July 10, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show focused on two major topics: the transformative impact of GLP-1 weight-loss medications on American health and healthcare costs, and ongoing developments in the Tyler Robinson case involving the murder of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk. Throughout the hour, Clay and Buck offered analysis of emerging evidence, discussed broader societal implications, and addressed listener reactions.
The first half of Hour 2 centered on what the hosts described as a potential medical revolution driven by GLP-1 drugs such as Ozempic and similar treatments. Clay highlighted new polling data showing rapidly increasing usage of these medications, noting that adoption has surged in recent years while America’s obesity rate has begun to decline after decades of growth. The hosts argued that obesity contributes significantly to healthcare spending and discussed the possibility that wider access to GLP-1 treatments could improve public health outcomes, reduce chronic disease, lower healthcare expenditures, and potentially affect long-term federal budget challenges.
Buck compared the significance of GLP-1 medications to major medical breakthroughs, calling them one of the most important healthcare innovations of the 21st century. The conversation touched on obesity, diabetes, heart disease, fertility, inflammation, sleep quality, sleep apnea, longevity, and quality-of-life improvements. Buck also shared his personal experience losing substantial weight, emphasizing that these medications are tools that work best alongside lifestyle changes such as improved nutrition and exercise. The hosts criticized the “body positivity” movement’s normalization of obesity while stressing that individuals should seek healthier lives without shame or stigma.
The second major segment of Hour 2 shifted to the ongoing legal proceedings involving Tyler Robinson, who is accused of murdering Charlie Kirk. Clay and Buck discussed testimony and evidence emerging during preliminary hearings, arguing that the case against Robinson appears increasingly strong. A significant focus was placed on the emotional impact of Robinson’s father reportedly testifying against his son. The hosts repeatedly framed this as powerful evidence, arguing that few parents would voluntarily testify in a case that could potentially lead to their child receiving the death penalty unless they believed the evidence was overwhelming. The discussion explored the difficult position of both Robinson’s father and Charlie Kirk’s father, with the hosts emphasizing the tragedy facing both families.
The hosts also addressed numerous online conspiracy theories surrounding the killing, including claims about ballistics evidence and allegations of a broader plot. Clay referenced expert analysis concerning the firearm involved and disputed claims that certain aspects of the shooting were impossible. Both hosts argued that much of the speculation circulating on social media is unsupported by the evidence presented in court. Buck used the Jeffrey Epstein controversy as an example of how opinions can evolve as additional facts emerge, encouraging listeners to remain open to changing their views when confronted with new information. They emphasized the importance of following sworn testimony, court filings, and documented evidence rather than relying on viral social-media narratives.
As the hour concluded, Clay and Buck discussed the broader human and political impact of the Charlie Kirk murder, arguing that lone actors have historically carried out many high-profile political assassinations and acts of violence. They reflected on the devastating consequences for Kirk’s family, including his wife and children, while criticizing public figures and commentators whom they believe have remained silent in the face of misinformation surrounding the case. Listener calls added perspective on whether parents could ever testify against their own child in a capital murder case, underscoring one of the hour’s central themes: the extraordinary emotional weight of the testimony expected from Robinson’s father. The hosts suggested that the growing body of evidence may eventually leave little room for doubt about responsibility for the crime and discussed the possibility of future plea negotiations versus a full trial.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, welcome back again our number two Friday edition. Clay
and Buck. All Right, A lot of times you can
get news and it's super negative. That is a certain
truth that there is a predisposition towards negativity.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We got the.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Situation in Iran, we got the murder case of Charlie Kirk.
I saw this story this morning. This is from Axios,
and we've talked about it a little bit on the program,
but I saw it. I thought, oh, you know what,
we should have a little conversation about this, because Buck
has been really plugged in with this impact, and I
bet increasingly more and more of you are. And so, okay,
(00:39):
this GLP one medical revolution that we're in the midst of.
I saw a headline in my old print newspapers that
I read, Buck, you can now get GLP ones under
I think Medicare and Medicaid. I think I'm correcting this
for fifty dollars a month, like out of pocket, you
pay fifty dollars. This is one of the things that
(01:00):
Trump administration has negotiated, and it is affordable for a
lot of people.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Right, fifty dollars a month? What is that? Basically a week?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Twelve to fifty I think a week basically a little
bit over dollar a day, right, you can theoretically be
able for less than you're spending on coffee. You can
be able to potentially, although you should go buy Crocket
coffee because it's the best coffee in America. You can
be able to go out and transform your body. And
this is the data. According to Axios that I was
(01:32):
reading this morning, the percentage of adults who currently take
them has quadrupled since twenty twenty four. I thought this
was interesting, from three percent of the population in twenty
twenty four to eleven percent today. According to a new
Gallop Pull, fifteen percent of Americans say they've used the
(01:54):
drugs for weight loss at some point in their lives already.
And this is interesting. America's obesity rate has begun to
decline for the first time in decades. American obesity rate
buck in twenty twenty two. And I know we can discuss, hey,
what is the official way that they're measuring obesity. But
(02:15):
I think a lot of you who just go around
on a day to day basis would say the number
of people that are overweight today compared to the number
of people who were overweight, say in nineteen eighty five
is hugely different, right, No pun intended, but it is
ticked down from thirty nine point nine percent to thirty
six point four percent. Small tickdown. But Buck, tell me
(02:38):
if you buy or sell this argument. Antibiotics, in terms
of creating longer lives, probably the greatest medical invention of
the last what did you say, one hundred years?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I think that would be fair to say used to be.
You could every one.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Of you listening right now, has someone in your family
history going back one hundred years or so somebody would
fall and break an arm and die because there would
end up being a a overall infection that would occur,
and people die.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You get an infection for breaking your arm. That's a
rough that's a rough break.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
But I mean like people died.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
You go back and look at how your great grandmothers
and your anton.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
You get a cut, you get a staff infection, you die,
that's real.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, I mean it would be crazy the amount obviously, childbirth, women,
all those things. Right, So one of the biggest editions
of life, the greatest human creations in terms of extending
the quality of life, has been antibotics. You buy or
sell this argument, Buck, I think that these glp ones
and their additional continued evolution has the potential to be
(03:52):
the greatest medical trans addition to life that we have
seen since antibotics.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yes, I've already said this.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I think that dlp ones are the most important twenty
first century medical advance that we have seen. I think
it's because it affects so much. And obviously you talk
to your doctor before you do any of this. All
the provisors apply, right, all the usual make sure that
you know you're getting them from a doctor, and you're
(04:21):
getting them, you're being monitored and all these things. There
can be side effects, and this is why every big
farmer commercial has a million side effects. The side effects
of being obese are really bad. And this is why
the body positivity movement was actually such a horrific I mean,
the whole thing was a lie. If you are, you know,
(04:44):
there's and everyone understands there's a difference between you know,
I would look better in a bathing suit if I
lost twenty pounds. Okay, fine, that's probably not going to
affect your health very much, if at all, probably won't
affect it at all. If you're one hundred pounds overweight,
you are destroying your quality of life.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yes, from a medical perspective, maybe you think you look great,
maybe everyone loves that's fine.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Medically speaking, you're destroying your quality of life over time
because of all the inflammation. Because because that's something people
won't even think about. Your body is in a constant
state of inflammation and the visceral fat that people gather
around organs, which is kind of that it's like a
deep fat that is around the organs that creates inflammation
that is over the long term, incredibly bad systemically for
(05:27):
your body. Then of course there's type two diabetes, there's
heart disease, there's stroke, there's these things, the big killers,
all worse from obesity. All of them are worse. All
of your markers, all your health markers. So now people
will always say this stuff like, oh but and this
is where I think it's important to speak openly about this.
