August 13, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show focuses heavily on politics, culture, sports, and current events, beginning with discussion of the strong U.S. economy under President Donald Trump, including record highs for the S&P 500 and the hosts’ view that investors are benefiting from continued market gains. The hosts also discuss ongoing tensions involving Iran and spend time reflecting on White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt’s announced departure, praising her tenure in the Trump administration while recalling her earlier appearances on the program during her New Hampshire congressional campaign. A major centerpiece of Hour 1 is an extended debate over the WNBA, women’s sports, gender identity, and player eligibility rules. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton analyze reports that WNBA executives, owners, and player representatives met to discuss participation standards and criticize the league for, in their view, failing to clearly define what constitutes a woman while issuing statements condemning online hostility. The hosts reference former NBA players Enes Kanter Freedom and Royce White declaring for the WNBA draft, discuss the broader controversy surrounding transgender participation in women’s athletics, cite past comments made during Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson’s confirmation hearings, and examine potential legal, scientific, competitive, and cultural implications for women’s sports. They also discuss WNBA public messaging, comments from Indiana Fever coach Stephanie White, questions surrounding competitive fairness, performance-enhancing substances, intersex athlete policies, and the future of female-only athletic competitions. Beyond sports, the hour branches into broader cultural and political commentary, including listener reactions, generational debates, fashion trends such as baggy jeans and beards, discussion of country music’s popularity relative to rap music, references to Juice WRLD and the ongoing Tupac Shakur murder case, and analysis of New York politics. The hosts examine the political standing of Zohran Mamdani, discuss Abdul El-Sayed, speculate about the future influence of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and evaluate the direction of progressive politics nationally and in New York City.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Thursday edition, Clay and Buck. I hope all
of you are having a fantastic day. We have got
a loaded show coming your way. Let's have some fun
positive right off the top here. As you all know,
I like to bring to positivity. S and P five
hundred setting yet another all time record high. The five
(00:26):
hundred biggest companies in the United States have never been
more highly valued. If you have four oh one k's,
if you have any stock investments at all, congratulations, you
have more money than you have ever had in the
history of your investments as they are hitting record highs
as we speak on this day, continued drama surrounding Iran.
(00:49):
Caroline Levitt is out. She announces that she is going
to be leaving as White House Press Secretary. I think
we had told you that that was highly likely to
happen before this year was out. So she is announced
she is leaving at the end of August. Very successful
career and tenure that she had as a part of
Trump two point zero and during the course of the
(01:11):
campaign she not only had one baby, but two babies,
and so it has been a crazy time for her,
and she says she wants to spend more time with
those two babies, and given the job that she has,
which basically doesn't ever cease, it is hard to do
that as the White House Press Secretary.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
So thank you to her for her work there.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You guys have known Caroline for a long time because
we had her on the program quite a lot during
the twenty twenty two midterms when she ran for Congress
in her home state of New Hampshire. You could say
we were early Caroline Levitt adopters if you will, or
that's accurate. Yeah, that is one hundred percent accurate. Okay, Buck,
I see the leading. We may have offered her a job,
(01:55):
by the way, before she got the press secretary job.
Can't blamers. He was smart to hold out.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
That's a well.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
We've had several people who have been a part of
our network that have gone right into the right into
the administration. Nicole Safire and our friend Sean Parnell both
stepped out of the Clay and Buck podcast network into
the White House.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
To be senior senior roles in the Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yep, that is that is how it goes so who knows,
maybe one of somebody else in the in the podcast
universe will be stepping into the UH into that world.
But Buck, I look up right now and the leading
story on Fox News WNBA not being able to define
what a woman is. This is I can't believe this
(02:40):
is real. But the story is dominating. We will do
three hours today. I guarantee you the most watched, the
most talked about, the most clipped segment that we will
do on.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
This three hours.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
And Buck, I know you're like kind of a disbelief
it will be this discussion about the WNBA. I will
put my money where my mouth is. I will tell
you the numbers are through the roof Fox News opening
out numbered with the lead story being this, Okay, we've
got a couple of new cuts, big picture.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Buck. They had a meeting of all of the powerbrokers of.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
The WNBA, the top owners, the top league executives, top
players association members.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
They all set around.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
They met for hours yesterday trying to discuss what the
criteria to play in the Women's National Basketball Association is.
Remember the w stands for women's Buck, they cannot figure
out what a woman is. And so they finished this
(03:51):
meeting by issuing this statement. All right, the WNBA said
that they were they couldn't tell you what a woman is,
but they condemned the hate and vitriol online, the bad
faith efforts. These are direct quotes to demean or marginalize others.
(04:14):
So they didn't actually tell you what a woman was. Instead,
they said, everybody is being mean to us online. We
decry their hate, their transphobia. This is the most left
wing organization maybe on the planet right now, and they
do not seem to be able to define a very
(04:34):
basic question, which back in the day kindergarten cop was
quite good at. Boys have penises, girls have vaginas. Maybe
we can pull that clip, send it to the WNBA
to help make some decisions here. And you may say, okay,
this is crazy, but remember Katanji Brown Jackson was asked
by our friend, Senator Marsha Blackburn at her confirmation hearings
(04:57):
if she could say what a woman was, and she
said she was not a biologist. If I remember correctly,
that was her answer under oath at her testimony to
be allowed on the Supreme Court. And so, Buck, we
now are in a position where you have two former
first round NBA draft picks Enus Kanter and also a
(05:21):
Royce White, but we have audio here. They have declared
for the WNBA draft. The league is scrambling to try
to figure out whether or not they can remain in
and there are a couple of cuts here. The Indiana
Fever head coach said kindness will win and everybody else
can go to hell. This is a real quote. Listen
(05:44):
to this, Stephanie White, cut seven.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
The hate, the fear mongering, the divisiveness, the stuff that's
trying to hijack.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Our league will not win. It won't win.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
We are united, we are connected, be divided every day.
These women put their on the line. Every day. When
they go low, we go high. Love will win, grace
will win, Humility will win, and kindness will win.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I stand by them.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I will always stand by them.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Everybody else can go to hell. I think that it's
going to be believe this is real.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It's going to be exciting to see the kindness and
the inclusiveness that they extend to Eni's Canter freedom when
he becomes a WNBA player. The w DOZ in fact
stand for women. What is a woman? They are uncertain
at this point. They are looking into it, Clay is
my understanding. They are going to look at the data.
(06:47):
They think it needs more study, so they're going to
do a little bit of a dusting off the notebooks
and look into this what is a woman situation? And
Eni's cantor freedom should definitely be allowed in as well
as these other players. Who's the other one? Royce right
was white? Royce White should definitely be allowed in the WNBA.
