April 16, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show is a data‑driven, politics‑heavy hour led by Buck Sexton and built around electoral strategy, immigration policy, polling analytics, and intra‑party accountability. The centerpiece of Hour 2 is an extended interview with political data analyst Ryan Girdusky (host of It’s a Numbers Game), who breaks down the sudden collapse of Eric Swalwell’s California gubernatorial campaign. Buck and Girdusky describe Swalwell’s exit as one of the fastest political implosions in modern politics and analyze how his former support is splintering among Democratic contenders such as Tom Steyer and local California officials. They explain how California’s top‑two primary system could theoretically allow Republicans to lock Democrats out of the general election—but only if GOP candidates aggressively consolidate independent voters, a task Girdusky says remains extremely difficult.
The conversation then pivots to national polling and President Donald Trump’s approval numbers, particularly in the context of the ongoing Iran blockade. Girdusky acknowledges Trump’s polling dip but notes that Republican support has stabilized rather than collapsed, avoiding the kind of freefall seen during past administrations. He emphasizes that economic issues—especially tax refunds, take‑home pay, and “no tax on tips” policies—matter far more to voters than foreign policy and argues that Republicans should relentlessly campaign on economic improvements rather than geopolitical conflicts.
Immigration becomes a dominant theme as Girdusky announces the launch of Homeland PAC, a new political action committee designed to defend Republicans who oppose amnesty and to primary GOP lawmakers who support it. Buck strongly endorses this strategy and follows with a detailed critique of recent House Republicans who voted with Democrats to extend Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for Haitian migrants—status originally granted in 2010 and repeatedly renewed. Buck argues that TPS has become de facto permanent immigration, undermining the rule of law, and sharply criticizes both Democrats and Republicans who support extensions as engaging in backdoor amnesty.
Hour 2 also includes a broader philosophical discussion on immigration policy and national identity. Buck pushes back on the common political phrase “a nation of immigrants,” arguing it oversimplifies American history and is frequently used to justify unchecked legal and illegal immigration. He calls for slower, more selective legal immigration, reduced chain migration, and stricter enforcement, including reforms to asylum abuse and visa programs such as H‑1B. Buck expresses cautious confidence in DHS Secretary Markwayne Mullin but warns Republicans against adopting Democratic language that blurs enforcement priorities.
The hour closes with listener interactions, including a memorable call from a 98‑year‑old listener highlighting accessibility concerns for audiobooks, showcasing Buck’s personal engagement with the audience. The tone throughout Hour 2 blends polling analysis, strategic campaign insight, immigration enforcement arguments, and grassroots accountability—positioning this segment as a deep dive into the mechanics of elections and policy rather than headline commentary.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, second hour of Play and Buck kicks off
right now. Our buddy Ryan Gridusky joins us. It's a
numbers Game, is his podcast, and it has numbers rocketing
up the charts. My friends, the more you guys want
to listen, or rather the more you listen, the more
you love it because you learn political insights, you learn
things that people don't know out there. Because we brought
(00:22):
in Ryan to be our guy who looks at the data,
separates the signal from the noise. It's a numbers game,
is that podcast? And the clay on Buck network. You
definitely want to check that out, mister Gradusky. Always a
pleasure to have you on, sir, Thanks for making.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
The time, Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Let's let's dive into this if you would, if you
would for me, Brian, the what happens now as you
see it in the California governor's race with the Swallwell
First off, First, would you agree that that the demolition
of small Swallwell was the fastest, most effective crushing of
(00:58):
a political future we've ever seen in the shortest period
of time. Maybe there's somebody else who comes to mind,
let me know. And then what happens now among those
Democrat candidates, we got these Republicans like Steve Hilton, who
we had on because I think a lot of eyes
because of this, you know, Swallow in a sense has
gotten even more attention on the governor's race, because that's
obviously a big part of why he was on the
(01:20):
radar in the first place. So walk us through this,
what happens in your mind?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Well, yes, so Slowell's, I mean Swallow's demise was extremely fast.
I mean even Anthony Wiener was able to hold on
for a longer period of time. And I thought, honestly,
Slowe was going to stay in the Governm's race no
matter what. I guess losing all of his supporters was
too much for his ego to handle. And it was
the biggest whisper in Washington. You see, everyone had heard
stories of Slalo for a very long time. So it's
(01:45):
not surprising Swallowell's support has been splintered now among a
lot of different candidates. Becsera is now gaining a lot
of support. There's another candidate who's the San Jose mayor
who's gained a little bit of his support, and obviously
Tom Steyer, who's spending a gajillion dollars to become the
governor is got a lot of support. Here's the problem
for Republicans face right now. Republicans in the latest Emerson
(02:06):
Paul are the first and second leading candidate. If whoever
comes to the top two goes on to the general election,
I mean they would lock out the Democrats out of
the governorship and one of the Republicans become governor. The
problem is is of the undecided voters who are left,
the smallest pool of undecided voters are Republicans. Republicans ninety
percent know who they're voting for. There's only ten percent
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left versus about a quarter of Democrats and a quarter
of Independents. For a Republican to kind of milk out
whatever juice they can, they really need to slice into
what a third of the independent vote that's left. That's
going to be kind of difficult. In the last two
governors races, Republicans got a on forty forty one percent
of the vote in California. There's maybe eight points left
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to be generous left for the two leading Republican candidates.
The rest are going to go to Democrats. If it's
divided equally which probably is not going to happen, and
then they are taking the lock of the Democrat. Aside
from that, I see probably either a Styre or you know,
maybe a Beck Sarah coming in second place.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
We'll see though, so you're pretty Look, we would love
it if our friend Steve Hilton could pull this off,
but it sounds like it's a really overwhelming favorite that
it will be a Democrat even with it, and maybe
it makes it. Do you buy by the way that
the Swallwell push out demolition, whatever you want to call it,
(03:31):
was because at some level he made things such a
mess for the Democrats by the numbers or was the
timing more coincidental? The women just were sick of seeing
his face on TV and the media realized he's not
a protected one anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I think that no one took him seriously until he
was leading in all the polls and all the unions
are rallying around him, and I think a number of
women were like, Wow, he really can't be governor. I
think that I don't think that anyone took him as
seriously as that he was going to be the next
governor until the polls shot up in his favor. Now
his name will, by like, will appear on the ballot.
They can't take that off, so there'll be some vote
that will go with Slawwall just because his name will
(04:07):
be on the in the print. I don't think it
was like this inside coordinated effect because they if that
was true, they would have done it before his name
was printed on the ballot to get, you know, to
stop anyone from kind of voting for him by accident.
Even so, I don't believe it was an inside job.
