February 4, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show is dominated by an in‑depth discussion of a landmark New York jury verdict involving transgender medical procedures on minors and its far‑reaching legal, cultural, and political implications. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton open the hour by breaking down a first‑of‑its‑kind $2 million medical malpractice verdict in Westchester County, New York, where a jury found that doctors failed to meet basic standards of care in approving and performing a double mastectomy on a 16‑year‑old. The hosts argue this ruling represents a major turning point in the national debate over gender transition surgeries for minors, emphasizing that the case emerged from a traditionally Democratic‑leaning jurisdiction, which they say underscores how broadly public opinion may be shifting on the issue.
Throughout Hour 1, Clay and Buck frame the verdict as a catalyst that could rapidly reshape hospital policies, medical liability standards, and the broader healthcare industry. They contend that financial risk and civil liability—rather than political courage—will ultimately drive hospitals and insurers to halt gender transition surgeries for anyone under 18, and potentially even for adults. The hosts argue that many medical professionals privately doubted these procedures but felt silenced by fear of social and professional repercussions. They suggest that lawsuits and jury verdicts are now forcing those concerns into the open, placing the issue squarely into court records rather than ideological debates.
The conversation expands to include sharp criticism of the medical establishment, with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton accusing doctors, hospital systems, and professional organizations of abandoning the Hippocratic Oath. They discuss how parents were allegedly pressured into consenting to irreversible procedures through emotional manipulation and warnings about suicide risk. The hosts also reference public figures and cultural institutions they believe promoted these practices while dismissing dissent as bigotry. They highlight reactions from major medical organizations now recommending against gender transition surgeries for minors, portraying these shifts as admissions that earlier positions were flawed.
Later in Hour 1, the hosts draw parallels between gender transition surgeries and other historically condemned medical practices, arguing that future generations may view this period as one of the worst medical scandals in modern history. They predict a wave of additional lawsuits, particularly in conservative states, where jury awards could reach far higher figures and accelerate the collapse of institutional support for such procedures. Clay and Buck also connect this issue to a broader critique of institutional medicine, referencing COVID‑era policies as another example of what they see as conformity, political pressure, and a failure to question prevailing narratives.
The hour concludes with listener interaction, including a call from a retired emergency room physician who discusses financial incentives in modern medicine and how procedural profit motives may have contributed to the rise of controversial treatments. Clay Travis closes Hour 1 of the program by reiterating that the Westchester verdict is only the beginning, signaling that continued legal challenges, public scrutiny, and cultural backlash will remain central themes as the story develops.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Wednesday edition, Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. We have got
a ton of stories to dive into throughout the course
of the program, a lot of great guests.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Coming your way and more. But let's get started.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
A couple of stories that are at front and center
right now, Buck, and we've teased one of these for
several days. A huge lawsuit outcome in Westchester County, I believe,
just outside of New York City, relating to trans related
surgeries on minors has thrown everything into an uproar surrounding
(00:42):
that issue. Also, the Washington Post has cut basically a
third of all of the employees at the Washington Post
as that newspaper's business has collapsed. I got a bunch
of thoughts on that, because I think I understand it
pretty well in the media ecosystem. But let's go to
this transgender case, because Buck, I think it actually represents
(01:05):
something that you and I have been saying on this
program was going to be transformative for the conversation that
we have here. And let me give you a little
bit of the background in case you haven't already seen it.
In a first of its kind verdict. I'm reading from
a report here. A New York jury awarded a individual
(01:28):
named Fox Verren, a detransitioner, two million dollars after finding
that a psychologist and surgeon committed medical malpractice by approving
and performing a double mysectomy on her when she was
just sixteen years old. Jurors were asked a simple question,
did these doctors follow basic standards of care before lopping
(01:51):
off a teenager's healthy body parts? The answer was a
clear no. This individual, this girl testified she didn't believe
she was male. She felt pressured. The mom testified that
she felt pressured to consent to surgery after being told
what do they always tell the parents here? Would you
rather have a live child or a dead you know,
(02:14):
live boy or a dead girl? They emotionally blackmail the
parents into thinking their kids are going to commit suicide
if they don't do it. I think this is a
hugely important jury verdict buck because of a couple of things.
One where it happened. Westchester is typically, I think a
place where Democrats would do quite well. In other words,
(02:34):
this is not a died died in the wool sort
of red district. This is a place where Democrats traditionally
do well, so this is probably a Democrat voting jury
and they hit for two million dollars and buck. I've
been making this argument for some time. The reality here
is a lot of people know this is morally wrong,
but they're cowards, and what they will do is they
(02:56):
will use the business expense and the ability and the
danger as a cover to argue that they can no
longer allow these surgeries to take place. I think you're
going to see in rapid short order, no one under
the age of eighteen is going to be allowed to
have these surgeries, which is the right call, which you
and I have been arguing for for five years on
(03:16):
this program, and I think it's an example of plainiffs
lawyers actually getting to a better result than unfortunately many
people who are politicians could.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
This is an absolutely necessary step. It's not just something
that is good. Without this, we would not be winning
the not just the argument, but protecting children. And that's
what this is fundamentally about. This goes beyond the political.
What has been done with the trans movement in this
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country is cruel, It is destructive, it is deeply immoral,
and there need to be consequences Now you and I
can sit here as we often do, and we talk
about the madness of the transathlete situation.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
But really, and I actually wasn't going to make.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
This about my book, but there's a whole chapter in
Manufacturing Delusion about the trends here.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
It is manufacturing delusion. Get your pre orders. Now there's clay.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
There's a whole chapter about the trans issue and how
not only does it hurt the people irreparably who have
these surgeries, and often adolescents, but it makes so many
people complicit in this process as well, the parents who
now have to live with the terrible regret of what
(04:40):
they did to the Now I understand something they're gonna say,
but I thought I was listening to the Yeah, before
someone trans my kid, they would have to be removing
firearms out of my cold dead hands preventing that from happening.
No one from the state, no one is taking my
child and transing them. That is never going to happen.
And every parent should know that it is ultimately their
(05:04):
role to defend their child from this badness. And so
many of them, unfortunately fell victim to this themselves. I
mean they really they were brainwashed and they were pushed
by these doctors who were cowards. I actually hold the
doctors in the most disdain here because they are aware
(05:25):
the media will not tell you the truth. By the way,
the media will not tell you the truth about abortion,
as you all know, and the media will not tell
you the truth about trans surgeries.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Why is that.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I can go on GROC, I can go anywhere I Clay,
I can find I can watch on YouTube all kinds
of surgeries, down to the very specific, in the nitty gritty.
