December 8, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show dives deep into one of the most explosive political stories of the week: the New York Times admission that the Biden administration catastrophically mishandled immigration policy. Clay and Buck break down how Democrats ignored repeated warnings about the border crisis, prioritizing other issues like COVID and the economy, and how this failure has fueled record illegal crossings. The hosts argue that this was not incompetence but an intentional strategy to reshape congressional apportionment and future elections by allowing millions of illegal immigrants into the country. They also highlight how Democrats are now scrambling to rebrand themselves as pro-border security ahead of the 2026 midterms, a move Clay and Buck call disingenuous given the administration’s open-border agenda.
The conversation expands into the root causes of mass migration, with Clay explaining why America’s unmatched economic opportunity acts as a magnet for illegal immigration. He also zeroes in on birthright citizenship as a major policy flaw, tracing its historical origins and calling for the Supreme Court to eliminate this incentive going forward. Buck underscores how birth tourism and chain migration have turned U.S. immigration into a system that rewards lawbreaking while sidelining merit-based entry. Both hosts argue for a complete overhaul of immigration policy—legal and illegal—to restore assimilation and protect American sovereignty.
From immigration, the hour pivots to cultural and political dynamics within the conservative movement. Clay and Buck analyze Marjorie Taylor Greene’s high-profile 60 Minutes interview and her public feud with Donald Trump, noting how legacy media suddenly embraced Greene once she criticized Trump. They expose CBS and 60 Minutes for their hypocrisy, recalling Leslie Stahl’s infamous dismissal of the Hunter Biden laptop story as “Russian disinformation” and questioning why mainstream outlets refuse to admit their mistakes. This segment evolves into a broader discussion about unity on the right, with Clay warning against purity tests and infighting now that the existential threat of Biden’s presidency has diminished.
Hour 2 also tackles a critical Supreme Court case that could redefine presidential power for decades. Clay explains why the ability of a president to hire and fire executive branch employees is essential to maintaining constitutional separation of powers. The hosts argue that unelected bureaucrats have amassed unchecked authority, undermining the executive branch and creating a shadow government resistant to accountability. Buck draws parallels to Elon Musk’s overhaul of Twitter, suggesting that federal agencies could operate more efficiently with far fewer employees.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now, this
fantastic program that you're listening to here, Some even say fabulous.
Some people are saying thank you for being here with us.
We have this story in the New York Times, which
means that there's something going on here. Why now, Why
is it that all of a sudden you have the
(00:23):
New York Times writing that, you know, they really messed
up on that immigration thing under Biden's administration. They they
really and the explanation is essentially that it was a mistake, right.
The explanation is that Biden's immigration policy fell victim to
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other priorities like COVID and the economy. Here is this
story how Biden ignored warnings and lost Americans' faith in immigration.
The Democratic president and as top advisors rejected recommendations that
could have eased the border crisis and help return Donald
Trump to the White House. There's a lot going on
(01:12):
in this piece, and there's a real I want to
also get into not only how they're trying to message
this thing, but Clay also how it is or what
it is that they're trying to accomplish with this, because
they're already thinking forward to twenty twenty six the midterms,
and remember, in their minds, if they can just get
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the House, it effectively pumps the brakes on the Trump agenda.
And then we just get into a presidential election cycle
and everything, you know, everything changes at some level in
their minds politically if they can just pull that off.
So they view the stakes as very high. The stakes
are very high, and they're willing to do absolutely anything
to try to get Democrats back in control, and even
(01:57):
if that means throwing some Democrats under the bus. Clay,
you go through this part of this is I just
want us to take a victory lot. We've always saw immigration,
border crime, immigration, border crime. We've been talking about this
for the whole time we've been doing the show, and
specifically on immigration, we told you it was gonna be
a huge issue in this last election, which it was.
I remember that was one of the lead things, Clay.
(02:19):
I was talking on the Bill Maher show right before
the election, and even Bill Maher looked at me and
he's like, they completely screwed up the immigration thing. He
didn't use that word, he's a different word, but he said,
they completely mess that up as badly as it could
be messed up. But what you have to remember here,
and they go through all of this, they talk about
how oh they were distracted, and no this was known
(02:42):
the whole time. They decided to continue to let this happen.
People who understood the system. Clay told Biden, Hey, this
is gonna get really bad and really out of control,
just so you know, I mean they say chaos then
paral year one, that's what they talk about. And the
(03:04):
Biden response was to put Kamala Harris in charge as
the borders are, which if you wanted something to be
completely ineffective, putting Kamala in charge probably a good idea.
So you know, in that sense it worked exactly as intended.
They talked about changing the root causes. People even forget this.
They go through this in the article that Kamala was
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supposed to address the root causes of migration in Central America. Oh,
I don't know, because Central American countries are poor, dysfunctional,
and corrupt and not very nice places to live, with
some exceptions. And America is the greatest country in the
history of the world. So how exactly are you going
to convince people that if they can come here, they'd
rather stay in Honduras. That was idiotic, And I think Clay,
(03:50):
really what this comes down to is that they want
to change the narrative. It's so bad for them on
a legal immigration that Democrats in twenty twenty six want
to go back to. We believe even a secure border too.
Biden made mistakes. They don't want people to realize. No,
that's exactly. They wanted ten million plus in legals to
flood the country because now they're going to be part
(04:10):
of the congressional apportionment, part of the They're gonna have
kids here, they're gonna raise their kids to hopefully vote Democrat,
et cetera, et cetera, and of course not nationalize, naturalize,
and amnesty everybody over time.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, and this is why the Supreme Court decision on
birthright citizenship is so important. I always go to what
causes this to occur? And the answer is two things.
If you want to know, Kamala Harris. The root cause, Yes,
our country is way better than the other country. That's
the root cause. But the root cause of why it's
(04:46):
better is one, the jobs pay better.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
You can make way.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
More money if you come to the United States than
you can in almost any other country in the world.
And I always like this analogy because I think it
brings it home. If the United States was a crappy
country and if you could make ten x your money
in Canada, tons of Americans would be trying to cross
into Canada to get jobs there.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
So one is we.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Have built the best economy that's ever existed in the
history of the world, that is the United States has
and it acts as a magnet to draw people all
over the world, which is why you actually need to restrict.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
The number of people who are able to come into
the country. Right, that's one. Two.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
In addition to creating the best economy in the history
of the world, we have also I think wedded it
with a disastrous policy decision, which is birthright by soil citizenship.
So if you come to the United States, even if
you come here illegally, and you have a child in
the United States, that child becomes a citizen. That should
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not exist and we should do away with it. And
people out there really don't dive into the root cause
of why that occurred. It will because of the colonization
and because in the olden days, if you were in
Great Britain and you were trying to convince someone, hey,
go to these thirteen American colonies, move your family there.