I think that women were coming forward. I know people
who have come forward on different occasions for different things,
and it's less politically planned than likely Hilton. Hilton is
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the most likely to make it to a general election.
The question is does Bianco maybe get three or four
more points in the primary to join him in that
general election. I really think that that's really the big
question and where that number goes. So, I mean, it
has to really be perfect for the Republicans to lock
up the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Now talk to me about how Trump is doing and
obviously that will affect Republican's fortunes tremendously in the mid terms,
or I would I would think they would with this
Iran situation continuing to now it's ongoing. We're not blowing
up stuff. We say he might blow up more stuff.
We've got this blockade in place in the Strait. It
(05:09):
does look like Iran is somewhat cornered right now on this. Yeah.
I know CNN and others want to tell everybody that
Trump is bleeding support and it's a disaster and everything else.
But is that the case? Are we really seeing that?
Or if things stay pretty status quo on this and
oil prices don't you know, go to one hundred and
twenty dollars a barrel or something, is this not going
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to matter all that much in the fall? How do
you see that?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, Trump's numbers have fallen. I mean, but the good
thing for Republicans is they've kind of plateaued around in
the mid to high thirties. Not where you want to be,
not for the midterm elections for sure, But we haven't
seen another drop like It wasn't like the Bush years
where all of a sudden he went to the high twenties.
They've kind of stayed between the mid and the high thirties.
A lot of coalition around Trump that's falling apart are
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people who make less than fifty thousand dollars a year,
young people and Latinos, and there's a lot of crossover
among those three groups really have led support. The one
good thing is is that among older people there hasn't
been as much bleeding.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
What I think right now.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Republicans should really be doing is talking about who's getting
cash rebates and their taxes because of the new tax law,
especially workers who get those tax on tips very popular
and some people have told me that it's like a
life changing amount of money that they've gotten back. So
I would be campaigning right now on the economy and
talking about the economy. The economy really hinges on everything.
People don't like the foreign policy, not because they think
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that Iran's going to win or not because they're rooting
for Iran, because they feel like it's a distraction from
the economy. It really all goes back to how is
the economy doing? And they look at the jobs, the
job numbers not being terrific overall last month was pretty
good though. They look at the wage growth, they look
at the inflation, and they say, where is what you promise?
It's all really going down to the economy and if
(06:55):
you can kind of make this miracle of the economy
come back from the first term.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
And now you have an announcement for this audience that
I wanted to give you the opportunity to tell everybody
about because it certainly ties into a critical issue of
the moment. What have you got cooking? What do you
got cooking? Ryan?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
So I launched a new pack, a new super pac
called Homeland Pack.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Can go to homeland pack dot com.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And basically what I'm doing now after decades of Republicans
promising strong borders and immigration enforcement, they.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Have broken their promises time and time again.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
And we've seen now with Maria Salazar the latest bill
to bring amnesty to illegal aliens. And so this pack
was created to one defend Republicans who are really good
on immigration, and two to defeat Republicans and primaries are
really bad. There are millions of dollars swirling around from
special interest groups, from big corporations to promote amnesty, to
promote cheap labor.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I'm going to do the opposite.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I'm going to do it with you know, hopefully some
big donors will come my way, but also from grassroots
donors the way I did with the seventeen seventy six
Project Pack. I want to do with Homeland Pack and
make sure we defeat these Republicans who are supporting amnesty.
We can't afford an amnesty, not even salas our quote
unquote skinny anesty. Will all come down to citizenship on
a massive level, and we will be in a situation
(08:06):
like we are in California. We can't afford any more amnesty.
So homelandpac dot com will go out specifically only about immigration,
defending Republicans. We're a good immigration and beating them who are.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Bad in immigration.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Speaking about immigration, and you mentioned Tom Steyer before, who
I like to tell everybody Tom Steyer is an inspiration
because it's a reminder to all Americans that you two
can become a billionaire even if you have no wisdom,
no personality, and no redeeming quality in your politics whatsoever.
(08:39):
So there's that he's really he's a climate change wackado,
which is easy to be easy when you're flying around
on private jets and everything else. But his immigration policy,
as it would be for the governor of California if
you were to become that. I read this and I
thought to myself, is this too crazy even for California,
or how does the Democrat Party message this? And it
(09:03):
was you know what I'm talking about. He's put out
this new immigration blueprint for californ which obviously it's a
federal issue. And I look at this. I'm saying, this guy,
Tom Steyer, is is nuts. Like no lessons have been
learned by Democrats at all on immigration. It feels like
they just want to double down on all the failures
of the past.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
And the biggest irony is Tom Steier's portfolio. Financial portfolio
is a lot on immigration because he works with the
private prisons who apprehend and deport illegal immigrants. So everything
about him is utterly fraudulent. Yeah, he makes a lot
of money because of deporting illegal alien.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Can I pause you for just to give you some
of the things so his for his gubernatorial campaign. We
have abolish ice, put ice in jail, and all cooperation
with federal law enforcement. A legal defense fund, which I
think is taxpayer funded, sent out to make sure that
deportations are effectively impossible. California is going to have its
(10:01):
own defense fund, and legalizing like reinstating DACA and DAPPA.
Like the guys the governor are not the president but
he's as far left on immigration as I think anybody
in the Democrat Party is right now.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, well, he's trying to put out a flank. He
can't do like any of those things, Like I mean,
I guess he can create a public fund in California.
Aside from that, he can't do a single solitary one
of these promises. And I think his investment portfolio point
of Fox's was two hundred and fifty million dollars He's
made off of the detention of illegal immigrants, So he
has a financial incentive not even to do any of
(10:37):
these things. He's he's become wealthy than almost every you know,
the ninety nine point nine percent of Americans because they're
deporting illegal aliens.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, this is listen.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
He's trying to corner and make sure no one can
get further left from him on an issue that galvanizes
not just a group of Hispanics and the ethnic lobby,
but also angry white liberals who have made hating Ice
equal to hating the president. And that's really what he's
trying to signal too, is I will be your ultimate advocate,
and I'm going to do the most radical things against.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
The federal government.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I mean, he might as well be saying, you know,
he's going to do what they didn't ruby Ridge with
attacking federal agents. It doesn't work out in your favor.
You have no ability to do any of those things.
But it's not about like having a coherent message of
what you can do. It's all about trust trying to
fight Trump.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
What's next for it's a numbers game. You've already got
something in the docket or are you're still figuring out
what numbers do you want?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Front a deep dive on the Virginia election. Why is
Abigail Spamberger's numbers crashing? Who is leaving her coalition? Remember,
Virginia has local state legislative elections in twenty twenty seven
and the Democrats have a one c majority in the
state Senate. So can there be a referendum on ABAGAILT Bamberger?