You won't find a trans surgery on there. You won't
find them showing you the aftermath. And that women for
I'm sorry, men for example, who think they become women
end up with a wound that never heals and they
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call that a vagina. It's monstrous what they have done
to these people. And it is a necessary step. And
by the way, all of the conservatives, all the people
on the right who fought hard for this one, and
I give credit to people like Matt Walsh for being
right on the forefront, because this matter, this is our
team needed to win this one. Our team needed to
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get this done for the sake of the country and
for the children that are being defended.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
By this Clay.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I hope that there are more of these suits, and
I hope that this whole edifice of trans surgery for
miners madness is brought crashing down, because it is absolutely
you look at this woman, this young woman Clay, that
they did this too. She had like five different mental
health diagnoses, real mental health diagnoses of mental illness. They
(06:44):
think she's in a position to decide that she's not
actually a man or a woman. She's essentially crazy and
needs help. And that's what they abandon. They abandon the
hippocratic oath. They abandon the most important obligation they have
to a patient.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I think the doctors, many of them, should lose their
licenses over this, because what is the first, to your point,
hipocratic oath? First do no harm. I would argue that
unnecessary surgery chopping off body parts is indisputably a violation
of the hippocratic oath.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
This is JK.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Rowling just posted this buck the Harry Potter author who
has been outspoken about transrelated issues. She specifically linked this
two million dollar verdict that we're talking about, and she
said this will go down in history as one of
the worst medical scandals of all time, adults inside and
outside the medical profession sold troubled young people like Varian
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the idea all of their complex trauma would be resolved
by removing healthy body parts. As more and more detransitioners
arrive in court, the public will learn the full extent
of the harm done to these kids in the name
of an ideology. Clinicians performing these treatments will go down
in history as barbarous activists who betrayed a sacred oath
to do no harm, which we just said, but we
(07:57):
should never forget how many people outside the medical profession
urge these young people on, gleefully assuring them anyone advising
caution was an evil bigot. There are people in elitist
professions like publishing in academia, not to mention, politicians and
celebrities with young fan bases who did all they could
to champion the idea of gender identity and kept pushing
(08:19):
it even as the evidence of harm mounted. They're just
as culpable as these clinicians. Never forget, because only by
learning the lesson can we stop this happening again. Really
well said she maybe has a future in writing, but buck,
I do think that if you're wondering. You're saying, Okay, Clay, well,
how does this two million dollar verdict? How does it
(08:41):
change things? All of these hospitals that did these surgeries,
a lot of them are run by cowards. But those
cowards will now be able to argue instead of getting
crosswise with the transgender community, they're going to say, Hey,
this isn't a political decision. This is just a business decision.
We can't risk tens of millions of dollars in liability
on lawsuits here. We're going to end these surgeries. So
(09:04):
the plaintiff lawyers ironically are actually the heroes because by
putting financial damages on these cases, particularly in places like
New York. Way, don't they start having these cases in Alabama? Way,
don't they start having those places in Tennessee, Florida. These numbers,
I want, Ruth.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I want the most aggressive ambulance chasers in history all
over this one. And I want them to take these
practitioners to the cleaners.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I want them to go.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
So if you've ever been like a slip and fall attorney,
now's your chance to be the hero because and I
mean that because this is critical, because Clay, not only
what you said is absolutely essential, And that's what I
meant about feeling the pain, the financial pain. Yes, these
places must be there must be consequences for this. Yeah,
have we won the argument? Well, any will any democrat
on a TV show sit there and really argue with
(09:51):
me or you or somebody on our side about whether
men have a physical advantage.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Over women in sports.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Even when Neil de grass Tyson tried that, he got
completely you know, laughed off the stage. You know, you
have all these different people that have been pretending that
they don't know this, and they've known it all along.
Beyond just the financial pain though, Clay, this will get
(10:18):
into court record. What really happened. Yeah, because the media
is silent on this for the most we're talking about this.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
This is a huge deal.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
This is massive liability for all of these surgeries, all
of these hospitals all over the country, and they're acting
like it doesn't happen because I think they don't know
what to do right now. I think they're in a
bit of a of a paralysis. And Clay, once this
stuff comes out, because when people find out these surgeries
don't work, they do not have the intended effect, and
(10:52):
the people that said otherwise were lying. They were lying
because it made them feel good to lie, and they
children to the wolves so that they could feel righteous,
so that they could get invited to the you know,
the Grammys or the Malibu Kamala fundraiser or whatever. That's
(11:13):
the whole game here, and these people should be ashamed
of themselves.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It also shows the colossal amount of fear in asking
questions because most people in real life recognized how ridiculous
this was. But the power of calling someone a bigot,
or the power of calling someone a transphobe, it actually
paralyzed and froze so many people out there who knew better.
(11:40):
And this is where this whole toxic empathy idea has
been so effective on the left, is it basically silences
people who knew better. And that's why I say, like,
the real story here is not that we've got some
unbelievable revelation that has suddenly made clear what we've been
talking about on this program for five years together. It's
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that the business people now see a liability that they
didn't see before, and so they can say, this is
not political, this is just business. And look the idea
and and I do think jk Rowling is right that
in the years ahead, the people who allowed this to
happen are going to be seen as modern day Frankenstein's
I mean barbarians, And I think everybody who did these
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surgery should lose their medical license. Candidly, I don't think
you can have a medical license and have operated on minors.
And in the same way, Buck, you've talked about in
Middle Eastern countries, doctors wouldn't chop off arms or hands.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
This was in Pakistan when under the Zier regime they
said they were going to start removing hands for stealing
and doctors, you know, because they were mostly all Western
trained by the way, we're like, no, we're not going
to put time to do this, remove their hand.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So you got people removing organs, I mean, you know breast,
you got people chopping I mean, it's it's it's barbaric
on a level that I don't think people have really
dove into your point, Buck, is the health of these
people is fundamentally altered forever. You're making sure they never
have kids. And these are choices being made at fourteen
fifteen years old. Well think about and this is a
(13:09):
tough one, but if you haven't read it, Ion Hersi
Ali's Infidel book, which is really an autobiography. She talks
about FGM, which is female genital mutilation, which was forced
upon her as a young girl and done with a
glass shart, a piece of glass. If somebody walked into
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an American hospital and said, my religion dictates that you
need to do this on my daughter or my wife
or whatever it may be, the doctors would be like,
I'm calling the cops. Yeah, why is that different?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Why is it? A great question?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Someone explained to me the difference removing a healthy body
part because somebody says I think you should remove it.
They removed young girl's breast. Honestly, people should go to
prison over this. I know that's not going to happen,
but that a minimum, they should face massive financial penalty.
And I have no by the way, zero sympathy, Zero
(14:07):
sympathy for anybody who did these procedures, Zero sympathy for
anybody who pushed these girls these Unfortunately, psychiatry is full
of left wing kooks overwhelmingly. I know we probably have
like a few right wing psychiatrists to listen to this show,
but it's the most left wing medical profession. Something we
need to address. By the way, because I think maxism
is mental illness. Being a Democrat these days is basically
(14:28):
commensurate with mental illness.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It's actually not significant enough to strip these people of
their medical license. To your point, I think they should
face criminal charges. To me, that is the bare minimum
that should happen here. I think it's the next step.
