April 13, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show is dominated by rapid‑fire analysis of President Donald Trump’s live, unscripted remarks from the White House combined with an extended deep dive into the political implosion of Congressman Eric Swalwell and its impact on the California governor’s race. The hour begins in real time with Trump stepping outside the Oval Office after highlighting his proposed “no tax on tips” policy—symbolized by a DoorDash McDonald’s delivery and a $100 cash tip to the driver—before pivoting straight into high‑stakes foreign policy. Clay and Buck break down Trump’s blunt warning to Iran that if a nuclear deal is not reached, “it won’t be pleasant,” stressing that the president has now clearly framed the endgame as Iran either surrendering its nuclear material or the United States taking it by force. Trump also touches on Cuba, signaling that the administration may revisit pressure on Havana after confronting Iran, reinforcing a broader theme of aggressive U.S. leverage against long‑standing adversaries.
The hosts also react to Trump’s response to controversy over an image he posted online that critics claimed depicted him as Jesus Christ. Trump dismisses the backlash by saying he believed the image showed him as a doctor, not a religious figure. Clay and Buck argue this was classic Trump humor paired with plausible deniability, allowing cultural outrage to dissipate without apology. Trump additionally declines to apologize to the Pope after their public disagreement over Iran and crime, underscoring his willingness to confront even global religious figures when he believes U.S. security is at stake.
The core of Hour 2 then shifts to domestic political warfare, focusing on Eric Swalwell’s sudden withdrawal from the California gubernatorial race. Clay and Buck argue this was not an organic media reckoning, but a deliberate, coordinated “code red” ordered by Democrats once Swalwell became a political liability rather than an asset. They outline allegations against Swalwell that include repeated extramarital affairs, sending explicit photos, and accusations of abuse of power involving staff or subordinate relationships—behavior they describe as deeply damaging politically even if not criminally provable. Buck contrasts Swalwell’s downfall with Democrats’ past “believe all women” posture during the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation, arguing the party applies moral outrage selectively based on power and timing.
The discussion expands into California’s jungle primary dynamics, noting that Swalwell’s exit reshapes the race in a way that could dramatically increase Republican chances—especially with Steve Hilton leading among GOP candidates. Clay and Buck speculate that Democrats delayed exposing Swalwell’s conduct until just weeks before early voting to prevent him from locking up union endorsements and advancing safely into the general election. They suggest figures like Katie Porter or other Democratic rivals may have leaked information once it became clear Swalwell’s nomination threatened the party’s grip on the governor’s mansion.
The hour also examines why Swalwell remains in Congress despite bowing out of the governor’s race. Clay and Buck argue this inconsistency exposes pure power politics: Democrats no longer need Swalwell as a statewide candidate, but still need his House seat. Buck asserts that accusations alone should not remove elected officials from office, while Clay emphasizes that behavior disqualifying someone from higher office raises unavoidable questions about fitness for current office.
Broader political hypocrisy is a recurring theme in Hour 2, including comparisons to the handling of allegations against Joe Biden, the selective enforcement of workplace rules on Capitol Hill, and the media’s self‑congratulatory claims of “journalistic integrity” only after party leadership green‑lit coverage. The hosts also assess the emerging Democratic frontrunner Tom Steyer, portraying him as a billionaire climate activist who built wealth on fossil fuels before pivoting to green politics, further highlighting what they see as elite contradiction and opportunism.
Hour 2 closes with Clay and Buck reinforcing two central ideas: first, that the Iran showdown has entered a decisive phase with Trump signaling maximum pressure and zero tolerance for nuclear deception; and second, that the Swalwell scandal reveals how quickly Democrats abandon their own once political risk outweighs loyalty. The hour sets the stage for Hour 3’s interview with Steve Hilton and frames the broader narrative of power, hypocrisy, and high‑stakes leadership shaping both U.S. foreign policy and domestic politics.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome Back in play Travis buck Sexton show, as is
often the case, a bit of a show surrounding President Trump,
as he was just having a press conference outside the
Oval Office immediately preceding it in order to focus on
his no tax on tips policy. He had a door
(00:22):
Dash delivery to the Oval Office from a grandma named Sharon,
and the President gave her a one hundred dollars bill
as a tip, which Sharon was very happy about. I'm sure, Buck,
actually I don't know who has the job. This is
very funny of contacting door Dash and doing a search
(00:46):
on the best door dash delivery for President Trump to
get his McDonald's at the White House, obviously going through security.
I presume that they also would prefer that it be
a Trump supporting door dasher the DC area who is unlikely.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
To throw a huge.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Crazy fit when they're knocking on the door of the
Oval Office to deliver McDonald's to the President. But this happens, Buck,
and then he steps outside, still standing next to the
Grandma door Dash McDonald's delivery person, and has a press
conference about what should happen next with Iran. So all
(01:26):
of this is happening in real time and let's see,
we've got a couple of different cuts there. We mentioned
that Trump said either Iran gives up what he called
the nuclear dust, or we will take it. Trump also
addressed buck he got into a going back and forth
(01:46):
with the Pope. He also, from his Truth's social account,
shared a image of himself that looked like Jesus. Trump
addressed that and said, hey, I thought that the Jesus
picture was depicting me as a doctor. This is Trump
thirty six.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Jesus.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Well, it wasn't a picture. It was me. I did
post it.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
And I thought it was me as a doctor and
had to do with the Red Cross as a Red
Cross worker there, which we support.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And only the fake news could come up with that one.
So I.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Just heard about it, and I said, how did they
come up with that? It's supposed to be me as
a doctor making people better, and I do make people better.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I make people a lot better, all right.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I thought it looked like him as Jesus. But he
has deleted the image. So Trump says he thought he
was being depicted as a doctor, not as Jesus.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Okay, let's head one. Let's just all be Let's all
be upright. Trump knew that he wasn't a doctor, but
this is the most Trump thing ever. He's like, all right,
whatever I thought it was a doctor. He knows and
we know. But he also knows that this now is
kind of an off ramp. People that felt like it
was blasphemy, and I know people will feel that way.
They can. You know, he's he's created a fig leaf,
(03:13):
if you will, of plausible deniability on his I am
Jesus thing. So there we can all move on. But
he's doing this with a smile on his face. He
knows what's going on.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
He did not apologize to the pope, so the Pope
versus Trump feud is ongoing. But he did we said
earlier either they give it up, meaning the nuclear dust
as he called it, or we take it, which I
thought was the most significant news. But he was also
asked what happens if we don't have a deal with
(03:45):
Iran by the time the ceasefire is over? Here is
cut thirty eight? President Trump responding to that.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, I don't want to comment on that, but it'll
be blessing for the numbers that the mo.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
It won't be pleasant. He said he didn't want to
comment on it. He also Buck commented on Cuba, which Venezuela.
If you wonder how things are going in Venezuela's it's
going so well that nobody's even writing about Venezuela at all.
Cuba remains unclear exactly what's going to happen there, but
Trump addressed that cut thirty seven, he was asked about Cuba.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Cuba is another story.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Cuba has been a terribly run country for a long time.