How is it looking for the referendum? Why is it
(11:47):
so close? Where can this happen? And it's going to
be a great episode, So I'm looking forward to that
coming out.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Just real quick on that is is it something? Has
it become clear to enough voters in Virginia? Do you
think that Spamberger ran as like, Hey, I'm just like
a mom and a moderate, and then as soon as
she was in power, it was like, I am a
Marxist lunatic who wants to take your guns and raise
your taxes.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Well, the interesting thing is Spamberger is losing support from
both low income voters and high income voters. And we're
seeing with the referendum on redistricting a forty one point
flip away from Spamberger from she won independence by seventeen
points right now the referendum is losing an independence by
twenty four points, a tremendous forty one point shift among
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that group in just six months. I think I think
her presidential ambitions are really coming to a close, very
very quickly in this administration.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Brian ger Dusk everybody, it's a numbers game? Is the podcast?
And what's the pack again?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Ryan ollmanpack dot com? Check it out?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
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our political conversations. Right now, we're showing us where things
are going. I'm still I'm still cautiously optimistic that Republicans
have a fighting chance to keep the House and the
Senate this fall. And I think that Trump is managing
the situation in Iran now with he, I would not
want to be on the other side of the negotiating
table from him. I'll put it to you that way.
(14:35):
I would certainly not want to be in the position
of the molocracy in Tehran. And you know, last night
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time there. It's just far enough from Miami Beach that
it's a little bit of a hike for me, especially
if I could go during rush hour. But we had
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there for Manufacturing Delusion, and I was really gratified at
how many people came and they wanted to get books signed.
Which was really fun, and I just love seeing people
who because it's mostly listeners to this show, although some
(15:17):
that are just readers of the book. But if anyway,
Manufacturing Delusion is doing really well and people like it
so much. I had many people come up with me
last night that said that they have bought a second copy.
In this case, some of them wanted the second copy signed,
or they wanted a copy sign so they could give
away the copy that they already bought. But they're giving
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them away to other people because I think it's important
for them to read, and I would have to agree
with that. I think that it's really necessary to understand
mind manipulation and mass medium manipulation these days, understand the
history of it as well as the practice of it today.
So if you haven't yet trusted me on this one,
please go get a copy of Manufacturing Delusion. Amazon's the
(16:01):
easiest way to do it. Your local bookstore may have it,
but they probably have some trying to live trash in
the front because bookstores, unfortunately have been bookstores and fancy
coffee shops have been just completely overtaken by the anarchist
left or the communist left. So that's a thing that's
going on, and yeah, please please go get a copy.
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And if you already have one, great time to get
a copy to give to someone in your life. I'm
a big believer in we need books. We really do.
I mean, as a society, as a civilization, we need
to be reading books. There's so much short form content.
Everything is click scroll, click, scroll, click scroll. We are
I think part of the book is conditioning, of course,
(16:44):
Pavlovian conditioning, and getting into the origins of how that
was then applied to mind manipulation by totalitarian regimes. But
we are doing this to ourselves. One of the reasons
I think also radio has the power that it does
is you know, look, you can join us for five minutes,
and we appreciate that, but you can join us for
three hours and we really have time to talk here.
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Clay and I really have the ability to get into
things with you, to think them through together, to communicate them.
It's not all just this, you know, click click click,
school school scroll click click click, And this is affecting
people's attention spans, I'm telling you, And it is such
a good practice. I try to I read every night
before I go to sleep. I think I told you
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usually about half an hour forty five minutes. But I
don't read about stuff here. I just read a book.
Usually it's almost always a history book. But it's separate
from my work here, which I do, of course read
in in the morning, just like Rush used to morning prep.
But there's just nothing that beats an old school book
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few minutes ago about my friend Ryan Gerdusky of our
podcast network and his pack that is going to try
to primary. People always ask, you know, how can you
how can you do anything about these Republicans betraying us
and all this? Well, you can primary them. You can
(19:13):
primary Republicans who don't keep their word. That's a very
good place to start. In fact, one of the worst
things that I think the GOP Party faithful do, I'm
politically speaking, is just get lazy and just vote for
this incumbent year well not year after year, but election
after election. And then they complain and then they see
(19:35):
them on Fox News and they go, oh, I'll still
vote for that guy because he's on Fox News sometimes
I go, well, but just because he says the right
things on Fox maybe gets decent ratings when he does
or she does, depends, doesn't mean that this is the
person you want representing your state or your district in
the United States Congress. Right, I mean, we can understand
(19:56):
the difference in that, I would think, But sure enough
GOP primary voters can be quite a bit on the
lazy side about this stuff. But I bring you this
on the immigration front. This is Bill Malujin from Fox
News reporting six House Republicans have voted with Democrats to
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advance and this was yesterday to advance Representative Aana Presley
her temporary protected status for Haitian's extension for three more years.
The motion passed two nineteen to two nine. It will
go down to a final House vote. Guys, check on
(20:39):
this one of the final House voters. Because this was
from yesterday, this is today. I assume at some point
the six House GOP members to vote with Democrats were
Representative Don Bacon of Nebraska. This is every radio host
nightmare when they only have the state with the initials
and it's like a little bit of a It's like
(20:59):
a high school, not even high school a grade school
social studies test. Can I get all the Florida I
can get? Right? Fl Representative Maria Salazar, Florida, Carlos him Andez, Florida,
Brian Fitzpatrick, Pennsylvania, Mike Lawler, New York, Nicole Mellyatakis, New York.
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I'm a little surprised to see Representative melayattackus on there.
Huh interesting? Okay, Anyway, there's also a Kevin Kylie who's
a California Independent but caucuses with Republicans. He voted for Democrats.
Let's talk about this issue for a second, and then
we can talk about more of keeping order on our
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side on the immigration issue and not letting this stuff
slip away, and not letting betrayals happen that will go
politically unpunished. The idea that Haitians should get their protected
status continued is on its face absurd. You'll notice that
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the statute or the statutory authority here is temporary protected status.
Temporary protected status as in it does not last forever.
And yet temporary protected status. Haitians have been here in
this country since you want to guess, say it out
(22:28):
loud if you want. January two, thy and ten January,
three hundred and fifty thousand people. Three hundred and fifty
thousand Haitians have had their temporary protected status extended over
sixteen years. I think we're gonna have to change this.