(07:08):
And then they can all be kind to the actual
females in the WNBA when they feel like their league
is being made a mockery of because it's no longer
the WNBA, it is something else when you allow men
into it.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
This is the only logical conclusion.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
They can say these things like this coach all day
that dances around the subject matter.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
The fact of the matter is they've got a problem.
They have an ideology that they will not give up
on that completely undermines and would actually destroy disintegrate the
thing that they professionally do.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Everything else is just it's just talking. It's talking around
the issue. It's not about kindness. It's about do you
actually allow men to play in your league?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Let me actually do this, Buck, because I never would
have believed that this was necessary. But I do think
that the WNBA is panicked because they've been put into
a tough spot. Let me give you a couple of
facts that I haven't heard very many people talk about,
and then let me put on the lawyer hat here
for a moment. First of all, the WNBA already has
(08:20):
a woman who identifies as a man that is played,
and I believe is still playing in the league. Okay,
this is a woman who entered into transtreatment, probably is
getting pumped full of testosterone, and the league has allowed
her to continue to be eligible even though she identifies
(08:43):
as a man. The fact Buck that they have not
adopted the Women's Tennis Association, the International Olympic Committee or
the NCAA, that's college Athletics, the Olympics and tennis basic
standards where you do a cheek swab and you just
determine one time are you a woman or not biologically
and then it doesn't apply anymore. Makes me believe that
(09:06):
they are concerned that they have players already who would
not pass as women if they were given a cheek swap.
That's one of the questions here's the challenge legally, Buck,
So you think there are trans players already? I think
there may be. And again this gets into kind of
like the castor Semnias of the world you're talking about.
(09:27):
So you're talking about interested there. You think there might
be some intersex players with hormone issues. Yes, interesting that
would not qualify under the Olympics, for instance, to be
considered biological women. It makes me wonder because they won't
just put this test in. Here's the issue they're going
to have. They've already allowed this woman identifying as a man,
(09:48):
probably to pump her body through god knows how much
testosterone to play. In order to exclude Enus Cancer Freedom
and Royce White, they are going to have to say
that they are not women. In order to say that
they are not women, they're going to have to acknowledge
that they do in fact know what a woman is.
(10:10):
And that is why I think they're in a legally
untenable position, because the other option is that they could
define what a woman is. They could just allow all men, right,
which they don't want to do, which would basically end
the WNBA because there would be no female players if
men are eligible who identify as women to play and
(10:30):
so buck they can't collude now right, it would be antitrust.
You'd be able to sue. They can't change the definitions
because they've already arguably entered into by filing their draft
eligibility statements. So I think that they if they refuse
to draft these guys and just said we're going to collude,
(10:52):
that would open them up to millions and millions substantial damages.
I think that this is me being just a lawyer
and treating this as a serious question. I think that
legally they are on untenable ground, and that doesn't even
analyze the political ramifications of this. Like ESPN shared the
(11:13):
news they couldn't say what a woman was and they
just got utterly eviscerated online. Normal guys and gals out
there are just saying, what in the world is going
on here?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
And this is blowing up on them.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And before we even get deep into the science, and
you're talking about the intersex possibility, there are and this
is when people like to get on the left. They
like to pretend all of a sudden that they're really
about the science. There are hormonal and chromosomal abnormalities that
can occur it's very rare, but it can occur. But
(11:46):
that's not what we're talking about here. Really, that's actually
not what the issue is as we know. And because
they say trans players, they're not saying intersex players. And
they could have a standard, a scientific standard for intersex
players that would be applicable. You can actually enforce a
scientific standard about whether you'd allow intersex players that or not.
(12:07):
That would still exclude I have long hair and painted fingernails.
I'm now a lady when I'm actually a man. But Clay,
the other.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Part of this is you step back and you say,
why if gender isn't this thing that is so important
for physical capability, why have a w NBA in the
first place.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Why have women's sports period? Well, this is the thing.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Why not just have all sports be co ed and
let the best man or woman or they them win. Yes,
this is why normal people, just everyday Americans can understand
this at a level that the system that the apparatus
of trans inclusivity can't seem to wrap its head around.
(12:55):
It's just as straightforward as why have women's athletics at all?
If it wouldn't be the end of women's athletics to
allow men to play in women's athletics. You don't even
have to get into the scientific question beyond that, yes. So,
and by the way, it's also interesting you say that
there might be somebody or there's somebody in the league
who's taking testosterone as a woman, if you've gone through
female puberty, then adding a bunch of testosterone into your
(13:19):
first of all, it's a performance enhancing drug.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Which is the issue that I think is they might
let them take steroids, yes.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Which you know that maybe, but your your physiology mean
a woman's body. This is getting into someone that can
only process so much testosterone play and actually excess testosterone
if you're a guy, gets converted into estrogen or estradile.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
So it's not just like, oh, I'm a woman, I
want to be a guy.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Now I'm gonna jack myself up with as much testosterone
as possible. You might get some facial hair, but you're
gonna have a whole lot of other problems as well,
and you're not just gonna get giant you know Schwarzenegger muscles.
That's not how it works. So this whole thing is crazy.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
To your point, I don't know at this phase is
how they get around it. I think they're just going
to try to keep doing what you saw that coach do,
which is just talk about love and inclusion and hope
that it goes away and attack anybody like you or me,
or the eighty plus percent of normal Americans out there
that are saying this is ludicrous, it makes no sense.
(14:18):
I also think Buck, this ties in with Francesca Hong
on the whole Thanksgiving thing. This cuts through Why is
that going to be so watched all of this discussion?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Why is it everywhere? Because people understand it. There's a
lot of political issues that are very complicated and it's
hard to grapple with. Thanksgiving needs to be canceled because
America is too racist people.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
It's a record scratch moment.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Now that was the worst that are saying I'm scared
of white people basically, which was pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Men are eligible to play women's sports.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
It also cuts through and just lets people know that
you can't be trusted. We'll take some calls on this.
By the way, lines will be loaded in thirty second.
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on your take that Wall Street Journal had a big
piece about that this morning, and Caroline Levitt leaving. We'll
get into all of that and more. Plus Abdul Lsayed
(15:15):
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football against Mike Rodgers, which is really hysterical and also
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Speaker 4 (16:35):
All the lines are ringing. We will get your calls
here momentarily. But there was this high level meeting of
the WNBA, the Women's.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
National Basketball Association.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Emphasis on the women and because Clinton are all about
the ladies, we're here to defend ladies and ladies' sports,
to be clear. But if there's any confusion, perhaps they
could be directed the directors of the WNBA. A classic
of nineties cinema, Kindergarten Cop, which the team pulled a
clip of play.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It police have a penis girls half of that China.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Clay that is in fact the case, and the WNBA
does seem somewhat confused. That is an amazing clip. I
would suggest to our social media team that if we
can use that kindergarten cop clip and uh and put
it together with some of the takes here on the show,
that it will do quite well on the internet. That
(17:32):
is such a I remember that clip. That is such
a funny clip. You know, somebody could use AI to
give a left wing woman like lecturing the five year
old as a teacher about all the six different genders.