People will say, oh, well, just change, you know, do
(05:49):
healthy lifestyle. Well, you know, if you've had a k
nee replacement and a hip replacement and your testa speaking
about a guy now, and your testosterone level is like
sub three hundred, and people are telling you go to
the gym and lyft. Let's say you're you know, you're
fifty five. People are saying, go to the gym and lyft.
You're going to be exhausted. You're not going to put
(06:10):
on muscle. You already have high body fat, you have
insulin resistance, you have all these things. It's about chemistry.
This is what I And now you could say, well, Buck,
what do you know about this? Well, you know, I
mean I've I've actually done some frontline work on this
in the last couple of years, I would say. But
even more than that, I have some very close friends
down here who are you know, very high level bodybuilders,
(06:34):
for example, and they'll say the same thing. It is
about your body chemistry. And people who just think I'll
push harder, I'll be more disciplined if your chemistry is off,
if you're insulin resistant, if you're used to eating thirty
five hundred calories a day, you can fight through all that.
You're going to be extremely hungry, You're going to be
extremely tired. You're going to you know, and this is
(06:56):
why Clayon. You know, the stats on diets long term
are that they fail for ninety five percent ninety seven
percent of people. Everyone gains the weight back glps are
a secret weapon in the War on obesity, and not
I shouldn't say secret weapon. They're an X factor weapon.
They're not secret at all. We're telling you about them.
But they are incredible. Everyone I know who has taken
(07:17):
them has gotten phenomenal results. I've heard of very few
people that have had side effects so bad that they've
I actually haven't heard of anyone whose side effects were
so bad that they stop. I've heard stories of people secondhand.
But there's all this great stuff that happens too. Married
couples start having more sex, for example, which means too
more children, more babies.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
People.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Uh good.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
But by the way, being overweight effects or sleep. When
I was, I mean, I'll tell you guys, I weigh
two hundred and five pounds probably now, uh don't quite
have Clay's six pack at his one to eighty five whatever,
But I weigh like two two hundred and two oh five.
I pretty much did my my whole career in media.
I'd say I was probably between two hundred and two two.
(08:00):
And then when you and I teamed up, I don't know,
I don't know. All of a sudden, I just developed
a real taste for ice. Cream, and I got to
like almost two forty, which was just you know, that
was way too high. And I realized that and so
I dropped. Actually, I got down to one hundred and
eighty five hundred and ninety pounds maybe a year, year
and a half ago, you lost almost fifty pounds.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Talked to my doctor and I will tell you I
had a stack and I had a whole range of
peptides that I was taking as part of Now, I
did change my eating. I increased my step count to
ten thousand a day. There were all these things. But
the point is it makes it easier. It's a tool.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It's a tool that made you still have to do
the things.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
By the way, I do know a couple of people
who have blown through their GLPS by just eating too much.
Like they don't they're not hungry, but they're so used
to eating so much they just keep eating. Now, you know,
and then you're really just getting into ten percent of people.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
The data reflects that it doesn't have the same impact
on yes, and appaired to everybody else. Well, you can
you can just be like, you know what, I don't
really I'm not hungry, but I'm just so used to
having a bacon cheeseburger at nine o'clock at night with
a chocolate milkshake.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
They're like, I gotta do it. And it doesn't magically
make the weight come off you. It changes the way
that you feel. You know, it does help with some
of the blood sugar stuff. I mean, I'm not a scientist.
I'm not a scientist. But the biggest thing it does
is it makes you not hungry as much it is
a hung It controls your appetite. The problem of obesity
(09:28):
is a problem of over consumption of calories, full stop.
Ninety nine point nine percent of people who are overweight
are over consuming calories. People want to talk about clay,
you know, Oh I have a slow metabolism, Oh I
have some spide I'm a woman who's going through a
hormonal thing.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Ninety nine point nine people are over consuming calories. So
it helps you stop doing that. So I love all
of this, and this is super positive.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
If if these GLP ones as they continue to move
through the population, and again they've quadrupled in terms of
this accorded to AXIOS since twenty twenty four, I would
did some research. Doctors think that about fifty percent of
our medical related expense is actually directly connected to obesity.
(10:20):
Think about that for a minute. In other words, all
of the treatments that are going on all of the hospitals,
and obviously I'm not talking about somebody who breaks the
leg or breaks the hip or something like that, although
that could potentially be connected in some way to obesity.
Imagine what the cost what it would do to overall
(10:40):
budgetary issues. For instance, in the United States, if suddenly
our expenses for healthcare collectively as a country started to
dive because people were healthier, they were living longer, and
these GLP ones were helping people to have a much
higher quality of life. This is a really pot I
(11:01):
don't think it's being talked about enough. You've talked about
it some on the program because you've been through it
and you've looked at it. Yeah, But when I consider
what stories are being covered out there, and again there's
a predisposition for negativity in the media. A lot of
people only want to consume negative things. I understand it.
Sometimes we miss the daily positive things that are occurring.
This is a potentially transformative in a positive way attribute
(11:26):
in this country and frankly in many countries around the world,
but it has national debt implications, to be clear, because
the amount of money, Like think about it, this is
this is real, the amount of money. We have a
population crisis in this country. We're not having enough kids,
those of you who are asking. By the way, Kerry
and I are working on it. Okay, we're trying to
get we're trying to we're trying to up the numbers.
Clay's got three, so he's at you know, good at Uh,
(11:46):
he's beyond replacement level.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
So good on there. We got one. We're working on more.
We're working on more. But uh, the reality here is
we don't have enough people having kids. This does assist
with that. By the way, you're also more fertile, believe
it or not, when your body is, you know, at
a healthier weight.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
It makes total sense if you think about it biologically right,
the healthier you are, the more likely you're gonna be
able to raise it did.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
But it's true of mail, it's true of male sperm
production as well, since we're getting into this. If you're
really really overweight and you smoke and these things, it
affects your ability as a guy to be able to
have kids. So so all of these things all ties
to get above your sleep, which is another thing that
people do not like, quality of sleep and getting good sleep.
