August 5, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show centered almost entirely on the ongoing national debate over women’s sports, transgender athletes, and Clay Travis’s viral $10 million challenge proposing a game between the defending WNBA champion Las Vegas Aces and a top boys’ high school basketball team. The hosts discussed the widespread reaction to the challenge, which generated significant attention across sports media, political commentary, and social media platforms. Clay explained that the purpose of the challenge was to highlight what he views as the biological differences between male and female athletes and to illustrate why separate men’s and women’s sports leagues exist. The conversation examined athletic performance, competitive fairness, and the broader cultural and political implications of the gender debate in sports.
A major segment focused on media criticism of Travis’s proposal, including discussion of a Minneapolis television commentator who accused him of using the challenge to mock women’s athletics. Clay and Buck rejected that criticism, arguing that their position is intended to defend women’s sports rather than diminish them. The hosts contended that acknowledging biological differences is the foundation for maintaining separate athletic competitions and argued that allowing biological males to compete in women’s leagues undermines competitive fairness. Throughout the hour, they repeatedly returned to the idea that the controversy reflects a larger national disagreement about gender identity, public policy, and the role of sports in cultural debates.
The hosts also explored examples they believe demonstrate the competitive advantages of male athletes. They discussed stories involving boys’ teams competing against women’s teams, referenced historical exhibition and scrimmage results, and debated where the competitive line exists between elite female athletes and male athletes at various age levels. The conversation included discussion of a transgender basketball player competing in women’s professional basketball overseas, using that example to further debate the implications of transgender participation in women’s sports and whether leagues should adopt different eligibility standards.
Another key topic was the growing number of public figures speaking out on the women’s sports issue. Clay and Buck highlighted comments from sports media personalities and commentators who have criticized policies allowing biological males to compete in women’s athletics. They argued that public opinion is shifting and suggested that more athletes, coaches, media members, and fans are becoming willing to openly challenge prevailing views on gender identity in sports. The hosts framed the issue as one involving honesty, biological reality, and trust in public institutions, asserting that debates over sports frequently reflect larger political and cultural conflicts.
The hour also featured extensive listener interaction. Calls from parents, coaches, and youth sports participants focused on concerns about fairness, safety, scholarships, roster spots, and opportunities for female athletes. Several callers discussed the sacrifices made by young women pursuing athletic careers and expressed concern that biological males competing in women’s events could affect competitive outcomes. Clay and Buck examined the issue from the perspective of families involved in travel sports, high school athletics, collegiate recruiting, and elite competition, emphasizing how policy decisions can directly affect athletes and parents.
The discussion expanded beyond competition itself to broader questions about women’s spaces, locker rooms, privacy concerns, and gender ideology. The hosts argued that debates over sports are part of a larger cultural conversation about sex, gender identity, and how institutions define categories traditionally separated by biological sex. They suggested that policies related to athletics, education, and public accommodations are increasingly interconnected and predicted that these issues will remain politically significant moving forward.
Overall, Hour 2 was a deep dive into one of the most contentious issues in American culture and sports, combining media analysis, listener calls, viral social media controversy, commentary on the WNBA, discussions of transgender athlete participation, and broader debates over women’s rights, athletic fairness, youth sports, and the future of gender-related public policy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay and Buck our number two. We
are having some fun rolling through the program and we
appreciate all of you. So WNBA. WNBA has been in
a bit of a picklebuck since Sophie Cunningham said men
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shouldn't be able to play in women's sports. The entire
league has fallen apart. You've had coaches coming out and
saying that they think that men should be eligible to
play in the WNBA. The league itself can't manage to
figure out what a woman is. You now have and
we're gonna have some fun with this. If you haven't
seen it, you now have a french Man who is
(00:44):
identifying as a woman that is averaging twenty points and
twenty rebounds per game, and his clips have gone viral
as he has said that he would love to be
able to play in the WNBA. I saw all of
this absurd, and, as I often do, I think one
of the best things you can do when you hear
(01:05):
an absurd argument is actually accept the premise of the
argument and accelerate it. Let me explain what I mean
by that. We could have on this program a expert
in the difference between men and women, and he could
come on, or she could come on, and they could say, Hey,
men have way more muscle, Men are taller, men are stronger,
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men are faster, men process way more oxygen through their lungs,
and they're able as a result to jump higher. All
of these things we know to be true. And responding
to absurd arguments like men should be able to play
women's basketball with factual based arguments sometimes works, but a
(01:49):
lot of times it just gets lost. I'm pretty good
at recognizing absurdity and taking more absurdity on top of
it and getting a great deal of attention for it,
which is what I did when I said, Hey, I
think a boys' high school state champion would beat a
women's WNBA champion Las Vegas Aces, And in fact, I
(02:12):
will put ten million dollars on that game. The winner
gets ten million dollars. The WNBA has not responded to
that at all. The Las Vegas Aces have not responded
to that at all. It has since gone viral. Every
website basically that covers politics and sports has written about this.
(02:33):
The tweet itself, it got over ten million views. Lots
of buck boys' high school coaches have reached out to
me and said Clay. We would love to be in
this game because they believe that they would be able
to win, and they would. The reaction has continued to
pour in last night, someone tagged me in this and
(02:55):
I saw it and buck I could not even keep
a straight face as I was watching it. But uh,
there is a Minneapolis newscaster who was really upset with
the fact that I put my ten million dollar challenge.
This is kare K eleven TV in Minneapolis. I don't
(03:17):
know much about that station. Imagine you have not regular.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Or I don't think anyone who lives outside of Minneapolis
does to be fure.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
But maybe you're in Minneapolis and maybe this is your
preferred television news network. This woman named Jana Shortle Jana
Shortel decided that she needed to make a monologue, responding
to me and Carl.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Are you assuming gender here? Excuse me, sir, excuse me?
Are you assuming Jena could go either way?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Did she ever? Sannah would be? I think Janna would be.
Jana I believe is a woman. I believe you know
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I think you're just making an assumption about gender right now,
and I want you to be cautious about that.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I think you're kind of person to stereotype. But if
I were going to stereotype, I would say that I
think Jana may Well drive a Subaru. And here is
Jana just teeing off on me. This was her show
monologue as she finished the program Minneapolis, I got served
(04:24):
by Jana. Listen.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
The entire world of women's sports is facing the debate
within its own leagues of who should get to play
and who should not, And a voice that often shouts
loudly in that debate is a right leaning outlet owned
by Fox News called OutKick Sports, and today it's founder
took to a new stunt, one that really makes no
sense if OutKick is really concerned about caring about women
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and women's sports. So Klay Travis. He's the man behind OutKick.