(22:52):
We can't call it TPS or temporary protected status because
it is clearly not being treated as temporary. DHS announced
a termination of this for August third of twenty twenty five,
but a court stayed that terminating. So the courts won't
let us end it. Obviously, some activists judge, the Democrats
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and even some Republicans want to extend it. Why this
is not supposed to be a backdoor immigration policy. But
that's exactly what it has been treated as. As in
we call it temporary, but then they stay forever. Same
kind of game they play with asylum. Oh, they're just
applying for asylum. If they don't get it, they'll leave.
(23:36):
They know that's not true. When they don't get asylum,
they just disappear into the American interior. They don't send
they don't show up at their hearings. It is a backdoor,
illegal way to get permanent status in America. People say, oh,
it's legal when they apply for asylum, not when they
don't show up for hearings, which a huge percentage of
them don't. But how can we have a country when
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so much when one half of the voters roughly maybe
it's less than half, call it forty five percent, but
certainly one of the two major political parties, and a
slew of NGOs, including taxpayer enabled if not funded ERNGYA,
a slew of left wing activist groups, and they all
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want and of course the judges, a lot of left
wing judges, they want to make it impossible to enforce
immigration law. Now this can you can go back to
Plato's The Republic on this is a law that is
not enforced really a law?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Does it?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
At what point does it cease to be a law?
I think we've seen this now tested many times over
on immigration and this extension of temporary protected status. No,
the American people were very nice, very nice to allow
three hundred and fifty thousand Haitians to stay here for
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sixteen years. Haiti has been an independent country. I believe
it's the second oldest democracy in the Western Hemisphere. Haiti
has been an independent country for a long time, and
they got to fix their own problems. So the extension
of this. Clearly, some of these Republicans, I would think
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must have some Haitian diaspora community or TPS diaspora community
in their district, and so this is pure politics for them.
I would guess that's certainly the case for some of
the like the New York representative that I mentioned. But
now this brings me to something else we've had on
the show, and I'm going to give him the benefit
of the doubt on this one, but we have had
(25:39):
on the show and enjoy talking to him. Former Senator
now DHS Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen, who has seemed like
a good guy. I do not agree with some of
his commentary about rand Paul's attack. Just to be clear,
I think that some of that was just over the
line nasty. Now he's a lot the First amendmenties allowed
(26:01):
to say it, but I think it was kind of
jerk stuff to say. But put that aside for a second.
Mark Wayne, I think aligns with this show on a
vast majority of issues, and that is what is most
important to me for a DHS secretary. That and competency.
I think Christy Nome had alignment because she just does
(26:23):
whatever she was trying to do whatever Trump told her
to do, which is fine, did not have competency and
of course had a lot of vulnerabilities, shall we say,
politically and otherwise that came to the forefront. So I'm
just gonna say the DHS Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen went
on Fox News and he said this, and I want
(26:44):
to push a little bit, a little little bit on
this play eleven.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
And take advantage of the United States generosity. But the
problem is is that we want immigration.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
We want legal immigration, people that want to make the
country stronger.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
We're a nation of immigrants.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
We understand it, kind of, I got the right kind.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I don't like that we're a nation of immigrants thing.
It's really not true. We're a nation of Americans actually.
I mean, there are immigrants here who have joined the
American family over time. But this idea that because here's
what this. If we're a nation of immigrants, do we
become something else if we don't keep bringing in immigrants.
I think we've had too much immigration in recient decades.
(27:22):
I think the numbers bear that out quite clearly, and
I think that it puts major strain on the forces
the societal, political, economic, and historic forces that tie us
together in what the ancient Greeks would have called the
polity right, a political and ideological union, some sense of
(27:43):
a cohesive thing that is America and that binds together
the American people. And we know that we've in Europe,
they've been forced to really think about this. If you
have some country like Sweden with ten million Swedes, well,
if you put five millillion Iraqis, which they didn't have
that many, But if you put five million Iraqis in
(28:03):
a country with ten million suites, it's a different country.
The place changes, right, So that people have had to
see play out in real time, they can understand that
we've had far too much illegal immigration. We've probably had
far too much legal immigration. Oh no, well, I believe
we have. People can disagree on that, but on the
illegal side, and I think they'd be wrong for disagree
(28:23):
with That's okay. On the illegal side. There's no question
that we have been inundated. We have been swamped with
illegal crossings and overstays and other evasions of our immigration
laws in this country. So we want legal immigration. Yes,
as a general matter, we want legal immigration. The Secretary
of DHS is correct in that should we have a
(28:45):
conversation about having less legal immigration at this point in America. Yes,
we really should get to a This is just people
who are contributing and making America better and more prosperous,
is safer, smarter, all of those things, and we better
be really sure that that's what we're getting. And that
(29:07):
means a slower and more vetted process. It means a
lot less chain migration. I was just hearing from somebody
the other day. Oh, you know, in my country, we
h my parents or one of my parents want to
like a green card lottery thing, and now the whole
family of like eight people is being sponsored to come here.
(29:27):
So just understand when they say, oh, there's a green
card lottery with I don't know what the number is,
you know, in the tens of thousands of people. Well,
but there's this whole effort then to bring the whole
family too. And that's often the case with people, whether
it's they're here for a whole range of different temporary
(29:48):
lawful reasons. H one B visas is another example of this.
Why will H one be visa holders take less pay
than people doing the same work, because they will, and
we know that, why are they more malleable to the
wishes of management. Hence why they are preferable for some
(30:12):
unscrupulous American businesses in hiring. Well, it is because their
status is tied to that visa, which means it's harder
for them to move around. People will say, oh, no,
they can't. No, it is harder. But also they can
get to the front of the green card line, and
then if they get that, then they can start to
try to sponsor more of their family to come in,
(30:33):
which is a huge benefit. So yeah, getting paid fifteen
hudor twenty percent under market to do clerical work for
a few years, that feels a whole lot more attractive
to somebody from a third world country if they think
they can stay forever and then bring their whole family
in here. This is why the immigration issue is I
think the most important issue in the country right now.
(30:56):
It should be the most important issue to voters, and
the trumpetmen has done some very good things on this,
but the job is unfinished, to be sure, not even
close to finished. So the DHS secretary, we're a nation
of immigrants. That is that is really a non truth.
(31:17):
It's not untrue, but it is a non truth, or
it is an incomplete truth to say about this country,
and it plays right into the rhetoric of democrats. They're
the ones that I've been saying this for so long.