It's got a bad system, it's been very oppressive, as
you know.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And we have a lot of great Cuban.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Americans, all of whom just about voted for me, and
they were treated very badly. In many cases, family members
have been killed, they've been beaten up and mugged, and
like terrible things happened in Cuba.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And Cuba is a failing nation.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
And we're going to do this, and we may stop
by Cuba after we're finished with this, but Cuba is
a nation that was just been horribly run for many
years by Kashi Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Now we said that we would buck talk about the
Swalwell implications, and so at the top of this hour,
let's dive into this a bit. Steve Hilton top of
the third hour. Uh So, Eric Swalwell, Congressman, many of
you know him. He's been one of the most virulently
anti Trump forces for the last decade. Basically his entire
(05:24):
political career is based on being anti Trump.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I would say before this most famous for his escapades
with Feng Fang, the alleged Chinese spy.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Correct and uh and obviously he was able to stay
on the House Intelligence Committee. He was kind of a pitbull,
fair to say, for Nancy Pelosi represents the Bay Area
suburbs and things are not going well. So look, we
talk a lot about the midterms and where things are
setting up, and it is going to be right now,
(05:59):
it appears h challenging environment for Republicans, as is often
the case.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
When you are in the White House.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Now in California, though a lot of the time, the
two leading candidates have been Steve Hilton and Chad Bianco,
who is both both of those guys are Republicans, and
Eric Swalwell had been the leading Democrat candidate.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
He had been endorsed by the teachers' unions.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
By a lot of the other labor unions, and he
was in a position where it seemed like he was
going to advance to the runoff and then Buck, I
want to get your read on this. It feels like
basically the Democrat Party just ordered a code read on him.
I don't buy that they had no idea about his
(06:46):
behavior or that there were a lot of stories. In fact,
he had been asked about them when he was seeking
all these endorsements, and his response had always been as
anti Trump as I am. Don't you think those stories
would have This is paraphrasing him as anti Trump as
I am. Don't you think those stories would have already
come out if they were there? Well, a bunch of
(07:08):
these stories have come out, so among them, one of
his former aides accused him of sexual assault, and then
there are other allegations as we have talked about that
basically he was engaging in extramarital affairs and sending pictures
of himself, naked photos of himself to.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
The part of himself not he wasn't taking selfies of
him his face, at least genital photos.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I don't know what can we say on this A
penis pics. Can we say that I said it two
women that he was not married to, which is pretty
reckless for anyone in Congress, much less when you are
married and one of the leading contenders to be the
governor of California. So Buck, it feels like to me,
Democrats basically decided we're going to order the code read
(07:58):
on him. I will say this, unlike the way that
he treated Brett Kavanaugh, and unlike the way that he
treated President Trump, I think he's entitled to a presumption
of innocence here.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
And this skeptically, I'm just going to say he was
a believe all women guy when he was trying to
destroy Brett Kavanaugh's life on absolutely baseless, absurd, fantastical, fantasy
level allegations against Kavanaugh. Intelligent, no intelligent, honest person believed
(08:31):
that Kavanaugh was a serial gang rapist all throughout high school.
And this was just coming up other way. This It
was really I've said this, It was a political nine
to eleven moment for me, the whole Kavanaugh thing. It
was when we realized a lot of us that the
era of Trump as a brass knuckle brawler against the
other side was so very, very necessary because they have
(08:54):
no scruples. The Democrats have no willingness whatsoever to abide
by fair play, decency, basic ethics. They all knew the
Kavanough By the way, Kamala Harris was a big part
of it too. Get that, everybody, Kamala Harris was a
big part of it. But buddy, but Swallwall was a
believe all women guy, which is on its face, an
(09:17):
absurd and antithetical to our justice system way of approaching cases.
Of course, this is this is This was insane and
it was one of the ugliest things I've ever seen
in American politics. It was the ritualized humiliation and degradation
of a manifestly innocent man. With Supreme Court Justice Bread
(09:39):
Kavanaugh not not guilty, innocent. It was clear he did
none of these things. Okay, the woman couldn't remember the
year since she had two, couldn't fly, but actually didn't
know where the house was, didn't know what year. It
was a liar, okay, and the others were lunatic lunatics,
(10:02):
And I would just say this, buck, I mean, even
if that had all been true, this is the way
I always kind of approach it. Are you telling me
that trying to make out with a girl when you
are because I mean, it was a high school party,
it's forty years ago or whatever the heck it was
in the nineteen eighties in Washington, d C. It wasn't
(10:24):
even a crime.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Like, even if everything that she had alleged was one
hundred percent true, which is one of the ways, like
when you're a lawyer, you say, for purposes of you know,
does it withstand summary judgment, presume that everything is true.
Even if it had all been true, it wouldn't have
been a crime. I don't even think it would have
been disqualifying for being a Supreme Court justice, even if
you accept everything.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
But he was a believe all woman, which is ludicrous.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I'm giving him what he would not, which is I
read these allegations Buck, and I think that I'm kind
of skeptical of the crime of the criminal war crime. Yes,
so there's two different things here.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
There's criminal stuff and there's unbecoming of and you know,
unfit to be in office stuff. Right, those are two
separate categories. I mean they obviously cross over. If you're
doing crimes, are also unfit. But there are things that
don't rise to Now it can be if you're sending
like like because uh Anthony Wiener Democrat, which you can't
(11:22):
make up that that was really his name, given what
went on here, I mean, you know, yes, just putting
that aside, I'm not trying to be childish or you know, uh,
but it really was absurd. But that guy was sending
uh wiener photos yes to a underaged girl and knew
knew she was underaged. That is a crime, and he
(11:43):
got he got nailed on that, as he should. But
with this sending those unsolicited But also I think aan
Culter actually put this out on who we had on
recently and did a great job on the border stuff.
But she said it's almost always unsolicited, right, Like, if
you're a stranger, how many strangers are like, you know
(12:03):
what I want from this congressman right now? A photo
of his man parts? This is that's a thing. I
don't think women really ever want these photos.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
This is the big one of many major differences between
men and women. Men would always like to see a
naked photo, so I think in many men's minds, this
is like something that women desire as much as men desire.
So so having said all of this, wait, women never
(12:35):
want these photos, and men generally are like, hey, men
in their head are thinking, oh, because men want to
see naked photos of women.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Either one of two things.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Women are as interested in naked photos as we are,
which is almost never true. Or he's thinking, if I
send her a naked photo, she's gonna send me a
naked photo back. If I were in his head, that's
what I would expect that he was thinking. Having said
all of this, this was not well kept secret. But
everybody on Capitol Hill was aware that this dude was
(13:04):
chasing chicks, and they did it care until they started
to see there might be a political cost to the party.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Writt Law, They his behavior. They were covering this up.
They were covering it up for years because he was useful.
The second he became a political liability. To use your
phrase here, or to use Tom Cruise slash Colonel Nathan R.