So many people just think, oh, I snore, I wake
(12:32):
up in the middle of the night and everything else.
A lot of the time it's actually driven by fat
around So this was this was I was getting sleep
apnea because I got fat enough that I started having
like you know, in the middle of the night you
would get a little basically your your breathing is constricted
by the fat around your neck, which is not a
(12:53):
pleasant nice thing to say, but that is true. That
is gone. So I sleep great now. Sleep apnea, Clay
is really bad for a whole bunch of a whole
bunch of reasons for people. I consider all day and
talk to you guys about this, but you know we're
talking about Trump with me. Do you agree with me
just being undercovered like that transformative impacts here from a
positive degree?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Well, here's the problem I mean, and this is why
some of you are like Buck, you know you must
be sponsored by big Pharma.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
No, I'm not sponsored by big pharma.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I was as vocal about uh that I was as
vocal a person about COVID madness and then and then
no need for the shots and all that stuff as
anybody as we were having Alex Bearnson on the show,
when you know, people were doing hit pieces on us
in major news outlets for like how dare we let this?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
You know, Charlatan.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Of course Alex was correct, and you know all the
data he used was right, point being, I'm not some
big pharma shill. You brought up antibiotics.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Same thing.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
If someone comes to me and they say, hey, I
have a staff infection. My doctor says I should take
the following antibiotics. Should I The answer is yes, because
I don't want you to die and you don't want
the spidering of the infection to occur, which is what
you know. And then you get sepsis and really bad
things and now you're now you're just in the hospital
getting intervenous antibiotics. By the way, glps, go see your doctor,
(14:09):
go talk to them. They are They have changed the
lives of many, many people that I know, and they
have changed lives of family members of mine.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And it is it is worth it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
It is worth it because the side effects of being
extremely overweight, those are one hundred percent. That's not a
like five percent of people or ten percent of people.
The side effects of being extremely overweight are you are
not maximizing your day to day enjoyment of your life,
the amount of time you'll be on this earth, to
be with your kids, to be with your grandkids or whatever.
(14:41):
Help use these tools. By the way, people that also
do any of this like shaming. There, they're they're morons. Okay,
they're absolute When I say shaming, people that are like
doing this and get a good result to like, oh, well,
you know you took something, this.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Is a health issue.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
What do you What do you mean I took Does
anyone say to you, like, how you took penicillin?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
You should have gone old?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, you should have just died. You should have just died.
I don't know why you took atabotics. You took something.
You don't have a cold anymore, or the virus or whatever.
I will say this.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Also, this whole body positivity thing is just vanished gone. Yeah,
the whole idea of I'm super fat and I'm proud
of it, it is vanished overnight. I don't see this anywhere.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah, my friends, there's there's no shame in ever having
a problem. There's no shame in not being where you
want to be. The only shame is not being honest
with yourself and not wanting to try something to improve.
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(16:48):
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Oh, I totally believe that in California that may be
a little specific. I feel like we could have a
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fe welcome back in play and bock rolling through all
of the stories across the nation. One thing that I
wanted to hit. I know we've talked about this quite
(19:01):
a bit. I do think as they continue to have
the preliminary trial case being laid out for Tyler Robinson,
the evidence is just overwhelming. And by the way, I
will open up phone lines. We did this earlier eight
hundred two two eight A two. A couple of things. One,
(19:25):
Tyler Robinson's dad is going to be testifying against him
in the trial. For anyone out there that is a
dad or a mom, because I think the mom is
also a witness, but the dad more so based on
the conversations that they had. If you are one of
these people who has bought into conspiracy somewhere else is involved.
(19:49):
Do you think they got to Tyler Robinson's dad?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
What would it take?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Imagine how difficult this would be if you are a
parent to find out your son to tell you that
he killed Charlie Kirk. This guy, My understanding is the
family are Republicans. Heck, they may occasionally listen to this
program because we've got a huge audience in Utah. The
(20:15):
dad is going to testify against his son that all
of the background training for shooting, beingcoming a decent shot,
having his grandpa's gun, the fact that his son confessed
to him I shot Charlie Kirk with our grandpa's heirloom
gun that he gave to me. For all the dads
(20:39):
out there, what would it take for you to lie
about your son committing a murder in a courtroom where
you're putting him into particularly all the dads.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Are saying the same thing. You'd have to kill me.
I die first, No way.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
And his dad is facing having to testify in a
case I believe where his son could face.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
The death penalty.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I just think for some of these details, the second
one you and I were we took calls from a
couple of guys who were saying, there's no way this
thirty odd to six the thing that the gun that
was used to shoot Charlie and this is graphic, but
a lot of people are talking about it. And I
think it's significant that the bullet would not stop. In
other words, it wouldn't leave. There are a bunch of experts.
(21:26):
Now I would have looked this is something when I
don't know, maybe I'm rare on this. When I don't
when I really don't know about anything, I go try
to research and find out information. This is the law
background in me. You have to become an expert on
lots of things in the law in order to be
able to talk about it. There are tons of experts
on these particular guns and these particular shootings that are
(21:51):
now coming out and saying, oh, there's lots of examples
of the exit wound not existing and the bullet staying
inside of the body, including reportedly Martin Luther King Junior,
who was evidently shot back in nineteen sixty eight with
the same weapon as Charlie Kirk. And so I've reached
(22:17):
out to a couple of experts on this. Buck I
have sent to our team and maybe we can get
the audio. Jeremy Boring, who used to be at The
Daily Wire, had a ballistics expert talking about this shooting,
not affiliated with any side, not the defense, not the prosecution,
not affiliated with any side, saying, hey, I went back
(22:37):
and looked at all these different examinations of ballistics related shootings,
and he found a ton of guys. Not a ton,
but like three or four of the cases that he
looked at were close up shots from this weapon where
there was no exit wound.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
In other words, a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Of you that are on social media and you're following
TikTok or you're following arguments on this, I think as
this evidence continues to come out, you're going to feel
as if as if you have been led drastically astray.
Here's the other thing buck the defense in this case,
that is the Tyler Robinson defense team. They are not
(23:18):
arguing much of what has gone viral on social media
as a defense for this guy. I think that's pretty
significant that the evidence to support many of the viral
claims about this Tyler Robinson case. And again I said
this before, I would encourage you on any topic we
talk about Go read about these things for yourself. We're
(23:38):
trying to make them make sense, communicate them with you.
But the actual physical evidence is now being entered in
this case, You're going to be able to go look
at it, examine it, study it, read about it yourself
from the actual documents the court itself, as opposed to
listening to us telephone style talking about this.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Yes, and I think that it's just always a good
practice for anyone to if new information comes in, assess
that new information, and if you had a belief before
that now runs contrary to the weight of the new
information you have. It's always okay to say I was
(24:20):
mistaken about this, and now I know more, and now
I have a different come to a different conclusion. I
will say I believed very much in a broader conspiracy
relating to Jeffrey Epstein than what it seems the actual
evidence and all the stuff that was released ended up
(24:40):
supporting meaning that Epstein, it seems, was And people can
still argue this, by the way, and I'm not saying
that they're wrong. I'm just saying my conclusion has shifted.