We're a nation of immigrants. No really, we're a nation
of founders, of pioneers, of builders, of people who came
here without the promise of endless welfare benefits, without a
(31:42):
DEI infrastructure, ready to claim victimhood for them at the
hands of America, even though they came to America because
they have a skin color that falls into the protected
classes of DEI here. It's a very different thing to
show up in America today than it was to show
up in nineteen twenty or eighteen twenty or seventeen twenty
(32:04):
for that matter. It's a very different thing that people
face and treating it as similar treating a voyage on
a wooden ship that ends up with people landing at
Plymouth Rock where they face death, the entire voyage, from disease,
from shipwreck, from any number of things, as similar to
I scrape together two hundred bucks to get on a
(32:26):
cheap international flight. Now I'm in America. There's an insult
to our intelligence that occurs with that. So we should
not be going around saying we're a nation of immigrants.
We're a nation that allows some immigrants and has had
waves of immigration, but historically has also had stops in
(32:48):
the immigration waves to allow Americans to be America, or
rather America to be of Americans. That is a thing
that happens in our history as well. So I just
I want clarity on that one. I think Mark Wayne
is aligned. I think he's I think he's gonna do
a good job. But we shouldn't be going around on
(33:09):
TV as Republicans in this moment. I think saying we're
a nation of immigrants might as well say, oh, I
llgals do the jobs Americans won't do, another thing that
they love to say. Or immigrants have a lower crime
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Speaker 4 (35:27):
Well, thank you, Yes, you said it right, and thank
you for taking my call. And I have a message.
You know, I'm ninety eight years old and I used
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I have a son that has Trump arrangement syndrome, and
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We'll come back to the third hour here, team, stay
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All right, second hour of Play and Buck kicks off
right now. Our buddy Ryan Gridusky joins us. It's a
numbers Game, is his podcast, and it has numbers rocketing
up the charts. My friends, the more you guys want
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separates the signal from the noise. It's a numbers game,
is that podcast? And the clay on Buck network. You
definitely want to check that out, mister Gradusky. Always a
pleasure to have you on, sir, Thanks for making.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
The time, Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Let's let's dive into this if you would, if you
would for me, Brian, the what happens now as you
see it in the California governor's race with the Swallwell
First off, First, would you agree that that the demolition
of small Swallwell was the fastest, most effective crushing of
(00:58):
a political future we've ever seen in the shortest period
of time. Maybe there's somebody else who comes to mind,
let me know. And then what happens now among those
Democrat candidates, we got these Republicans like Steve Hilton, who
we had on because I think a lot of eyes
because of this, you know, Swallow in a sense has
gotten even more attention on the governor's race, because that's
obviously a big part of why he was on the
(01:20):
radar in the first place. So walk us through this,
what happens in your mind?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Well, yes, so Slowell's, I mean Swallow's demise was extremely fast.
I mean even Anthony Wiener was able to hold on
for a longer period of time. And I thought, honestly,
Slowe was going to stay in the Governm's race no
matter what. I guess losing all of his supporters was
too much for his ego to handle. And it was
the biggest whisper in Washington. You see, everyone had heard
stories of Slalo for a very long time. So it's
(01:45):
not surprising Swallowell's support has been splintered now among a
lot of different candidates. Becsera is now gaining a lot
of support. There's another candidate who's the San Jose mayor
who's gained a little bit of his support, and obviously
Tom Steyer, who's spending a gajillion dollars to become the
governor is got a lot of support. Here's the problem
for Republicans face right now. Republicans in the latest Emerson
(02:06):
Paul are the first and second leading candidate. If whoever
comes to the top two goes on to the general election,
I mean they would lock out the Democrats out of
the governorship and one of the Republicans become governor. The
problem is is of the undecided voters who are left,
the smallest pool of undecided voters are Republicans. Republicans ninety
percent know who they're voting for. There's only ten percent
(02:28):
left versus about a quarter of Democrats and a quarter
of Independents. For a Republican to kind of milk out
whatever juice they can, they really need to slice into
what a third of the independent vote that's left. That's
going to be kind of difficult. In the last two
governors races, Republicans got a on forty forty one percent
of the vote in California. There's maybe eight points left
(02:51):
to be generous left for the two leading Republican candidates.
The rest are going to go to Democrats. If it's
divided equally which probably is not going to happen, and
then they are taking the lock of the Democrat. Aside
from that, I see probably either a Styre or you know,
maybe a Beck Sarah coming in second place.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
We'll see though, so you're pretty Look, we would love
it if our friend Steve Hilton could pull this off,
but it sounds like it's a really overwhelming favorite that
it will be a Democrat even with it, and maybe
it makes it. Do you buy by the way that
the Swallwell push out demolition, whatever you want to call it,
(03:31):
was because at some level he made things such a
mess for the Democrats by the numbers or was the
timing more coincidental? The women just were sick of seeing
his face on TV and the media realized he's not
a protected one anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I think that no one took him seriously until he
was leading in all the polls and all the unions
are rallying around him, and I think a number of
women were like, Wow, he really can't be governor. I
think that I don't think that anyone took him as
seriously as that he was going to be the next
governor until the polls shot up in his favor. Now
his name will, by like, will appear on the ballot.
They can't take that off, so there'll be some vote
that will go with Slawwall just because his name will
(04:07):
be on the in the print. I don't think it
was like this inside coordinated effect because they if that
was true, they would have done it before his name
was printed on the ballot to get, you know, to
stop anyone from kind of voting for him by accident.
Even so, I don't believe it was an inside job.
I think that women were coming forward. I know people
who have come forward on different occasions for different things,
and it's less politically planned than likely Hilton. Hilton is
(04:30):
the most likely to make it to a general election.
The question is does Bianco maybe get three or four
more points in the primary to join him in that
general election. I really think that that's really the big
question and where that number goes. So, I mean, it
has to really be perfect for the Republicans to lock
up the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Now talk to me about how Trump is doing and
obviously that will affect Republican's fortunes tremendously in the mid terms,
or I would I would think they would with this
Iran situation continuing to now it's ongoing. We're not blowing
up stuff. We say he might blow up more stuff.
We've got this blockade in place in the Strait. It
(05:09):
does look like Iran is somewhat cornered right now on this. Yeah.
I know CNN and others want to tell everybody that
Trump is bleeding support and it's a disaster and everything else.
But is that the case? Are we really seeing that?
Or if things stay pretty status quo on this and
oil prices don't you know, go to one hundred and
twenty dollars a barrel or something, is this not going
(05:32):
to matter all that much in the fall? How do
you see that?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, Trump's numbers have fallen. I mean, but the good
thing for Republicans is they've kind of plateaued around in
the mid to high thirties. Not where you want to be,
not for the midterm elections for sure, But we haven't
seen another drop like It wasn't like the Bush years
where all of a sudden he went to the high twenties.
They've kind of stayed between the mid and the high thirties.