Maybe James James Tallerico could could provide us all lecture
on that. By the way, every line ringing, we will
(17:53):
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(19:03):
A lot of people weighing in with a variety of
different takes. Let's go to some of these. Julie in Florida,
what you got for.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Is Julie.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Dune.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Guys, thanks a lot for all you do. I have
a thought about this. When this female basketball player claims
that she's a boy, maybe it's so she can get
a prescription for the performance enhancing drugs just to play
better and get more money. But I can probably assure
that she has not agreed to add a dict to
me surgery?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
What is I mean?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
That sounds like it could mean a lot of things
with the middle part of that, But what kind of surgery.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Is that.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Add a dick to me?
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Clay, You just fell into that one. This is like,
this is like you just fell that one, Julie. That
is unbelievable. Julie is not a medical professional. I think
I think she is uh got you on into that
like my uh, like my son did his d's jokes.
(20:05):
For those of you out there, that's an homage to
Rush as well.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
By the way, the the the the joke is an
homaged rush to be.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yes, right.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I walked right into it, I thought, because I was
trying to take it to Julie. Very very funny, well done.
Make sure we clip that. I was trying to uh uh.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Team was spelling it out first. Now, guys, we get it.
We get it. Yeah, they're writing it out first, No,
we understand.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We But the way the way it was written by
producer Gregan here was like this was a surgery. I
was taking it seriously because she did this woman have
her breast removed.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And is playing in the w n b A. She
had the top surgery.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I thought that might be the official Latin term for
with the surgery that you have when your breast are removed.
But god, that it's rare that I almost lose it
on air. I was not expecting Julie to drop that
Ben in Colorado, Ben, what you got for us?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (21:10):
I just wanted to say that they'd the WNBA is
just not ready for prime time, like they wanted the
extra money, but they just didn't want all the extra attention.
You know the quote the late great Biggy Smalls, more money,
more problems.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Great song. I believe it's more money, more problems.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Well, there you go, Buck and I have a strong
amount of nineteen nineties rap knowledge, which would I think
quite surprise a lot of people who listen to this program.
Speaking of which, did you see that they have begun
in Las Vegas the trial of the man who was
accused of killing Tupac Shakur, the murder trial. I saw
(21:51):
headline on this. Yea, yeah, has has started in Las Vegas.
The shooting I believe it was nineteen ninety five or
nineteen ninety six. And then Biggie was also shot in
the East Coast West Coast rap feud.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Did you like.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Biggie Smalls or Tupac more? Oh, if you were from
New York City, you and you were a kid of
you're one hundred percent a Biggie Smalls person because of
the whole East Coast West Coast thing. But I will
say a lot of us, even in our teenage years,
were like, this isn't fun anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
People are getting shot, Like what is this? This is
not physics stars.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, well the people who are the most famous people
in the entire hip hop genre. I think that a
lot of us thought of it more like WWE or
something like.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
It was a lot of talk and trash, but not
you're actually going.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
To be like, no one was actually going to shoot
somebody when people started shooting people. I actually did feel
like there was a big problem in the rap world.
Now we call it hip hop, it was rap. No
one calls it rap anymore. Really, you notice that they've
changed the name.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Have you noticed this?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Do you know what the most popular genre in all
of music is that is dominating across the country right now?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Country music?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yes, for those of you haven't paid attention, country is
dominating and rap has fallen on hard times. I would submit,
as one who has young boys who listen to modern rappers,
you can't understand any of this mumblecore rap stuff. Like
you might not like the lyrics back in the day,
but you could understand what was being said. Nowadays, much
(23:19):
of it is really really good. I will say, music
taste changes. I don't know, people are gonna start hitting
us for not being like the music connoisseurs of all
of all ages or something or all time. But I
will point this out when my parents would be like, hey,
I grew up listening to the led Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin
is cool. I listened to led Zeppelin when I was
a teenager, and I was like, you know, whether I
(23:40):
loved it or not, I'm like, this is this is
an amazing rock and roll band. You know, you'd like
you could appreciate it, even though it's from a different
a different time period. And I'm just saying a lot
of the music today is garbage and will always be garbage,
and nobody will ever think it is good beyond beyond
the people being force fed this today. Like though you
said mumblecore like that stuff, the kind of auto tuned
(24:02):
hip hop, overproduced stuff that they're doing right now is
just bad.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
It's just bad, the same way that some movies are
just bad.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Some music is just bad now. I don't care how
it does on the charts.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I'm gonna blow people's minds here because I do hear
a lot of modern music because of my kids. And
unfortunately this guy has passed. He had a drug overdose.
The most talented rapper of the last twenty years, in
my opinion, last ten years. Let's say guy named Juice World.
I bet he has a one percent recognition if you
(24:34):
said the Juice World, Juice World, my boys, my fifteen
year old in particular, he died of a drug overdose.
He had all sorts of as many musicians do, demons
related to drugs. He's incredible, like, really really good. I've
never been heard of this, I've never heard of this person. Yeah,
(24:55):
and you can actually hear his lyrics, and he's smart
and it was really well done.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
On the happy side of though.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Isn't the best or the mestay the best, maybe the best,
but certainly the most popular song in the country of
all genres right now, a country music song. She chose
Texas or something like that. Ella Langley, Yeah, which there
are a lot of people. He's a great song. There
are a lot of guys out there that call themselves
Ella fellas that are big fans of Ella Langley. She's
(25:21):
I'm gonna tell you this, She's she's one of the
rare ladies. Again getting fashion tips from Clay and Buck.
Will never lead you astray, Will never lead you astray. Okay.
The baggy jeans culter came on Clay yesterday totally back
me up on this baggy jeans thing.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Women being terrible.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
It's horrible. Okay, you look terrible to get wear other pants.
No one's doing you a favor by telling you to
put those pants on. I'll put this out there though,
Clay bangs tough to pull off. Ladies, you can do it.
I'm not saying you can't do this. This what's her name, Ella,
whatever her name is, what's it Ella Langley?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Ella Langley?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
She pulls off bangs, but it's a it's a tough
look to to make it work.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I don't know how popular it was in New York City.
Back in the day.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Women had what was called the poof. Do you remember
the poof bang era? That was like the late eighties,
like early nineties. Ever, not a good look like you
would work to have like the poof in your bangs.
Bangs generally speaking, tough. Bang's also tough to pull off
for men because you get the bama bang look like
the boys who have like you look like, uh, dumb
(26:24):
and dumber. You know, what's this? What's this name? Jim Carrey?