I think you'll start to hear more and more people
call for it. As we investigated me Buck, some of
these people did hundreds of surgeries to remove sexual organs
and body parts.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And this is not bravado. This is and every father,
listen and Clay, you're a father three times over. You
know I would go to prison before I let someone
do this to my on. Yeah, I agree. I would
go to prison, whatever that means. And I would sleep
like a baby at night knowing that at least I
was a father, and at least I didn't abandon my post.
(15:11):
I don't know what else to say, Everybody, this is
the madness in this country. Finally, this darkness is receding
and we are seeing the wreckage that has been left.
It's just the beginning of Clay, though it might be
some cases, by the way, where the jury goes against
mentioned this is in Westchester. It's a little surprising, but
there might be some very blue areas that they go
no no damages. So the battle is just starting here,
(15:33):
no no doubt.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
And this is why I want the Red States to
because I think somebody could get hit. You know, you
get to see those headlines, You're like, holy cow, hundreds
of millions of dollars. I think some of these places
could get hit with verdicts in the hundreds of millions
of dollars. Where truly, even if you're in a blue state,
you say, boy, we don't know what jury we're gonna get.
And it's a shame that it ever had to get here,
(15:55):
But I get salute this jury in New York for
the day images. I think, frankly, two million is not enough,
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We're talking about this big, big lawsuit that ended up
with a two million dollar posted a two million dollar
verdict in Westchester over the trans surgery for minors. A
couple of things here. The American Society of Plastic Surgeons
has now recommended against gender transition surgery for youths, becoming
the first major medical association in the US. But Clay,
they've been followed by the American Medical Association as well.
(17:30):
So we talked about suddenly this verdict happens, and a
lot of people who knew better are now coming out.
I think that's going to lead to an interesting question, Buck,
because if it's not good for under eighteens, I think
there's also going to start to be a question, Wait
a minute, is this surgery that should be allowed for
adults either. I think it's going to turn into a
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Speaker 1 (18:54):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Okay, we're
talking about the two million dollar verdicts in Westchester. The
reaction of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons and the
American Medical Association both to say now that transition surgeries,
gender change surgeries, however you want to classify it for
under eighteen year old, should not happen. Many lawsuits are
(19:17):
going to continue, Buck, I would just add to our
conversation that we've already had. I think this is going
to spread to adults as well, because I think if
you're going to say, well, a sixteen year old shouldn't
be able to make this decision given the health implications
and impacts. I know, age of majority matters, but a
nineteen year old or a twenty year old rendering themselves
(19:37):
permanently sterile without truly understanding what they were doing. I
think these lawsuits are going to expand, and I think
the entire concept of so called.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Gender change surgery is is going to be.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Attacked on a level that should have happened long before now,
but is going to become much more substantial.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Comparison we've made here in the past on the show
to body integrity, body identity integrity disorder, I think it's
called the ID where you just and this is a
real thing. You can look it up where people you know,
there's some men none to own.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Some mental illness. People can have a very different degrees.
A lot of people, some of you listening, have a
little bit of anxiety. Maybe it would be clinically diagnosed
as anxiety, but you can control that and you know,
a little breathing exercises, right, it exists on this long
span of the same thing with depression. Some people get
a little depressed. Sometimes you're just responding to life events
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and you can be down. Sometimes maybe it's a little
bit more biochemical body integrity. Identity disorders are very severe
and serious mental illness. Right, this is something it's where
you believe that you shouldn't have an arm or you
should be paralyzed. It's a very scary, but it's a
real thing that can happen to people. No doctor would
expect to keep his or her license. No doctor would
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expect the media apparatus in this country to come to
their defense if they removed a healthy arm because the
patient wanted it removed. You just wouldn't do that, right,
And we've been saying all along the comparison between this
and these gender transition surgeries is very apt. It is
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very real and to your point, Clay, right now we're
just talking about the mutilation of kids and some accountability
for that, and the most importantly now also stopping you know,
you want to stop the damage, stop the casualties from continuing.
But Clay, I think this is mutilation for adults as well. Yeah,
I think it's completely medically. You know the guy who
(21:43):
did this for the longest time, I forget his name
at Johns Hopkins University. That was essentially the guy. After
thirty years of gender transition surgery, you know, seeing all
these things is like, it's probably not a good idea, guys.
And then of course you had to go into hiding
death threats because unfortunately, the transactivists are pretty much which
the most insane left wing people in America.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, that's accurate, not.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Just trans people, transactivists, right, they are crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
They are completely off their rocker, and they're dangerous. Sometimes.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yes, they're committing crimes off the charts relative to their population.
With the shooter in Minneapolis, the shooter in Nashville at
the two different schools, the Charlie Kirk shooter was a
dating a trans related person, and Buck, you hit on
this years ago, and I do think it's worth coming
(22:33):
back to. They believe it's genocide the trans community if
you do not allow them to trans. They believe it's genocide.
And I think a lot of people out there in
the audience they really haven't spent a lot of time
thinking about this. But back in the day, and let's
say the nineteen eighties, if you were I think Rup
Paul right or something like, you dressed up as a
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somebody who was different sex, but you didn't claim that
you were actually across dressing.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
You're talking about somebody who's which.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Was like, you know, something that happened, the transition between hey,
like it makes me happier to wear a skirt, or
it makes me happier to wear you know, like boy's
clothes or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Too.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I have changed my gender and if you don't allow
me to do it, it is the equivalent of a genocide.
That is the justification under which they engage in violent
acts because they believe that anyone who is trying to
stop the certain militant aspects of the trans community believes
that anyone who's trying to stop these surgeries from being
allowed is actually engaged in genocide. They're eradicating these people
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from the earth.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
People will points to there's a long history of transvestites,
and in fact, in theater, for example, men played all
the roles of women. So yes, dressing up as women.
But dressing up as women is harmless. I mean, whether
you think it's weird or not, that's up to you.
But it's harmless and it's a person. There's no problem.
If somebody wants to wear a dress, they're welcome to
wear a dress, but we're allowed to know that it's
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we're allowed to say, well, that's a dude in address yep.
And this is the rejection of reality, which is again
whether there's a whole chapter in Manufacturing Delusion about this
very issue, which I recommend you go get right now
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whole book. The gender the gender affirmation thing that they use,
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this gender transition rhetoric lay is all meant to get
people to give up their right to speak the truth.
Because if you're willing to say that I don't know
the difference be in a man and a woman, you
can say anything. There's nothing that can't be forced upon you.
So it's really the ultimate intellectual subjugation that we're talking about.
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I don't know the difference between a penis and a vagina.
That's a pretty fundamental thing that you can't tell the
difference between gender assigned at birth. To use this language,
this was just brainwashing on the scale of the Maoist
cultural revolution. People went mad with this stuff, and we
are finally, finally at an inflection point where we haven't won,
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but it is turning back the other way. This is
moving back in the direction of sanity. And for the
plaintiff's lawyers out there, you mentioned this earlier. I think
they're going to be recruiting some of these young people
who had these surgeries. They're going to be advertising for it.