A lot of coalition around Trump that's falling apart are
(05:59):
people who make less than fifty thousand dollars a year,
young people and Latinos, and there's a lot of crossover
among those three groups really have led support. The one
good thing is is that among older people there hasn't
been as much bleeding.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
What I think right now.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Republicans should really be doing is talking about who's getting
cash rebates and their taxes because of the new tax law,
especially workers who get those tax on tips very popular
and some people have told me that it's like a
life changing amount of money that they've gotten back. So
I would be campaigning right now on the economy and
talking about the economy. The economy really hinges on everything.
People don't like the foreign policy, not because they think
(06:34):
that Iran's going to win or not because they're rooting
for Iran, because they feel like it's a distraction from
the economy. It really all goes back to how is
the economy doing? And they look at the jobs, the
job numbers not being terrific overall last month was pretty
good though. They look at the wage growth, they look
at the inflation, and they say, where is what you promise?
It's all really going down to the economy and if
(06:55):
you can kind of make this miracle of the economy
come back from the first term.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
And now you have an announcement for this audience that
I wanted to give you the opportunity to tell everybody
about because it certainly ties into a critical issue of
the moment. What have you got cooking? What do you
got cooking? Ryan?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
So I launched a new pack, a new super pac
called Homeland Pack.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Can go to homeland pack dot com.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And basically what I'm doing now after decades of Republicans
promising strong borders and immigration enforcement, they.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Have broken their promises time and time again.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
And we've seen now with Maria Salazar the latest bill
to bring amnesty to illegal aliens. And so this pack
was created to one defend Republicans who are really good
on immigration, and two to defeat Republicans and primaries are
really bad. There are millions of dollars swirling around from
special interest groups, from big corporations to promote amnesty, to
promote cheap labor.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I'm going to do the opposite.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I'm going to do it with you know, hopefully some
big donors will come my way, but also from grassroots
donors the way I did with the seventeen seventy six
Project Pack. I want to do with Homeland Pack and
make sure we defeat these Republicans who are supporting amnesty.
We can't afford an amnesty, not even salas our quote
unquote skinny anesty. Will all come down to citizenship on
a massive level, and we will be in a situation
(08:06):
like we are in California. We can't afford any more amnesty.
So homelandpac dot com will go out specifically only about immigration,
defending Republicans. We're a good immigration and beating them who are.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Bad in immigration.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Speaking about immigration, and you mentioned Tom Steyer before, who
I like to tell everybody Tom Steyer is an inspiration
because it's a reminder to all Americans that you two
can become a billionaire even if you have no wisdom,
no personality, and no redeeming quality in your politics whatsoever.
(08:39):
So there's that he's really he's a climate change wackado,
which is easy to be easy when you're flying around
on private jets and everything else. But his immigration policy,
as it would be for the governor of California if
you were to become that. I read this and I
thought to myself, is this too crazy even for California,
or how does the Democrat Party message this? And it
(09:03):
was you know what I'm talking about. He's put out
this new immigration blueprint for californ which obviously it's a
federal issue. And I look at this. I'm saying, this guy,
Tom Steyer, is is nuts. Like no lessons have been
learned by Democrats at all on immigration. It feels like
they just want to double down on all the failures
of the past.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
And the biggest irony is Tom Steier's portfolio. Financial portfolio
is a lot on immigration because he works with the
private prisons who apprehend and deport illegal immigrants. So everything
about him is utterly fraudulent. Yeah, he makes a lot
of money because of deporting illegal alien.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Can I pause you for just to give you some
of the things so his for his gubernatorial campaign. We
have abolish ice, put ice in jail, and all cooperation
with federal law enforcement. A legal defense fund, which I
think is taxpayer funded, sent out to make sure that
deportations are effectively impossible. California is going to have its
(10:01):
own defense fund, and legalizing like reinstating DACA and DAPPA.
Like the guys the governor are not the president but
he's as far left on immigration as I think anybody
in the Democrat Party is right now.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, well, he's trying to put out a flank. He
can't do like any of those things, Like I mean,
I guess he can create a public fund in California.
Aside from that, he can't do a single solitary one
of these promises. And I think his investment portfolio point
of Fox's was two hundred and fifty million dollars He's
made off of the detention of illegal immigrants, So he
has a financial incentive not even to do any of
(10:37):
these things. He's he's become wealthy than almost every you know,
the ninety nine point nine percent of Americans because they're
deporting illegal aliens.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, this is listen.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
He's trying to corner and make sure no one can
get further left from him on an issue that galvanizes
not just a group of Hispanics and the ethnic lobby,
but also angry white liberals who have made hating Ice
equal to hating the president. And that's really what he's
trying to signal too, is I will be your ultimate advocate,
and I'm going to do the most radical things against.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
The federal government.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I mean, he might as well be saying, you know,
he's going to do what they didn't ruby Ridge with
attacking federal agents. It doesn't work out in your favor.
You have no ability to do any of those things.
But it's not about like having a coherent message of
what you can do. It's all about trust trying to
fight Trump.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
What's next for it's a numbers game. You've already got
something in the docket or are you're still figuring out
what numbers do you want?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Front a deep dive on the Virginia election. Why is
Abigail Spamberger's numbers crashing? Who is leaving her coalition? Remember,
Virginia has local state legislative elections in twenty twenty seven
and the Democrats have a one c majority in the
state Senate. So can there be a referendum on ABAGAILT Bamberger?
How is it looking for the referendum? Why is it
(11:47):
so close? Where can this happen? And it's going to
be a great episode, So I'm looking forward to that
coming out.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Just real quick on that is is it something? Has
it become clear to enough voters in Virginia? Do you
think that Spamberger ran as like, Hey, I'm just like
a mom and a moderate, and then as soon as
she was in power, it was like, I am a
Marxist lunatic who wants to take your guns and raise
your taxes.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Well, the interesting thing is Spamberger is losing support from
both low income voters and high income voters. And we're
seeing with the referendum on redistricting a forty one point
flip away from Spamberger from she won independence by seventeen
points right now the referendum is losing an independence by
twenty four points, a tremendous forty one point shift among
(12:32):
that group in just six months. I think I think
her presidential ambitions are really coming to a close, very
very quickly in this administration.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Brian ger Dusk everybody, it's a numbers game? Is the podcast?
And what's the pack again?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Ryan ollmanpack dot com? Check it out?
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are going. I'm still I'm still cautiously optimistic that Republicans
have a fighting chance to keep the House and the
Senate this fall. And I think that Trump is managing
the situation in Iran now with he, I would not
want to be on the other side of the negotiating
table from him. I'll put it to you that way.