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You had to let people know, but your kids can
always come back to England. The same thing happened all
over the New World because people were concerned that you
couldn't go back to Spain, or you couldn't go back
to England, or you couldn't go back to Portugal or
whatever country out there. Was driving the exploration of the
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New World. And so that's the reason this exists. But
and so this is I think of all of the
decisions that the Supreme Court is going to issue, the
one that I think could have the most long lasting
and transformative impact would be if they did say, you
know what, there is no constitutional right to birthright citizenship.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
They would have to make it going forward, because I
think the challenges of making it run active. Yeah, I mean,
you got it, but going forward, you would at least
eliminate the idea that Chinese people are going to hop
on a plane when they're eight months pregnant, come to
the United States, have a baby, and that baby has
dual Chinese and American citizenship. They're gaming the system in
(07:16):
a way that historically you couldn't nobody could time a
pregnancy and come to the United States to have birthright
by soil citizenship as the result.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Well, also it's illegal to do that. So the hotels,
the birth tourism hotels, for example in California, where this
is common with Asian visitors, Yep, they get in trouble,
they get prosecuted for this. And yet usually you can't
profit from crime. But clearly the offspring of the people
who are doing this are very and therefore in the
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family too, they are very much profiting from it. Remember,
having the anchor here then means that you can sponsor
what they call family reunification. Most of our immigrations. You're
being lied to about all of us all the time. Okay,
you have to remember this. You're being lied to. We
are not taking the best, in the brightest, We are
not taking people based on skills. It is a giant
(08:10):
scam and essentially one huge welfare operation for the Third World.
So as long as you are from a poor, predominantly
non white country somewhere else in the world, you've got
a good shot at coming into America. If you know
how the game is played, you know, if you're a
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you know, a neurosurgeon from Sweden. We don't need you,
you know, like no interest. But if you're coming here
from one of the poorest countries, war torn country, whatever,
or even just a place that's totally dysfunctional, we want you.
That sounds great. That's the way the system has been running.
Mostly it's it's people who are getting through the lottery system.
Think about that. What do we have a lottery? Well, yes,
(08:53):
well why are we giving away American americanness, like like
we you know, give away a pot roast whose idea
was this? We have a lottery system, and then we
also have reunification. Oh so if you get here through
any of these mechanisms, then you have chained migration, and
you can sponsor other people in your family to come here,
and so on and so forth. The whole system has
(09:14):
gotten turned upside down to the last, well since nineteen
sixty five, the Immigration and Naturalization Act. So what's going on?
I can't do the math, you know, sixty years and
no it is sixty years. Yeah, that's right. So Clay,
it's time that we have a total top down look
not only at a legal immigration, but at legal immigration
in this country and start to do what we've been
told is being done, but has been a lie all along,
(09:36):
which is actually have this be for immigration first of all,
a lot less. We need some assimilation in this country.
We need some America time for all of us. Everybody's
here as American. We get to spend a little more
time together, figure out some things. What you see in
the Somali community, which we'll talk about more. With the
Somali American community being part of this huge fraud ongoing,
(09:59):
many peace people, lots of folks involved there. This is
not a well assimilated community yet. Okay, we need some
time to assimilate the people who are already here, and
americanness needs to be something that we all agree on
and is spreading more freely, shall we say?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
So?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
This is where the whole Biden thing though, it's just
so galling. Everything that we said all along was true. Yes,
everything that we said on the show about immigration for
years and people, well, it's terrible. And the porter's not open.
The porter was absolutely open.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
It was wide open. It was wide open. It was intentional.
And here is the diabolical aspect of all of this.
They knew that they were making a generational decision. I
don't know that Joe Biden really understood it, because I
think Biden was so out to lunch he didn't understand
anything that was going on. But the Biden puppeteers recognized
(10:52):
that they were bringing it in twenty million right now,
million illegals who they are gambling will at some point
become citizens and end up benefiting them. Now, I think
one of the parts of this political calculus that nobody
really dove into buck was Trump won Hispanic men and
(11:16):
he narrowly lost Hispanic women in the twenty twenty four election.
These are legal Hispanic voters, and obviously the Hispanic vote,
as you know, living in Miami, there's a big difference
between somebody who's from Venezuela and Honduras or.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You know, Like you don't want to get that one wrong,
let me tell you. They do not. They do not
like when people assume that Hispanics are like this monolith
that everyone's the same. No, no, no, no, no. Clay beyond that,
I just you reminded me of something. The piece is
really important the Democrats, and they're always trying to massage
this like, oh no, it was a mistake. They weren't
focused on it. But also they admit, they say they
(11:53):
totally the Democrat and I mean the very top like
the Biden White House, the claims and the other people that,
you know, they're thrown under the bus. Now. They all
thought that Hispanics would be with them on this. Yes,
what they didn't realize is that US citizens of Hispanic
origin or ancestry were like, what are you doing giving
(12:15):
this a way to everybody who arrived five minutes ago
who speaks no English. They didn't understand the dynamic. They
didn't understand that Cuban Americans who were like, you know,
I'm second third generation, we fled Castro, we came here legally,
and you're going to treat someone who shows up from
you know, Mayan mar or a Burma or whatever, you know,
as they're as American as apple pie, even if they
(12:36):
just ran across the border illegally. Hispanic community did not
actually go for that.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, and again, I think one of the biggest challenges
we have here is the lack of You could talk
about the you should if you're moving to America.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Number one rule should be you believe.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
America is the greatest country in the history of the world,
and you want to ensure that we preserve what made
America the greatest country in the history of the world,
and a knowledge of Western civilization is integral there, and
an embrace of basic values of Western civilization that doesn't exist,
that doesn't exist with many of these new immigrants, which
(13:16):
for people out there who say, well, what about when
people were coming from Italy or flooding the country from
Ireland or all over Europe back in the day, those
people overwhelmingly were raised in a Western civilizational background that
acknowledges basic human rights, among other things, and the immense
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benefits to society of the concepts of Western civilization.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I remember I went, I went a long time ago
to the Tenement Museum in New York City. I mean
over over a decade ago. But it's a very uh
it's a kind of harrowing experience in some ways because
you're in all these small rooms in these buildings. It's
the same building that these immigrants would have come to.
And this is clay in the era of Ellis Island
and everything else. You would have a family of eight
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living in what is essentially one room. You had no
welfare services, no check, no free rent, no free food, nothing.
There would be outbreaks of typhus, and they would have
they would just be stacking dead bodies out on the
street with no one even coming to claim them in
a timely fashion. Because these immigrants had no money, They
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had nothing. This is true of the Irish, the Chinese,
you know that were showing up in the the Italians,
the Jewish who were showing up in New York City.