I thought he must have been running a blackmail ring
of high level people for a whole bunch of reasons.
There was evidence to support that. By the way, that
wasn't you know, he had special cameras and things, you know,
(25:04):
weird stuff about him that would have supported that.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I don't want to get to into the that.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I don't want to give the Epstein conversations diversion from
what we're talking about here, the Charlie Kirk assassination. But
I'm just saying my assessment on that changed as more
information came out. I'm still open to new information in that,
but I think I think it actually is the case.
And I spoke to Dan Bongino about this, and you know,
he was at the FBI. He's spoken very publicly about this,
and he was looking at these files very directly and
(25:31):
had full access to everything.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
You know, Epstein was a pedophile.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
He happened to hang out with a lot of other
people who were very powerful, and you know, we're points
of access for him. But it doesn't seem that there
was any actual blackmail. But he wasn't blackmailing people. And
now you can get into what do you believe that
why would that be? I mean, part of it is
I think if the word got out that he was
blackmailing anybody in these high level then no one's going
(25:56):
to want to be within one hundred yards of him, right,
And that there is that ass of it, meaning, you know,
if he actually had to ever, if Epstein ever had
to h if you will, like you know, drop the
tape on somebody, he can only do it once and
then anybody, you know, going forward. First of all, everyone's
gonna know who he is. So I think there's a
(26:17):
limited there are some limits to how far that scheme
could go.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
That's all again.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I'm sorry, I'm getting deep into the Epstein thing that
I want to play, but I'm just saying it. My
understanding of that evolved from where it was. It's okay
for someone's understanding if they were. I always thought that
Tyler Robinson was the guy. I've always thought that the preponderance,
the overwhelming weight of it was that this is the guy.
And I've seen no evidence that there's a broader conspiracy,
no sound rational evidence as a broader conspiracy. If somebody
(26:43):
was on the wrong side of this, it's okay, or
you know they think they were on the wrong side
of this, it's okay to say, all right, new evidence
has come forward, it's been presented at courts warrant testimony.
Don Junior is there. Don Junior was maybe Charlie's closest
friend after his wife. I mean, certainly in the absolute blue,
tightest inner circle with Charlie Kirk. What is the world
(27:04):
in which Don Junior is allowing some sham trial to
happen and says nothing about it.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
If you thought it was a sham, it doesn't exist.
It doesn't expect for anybody out there who's a dad.
We got two dads in the courtroom. Just think about
it from a pure dad perspective. One dad is there
because his son was assassinated and he wants to see
the person who killed his son held accountable. I think
every dad out there in America can say, hey, I
can unfortunately imagine how I might feel if that situation arose.
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The other dad is testifying against his son, saying he
took the son of someone else.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
What would you have to do?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
What would dads on both sides have to do in
order for both of them to agree to be involved
in a conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
It just doesn't add up.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
And I do think Buck there is an element out there,
and I understand it to not be willing to admit
or recognize or want to recognize that randomness and lack
of or organized directive impacts far more of our life.
In other words, that this random comparative insignificant in the world.
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Person Tyler Robinson could wake up on a random day
and decide he's going to kill Charlie Kirk, that James
Earl Ray back in nineteen sixty eight could decide he's
going to kill Martin Luther King. That if it happened.
And I do understand that there's a lot of uncertainties
about Oswald than everything else, But if Lee Harvey Oswald
did in fact kill John F. Kennedy, what it represents
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is one loan oftentimes loser, relatively speaking person can take
away a significant, important part of our culture by himself.
There's a randomness to it. A lot of people want
to believe that there is, and I think it ties
in with Estein two, somebody who's pulling the strings right.
(28:52):
There is a puppet master. There is a larger construct
of life than just a lot of random things are happen.
Happening that can sometimes lead to awful results. And I
understand that desire and I just don't think it applies
in this particular case with Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I mean, think about this, John Wilkes, Booth, Charles Gueitou.
You know that they made a Netflix show about the
Garfield assassination by Gueito. Guiteau was a whack job. The
guy was like a narcissistic whack job who killed the
US president was horrible too. The way that Garfield died
(29:31):
took a long time, and everything else. McKinley was killed
by Leon chol Gosh, another wacko anarchist type, right, and
then you you know, the only one, the only one
of all of the presidential Assassin's what I'm saying that
it was some part of a maybe nexus of international
communist or other or CIA or whatever conspiracy is Kennedy.
(29:55):
But in the other cases, Clay, it's widely under No
one thinks that Gueto was act on behalf of you know,
the government of Spain or something. I mean, no one
thinks that these were these were wackos who killed presidents. Now,
Charlie wasn't a president, but he was a very important
figure in American conservative politics. And you know, there's also
(30:15):
something something that I think we all now that the
evidence is being presented that we can say as well,
Charlie's got a wife and he's got two kids, and
their lives have been dramatically altered forever and that can
never change.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
And it is tragic and it is heartbreaking.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
And there's a way you can talk about things that
are sensitive and that are difficult, but that are in
the public domain, that is still respectful. And then there
are ways that crossover into dancing on the grave in
front of the widow and maligning the father in front.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Of the children.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
And there's been some of that online, a lot of
that online, and I think people have some soul searching
to do.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I really do. I think that people need to understand.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
It's a vicious and vile and disgusting thing to attack
Charlie's family that you know is still here in that
way when he's not there to defend them. I will
also say there have been people who are very close
to Charlie who I think, unfortunately, I guess I don't
know if they're just cowardly or they're just too afraid
(31:18):
they won't speak up about this. I wasn't close to Charlie,
nowither were you. I didn't know Charlie well, I didn't
know his wife, and we tend to stay out of
the interpersonal, uh you know, nastiness of conservative podcaster and
media world, which I think is because we don't want
to waste any of your time. But there are people
that I know who many of you would know. I'm
(31:40):
not going to name them because it's not about that,
but some of you know who I'm talking about, who
are extremely close to Charlie Clay. I mean, they've built
their careers on Charlie's coattails and they are silent while
people say that this was Israel, or this was Turning Point,
or this is whatever, and I just think, I'm man,
I don't know, there's something. There's some things you got
(32:04):
to fight, no matter what the outcome is. You've just
got to stand and fight. And there are people who
have been quiet and all that who are Turning Point
employees or were people who were close to Charlie, and
it's been disappointing to see that that much.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I will say, we'll play some of that audio maybe
for people out there. I do think we have an
obligation to push back because there's so much crazy out there,
and now that all the evidence is coming out, this
is overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
The average murder.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
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Speaker 3 (33:53):
Welcome back in here to play, and Buck, we are
going to take her content at a Friday.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
We have a lot we want to talk you about.