Jessup United States Marine Corps Guantanamo Bay, cubas phrase, the
(13:34):
code read, they ordered the code read on him. And
it's so interesting to see why. And we'll talk to
Steve Hilton, who's his primary Republican opponent in that California
governor's race, in the top of the next hour. But Clay,
what this tells you is that if he was free
and clear to be governor. If he was going to
sail through and win this election without causing any problems,
(13:55):
do you think they would have done this? No, because
I believe if he can win, even if this came
out after he was in office, they would say, first
of all, wouldn't come out this way, So they would
they wouldn't run that They this was a total destruction
campaign to take out Swallowell from this governor's race, and
they were effective in doing so. But the reminder for
(14:16):
everybody this is not about what is honest, honest, or
ethical or good. So funny do you see Stelter, It's
like this shows the pallor of journalism. How much Stelter honestly, man,
I'm gonna send you TRT in the mail if it's
something I could do.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
But we can't have the power of journalism. They know
they were Here's what I think happened. I think that
the other opponents on the Democrat side got whint to this.
I think the Katie Porters of the world said, if
this doesn't come out now, then the story will come
out after he's the nominee and it might cost us
the governorship. And the Democrat Party ordered the code read
(14:54):
They said, hey, we're going to stop protecting him. Now
it's time to take him out. That's the way I
think this went down. Well, I I yeah, I think
there were concerns, so that's interesting. I think there were
concerns that he was splitting the vote and that at
the end of this it was going to make a
Republican much more viable. You think, because Clay, there's no
(15:14):
Republican infrastructure to run this story.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
We couldn't run this story now. The only reason, you know,
the only reason it takes him out is because it
was New York Times and political and it was Home
Team Hit.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Francisco Chronicle and this broke it on show. Who's going
to come out with this?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Though? Who's going to come out if he's up against
a Republican in a general, if it's one to one
and they're the two from the jungle primary. San Francisco
Chronicle doesn't do that. No way, he thinks, no way,
they run this to give me a Republican.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I think Katie Porter went to then we'll talk about
this all right, and said.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
This is interesting. It was definitely a code read. The
question is what was the thinking of the people running it? Right,
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just am I going to be a coincidence theorist here?
What if just the women? Because he was leading the
governor's race, they decided enough is enough? And then because
(17:31):
the timing of us does not, why not keep him
off the ballot entirely when they knew that he was
You know what I'm saying for the Democrats, it feels
weird that this is eight of them running.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I don't think that they expected to be in a
situation where none of them really had become the lead candidate.
And then he got all the indictments, I mean, sorry,
all the endorsements.
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Speaker 1 (18:56):
Back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I will say it.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I think Eric Swalwell is a conniving, lying, untrustworthy scumbag.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Based on the evidence Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Again being fair to him in a way that he
was not fair to Brett Cavanaugh, not fair to President Trump,
any number of Republicans who he said hashtag believe all women,
the exact opposite of what you should do. Should never
believe all men or all women. Men and women lie.
You should believe evidence, You should believe facts. That's why
Lady Justice is blind. I don't think he committed a
(19:34):
crime here. I don't think he committed a crime based
on the allegations that are out there right now from
the San Francisco Chronicle and from CNN. But and by
the way, the reason I don't think he committed a
crime was this woman alleges that he sexually assaulted her
in twenty nineteen, and then she slept with him again
(19:57):
in twenty twenty four, and she says he's sexual assaulted
her again and basically that she could not consent. I'm
paraphrasing here. Her allegations because she had too much alcohol.
I if I were sitting on a jury and you
told me she alleges that he raped her five years ago,
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and then she went out drinking with him again and
says that he raped her again, I would just say,
if I'm on a jury or I'm the defense attorney,
how many women out there if you had been raped
by a guy, would you voluntarily decide to go out
drinking with him again? That to me, does not have
(20:38):
the ring of truth. And it's also why I don't
think it's unfair to look at the allegations and say, hey,
if a court of law wants to examine them, but
does that strike you as a rational take to believe
that he committed a crime?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It doesn't to me. First of all, you would have
been a great defense attorney. I really would like you know.
I know you've chosen this path and we're having a
lot of fun here on radio and it's worked out fantastically,
But he would have been a great defense attorney because
you truly believe in the system. I'm very cynical about
the system in many ways. Do you truly believe in
the system. You're You're like a guy, you're you are
(21:15):
exactly if you were accused, especially if you're accused in
your innocent you want someone like Clay who is who
is innocent until proven guilty have our day in court. Lady.
Justice is blind the whole thing, right.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
So that's I really do believe in all of that,
even if it sometimes means that I have to defend
dirt bags like Eric Swalwell. I just don't think this
adds up now, So which just kinda.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Just finish one thing before we get, you know, on
the criminal part of this stuff. The criminal part it
doesn't really matter that much in terms of se see,
but I think it does because I think if he
had just been accused of sleeping with women that were
not his wife, he wouldn't have dropped out of this race,
and I think Democrats would have been hard pressed to
get him to drop out. No, but see, this is
(21:57):
this is uh, this is Clay where I see it
a differently here. But when I say the criminal part
doesn't matter, please understand, I'm saying that whether he is
beyond reasonable without guilty or not, or their charges or not,
on that, I think he's done politically, which is why
he's already stepped away, right, But if.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You think even if there hadn't been the criminal allegations,
that they were sufficient enough that Democrats would have thrown him.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
To the wolves. There is among Democrats particularly a real
should we say, sensitivity to men on Capitol Hill using
their power to sleep with employees. That alone, you know,
if you're in Congress, and you are by the way,
(22:40):
I believe it's against Now it's not a crime, but
I believe it's against like congressional rules, it's certainly also
against general employment rules. You're not actually allowed to be clear,
there's also a problem, well, there's a whole allegations, at
least with the former DHS chief for Trump. You are
not allowed to sleep with a government employee who was
in your chain of command. You're not allowed to do that.
(23:02):
That is a big, a big employment law. No, no,
for obvious reasons. This guy had a pattern and practice
of using his role in Congress. To At a minute,
but by the way, he's basically said that he's saying
this was consensual. Right, He's not saying he didn't sleep
with women. He's saying it's consensual. So that alone, as
(23:25):
a member of Congress, with this wasn't just I was
having affairs. This was I was a man in Congress
sleeping with my very young of age but young female staffers.
That's a big problem. Like that's a pr nightmare. It's
also a Congression nightmare. Now we get to if he
can't run for governor, why should he still keep his
(23:46):
job in Congress? And I think Democrats are going to
they're going to have a challenge with this one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
The one thing I would push back on is exactly
what you described is what Joe Biden allegedly did with
Tara Reid, and they just push it all to the
side and pretended it didn't exist. Joe Biden, the allegation
was that he sexually assaulted a woman who worked for him,
(24:12):
Tara Reid, back in the day.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
All right, all right, counsel, I'm gonna put the prosecution
does not rest yet the Joe Biden situation. And to
be clear, I found her entirely credible, not just because
I don't like Joe Biden, but just because of she
worked for him, the circumstances. Joe Biden's a creepy, handsy weirdo,
So I did find her credible. Credible is different from
beyond a reasonable doubt, though in a court also to
be fair, but Clay, that was a one off. To
(24:35):
be fair to Biden versus Well, I was a one
off situation, not a pattern in practice. It was a
long time ago, which I know that you start to
get into this, but there is a time difference with
thirty years ago versus twenty twenty or whatever. I mean,
people are more likely. So I think that those two
factors made it easier for them to do what they
(24:57):
wanted to do, which was to just ignore the Biden thing.
