it,
they cannot use this anymore. I think it will be
(10:26):
very hard to argue that this was anything other than
a supreme success.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
If we leave it, then the people who don't like
Trump are going to argue, oh, we didn't accomplish anything.
I do think, and I've been saying this for some time.
You know, the stock market is doing well when it's
not shown on MSNBC or CNN. We're near record highs.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
The markets are judging the Trump economic situation as a
very positive one, and I do think that is significant
overall as to the likelihod of where we are headed.
But what do you think? Do you care if we
actually have the uranium in possession or in your mind,
if we say, hey, we've got eyes on it, we're
(11:10):
gonna watch it, and we just pull back and this
thing ends and the traffic returns to some form of
normalcy in the strait of horror moves, is that satisfactory
in your mind? Or do you also want to see
the tangible asset of Iranian nuclear pursuit in the control
of the United States. This thing is not over until
(11:32):
we have Iranians winning an election with people who are
willing to sit down with the leadership of the United
States and Israel with smiles on their faces and talk
about how to make.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Iran a regional ally and.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
A peaceful and prosperous place without all this lunacy. That's
the real truth. This thing doesn't really end until that day.
And I don't know where that day is, but it
may not be into life anybody living today, to be fair. Yeah,
in the meantime, you have a situation where we're just
Trump has done a lot more than anybody before him,
(12:12):
but to truly end this threat. When Trump says Iran
will never have a nuclear weapon and that's his goal,
think about what that really means. It does not mean
we sign a piece of paper with Iran. They still
have some enrich uranium or even the technical know how
to enrich uranium in the future. And the people what
(12:32):
happens in two years, everybody, what happens I know, we
can't even think this stuff right now. What happens if
a Democrat wins the next election, Yeah, the Iranians will
run circles around the next Democrat administration, because all they're
going to want to do is play the big peacemaker
and say, big, bad, mean Trump did all these bad
things to you. So we'll bend over backwards. We'll give
you taxpayer cash, We'll show up with palettes full of
(12:53):
dollar dollar bills, everybody anything to make it seem like
the Democrats are the peacemaker is with Iran. So these
are all the layers of complexity to come to bear.
I'm really just thinking about this in a six month
well I guess more like eight in front of the math.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Nine month timeline.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Here of what how does this play out between now
until the midterms, Because if you try to think about
what this really means long term, you'll drive yourself crazy
because nobody can really know and there's too many variables
for anyone to be able to properly assess it. But
really this is can Trump win this round against Iran
and substantially delay their nuclear program and nuclear progress through
(13:32):
it all? Regime change is not on the table. It's
not happening. So that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
We will take back, We will take your calls, we
will take your interactions. Senator Ran Paul of Kentucky will
join us at the bottom of the at the bottom
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Speaker 2 (13:55):
Is going to be in studio and we'll see what.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
She thinks about increasing speculation that Justice Alito might decide
to step down and that Trump could have another Supreme
Court vacancy to fill that story out there and starting
to get more attention as we come up on the
end of the June recess. I was reading over the
weekend that Alito has not hired his clerks fully. Sometimes
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that's a little bit of a sign. Again, the Supreme
Court comes back in session in October, so from June
to October we could have a window there where President
Trump could have a Supreme Court seat to fill, and
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Speaker 3 (16:07):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. So we've
got a lot of talkbacks, a lot of calls. We're
talking about the iron situation, I gotta say I didn't
want to bring Clay down on it. He came on
the show in a particularly good mood today, So.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Did a sports ball team win? Is your bracket particularly good?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
You're dancing on the clouds, stock markets setting record highs,
and the price of oil and gas has come back.