He announced today he's offering ten million dollars so the
winner of a game of basketball between a high school
boys team of his choosing and the WNBA defending champions
the loss Vegas Aces. I thought to myself why, But
obviously the answer is because he thinks it is so
(05:06):
impossible for any group of women, let alone the best
in the game, that they could ever beat. Younger and
more inexperienced boys. It's a thinly veiled sexist joke, revealing
the actual truth of how he and his organization feel
about women's sports. It's not about caring about them. They
think women's sports are a joke.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Oh oh my gosh, I want to jump in. I
want to freak out it. Clay, Clay, she missed, she
I'm going with. She misses the entire point, which is
you and me and everyone who is with us on
this are.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Trying to defend women's sports by showing the absurdity of
what her side is proposing, which is that men do
not have We are going.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Back to the core reason. Like I said, we.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Do not have a men's and women's sat sit down, right.
There's a reason for that because our assumption is that
men and women can take the same standardized academic test
and let the results fall where they may, because men
do not have an ingrained advantage. Now, some of you
are going to say, well, like women do better and
verbal and men do better math.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, but it's we're.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Okay, okay, plenty of ladies get sixteen hundreds, Like, it
doesn't matter. In sports, it would be a massacre. It
would be it would be at the high school level,
boys and girls sports not separated, professional level Olympics, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Boys and girls not separated.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It is the disillusion or the dismembering, I should say,
or kind of both, the dismembering of women's athletics all
at once. And this person is mad at you for
pointing out that the Left wants to make a full
scale mockery of women's sports by allowing men to crush
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women in athletic competition. By saying, I am you, I
am the same as you. I'm sorry, but I just
but this is the thing, this is what you deal with.
I not that I have to rush in here to
defend your honor. But that was the dumbest takedown I've
seen in a long time, and I've seen a lot
of dumb takedowns.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So she said that this was a thinly veiled sexist joke.
I wrote down that quote as I was listening to it. No,
because if we said the WNBA should play against the NBA,
everyone would recognize the NBA would win. If we said
the WNBA champ should play against a male college champ,
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everyone would recognize the men would win. You have to
go down to the high school level in order to
even find anyone who will argue that women could be competitive. Now,
I think the boys. The reason I put ten million
dollars out. I think the boys would win by forty
or fifty points. And the illustration here is that not
even grown men can dominate women's athletics. Adolescent boys can.
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And so if you want me to go to eighth grade,
I think there are probably a lot of eighth grade
boys teams out there. As soon as the kids get
the mustache, testosterone starts to flow. There is a big
gap developing rapidly between men and women. So I think
in eighth.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Grade, I'm just I think an eighth grade team is
gonna have There are plenty of women in the WNBA
who are over six feet, some are over six five.
I think an eighth grade team would have an eye
coach coached against, because that goes up to eighteen year olds,
they would get smoked. But eighth fu eye coached against
some eighth grade boys, I think those kids have six
kids already. I mean, I'm telling you some of these
(08:31):
fourteen fifteen year old boys have full beards. Now, I
could find eighth grade basketball teams that would beat the WNBA.
The point here is not that this is the meaning
to women's sports. It's that the only reason women's sports
exist is because men don't play them, because otherwise you
would have a unisex league and no women would be
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able to play.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
So when I get attacked like this. By the way,
there's a couple of other funny clips. Did you see
the clip of the French French woman? Producer Ali, I'm
gonna give you we gotta be here the Frenchman. It's
a frenchman. It's a French dude. Okay, Buck, that is
a bad bitch. If I've ever seen one on the
basketball court. You need to see this dude who is
(09:14):
six foot three. He's averaging twenty points and twenty rebounds
a game in the French pro leagues. Producer Ali, I'm
gonna give you the most difficult booking challenge of your life.
I'm sure this dude speaks French. Can we get the
French women's basketball All Star on out kick? Talk to
him by a DM Buck and he said that he
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would love to play in the WNBA. So he is
dominating the French women's basketball league. It would be transphobic
of the WNBA not to let this man who identifies
as a woman play in their league, and Buck he
would wreck them. If you haven't seen these clips, we'll
share them at clayanbuck dot com. You can go to
(09:56):
Klay Travis I share a couple of them. I couldn't
stop laughing. Buck. He had an and one for those
of you who don't know. And one is when you
get hit as you're potentially scoring a basket and you
get a free throw plus the basket, so it's a
three point play. He had an and one play where
like he pumped his fist celebrate. I must have watched
(10:17):
it twenty times because I could not stop laughing over him.
This dude, I mean, this is a dude like he's
pre ripped. This is just a dude just dominating. He's
got a ponytail, just dominating these random French chicks. He's
averaging twenty points and twenty rebounds a game, and he's
probably a decent pickup basketball player at your average why right,
(10:41):
I mean, you watch this guy. He's not playing above
the rim, he's not leaping out of the gym. He
is a decent male athlete in that he's not obese,
and he can run up and down the court and
he is just reckon these chicks.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And I think it's worth noting that you by by
focusing in on this and giving Julie Tatar tatart his
due on this issue, the w n B A should
be excited about this prospect because their claim is that
what you they're their official or the uh you know,
(11:18):
the consensus view of the WNBA is that what you're doing,
what you're suggesting, is somehow disrespectful. Okay, if it's disrespectful,
then show the respect for Julie Tatar of playing in
the w NBA.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yes, and see what people.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Really think of this, and see how they feel when
the inevitable happens.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Sometimes you have to follow people down the woke rabbit
hole and follow the logic of their argument and say, okay,
let's do it. And basically that's what I've done. By
the way, we got a couple of funny ones here
is Alex Marlow.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Why don't you hold it until I want everyone everyone here?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Why don't we give them a little cheas here you've
got a let's go. We've got some more funny ones.
By the way, I also point this out Stephen A.
Smith is in making these arguments. More and more people
are coming out and just saying we can't allow this
to continue. Right, reasonable rational guys, I think black, white, Asian, Hispanic,
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everybody who's a dude out here is just like this
is absolutely crazy. And you might say, Okay, where does
this matter? Again? What I would continue to reiterate is
as soon as you know that a politician will lie
to you, as soon as you know that they are
lying to you, you cannot trust them. You might even
agree with some of the things that they say otherwise,
but you cannot trust them. This is table stakes for me.
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Speaker 2 (13:41):
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Speaker 1 (13:46):
Clay and fuckinging dear waves.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
All right, Clay, I said that we would have some
more people on this issue talking smacked about you. So
who was next up in your list? We had to
have al Alex. Oh No, sorry, this isn't talking smack.
This is high fiving you. We already had the smack talk.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, we played the smack talk from the guy. The
woman looks a little bit like Egon Spangler and no
offense to both harsh and true Egon Spangler rested peace.
I think he's passed there. Yes, these are positive takes.
I haven't heard these. Alex Marlow cut to fire away.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Clay Travis of The clam Buck Show and out Kick
had a cool offer where he wants to pay NBA
w NBA Champions ten million dollars and they can beat
a boys high school basketball team. And if I was
a WNBA, I would take this up because I think
they probably could actually. So he wants to pick the team,
and he says that it'll be whatever proceeds go to charity.