I'm not saying it was ethically or morally different. I'm
just saying the swallow off the I mean, this guy,
he's already out. He was a nominee.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
So Biden was a nominee at the time, which goes
to your argument of once you're the nominee, they'll defend anything.
Here's the other thing I would say, though, I think
that either Tom Steyer or Katie Porter had this and
they knew they had to deploy it now because otherwise
Swalwell was going to be one of the two nominees.
(25:29):
Now to your point, they may not have cared once
he was the nominee, it's possible they would have just said, oh,
you know, you can't trust this because they want him
to get into the office. But I think it's not
coincidental that they deployed it right now. Voting starts June third,
so they waited until six weeks out. He announced in
November he ran for six months. He had just gotten
(25:52):
and this is so significant. We'll talk with Steve Hilton
about this at the top of the next hour, who's
running against Eric Swalwell as the Republican. He had just
got in all the big union endorsements. Teachers' Union endorsed him,
a couple of the other big unions. He was an
overwhelming favorite to be the Democrat nominee. Now it's a
jungle primary so called, meaning the top two go. But
(26:13):
I think they knew they had to put the code
red in because otherwise he was going to be the nominee.
So I think Katie Porter, if if you ask me,
I think Katie Porter put this in the works. She
is also thoroughly unlikable. She got divorced after allegedly dumping
potatoes boiling potatoes on her husband's head.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
The boiling water that the potatoes are cooking I mean
that's the potatoes would be hot, the boiling water would
be quite unpleasant.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yes, they are now divorced. Who married who married? Katie Porter?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I might have a little bit of a questioning there
if I'm gonna say this, if you marry a chick
who looks like Shrek, I feel like you're expecting she's
at least gonna be nice.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
That's a good point, you won't think if yes, be honest,
She's not.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
She's awful.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
And remember her campaign kind of went off the rails.
We played this on the audio when she was getting interviewed,
and she just went after the interviewer over, hey do
you want remember do you want Trump supporters to vote
for you?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And she just lost it for no reason.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So she's thoroughly unlikable, which is why now the favorite
is this guy Tom Steyer, who is basically the has
the charisma of a snail, but he's a billionaire and
he's willing to spend a lot of money, and he
is now the favored Democrat candidate. It appears to benefit
(27:36):
now from Swalwell being out. By the way, if Swalwell
didn't drop out, I think he still would have gotten
a lot of votes. Now he would have had the
money to be able to run, which is really why
I think he dropped out, because all his supporters abandoned him,
and he's not independently wealthy. But I think it's been
(27:57):
shown that voters have a higher stan hindered for whether
they should or not is an interesting question, but a
higher standard for misbehavior from candidates than the media that
covers the candidates or many of the political party operatives
in general.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You know what I found really interesting. I was just
checking this out. I know that Tom sty So let's
talk Tom Steyer for a second. First of all, he's
one of these climate change nutbags yep, which is like
climate change has fallen off as an issue because you
have to for some reason ignore everything that you can
observe about this, like what's really happening, what the data
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actually says. It's just a garbage issue. They'll bring it
back because people forget about how it was wrong all along.
But in the meantime, Tom Steyer is one of these
climate changes and existential threat people. He founded Farolan Capital
back in the eighties and was a very successful hedge
fun guy. Now a little bit of this is kind
of just being right place, right time, you're in the valley.
(28:55):
Starting in the eighties, the greatest explosion of wealth creation
in Silicon Valley really in the history of the planet,
uh in many ways, occurred in that area. And you're
an investor, guess what you're gonna be? Okay, okay, fine,
you know you could say that a lot of people
right place, right time. Clay he did investments back in
the day. This is just you. This is a lovegroc
His investments included fossil fuels, coal projects, private prisons, which,
(29:21):
let me be clear, I have no problem with this,
like these are good. These are these are you know, companies,
they're they're operating the private sector. He invested in them.
Good for him. But he made all of his money
investing in real stuff fossil fuels, coal plants, and then
turned or not all of it, but made a lot
of his money in this and then turns around and it
(29:42):
is like, well, the whole world's gonna end unless we
all start riding bicycles and cut our CO two emissions.
It's like a weird lib guilt thing. That's really what
this guy is. He is the the the poster child
for lib Bay area guilty conscience, became super rich off
of the cap alistic economy that he now pretends is
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going to destroy the world because of CO two emissions.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
And now he's going to spend billions of dollars to
try to get elected as the next governor of California.
Let me ask you this. We can talk about it
when we come back. We got some interesting calls. We'll
get to you guys as well. He's you asked the question,
he's not running for governor now he's dropped out.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Why is he still in Congress?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Like, I don't understand why if you're not able to
continue to run, which is why I would have told him, Hey,
just say it's not true and stay in the race
once you drop out. Now I think the answer is
Democrats give him a pass once he drops out. They're like,
they need that, they want as many seats in the
House as possible. But see this goes to this was
a code read yep, right, because they're not giving him
(30:47):
because they don't need him for the governor's race. They
don't want him in the governor's race, but they need
him in congre You need him on that wall, Democrats,
they need him in kind.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I guarantee you.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
They told him, if you drop out of this race,
then we won't come after you in Congress. The votes
are there to allow you to stay in Congress. My
point would just be, if you're not able to run
for governor, why are you able to actually continue to
serve as a congressman? This law data point data point
number three million, two hundred and fifty seven. In the
(31:18):
Democrats have no principles arena. Yes, it's just power, folks.
Whatever is power, that's what they want. Nothing else matters.
And here is another part of principle that I'll stand
behind Democrat or Republican. I don't think you should get
kicked out of Congress for allegations. I really don't, particularly
because all it does is incentivize baseless accusations because then
(31:41):
they can be politically powerful to use against you. And again,
if I'm looking at this evidence, I don't buy the
fact that he committed a crime. I just I don't
believe that you sleep with somebody in twenty nineteen, allege
that you're sexually assaulted by them, and then go out
for drinks and hook up with them again. Would you
ever if you're a woman listening to us right now,
(32:03):
if somebody sexually assaulted you, would you ever go out
to drink with them again? Like that just doesn't add up.
And it's like you're not allowed to ask these questions
because oh, we have to hashtag believe all women.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
But I would say the same thing about men.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
By the way, has there ever been a man who
said I was sexually assaulted. I drank too much and
I couldn't consent to sex. Has that argument ever been
made by man? Have you ever seen it a straight man?
I've never a straight man. Have you ever heard any
of you in your lives? Have you ever heard a
straight man say I had too much to drink and
(32:40):
I couldn't consent to sex.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
As a result.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I've never heard a straight man makeeter maybe a game
hunger has I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Know biology, Because of testosterone, et cetera, we have about
ten x the sex drive that women do, and so
this results in very different decisions. I get it, I
totally get it.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
But I've never even heard that argument made, Oh I
drank too much, I couldn't consent to the sexual act.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Most of the time, I've had to run interference for
you when some of the Grandma's get a little too
handsy with you. You know, they squeeze over to the side,
you know they you know, it's good thing Laura is
not around. She'll karate chop them. Most of the time.