And people want to compare that to like now you get,
you know, free plane tickets or wherever you show up
there's immigrant services. You're getting an EBT card. Basically, you're
getting a prepaid cash card. You go into any emergency room,
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you get absolutely world class medical care. You're not going
to pay a dollar. I mean you could on the list.
We're the world's welfare state. We can't do this, everybody.
We can't afford it.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
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Speaker 2 (16:39):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. Uh, do you
want to dive in Buck to the Marjorie Taylor Green
decision that is out there sixty minutes. I'm I'm kind
of intrigued by what's going on there.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Trump teed off on You're just I try, you know,
I just we there's so many food fights going on
on the right these days. I just want us. I
kind of want us to be a food fight free
zone here. But if you want to talk about this one,
because when it involves Trump, it's different, he's the president,
but in general, people like, why aren't you weighing in
on this person and that person. It's like, because we're
trying to talk about the world and what matters to
(17:19):
all of you, not you know, I think the food
fight is the best analogy for this. I do think
it is interesting in this context, Marjorie Taylor Green and
all of you could probably see this. We had her
on the show several times, so I'm not trying to
integrate her in any way. But they labeled her as
a kook that you basically couldn't even pay attention to.
(17:43):
She was a QAnon moron, was the way that they
labeled her in legacy media as soon as she started
to criticize Trump. Now she gets a sixty minutes profile.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It really is indicative I think of how this is
playing out and being treated in general. But if you
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
So we talk about this a moment ago, so I
think we should get it a little bit. Clay. I'll
lay this out as I see it, and you will,
you know, I will put the brush and the paints
out there, and you will create on the canvas what
you see fit with this. Okay. We had Marjorie Taylor
Green play the artiste. We know a kind of wine
(19:20):
he's drinking with that beret. You know what I'm saying,
The rose man, I can't let that. You know, the
rose thing. We got to keep rolling with this one.
You know what I'm saying. It's the Holida.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Will there be rose at the holiday party next this week?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Clay? You think I would have you at a holiday
party and there wouldn't be there's rose in your Honor's
We're gonna call it Clay's Rose. Actually, yes, it's gonna
be like a special beverage. Marjorie Taylor Green went on
sixty minutes, and look, she was one of the people
I think in the house who was most associated with
(19:54):
MAGA for a period of time, were certainly in the
very pro Trump side of things. We've had her on
this show. She was always very pro Trump when she
was something has changed. And she went on CBS on
sixty minutes and we'll let you hear some of this.
This is cut twenty four. This is from her interview
(20:15):
and the sorts of things she was saying. Play it.
He called you a lunatic.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I'm quoting.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
He said all she does is complain, complaint, complaint, and caps,
and then he called you a trader.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
So he hit you quack too. Yes, he did this
in the same time span where President Trump brought in
the al Qaeda leader that was wanted by the US
government who is now the president of Syria. Then within
a week he brought in the Crown Prince MBS who
murdered an American journalist, and then he brought in the
newly elected Democrat socialist mayor of New York. That was
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the time span that he called me a trader.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
She's exclaiming she's taking some shots here. What do you
make of it?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Look, she can say whatever she wants and she can
take shots at whoever she wants, and she can make
whatever arguments she feels compelled to make. What I find
to be the most intriguing here is I said earlier,
I think Paramount is the better option to buy Warner Brothers.
But President Trump has teed off on this, and I
(21:20):
think he's got a valid perspective. He said, Look, they
told him that sixty Minutes was going to be better
and more rational in the way that they covered the news,
and then they don't basically give Marjorie Taylor Green any
kind of platform, to my knowledge, on a regular basis
on sixty minutes, until she suddenly starts ripping Trump, and
(21:43):
then she shows up on the View and she shows
up on sixty minutes. And what Trump did in his
criticism was he pointed out something that is still very
significant and in fact, maybe we should pull this, because
I do think the audio of that, as well as
the video, is still apropos and illustrative of how far
(22:04):
left wing CBS News had become.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
That maybe the most.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Embarrassing thing in Leslie Stall's career is when she tried
to lecture Trump on the fact that they couldn't cover
the Hunter Biden laptop because it was Russian disinformation, and
Trump said, no, you can totally cover it. You know,
it's not difficult to figure out that this is not,
in fact Russian disinformation. And he's saying in his statement
(22:33):
that there has never actually been any sort of apology
from Leslie Stall. An apology maybe the wrong word, but
just an acknowledgment that you were wrong about everything if
you're if you are a journalist, you effectively trade your
entire basis in this era in which we live, is
(22:54):
can I trust you now that you're gonna get everything right?
Because the world is comp located and stories are complex,
and sometimes you might think that X is true and
then why ends up being true? But do you come
on and address honestly your audience and say, hey, we
blew it on that one wouldn't sixty minutes say yeah,
(23:17):
we totally blew it on the Hunter Biden thing. And again,
apology may be the wrong word. But if I was
Leslie Stall, and I think your argument, Bluck is going
to be, well, she's doing what her job is to do,
which is just to be media propaganda, so she has
no shame associated with it.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
He heggs out with me enough that he does know
my argument is going to be That is true, But
maybe I'm weird in this way.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
When I'm completely wrong on something, and sometimes I am,
I feel like I should sit down and say, hey,
I thought that X was going to happen. It turned
out that why happened, and I got it wrong. And look,
I'm not going to be perfect in predicting or analyzing everything.
All I'm telling you is I'm trying to do my best.
I wonder how this story ends up happening, Like, how
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is it that sixty minutes, which now has new ownership,
decides that Marjorie Taylor Green, solely based on her feud
with Trump, is now worthy of a viewership.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
And let me also point this out.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Sixty Minutes always brags you probably see it too, Buck
about how many people watch their news show and how
influential they are. It's cause you're on after the NFL.
They could put me doing cartwheels in my pool on
sixty Minutes as the entire hour long special pool handstands
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with Clay, and twenty five million people would watch it
because everybody was just watching the NFL right before, and
so enough people stay that the shoulder programming of the
NFL lifts the rising tide lifts all boats.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
This used to go back to do you know what
the most desired programming opportunity is? If you told me now, Clay,
you can pick any time to be on television at
any point in the year. Do you know what the
number one time slot is? Right after the Super Bowl?
So as soon as the Super Bowl is over, whatever
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they put on, and once the postgame show is over
and everything else gets like fifty million viewers because people
are still at their Super Bowl parties, they're still drinking,
they're still hanging out. There's lots of frivolity, and they
happen to leave their televisions on. You know, sometimes we
benefit from this. When I did sports talker radio, we
(25:35):
had dominant ratings in LA and many of you listening
to us right now you found me in LA. Do
you know what we benefited from back in the day.