And continue on with this. This big trial that it's not.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
The trial is actually not under way, to be clear,
it's tough to it's the preliminary hearings in advance of
the trial. Trial hasn't even been set yet. But at
the hearing there's sworn testimony and sworn evidence and all
this that is essentially the basis for what the trial
will be, should there be a trial. That's what this
hearing is about. Yes, there should be a trial. I
do wonder, Clay, if at some point this will turn
into you know, I think that they're probably going to
(34:29):
just say, look, well we'll plead just death penalty has
to be off the table. And I wonder if the
State of Utah is gonna I wonder if they would
offer that. I mean, I think that's what the defense
is going to say. I don't know if the State
of Utah is going to accept that.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
So there's that.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, I mean, I think unfortunately, because of all of
the because of all of the conspiracy theories out there,
I think there's an argument the state of Utah doesn't
want to allow anything other than and a full trial
so that everybody can actually see all the evidence here,
(35:06):
because it is overwhelming and we have a cut. Do
we have time, Let's play this at the top of
the next hour, because I think it's a little bit long.
Tommy and Louisiana, You've got a way in here. We're
talking about two different dads on this perspective. One is
testifying against his son, the other is there to see
his son's killer held accountable. And you're thinking about that
(35:27):
from your perspective.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Yeah, man, I have a twenty two year old son
that's a senior in college. We're both huge Charlie Kirk fans.
We both voted for Trump, both conservative. But I got
to tell you, man, if that was my son, there's
no way I could test against him in courts or
do anything to go against my child. I just couldn't
(35:52):
do it. There was no way.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I understand that. Thank you for the call.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I mean, look, there's the marital the spouse provision Buck
where basically you can't compel one spouse to testify against another,
and there's a privilege inside of a marriage. I think
there's a lot of dads out there that would be similar, Like,
even if they knew their son had done something like this,
testifying against him in a court where he might face
the death penalty is overwhelmingly difficult to do. The fact
(36:19):
that this dad is I couldn't I couldn't do it. Yeah,
I couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
The fact that this dad is.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Doing it, I think so many of you dads out
there just think about that he's Can you imagine lying
and saying, oh, yeah, my dad, my son committed this murder.
I mean, the fact that he's testifying against him. To
me as an open and Chuck Tase, I can't even
imagine anything else. We'll come back Final Hour the week
next
Oh, welcome back again our number two Friday edition. Clay
and Buck. All Right, A lot of times you can
get news and it's super negative. That is a certain
truth that there is a predisposition towards negativity.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We got the.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Situation in Iran, we got the murder case of Charlie Kirk.
I saw this story this morning. This is from Axios,
and we've talked about it a little bit on the program,
but I saw it. I thought, oh, you know what,
we should have a little conversation about this, because Buck
has been really plugged in with this impact, and I
bet increasingly more and more of you are. And so, okay,
(00:39):
this GLP one medical revolution that we're in the midst of.
I saw a headline in my old print newspapers that
I read, Buck, you can now get GLP ones under
I think Medicare and Medicaid. I think I'm correcting this
for fifty dollars a month, like out of pocket, you
pay fifty dollars. This is one of the things that
(01:00):
Trump administration has negotiated, and it is affordable for a
lot of people.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Right, fifty dollars a month? What is that? Basically a week?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Twelve to fifty I think a week basically a little
bit over dollar a day, right, you can theoretically be
able for less than you're spending on coffee. You can
be able to potentially, although you should go buy Crocket
coffee because it's the best coffee in America. You can
be able to go out and transform your body. And
this is the data. According to Axios that I was
(01:32):
reading this morning, the percentage of adults who currently take
them has quadrupled since twenty twenty four. I thought this
was interesting, from three percent of the population in twenty
twenty four to eleven percent today. According to a new
Gallop Pull, fifteen percent of Americans say they've used the
(01:54):
drugs for weight loss at some point in their lives already.
And this is interesting. America's obesity rate has begun to
decline for the first time in decades. American obesity rate
buck in twenty twenty two. And I know we can discuss, hey,
what is the official way that they're measuring obesity. But
(02:15):
I think a lot of you who just go around
on a day to day basis would say the number
of people that are overweight today compared to the number
of people who were overweight, say in nineteen eighty five
is hugely different, right, No pun intended, but it is
ticked down from thirty nine point nine percent to thirty
six point four percent. Small tickdown. But Buck, tell me
(02:38):
if you buy or sell this argument. Antibiotics, in terms
of creating longer lives, probably the greatest medical invention of
the last what did you say, one hundred years?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I think that would be fair to say used to be.
You could every one.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Of you listening right now, has someone in your family
history going back one hundred years or so somebody would
fall and break an arm and die because there would
end up being a a overall infection that would occur,
and people die.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You get an infection for breaking your arm. That's a
rough that's a rough break.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
But I mean like people died.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
You go back and look at how your great grandmothers
and your anton.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
You get a cut, you get a staff infection, you die,
that's real.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, I mean it would be crazy the amount obviously, childbirth, women,
all those things. Right, So one of the biggest editions
of life, the greatest human creations in terms of extending
the quality of life, has been antibotics. You buy or
sell this argument, Buck, I think that these glp ones
and their additional continued evolution has the potential to be
(03:52):
the greatest medical trans addition to life that we have
seen since antibotics.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yes, I've already said this.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I think that dlp ones are the most important twenty
first century medical advance that we have seen. I think
it's because it affects so much. And obviously you talk
to your doctor before you do any of this. All
the provisors apply, right, all the usual make sure that
you know you're getting them from a doctor, and you're
(04:21):
getting them, you're being monitored and all these things. There
can be side effects, and this is why every big
farmer commercial has a million side effects. The side effects
of being obese are really bad. And this is why
the body positivity movement was actually such a horrific I mean,
the whole thing was a lie. If you are, you know,
(04:44):
there's and everyone understands there's a difference between you know,
I would look better in a bathing suit if I
lost twenty pounds. Okay, fine, that's probably not going to
affect your health very much, if at all, probably won't
affect it at all. If you're one hundred pounds overweight,
you are destroying your quality of life.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yes, from a medical perspective, maybe you think you look great,
maybe everyone loves that's fine.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Medically speaking, you're destroying your quality of life over time
because of all the inflammation. Because because that's something people
won't even think about. Your body is in a constant
state of inflammation and the visceral fat that people gather
around organs, which is kind of that it's like a
deep fat that is around the organs that creates inflammation
that is over the long term, incredibly bad systemically for
(05:27):
your body. Then of course there's type two diabetes, there's
heart disease, there's stroke, there's these things, the big killers,
all worse from obesity. All of them are worse. All
of your markers, all your health markers. So now people
will always say this stuff like, oh but and this
is where I think it's important to speak openly about this.