When one person is drunk, the other person is drunk too.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I'm just gonna say, you know, this is like leaving
aside the obviously like intentionally drugging people things like that,
which is not alleged here.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
But if that.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Happened in twenty nineteen, would you ever go out drinking
with that guy again? Like that's the part of it
where I just look at it and say, this just
doesn't pass the credulity test to me. But we'll take
some of your calls and Steve Hilton's going to join
us the top of the next hour. Doesn't mean he's
not a dirt bag. Doesn't mean that I don't I'm
not glad.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I really want to hear his version of why the
code read it, because clearly I want him to tell
us why he thinks this happened when it happened.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And it came from Democrats, it wasn't Republicans coming out.
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US Politics, sports and a little fun thrown into Clay
and Buck. It's a whole vibe. Welcome back in here
to Clay and talk Man show flying by today. So
much going on. We had that live stuff from President
Trump Iran. We are in a game of chicken with
the Iranian regime now over the straight up horn moves.
Trump feels very confident in his side, his position, and
(35:41):
I am not seeing a lot of grumbling from the
party faithful of Magaville, if you will, that they don't
think Trump's gonna see this through. We'll follow up on that.
But also coming up here, so why are Democrats so
freaked out about the Swallwell Governor's race California? All of
this because there's a Republican who he was sitting atop
(36:01):
the charts of their jungle primary. That's right, our friend
Steve Hilton, the one and only he's gonna be joining
us here momentarily, Clay, I mean, honestly, is there anybody
else in the political scene right now that we would
rather talk to you? I don't think so, unless Swalwell
would want to come on, but he'd probably bring his lawyers.
So let's talk to Steve Hilton, Clay, I really want
to hear his take on. Yes, we understand that they
(36:24):
sat on this. The why now, to me is really
an interesting piece of it. Yeah, I'm curious what he
would say. We will tell you we did invite Eric
Swalwell on the program to answer any questions. He has
not said Yes. Doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
But Steve Hilton will be back with us next. We'll
talk about all of this news. When did he become
aware of it, why does he think it happened, and
what's going to occur in the campaign next.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
All that coming up.
Welcome Back in play Travis buck Sexton show, as is
often the case, a bit of a show surrounding President Trump,
as he was just having a press conference outside the
Oval Office immediately preceding it in order to focus on
his no tax on tips policy. He had a door
(00:22):
Dash delivery to the Oval Office from a grandma named Sharon,
and the President gave her a one hundred dollars bill
as a tip, which Sharon was very happy about. I'm sure, Buck,
actually I don't know who has the job. This is
very funny of contacting door Dash and doing a search
(00:46):
on the best door dash delivery for President Trump to
get his McDonald's at the White House, obviously going through security.
I presume that they also would prefer that it be
a Trump supporting door dasher the DC area who is unlikely.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
To throw a huge.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Crazy fit when they're knocking on the door of the
Oval Office to deliver McDonald's to the President. But this happens, Buck,
and then he steps outside, still standing next to the
Grandma door Dash McDonald's delivery person, and has a press
conference about what should happen next with Iran. So all
(01:26):
of this is happening in real time and let's see,
we've got a couple of different cuts there. We mentioned
that Trump said either Iran gives up what he called
the nuclear dust, or we will take it. Trump also
addressed buck he got into a going back and forth
(01:46):
with the Pope. He also, from his Truth's social account,
shared a image of himself that looked like Jesus. Trump
addressed that and said, hey, I thought that the Jesus
picture was depicting me as a doctor. This is Trump
thirty six.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Jesus.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Well, it wasn't a picture. It was me. I did
post it.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
And I thought it was me as a doctor and
had to do with the Red Cross as a Red
Cross worker there, which we support.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And only the fake news could come up with that one.
So I.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Just heard about it, and I said, how did they
come up with that? It's supposed to be me as
a doctor making people better, and I do make people better.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I make people a lot better, all right.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I thought it looked like him as Jesus. But he
has deleted the image. So Trump says he thought he
was being depicted as a doctor, not as Jesus.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Okay, let's head one. Let's just all be Let's all
be upright. Trump knew that he wasn't a doctor, but
this is the most Trump thing ever. He's like, all right,
whatever I thought it was a doctor. He knows and
we know. But he also knows that this now is
kind of an off ramp. People that felt like it
was blasphemy, and I know people will feel that way.
They can. You know, he's he's created a fig leaf,
(03:13):
if you will, of plausible deniability on his I am
Jesus thing. So there we can all move on. But
he's doing this with a smile on his face. He
knows what's going on.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
He did not apologize to the pope, so the Pope
versus Trump feud is ongoing. But he did we said
earlier either they give it up, meaning the nuclear dust
as he called it, or we take it, which I
thought was the most significant news. But he was also
asked what happens if we don't have a deal with
(03:45):
Iran by the time the ceasefire is over? Here is
cut thirty eight? President Trump responding to that.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, I don't want to comment on that, but it'll
be blessing for the numbers that the mo.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
It won't be pleasant. He said he didn't want to
comment on it. He also Buck commented on Cuba, which Venezuela.
If you wonder how things are going in Venezuela's it's
going so well that nobody's even writing about Venezuela at all.
Cuba remains unclear exactly what's going to happen there, but
Trump addressed that cut thirty seven, he was asked about Cuba.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Cuba is another story.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Cuba has been a terribly run country for a long time.
It's got a bad system, it's been very oppressive, as
you know.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And we have a lot of great Cuban.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Americans, all of whom just about voted for me, and
they were treated very badly. In many cases, family members
have been killed, they've been beaten up and mugged, and
like terrible things happened in Cuba.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And Cuba is a failing nation.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
And we're going to do this, and we may stop
by Cuba after we're finished with this, but Cuba is
a nation that was just been horribly run for many
years by Kashi Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Now we said that we would buck talk about the
Swalwell implications, and so at the top of this hour,
let's dive into this a bit. Steve Hilton top of
the third hour. Uh So, Eric Swalwell, Congressman, many of
you know him. He's been one of the most virulently
anti Trump forces for the last decade. Basically his entire
(05:24):
political career is based on being anti Trump.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I would say before this most famous for his escapades
with Feng Fang, the alleged Chinese spy.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Correct and uh and obviously he was able to stay
on the House Intelligence Committee. He was kind of a pitbull,
fair to say, for Nancy Pelosi represents the Bay Area
suburbs and things are not going well. So look, we
talk a lot about the midterms and where things are
setting up, and it is going to be right now,
(05:59):
it appears h challenging environment for Republicans, as is often
the case.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
When you are in the White House.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Now in California, though a lot of the time, the
two leading candidates have been Steve Hilton and Chad Bianco,
who is both both of those guys are Republicans, and
Eric Swalwell had been the leading Democrat candidate.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
He had been endorsed by the teachers' unions.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
By a lot of the other labor unions, and he
was in a position where it seemed like he was
going to advance to the runoff and then Buck, I
want to get your read on this. It feels like
basically the Democrat Party just ordered a code read on him.