(14:35):
I would certainly not want to be in the position
of the molocracy in Tehran. And you know, last night
I was here in Boca Raton, Florida, which is a
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the front because bookstores, unfortunately have been bookstores and fancy
coffee shops have been just completely overtaken by the anarchist
left or the communist left. So that's a thing that's
going on, and yeah, please please go get a copy.
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And if you already have one, great time to get
a copy to give to someone in your life. I'm
a big believer in we need books. We really do.
I mean, as a society, as a civilization, we need
to be reading books. There's so much short form content.
Everything is click scroll, click, scroll, click scroll. We are
I think part of the book is conditioning, of course,
(16:44):
Pavlovian conditioning, and getting into the origins of how that
was then applied to mind manipulation by totalitarian regimes. But
we are doing this to ourselves. One of the reasons
I think also radio has the power that it does
is you know, look, you can join us for five minutes,
and we appreciate that, but you can join us for
three hours and we really have time to talk here.
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Clay and I really have the ability to get into
things with you, to think them through together, to communicate them.
It's not all just this, you know, click click click,
school school scroll click click click, And this is affecting
people's attention spans, I'm telling you, And it is such
a good practice. I try to I read every night
before I go to sleep. I think I told you
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that every night. That's how I fall asleep. I try
usually about half an hour forty five minutes. But I
don't read about stuff here. I just read a book.
Usually it's almost always a history book. But it's separate
from my work here, which I do, of course read
in in the morning, just like Rush used to morning prep.
But there's just nothing that beats an old school book
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and sitting down with a book you really want to read.
And hopefully Manufacturing Delusion will be one of those books
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few minutes ago about my friend Ryan Gerdusky of our
podcast network and his pack that is going to try
to primary. People always ask, you know, how can you
how can you do anything about these Republicans betraying us
and all this? Well, you can primary them. You can
(19:13):
primary Republicans who don't keep their word. That's a very
good place to start. In fact, one of the worst
things that I think the GOP Party faithful do, I'm
politically speaking, is just get lazy and just vote for
this incumbent year well not year after year, but election
after election. And then they complain and then they see
(19:35):
them on Fox News and they go, oh, I'll still
vote for that guy because he's on Fox News sometimes
I go, well, but just because he says the right
things on Fox maybe gets decent ratings when he does
or she does, depends, doesn't mean that this is the
person you want representing your state or your district in
the United States Congress. Right, I mean, we can understand
(19:56):
the difference in that, I would think, But sure enough
GOP primary voters can be quite a bit on the
lazy side about this stuff. But I bring you this
on the immigration front. This is Bill Malujin from Fox
News reporting six House Republicans have voted with Democrats to
(20:18):
advance and this was yesterday to advance Representative Aana Presley
her temporary protected status for Haitian's extension for three more years.
The motion passed two nineteen to two nine. It will
go down to a final House vote. Guys, check on
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this one of the final House voters. Because this was
from yesterday, this is today. I assume at some point
the six House GOP members to vote with Democrats were
Representative Don Bacon of Nebraska. This is every radio host
nightmare when they only have the state with the initials
and it's like a little bit of a It's like
(20:59):
a high school, not even high school a grade school
social studies test. Can I get all the Florida I
can get? Right? Fl Representative Maria Salazar, Florida, Carlos him Andez, Florida,
Brian Fitzpatrick, Pennsylvania, Mike Lawler, New York, Nicole Mellyatakis, New York.
(21:21):
I'm a little surprised to see Representative melayattackus on there.
Huh interesting? Okay, Anyway, there's also a Kevin Kylie who's
a California Independent but caucuses with Republicans. He voted for Democrats.
Let's talk about this issue for a second, and then
we can talk about more of keeping order on our
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side on the immigration issue and not letting this stuff
slip away, and not letting betrayals happen that will go
politically unpunished. The idea that Haitians should get their protected
status continued is on its face absurd. You'll notice that
(22:06):
the statute or the statutory authority here is temporary protected status.
Temporary protected status as in it does not last forever.
And yet temporary protected status. Haitians have been here in
this country since you want to guess, say it out
(22:28):
loud if you want. January two, thy and ten January,
three hundred and fifty thousand people. Three hundred and fifty
thousand Haitians have had their temporary protected status extended over
sixteen years. I think we're gonna have to change this.
(22:52):
We can't call it TPS or temporary protected status because
it is clearly not being treated as temporary. DHS announced
a termination of this for August third of twenty twenty five,
but a court stayed that terminating. So the courts won't
let us end it. Obviously, some activists judge, the Democrats
(23:13):
and even some Republicans want to extend it. Why this
is not supposed to be a backdoor immigration policy. But
that's exactly what it has been treated as. As in
we call it temporary, but then they stay forever. Same
kind of game they play with asylum. Oh, they're just
applying for asylum. If they don't get it, they'll leave.
(23:36):
They know that's not true. When they don't get asylum,
they just disappear into the American interior. They don't send
they don't show up at their hearings. It is a backdoor,
illegal way to get permanent status in America. People say, oh,
it's legal when they apply for asylum, not when they
don't show up for hearings, which a huge percentage of
them don't. But how can we have a country when
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so much when one half of the voters roughly maybe
it's less than half, call it forty five percent, but
certainly one of the two major political parties, and a
slew of NGOs, including taxpayer enabled if not funded ERNGYA,
a slew of left wing activist groups, and they all
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want and of course the judges, a lot of left
wing judges, they want to make it impossible to enforce
immigration law. Now this can you can go back to
Plato's The Republic on this is a law that is
not enforced really a law?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Does it?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
At what point does it cease to be a law?
I think we've seen this now tested many times over
on immigration and this extension of temporary protected status. No,
the American people were very nice, very nice to allow
three hundred and fifty thousand Haitians to stay here for
(24:57):
sixteen years. Haiti has been an independent country. I believe
it's the second oldest democracy in the Western Hemisphere. Haiti
has been an independent country for a long time, and
they got to fix their own problems. So the extension
of this. Clearly, some of these Republicans, I would think
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must have some Haitian diaspora community or TPS diaspora community
in their district, and so this is pure politics for them.
I would guess that's certainly the case for some of
the like the New York representative that I mentioned. But
now this brings me to something else we've had on
the show, and I'm going to give him the benefit
of the doubt on this one, but we have had
(25:39):
on the show and enjoy talking to him. Former Senator
now DHS Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen, who has seemed like
a good guy. I do not agree with some of
his commentary about rand Paul's attack. Just to be clear,
I think that some of that was just over the
line nasty. Now he's a lot the First amendmenties allowed
(26:01):
to say it, but I think it was kind of
jerk stuff to say. But put that aside for a second.
Mark Wayne, I think aligns with this show on a
vast majority of issues, and that is what is most
important to me for a DHS secretary. That and competency.