People will say, oh, well, just change, you know, do
(05:49):
healthy lifestyle. Well, you know, if you've had a k
nee replacement and a hip replacement and your testa speaking
about a guy now, and your testosterone level is like
sub three hundred, and people are telling you go to
the gym and lyft. Let's say you're you know, you're
fifty five. People are saying, go to the gym and lyft.
You're going to be exhausted. You're not going to put
(06:10):
on muscle. You already have high body fat, you have
insulin resistance, you have all these things. It's about chemistry.
This is what I And now you could say, well, Buck,
what do you know about this? Well, you know, I
mean I've I've actually done some frontline work on this
in the last couple of years, I would say. But
even more than that, I have some very close friends
down here who are you know, very high level bodybuilders,
(06:34):
for example, and they'll say the same thing. It is
about your body chemistry. And people who just think I'll
push harder, I'll be more disciplined if your chemistry is off,
if you're insulin resistant, if you're used to eating thirty
five hundred calories a day, you can fight through all that.
You're going to be extremely hungry, You're going to be
extremely tired. You're going to you know, and this is
(06:56):
why Clayon. You know, the stats on diets long term
are that they fail for ninety five percent ninety seven
percent of people. Everyone gains the weight back glps are
a secret weapon in the War on obesity, and not
I shouldn't say secret weapon. They're an X factor weapon.
They're not secret at all. We're telling you about them.
But they are incredible. Everyone I know who has taken
(07:17):
them has gotten phenomenal results. I've heard of very few
people that have had side effects so bad that they've
I actually haven't heard of anyone whose side effects were
so bad that they stop. I've heard stories of people secondhand.
But there's all this great stuff that happens too. Married
couples start having more sex, for example, which means too
more children, more babies.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
People.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Uh good.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
But by the way, being overweight effects or sleep. When
I was, I mean, I'll tell you guys, I weigh
two hundred and five pounds probably now, uh don't quite
have Clay's six pack at his one to eighty five whatever,
But I weigh like two two hundred and two oh five.
I pretty much did my my whole career in media.
I'd say I was probably between two hundred and two two.
(08:00):
And then when you and I teamed up, I don't know,
I don't know. All of a sudden, I just developed
a real taste for ice. Cream, and I got to
like almost two forty, which was just you know, that
was way too high. And I realized that and so
I dropped. Actually, I got down to one hundred and
eighty five hundred and ninety pounds maybe a year, year
and a half ago, you lost almost fifty pounds.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Talked to my doctor and I will tell you I
had a stack and I had a whole range of
peptides that I was taking as part of Now, I
did change my eating. I increased my step count to
ten thousand a day. There were all these things. But
the point is it makes it easier. It's a tool.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It's a tool that made you still have to do
the things.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
By the way, I do know a couple of people
who have blown through their GLPS by just eating too much.
Like they don't they're not hungry, but they're so used
to eating so much they just keep eating. Now, you know,
and then you're really just getting into ten percent of people.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
The data reflects that it doesn't have the same impact
on yes, and appaired to everybody else. Well, you can
you can just be like, you know what, I don't
really I'm not hungry, but I'm just so used to
having a bacon cheeseburger at nine o'clock at night with
a chocolate milkshake.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
They're like, I gotta do it. And it doesn't magically
make the weight come off you. It changes the way
that you feel. You know, it does help with some
of the blood sugar stuff. I mean, I'm not a scientist.
I'm not a scientist. But the biggest thing it does
is it makes you not hungry as much it is
a hung It controls your appetite. The problem of obesity
(09:28):
is a problem of over consumption of calories, full stop.
Ninety nine point nine percent of people who are overweight
are over consuming calories. People want to talk about clay,
you know, Oh I have a slow metabolism, Oh I
have some spide I'm a woman who's going through a
hormonal thing.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Ninety nine point nine people are over consuming calories. So
it helps you stop doing that. So I love all
of this, and this is super positive.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
If if these GLP ones as they continue to move
through the population, and again they've quadrupled in terms of
this accorded to AXIOS since twenty twenty four, I would
did some research. Doctors think that about fifty percent of
our medical related expense is actually directly connected to obesity.
(10:20):
Think about that for a minute. In other words, all
of the treatments that are going on all of the hospitals,
and obviously I'm not talking about somebody who breaks the
leg or breaks the hip or something like that, although
that could potentially be connected in some way to obesity.
Imagine what the cost what it would do to overall
(10:40):
budgetary issues. For instance, in the United States, if suddenly
our expenses for healthcare collectively as a country started to
dive because people were healthier, they were living longer, and
these GLP ones were helping people to have a much
higher quality of life. This is a really pot I
(11:01):
don't think it's being talked about enough. You've talked about
it some on the program because you've been through it
and you've looked at it. Yeah, But when I consider
what stories are being covered out there, and again there's
a predisposition for negativity in the media. A lot of
people only want to consume negative things. I understand it.
Sometimes we miss the daily positive things that are occurring.
This is a potentially transformative in a positive way attribute
(11:26):
in this country and frankly in many countries around the world,
but it has national debt implications, to be clear, because
the amount of money, Like think about it, this is
this is real, the amount of money. We have a
population crisis in this country. We're not having enough kids,
those of you who are asking. By the way, Kerry
and I are working on it. Okay, we're trying to
get we're trying to we're trying to up the numbers.
Clay's got three, so he's at you know, good at Uh,
(11:46):
he's beyond replacement level.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
So good on there. We got one. We're working on more.
We're working on more. But uh, the reality here is
we don't have enough people having kids. This does assist
with that. By the way, you're also more fertile, believe
it or not, when your body is, you know, at
a healthier weight.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
It makes total sense if you think about it biologically right,
the healthier you are, the more likely you're gonna be
able to raise it did.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
But it's true of mail, it's true of male sperm
production as well, since we're getting into this. If you're
really really overweight and you smoke and these things, it
affects your ability as a guy to be able to
have kids. So so all of these things all ties
to get above your sleep, which is another thing that
people do not like, quality of sleep and getting good sleep.
So many people just think, oh, I snore, I wake
(12:32):
up in the middle of the night and everything else.