I don't buy that they had no idea about his
(06:46):
behavior or that there were a lot of stories. In fact,
he had been asked about them when he was seeking
all these endorsements, and his response had always been as
anti Trump as I am. Don't you think those stories
would have This is paraphrasing him as anti Trump as
I am. Don't you think those stories would have already
come out if they were there? Well, a bunch of
(07:08):
these stories have come out, so among them, one of
his former aides accused him of sexual assault, and then
there are other allegations as we have talked about that
basically he was engaging in extramarital affairs and sending pictures
of himself, naked photos of himself to.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
The part of himself not he wasn't taking selfies of
him his face, at least genital photos.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I don't know what can we say on this A
penis pics. Can we say that I said it two
women that he was not married to, which is pretty
reckless for anyone in Congress, much less when you are
married and one of the leading contenders to be the
governor of California. So Buck, it feels like to me,
Democrats basically decided we're going to order the code read
(07:58):
on him. I will say this, unlike the way that
he treated Brett Kavanaugh, and unlike the way that he
treated President Trump, I think he's entitled to a presumption
of innocence here.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
And this skeptically, I'm just going to say he was
a believe all women guy when he was trying to
destroy Brett Kavanaugh's life on absolutely baseless, absurd, fantastical, fantasy
level allegations against Kavanaugh. Intelligent, no intelligent, honest person believed
(08:31):
that Kavanaugh was a serial gang rapist all throughout high school.
And this was just coming up other way. This It
was really I've said this, It was a political nine
to eleven moment for me, the whole Kavanaugh thing. It
was when we realized a lot of us that the
era of Trump as a brass knuckle brawler against the
other side was so very, very necessary because they have
(08:54):
no scruples. The Democrats have no willingness whatsoever to abide
by fair play, decency, basic ethics. They all knew the
Kavanough By the way, Kamala Harris was a big part
of it too. Get that, everybody, Kamala Harris was a
big part of it. But buddy, but Swallwall was a
believe all women guy, which is on its face, an
(09:17):
absurd and antithetical to our justice system way of approaching cases.
Of course, this is this is This was insane and
it was one of the ugliest things I've ever seen
in American politics. It was the ritualized humiliation and degradation
of a manifestly innocent man. With Supreme Court Justice Bread
(09:39):
Kavanaugh not not guilty, innocent. It was clear he did
none of these things. Okay, the woman couldn't remember the
year since she had two, couldn't fly, but actually didn't
know where the house was, didn't know what year. It
was a liar, okay, and the others were lunatic lunatics,
(10:02):
And I would just say this, buck, I mean, even
if that had all been true, this is the way
I always kind of approach it. Are you telling me
that trying to make out with a girl when you
are because I mean, it was a high school party,
it's forty years ago or whatever the heck it was
in the nineteen eighties in Washington, d C. It wasn't
(10:24):
even a crime.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Like, even if everything that she had alleged was one
hundred percent true, which is one of the ways, like
when you're a lawyer, you say, for purposes of you know,
does it withstand summary judgment, presume that everything is true.
Even if it had all been true, it wouldn't have
been a crime. I don't even think it would have
been disqualifying for being a Supreme Court justice, even if
you accept everything.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
But he was a believe all woman, which is ludicrous.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I'm giving him what he would not, which is I
read these allegations Buck, and I think that I'm kind
of skeptical of the crime of the criminal war crime. Yes,
so there's two different things here.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
There's criminal stuff and there's unbecoming of and you know,
unfit to be in office stuff. Right, those are two
separate categories. I mean they obviously cross over. If you're
doing crimes, are also unfit. But there are things that
don't rise to Now it can be if you're sending
like like because uh Anthony Wiener Democrat, which you can't
(11:22):
make up that that was really his name, given what
went on here, I mean, you know, yes, just putting
that aside, I'm not trying to be childish or you know, uh,
but it really was absurd. But that guy was sending
uh wiener photos yes to a underaged girl and knew
knew she was underaged. That is a crime, and he
(11:43):
got he got nailed on that, as he should. But
with this sending those unsolicited But also I think aan
Culter actually put this out on who we had on
recently and did a great job on the border stuff.
But she said it's almost always unsolicited, right, Like, if
you're a stranger, how many strangers are like, you know
(12:03):
what I want from this congressman right now? A photo
of his man parts? This is that's a thing. I
don't think women really ever want these photos.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
This is the big one of many major differences between
men and women. Men would always like to see a
naked photo, so I think in many men's minds, this
is like something that women desire as much as men desire.
So so having said all of this, wait, women never
(12:35):
want these photos, and men generally are like, hey, men
in their head are thinking, oh, because men want to
see naked photos of women.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Either one of two things.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Women are as interested in naked photos as we are,
which is almost never true. Or he's thinking, if I
send her a naked photo, she's gonna send me a
naked photo back. If I were in his head, that's
what I would expect that he was thinking. Having said
all of this, this was not well kept secret. But
everybody on Capitol Hill was aware that this dude was
(13:04):
chasing chicks, and they did it care until they started
to see there might be a political cost to the party.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Writt Law, They his behavior. They were covering this up.
They were covering it up for years because he was useful.
The second he became a political liability. To use your
phrase here, or to use Tom Cruise slash Colonel Nathan R.
Jessup United States Marine Corps Guantanamo Bay, cubas phrase, the
(13:34):
code read, they ordered the code read on him. And
it's so interesting to see why. And we'll talk to
Steve Hilton, who's his primary Republican opponent in that California
governor's race, in the top of the next hour. But Clay,
what this tells you is that if he was free
and clear to be governor. If he was going to
sail through and win this election without causing any problems,
(13:55):
do you think they would have done this? No, because
I believe if he can win, even if this came
out after he was in office, they would say, first
of all, wouldn't come out this way, So they would
they wouldn't run that They this was a total destruction
campaign to take out Swallowell from this governor's race, and
they were effective in doing so. But the reminder for
(14:16):
everybody this is not about what is honest, honest, or
ethical or good. So funny do you see Stelter, It's
like this shows the pallor of journalism. How much Stelter honestly, man,
I'm gonna send you TRT in the mail if it's
something I could do.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
But we can't have the power of journalism. They know
they were Here's what I think happened. I think that
the other opponents on the Democrat side got whint to this.
I think the Katie Porters of the world said, if
this doesn't come out now, then the story will come
out after he's the nominee and it might cost us
the governorship. And the Democrat Party ordered the code read
(14:54):
They said, hey, we're going to stop protecting him. Now
it's time to take him out. That's the way I
think this went down. Well, I I yeah, I think
there were concerns, so that's interesting. I think there were
concerns that he was splitting the vote and that at
the end of this it was going to make a
Republican much more viable. You think, because Clay, there's no
(15:14):
Republican infrastructure to run this story.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
We couldn't run this story now. The only reason, you know,
the only reason it takes him out is because it
was New York Times and political and it was Home
Team Hit.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Francisco Chronicle and this broke it on show. Who's going
to come out with this?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Though? Who's going to come out if he's up against
a Republican in a general, if it's one to one
and they're the two from the jungle primary. San Francisco
Chronicle doesn't do that. No way, he thinks, no way,
they run this to give me a Republican.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I think Katie Porter went to then we'll talk about
this all right, and said.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
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Clay and Buck Deer waves all right, welcome back in
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Swalwell situation. Clay, what about this idea? What if it
just am I going to be a coincidence theorist here?