You know it's you don't want it is tough. So
I'm saying bangs are a risk. You can pull it off,
but they are a risk. Who else we got Matt
in Rockville, Maryland, just outside of Washington, d C. Montgomery County.
I believe Matt what you got for us?
Speaker 5 (26:44):
That was a diet trig guy.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
Good lord?
Speaker 5 (26:48):
If so, I gotta say the start off.
Speaker 8 (26:50):
If a brilliant new Supreme Court.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Justice who definitely wasn't chose for her skin color and
gender can't say what a biologist is, then the w
NBA has no chance.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
No, no, she couldn't hold on. She couldn't say what
a woman was because she said she was not a biologist.
So she might be able to defend what a biologist is,
just not able to defend what a woman is or
explain what a woman is.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
The other part is the WNBA is funded by the NBA,
a men's league. So if the WNBA prevents these beautiful
boss queen trans women of color from living their truth.
Speaker 8 (27:24):
Then it will be men.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Then they'll sue, So it'll be men being paid by men,
all because a group of women can't say what a
woman is.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Thank you for the call of that's perfect perfectly said
and buck. From a pure economic perspective, the average g
League player, the men's minor league, you have the NBA.
Those guys make millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions
of dollars. Then you have the G League. Average G
League player Buck makes forty five thousand dollars a year.
If you're listening to me right now, average WNBA player
(27:57):
makes five hundred thousand dollars a year. How many of
you would raise your right hand and say, I identify
as a woman to ten times your salary. What he
just said on that call, Buck is significant. If they
allow any men at all into the league, every woman
will lose her job because second tier men's basketball players
(28:20):
could make five hundred thousand dollars a year. In the WNBA,
there would be no women, and the G League guys
would all say, hey, I'll take half a million a
year to play basketball.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It will be a co ed like. It'll be like
a co ed league. Essentially.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
It's what will end up happening because you'll have men
and women playing together very rapidly, and then the women
will just eventually all get replaced because they're not good
enough to compete for the men's jobs. And this is
why I pointed out that in professional tennis, because mixed
doubles is already a category, and men and women trained
together hit together because you know, the men are better
than the women at the high level, but they're not
(28:57):
manhandling them. You're hitting a ball across a net. They
knew that this would be the end of women's tennis
in a heartbeat, right that if it was just open
play anyone can can be up for the three million
dollar US Open perse or even the opening, that that
this would be the disintegration of women's athletics or you know,
women's professional tennis overnight.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So they drew the line. WNBA has Clay.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
I think the WNBA is going to have to draw
the line eventually here, and they're going to do it,
and it's going to upset a lot of the left
wing trans LBTQIA plus plus plus community.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
It's all that, and they're just going to make a
lot of apologies for it. But I don't see a
way around it for them. It is they're in an
untenable legal position, to your point, and I do believe
that all of this is just exploding on them in
such a way that I think, you know, it was
(29:52):
eighty twenty. I think this has been something that has
moved it to ninety ten because I don't think there's
a normal guy. I think they're you know, the four
or five percent crazy left wing guys. I don't think
there's a normal man in America who can even defend this.
Remember what they usually say, Buck is they say, oh,
your motives are bad for making arguments against men and
(30:14):
women's sports, or they say, well, this isn't happening very often.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And both of those arguments are increasingly just being tossed
on the dustbin of history. And I think within ten
years you're going to have a lot of people that
are responding to this like they did COVID and masks,
where they just don't want to talk about the fact
that they ever supported it, like AOC said, woke one
point zero, haha, we said a lot of stupid things.
Let's just move on.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I think that there's going to be an element, it
may take several years still from here where democrats and
left wingers just pretend they never argued for men and
women's sports.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I just think they're waiting until they can force it
on us. Clay, I don't think that. I don't think
they're ever going to walk away from it. I think
they're just going to retreat.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
I think.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
This is a long, long range play for them, that
they're too too committed. Basically, yes, I think that they
will fight this to the very end because it would
be so psychologically destabilizing for people that truly believe this
to realize that they are wrong that And this is
also why a lot of the trans support community, not
(31:21):
trans individuals, but people that are pushing for the trans
stuff are among the most in all political discourse these days,
psychotic and vicious and violent and crazy. Yes, because this
goes to something that is really deep, more deep seated
than what the tax rate is. Can you tell what
a woman in a man is?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yes or no?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
This is, like I said, psychologically destabilizing for people. I
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We're taking calls, talkbacks, and also going to be having
a fun conversation coming up in a little bit with
Doug Schoen, who is a very well known pollster, and
he wrote an op ed the Wall Street Journal. He
thinks got a real shot. So we just want talk
about AOC. Some of you accusing me of being an
AOC super fan. Look, you know, I just I see
(33:08):
what's coming down the down the road here and she's
gonna be a challenge and for some folks on the right,
I'm telling you all right, I email come one hundred percent,
by the way, with you on that. And I think
people need We'll talk about that with Doug. And I
think people are sleeping on her potential electability. Yeah, I
think I think we remember we are the people that
(33:30):
are sitting here in the second term of Donald Trump,
who was the I've never been in politics reality TV
star ha ha ha, He'll never Really, We're in a
different era of politics now. Friends and media presence and
persona and panache. It's a fun word. All those things
make a big difference. Email coming in from a vip Kendra,
(33:51):
She writes, playing Buck, don't listen to these feckless women
complaining about nonsense. The beard for both of you is
a must. And I don't care what you guys are wearing,
coler or not, as long as you keep proclaiming the
beautiful message of conservatism.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Either way.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Baggy jeans are terrible, but barrel style jeans are the worst. Uh,
And there you go, Clay Yeah, kenra kenra gives it
a high five. Are people upset about our outfits. Look,
here's what I would say in general. One three hours
of new radio video is out there, and we're not
(34:29):
going to dress up and try to pretend to be
things that we are not. Like, we're wearing the same
clothes that we have for the past five years. And
on YouTube, there are not very many people who sit
in shirt and ties and talk to an audience in
that way.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
So you should go.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Subscribe to YouTube. I've had a beard for twenty four years.
We're a trend center on the beard. My beard only
dates back to twenty nineteen, so I'm at seven years now. No,
but may I got I grew a beard in two
thousand and two when almost no one had a beard,
certainly not young people. There were old college professors with
(35:09):
pipes and me basically that had beards. My wife won't,
I mean, go beardless. She wants our whole marriage, our
whole dating history is beard.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
She didn't have. So you have taken I think I
told you.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
This by the way that I assumed that male facial
hair and grooming had a huge correlation with US military
as sort of the pinnacle of American masculinity perception. I
actually did a little bit of looking into this. It's
completely true, it's absolutely accurate. I mean they can they
can trace this back to for example, the Gis in
(35:45):
World War Two were all clean shaven, and this was
and it was part of like the grooming standard, so
they all so that then perpetuated for a long time.