The verdicts are going to be truly transformative. In many
(25:23):
different Red states and all of these different hospitals, you're
going to see a drip drip drip of hey, we're
not allowing this anymore. I mean, Minneapolis, it's crazy. Ben,
just a friend of mine, Ben Grossman, just sent me
this Children's Minnesota plans to stop prescribing puberty blockers and
hormones to minors. You're going to see that's you know,
(25:47):
in Minnesota, You're going to see more and more hospitals
just say we can't do this anymore because of the
liability risk. And again my point on this is a
lot of people in medicine knew this was bunk, but
they were so afraid of being labeled transphobic or being
attacked for opposing these surgeries that they didn't have the
(26:07):
courage to say it. Now, suddenly the beam counters inside
of these hospitals can raise their hand and say, wait
a minute, you know we're risking millions of dollars in
verdicts if we keep doing these. Look at what just
happened in New York. Why I think it's so significant. Well, also,
this comes on the heels of the other massive failure
of institutional medicine, which was the response of the AMA
(26:31):
and the CDC, And go down the list of the
COVID pandemic where they abandoned science in the name of politics. Yes,
this was a mass hysteria throughout medicine. Clay, I am
still ticked off. And by the way, I no longer
I I mean fired isn't the right word. But I
got rid of or stopped seeing my primary care doctor
(26:52):
at University of Miami Medical Center because when I moved
down here, I said, all I need a new primary
care I need to get my check up done. And
they were having everybody mask up. Yeah, this was a
couple of years ago. This wasn't This wasn't you know.
This is like when the pandemic's over and everyone's gotten
the bad shots that we didn't need to get and
the whole thing was preposterous. They're still making people mask up.
They still have mask up signs around there. I don't
(27:14):
trust you as a part. I don't care how smart
you are. I don't care what your IQ is. If
you were not able to figure out that the whole
masking thing was a mass Pavlovian compliance exercise, you are
not smart enough to make decisions about my health or
anyone else's. You're not brave enough. Maybe brave is the
better word. You're not brave enough to make decisions about
my health or anybody else's. And we've seen the same thing,
(27:37):
the lack of spine, the lack of bravery when it
comes to defending children against these mutilation surgeries.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Well, I'll remember one of my favorite of the spineless
moves that we all saw during COVID was when the
pediatric group came out and said kids need to be
back in school. Do you remember this, The American Association
of Pediatric Doctors or whatever it was called. They said, oh, no, no, no, no,
we don't need in twenty twenty, it's more significant harm
(28:04):
to kids to keep them out of school than to
put them back in school during COVID. And then they
completely flip flopped because Trump also was in favor of
schools opening, and so they just reversed their their their
designation teachers' unions were saying, oh, remember, everybody's gonna die.
Oh my goodness, there's you know, we're gonna be on
(28:25):
the front lines. It's basically the equivalent of being of war.
And they reversed themselves, which is a sign that they
were never about the science. They were just engaging in
political propaganda, and they had to make people, you know,
bend over in a way that.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
They they were in favor of.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
They natural immunity was. That was the biggest thing that
they really had no answer for. Whatsoever. Right they're making
everyone get COVID tests. I'm sorry, I know we're getting
in COVID thing year. But it's tied directly into the
madness of the gender mutilation surgeries for kids. Institutional medicine
abandoned their post, betrayed the hippocratic oath, and these institutions
(29:05):
should be ripped down to the studs. They should be
forced to be accountable for what happened here. Remember when
all of a sudden, if you had gotten a virus,
it did you weren't you didn't have immunity afterwards to it,
And we would say, well, hold on, you're making me
test I test positive. I'm clear I test negative two
weeks later, I should be good. Now, No, you still
(29:26):
have to get.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
A shot for this. Yeah, this is this is inexplicable.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
This is you know, little little Fauci, the worst little
coward I've ever seen in my life, really is the
avatar for this madness and this failure. Do you think
Fauci ever spoke up on the trans surgery issue. Do
you think Fauci ever had anything to say about it?
These people are shameful And unfortunately, medicine was overtaken in
(29:50):
the last thirty years by a really collectivist mentality. And
there's a lot of reasons for this, and we could
get into this, but it became an incredibly conformist, over
eurocratized and much less. And by the way, I know
there are great doctors, some of my doctors, literally some
of my doctors listening to the show right now, and
you're amazing, so thank you. But overall there are doctors
(30:11):
who just became a part of this blob who no
longer realized that the whole point is to treat people clay,
and to do it not only thing by your patients,
not only that the entire point of science is to
question everything and to your point, they became the most
conformist industry almost in America, where everybody had to agree
(30:31):
on every single different issue, which actually is the antithesis
of science itself, which is questioning and continuing to advance
different hypotheses and theories to lead to us to the
more accurate place. And so you think they're going to
boot Peter Attia from the CBS roster. He's had a
rough one, speaking of the Epstein files and everything else,
(30:53):
he's had a rough one. I always thought he always
had some pretty good stuff to say. He was on
that Rogan podcast all the time. He was like the
favorite health longevity guy of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
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in the hospital when your son, your baby son is
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Speaker 2 (31:12):
That's a tough one. That's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
A lot of people getting caught up in the Epstein mess,
and by the way, a lot of them. In addition
to maybe you can see why a lot of people
didn't want these emails to come out. We talked about
it a great deal yesterday. But I also think it's
it's evidence of this sort of group think dynamic that
(31:36):
was in play there when Epstein was donating money, a
lot of people were willing to look away from the
charges against him and everything else. And the left in particular,
I think has been exposed on the Epstein situation way
worse than people on the right in general have been
as well.
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And we have doctor Dave, who's a former er doc,
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(34:03):
transsurgery award in the court.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
What's going on?
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Yeah, high Clay, hi buck. This is sort of all
based on just my thoughts. But I retired from the
AR about twenty years ago, kind of just about when
the sinsanity was starting up. When I finished my medical training.
You have to make a choice, and one thing about
pediatrics was fielding going into more for dedication than to
(34:30):
get paid well because they always were known to have
compared to surgery feels and everywhere else you can do
procedures and procedures pay Now, let me just get say,
as a pediatrician, you will give me an example. At
the very end of my career, there was a young
pediatrician who had been called into another hospital er because
(34:53):
he was on call in the middle of night for
a Medicaid baby. He had no real previous contact with
who was two months and potentially septic. He spent four
hours spinal tap watching, getting results and deciding what to do.
It's a critical decision. You send the baby home and
make a mistake, the baby will probably die. You put
the baby in the hospital. You got to put him
(35:14):
on the mass of antibiotics. There's a virus or as
the bacteria. However, for the whole thing of hours, he
got paid for a spinal tap. Now, four days later,
he's at my ar. It happened the baby who was
supposed to he had arranged to see a pediatrician the
next day. They never followed up. Whether the baby got
antibiotics for four days or not, no one really knows.