(14:47):
Get the Las Vegas Aces against a boys high school
state title team of my choice. The Aces win, I'll
give them ten million dollars. This is genius.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
It is genius. But he said he thought the women
would win. That seems like a bad take on right here.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Alex. Alex is in astute, right thinking fellow. I think
he's I think he's calling the wrong winner of the game.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
There. I'm by a mile. I'm surprised he's signing up
with Egon Spangler's take, Matt Walsh, not surprisingly, he's all
in cut three.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
You'll see more inspiring athletic performances at any random bowling
alley on a Tuesday night than at the w NBA
All Star Game. It's certainly clear that any decent boys
high school basketball team in the country could destroy the
best WNBA team obviously, which is why Klay Travis just
made this announcement putting his money where his mouth is. Quote,
I'm opping my offer ten million dollars for a head
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to head basketball game between the defending WNBA champion Las
Vegas Aces and a boys high school state title team
of my choice. If the Aces beat my team, I
will give them ten million dollars. Now, there is precedent
for this kind of exhibition match, and it ended precisely
how you would expect. As we mentioned before, a few
years ago, the US women's national team, the World Cup
champions I'm lost by score of five to two to
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a youth team of fifteen and fourteen year old boys
from Dallas in a scrimmage match. It wasn't even close.
The teenagers outplayed the women throughout the match. That's how
you get to a five to two score, which counts
as a blowout in soccer.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
A couple of messages here for me, Buck, one of
my friends was a star football player at Vanderbilt, and
he's listening and he just texted. When I was at Vandy,
my roommate was dating the point guard of the women's
basketball team. They were preseason ranked in the top ten.
We started talking trash. They challenged us to a game
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with referees. The whole bit. One of our buddies was
six foot seven. We put him on the baseline guarding
the pass in after a basket. The girls couldn't get
the ball in. They would just throw it up. We
would intercept it, dunk and roll the ball back under
the baseline. Repeat. In rents. We were not basketball players,
just good athletes. I don't think they got the past
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half court. They quit at halftime. Top ten women's college
basketball team, just playing against a bunch of dudes who
were on the Vanderbilt football team with referees. The whole
bit not on video. But I know this guy well,
I hadn't heard this story before, but he's listing and
he just texted me that.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
This would be I'll tell you this, having having scrimmaged
with women at the on the Amherst College, who is
a D three school, very small school. But the women
are like they're they're better. They would beat you or
me easily even in our Prime and Horse for example,
which is just a straight shooting competition. They can shoot well,
but when you add the physicality of a strength and
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speed into a full scale basketball game. It gets it
gets ugly for them really fast. Just you know, it
gets ugly for them trying to play defense, It gets
ugly for them on rebounds.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It just doesn't work. So I'm just.
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Speaker 1 (18:54):
Welcome back in Buck. A lot of emails. I just
read a text message from a Vanderbilt football play are
talking about playing against the Vanderbilt basketball team when the girls,
who were top ten, and the fact that they couldn't
even get the ball to half court and stopped. This
is from a former NBA employee, and here's what he writes.
I worked for an NBA team that happened to also
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have a WNBA team. This is not uncommon. Now. I
signed a non disclosure agreement when I left, so I
want to share this anonymously. The women's team set out
a message to the organization. They wanted some men to
scrimmage the women. A group of about ten of us
signed up, some former high school athletes, some just casual athletes,
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mostly weekend warrior types. The men beat the women so
bad this is a WNBA team that the coach had
to call the game off. They just used the guys
for drills. I appreciate how you're bringing this ridiculous thought
of men and women competing together in sports to the public,
but I do think a lot of guys out there
have done this where you scrimmage against a top college.
(19:59):
This this is WNBA team competing against just random guys,
and the random guys put together started to crush them.
This is, by the way, Stephen A. Smith, the public
conversation has shifted in a major way because the absurdity
of men and women's sports is finally being acknowledged by everyone.
Cut for Steven A. Smith, just tease off on the idea.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
This is not about being anti anything. This is about
being pro girls, pro females, pro women, pro ladies. You
can't be a male born a male, transition into female
and think that you should have the right to compete
with women. Not in basketball, not in football, not in boxing,
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not in the UFC, hell not even in tennis. It's
an aberration when you find somebody like a Serena Williams
serving one hundred and twenty miles twenty five miles an hour,
that's ordinary for Yokovic.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
We gotta stop this, We.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
Gotta stop acting like somebody that's speaking up on behalf
of girls, like a Sophie Cunningham, like a Raleigh Gaines
or Storages of the Earth. You are shell Reeve, the
head coach of the Minnesota Lynx. That is an irresponsible
thing to do. You are a coach for a female
basketball team, do you not think that the females are
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being screwed over if they have to compete against an
individual born as a male.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Were talking about so a lot of screaming there, but
it is the conversation that is now into the public
zeit guest in a substantial way. He's correct.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I mean, he's he's obviously correct, which I think is
one of the reasons why, Well, he maybe is forceful
on a lot of points, you know, like the next
big contract extension for a QB or whatever, but he's
very forceful on this because he is. He is absolutely
spot on, and it's it's interesting. We're in a time
where to say the obvious and true thing is now
a point of bravery for sports media. It's rare in
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sports media to see this on this issue, So you know,
credit where it's due. I would note, just as an aside,
Serena Williams, who could serve pretty close to one hundred
and thirty miles an hour, which is faster than the
one hundred and five. Although I would claim these days,
I could probably get it up to one hundred and
ten that I could serve. Nonetheless, Clay she would get
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in her prime absolutely dismantled by any of the top
five hundred, five hundred, which is basically the US Pro
Tour in its totality, or I'm sorry, the Global Men's
Tour in its totality. You don't really get. People don't
really focus on rankings beyond that, they don't know the players.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
They never see them.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
And I would argue, I think probably most D one
tennis males from a substantial tennis program, I would say
absolutely absolutely smoke her in her prime, and she was
the most dominant female tennis player of all time. And
she would not be able to beat a DA And
that's tennis, which is far less of a con tax
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sport then basketball or you know, some of these other
things we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
So, hey Man, we got a bunch of calls. By
the way, people have been waiting a bit Dale in
Johnson City, Texas. Fire away Dale. What you got for us?
Speaker 8 (23:15):
Hey Man, book play. Thank you all for doing what
you're doing for female sports. I've been coaching select softball
for a really long time and this needs to be
something that is in the forefront, and it needs to
stay there until it goes away, until we squash it
and make it go away. I've read both of your books,
(23:40):
I've got both of your audio books. I just I
can't thank you all for pushing this as much as
it needs to be pushed, because from coaching girls from
the age of six all the way up till they
get to middle school, till they get to high school,
this is just this is ridiculous and we've got to
(24:02):
stop it.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Totally agree with you. First of all, thank you so
much for buying our books, respectively, which are Balls that's
Clay's book, you guys know that. And Manufacturing Delusion How
the Left use his brainwashing, indctrin nation and propaganda against you.