What if just the women? Because he was leading the
governor's race, they decided enough is enough? And then because
(17:31):
the timing of us does not, why not keep him
off the ballot entirely when they knew that he was
You know what I'm saying for the Democrats, it feels
weird that this is eight of them running.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I don't think that they expected to be in a
situation where none of them really had become the lead candidate.
And then he got all the indictments, I mean, sorry,
all the endorsements.
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Speaker 2 (19:00):
I will say it.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I think Eric Swalwell is a conniving, lying, untrustworthy scumbag.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Based on the evidence Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Again being fair to him in a way that he
was not fair to Brett Cavanaugh, not fair to President Trump,
any number of Republicans who he said hashtag believe all women,
the exact opposite of what you should do. Should never
believe all men or all women. Men and women lie.
You should believe evidence, You should believe facts. That's why
Lady Justice is blind. I don't think he committed a
(19:34):
crime here. I don't think he committed a crime based
on the allegations that are out there right now from
the San Francisco Chronicle and from CNN. But and by
the way, the reason I don't think he committed a
crime was this woman alleges that he sexually assaulted her
in twenty nineteen, and then she slept with him again
(19:57):
in twenty twenty four, and she says he's sexual assaulted
her again and basically that she could not consent. I'm
paraphrasing here. Her allegations because she had too much alcohol.
I if I were sitting on a jury and you
told me she alleges that he raped her five years ago,
(20:18):
and then she went out drinking with him again and
says that he raped her again, I would just say,
if I'm on a jury or I'm the defense attorney,
how many women out there if you had been raped
by a guy, would you voluntarily decide to go out
drinking with him again? That to me, does not have
(20:38):
the ring of truth. And it's also why I don't
think it's unfair to look at the allegations and say, hey,
if a court of law wants to examine them, but
does that strike you as a rational take to believe
that he committed a crime?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It doesn't to me. First of all, you would have
been a great defense attorney. I really would like you know.
I know you've chosen this path and we're having a
lot of fun here on radio and it's worked out fantastically,
But he would have been a great defense attorney because
you truly believe in the system. I'm very cynical about
the system in many ways. Do you truly believe in
the system. You're You're like a guy, you're you are
(21:15):
exactly if you were accused, especially if you're accused in
your innocent you want someone like Clay who is who
is innocent until proven guilty have our day in court. Lady.
Justice is blind the whole thing, right.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
So that's I really do believe in all of that,
even if it sometimes means that I have to defend
dirt bags like Eric Swalwell. I just don't think this
adds up now, So which just kinda.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Just finish one thing before we get, you know, on
the criminal part of this stuff. The criminal part it
doesn't really matter that much in terms of se see,
but I think it does because I think if he
had just been accused of sleeping with women that were
not his wife, he wouldn't have dropped out of this race,
and I think Democrats would have been hard pressed to
get him to drop out. No, but see, this is
(21:57):
this is uh, this is Clay where I see it
a differently here. But when I say the criminal part
doesn't matter, please understand, I'm saying that whether he is
beyond reasonable without guilty or not, or their charges or not,
on that, I think he's done politically, which is why
he's already stepped away, right, But if.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You think even if there hadn't been the criminal allegations,
that they were sufficient enough that Democrats would have thrown him.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
To the wolves. There is among Democrats particularly a real
should we say, sensitivity to men on Capitol Hill using
their power to sleep with employees. That alone, you know,
if you're in Congress, and you are by the way,
(22:40):
I believe it's against Now it's not a crime, but
I believe it's against like congressional rules, it's certainly also
against general employment rules. You're not actually allowed to be clear,
there's also a problem, well, there's a whole allegations, at
least with the former DHS chief for Trump. You are
not allowed to sleep with a government employee who was
in your chain of command. You're not allowed to do that.
(23:02):
That is a big, a big employment law. No, no,
for obvious reasons. This guy had a pattern and practice
of using his role in Congress. To At a minute,
but by the way, he's basically said that he's saying
this was consensual. Right, He's not saying he didn't sleep
with women. He's saying it's consensual. So that alone, as
(23:25):
a member of Congress, with this wasn't just I was
having affairs. This was I was a man in Congress
sleeping with my very young of age but young female staffers.
That's a big problem. Like that's a pr nightmare. It's
also a Congression nightmare. Now we get to if he
can't run for governor, why should he still keep his
(23:46):
job in Congress? And I think Democrats are going to
they're going to have a challenge with this one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
The one thing I would push back on is exactly
what you described is what Joe Biden allegedly did with
Tara Reid, and they just push it all to the
side and pretended it didn't exist. Joe Biden, the allegation
was that he sexually assaulted a woman who worked for him,
(24:12):
Tara Reid, back in the day.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
All right, all right, counsel, I'm gonna put the prosecution
does not rest yet the Joe Biden situation. And to
be clear, I found her entirely credible, not just because
I don't like Joe Biden, but just because of she
worked for him, the circumstances. Joe Biden's a creepy, handsy weirdo,
So I did find her credible. Credible is different from
beyond a reasonable doubt, though in a court also to
be fair, but Clay, that was a one off. To
(24:35):
be fair to Biden versus Well, I was a one
off situation, not a pattern in practice. It was a
long time ago, which I know that you start to
get into this, but there is a time difference with
thirty years ago versus twenty twenty or whatever. I mean,
people are more likely. So I think that those two
factors made it easier for them to do what they
(24:57):
wanted to do, which was to just ignore the Biden thing.
I'm not saying it was ethically or morally different. I'm
just saying the swallow off the I mean, this guy,
he's already out. He was a nominee.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
So Biden was a nominee at the time, which goes
to your argument of once you're the nominee, they'll defend anything.
Here's the other thing I would say, though, I think
that either Tom Steyer or Katie Porter had this and
they knew they had to deploy it now because otherwise
Swalwell was going to be one of the two nominees.
(25:29):
Now to your point, they may not have cared once
he was the nominee, it's possible they would have just said, oh,
you know, you can't trust this because they want him
to get into the office. But I think it's not
coincidental that they deployed it right now. Voting starts June third,
so they waited until six weeks out. He announced in
November he ran for six months. He had just gotten
(25:52):
and this is so significant. We'll talk with Steve Hilton
about this at the top of the next hour, who's
running against Eric Swalwell as the Republican. He had just
got in all the big union endorsements. Teachers' Union endorsed him,
a couple of the other big unions. He was an
overwhelming favorite to be the Democrat nominee. Now it's a
jungle primary so called, meaning the top two go. But
(26:13):
I think they knew they had to put the code
red in because otherwise he was going to be the nominee.
So I think Katie Porter, if if you ask me,
I think Katie Porter put this in the works. She
is also thoroughly unlikable. She got divorced after allegedly dumping
potatoes boiling potatoes on her husband's head.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
The boiling water that the potatoes are cooking I mean
that's the potatoes would be hot, the boiling water would
be quite unpleasant.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yes, they are now divorced. Who married who married? Katie Porter?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I might have a little bit of a questioning there
if I'm gonna say this, if you marry a chick
who looks like Shrek, I feel like you're expecting she's
at least gonna be nice.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
That's a good point, you won't think if yes, be honest,
She's not.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
She's awful.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
And remember her campaign kind of went off the rails.