Clean shaven was like the very you know, masculine, manly thing,
and you want to have your wife.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Close to you with your clean shaven.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Whereas all these Afghan and Iraq bets come back, especially
the Specops guys with these bushy beards, and that's the
most badass things.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
That's actually a big part of it.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I will point out as a Civil War nerd everybody
had a beard in the Civil War era. Buckett actually
started that the military wanted everybody to be clean shaven
because Union Confederate North South everybody had a beard during
World War.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
One because they had to be able to put on
gas mass masks. Yep.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, so they needed it to be able to seal better,
and so clean shaven because of the gas mask thing
became a military tradition for much of the twentieth century.
All right, we come back, we got some awesome guests
coming your way. A bunch of callers that are out there.
We'll talk. Caroline Levitt abdual Lsied is even more radical
than maybe he has been criticized for. We will discuss
(36:48):
all that more, plus record rent in New York City
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Thursday edition, Clay and Buck. I hope all
of you are having a fantastic day. We have got
a loaded show coming your way. Let's have some fun
positive right off the top here. As you all know,
I like to bring to positivity. S and P five
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(00:26):
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as we speak on this day, continued drama surrounding Iran.
(00:49):
Caroline Levitt is out. She announces that she is going
to be leaving as White House Press Secretary. I think
we had told you that that was highly likely to
happen before this year was out. So she is announced
she is leaving at the end of August. Very successful
career and tenure that she had as a part of
Trump two point zero and during the course of the
(01:11):
campaign she not only had one baby, but two babies,
and so it has been a crazy time for her,
and she says she wants to spend more time with
those two babies, and given the job that she has,
which basically doesn't ever cease, it is hard to do
that as the White House Press Secretary.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
So thank you to her for her work there.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You guys have known Caroline for a long time because
we had her on the program quite a lot during
the twenty twenty two midterms when she ran for Congress
in her home state of New Hampshire. You could say
we were early Caroline Levitt adopters if you will, or
that's accurate. Yeah, that is one hundred percent accurate. Okay, Buck,
I see the leading. We may have offered her a job,
(01:55):
by the way, before she got the press secretary job.
Can't blamers. He was smart to hold out.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
That's a well.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
We've had several people who have been a part of
our network that have gone right into the right into
the administration. Nicole Safire and our friend Sean Parnell both
stepped out of the Clay and Buck podcast network into
the White House.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
To be senior senior roles in the Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yep, that is that is how it goes so who knows,
maybe one of somebody else in the in the podcast
universe will be stepping into the UH into that world.
But Buck, I look up right now and the leading
story on Fox News WNBA not being able to define
what a woman is. This is I can't believe this
(02:40):
is real. But the story is dominating. We will do
three hours today. I guarantee you the most watched, the
most talked about, the most clipped segment that we will
do on.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
This three hours.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
And Buck, I know you're like kind of a disbelief
it will be this discussion about the WNBA. I will
put my money where my mouth is. I will tell
you the numbers are through the roof Fox News opening
out numbered with the lead story being this, Okay, we've
got a couple of new cuts, big picture.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Buck. They had a meeting of all of the powerbrokers of.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
The WNBA, the top owners, the top league executives, top
players association members.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
They all set around.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
They met for hours yesterday trying to discuss what the
criteria to play in the Women's National Basketball Association is.
Remember the w stands for women's Buck, they cannot figure
out what a woman is. And so they finished this
(03:51):
meeting by issuing this statement. All right, the WNBA said
that they were they couldn't tell you what a woman is,
but they condemned the hate and vitriol online, the bad
faith efforts. These are direct quotes to demean or marginalize others.
(04:14):
So they didn't actually tell you what a woman was. Instead,
they said, everybody is being mean to us online. We
decry their hate, their transphobia. This is the most left
wing organization maybe on the planet right now, and they
do not seem to be able to define a very
(04:34):
basic question, which back in the day kindergarten cop was
quite good at. Boys have penises, girls have vaginas. Maybe
we can pull that clip, send it to the WNBA
to help make some decisions here. And you may say, okay,
this is crazy, but remember Katanji Brown Jackson was asked
by our friend, Senator Marsha Blackburn at her confirmation hearings
(04:57):
if she could say what a woman was, and she
said she was not a biologist. If I remember correctly,
that was her answer under oath at her testimony to
be allowed on the Supreme Court. And so, Buck, we
now are in a position where you have two former
first round NBA draft picks Enus Kanter and also a
(05:21):
Royce White, but we have audio here. They have declared
for the WNBA draft. The league is scrambling to try
to figure out whether or not they can remain in
and there are a couple of cuts here. The Indiana
Fever head coach said kindness will win and everybody else
can go to hell. This is a real quote. Listen
(05:44):
to this, Stephanie White, cut seven.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
The hate, the fear mongering, the divisiveness, the stuff that's
trying to hijack.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Our league will not win. It won't win.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
We are united, we are connected, be divided every day.
These women put their on the line. Every day. When
they go low, we go high. Love will win, grace
will win, Humility will win, and kindness will win.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I stand by them.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I will always stand by them.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Everybody else can go to hell. I think that it's
going to be believe this is real.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It's going to be exciting to see the kindness and
the inclusiveness that they extend to Eni's Canter freedom when
he becomes a WNBA player. The w DOZ in fact
stand for women. What is a woman? They are uncertain
at this point. They are looking into it, Clay is
my understanding. They are going to look at the data.
(06:47):
They think it needs more study, so they're going to
do a little bit of a dusting off the notebooks
and look into this what is a woman situation? And
Eni's cantor freedom should definitely be allowed in as well
as these other players. Who's the other one? Royce right
was white? Royce White should definitely be allowed in the WNBA.
(07:08):
And then they can all be kind to the actual
females in the WNBA when they feel like their league
is being made a mockery of because it's no longer
the WNBA, it is something else when you allow men
into it.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
This is the only logical conclusion.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
They can say these things like this coach all day
that dances around the subject matter.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
The fact of the matter is they've got a problem.
They have an ideology that they will not give up
on that completely undermines and would actually destroy disintegrate the
thing that they professionally do.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Everything else is just it's just talking. It's talking around
the issue. It's not about kindness. It's about do you
actually allow men to play in your league?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Let me actually do this, Buck, because I never would
have believed that this was necessary. But I do think
that the WNBA is panicked because they've been put into
a tough spot. Let me give you a couple of
facts that I haven't heard very many people talk about,
and then let me put on the lawyer hat here
for a moment. First of all, the WNBA already has
(08:20):
a woman who identifies as a man that is played,
and I believe is still playing in the league. Okay,
this is a woman who entered into transtreatment, probably is
getting pumped full of testosterone, and the league has allowed
her to continue to be eligible even though she identifies
(08:43):
as a man. The fact Buck that they have not
adopted the Women's Tennis Association, the International Olympic Committee or
the NCAA, that's college Athletics, the Olympics and tennis basic
standards where you do a cheek swab and you just
determine one time are you a woman or not biologically
and then it doesn't apply anymore. Makes me believe that
(09:06):
they are concerned that they have players already who would
not pass as women if they were given a cheek swap.