That is my book, so you know we're coming. But
we both deal with the trans issue. I have a
chapter on that that deals with the trans issue from
a psychological manipulation point of view. Obviously Clay delves into
(24:25):
that in Balls in detail. And Clay I would just
also add to what our esteemed caller just just raise
to our attention. Imagine you're a dad, yeah, in high school,
and you're watching and maybe maybe you've taken your girl out.
You know, I'm not a girl dad yet. Maybe one day,
(24:46):
you know, we're hoping to expand our family, but not
a girl dad. It would be great to be one.
You're a boy dad three times over, but not a
girl dad. But so we're going to put ourselves in
the in the uh, you know, girl dad shoes for
a second, just because having a kid and how much
you care about that child's welfare and everything else. I
can just only imagine for some of the dads listening,
who I know, we have dads listening who were taking
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their girl to travel practice for soccer or basketball or whatever,
and so proud of all the progress she's made. And
and you know, maybe she made state select and maybe
she got recruited by an NC double A program somewhere
or whatever. And I can just imagine being that dad
on the sidelines when your daughter is let's say, a
(25:30):
senior who's already gotten her you know, given her letter
of intent and all that, and she's going to go
play basketball at you know, some program, some great NCUBLEA program.
She's super excited, and some six foot five, two hundred
and twenty pound guy with long hair is shoving her
around in the paint and you know, using the elbows
a little too much.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I think as a dad, not.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Only would you be outraged and want to throw up,
I feel like you'd want to physically intervene and be like,
you can't do that to my girl. I'm just being
honest with you. I just I think that your ensive
instinct as a father would kick in and you're like,
this is a man who is using his physical strength
against my girl on the you know, in a sport.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Now.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I know it's not assaulting her, but you know it's
I think that the protective instinct would kick.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
In there for any of the dads.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I don't have any of you want to weigh on that, guys,
but I can assume, as I mean, dad, i'd be furious.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I think about that. Not only that, Buck, I mean,
think about what happened with Leah Thomas. He changed in
the female locker room. Yeah, in addition to winning an
n C DOUBLEA title, think about how much you protect
women's locker rooms, women's spaces. They let a dude with
male genitalia walk in and put on a women's bathing
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suit and win an in C double A title and
get dressed with all the girls in the locker room.
I mean, this is crazy town stuff. And I want
to give a shout out to parents out there everywhere,
including my wife. Like my fifteen year old this summer,
buck has had six am lifts every morning just about
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during during the summer, so he's had to be at
the gym at six am. My wife has gotten up
at five thirty am. She has driven him to the
lift so that he can be there with his team
football team doing lifts at six am in the morning.
How many moms, dads, grandma's, grandpas, brothers and sisters have
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gotten their daughters, the girls in their families to early
morning swim practice at five point thirty in the morning,
early morning soccer practice, early morning basketball practice, working as
hard as they possibly can to be e lite at
their sport. And then some dude parachutes in and wins
a championship. It's immoral right like leave aside the competitive
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aspects of this. It is in you want to talk
about empathy and kindness, Why don't you think about the
girls who put every ounce of their self, you know,
child engine and the amount of effort and energy that
it takes to be good at anything on a high level.
People come after Riley Gain sometimes now they're like, you
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only came in fifth fifth in the country at swimming,
or is anybody out there listening to us hardly fifth
best at anything in the world. Do you know how
hard it is to be fifth best at anything?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And they're like, oh, think about the girl Clay who
got third in that Yeah, I'm sorry, who got fourth
rather in that race and would have been a bronze
would have been a bronze medal were it not for
the guy in the all the medal stand all the
way down because this guy ends up winning first place
and wins an NCAA title. And again, I just think
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it's a profoundly huge issue. And the argument they make
is not even that it's not unfair. Now at this
point they try to make that, but they largely sidestep it.
It's just it doesn't happen that often. Why do you care?
Speaker 9 (28:55):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh yeah, that's the argument they go to now, which
is tactical retreat. They're not not conceding anything, they're not
being honest about anything. It's essentially it's almost like in
the public square pleading the fifth. I'm just not gonna
let's not talk about this right now, because they don't
have with pitch things and why would you even talk
about this. Yeah, yeah, there's there's a lot of there's
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a lot of that going on. So look, they keep
they meaning the Democrats, I don't mean they as in
like plural for an individual. They have decided that this
is something that is extremely important to the Democrat party
because this is key Clay. People are willing to humiliate
themselves publicly over this. Yes, it's very hard to get
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people to be willing to humiliate themselves over politics unless
it is an essential element of belonging to the political tribe, right,
unless it is your show of it's it's you know,
it'd be like wearing the horse hair shir or the
not horse hair whatever. It's like a hair shirt back
in the day, you know, your obeessence to the greater faith.
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This is like a religious act for them, and that's
why they're willing to look like such jackasses.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
And also it's a foundational element of the entire identity
politics worldview that they have created. If if you pull
that support structure away of men are not actually women,
then the entire trans agenda collapses. So they can't just
have guys who want to wear dresses. We had this
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when we were growing up, buck They were called drag queens,
and everybody knew they weren't women, but they would parade
around and they would dress up in dresses. And you know,
Rue Paul, I think was the most famous drag queen.
They never claimed to be women. They were just men
who dressed up like women. It made them happier. Not
my thing, but if that's your thing, okay. They didn't
require that we lie and say something that we knew
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to be untrue. And this is just a logical extension
of left wing thought. You pointed it out. In the contextuff,
you're starting to hear a little bit of oh, well,
you should just be willing to date these people because
they're actually women. If you're straight, that's a bridge too
far right now. Right now, they're trying to get you
on the bridge by saying these are women. They should
be able to play basketball, just like every other woman.
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And then, to your point, it eventually leads into why
do you not want to sleep with these people? You're transphobic? No,
I just like girls, right, and again the thing with
collapses all around you're getting to the underpinning the foundational
element of all of this.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Whether we're talking about sports or locker rooms or a
pronoun usage or anything, the foundational element of all of
this is a lie. And the lie is that trans
women are women, which is, by the way, not only
a lie. It should be offensive to women, yes, meaning
it should it should the appropriation dare I say of
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femaleness for someone's delusion? You know, because you grow your
hair out and have nails, now you're a woman. Really,
this is I can tell you what no man thinks
that a woman who takes testosterone and like has a
weird voice and you know, cuts off her boobs is
a man, not a single one.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
None of us are. Also, you're a throw now. We
would never let them speak for us. And this is
where my wife is really outspoken on what you're saying.