Why that partly occurred. Dodger games were aired on my
LA sports talker radio affiliate, So a lot of people
would be in their car driving around. They would be
going to bed listening to the Dodgers, and when they
(25:57):
woke up the next morning, they would still be on
the station and they're like Oh, here's this guy.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Claike Thravis. I kind of like him.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
So everybody can benefit in media based on the lead program.
I hope Sean Hannity is benefiting from us. We benefit
from Glenn Beck in this network. Jesse Kelly benefits from
Sean Hannity. It's a rising tide that lifts all boats.
But the fact that sixty Minutes is as cocky as
they are and that they would make the decision to
do this story, I think is illustrative that there are
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still a lot of people deeply embedded inside of sixty
minutes that hate Trump and are going to try to
do whatever they can to attack him. And I think
Trump sees it. And again, I think this is underlining
the decision that's going to have to be made about
who ends up owning all of these assets from Warner
Brothers were all tied together. What happened to Marjorie Taylor
(26:52):
green Clay? You wanted to talk about it? What's going on?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I mean no, I mean, I do think the fact
that they gave her a platform is a bigger story
than what she individually has ended up focused on. I
think that this is this is my deep seated psychological analysis.
See if you buy into this buck. When Joe Biden
was in office, there was an existential threat to the country.
(27:21):
The borders are wide open, Inflation goes to nine percent,
Biden is talking about packing the Supreme Court, war in Ukraine,
war in Israel, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan. It was
all so bad that a lot of people came together
and Trump's election eliminated that existential fear of Biden and
(27:44):
his government running. And instead of saying, hey, okay, let's
all pull together, I think when that existential enemy is eliminated,
everybody decided that they were going to start fighting over
differences of opinion inside the big tent. And so the
result of Trump's victory was the existential threat of the
(28:05):
Biden administration is diminished. And so many different people in media,
with that existential threat that great evil eliminated, decided to
turn on each other. And I'm big and you're big
on this. In general, I don't presume that I'm going
to agree with everybody inside of what I would call
the tint of sanity. We're gonna have all sorts of disagreements,
(28:27):
but the tint of insanity is so insane. I don't
feel an obligation to have purity tests or fight inside
of my own tent when there's people out there telling me, Hey,
the best male athlete the best female athletes are men
like I want to keep the focus on saying versus insane,
(28:47):
not internal disputes over well, how should we handle Israel? Well,
what do you think we should do about Ukraine? Small
things have I think distracted a lot of people, and
they're missing the big enemy.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
This maybe smaller. I mean sometimes it's small differences. I mean,
obviously on the Ukraine war and on Israel, those can
be depending on these specifics of the subject matter, very
important topics. But yeah, I don't I don't have a person,
I don't have a viewpoint on these things that leads
me to want to get into the mud wrestling, So
(29:23):
I stay out. But I like the mud wrestling.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I just want to mud wrestle with the people that
actually have awful ideas, is what I'm seopl who have
subtle variations different than me.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, well, I don't want to mud wrestle on our team. Sorry,
the mud wrestling thing this is sounded kind of weird.
I don't want to get into the into the muck
of things with people who I agree with on ninety
percent or ninety five percent of things. So my view
of the Marjorie Taylor Green Trump thing is, what are
you doing, Marjorie? You know what, what's what's going on?
What's going on here? I don't. I don't understand, And
(29:55):
she's not surprised. I would assume that Trump takes the
view that he does. If you take a swing at Trump,
he just tends to go thermonuclear in response. That's just
the verbally, but that's just the way that that's the
way that he always has been. So I don't see
any of this as really that surprising. But you wanted
to talk about it, We talked about it.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I do think do you agree with me that if
Kamala had one, I think there's a zero percent chance
that by and large, fighting on the right would have happened,
because Kamala would have been such a disaster.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
There would have been a unity of opposition. I've been
saying this all along a lot of the right on
right stuff you see happening right now, where people are
going after other people who are conservative or who are
on the right, and you know, a lot of it
has to do with support for Israel stuff or whatever
it may be, or people on there's some conspiracy stuff
(30:48):
out there too, but that would not be happening if
we had a Democrat in office right now. Part of
what you see going on, Clay is we are actually
getting the right is. So it's so new to us
to have wins stacked up on wins by an administration
that I think people feel they have the time and
(31:09):
the luxury to eat their own a little bit. And
that's what's happening. You wouldn't normally have this kind of stuff.
We will all trust me every everything right now. A
lot of them, a lot of people probably aren't even
aware of it. You have to be very online. You
have to be very online, meaning you know, involved in
the digital space. So if you're a talk radio listener,
you're probably thinking, what are these guys even talking about
(31:31):
because there's not very much of it. Certainly we don't
do it. You know, the big talk radio shows aren't
really getting into this stuff. They're focused on our show,
Sean's show, Glenn's show. It's a it's a online thing,
an x you know, YouTube rumble. That's where you have
people that are that are going after each other, so
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(31:52):
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Speaker 2 (33:24):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through uh the program here and uh, there are a
lot of different stories that we have been tracking so far.
I did want to mention this presidential power case. I
actually think it's flying under the radar a little bit
(33:46):
given the fact that, uh, there's a lot of different
stories to follow. This is huge, Buck, and basically what
it's going to be determined is and this will be
for president and it's long into the future. Because everybody says,
oh my goodness, President of the United States, this is
the Supreme Court bending.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
To his will. Trump's got three more years.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
The odds of even there being that many Supreme Court
cases that come up for Trump in front of the
Supreme Court in the next two years are increasingly less
substantial because it takes so long to get cases of
the Supreme Court to decide them.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
All these things.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Okay, the president, in my opinion, has to be able
to fire all of these people that are being propped
up inside of the governmental bureaucracy. And if we have
true separation of powers, what we have effectively allowed is
these agencies to sweep in between Congress and the president
(34:47):
and take up so much power that whether you like
Trump or don't like Trump, what is the purpose of
an executive and how is the executive authority circumscribed to
what extent at all by the rise of these agencies
and the ability to hire fire. It's a huge story,
(35:08):
and it's going to exist long after Trump is gone.