That's one of the questions here's the challenge legally, Buck,
So you think there are trans players already? I think
there may be. And again this gets into kind of
like the castor Semnias of the world you're talking about.
(09:27):
So you're talking about interested there. You think there might
be some intersex players with hormone issues. Yes, interesting that
would not qualify under the Olympics, for instance, to be
considered biological women. It makes me wonder because they won't
just put this test in. Here's the issue they're going
to have. They've already allowed this woman identifying as a man,
(09:48):
probably to pump her body through god knows how much
testosterone to play. In order to exclude Enus Cancer Freedom
and Royce White, they are going to have to say
that they are not women. In order to say that
they are not women, they're going to have to acknowledge
that they do in fact know what a woman is.
(10:10):
And that is why I think they're in a legally
untenable position, because the other option is that they could
define what a woman is. They could just allow all men, right,
which they don't want to do, which would basically end
the WNBA because there would be no female players if
men are eligible who identify as women to play and
(10:30):
so buck they can't collude now right, it would be antitrust.
You'd be able to sue. They can't change the definitions
because they've already arguably entered into by filing their draft
eligibility statements. So I think that they if they refuse
to draft these guys and just said we're going to collude,
(10:52):
that would open them up to millions and millions substantial damages.
I think that this is me being just a lawyer
and treating this as a serious question. I think that
legally they are on untenable ground, and that doesn't even
analyze the political ramifications of this. Like ESPN shared the
(11:13):
news they couldn't say what a woman was and they
just got utterly eviscerated online. Normal guys and gals out
there are just saying, what in the world is going
on here?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
And this is blowing up on them.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And before we even get deep into the science, and
you're talking about the intersex possibility, there are and this
is when people like to get on the left. They
like to pretend all of a sudden that they're really
about the science. There are hormonal and chromosomal abnormalities that
can occur it's very rare, but it can occur. But
(11:46):
that's not what we're talking about here. Really, that's actually
not what the issue is as we know. And because
they say trans players, they're not saying intersex players. And
they could have a standard, a scientific standard for intersex
players that would be applicable. You can actually enforce a
scientific standard about whether you'd allow intersex players that or not.
(12:07):
That would still exclude I have long hair and painted fingernails.
I'm now a lady when I'm actually a man. But Clay,
the other.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Part of this is you step back and you say,
why if gender isn't this thing that is so important
for physical capability, why have a w NBA in the
first place.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Why have women's sports period? Well, this is the thing.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Why not just have all sports be co ed and
let the best man or woman or they them win. Yes,
this is why normal people, just everyday Americans can understand
this at a level that the system that the apparatus
of trans inclusivity can't seem to wrap its head around.
(12:55):
It's just as straightforward as why have women's athletics at all?
If it wouldn't be the end of women's athletics to
allow men to play in women's athletics. You don't even
have to get into the scientific question beyond that, yes. So,
and by the way, it's also interesting you say that
there might be somebody or there's somebody in the league
who's taking testosterone as a woman, if you've gone through
female puberty, then adding a bunch of testosterone into your
(13:19):
first of all, it's a performance enhancing drug.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Which is the issue that I think is they might
let them take steroids, yes.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Which you know that maybe, but your your physiology mean
a woman's body. This is getting into someone that can
only process so much testosterone play and actually excess testosterone
if you're a guy, gets converted into estrogen or estradile.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
So it's not just like, oh, I'm a woman, I
want to be a guy.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Now I'm gonna jack myself up with as much testosterone
as possible. You might get some facial hair, but you're
gonna have a whole lot of other problems as well,
and you're not just gonna get giant you know Schwarzenegger muscles.
That's not how it works. So this whole thing is crazy.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
To your point, I don't know at this phase is
how they get around it. I think they're just going
to try to keep doing what you saw that coach do,
which is just talk about love and inclusion and hope
that it goes away and attack anybody like you or me,
or the eighty plus percent of normal Americans out there
that are saying this is ludicrous, it makes no sense.
(14:18):
I also think Buck, this ties in with Francesca Hong
on the whole Thanksgiving thing. This cuts through Why is
that going to be so watched all of this discussion?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Why is it everywhere? Because people understand it. There's a
lot of political issues that are very complicated and it's
hard to grapple with. Thanksgiving needs to be canceled because
America is too racist people.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
It's a record scratch moment.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Now that was the worst that are saying I'm scared
of white people basically, which was pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Men are eligible to play women's sports.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
It also cuts through and just lets people know that
you can't be trusted. We'll take some calls on this.
By the way, lines will be loaded in thirty second.
It's eight hundred and two two two eight a two
Mom Donnie's honeymoon over in New York. Buck, I'm curious
on your take that Wall Street Journal had a big
piece about that this morning, and Caroline Levitt leaving. We'll
get into all of that and more. Plus Abdul Lsayed
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football against Mike Rodgers, which is really hysterical and also
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All the lines are ringing. We will get your calls
here momentarily. But there was this high level meeting of
the WNBA, the Women's.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
National Basketball Association.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Emphasis on the women and because Clinton are all about
the ladies, we're here to defend ladies and ladies' sports,
to be clear. But if there's any confusion, perhaps they
could be directed the directors of the WNBA. A classic
of nineties cinema, Kindergarten Cop, which the team pulled a
clip of play.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It police have a penis girls half of that China.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Clay that is in fact the case, and the WNBA
does seem somewhat confused. That is an amazing clip. I
would suggest to our social media team that if we
can use that kindergarten cop clip and uh and put
it together with some of the takes here on the show,
that it will do quite well on the internet. That
(17:32):
is such a I remember that clip. That is such
a funny clip. You know, somebody could use AI to
give a left wing woman like lecturing the five year
old as a teacher about all the six different genders.
Maybe James James Tallerico could could provide us all lecture
on that. By the way, every line ringing, we will
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(19:03):
A lot of people weighing in with a variety of
different takes. Let's go to some of these. Julie in Florida,
what you got for.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Is Julie.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Dune.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Guys, thanks a lot for all you do. I have
a thought about this. When this female basketball player claims
that she's a boy, maybe it's so she can get
a prescription for the performance enhancing drugs just to play
better and get more money. But I can probably assure
that she has not agreed to add a dict to
me surgery?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
What is I mean?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
That sounds like it could mean a lot of things
with the middle part of that, But what kind of surgery.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Is that.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Add a dick to me?