Part of being a woman is recognizing that you might
get raped when you go to get in a car
late at night when you're sixteen years old walking home,
like there is a unique aspect of growing up as
a woman. To just give that away to a man
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who jumps in at the age of twenty four and
suddenly like I'm a woman, hear me, roar, I'm gonna
put on a dress and high heels. Oh we women
we have like to me, it's insulting its woman face.
First of all, because you're just play acting. They co
cosplay so much more aggressive. Why do they act like
fourteen year old girls in their you know, bedroom, like
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kicking their leaf?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Was the Dylan Mulvany thing too, which is you're actually
you're a man pretending to be like a fourteen year
old girl.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Which this is the whole thing is very weird. It's
very very dark.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
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You worry about boys showing up?
Speaker 9 (36:10):
Well, yeah, I don't so much worry about it. I
just I'm set up with it. I'm tired of being
told to keep quiet. And I mean, I've got a
D one potential in nine times out of ten, whether
I'm in you know, Richmond, Williamsburg or Charlotte. On any
given weekend, I'm scanning the sidelines to see if my daughter,
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who's a goalie, is going to get hit by some dude.
And I'm tired of being told to be quiet about it.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Friend, congrats to have a really successful daughter, But that's crazy.
You got guys having to worry about whether there's dudes
trying to take out their daughters in sports. It's madness.
Welcome back in Clay and Buck our number two. We
are having some fun rolling through the program and we
appreciate all of you. So WNBA. WNBA has been in
a bit of a picklebuck since Sophie Cunningham said men
(00:21):
shouldn't be able to play in women's sports. The entire
league has fallen apart. You've had coaches coming out and
saying that they think that men should be eligible to
play in the WNBA. The league itself can't manage to
figure out what a woman is. You now have and
we're gonna have some fun with this. If you haven't
seen it, you now have a french Man who is
(00:44):
identifying as a woman that is averaging twenty points and
twenty rebounds per game, and his clips have gone viral
as he has said that he would love to be
able to play in the WNBA. I saw all of
this absurd, and, as I often do, I think one
of the best things you can do when you hear
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an absurd argument is actually accept the premise of the
argument and accelerate it. Let me explain what I mean
by that. We could have on this program a expert
in the difference between men and women, and he could
come on, or she could come on, and they could say, Hey,
men have way more muscle, Men are taller, men are stronger,
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men are faster, men process way more oxygen through their lungs,
and they're able as a result to jump higher. All
of these things we know to be true. And responding
to absurd arguments like men should be able to play
women's basketball with factual based arguments sometimes works, but a
(01:49):
lot of times it just gets lost. I'm pretty good
at recognizing absurdity and taking more absurdity on top of
it and getting a great deal of attention for it,
which is what I did when I said, Hey, I
think a boys' high school state champion would beat a
women's WNBA champion Las Vegas Aces, And in fact, I
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will put ten million dollars on that game. The winner
gets ten million dollars. The WNBA has not responded to
that at all. The Las Vegas Aces have not responded
to that at all. It has since gone viral. Every
website basically that covers politics and sports has written about this.
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The tweet itself, it got over ten million views. Lots
of buck boys' high school coaches have reached out to
me and said Clay. We would love to be in
this game because they believe that they would be able
to win, and they would. The reaction has continued to
pour in last night, someone tagged me in this and
(02:55):
I saw it and buck I could not even keep
a straight face as I was watching it. But uh,
there is a Minneapolis newscaster who was really upset with
the fact that I put my ten million dollar challenge.
This is kare K eleven TV in Minneapolis. I don't
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know much about that station. Imagine you have not regular.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Or I don't think anyone who lives outside of Minneapolis
does to be fure.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
But maybe you're in Minneapolis and maybe this is your
preferred television news network. This woman named Jana Shortle Jana
Shortel decided that she needed to make a monologue, responding
to me and Carl.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Are you assuming gender here? Excuse me, sir, excuse me?
Are you assuming Jena could go either way?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Did she ever? Sannah would be? I think Janna would be.
Jana I believe is a woman. I believe you know
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I think you're just making an assumption about gender right now,
and I want you to be cautious about that.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I think you're kind of person to stereotype. But if
I were going to stereotype, I would say that I
think Jana may Well drive a Subaru. And here is
Jana just teeing off on me. This was her show
monologue as she finished the program Minneapolis, I got served
(04:24):
by Jana. Listen.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
The entire world of women's sports is facing the debate
within its own leagues of who should get to play
and who should not, And a voice that often shouts
loudly in that debate is a right leaning outlet owned
by Fox News called OutKick Sports, and today it's founder
took to a new stunt, one that really makes no
sense if OutKick is really concerned about caring about women
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and women's sports. So Klay Travis. He's the man behind OutKick.
He announced today he's offering ten million dollars so the
winner of a game of basketball between a high school
boys team of his choosing and the WNBA defending champions
the loss Vegas Aces. I thought to myself why, But
obviously the answer is because he thinks it is so
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impossible for any group of women, let alone the best
in the game, that they could ever beat. Younger and
more inexperienced boys. It's a thinly veiled sexist joke, revealing
the actual truth of how he and his organization feel
about women's sports. It's not about caring about them. They
think women's sports are a joke.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Oh oh my gosh, I want to jump in. I
want to freak out it. Clay, Clay, she missed, she
I'm going with. She misses the entire point, which is
you and me and everyone who is with us on
this are.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Trying to defend women's sports by showing the absurdity of
what her side is proposing, which is that men do
not have We are going.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Back to the core reason. Like I said, we.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Do not have a men's and women's sat sit down, right.
There's a reason for that because our assumption is that
men and women can take the same standardized academic test
and let the results fall where they may, because men
do not have an ingrained advantage. Now, some of you
are going to say, well, like women do better and
verbal and men do better math.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, but it's we're.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Okay, okay, plenty of ladies get sixteen hundreds, Like, it
doesn't matter. In sports, it would be a massacre. It
would be it would be at the high school level,
boys and girls sports not separated, professional level Olympics, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Boys and girls not separated.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It is the disillusion or the dismembering, I should say,
or kind of both, the dismembering of women's athletics all
at once. And this person is mad at you for
pointing out that the Left wants to make a full
scale mockery of women's sports by allowing men to crush
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women in athletic competition. By saying, I am you, I
am the same as you. I'm sorry, but I just
but this is the thing, this is what you deal with.
I not that I have to rush in here to
defend your honor. But that was the dumbest takedown I've
seen in a long time, and I've seen a lot
of dumb takedowns.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So she said that this was a thinly veiled sexist joke.