Are we going to have a president who controls all
these aspects of his presidency or are we going to
have unelected bureaucrats that are allowed to serve for generations
that don't have to be at the beck and call
of the President of the United States.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Think about what happened even during the government shutdown there
were people who were fired from I know, from within
the intelligence agencies who were told thank you, but your
services are no longer needed. And then a judge came in,
a federal judge, and said, yes, you have to rehire
these people. They were terminated and now they have to
(35:48):
Could you can you imagine that job? Hey, Bill? Turns
out we kind of need you, Hey John, could you
actually show up and bring your stuff with you?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Crazy that when we had the government shut down, everybody
eventually ended up getting paid. A lot of people focused,
as we should, on air traffic controllers. There's also a
huge discussion I think they could be had about how
many of those guys in gals didn't have jobs and
it didn't even matter that they weren't there for a
(36:18):
month and the change because there was no impact to
them being gone. I'm willing to die on the hill
of we could fire seventy five percent of federal employees
and the overall effectiveness of government wouldn't budget all. I mean, heck,
I think you can see even inside of a for
profit business. Elon came in and fired what was it like,
seventy percent of all the Twitter employees, and the overall
(36:42):
success of Twitter didn't change at all. In fact, arguably
it got better. We come back top of the next hour.
We'll dive into that Supreme Court case and Australia banned
sixteen and unders on social media.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
What do y'all think about that
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now, this
fantastic program that you're listening to here, Some even say fabulous.
Some people are saying thank you for being here with us.
We have this story in the New York Times, which
means that there's something going on here. Why now, Why
is it that all of a sudden you have the
(00:23):
New York Times writing that, you know, they really messed
up on that immigration thing under Biden's administration. They they
really and the explanation is essentially that it was a mistake, right.
The explanation is that Biden's immigration policy fell victim to
(00:50):
other priorities like COVID and the economy. Here is this
story how Biden ignored warnings and lost Americans' faith in immigration.
The Democratic president and as top advisors rejected recommendations that
could have eased the border crisis and help return Donald
Trump to the White House. There's a lot going on
(01:12):
in this piece, and there's a real I want to
also get into not only how they're trying to message
this thing, but Clay also how it is or what
it is that they're trying to accomplish with this, because
they're already thinking forward to twenty twenty six the midterms,
and remember, in their minds, if they can just get
(01:34):
the House, it effectively pumps the brakes on the Trump agenda.
And then we just get into a presidential election cycle
and everything, you know, everything changes at some level in
their minds politically if they can just pull that off.
So they view the stakes as very high. The stakes
are very high, and they're willing to do absolutely anything
to try to get Democrats back in control, and even
(01:57):
if that means throwing some Democrats under the bus. Clay,
you go through this part of this is I just
want us to take a victory lot. We've always saw immigration,
border crime, immigration, border crime. We've been talking about this
for the whole time we've been doing the show, and
specifically on immigration, we told you it was gonna be
a huge issue in this last election, which it was.
I remember that was one of the lead things, Clay.
(02:19):
I was talking on the Bill Maher show right before
the election, and even Bill Maher looked at me and
he's like, they completely screwed up the immigration thing. He
didn't use that word, he's a different word, but he said,
they completely mess that up as badly as it could
be messed up. But what you have to remember here,
and they go through all of this, they talk about
how oh they were distracted, and no this was known
(02:42):
the whole time. They decided to continue to let this happen.
People who understood the system. Clay told Biden, Hey, this
is gonna get really bad and really out of control,
just so you know, I mean they say chaos then
paral year one, that's what they talk about. And the
(03:04):
Biden response was to put Kamala Harris in charge as
the borders are, which if you wanted something to be
completely ineffective, putting Kamala in charge probably a good idea.
So you know, in that sense it worked exactly as intended.
They talked about changing the root causes. People even forget this.
They go through this in the article that Kamala was
(03:27):
supposed to address the root causes of migration in Central America. Oh,
I don't know, because Central American countries are poor, dysfunctional,
and corrupt and not very nice places to live, with
some exceptions. And America is the greatest country in the
history of the world. So how exactly are you going
to convince people that if they can come here, they'd
rather stay in Honduras. That was idiotic, And I think Clay,
(03:50):
really what this comes down to is that they want
to change the narrative. It's so bad for them on
a legal immigration that Democrats in twenty twenty six want
to go back to. We believe even a secure border too.
Biden made mistakes. They don't want people to realize. No,
that's exactly. They wanted ten million plus in legals to
flood the country because now they're going to be part
(04:10):
of the congressional apportionment, part of the They're gonna have
kids here, they're gonna raise their kids to hopefully vote Democrat,
et cetera, et cetera, and of course not nationalize, naturalize,
and amnesty everybody over time.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, and this is why the Supreme Court decision on
birthright citizenship is so important. I always go to what
causes this to occur? And the answer is two things.
If you want to know, Kamala Harris. The root cause, Yes,
our country is way better than the other country. That's
the root cause. But the root cause of why it's
(04:46):
better is one, the jobs pay better.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
You can make way.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
More money if you come to the United States than
you can in almost any other country in the world.
And I always like this analogy because I think it
brings it home. If the United States was a crappy
country and if you could make ten x your money
in Canada, tons of Americans would be trying to cross
into Canada to get jobs there.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
So one is we.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Have built the best economy that's ever existed in the
history of the world, that is the United States has
and it acts as a magnet to draw people all
over the world, which is why you actually need to restrict.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
The number of people who are able to come into
the country. Right, that's one. Two.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
In addition to creating the best economy in the history
of the world, we have also I think wedded it
with a disastrous policy decision, which is birthright by soil citizenship.
So if you come to the United States, even if
you come here illegally, and you have a child in
the United States, that child becomes a citizen. That should
(05:50):
not exist and we should do away with it. And
people out there really don't dive into the root cause
of why that occurred. It will because of the colonization
and because in the olden days, if you were in
Great Britain and you were trying to convince someone, hey,
go to these thirteen American colonies, move your family there.
(06:12):
You had to let people know, but your kids can
always come back to England. The same thing happened all
over the New World because people were concerned that you
couldn't go back to Spain, or you couldn't go back
to England, or you couldn't go back to Portugal or
whatever country out there. Was driving the exploration of the
(06:34):
New World. And so that's the reason this exists. But
and so this is I think of all of the
decisions that the Supreme Court is going to issue, the
one that I think could have the most long lasting
and transformative impact would be if they did say, you
know what, there is no constitutional right to birthright citizenship.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
They would have to make it going forward, because I
think the challenges of making it run active. Yeah, I mean,
you got it, but going forward, you would at least
eliminate the idea that Chinese people are going to hop
on a plane when they're eight months pregnant, come to
the United States, have a baby, and that baby has
dual Chinese and American citizenship. They're gaming the system in
(07:16):
a way that historically you couldn't nobody could time a
pregnancy and come to the United States to have birthright
by soil citizenship as the result.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Well, also it's illegal to do that. So the hotels,
the birth tourism hotels, for example in California, where this
is common with Asian visitors, Yep, they get in trouble,
they get prosecuted for this. And yet usually you can't
profit from crime. But clearly the offspring of the people
who are doing this are very and therefore in the
(07:48):
family too, they are very much profiting from it. Remember,
having the anchor here then means that you can sponsor
what they call family reunification. Most of our immigrations. You're
being lied to about all of us all the time. Okay,
you have to remember this. You're being lied to. We
are not taking the best, in the brightest, We are
not taking people based on skills. It is a giant
(08:10):
scam and essentially one huge welfare operation for the Third World.