I feel like you can start to see a pathway
to a positive ending on this that's going to happen
sooner rather than later. And and so yeah, just doing
(16:44):
all my reading and getting ready, we've gotten to the
point where the attacks now on Trump have gone back
to the twenty fifth Amendment, which is just hysterical because
I don't see how anybody who came through Joe Biden
can be in this situation.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
And I also think sometimes you.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Ignore and I don't mean you, I don't mean me,
but we as a group of people just don't pay
enough attention to awful people getting like Tim Walls is
done right. Governor of Minnesota Eric Swalwell is done, awful,
Congressman Nancy Pelosi is finished. There's a lot of people
(17:23):
out there who have been wrong on a lot of
issues that there is finally being some form of verdict
brought to bear on their wrongness. And I think sometimes
all of these positive things get snowed under in the
midst of a deluge of negative news, which is what
gets most of the attention.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So I think things are going very well, and so
I just I'm in a good spot.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Eric Swollwell's
accuser is now speaking out in California, Beverly Hills. We
will monitor this and add any audio as I said
that may be particularly newsworthy. As I said off the top,
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Swallwell is now out in Congress too, and this is
pretty staggering down fall Buck, as these things go. On Friday,
right before the San Francisco Chronicle story came out, Eric
Swalwell on the poly Market election markets was a substantial
favorite to be the next governor of California, which is
(19:39):
a hugely prominent political position. He was favored to win
that election, and now he is out of Congress, he
is out of the governor's race, and potentially he could
be facing criminal charges depending on what this individual who
is now going public is saying about Eric Swalwell and
(20:02):
his behavior. And I do think at this point in time, Buck,
the question is are there others connected to Swalwell who
may be in positions of political prominence that also are
going to end up getting caught in this fallout? Because
Swalwell was protected for a long time, and you and
(20:23):
I were just talking about this off the air. He's
on CNN all the time, He's on MSNBC all the time.
He is one of the foremost attackers of Donald Trump
out there. He didn't go down for having a sexual
relationship with a Chinese spy, which still seems really significant
in terms of his ability to be on the House
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Intelligence Committee, which he was. That didn't take him down
Fang Fang. And now suddenly right before ballots go out,
I think Steve Hilton told us yesterday, we're three weeks
from ballots going out early voting starting on the June
third primary in California. His career is over and he
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may be facing criminal criminal charges. Whatever you think about Swalwell,
This is a unprecedented level of political collapse.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I don't know that we've ever seen. Now, the the
effort against Kavanaugh was I think more well orchestrated, higher up,
better funded, all of that. But he was manifestly innocent man.
So that's a that's a much steeper hit.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
He didn't he actually got a promotion, so it didn't
work against him, And it didn't work. This is an
interesting question. Can you think of a more precipitous fall
when you consider Eric Swalwell's position politically than this? This
is pretty staggering. No, this is the This is the biggest,
(21:56):
most effective. Look, let's let's just be honest about this.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
This guy's life.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
He went from I'm gonna I'm on TV a lot,
people know my name, and I'm probably going to be
the next governor of California.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Just saying producer Ali, just let us know staff is monitoring.
We'll get the audio of this. This is next level.
She says she thinks he drugged her so publicly the
now that is next to leve.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Now she's going like full Cosby on him, basically correct Rugg.
Prior to this, the discussion had been, hey, I drank
too much and you know, I regret the decision and
I think he raped me.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That was what we talked about yesterday. Ali, we can't
hear this. So this is this the San Francisco Chronicle accuser,
the woman who says that he raped her in twenty
nineteen and twenty twenty four. Okay, so that had been
the sexual assault allegation. Again, this woman is going public
with her story. My response yesterday on this buck was
(23:02):
I still question if you thought you were sexually assaulted
by him in twenty nineteen, why did you go out
drinking with him again in twenty twenty four. And again,
this is where I'm not defending Eric Swallwell. I don't
like the guy at all. He said that I should
be criminally prosecuted for what I said about President Trump
during the New York City case when I said, if
(23:24):
I were a juror, I would encourage a jury to
nullify because I don't think these are crimes, and he
said this should be and I didn't even talk about this.
There was an investigation into whether I should be able
to keep my law license. After that, people turned me
into the Tennessee Department of Law Licensure or whatever. The heck,
they're called and they did an investigation and they said,
(23:45):
you're you have First Amendment rights to share your opinion
on this.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
By the way, if it were the California law, you
know it would you know.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
What I mean, California PARSI body, it makes a big difference. No,
it does.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
But I didn't even talk about this publicly because I'm like,
I thought the Tennessee bar handled it. When you get
a bark, you have to do an investigation. I thought
they handled it appropriately. But that's all coming from Swallwell,
so I don't like this guy, but I will stand
on the principle of hey, you have the right to
defend yourself. And I would just say, I'm skeptical of
(24:15):
a woman who says she was raped in twenty nineteen
deciding to go out for drinks with the guy four
years later. I think most of you out there, if
you felt like you were sexually assaulted, wouldn't go out
for drinks again.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
But again, she's speaking. This is by the way.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Also, people will bring up things like they'll say, well,
battered women syndrome or Stockholm syndrome, which actually is something
I write about in my book Manufacturing Delusion. It comes
from a bank robbery that occurred in Stockholm, where the
people who were taken hostage became so fond in a
sense of their captors that they started trying to help
them instead of hoping for rescue. But anyway, those things
(24:54):
would not apply. Those things would not apply here because
to your point, Clay, these are employees. I mean they
chose to hang out with him later they weren't in
constant an employee, and then she stopped being an employee.