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Clay, You just fell into that one. This is like,
this is like you just fell that one, Julie. That
is unbelievable. Julie is not a medical professional. I think
I think she is uh got you on into that
like my uh, like my son did his d's jokes.
(20:05):
For those of you out there, that's an homage to
Rush as well.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
By the way, the the the the joke is an
homaged rush to be.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yes, right.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I walked right into it, I thought, because I was
trying to take it to Julie. Very very funny, well done.
Make sure we clip that. I was trying to uh uh.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Team was spelling it out first. Now, guys, we get it.
We get it. Yeah, they're writing it out first, No,
we understand.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We But the way the way it was written by
producer Gregan here was like this was a surgery. I
was taking it seriously because she did this woman have
her breast removed.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And is playing in the w n b A. She
had the top surgery.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I thought that might be the official Latin term for
with the surgery that you have when your breast are removed.
But god, that it's rare that I almost lose it
on air. I was not expecting Julie to drop that
Ben in Colorado, Ben, what you got for us?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (21:10):
I just wanted to say that they'd the WNBA is
just not ready for prime time, like they wanted the
extra money, but they just didn't want all the extra attention.
You know the quote the late great Biggy Smalls, more money,
more problems.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Great song. I believe it's more money, more problems.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Well, there you go, Buck and I have a strong
amount of nineteen nineties rap knowledge, which would I think
quite surprise a lot of people who listen to this program.
Speaking of which, did you see that they have begun
in Las Vegas the trial of the man who was
accused of killing Tupac Shakur, the murder trial. I saw
(21:51):
headline on this. Yea, yeah, has has started in Las Vegas.
The shooting I believe it was nineteen ninety five or
nineteen ninety six. And then Biggie was also shot in
the East Coast West Coast rap feud.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Did you like.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Biggie Smalls or Tupac more? Oh, if you were from
New York City, you and you were a kid of
you're one hundred percent a Biggie Smalls person because of
the whole East Coast West Coast thing. But I will
say a lot of us, even in our teenage years,
were like, this isn't fun anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
People are getting shot, Like what is this? This is
not physics stars.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, well the people who are the most famous people
in the entire hip hop genre. I think that a
lot of us thought of it more like WWE or
something like.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
It was a lot of talk and trash, but not
you're actually going.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
To be like, no one was actually going to shoot
somebody when people started shooting people. I actually did feel
like there was a big problem in the rap world.
Now we call it hip hop, it was rap. No
one calls it rap anymore. Really, you notice that they've
changed the name.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Have you noticed this?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Do you know what the most popular genre in all
of music is that is dominating across the country right now?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Country music?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yes, for those of you haven't paid attention, country is
dominating and rap has fallen on hard times. I would submit,
as one who has young boys who listen to modern rappers,
you can't understand any of this mumblecore rap stuff. Like
you might not like the lyrics back in the day,
but you could understand what was being said. Nowadays, much
(23:19):
of it is really really good. I will say, music
taste changes. I don't know, people are gonna start hitting
us for not being like the music connoisseurs of all
of all ages or something or all time. But I
will point this out when my parents would be like, hey,
I grew up listening to the led Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin
is cool. I listened to led Zeppelin when I was
a teenager, and I was like, you know, whether I
(23:40):
loved it or not, I'm like, this is this is
an amazing rock and roll band. You know, you'd like
you could appreciate it, even though it's from a different
a different time period. And I'm just saying a lot
of the music today is garbage and will always be garbage,
and nobody will ever think it is good beyond beyond
the people being force fed this today. Like though you
said mumblecore like that stuff, the kind of auto tuned
(24:02):
hip hop, overproduced stuff that they're doing right now is
just bad.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
It's just bad, the same way that some movies are
just bad.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Some music is just bad now. I don't care how
it does on the charts.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I'm gonna blow people's minds here because I do hear
a lot of modern music because of my kids. And
unfortunately this guy has passed. He had a drug overdose.
The most talented rapper of the last twenty years, in
my opinion, last ten years. Let's say guy named Juice World.
I bet he has a one percent recognition if you
(24:34):
said the Juice World, Juice World, my boys, my fifteen
year old in particular, he died of a drug overdose.
He had all sorts of as many musicians do, demons
related to drugs. He's incredible, like, really really good. I've
never been heard of this, I've never heard of this person. Yeah,
(24:55):
and you can actually hear his lyrics, and he's smart
and it was really well done.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
On the happy side of though.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Isn't the best or the mestay the best, maybe the best,
but certainly the most popular song in the country of
all genres right now, a country music song. She chose
Texas or something like that. Ella Langley, Yeah, which there
are a lot of people. He's a great song. There
are a lot of guys out there that call themselves
Ella fellas that are big fans of Ella Langley. She's
(25:21):
I'm gonna tell you this, She's she's one of the
rare ladies. Again getting fashion tips from Clay and Buck.
Will never lead you astray, Will never lead you astray. Okay.
The baggy jeans culter came on Clay yesterday totally back
me up on this baggy jeans thing.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Women being terrible.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
It's horrible. Okay, you look terrible to get wear other pants.
No one's doing you a favor by telling you to
put those pants on. I'll put this out there though,
Clay bangs tough to pull off. Ladies, you can do it.
I'm not saying you can't do this. This what's her name, Ella,
whatever her name is, what's it Ella Langley?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Ella Langley?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
She pulls off bangs, but it's a it's a tough
look to to make it work.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I don't know how popular it was in New York City.
Back in the day.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Women had what was called the poof. Do you remember
the poof bang era? That was like the late eighties,
like early nineties. Ever, not a good look like you
would work to have like the poof in your bangs.
Bangs generally speaking, tough. Bang's also tough to pull off
for men because you get the bama bang look like
the boys who have like you look like, uh, dumb
(26:24):
and dumber. You know, what's this? What's this name? Jim Carrey?
You know it's you don't want it is tough. So
I'm saying bangs are a risk. You can pull it off,
but they are a risk. Who else we got Matt
in Rockville, Maryland, just outside of Washington, d C. Montgomery County.
I believe Matt what you got for us?
Speaker 5 (26:44):
That was a diet trig guy.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
Good lord?
Speaker 5 (26:48):
If so, I gotta say the start off.
Speaker 8 (26:50):
If a brilliant new Supreme Court.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Justice who definitely wasn't chose for her skin color and
gender can't say what a biologist is, then the w
NBA has no chance.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
No, no, she couldn't hold on. She couldn't say what
a woman was because she said she was not a biologist.
So she might be able to defend what a biologist is,
just not able to defend what a woman is or
explain what a woman is.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
The other part is the WNBA is funded by the NBA,
a men's league. So if the WNBA prevents these beautiful
boss queen trans women of color from living their truth.