A lot of the time it's actually driven by fat
around So this was this was I was getting sleep
apnea because I got fat enough that I started having
like you know, in the middle of the night you
would get a little basically your your breathing is constricted
by the fat around your neck, which is not a
(12:53):
pleasant nice thing to say, but that is true. That
is gone. So I sleep great now. Sleep apnea, Clay
is really bad for a whole bunch of a whole
bunch of reasons for people. I consider all day and
talk to you guys about this, but you know we're
talking about Trump with me. Do you agree with me
just being undercovered like that transformative impacts here from a
positive degree?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Well, here's the problem I mean, and this is why
some of you are like Buck, you know you must
be sponsored by big Pharma.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
No, I'm not sponsored by big pharma.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I was as vocal about uh that I was as
vocal a person about COVID madness and then and then
no need for the shots and all that stuff as
anybody as we were having Alex Bearnson on the show,
when you know, people were doing hit pieces on us
in major news outlets for like how dare we let this?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
You know, Charlatan.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Of course Alex was correct, and you know all the
data he used was right, point being, I'm not some
big pharma shill. You brought up antibiotics.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Same thing.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
If someone comes to me and they say, hey, I
have a staff infection. My doctor says I should take
the following antibiotics. Should I The answer is yes, because
I don't want you to die and you don't want
the spidering of the infection to occur, which is what
you know. And then you get sepsis and really bad
things and now you're now you're just in the hospital
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of the stories across the nation. One thing that I
wanted to hit. I know we've talked about this quite
(19:01):
a bit. I do think as they continue to have
the preliminary trial case being laid out for Tyler Robinson,
the evidence is just overwhelming. And by the way, I
will open up phone lines. We did this earlier eight
hundred two two eight A two. A couple of things. One,
(19:25):
Tyler Robinson's dad is going to be testifying against him
in the trial. For anyone out there that is a
dad or a mom, because I think the mom is
also a witness, but the dad more so based on
the conversations that they had. If you are one of
these people who has bought into conspiracy somewhere else is involved.
(19:49):
Do you think they got to Tyler Robinson's dad?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
What would it take?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Imagine how difficult this would be if you are a
parent to find out your son to tell you that
he killed Charlie Kirk. This guy, My understanding is the
family are Republicans. Heck, they may occasionally listen to this
program because we've got a huge audience in Utah. The
(20:15):
dad is going to testify against his son that all
of the background training for shooting, beingcoming a decent shot,
having his grandpa's gun, the fact that his son confessed
to him I shot Charlie Kirk with our grandpa's heirloom
gun that he gave to me. For all the dads
(20:39):
out there, what would it take for you to lie
about your son committing a murder in a courtroom where
you're putting him into particularly all the dads.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Are saying the same thing. You'd have to kill me.
I die first, No way.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
And his dad is facing having to testify in a
case I believe where his son could face.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
The death penalty.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I just think for some of these details, the second
one you and I were we took calls from a
couple of guys who were saying, there's no way this
thirty odd to six the thing that the gun that
was used to shoot Charlie and this is graphic, but
a lot of people are talking about it. And I
think it's significant that the bullet would not stop. In
other words, it wouldn't leave. There are a bunch of experts.
(21:26):
Now I would have looked this is something when I
don't know, maybe I'm rare on this. When I don't
when I really don't know about anything, I go try
to research and find out information. This is the law
background in me. You have to become an expert on
lots of things in the law in order to be
able to talk about it. There are tons of experts
on these particular guns and these particular shootings that are
(21:51):
now coming out and saying, oh, there's lots of examples
of the exit wound not existing and the bullet staying
inside of the body, including reportedly Martin Luther King Junior,
who was evidently shot back in nineteen sixty eight with
the same weapon as Charlie Kirk. And so I've reached
(22:17):
out to a couple of experts on this. Buck I
have sent to our team and maybe we can get
the audio. Jeremy Boring, who used to be at The
Daily Wire, had a ballistics expert talking about this shooting,
not affiliated with any side, not the defense, not the prosecution,
not affiliated with any side, saying, hey, I went back
(22:37):
and looked at all these different examinations of ballistics related shootings,
and he found a ton of guys. Not a ton,
but like three or four of the cases that he
looked at were close up shots from this weapon where
there was no exit wound.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
In other words, a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Of you that are on social media and you're following
TikTok or you're following arguments on this, I think as
this evidence continues to come out, you're going to feel
as if as if you have been led drastically astray.
Here's the other thing buck the defense in this case,
that is the Tyler Robinson defense team. They are not
(23:18):
arguing much of what has gone viral on social media
as a defense for this guy. I think that's pretty
significant that the evidence to support many of the viral
claims about this Tyler Robinson case. And again I said
this before, I would encourage you on any topic we
talk about Go read about these things for yourself. We're
(23:38):
trying to make them make sense, communicate them with you.
But the actual physical evidence is now being entered in
this case, You're going to be able to go look
at it, examine it, study it, read about it yourself
from the actual documents the court itself, as opposed to
listening to us telephone style talking about this.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Yes, and I think that it's just always a good
practice for anyone to if new information comes in, assess
that new information, and if you had a belief before
that now runs contrary to the weight of the new
information you have. It's always okay to say I was
(24:20):
mistaken about this, and now I know more, and now
I have a different come to a different conclusion. I
will say I believed very much in a broader conspiracy
relating to Jeffrey Epstein than what it seems the actual
evidence and all the stuff that was released ended up
(24:40):
supporting meaning that Epstein, it seems, was And people can
still argue this, by the way, and I'm not saying
that they're wrong. I'm just saying my conclusion has shifted.
I thought he must have been running a blackmail ring
of high level people for a whole bunch of reasons.
There was evidence to support that. By the way, that
wasn't you know, he had special cameras and things, you know,
(25:04):
weird stuff about him that would have supported that.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I don't want to get to into the that.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I don't want to give the Epstein conversations diversion from
what we're talking about here, the Charlie Kirk assassination. But
I'm just saying my assessment on that changed as more
information came out. I'm still open to new information in that,
but I think I think it actually is the case.
And I spoke to Dan Bongino about this, and you know,
he was at the FBI. He's spoken very publicly about this,
and he was looking at these files very directly and
(25:31):
had full access to everything.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
You know, Epstein was a pedophile.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
He happened to hang out with a lot of other
people who were very powerful, and you know, we're points
of access for him. But it doesn't seem that there
was any actual blackmail. But he wasn't blackmailing people. And
now you can get into what do you believe that
why would that be? I mean, part of it is
I think if the word got out that he was
blackmailing anybody in these high level then no one's going
(25:56):
to want to be within one hundred yards of him, right,
And that there is that ass of it, meaning, you know,
if he actually had to ever, if Epstein ever had
to h if you will, like you know, drop the
tape on somebody, he can only do it once and
then anybody, you know, going forward. First of all, everyone's
gonna know who he is. So I think there's a
(26:17):
limited there are some limits to how far that scheme
could go.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
That's all again.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I'm sorry, I'm getting deep into the Epstein thing that
I want to play, but I'm just saying it. My
understanding of that evolved from where it was. It's okay
for someone's understanding if they were. I always thought that
Tyler Robinson was the guy. I've always thought that the preponderance,
the overwhelming weight of it was that this is the guy.
And I've seen no evidence that there's a broader conspiracy,
no sound rational evidence as a broader conspiracy. If somebody
(26:43):
was on the wrong side of this, it's okay, or
you know they think they were on the wrong side
of this, it's okay to say, all right, new evidence
has come forward, it's been presented at courts warrant testimony.