So as long as you are from a poor, predominantly
non white country somewhere else in the world, you've got
a good shot at coming into America. If you know
how the game is played, you know, if you're a
(08:31):
you know, a neurosurgeon from Sweden. We don't need you,
you know, like no interest. But if you're coming here
from one of the poorest countries, war torn country, whatever,
or even just a place that's totally dysfunctional, we want you.
That sounds great. That's the way the system has been running.
Mostly it's it's people who are getting through the lottery system.
Think about that. What do we have a lottery? Well, yes,
(08:53):
well why are we giving away American americanness, like like
we you know, give away a pot roast whose idea
was this? We have a lottery system, and then we
also have reunification. Oh so if you get here through
any of these mechanisms, then you have chained migration, and
you can sponsor other people in your family to come here,
and so on and so forth. The whole system has
(09:14):
gotten turned upside down to the last, well since nineteen
sixty five, the Immigration and Naturalization Act. So what's going on?
I can't do the math, you know, sixty years and
no it is sixty years. Yeah, that's right. So Clay,
it's time that we have a total top down look
not only at a legal immigration, but at legal immigration
in this country and start to do what we've been
told is being done, but has been a lie all along,
(09:36):
which is actually have this be for immigration first of all,
a lot less. We need some assimilation in this country.
We need some America time for all of us. Everybody's
here as American. We get to spend a little more
time together, figure out some things. What you see in
the Somali community, which we'll talk about more. With the
Somali American community being part of this huge fraud ongoing,
(09:59):
many peace people, lots of folks involved there. This is
not a well assimilated community yet. Okay, we need some
time to assimilate the people who are already here, and
americanness needs to be something that we all agree on
and is spreading more freely, shall we say?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
So?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
This is where the whole Biden thing though, it's just
so galling. Everything that we said all along was true. Yes,
everything that we said on the show about immigration for
years and people, well, it's terrible. And the porter's not open.
The porter was absolutely open.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
It was wide open. It was wide open. It was intentional.
And here is the diabolical aspect of all of this.
They knew that they were making a generational decision. I
don't know that Joe Biden really understood it, because I
think Biden was so out to lunch he didn't understand
anything that was going on. But the Biden puppeteers recognized
(10:52):
that they were bringing it in twenty million right now,
million illegals who they are gambling will at some point
become citizens and end up benefiting them. Now, I think
one of the parts of this political calculus that nobody
really dove into buck was Trump won Hispanic men and
(11:16):
he narrowly lost Hispanic women in the twenty twenty four election.
These are legal Hispanic voters, and obviously the Hispanic vote,
as you know, living in Miami, there's a big difference
between somebody who's from Venezuela and Honduras or.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You know, Like you don't want to get that one wrong,
let me tell you. They do not. They do not
like when people assume that Hispanics are like this monolith
that everyone's the same. No, no, no, no, no. Clay beyond that,
I just you reminded me of something. The piece is
really important the Democrats, and they're always trying to massage
this like, oh no, it was a mistake. They weren't
focused on it. But also they admit, they say they
(11:53):
totally the Democrat and I mean the very top like
the Biden White House, the claims and the other people that,
you know, they're thrown under the bus. Now. They all
thought that Hispanics would be with them on this. Yes,
what they didn't realize is that US citizens of Hispanic
origin or ancestry were like, what are you doing giving
(12:15):
this a way to everybody who arrived five minutes ago
who speaks no English. They didn't understand the dynamic. They
didn't understand that Cuban Americans who were like, you know,
I'm second third generation, we fled Castro, we came here legally,
and you're going to treat someone who shows up from
you know, Mayan mar or a Burma or whatever, you know,
as they're as American as apple pie, even if they
(12:36):
just ran across the border illegally. Hispanic community did not
actually go for that.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, and again, I think one of the biggest challenges
we have here is the lack of You could talk
about the you should if you're moving to America.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Number one rule should be you believe.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
America is the greatest country in the history of the world,
and you want to ensure that we preserve what made
America the greatest country in the history of the world,
and a knowledge of Western civilization is integral there, and
an embrace of basic values of Western civilization that doesn't exist,
that doesn't exist with many of these new immigrants, which
(13:16):
for people out there who say, well, what about when
people were coming from Italy or flooding the country from
Ireland or all over Europe back in the day, those
people overwhelmingly were raised in a Western civilizational background that
acknowledges basic human rights, among other things, and the immense
(13:38):
benefits to society of the concepts of Western civilization.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I remember I went, I went a long time ago
to the Tenement Museum in New York City. I mean
over over a decade ago. But it's a very uh
it's a kind of harrowing experience in some ways because
you're in all these small rooms in these buildings. It's
the same building that these immigrants would have come to.
And this is clay in the era of Ellis Island
and everything else. You would have a family of eight
(14:03):
living in what is essentially one room. You had no
welfare services, no check, no free rent, no free food, nothing.
There would be outbreaks of typhus, and they would have
they would just be stacking dead bodies out on the
street with no one even coming to claim them in
a timely fashion. Because these immigrants had no money, They
(14:25):
had nothing. This is true of the Irish, the Chinese,
you know that were showing up in the the Italians,
the Jewish who were showing up in New York City.
And people want to compare that to like now you get,
you know, free plane tickets or wherever you show up
there's immigrant services. You're getting an EBT card. Basically, you're
getting a prepaid cash card. You go into any emergency room,
(14:48):
you get absolutely world class medical care. You're not going
to pay a dollar. I mean you could on the list.
We're the world's welfare state. We can't do this, everybody.
We can't afford it.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And all you have to do is sit back rationally
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. Uh, do you
want to dive in Buck to the Marjorie Taylor Green
decision that is out there sixty minutes. I'm I'm kind
of intrigued by what's going on there.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Trump teed off on You're just I try, you know,
I just we there's so many food fights going on
on the right these days. I just want us. I
kind of want us to be a food fight free
zone here. But if you want to talk about this one,
because when it involves Trump, it's different, he's the president,
but in general, people like, why aren't you weighing in
on this person and that person. It's like, because we're
trying to talk about the world and what matters to
(17:19):
all of you, not you know, I think the food
fight is the best analogy for this. I do think
it is interesting in this context, Marjorie Taylor Green and
all of you could probably see this. We had her
on the show several times, so I'm not trying to
integrate her in any way. But they labeled her as
a kook that you basically couldn't even pay attention to.