And I'm just saying it's not it's not. A battered
wife syndrome is something where the woman is in constant
fear of her safety and so and Stockholm syndrome is
(25:17):
when someone's actually taken you captive. Right, This is if
you come back years later of your own accord. I
agree with you. I think that's a huge that if
you're a defense attorney, a huge I were a defense
attorney and I were defending Eric Swallwell. And again remember
John Adams defended the Boston massacre, the Red Coach right
from the Boston massacre back in the day. Lawyers, I
(25:40):
think have an obligation to be zealous advocates. If I
were a zealous advocate for him. I don't think you
could get a conviction. I think a jury would say
that doesn't add up.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I don't. I don't think that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
First of all, you wouldn't have any contemporaneous from what
we've seen so far, and there's a lot of allegations,
but I haven't seen anything where you would have contemporaneous evidence.
This would turn into a very much a he said,
he said situation. However, Clay I would point out that
the investigations in New York right normally, normally you would think, oh,
(26:10):
a yes, sir, Sorry, I'm just I think this may
be a different woman. So I think this is a
new accuser. So when we're talking about the San Francisco
Chronicle story again, I need the team to be on
top of this because we can't hear the audio, but
based on some of the clips, this sounds like a
new accuser who is saying Eric Swallwell, I believe drugged me,
(26:32):
which may explain Buck why he dropped out of the
congressional seat, because he may have thought I can fight
my way through some of these. But now there is
a cavalcade and this is a I believe.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Again.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Team needs to let me know. I think this is
a new accuser in Beverly Hills. We will sort that
out momentarily and bring you the latest on this, the
latest facts on this. I would just say, Clay, as
is so often the case, the weight of new rumorous allegations,
the count of countless counts, if you will, is something
(27:05):
that works very much against you. Now comparing it to
the Kavanaugh situation, and I always just feel the need
to say, this a manifestly innocent man, not oh, I
don't know, not. They couldn't prove it. Kavanaugh was as
innocent as you and I my friends. Of what they
were saying, it was complete, complete craziness, okay, and we
know it was craziness because they couldn't get him. And
(27:26):
so then Clay, they had these additional people coming forward.
But the additional people coming forward were crazier and crazier
and less credible and less credible, and so they had
to actually pull back because the first one was super
shaky and full of it, the second one was making
it up. It was obvious, the third one was a
true lunatic. And there were others that they didn't present
(27:47):
against Kavanaugh because they knew it would hurt their side
because they were so clearly lying. Now juxtaposed that with swallwell,
these are all at least credible on their face in
terms of the possibility of these things happening. The women
are named, it was relatively recent, and now there's more
coming out that are even work. I think this is
(28:08):
a new accuser, and her accusation is different than what
the San Francisco Chronicle reported. And again the team we
can't hear this audio, So I think this is a
new accuser. The reason why I say I think it's
a new accuser is the San Francisco Chronicle accuser was
(28:28):
not named, so we don't know who that was still,
and this person is saying, hey, this is my name,
we'll play audio for you going forward.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I think this is a new one.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
But my point here and again drawing that comparison to
the Capitol thing, was everyone knows that if one person
accuses you of it doesn't have to be even a
sexual So one person makes an accusation against you, it's
an accusation. Three people make it against you, and it's
all similar. You start to have trouble five people, ten people.