(35:34):
But now the baby is back in the middle night
at my jar. And he happened to be the same
doctor on call from my hospital that night, and now
he's back with that baby. For spending two nights with
that baby, he probably got paid maybe about three or
four hundred dollars. A surgeon coming in doing a procedure
would have gotten thousands. Now I'm not saying it's him,
it's the whole field. And I think when this opportunity
(35:55):
arose to start getting big money for something new. I
think that was the t.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Thank you for the call, I I.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I think that is important, not only for this aspect,
because Buck, the amount of cost on the surgeries is
through the roof. The data actually reflects that, unfortunately, we
are incentivizing lots of doctors to do all sorts of
unnecessary procedures that don't actually make most of us healthier,
but do pad the revenue of the hospitals and the
(36:25):
medical field. And you know the data, I think you
could probably eliminate seventy five percent of all medical treatments
and you would have no change in overall outcome.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
That's my theory.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
We'll come back in. We'll dive into more of this story. Uh,
I want to talk Tom Holman and Ice. Tom Holman
and Ice stuff for sure. He sets some important stuff
about Minneapolis. We'll get into that too coming up
Welcome in Wednesday edition, Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. We have got
a ton of stories to dive into throughout the course
of the program, a lot of great guests.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Coming your way and more. But let's get started.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
A couple of stories that are at front and center
right now, Buck, and we've teased one of these for
several days. A huge lawsuit outcome in Westchester County, I believe,
just outside of New York City, relating to trans related
surgeries on minors has thrown everything into an uproar surrounding
(00:42):
that issue. Also, the Washington Post has cut basically a
third of all of the employees at the Washington Post
as that newspaper's business has collapsed. I got a bunch
of thoughts on that, because I think I understand it
pretty well in the media ecosystem. But let's go to
this transgender case, because Buck, I think it actually represents
(01:05):
something that you and I have been saying on this
program was going to be transformative for the conversation that
we have here. And let me give you a little
bit of the background in case you haven't already seen it.
In a first of its kind verdict. I'm reading from
a report here. A New York jury awarded a individual
(01:28):
named Fox Verren, a detransitioner, two million dollars after finding
that a psychologist and surgeon committed medical malpractice by approving
and performing a double mysectomy on her when she was
just sixteen years old. Jurors were asked a simple question,
did these doctors follow basic standards of care before lopping
(01:51):
off a teenager's healthy body parts? The answer was a
clear no. This individual, this girl testified she didn't believe
she was male. She felt pressured. The mom testified that
she felt pressured to consent to surgery after being told
what do they always tell the parents here? Would you
rather have a live child or a dead you know,
(02:14):
live boy or a dead girl? They emotionally blackmail the
parents into thinking their kids are going to commit suicide
if they don't do it. I think this is a
hugely important jury verdict buck because of a couple of things.
One where it happened. Westchester is typically, I think a
place where Democrats would do quite well. In other words,
(02:34):
this is not a died died in the wool sort
of red district. This is a place where Democrats traditionally
do well, so this is probably a Democrat voting jury
and they hit for two million dollars and buck. I've
been making this argument for some time. The reality here
is a lot of people know this is morally wrong,
but they're cowards, and what they will do is they
(02:56):
will use the business expense and the ability and the
danger as a cover to argue that they can no
longer allow these surgeries to take place. I think you're
going to see in rapid short order, no one under
the age of eighteen is going to be allowed to
have these surgeries, which is the right call, which you
and I have been arguing for for five years on
(03:16):
this program, and I think it's an example of plainiffs
lawyers actually getting to a better result than unfortunately many
people who are politicians could.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
This is an absolutely necessary step. It's not just something
that is good. Without this, we would not be winning
the not just the argument, but protecting children. And that's
what this is fundamentally about. This goes beyond the political.
What has been done with the trans movement in this
(03:49):
country is cruel, It is destructive, it is deeply immoral,
and there need to be consequences Now you and I
can sit here as we often do, and we talk
about the madness of the transathlete situation.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
But really, and I actually wasn't going to make.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
This about my book, but there's a whole chapter in
Manufacturing Delusion about the trends here.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
It is manufacturing delusion. Get your pre orders. Now there's clay.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
There's a whole chapter about the trans issue and how
not only does it hurt the people irreparably who have
these surgeries, and often adolescents, but it makes so many
people complicit in this process as well, the parents who
now have to live with the terrible regret of what
(04:40):
they did to the Now I understand something they're gonna say,
but I thought I was listening to the Yeah, before
someone trans my kid, they would have to be removing
firearms out of my cold dead hands preventing that from happening.
No one from the state, no one is taking my
child and transing them. That is never going to happen.
And every parent should know that it is ultimately their
(05:04):
role to defend their child from this badness. And so
many of them, unfortunately fell victim to this themselves. I
mean they really they were brainwashed and they were pushed
by these doctors who were cowards. I actually hold the
doctors in the most disdain here because they are aware
(05:25):
the media will not tell you the truth. By the way,
the media will not tell you the truth about abortion,
as you all know, and the media will not tell
you the truth about trans surgeries.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Why is that.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I can go on GROC, I can go anywhere I Clay,
I can find I can watch on YouTube all kinds
of surgeries, down to the very specific, in the nitty gritty.
You won't find a trans surgery on there. You won't
find them showing you the aftermath. And that women for
I'm sorry, men for example, who think they become women
end up with a wound that never heals and they
(05:57):
call that a vagina. It's monstrous what they have done
to these people. And it is a necessary step. And
by the way, all of the conservatives, all the people
on the right who fought hard for this one, and
I give credit to people like Matt Walsh for being
right on the forefront, because this matter, this is our
team needed to win this one. Our team needed to
(06:17):
get this done for the sake of the country and
for the children that are being defended.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
By this Clay.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I hope that there are more of these suits, and
I hope that this whole edifice of trans surgery for
miners madness is brought crashing down, because it is absolutely
you look at this woman, this young woman Clay, that
they did this too. She had like five different mental
health diagnoses, real mental health diagnoses of mental illness. They
(06:44):
think she's in a position to decide that she's not
actually a man or a woman. She's essentially crazy and
needs help. And that's what they abandon. They abandon the
hippocratic oath. They abandon the most important obligation they have
to a patient.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I think the doctors, many of them, should lose their
licenses over this, because what is the first, to your point,
hipocratic oath? First do no harm. I would argue that
unnecessary surgery chopping off body parts is indisputably a violation
of the hippocratic oath.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
This is JK.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Rowling just posted this buck the Harry Potter author who
has been outspoken about transrelated issues. She specifically linked this
two million dollar verdict that we're talking about, and she
said this will go down in history as one of
the worst medical scandals of all time, adults inside and
outside the medical profession sold troubled young people like Varian
(07:36):
the idea all of their complex trauma would be resolved
by removing healthy body parts. As more and more detransitioners
arrive in court, the public will learn the full extent
of the harm done to these kids in the name
of an ideology. Clinicians performing these treatments will go down
in history as barbarous activists who betrayed a sacred oath
to do no harm, which we just said, but we
(07:57):
should never forget how many people outside the medical profession
urge these young people on, gleefully assuring them anyone advising
caution was an evil bigot. There are people in elitist
professions like publishing in academia, not to mention, politicians and
celebrities with young fan bases who did all they could
to champion the idea of gender identity and kept pushing
(08:19):
it even as the evidence of harm mounted. They're just
as culpable as these clinicians. Never forget, because only by
learning the lesson can we stop this happening again. Really
well said she maybe has a future in writing, but buck,
I do think that if you're wondering. You're saying, Okay, Clay, well,
how does this two million dollar verdict? How does it
(08:41):
change things? All of these hospitals that did these surgeries,
a lot of them are run by cowards. But those
cowards will now be able to argue instead of getting
crosswise with the transgender community, they're going to say, Hey,
this isn't a political decision. This is just a business decision.