(17:43):
She was a QAnon moron, was the way that they
labeled her in legacy media as soon as she started
to criticize Trump. Now she gets a sixty minutes profile.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It really is indicative I think of how this is
playing out and being treated in general. But if you
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
So we talk about this a moment ago, so I
think we should get it a little bit. Clay. I'll
lay this out as I see it, and you will,
you know, I will put the brush and the paints
out there, and you will create on the canvas what
you see fit with this. Okay. We had Marjorie Taylor
Green play the artiste. We know a kind of wine
(19:20):
he's drinking with that beret. You know what I'm saying,
The rose man, I can't let that. You know, the
rose thing. We got to keep rolling with this one.
You know what I'm saying. It's the Holida.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Will there be rose at the holiday party next this week?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Clay? You think I would have you at a holiday
party and there wouldn't be there's rose in your Honor's
We're gonna call it Clay's Rose. Actually, yes, it's gonna
be like a special beverage. Marjorie Taylor Green went on
sixty minutes, and look, she was one of the people
I think in the house who was most associated with
(19:54):
MAGA for a period of time, were certainly in the
very pro Trump side of things. We've had her on
this show. She was always very pro Trump when she
was something has changed. And she went on CBS on
sixty minutes and we'll let you hear some of this.
This is cut twenty four. This is from her interview
(20:15):
and the sorts of things she was saying. Play it.
He called you a lunatic.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I'm quoting.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
He said all she does is complain, complaint, complaint, and caps,
and then he called you a trader.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
So he hit you quack too. Yes, he did this
in the same time span where President Trump brought in
the al Qaeda leader that was wanted by the US
government who is now the president of Syria. Then within
a week he brought in the Crown Prince MBS who
murdered an American journalist, and then he brought in the
newly elected Democrat socialist mayor of New York. That was
(20:49):
the time span that he called me a trader.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
She's exclaiming she's taking some shots here. What do you
make of it?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Look, she can say whatever she wants and she can
take shots at whoever she wants, and she can make
whatever arguments she feels compelled to make. What I find
to be the most intriguing here is I said earlier,
I think Paramount is the better option to buy Warner Brothers.
But President Trump has teed off on this, and I
(21:20):
think he's got a valid perspective. He said, Look, they
told him that sixty Minutes was going to be better
and more rational in the way that they covered the news,
and then they don't basically give Marjorie Taylor Green any
kind of platform, to my knowledge, on a regular basis
on sixty minutes, until she suddenly starts ripping Trump, and
(21:43):
then she shows up on the View and she shows
up on sixty minutes. And what Trump did in his
criticism was he pointed out something that is still very
significant and in fact, maybe we should pull this, because
I do think the audio of that, as well as
the video, is still apropos and illustrative of how far
(22:04):
left wing CBS News had become.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
That maybe the most.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Embarrassing thing in Leslie Stall's career is when she tried
to lecture Trump on the fact that they couldn't cover
the Hunter Biden laptop because it was Russian disinformation, and
Trump said, no, you can totally cover it. You know,
it's not difficult to figure out that this is not,
in fact Russian disinformation. And he's saying in his statement
(22:33):
that there has never actually been any sort of apology
from Leslie Stall. An apology maybe the wrong word, but
just an acknowledgment that you were wrong about everything if
you're if you are a journalist, you effectively trade your
entire basis in this era in which we live, is
(22:54):
can I trust you now that you're gonna get everything right?
Because the world is comp located and stories are complex,
and sometimes you might think that X is true and
then why ends up being true? But do you come
on and address honestly your audience and say, hey, we
blew it on that one wouldn't sixty minutes say yeah,
(23:17):
we totally blew it on the Hunter Biden thing. And again,
apology may be the wrong word. But if I was
Leslie Stall, and I think your argument, Bluck is going
to be, well, she's doing what her job is to do,
which is just to be media propaganda, so she has
no shame associated with it.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
He heggs out with me enough that he does know
my argument is going to be That is true, But
maybe I'm weird in this way.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
When I'm completely wrong on something, and sometimes I am,
I feel like I should sit down and say, hey,
I thought that X was going to happen. It turned
out that why happened, and I got it wrong. And look,
I'm not going to be perfect in predicting or analyzing everything.
All I'm telling you is I'm trying to do my best.
I wonder how this story ends up happening, Like, how
(24:01):
is it that sixty minutes, which now has new ownership,
decides that Marjorie Taylor Green, solely based on her feud
with Trump, is now worthy of a viewership.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
And let me also point this out.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Sixty Minutes always brags you probably see it too, Buck
about how many people watch their news show and how
influential they are. It's cause you're on after the NFL.
They could put me doing cartwheels in my pool on
sixty Minutes as the entire hour long special pool handstands
(24:35):
with Clay, and twenty five million people would watch it
because everybody was just watching the NFL right before, and
so enough people stay that the shoulder programming of the
NFL lifts the rising tide lifts all boats.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
This used to go back to do you know what
the most desired programming opportunity is? If you told me now, Clay,
you can pick any time to be on television at
any point in the year. Do you know what the
number one time slot is? Right after the Super Bowl?
So as soon as the Super Bowl is over, whatever
(25:13):
they put on, and once the postgame show is over
and everything else gets like fifty million viewers because people
are still at their Super Bowl parties, they're still drinking,
they're still hanging out. There's lots of frivolity, and they
happen to leave their televisions on. You know, sometimes we
benefit from this. When I did sports talker radio, we
(25:35):
had dominant ratings in LA and many of you listening
to us right now you found me in LA. Do
you know what we benefited from back in the day.
Why that partly occurred. Dodger games were aired on my
LA sports talker radio affiliate, So a lot of people
would be in their car driving around. They would be
going to bed listening to the Dodgers, and when they
(25:57):
woke up the next morning, they would still be on
the station and they're like Oh, here's this guy.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Claike Thravis. I kind of like him.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
So everybody can benefit in media based on the lead program.
I hope Sean Hannity is benefiting from us. We benefit
from Glenn Beck in this network. Jesse Kelly benefits from
Sean Hannity. It's a rising tide that lifts all boats.