Speaker 8 (27:24):
Then it will be men.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Then they'll sue, So it'll be men being paid by men,
all because a group of women can't say what a
woman is.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Thank you for the call of that's perfect perfectly said
and buck. From a pure economic perspective, the average g
League player, the men's minor league, you have the NBA.
Those guys make millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions
of dollars. Then you have the G League. Average G
League player Buck makes forty five thousand dollars a year.
If you're listening to me right now, average WNBA player
(27:57):
makes five hundred thousand dollars a year. How many of
you would raise your right hand and say, I identify
as a woman to ten times your salary. What he
just said on that call, Buck is significant. If they
allow any men at all into the league, every woman
will lose her job because second tier men's basketball players
(28:20):
could make five hundred thousand dollars a year. In the WNBA,
there would be no women, and the G League guys
would all say, hey, I'll take half a million a
year to play basketball.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It will be a co ed like. It'll be like
a co ed league. Essentially.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
It's what will end up happening because you'll have men
and women playing together very rapidly, and then the women
will just eventually all get replaced because they're not good
enough to compete for the men's jobs. And this is
why I pointed out that in professional tennis, because mixed
doubles is already a category, and men and women trained
together hit together because you know, the men are better
than the women at the high level, but they're not
(28:57):
manhandling them. You're hitting a ball across a net. They
knew that this would be the end of women's tennis
in a heartbeat, right that if it was just open
play anyone can can be up for the three million
dollar US Open perse or even the opening, that that
this would be the disintegration of women's athletics or you know,
women's professional tennis overnight.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So they drew the line. WNBA has Clay.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
I think the WNBA is going to have to draw
the line eventually here, and they're going to do it,
and it's going to upset a lot of the left
wing trans LBTQIA plus plus plus community.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
It's all that, and they're just going to make a
lot of apologies for it. But I don't see a
way around it for them. It is they're in an
untenable legal position, to your point, and I do believe
that all of this is just exploding on them in
such a way that I think, you know, it was
(29:52):
eighty twenty. I think this has been something that has
moved it to ninety ten because I don't think there's
a normal guy. I think they're you know, the four
or five percent crazy left wing guys. I don't think
there's a normal man in America who can even defend this.
Remember what they usually say, Buck is they say, oh,
your motives are bad for making arguments against men and
(30:14):
women's sports, or they say, well, this isn't happening very often.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And both of those arguments are increasingly just being tossed
on the dustbin of history. And I think within ten
years you're going to have a lot of people that
are responding to this like they did COVID and masks,
where they just don't want to talk about the fact
that they ever supported it, like AOC said, woke one
point zero, haha, we said a lot of stupid things.
Let's just move on.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I think that there's going to be an element, it
may take several years still from here where democrats and
left wingers just pretend they never argued for men and
women's sports.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I just think they're waiting until they can force it
on us. Clay, I don't think that. I don't think
they're ever going to walk away from it. I think
they're just going to retreat.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
I think.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
This is a long, long range play for them, that
they're too too committed. Basically, yes, I think that they
will fight this to the very end because it would
be so psychologically destabilizing for people that truly believe this
to realize that they are wrong that And this is
also why a lot of the trans support community, not
(31:21):
trans individuals, but people that are pushing for the trans
stuff are among the most in all political discourse these days,
psychotic and vicious and violent and crazy. Yes, because this
goes to something that is really deep, more deep seated
than what the tax rate is. Can you tell what
a woman in a man is?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yes or no?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
This is, like I said, psychologically destabilizing for people. I
will take your calls and talk backs on this in
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We're taking calls, talkbacks, and also going to be having
a fun conversation coming up in a little bit with
Doug Schoen, who is a very well known pollster, and
he wrote an op ed the Wall Street Journal. He
thinks got a real shot. So we just want talk
about AOC. Some of you accusing me of being an
AOC super fan. Look, you know, I just I see
(33:08):
what's coming down the down the road here and she's
gonna be a challenge and for some folks on the right,
I'm telling you all right, I email come one hundred percent,
by the way, with you on that. And I think
people need We'll talk about that with Doug. And I
think people are sleeping on her potential electability. Yeah, I
think I think we remember we are the people that
(33:30):
are sitting here in the second term of Donald Trump,
who was the I've never been in politics reality TV
star ha ha ha, He'll never Really, We're in a
different era of politics now. Friends and media presence and
persona and panache. It's a fun word. All those things
make a big difference. Email coming in from a vip Kendra,
(33:51):
She writes, playing Buck, don't listen to these feckless women
complaining about nonsense. The beard for both of you is
a must. And I don't care what you guys are wearing,
coler or not, as long as you keep proclaiming the
beautiful message of conservatism.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Either way.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Baggy jeans are terrible, but barrel style jeans are the worst. Uh,
And there you go, Clay Yeah, kenra kenra gives it
a high five. Are people upset about our outfits. Look,
here's what I would say in general. One three hours
of new radio video is out there, and we're not
(34:29):
going to dress up and try to pretend to be
things that we are not. Like, we're wearing the same
clothes that we have for the past five years. And
on YouTube, there are not very many people who sit
in shirt and ties and talk to an audience in
that way.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
So you should go.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Subscribe to YouTube. I've had a beard for twenty four years.
We're a trend center on the beard. My beard only
dates back to twenty nineteen, so I'm at seven years now. No,
but may I got I grew a beard in two
thousand and two when almost no one had a beard,
certainly not young people. There were old college professors with
(35:09):
pipes and me basically that had beards. My wife won't,
I mean, go beardless. She wants our whole marriage, our
whole dating history is beard.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
She didn't have. So you have taken I think I
told you.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
This by the way that I assumed that male facial
hair and grooming had a huge correlation with US military
as sort of the pinnacle of American masculinity perception. I
actually did a little bit of looking into this. It's
completely true, it's absolutely accurate. I mean they can they
can trace this back to for example, the Gis in
(35:45):
World War Two were all clean shaven, and this was
and it was part of like the grooming standard, so
they all so that then perpetuated for a long time.
Clean shaven was like the very you know, masculine, manly thing,
and you want to have your wife.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Close to you with your clean shaven.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Whereas all these Afghan and Iraq bets come back, especially
the Specops guys with these bushy beards, and that's the
most badass things.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
That's actually a big part of it.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I will point out as a Civil War nerd everybody
had a beard in the Civil War era. Buckett actually
started that the military wanted everybody to be clean shaven
because Union Confederate North South everybody had a beard during
World War.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
One because they had to be able to put on
gas mass masks. Yep.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, so they needed it to be able to seal better,
and so clean shaven because of the gas mask thing
became a military tradition for much of the twentieth century.
All right, we come back, we got some awesome guests
coming your way. A bunch of callers that are out there.
We'll talk. Caroline Levitt abdual Lsied is even more radical
than maybe he has been criticized for. We will discuss
(36:48):
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