We can't risk tens of millions of dollars in liability
on lawsuits here. We're going to end these surgeries. So
(09:04):
the plaintiff lawyers ironically are actually the heroes because by
putting financial damages on these cases, particularly in places like
New York. Way, don't they start having these cases in Alabama? Way,
don't they start having those places in Tennessee, Florida. These numbers,
I want, Ruth.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I want the most aggressive ambulance chasers in history all
over this one. And I want them to take these
practitioners to the cleaners.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I want them to go.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
So if you've ever been like a slip and fall attorney,
now's your chance to be the hero because and I
mean that because this is critical, because Clay, not only
what you said is absolutely essential, And that's what I
meant about feeling the pain, the financial pain. Yes, these
places must be there must be consequences for this. Yeah,
have we won the argument? Well, any will any democrat
on a TV show sit there and really argue with
(09:51):
me or you or somebody on our side about whether
men have a physical advantage.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Over women in sports.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Even when Neil de grass Tyson tried that, he got
completely you know, laughed off the stage. You know, you
have all these different people that have been pretending that
they don't know this, and they've known it all along.
Beyond just the financial pain though, Clay, this will get
(10:18):
into court record. What really happened. Yeah, because the media
is silent on this for the most we're talking about this.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
This is a huge deal.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
This is massive liability for all of these surgeries, all
of these hospitals all over the country, and they're acting
like it doesn't happen because I think they don't know
what to do right now. I think they're in a
bit of a of a paralysis. And Clay, once this
stuff comes out, because when people find out these surgeries
don't work, they do not have the intended effect, and
(10:52):
the people that said otherwise were lying. They were lying
because it made them feel good to lie, and they
children to the wolves so that they could feel righteous,
so that they could get invited to the you know,
the Grammys or the Malibu Kamala fundraiser or whatever. That's
(11:13):
the whole game here, and these people should be ashamed
of themselves.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It also shows the colossal amount of fear in asking
questions because most people in real life recognized how ridiculous
this was. But the power of calling someone a bigot,
or the power of calling someone a transphobe, it actually
paralyzed and froze so many people out there who knew better.
(11:40):
And this is where this whole toxic empathy idea has
been so effective on the left, is it basically silences
people who knew better. And that's why I say, like,
the real story here is not that we've got some
unbelievable revelation that has suddenly made clear what we've been
talking about on this program for five years together. It's
(12:00):
that the business people now see a liability that they
didn't see before, and so they can say, this is
not political, this is just business. And look the idea
and and I do think jk Rowling is right that
in the years ahead, the people who allowed this to
happen are going to be seen as modern day Frankenstein's
I mean barbarians, And I think everybody who did these
(12:22):
surgery should lose their medical license. Candidly, I don't think
you can have a medical license and have operated on minors.
And in the same way, Buck, you've talked about in
Middle Eastern countries, doctors wouldn't chop off arms or hands.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
This was in Pakistan when under the Zier regime they
said they were going to start removing hands for stealing
and doctors, you know, because they were mostly all Western
trained by the way, we're like, no, we're not going
to put time to do this, remove their hand.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So you got people removing organs, I mean, you know breast,
you got people chopping I mean, it's it's it's barbaric
on a level that I don't think people have really
dove into your point, Buck, is the health of these
people is fundamentally altered forever. You're making sure they never
have kids. And these are choices being made at fourteen
fifteen years old. Well think about and this is a
(13:09):
tough one, but if you haven't read it, Ion Hersi
Ali's Infidel book, which is really an autobiography. She talks
about FGM, which is female genital mutilation, which was forced
upon her as a young girl and done with a
glass shart, a piece of glass. If somebody walked into
(13:32):
an American hospital and said, my religion dictates that you
need to do this on my daughter or my wife
or whatever it may be, the doctors would be like,
I'm calling the cops. Yeah, why is that different?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Why is it? A great question?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Someone explained to me the difference removing a healthy body
part because somebody says I think you should remove it.
They removed young girl's breast. Honestly, people should go to
prison over this. I know that's not going to happen,
but that a minimum, they should face massive financial penalty.
And I have no by the way, zero sympathy, Zero
(14:07):
sympathy for anybody who did these procedures, Zero sympathy for
anybody who pushed these girls these Unfortunately, psychiatry is full
of left wing kooks overwhelmingly. I know we probably have
like a few right wing psychiatrists to listen to this show,
but it's the most left wing medical profession. Something we
need to address. By the way, because I think maxism
is mental illness. Being a Democrat these days is basically
(14:28):
commensurate with mental illness.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It's actually not significant enough to strip these people of
their medical license. To your point, I think they should
face criminal charges. To me, that is the bare minimum
that should happen here. I think it's the next step.
I think you'll start to hear more and more people
call for it. As we investigated me Buck, some of
these people did hundreds of surgeries to remove sexual organs
and body parts.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And this is not bravado. This is and every father,
listen and Clay, you're a father three times over. You
know I would go to prison before I let someone
do this to my on. Yeah, I agree. I would
go to prison, whatever that means. And I would sleep
like a baby at night knowing that at least I
was a father, and at least I didn't abandon my post.
(15:11):
I don't know what else to say, Everybody, this is
the madness in this country. Finally, this darkness is receding
and we are seeing the wreckage that has been left.
It's just the beginning of Clay, though it might be
some cases, by the way, where the jury goes against
mentioned this is in Westchester. It's a little surprising, but
there might be some very blue areas that they go
no no damages. So the battle is just starting here,
(15:33):
no no doubt.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
And this is why I want the Red States to
because I think somebody could get hit. You know, you
get to see those headlines, You're like, holy cow, hundreds
of millions of dollars. I think some of these places
could get hit with verdicts in the hundreds of millions
of dollars. Where truly, even if you're in a blue state,
you say, boy, we don't know what jury we're gonna get.