We played this on the audio when she was getting interviewed,
and she just went after the interviewer over, hey do
you want remember do you want Trump supporters to vote
for you?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And she just lost it for no reason.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So she's thoroughly unlikable, which is why now the favorite
is this guy Tom Steyer, who is basically the has
the charisma of a snail, but he's a billionaire and
he's willing to spend a lot of money, and he
is now the favored Democrat candidate. It appears to benefit
(27:36):
now from Swalwell being out. By the way, if Swalwell
didn't drop out, I think he still would have gotten
a lot of votes. Now he would have had the
money to be able to run, which is really why
I think he dropped out, because all his supporters abandoned him,
and he's not independently wealthy. But I think it's been
(27:57):
shown that voters have a higher stan hindered for whether
they should or not is an interesting question, but a
higher standard for misbehavior from candidates than the media that
covers the candidates or many of the political party operatives
in general.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You know what I found really interesting. I was just
checking this out. I know that Tom sty So let's
talk Tom Steyer for a second. First of all, he's
one of these climate change nutbags yep, which is like
climate change has fallen off as an issue because you
have to for some reason ignore everything that you can
observe about this, like what's really happening, what the data
(28:35):
actually says. It's just a garbage issue. They'll bring it
back because people forget about how it was wrong all along.
But in the meantime, Tom Steyer is one of these
climate changes and existential threat people. He founded Farolan Capital
back in the eighties and was a very successful hedge
fun guy. Now a little bit of this is kind
of just being right place, right time, you're in the valley.
(28:55):
Starting in the eighties, the greatest explosion of wealth creation
in Silicon Valley really in the history of the planet,
uh in many ways, occurred in that area. And you're
an investor, guess what you're gonna be? Okay, okay, fine,
you know you could say that a lot of people
right place, right time. Clay he did investments back in
the day. This is just you. This is a lovegroc
His investments included fossil fuels, coal projects, private prisons, which,
(29:21):
let me be clear, I have no problem with this,
like these are good. These are these are you know, companies,
they're they're operating the private sector. He invested in them.
Good for him. But he made all of his money
investing in real stuff fossil fuels, coal plants, and then
turned or not all of it, but made a lot
of his money in this and then turns around and it
(29:42):
is like, well, the whole world's gonna end unless we
all start riding bicycles and cut our CO two emissions.
It's like a weird lib guilt thing. That's really what
this guy is. He is the the the poster child
for lib Bay area guilty conscience, became super rich off
of the cap alistic economy that he now pretends is
(30:02):
going to destroy the world because of CO two emissions.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
And now he's going to spend billions of dollars to
try to get elected as the next governor of California.
Let me ask you this. We can talk about it
when we come back. We got some interesting calls. We'll
get to you guys as well. He's you asked the question,
he's not running for governor now he's dropped out.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Why is he still in Congress?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Like, I don't understand why if you're not able to
continue to run, which is why I would have told him, Hey,
just say it's not true and stay in the race
once you drop out. Now I think the answer is
Democrats give him a pass once he drops out. They're like,
they need that, they want as many seats in the
House as possible. But see this goes to this was
a code read yep, right, because they're not giving him
(30:47):
because they don't need him for the governor's race. They
don't want him in the governor's race, but they need
him in congre You need him on that wall, Democrats,
they need him in kind.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I guarantee you.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
They told him, if you drop out of this race,
then we won't come after you in Congress. The votes
are there to allow you to stay in Congress. My
point would just be, if you're not able to run
for governor, why are you able to actually continue to
serve as a congressman? This law data point data point
number three million, two hundred and fifty seven. In the
(31:18):
Democrats have no principles arena. Yes, it's just power, folks.
Whatever is power, that's what they want. Nothing else matters.
And here is another part of principle that I'll stand
behind Democrat or Republican. I don't think you should get
kicked out of Congress for allegations. I really don't, particularly
because all it does is incentivize baseless accusations because then
(31:41):
they can be politically powerful to use against you. And again,
if I'm looking at this evidence, I don't buy the
fact that he committed a crime. I just I don't
believe that you sleep with somebody in twenty nineteen, allege
that you're sexually assaulted by them, and then go out
for drinks and hook up with them again. Would you
ever if you're a woman listening to us right now,
(32:03):
if somebody sexually assaulted you, would you ever go out
to drink with them again? Like that just doesn't add up.
And it's like you're not allowed to ask these questions
because oh, we have to hashtag believe all women.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
But I would say the same thing about men.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
By the way, has there ever been a man who
said I was sexually assaulted. I drank too much and
I couldn't consent to sex. Has that argument ever been
made by man? Have you ever seen it a straight man?
I've never a straight man. Have you ever heard any
of you in your lives? Have you ever heard a
straight man say I had too much to drink and
(32:40):
I couldn't consent to sex.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
As a result.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I've never heard a straight man makeeter maybe a game
hunger has I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Know biology, Because of testosterone, et cetera, we have about
ten x the sex drive that women do, and so
this results in very different decisions. I get it, I
totally get it.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
But I've never even heard that argument made, Oh I
drank too much, I couldn't consent to the sexual act.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Most of the time, I've had to run interference for
you when some of the Grandma's get a little too
handsy with you. You know, they squeeze over to the side,
you know they you know, it's good thing Laura is
not around. She'll karate chop them. Most of the time.
When one person is drunk, the other person is drunk too.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I'm just gonna say, you know, this is like leaving
aside the obviously like intentionally drugging people things like that,
which is not alleged here.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
But if that.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Happened in twenty nineteen, would you ever go out drinking
with that guy again? Like that's the part of it
where I just look at it and say, this just
doesn't pass the credulity test to me. But we'll take
some of your calls and Steve Hilton's going to join
us the top of the next hour. Doesn't mean he's
not a dirt bag. Doesn't mean that I don't I'm
not glad.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I really want to hear his version of why the
code read it, because clearly I want him to tell
us why he thinks this happened when it happened.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And it came from Democrats, it wasn't Republicans coming out.
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much going on. We had that live stuff from President
Trump Iran. We are in a game of chicken with
the Iranian regime now over the straight up horn moves.
Trump feels very confident in his side, his position, and
(35:41):
I am not seeing a lot of grumbling from the
party faithful of Magaville, if you will, that they don't
think Trump's gonna see this through. We'll follow up on that.
But also coming up here, so why are Democrats so
freaked out about the Swallwell Governor's race California? All of
this because there's a Republican who he was sitting atop
(36:01):
the charts of their jungle primary. That's right, our friend
Steve Hilton, the one and only he's gonna be joining
us here momentarily, Clay, I mean, honestly, is there anybody
else in the political scene right now that we would
rather talk to you? I don't think so, unless Swalwell
would want to come on, but he'd probably bring his lawyers.
So let's talk to Steve Hilton, Clay, I really want
to hear his take on. Yes, we understand that they
(36:24):
sat on this. The why now, to me is really
an interesting piece of it. Yeah, I'm curious what he
would say. We will tell you we did invite Eric
Swalwell on the program to answer any questions. He has
not said Yes. Doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
But Steve Hilton will be back with us next. We'll
talk about all of this news. When did he become
aware of it, why does he think it happened, and
what's going to occur in the campaign next.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
All that coming up.
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