I wrote down that quote as I was listening to it. No,
because if we said the WNBA should play against the NBA,
everyone would recognize the NBA would win. If we said
the WNBA champ should play against a male college champ,
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everyone would recognize the men would win. You have to
go down to the high school level in order to
even find anyone who will argue that women could be competitive. Now,
I think the boys. The reason I put ten million
dollars out. I think the boys would win by forty
or fifty points. And the illustration here is that not
even grown men can dominate women's athletics. Adolescent boys can.
(07:55):
And so if you want me to go to eighth grade,
I think there are probably a lot of eighth grade
boys teams out there. As soon as the kids get
the mustache, testosterone starts to flow. There is a big
gap developing rapidly between men and women. So I think
in eighth.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Grade, I'm just I think an eighth grade team is
gonna have There are plenty of women in the WNBA
who are over six feet, some are over six five.
I think an eighth grade team would have an eye
coach coached against, because that goes up to eighteen year olds,
they would get smoked. But eighth fu eye coached against
some eighth grade boys, I think those kids have six
kids already. I mean, I'm telling you some of these
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fourteen fifteen year old boys have full beards. Now, I
could find eighth grade basketball teams that would beat the WNBA.
The point here is not that this is the meaning
to women's sports. It's that the only reason women's sports
exist is because men don't play them, because otherwise you
would have a unisex league and no women would be
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able to play.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
So when I get attacked like this. By the way,
there's a couple of other funny clips. Did you see
the clip of the French French woman? Producer Ali, I'm
gonna give you we gotta be here the Frenchman. It's
a frenchman. It's a French dude. Okay, Buck, that is
a bad bitch. If I've ever seen one on the
basketball court. You need to see this dude who is
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six foot three. He's averaging twenty points and twenty rebounds
a game in the French pro leagues. Producer Ali, I'm
gonna give you the most difficult booking challenge of your life.
I'm sure this dude speaks French. Can we get the
French women's basketball All Star on out kick? Talk to
him by a DM Buck and he said that he
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would love to play in the WNBA. So he is
dominating the French women's basketball league. It would be transphobic
of the WNBA not to let this man who identifies
as a woman play in their league, and Buck he
would wreck them. If you haven't seen these clips, we'll
share them at clayanbuck dot com. You can go to
(09:56):
Klay Travis I share a couple of them. I couldn't
stop laughing. Buck. He had an and one for those
of you who don't know. And one is when you
get hit as you're potentially scoring a basket and you
get a free throw plus the basket, so it's a
three point play. He had an and one play where
like he pumped his fist celebrate. I must have watched
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it twenty times because I could not stop laughing over him.
This dude, I mean, this is a dude like he's
pre ripped. This is just a dude just dominating. He's
got a ponytail, just dominating these random French chicks. He's
averaging twenty points and twenty rebounds a game, and he's
probably a decent pickup basketball player at your average why right,
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I mean, you watch this guy. He's not playing above
the rim, he's not leaping out of the gym. He
is a decent male athlete in that he's not obese,
and he can run up and down the court and
he is just reckon these chicks.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And I think it's worth noting that you by by
focusing in on this and giving Julie Tatar tatart his
due on this issue, the w n B A should
be excited about this prospect because their claim is that
what you they're their official or the uh you know,
(11:18):
the consensus view of the WNBA is that what you're doing,
what you're suggesting, is somehow disrespectful. Okay, if it's disrespectful,
then show the respect for Julie Tatar of playing in
the w NBA.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yes, and see what people.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Really think of this, and see how they feel when
the inevitable happens.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Sometimes you have to follow people down the woke rabbit
hole and follow the logic of their argument and say, okay,
let's do it. And basically that's what I've done. By
the way, we got a couple of funny ones here
is Alex Marlow.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Why don't you hold it until I want everyone everyone here?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Why don't we give them a little cheas here you've
got a let's go. We've got some more funny ones.
By the way, I also point this out Stephen A.
Smith is in making these arguments. More and more people
are coming out and just saying we can't allow this
to continue. Right, reasonable rational guys, I think black, white, Asian, Hispanic,
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everybody who's a dude out here is just like this
is absolutely crazy. And you might say, Okay, where does
this matter? Again? What I would continue to reiterate is
as soon as you know that a politician will lie
to you, as soon as you know that they are
lying to you, you cannot trust them. You might even
agree with some of the things that they say otherwise,
but you cannot trust them. This is table stakes for me.
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Clay and fuckinging dear waves.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
All right, Clay, I said that we would have some
more people on this issue talking smacked about you. So
who was next up in your list? We had to
have al Alex. Oh No, sorry, this isn't talking smack.
This is high fiving you. We already had the smack talk.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, we played the smack talk from the guy. The
woman looks a little bit like Egon Spangler and no
offense to both harsh and true Egon Spangler rested peace.
I think he's passed there. Yes, these are positive takes.
I haven't heard these. Alex Marlow cut to fire away.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Clay Travis of The clam Buck Show and out Kick
had a cool offer where he wants to pay NBA
w NBA Champions ten million dollars and they can beat
a boys high school basketball team. And if I was
a WNBA, I would take this up because I think
they probably could actually. So he wants to pick the team,
and he says that it'll be whatever proceeds go to charity.
(14:47):
Get the Las Vegas Aces against a boys high school
state title team of my choice. The Aces win, I'll
give them ten million dollars. This is genius.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
It is genius. But he said he thought the women
would win. That seems like a bad take on right here.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Alex. Alex is in astute, right thinking fellow. I think
he's I think he's calling the wrong winner of the game.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
There. I'm by a mile. I'm surprised he's signing up
with Egon Spangler's take, Matt Walsh, not surprisingly, he's all
in cut three.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
You'll see more inspiring athletic performances at any random bowling
alley on a Tuesday night than at the w NBA
All Star Game. It's certainly clear that any decent boys
high school basketball team in the country could destroy the
best WNBA team obviously, which is why Klay Travis just
made this announcement putting his money where his mouth is. Quote,
I'm opping my offer ten million dollars for a head
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to head basketball game between the defending WNBA champion Las
Vegas Aces and a boys high school state title team
of my choice. If the Aces beat my team, I
will give them ten million dollars. Now, there is precedent
for this kind of exhibition match, and it ended precisely
how you would expect. As we mentioned before, a few
years ago, the US women's national team, the World Cup
champions I'm lost by score of five to two to
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a youth team of fifteen and fourteen year old boys
from Dallas in a scrimmage match. It wasn't even close.
The teenagers outplayed the women throughout the match. That's how
you get to a five to two score, which counts
as a blowout in soccer.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
A couple of messages here for me, Buck, one of
my friends was a star football player at Vanderbilt, and
he's listening and he just texted. When I was at Vandy,
my roommate was dating the point guard of the women's
basketball team. They were preseason ranked in the top ten.