Don Junior is there. Don Junior was maybe Charlie's closest
friend after his wife. I mean, certainly in the absolute blue,
tightest inner circle with Charlie Kirk. What is the world
(27:04):
in which Don Junior is allowing some sham trial to
happen and says nothing about it.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
If you thought it was a sham, it doesn't exist.
It doesn't expect for anybody out there who's a dad.
We got two dads in the courtroom. Just think about
it from a pure dad perspective. One dad is there
because his son was assassinated and he wants to see
the person who killed his son held accountable. I think
every dad out there in America can say, hey, I
can unfortunately imagine how I might feel if that situation arose.
(27:31):
The other dad is testifying against his son, saying he
took the son of someone else.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
What would you have to do?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
What would dads on both sides have to do in
order for both of them to agree to be involved
in a conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
It just doesn't add up.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
And I do think Buck there is an element out there,
and I understand it to not be willing to admit
or recognize or want to recognize that randomness and lack
of or organized directive impacts far more of our life.
In other words, that this random comparative insignificant in the world.
(28:08):
Person Tyler Robinson could wake up on a random day
and decide he's going to kill Charlie Kirk, that James
Earl Ray back in nineteen sixty eight could decide he's
going to kill Martin Luther King. That if it happened.
And I do understand that there's a lot of uncertainties
about Oswald than everything else, But if Lee Harvey Oswald
did in fact kill John F. Kennedy, what it represents
(28:30):
is one loan oftentimes loser, relatively speaking person can take
away a significant, important part of our culture by himself.
There's a randomness to it. A lot of people want
to believe that there is, and I think it ties
in with Estein two, somebody who's pulling the strings right.
(28:52):
There is a puppet master. There is a larger construct
of life than just a lot of random things are happen.
Happening that can sometimes lead to awful results. And I
understand that desire and I just don't think it applies
in this particular case with Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I mean, think about this, John Wilkes, Booth, Charles Gueitou.
You know that they made a Netflix show about the
Garfield assassination by Gueito. Guiteau was a whack job. The
guy was like a narcissistic whack job who killed the
US president was horrible too. The way that Garfield died
(29:31):
took a long time, and everything else. McKinley was killed
by Leon chol Gosh, another wacko anarchist type, right, and
then you you know, the only one, the only one
of all of the presidential Assassin's what I'm saying that
it was some part of a maybe nexus of international
communist or other or CIA or whatever conspiracy is Kennedy.
(29:55):
But in the other cases, Clay, it's widely under No
one thinks that Gueto was act on behalf of you know,
the government of Spain or something. I mean, no one
thinks that these were these were wackos who killed presidents. Now,
Charlie wasn't a president, but he was a very important
figure in American conservative politics. And you know, there's also
(30:15):
something something that I think we all now that the
evidence is being presented that we can say as well,
Charlie's got a wife and he's got two kids, and
their lives have been dramatically altered forever and that can
never change.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
And it is tragic and it is heartbreaking.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
And there's a way you can talk about things that
are sensitive and that are difficult, but that are in
the public domain, that is still respectful. And then there
are ways that crossover into dancing on the grave in
front of the widow and maligning the father in front.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Of the children.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
And there's been some of that online, a lot of
that online, and I think people have some soul searching
to do.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I really do. I think that people need to understand.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
It's a vicious and vile and disgusting thing to attack
Charlie's family that you know is still here in that
way when he's not there to defend them. I will
also say there have been people who are very close
to Charlie who I think, unfortunately, I guess I don't
know if they're just cowardly or they're just too afraid
(31:18):
they won't speak up about this. I wasn't close to Charlie,
nowither were you. I didn't know Charlie well, I didn't
know his wife, and we tend to stay out of
the interpersonal, uh you know, nastiness of conservative podcaster and
media world, which I think is because we don't want
to waste any of your time. But there are people
that I know who many of you would know. I'm
(31:40):
not going to name them because it's not about that,
but some of you know who I'm talking about, who
are extremely close to Charlie Clay. I mean, they've built
their careers on Charlie's coattails and they are silent while
people say that this was Israel, or this was Turning Point,
or this is whatever, and I just think, I'm man,
I don't know, there's something. There's some things you got
(32:04):
to fight, no matter what the outcome is. You've just
got to stand and fight. And there are people who
have been quiet and all that who are Turning Point
employees or were people who were close to Charlie, and
it's been disappointing to see that that much.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I will say, we'll play some of that audio maybe
for people out there. I do think we have an
obligation to push back because there's so much crazy out there,
and now that all the evidence is coming out, this
is overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
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Welcome back in here to play, and Buck, we are
going to take her content at a Friday.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
We have a lot we want to talk you about.
And continue on with this. This big trial that it's not.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
The trial is actually not under way, to be clear,
it's tough to it's the preliminary hearings in advance of
the trial. Trial hasn't even been set yet. But at
the hearing there's sworn testimony and sworn evidence and all
this that is essentially the basis for what the trial
will be, should there be a trial. That's what this
hearing is about. Yes, there should be a trial. I
do wonder, Clay, if at some point this will turn
into you know, I think that they're probably going to
(34:29):
just say, look, well we'll plead just death penalty has
to be off the table. And I wonder if the
State of Utah is gonna I wonder if they would
offer that. I mean, I think that's what the defense
is going to say. I don't know if the State
of Utah is going to accept that.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
So there's that.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, I mean, I think unfortunately, because of all of
the because of all of the conspiracy theories out there,
I think there's an argument the state of Utah doesn't
want to allow anything other than and a full trial
so that everybody can actually see all the evidence here,
(35:06):
because it is overwhelming and we have a cut. Do
we have time, Let's play this at the top of
the next hour, because I think it's a little bit long.
Tommy and Louisiana, You've got a way in here. We're
talking about two different dads on this perspective. One is
testifying against his son, the other is there to see
his son's killer held accountable. And you're thinking about that
(35:27):
from your perspective.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Yeah, man, I have a twenty two year old son
that's a senior in college. We're both huge Charlie Kirk fans.
We both voted for Trump, both conservative. But I got
to tell you, man, if that was my son, there's
no way I could test against him in courts or
do anything to go against my child. I just couldn't
(35:52):
do it. There was no way.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I understand that. Thank you for the call.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I mean, look, there's the marital the spouse provision Buck
where basically you can't compel one spouse to testify against another,
and there's a privilege inside of a marriage. I think
there's a lot of dads out there that would be similar, Like,
even if they knew their son had done something like this,
testifying against him in a court where he might face
the death penalty is overwhelmingly difficult to do. The fact
(36:19):
that this dad is I couldn't I couldn't do it. Yeah,
I couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
The fact that this dad is.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Doing it, I think so many of you dads out
there just think about that he's Can you imagine lying
and saying, oh, yeah, my dad, my son committed this murder.
I mean, the fact that he's testifying against him. To
me as an open and Chuck Tase, I can't even
imagine anything else. We'll come back Final Hour the week
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