Now you got like very very slim chance of people
(28:57):
believing you. They tried to man you facture the weight
of many counts against Kavanaugh, and it actually went against
them because it was so absurd. Like they had a
woman who came forward to the Senate and she did
the oh, Kavanaugh raped me. It's like, well, you were
never even the same state as Brett Kavanaugh, So how
exactly could he have raped you if you could never
actually prove that you were in the same state as him,
(29:19):
And they covered that one up. This one, you've got
the momentum of oh, another accuser, another accuser, another accuser,
and that I think is at least in the court
of public opinion, impossible to beat.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
This accuser actually sounds again he has the right to
a defense, but this sounds like a very credible accusation
like this, I mean, based on what I'm seeing, and
we'll play you some of this audio. Based on what
this woman is saying, this sounds like something that will
lead to criminal charges in California. She's saying he was
(29:54):
she was drugged, and that there's a direct quote he
raped me, he choked me, and while he was choking me,
I lost consciousness. I thought I died. I didn't consent
to any sexual activity. I would never have engaged in
a consensual sexual encounter with Eric Swalwell.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Lanna Drews.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
See, he is, he is in a whole he is
in a whole world of trouble based upon but I
would I would just add to this play. First of all,
California and New York, very Democrat states, have specifically adjusted
laws and prosecutorial standards and procedures to make these kinds
of cases easier and more likely to bring. They've even
(30:38):
done things like gotten Remember in New York they got
rid of I know that was civilis for Egan Carroll,
but they got rid of the statute of limitations on
bringing the civil sexual assault case. So they're already and
they put away that guy, the actor, I forget, I
forget his name, but they got him. I think he
went away for like twenty years on allegations that we
we're old, that we were from like fifteen years ago.
(31:00):
Again I'm going from memory here. But he in these
Democrats states, not only is he possibly facing a justice
system that has been adjusted to make these kinds up,
and that's that's also just a decision by the prosecutors, right,
Like they'll bring these cases.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I mean obviously the Harvey.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Weinstein case, like they'll bring these kinds of cases, and
beyond that, I think they want to make an example,
like the Democrats now want to make an example of him,
which is not a good place to be.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
And if you are Eric Swolwell.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
No doubt, one hundred percent. And again we're going to
play some of this audio. This is a new UH,
this is a new accuser, very specific in California, and UH.
I would expect that there is going to be a
rapid they're already investigating in New York City, but this
one now would be on the UH in California. I
(31:53):
presume it was in the LA area based on where
they's And think about what you'd have to say at
this point if you were if you were not the attorney,
but if you were somebody who is going to try
to defend Eric Swowell publicly, you'd have to say that
all of these.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Women are lying. I don't think there's anybody anybody.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
And the whole Democrat and the most hardcore left wing
Democrat partisan, no one is going to come out and
say that. Well.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I think also this is becoming more credible to your point,
as the Kavanaugh thing, it got less credible as this
woman's accusations are more credible than what was already reported,
and she's encouraging other people to come.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Forward, which I think is likely to lead to more.
The Kavanaugh thing.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
It was if you had an if you had an
intact ethical compass in an IQ over eighty and you
saw when they tried to layer on additional complaints, You're like, well,
these are even these are even more absurd than the
first one. You could tell, Oh, this is an op
this is a hit. This is going in the other
direction of Oh, now it's women coming forward who feel
like they finally can because they won't be accused of
(32:58):
making it up or lying in Swawel cancious crush them
in the court of public opinion. Clay, he might go
to prison, Oh a long time, pas. I don't see
how there wouldn't be charges brought. I mean, he's in big,
big trouble. There's a whole other end himself.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
But this is a different level than what has been
public so far. And it explains buck to me why
he suddenly resigned from Congress. I bet he was trying
to keep this from coming out, and he thought maybe
if I resigned from Congress, they won't have this press
conference or will take the heat off of me. Yeah
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When hanging, you're not just learning laughing, Pa Buck, just
present them on the ir APD Welcome back in play
Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're going to play you some
audio from the accuser. I believe that press conference has
just ended, but here it is synthesized, and I should
(35:18):
also mention CNN has not covered this press conference at all.
MSNBC did not cover it live either. Fox News did
Eric Swalwell is accused by Lana Drews of drugging and
raping her in twenty eighteen, choking her to the point
of unconsciousness in a West Hollywood hotel room. Says that
(35:42):
Swalwell offered to use his connections to help her software company.
Her attorney says immediately after the press conference, they will
be filing a police report with the Los Angeles County
Sheriff's Department and will be providing evidence, including text messages
and photos. She says she feared Swalwell's political power, which
(36:05):
is why she did not speak out previously, and she
is encouraging others to also speak out. So this is
a new accuser. Buck, This is I think the most
credible of the accuser so far. And I will play
some of this audio for you when we come back.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, look, you're here. You're the lawyer on the show.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Play and everyone is entitled to a defense and the presumption,
the legal presumption of innocence. But Swalwell is in a
world of a world of difficulty.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
We could say right now to.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Go in less than really seventy two hours from the
leading contender for Democrat governor of California, to I hope
I don't go to prison. Clay is pretty astonishing.
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