We started talking trash. They challenged us to a game
(16:38):
with referees. The whole bit. One of our buddies was
six foot seven. We put him on the baseline guarding
the pass in after a basket. The girls couldn't get
the ball in. They would just throw it up. We
would intercept it, dunk and roll the ball back under
the baseline. Repeat. In rents. We were not basketball players,
just good athletes. I don't think they got the past
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half court. They quit at halftime. Top ten women's college
basketball team, just playing against a bunch of dudes who
were on the Vanderbilt football team with referees. The whole
bit not on video. But I know this guy well,
I hadn't heard this story before, but he's listing and
he just texted me that.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
This would be I'll tell you this, having having scrimmaged
with women at the on the Amherst College, who is
a D three school, very small school. But the women
are like they're they're better. They would beat you or
me easily even in our Prime and Horse for example,
which is just a straight shooting competition. They can shoot well,
but when you add the physicality of a strength and
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speed into a full scale basketball game. It gets it
gets ugly for them really fast. Just you know, it
gets ugly for them trying to play defense, It gets
ugly for them on rebounds.
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Speaker 1 (18:54):
Welcome back in Buck. A lot of emails. I just
read a text message from a Vanderbilt football play are
talking about playing against the Vanderbilt basketball team when the girls,
who were top ten, and the fact that they couldn't
even get the ball to half court and stopped. This
is from a former NBA employee, and here's what he writes.
I worked for an NBA team that happened to also
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have a WNBA team. This is not uncommon. Now. I
signed a non disclosure agreement when I left, so I
want to share this anonymously. The women's team set out
a message to the organization. They wanted some men to
scrimmage the women. A group of about ten of us
signed up, some former high school athletes, some just casual athletes,
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mostly weekend warrior types. The men beat the women so
bad this is a WNBA team that the coach had
to call the game off. They just used the guys
for drills. I appreciate how you're bringing this ridiculous thought
of men and women competing together in sports to the public,
but I do think a lot of guys out there
have done this where you scrimmage against a top college.
(19:59):
This this is WNBA team competing against just random guys,
and the random guys put together started to crush them.
This is, by the way, Stephen A. Smith, the public
conversation has shifted in a major way because the absurdity
of men and women's sports is finally being acknowledged by everyone.
Cut for Steven A. Smith, just tease off on the idea.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
This is not about being anti anything. This is about
being pro girls, pro females, pro women, pro ladies. You
can't be a male born a male, transition into female
and think that you should have the right to compete
with women. Not in basketball, not in football, not in boxing,
(20:44):
not in the UFC, hell not even in tennis. It's
an aberration when you find somebody like a Serena Williams
serving one hundred and twenty miles twenty five miles an hour,
that's ordinary for Yokovic.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
We gotta stop this, We.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
Gotta stop acting like somebody that's speaking up on behalf
of girls, like a Sophie Cunningham, like a Raleigh Gaines
or Storages of the Earth. You are shell Reeve, the
head coach of the Minnesota Lynx. That is an irresponsible
thing to do. You are a coach for a female
basketball team, do you not think that the females are
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being screwed over if they have to compete against an
individual born as a male.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Were talking about so a lot of screaming there, but
it is the conversation that is now into the public
zeit guest in a substantial way. He's correct.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I mean, he's he's obviously correct, which I think is
one of the reasons why, Well, he maybe is forceful
on a lot of points, you know, like the next
big contract extension for a QB or whatever, but he's
very forceful on this because he is. He is absolutely
spot on, and it's it's interesting. We're in a time
where to say the obvious and true thing is now
a point of bravery for sports media. It's rare in
(22:00):
sports media to see this on this issue, So you know,
credit where it's due. I would note, just as an aside,
Serena Williams, who could serve pretty close to one hundred
and thirty miles an hour, which is faster than the
one hundred and five. Although I would claim these days,
I could probably get it up to one hundred and
ten that I could serve. Nonetheless, Clay she would get
(22:20):
in her prime absolutely dismantled by any of the top
five hundred, five hundred, which is basically the US Pro
Tour in its totality, or I'm sorry, the Global Men's
Tour in its totality. You don't really get. People don't
really focus on rankings beyond that, they don't know the players.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
They never see them.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
And I would argue, I think probably most D one
tennis males from a substantial tennis program, I would say
absolutely absolutely smoke her in her prime, and she was
the most dominant female tennis player of all time. And
she would not be able to beat a DA And
that's tennis, which is far less of a con tax
(23:00):
sport then basketball or you know, some of these other
things we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
So, hey Man, we got a bunch of calls. By
the way, people have been waiting a bit Dale in
Johnson City, Texas. Fire away Dale. What you got for us?
Speaker 8 (23:15):
Hey Man, book play. Thank you all for doing what
you're doing for female sports. I've been coaching select softball
for a really long time and this needs to be
something that is in the forefront, and it needs to
stay there until it goes away, until we squash it
and make it go away. I've read both of your books,
(23:40):
I've got both of your audio books. I just I
can't thank you all for pushing this as much as
it needs to be pushed, because from coaching girls from
the age of six all the way up till they
get to middle school, till they get to high school,
this is just this is ridiculous and we've got to
(24:02):
stop it.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Totally agree with you. First of all, thank you so
much for buying our books, respectively, which are Balls that's
Clay's book, you guys know that. And Manufacturing Delusion How
the Left use his brainwashing, indctrin nation and propaganda against you.
That is my book, so you know we're coming. But
we both deal with the trans issue. I have a
chapter on that that deals with the trans issue from
a psychological manipulation point of view. Obviously Clay delves into
(24:25):
that in Balls in detail. And Clay I would just
also add to what our esteemed caller just just raise
to our attention. Imagine you're a dad, yeah, in high school,
and you're watching and maybe maybe you've taken your girl out.
You know, I'm not a girl dad yet. Maybe one day,
(24:46):
you know, we're hoping to expand our family, but not
a girl dad. It would be great to be one.
You're a boy dad three times over, but not a
girl dad. But so we're going to put ourselves in
the in the uh, you know, girl dad shoes for
a second, just because having a kid and how much
you care about that child's welfare and everything else. I
can just only imagine for some of the dads listening,
who I know, we have dads listening who were taking
(25:08):
their girl to travel practice for soccer or basketball or whatever,
and so proud of all the progress she's made. And
and you know, maybe she made state select and maybe
she got recruited by an NC double A program somewhere
or whatever. And I can just imagine being that dad
on the sidelines when your daughter is let's say, a
(25:30):
senior who's already gotten her you know, given her letter
of intent and all that, and she's going to go
play basketball at you know, some program, some great NCUBLEA program.