I think Christy Nome had alignment because she just does
(26:23):
whatever she was trying to do whatever Trump told her
to do, which is fine, did not have competency and
of course had a lot of vulnerabilities, shall we say,
politically and otherwise that came to the forefront. So I'm
just gonna say the DHS Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen went
on Fox News and he said this, and I want
(26:44):
to push a little bit, a little little bit on
this play eleven.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
And take advantage of the United States generosity. But the
problem is is that we want immigration.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
We want legal immigration, people that want to make the
country stronger.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
We're a nation of immigrants.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
We understand it, kind of, I got the right kind.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I don't like that we're a nation of immigrants thing.
It's really not true. We're a nation of Americans actually.
I mean, there are immigrants here who have joined the
American family over time. But this idea that because here's
what this. If we're a nation of immigrants, do we
become something else if we don't keep bringing in immigrants.
I think we've had too much immigration in recient decades.
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I think the numbers bear that out quite clearly, and
I think that it puts major strain on the forces
the societal, political, economic, and historic forces that tie us
together in what the ancient Greeks would have called the
polity right, a political and ideological union, some sense of
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a cohesive thing that is America and that binds together
the American people. And we know that we've in Europe,
they've been forced to really think about this. If you
have some country like Sweden with ten million Swedes, well,
if you put five millillion Iraqis, which they didn't have
that many, But if you put five million Iraqis in
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a country with ten million suites, it's a different country.
The place changes, right, So that people have had to
see play out in real time, they can understand that
we've had far too much illegal immigration. We've probably had
far too much legal immigration. Oh no, well, I believe
we have. People can disagree on that, but on the
illegal side, and I think they'd be wrong for disagree
(28:23):
with That's okay. On the illegal side. There's no question
that we have been inundated. We have been swamped with
illegal crossings and overstays and other evasions of our immigration
laws in this country. So we want legal immigration. Yes,
as a general matter, we want legal immigration. The Secretary
of DHS is correct in that should we have a
(28:45):
conversation about having less legal immigration at this point in America. Yes,
we really should get to a This is just people
who are contributing and making America better and more prosperous,
is safer, smarter, all of those things, and we better
be really sure that that's what we're getting. And that
(29:07):
means a slower and more vetted process. It means a
lot less chain migration. I was just hearing from somebody
the other day. Oh, you know, in my country, we
h my parents or one of my parents want to
like a green card lottery thing, and now the whole
family of like eight people is being sponsored to come here.
(29:27):
So just understand when they say, oh, there's a green
card lottery with I don't know what the number is,
you know, in the tens of thousands of people. Well,
but there's this whole effort then to bring the whole
family too. And that's often the case with people, whether
it's they're here for a whole range of different temporary
(29:48):
lawful reasons. H one B visas is another example of this.
Why will H one be visa holders take less pay
than people doing the same work, because they will, and
we know that, why are they more malleable to the
wishes of management. Hence why they are preferable for some
(30:12):
unscrupulous American businesses in hiring. Well, it is because their
status is tied to that visa, which means it's harder
for them to move around. People will say, oh, no,
they can't. No, it is harder. But also they can
get to the front of the green card line, and
then if they get that, then they can start to
try to sponsor more of their family to come in,
(30:33):
which is a huge benefit. So yeah, getting paid fifteen
hudor twenty percent under market to do clerical work for
a few years, that feels a whole lot more attractive
to somebody from a third world country if they think
they can stay forever and then bring their whole family
in here. This is why the immigration issue is I
think the most important issue in the country right now.
(30:56):
It should be the most important issue to voters, and
the trumpetmen has done some very good things on this,
but the job is unfinished, to be sure, not even
close to finished. So the DHS secretary, we're a nation
of immigrants. That is that is really a non truth.
(31:17):
It's not untrue, but it is a non truth, or
it is an incomplete truth to say about this country,
and it plays right into the rhetoric of democrats. They're
the ones that I've been saying this for so long.
We're a nation of immigrants. No really, we're a nation
of founders, of pioneers, of builders, of people who came
here without the promise of endless welfare benefits, without a
(31:42):
DEI infrastructure, ready to claim victimhood for them at the
hands of America, even though they came to America because
they have a skin color that falls into the protected
classes of DEI here. It's a very different thing to
show up in America today than it was to show
up in nineteen twenty or eighteen twenty or seventeen twenty
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for that matter. It's a very different thing that people
face and treating it as similar treating a voyage on
a wooden ship that ends up with people landing at
Plymouth Rock where they face death, the entire voyage, from disease,
from shipwreck, from any number of things, as similar to
I scrape together two hundred bucks to get on a
(32:26):
cheap international flight. Now I'm in America. There's an insult
to our intelligence that occurs with that. So we should
not be going around saying we're a nation of immigrants.
We're a nation that allows some immigrants and has had
waves of immigration, but historically has also had stops in
(32:48):
the immigration waves to allow Americans to be America, or
rather America to be of Americans. That is a thing
that happens in our history as well. So I just
I want clarity on that one. I think Mark Wayne
is aligned. I think he's I think he's gonna do
a good job. But we shouldn't be going around on
(33:09):
TV as Republicans in this moment. I think saying we're
a nation of immigrants might as well say, oh, I
llgals do the jobs Americans won't do, another thing that
they love to say. Or immigrants have a lower crime
rate than Americans, another thing they like to say. All right,
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The work they are doing day in and day out
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Welcome back in and we got a lot of callers,
a lot of talkbacks. Let's get to it. Pamela in
El Cahoone, California. I hope I said that right. Welcome Pamela.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Well, thank you, Yes, you said it right, and thank
you for taking my call. And I have a message.
You know, I'm ninety eight years old and I used
to read like crazy, and now I'm blind. I can't read.
I have a son that has Trump arrangement syndrome, and
(35:50):
I wanted to listen to your book, but I have
a I can only play.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
CDs and your book, your CD.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Book is digital and that's new fashion. I got the
old fashion.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
So Pamela, let me think about give give the team
your information. Let me see maybe our friends at Legacy
Box could help out here with a special project and
just get you a digitized version on the CD because
I don't I don't have a CD ROM or CDs,
but Legacy Box certainly does and they're great friends and
sponsors of the show. So team, take Pamela's info and
(36:30):
let me see if maybe we can send her a
special CD edition of Manufacturing Delusion. I'll see if Pamela,
I can't promise, but I'm gonna try. Okay, I'll try
to get that to you because you're a great listener
and a lovely lady, and we appreciate you calling in
and God bless ninety eight years old, going strong, fantastic.
We'll come back to the third hour here, team, stay
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