But the fact that sixty Minutes is as cocky as
they are and that they would make the decision to
do this story, I think is illustrative that there are
(26:26):
still a lot of people deeply embedded inside of sixty
minutes that hate Trump and are going to try to
do whatever they can to attack him. And I think
Trump sees it. And again, I think this is underlining
the decision that's going to have to be made about
who ends up owning all of these assets from Warner
Brothers were all tied together. What happened to Marjorie Taylor
(26:52):
green Clay? You wanted to talk about it? What's going on?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I mean no, I mean, I do think the fact
that they gave her a platform is a bigger story
than what she individually has ended up focused on. I
think that this is this is my deep seated psychological analysis.
See if you buy into this buck. When Joe Biden
was in office, there was an existential threat to the country.
(27:21):
The borders are wide open, Inflation goes to nine percent,
Biden is talking about packing the Supreme Court, war in Ukraine,
war in Israel, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan. It was
all so bad that a lot of people came together
and Trump's election eliminated that existential fear of Biden and
(27:44):
his government running. And instead of saying, hey, okay, let's
all pull together, I think when that existential enemy is eliminated,
everybody decided that they were going to start fighting over
differences of opinion inside the big tent. And so the
result of Trump's victory was the existential threat of the
(28:05):
Biden administration is diminished. And so many different people in media,
with that existential threat that great evil eliminated, decided to
turn on each other. And I'm big and you're big
on this. In general, I don't presume that I'm going
to agree with everybody inside of what I would call
the tint of sanity. We're gonna have all sorts of disagreements,
(28:27):
but the tint of insanity is so insane. I don't
feel an obligation to have purity tests or fight inside
of my own tent when there's people out there telling me, Hey,
the best male athlete the best female athletes are men
like I want to keep the focus on saying versus insane,
(28:47):
not internal disputes over well, how should we handle Israel? Well,
what do you think we should do about Ukraine? Small
things have I think distracted a lot of people, and
they're missing the big enemy.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
This maybe smaller. I mean sometimes it's small differences. I mean,
obviously on the Ukraine war and on Israel, those can
be depending on these specifics of the subject matter, very
important topics. But yeah, I don't I don't have a person,
I don't have a viewpoint on these things that leads
me to want to get into the mud wrestling, So
(29:23):
I stay out. But I like the mud wrestling.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I just want to mud wrestle with the people that
actually have awful ideas, is what I'm seopl who have
subtle variations different than me.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, well, I don't want to mud wrestle on our team. Sorry,
the mud wrestling thing this is sounded kind of weird.
I don't want to get into the into the muck
of things with people who I agree with on ninety
percent or ninety five percent of things. So my view
of the Marjorie Taylor Green Trump thing is, what are
you doing, Marjorie? You know what, what's what's going on?
What's going on here? I don't. I don't understand, And
(29:55):
she's not surprised. I would assume that Trump takes the
view that he does. If you take a swing at Trump,
he just tends to go thermonuclear in response. That's just
the verbally, but that's just the way that that's the
way that he always has been. So I don't see
any of this as really that surprising. But you wanted
to talk about it, We talked about it.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I do think do you agree with me that if
Kamala had one, I think there's a zero percent chance
that by and large, fighting on the right would have happened,
because Kamala would have been such a disaster.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
There would have been a unity of opposition. I've been
saying this all along a lot of the right on
right stuff you see happening right now, where people are
going after other people who are conservative or who are
on the right, and you know, a lot of it
has to do with support for Israel stuff or whatever
it may be, or people on there's some conspiracy stuff
(30:48):
out there too, but that would not be happening if
we had a Democrat in office right now. Part of
what you see going on, Clay is we are actually
getting the right is. So it's so new to us
to have wins stacked up on wins by an administration
that I think people feel they have the time and
(31:09):
the luxury to eat their own a little bit. And
that's what's happening. You wouldn't normally have this kind of stuff.
We will all trust me every everything right now. A
lot of them, a lot of people probably aren't even
aware of it. You have to be very online. You
have to be very online, meaning you know, involved in
the digital space. So if you're a talk radio listener,
you're probably thinking, what are these guys even talking about
(31:31):
because there's not very much of it. Certainly we don't
do it. You know, the big talk radio shows aren't
really getting into this stuff. They're focused on our show,
Sean's show, Glenn's show. It's a it's a online thing,
an x you know, YouTube rumble. That's where you have
people that are that are going after each other, so
we try to we try to stay out of it
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Speaker 2 (33:24):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through uh the program here and uh, there are a
lot of different stories that we have been tracking so far.
I did want to mention this presidential power case. I
actually think it's flying under the radar a little bit
(33:46):
given the fact that, uh, there's a lot of different
stories to follow. This is huge, Buck, and basically what
it's going to be determined is and this will be
for president and it's long into the future. Because everybody says,
oh my goodness, President of the United States, this is
the Supreme Court bending.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
To his will. Trump's got three more years.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
The odds of even there being that many Supreme Court
cases that come up for Trump in front of the
Supreme Court in the next two years are increasingly less
substantial because it takes so long to get cases of
the Supreme Court to decide them.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
All these things.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Okay, the president, in my opinion, has to be able
to fire all of these people that are being propped
up inside of the governmental bureaucracy. And if we have
true separation of powers, what we have effectively allowed is
these agencies to sweep in between Congress and the president
(34:47):
and take up so much power that whether you like
Trump or don't like Trump, what is the purpose of
an executive and how is the executive authority circumscribed to
what extent at all by the rise of these agencies
and the ability to hire fire. It's a huge story,
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and it's going to exist long after Trump is gone.
Are we going to have a president who controls all
these aspects of his presidency or are we going to
have unelected bureaucrats that are allowed to serve for generations
that don't have to be at the beck and call
of the President of the United States.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Think about what happened even during the government shutdown there
were people who were fired from I know, from within
the intelligence agencies who were told thank you, but your
services are no longer needed. And then a judge came in,
a federal judge, and said, yes, you have to rehire
these people. They were terminated and now they have to
(35:48):
Could you can you imagine that job? Hey, Bill? Turns
out we kind of need you, Hey John, could you
actually show up and bring your stuff with you?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Crazy that when we had the government shut down, everybody
eventually ended up getting paid. A lot of people focused,
as we should, on air traffic controllers. There's also a
huge discussion I think they could be had about how
many of those guys in gals didn't have jobs and
it didn't even matter that they weren't there for a
(36:18):
month and the change because there was no impact to
them being gone. I'm willing to die on the hill
of we could fire seventy five percent of federal employees
and the overall effectiveness of government wouldn't budget all. I mean, heck,
I think you can see even inside of a for
profit business. Elon came in and fired what was it like,
seventy percent of all the Twitter employees, and the overall
(36:42):
success of Twitter didn't change at all. In fact, arguably
it got better. We come back top of the next hour.
We'll dive into that Supreme Court case and Australia banned
sixteen and unders on social media.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
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