She's super excited, and some six foot five, two hundred
and twenty pound guy with long hair is shoving her
around in the paint and you know, using the elbows
a little too much.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I think as a dad, not.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Only would you be outraged and want to throw up,
I feel like you'd want to physically intervene and be like,
you can't do that to my girl. I'm just being
honest with you. I just I think that your ensive
instinct as a father would kick in and you're like,
this is a man who is using his physical strength
against my girl on the you know, in a sport.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Now.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I know it's not assaulting her, but you know it's
I think that the protective instinct would kick.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
In there for any of the dads.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I don't have any of you want to weigh on that, guys,
but I can assume, as I mean, dad, i'd be furious.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I think about that. Not only that, Buck, I mean,
think about what happened with Leah Thomas. He changed in
the female locker room. Yeah, in addition to winning an
n C DOUBLEA title, think about how much you protect
women's locker rooms, women's spaces. They let a dude with
male genitalia walk in and put on a women's bathing
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suit and win an in C double A title and
get dressed with all the girls in the locker room.
I mean, this is crazy town stuff. And I want
to give a shout out to parents out there everywhere,
including my wife. Like my fifteen year old this summer,
buck has had six am lifts every morning just about
(27:04):
during during the summer, so he's had to be at
the gym at six am. My wife has gotten up
at five thirty am. She has driven him to the
lift so that he can be there with his team
football team doing lifts at six am in the morning.
How many moms, dads, grandma's, grandpas, brothers and sisters have
(27:24):
gotten their daughters, the girls in their families to early
morning swim practice at five point thirty in the morning,
early morning soccer practice, early morning basketball practice, working as
hard as they possibly can to be e lite at
their sport. And then some dude parachutes in and wins
a championship. It's immoral right like leave aside the competitive
(27:49):
aspects of this. It is in you want to talk
about empathy and kindness, Why don't you think about the
girls who put every ounce of their self, you know,
child engine and the amount of effort and energy that
it takes to be good at anything on a high level.
People come after Riley Gain sometimes now they're like, you
(28:09):
only came in fifth fifth in the country at swimming,
or is anybody out there listening to us hardly fifth
best at anything in the world. Do you know how
hard it is to be fifth best at anything?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And they're like, oh, think about the girl Clay who
got third in that Yeah, I'm sorry, who got fourth
rather in that race and would have been a bronze
would have been a bronze medal were it not for
the guy in the all the medal stand all the
way down because this guy ends up winning first place
and wins an NCAA title. And again, I just think
(28:42):
it's a profoundly huge issue. And the argument they make
is not even that it's not unfair. Now at this
point they try to make that, but they largely sidestep it.
It's just it doesn't happen that often. Why do you care?
Speaker 9 (28:55):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh yeah, that's the argument they go to now, which
is tactical retreat. They're not not conceding anything, they're not
being honest about anything. It's essentially it's almost like in
the public square pleading the fifth. I'm just not gonna
let's not talk about this right now, because they don't
have with pitch things and why would you even talk
about this. Yeah, yeah, there's there's a lot of there's
(29:16):
a lot of that going on. So look, they keep
they meaning the Democrats, I don't mean they as in
like plural for an individual. They have decided that this
is something that is extremely important to the Democrat party
because this is key Clay. People are willing to humiliate
themselves publicly over this. Yes, it's very hard to get
(29:39):
people to be willing to humiliate themselves over politics unless
it is an essential element of belonging to the political tribe, right,
unless it is your show of it's it's you know,
it'd be like wearing the horse hair shir or the
not horse hair whatever. It's like a hair shirt back
in the day, you know, your obeessence to the greater faith.
(30:03):
This is like a religious act for them, and that's
why they're willing to look like such jackasses.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
And also it's a foundational element of the entire identity
politics worldview that they have created. If if you pull
that support structure away of men are not actually women,
then the entire trans agenda collapses. So they can't just
have guys who want to wear dresses. We had this
(30:31):
when we were growing up, buck They were called drag queens,
and everybody knew they weren't women, but they would parade
around and they would dress up in dresses. And you know,
Rue Paul, I think was the most famous drag queen.
They never claimed to be women. They were just men
who dressed up like women. It made them happier. Not
my thing, but if that's your thing, okay. They didn't
require that we lie and say something that we knew
(30:56):
to be untrue. And this is just a logical extension
of left wing thought. You pointed it out. In the contextuff,
you're starting to hear a little bit of oh, well,
you should just be willing to date these people because
they're actually women. If you're straight, that's a bridge too
far right now. Right now, they're trying to get you
on the bridge by saying these are women. They should
be able to play basketball, just like every other woman.
(31:19):
And then, to your point, it eventually leads into why
do you not want to sleep with these people? You're transphobic? No,
I just like girls, right, and again the thing with
collapses all around you're getting to the underpinning the foundational
element of all of this.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Whether we're talking about sports or locker rooms or a
pronoun usage or anything, the foundational element of all of
this is a lie. And the lie is that trans
women are women, which is, by the way, not only
a lie. It should be offensive to women, yes, meaning
it should it should the appropriation dare I say of
(32:02):
femaleness for someone's delusion? You know, because you grow your
hair out and have nails, now you're a woman. Really,
this is I can tell you what no man thinks
that a woman who takes testosterone and like has a
weird voice and you know, cuts off her boobs is
a man, not a single one.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
None of us are. Also, you're a throw now. We
would never let them speak for us. And this is
where my wife is really outspoken on what you're saying.
Part of being a woman is recognizing that you might
get raped when you go to get in a car
late at night when you're sixteen years old walking home,
like there is a unique aspect of growing up as
a woman. To just give that away to a man
(32:43):
who jumps in at the age of twenty four and
suddenly like I'm a woman, hear me, roar, I'm gonna
put on a dress and high heels. Oh we women
we have like to me, it's insulting its woman face.
First of all, because you're just play acting. They co
cosplay so much more aggressive. Why do they act like
fourteen year old girls in their you know, bedroom, like
(33:04):
kicking their leaf?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Was the Dylan Mulvany thing too, which is you're actually
you're a man pretending to be like a fourteen year
old girl.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Which this is the whole thing is very weird. It's
very very dark.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Actually, all right, we're gonna come back into this just conversation,
get your talkbacks. But you know, August is back to
school month for a lot of families here in Florida,
really across the country, I assume same. It's true in Tennessee,
Clay and a lot of our people listening right now.
So we're getting back into the routine of those family dinners.
Maybe you've had a lot of barbecues outdoors, but now
we're going to be adding to that using the stovetop
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You worry about boys showing up?
Speaker 9 (36:10):
Well, yeah, I don't so much worry about it. I
just I'm set up with it. I'm tired of being
told to keep quiet. And I mean, I've got a
D one potential in nine times out of ten, whether
I'm in you know, Richmond, Williamsburg or Charlotte. On any
given weekend, I'm scanning the sidelines to see if my daughter,
(36:32):
who's a goalie, is going to get hit by some dude.
And I'm tired of being told to be quiet about it.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Friend, congrats to have a really successful daughter, But that's crazy.
You got guys having to worry about whether there's dudes
trying to take out their daughters in sports. It's madness.
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