And it's a shame that it ever had to get here,
(15:55):
But I get salute this jury in New York for
the day images. I think, frankly, two million is not enough,
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We're talking about this big, big lawsuit that ended up
with a two million dollar posted a two million dollar
verdict in Westchester over the trans surgery for minors. A
couple of things here. The American Society of Plastic Surgeons
has now recommended against gender transition surgery for youths, becoming
the first major medical association in the US. But Clay,
they've been followed by the American Medical Association as well.
(17:30):
So we talked about suddenly this verdict happens, and a
lot of people who knew better are now coming out.
I think that's going to lead to an interesting question, Buck,
because if it's not good for under eighteens, I think
there's also going to start to be a question, Wait
a minute, is this surgery that should be allowed for
adults either. I think it's going to turn into a
real challenge for hospitals on a lot of levels. Few
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Speaker 1 (18:54):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Okay, we're
talking about the two million dollar verdicts in Westchester. The
reaction of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons and the
American Medical Association both to say now that transition surgeries,
gender change surgeries, however you want to classify it for
under eighteen year old, should not happen. Many lawsuits are
(19:17):
going to continue, Buck, I would just add to our
conversation that we've already had. I think this is going
to spread to adults as well, because I think if
you're going to say, well, a sixteen year old shouldn't
be able to make this decision given the health implications
and impacts. I know, age of majority matters, but a
nineteen year old or a twenty year old rendering themselves
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permanently sterile without truly understanding what they were doing. I
think these lawsuits are going to expand, and I think
the entire concept of so called.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Gender change surgery is is going to be.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Attacked on a level that should have happened long before now,
but is going to become much more substantial.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Comparison we've made here in the past on the show
to body integrity, body identity integrity disorder, I think it's
called the ID where you just and this is a
real thing. You can look it up where people you know,
there's some men none to own.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Some mental illness. People can have a very different degrees.
A lot of people, some of you listening, have a
little bit of anxiety. Maybe it would be clinically diagnosed
as anxiety, but you can control that and you know,
a little breathing exercises, right, it exists on this long
span of the same thing with depression. Some people get
a little depressed. Sometimes you're just responding to life events
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and you can be down. Sometimes maybe it's a little
bit more biochemical body integrity. Identity disorders are very severe
and serious mental illness. Right, this is something it's where
you believe that you shouldn't have an arm or you
should be paralyzed. It's a very scary, but it's a
real thing that can happen to people. No doctor would
expect to keep his or her license. No doctor would
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expect the media apparatus in this country to come to
their defense if they removed a healthy arm because the
patient wanted it removed. You just wouldn't do that, right,
And we've been saying all along the comparison between this
and these gender transition surgeries is very apt. It is
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very real and to your point, Clay, right now we're
just talking about the mutilation of kids and some accountability
for that, and the most importantly now also stopping you know,
you want to stop the damage, stop the casualties from continuing.
But Clay, I think this is mutilation for adults as well. Yeah,
I think it's completely medically. You know the guy who
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did this for the longest time, I forget his name
at Johns Hopkins University. That was essentially the guy. After
thirty years of gender transition surgery, you know, seeing all
these things is like, it's probably not a good idea, guys.
And then of course you had to go into hiding
death threats because unfortunately, the transactivists are pretty much which
the most insane left wing people in America.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, that's accurate, not.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Just trans people, transactivists, right, they are crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
They are completely off their rocker, and they're dangerous. Sometimes.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yes, they're committing crimes off the charts relative to their population.
With the shooter in Minneapolis, the shooter in Nashville at
the two different schools, the Charlie Kirk shooter was a
dating a trans related person, and Buck, you hit on
this years ago, and I do think it's worth coming
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back to. They believe it's genocide the trans community if
you do not allow them to trans. They believe it's genocide.
And I think a lot of people out there in
the audience they really haven't spent a lot of time
thinking about this. But back in the day, and let's
say the nineteen eighties, if you were I think Rup
Paul right or something like, you dressed up as a
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somebody who was different sex, but you didn't claim that
you were actually across dressing.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
You're talking about somebody who's which.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Was like, you know, something that happened, the transition between hey,
like it makes me happier to wear a skirt, or
it makes me happier to wear you know, like boy's
clothes or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Too.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I have changed my gender and if you don't allow
me to do it, it is the equivalent of a genocide.
That is the justification under which they engage in violent
acts because they believe that anyone who is trying to
stop the certain militant aspects of the trans community believes
that anyone who's trying to stop these surgeries from being
allowed is actually engaged in genocide. They're eradicating these people
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from the earth.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
People will points to there's a long history of transvestites,
and in fact, in theater, for example, men played all
the roles of women. So yes, dressing up as women.
But dressing up as women is harmless. I mean, whether
you think it's weird or not, that's up to you.
But it's harmless and it's a person. There's no problem.
If somebody wants to wear a dress, they're welcome to
wear a dress, but we're allowed to know that it's
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we're allowed to say, well, that's a dude in address yep.
And this is the rejection of reality, which is again
whether there's a whole chapter in Manufacturing Delusion about this
very issue, which I recommend you go get right now
on Amazon. Go buy a pre order copy please, or
the audiobook also you can hear my voice do the
whole book. The gender the gender affirmation thing that they use,
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this gender transition rhetoric lay is all meant to get
people to give up their right to speak the truth.
Because if you're willing to say that I don't know
the difference be in a man and a woman, you
can say anything. There's nothing that can't be forced upon you.
So it's really the ultimate intellectual subjugation that we're talking about.
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I don't know the difference between a penis and a vagina.
That's a pretty fundamental thing that you can't tell the
difference between gender assigned at birth. To use this language,
this was just brainwashing on the scale of the Maoist
cultural revolution. People went mad with this stuff, and we
are finally, finally at an inflection point where we haven't won,
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but it is turning back the other way. This is
moving back in the direction of sanity. And for the
plaintiff's lawyers out there, you mentioned this earlier. I think
they're going to be recruiting some of these young people
who had these surgeries. They're going to be advertising for it.
The verdicts are going to be truly transformative. In many
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different Red states and all of these different hospitals, you're
going to see a drip drip drip of hey, we're
not allowing this anymore. I mean, Minneapolis, it's crazy. Ben,
just a friend of mine, Ben Grossman, just sent me
this Children's Minnesota plans to stop prescribing puberty blockers and
hormones to minors. You're going to see that's you know,
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in Minnesota, You're going to see more and more hospitals
just say we can't do this anymore because of the
liability risk. And again my point on this is a
lot of people in medicine knew this was bunk, but
they were so afraid of being labeled transphobic or being
attacked for opposing these surgeries that they didn't have the
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courage to say it. Now, suddenly the beam counters inside
of these hospitals can raise their hand and say, wait
a minute, you know we're risking millions of dollars in
verdicts if we keep doing these. Look at what just
happened in New York. Why I think it's so significant. Well, also,
this comes on the heels of the other massive failure
of institutional medicine, which was the response of the AMA
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and the CDC, And go down the list of the
COVID pandemic where they abandoned science in the name of politics. Yes,
this was a mass hysteria throughout medicine. Clay, I am
still ticked off. And by the way, I no longer
I I mean fired isn't the right word. But I
got rid of or stopped seeing my primary care doctor
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at University of Miami Medical Center because when I moved
down here, I said, all I need a new primary
care I need to get my check up done. And
they were having everybody mask up. Yeah, this was a
couple of years ago. This wasn't This wasn't you know.
This is like when the pandemic's over and everyone's gotten
the bad shots that we didn't need to get and
the whole thing was preposterous. They're still making people mask up.
They still have mask up signs around there. I don't
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trust you as a part. I don't care how smart
you are. I don't care what your IQ is. If
you were not able to figure out that the whole
masking thing was a mass Pavlovian compliance exercise, you are
not smart enough to make decisions about my health or
anyone else's. You're not brave enough. Maybe brave is the
better word. You're not brave enough to make decisions about
my health or anybody else's. And we've seen the same thing,
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the lack of spine, the lack of bravery when it
comes to defending children against these mutilation surgeries.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Well, I'll remember one of my favorite of the spineless
moves that we all saw during COVID was when the
pediatric group came out and said kids need to be
back in school. Do you remember this, The American Association
of Pediatric Doctors or whatever it was called. They said, oh, no, no, no, no,
we don't need in twenty twenty, it's more significant harm
(28:04):
to kids to keep them out of school than to
put them back in school during COVID. And then they
completely flip flopped because Trump also was in favor of
schools opening, and so they just reversed their their their
designation teachers' unions were saying, oh, remember, everybody's gonna die.
Oh my goodness, there's you know, we're gonna be on
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the front lines. It's basically the equivalent of being of war.
And they reversed themselves, which is a sign that they
were never about the science. They were just engaging in
political propaganda, and they had to make people, you know,
bend over in a way that.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
They they were in favor of.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
They natural immunity was. That was the biggest thing that
they really had no answer for. Whatsoever. Right they're making
everyone get COVID tests. I'm sorry, I know we're getting
in COVID thing year. But it's tied directly into the
madness of the gender mutilation surgeries for kids. Institutional medicine
abandoned their post, betrayed the hippocratic oath, and these institutions
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should be ripped down to the studs. They should be
forced to be accountable for what happened here. Remember when
all of a sudden, if you had gotten a virus,
it did you weren't you didn't have immunity afterwards to it,
And we would say, well, hold on, you're making me
test I test positive. I'm clear I test negative two
weeks later, I should be good. Now, No, you still
(29:26):
have to get.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
A shot for this. Yeah, this is this is inexplicable.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
This is you know, little little Fauci, the worst little
coward I've ever seen in my life, really is the
avatar for this madness and this failure. Do you think
Fauci ever spoke up on the trans surgery issue. Do
you think Fauci ever had anything to say about it?
These people are shameful And unfortunately, medicine was overtaken in
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the last thirty years by a really collectivist mentality. And
there's a lot of reasons for this, and we could
get into this, but it became an incredibly conformist, over
eurocratized and much less. And by the way, I know
there are great doctors, some of my doctors, literally some
of my doctors listening to the show right now, and
you're amazing, so thank you. But overall there are doctors
(30:11):
who just became a part of this blob who no
longer realized that the whole point is to treat people clay,
and to do it not only thing by your patients,
not only that the entire point of science is to
question everything and to your point, they became the most
conformist industry almost in America, where everybody had to agree
(30:31):
on every single different issue, which actually is the antithesis
of science itself, which is questioning and continuing to advance
different hypotheses and theories to lead to us to the
more accurate place. And so you think they're going to
boot Peter Attia from the CBS roster. He's had a
rough one, speaking of the Epstein files and everything else,
(30:53):
he's had a rough one. I always thought he always
had some pretty good stuff to say. He was on
that Rogan podcast all the time. He was like the
favorite health longevity guy of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Bros. Really tough to explain.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
To people why you would rather be with Epstein than
in the hospital when your son, your baby son is
in the ICU.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
That's a tough one. That's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
A lot of people getting caught up in the Epstein mess,
and by the way, a lot of them. In addition
to maybe you can see why a lot of people
didn't want these emails to come out. We talked about
it a great deal yesterday. But I also think it's
it's evidence of this sort of group think dynamic that
(31:36):
was in play there when Epstein was donating money, a
lot of people were willing to look away from the
charges against him and everything else. And the left in particular,
I think has been exposed on the Epstein situation way
worse than people on the right in general have been
as well.
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And we have doctor Dave, who's a former er doc,
wants to talk to us about this situation of the
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transsurgery award in the court.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
What's going on?
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Yeah, high Clay, hi buck. This is sort of all
based on just my thoughts. But I retired from the
AR about twenty years ago, kind of just about when
the sinsanity was starting up. When I finished my medical training.
You have to make a choice, and one thing about
pediatrics was fielding going into more for dedication than to
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get paid well because they always were known to have
compared to surgery feels and everywhere else you can do
procedures and procedures pay Now, let me just get say,
as a pediatrician, you will give me an example. At
the very end of my career, there was a young
pediatrician who had been called into another hospital er because
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he was on call in the middle of night for
a Medicaid baby. He had no real previous contact with
who was two months and potentially septic. He spent four
hours spinal tap watching, getting results and deciding what to do.
It's a critical decision. You send the baby home and
make a mistake, the baby will probably die. You put
the baby in the hospital. You got to put him
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on the mass of antibiotics. There's a virus or as
the bacteria. However, for the whole thing of hours, he
got paid for a spinal tap. Now, four days later,
he's at my ar. It happened the baby who was
supposed to he had arranged to see a pediatrician the
next day. They never followed up. Whether the baby got
antibiotics for four days or not, no one really knows.
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But now the baby is back in the middle night
at my jar. And he happened to be the same
doctor on call from my hospital that night, and now
he's back with that baby. For spending two nights with
that baby, he probably got paid maybe about three or
four hundred dollars. A surgeon coming in doing a procedure
would have gotten thousands. Now I'm not saying it's him,
it's the whole field. And I think when this opportunity
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arose to start getting big money for something new. I
think that was the t.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Thank you for the call, I I.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I think that is important, not only for this aspect,
because Buck, the amount of cost on the surgeries is
through the roof. The data actually reflects that, unfortunately, we
are incentivizing lots of doctors to do all sorts of
unnecessary procedures that don't actually make most of us healthier,
but do pad the revenue of the hospitals and the
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medical field. And you know the data, I think you
could probably eliminate seventy five percent of all medical treatments
and you would have no change in overall outcome.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
That's my theory.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
We'll come back in. We'll dive into more of this story. Uh,
I want to talk Tom Holman and Ice. Tom Holman
and Ice stuff for sure. He sets some important stuff
about Minneapolis. We'll get into that too coming up
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