August 3, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show continued the program’s deep dive into the controversy surrounding transgender participation in women’s sports, with a particular focus on the ongoing fallout from WNBA player Sophie Cunningham’s comments opposing biological males competing in women’s athletics. The hour featured an extended interview with former NFL sideline reporter and Minnesota U.S. Senate candidate Michele Tafoya, who described attending a Minneapolis rally supporting women’s sports and protecting female athletic opportunities. Tafoya detailed clashes between supporters of women’s sports and transgender activists, arguing that the debate centers on fairness, biology, Title IX protections, and preserving opportunities for female athletes.
Tafoya and the hosts discussed the cultural and political pressures facing athletes, coaches, and media personalities who may privately oppose transgender participation policies but remain reluctant to speak publicly. According to Tafoya, concerns about corporate sponsorships, endorsements, and professional backlash have created a climate in which many athletes avoid addressing the issue. Sophie Cunningham was repeatedly highlighted as an example of an active professional athlete willing to publicly state her position despite criticism. The discussion also explored what the hosts described as growing tension between traditional women’s rights advocacy and modern progressive identity politics.
A significant portion of Hour 2 examined the historical purpose of women’s sports and the legacy of Title IX. Tafoya reflected on the opportunities expanded by Title IX and argued that women’s athletic divisions exist precisely because biological differences between men and women create competitive distinctions. Clay and Buck emphasized themes of meritocracy, competitive fairness, athletic opportunity, and the role of sex-based categories in sports. They questioned how public opinion shifted so dramatically over the past two decades, noting that ideas now being promoted by some sports organizations would have been widely ridiculed in earlier eras.
The conversation also broadened into Minnesota politics, where Tafoya discussed her Republican Senate campaign and connected the women’s sports debate to larger concerns about public trust and government credibility. The hosts argued that cultural issues such as transgender participation in women’s athletics resonate politically because they serve as broader tests of honesty, institutional trust, and whether elected officials are willing to challenge unpopular narratives. Tafoya suggested that opposition to biological males competing in girls’ and women’s sports enjoys significant bipartisan support among Minnesota voters.
Following the interview, Clay and Buck shifted into a listener-driven segment featuring calls and talkbacks reacting to the transgender sports controversy. Numerous callers argued that physical differences between male and female athletes make direct competition unfair, while others discussed the financial structure of the WNBA, the league’s visibility, and Caitlin Clark’s impact on women’s basketball. The hosts repeatedly returned to comparisons between elite women’s teams and boys’ high school or youth teams, arguing that biological differences in size, speed, strength, and athletic performance are obvious and measurable.
Another major theme during Hour 2 involved the political significance of the transgender sports debate heading into future elections. Clay and Buck argued that many Democratic politicians continue to strongly defend transgender participation in women’s sports despite polling that they believe favors restrictions. The hosts suggested that the issue remains a major cultural dividing line and predicted it will continue to influence national political campaigns, particularly around education, athletics, parental rights, and gender identity policies.
The hour also featured ongoing humorous discussion of Clay’s fictional “Nashville Balls” WNBA expansion franchise, a recurring satirical concept introduced to illustrate the hosts’ views on transgender athlete participation. The running joke generated extensive listener feedback, talkback responses, YouTube engagement, and discussion about what such a scenario might reveal about competitive dynamics in women’s professional basketball.
As the hour concluded, Clay and Buck previewed upcoming topics for later in the program, including developments surrounding New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani, while continuing to take audience reactions on the sports controversy that dominated Hour 2.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
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(00:24):
all of you on the podcast. More coming as we
continue to grow in our outreach. We go up now
to Minnesota where Senate candidate on the Republican side, also
former NFL sideline reporter Michelle Tafoya is with us and
(00:44):
Michelle the amount of interest in the Sophie Cunningham decision
to say men shouldn't be able to compete in women's
sports and then the fallout in the WNBA has continued.
There were protests and supportive rallies and port when there
were protests and supportive rallies in Minneapolis. You were at
(01:04):
the rally yesterday in Minneapolis with among others, our friend
Jennifer Say who runs xxx why, our friend from out Kick,
Riley Gaines, and many others. What was that like? Take
us to that location. Describe the scene when we pulled up.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
We were driving up to the spot and we saw
these the protesters on the other side. So we saw
the flags, and we saw the bullhorns, and we were thinking,
where's Jen.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Where's Jen?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Say?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
So I texted her, so where are you? She said,
I'm with these people.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So we went back, we got out of the car,
we walked over there, and I.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Would say numbers wise, we.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Outnumbered them, but they of course out volumed us. They
had a couple of bullhorns, and the things that they
would do were very typical of leftist protesters. They would
play their sirens sound through the bullhorn so that we
could not be heard. They would just shout obscenities. You
saw in the video some of the people trying to
(02:08):
pull t shirts out of people's hands, just obscene signs,
the things that they were calling us.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
It was quite something.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
At one point, guys, I felt like probably it was
nineteen oh one, because we were chanting let women speak,
Let women speak, And I was sitting there thinking to myself,
my gosh, this is bizarre. We are asking people to
just let us speak. And every time we even tried
to huddle our group just to have like a little
pep talk within us, they would jump right in it.
(02:39):
There was no getting around them. Like I said, I
think we outnumbered them. We had tons of support. We
even had Democrats over there who were holding up signs
saying Democrats were title line.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
It was quite a scene.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I'm glad Riley arrived just before the game because it
would have been ugly for her, you know, the kind
of target she has become.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
But she arrived.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
We kind of whisked her into Target center and let
her go on to her seats.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
But it was something.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
Michelle, thanks for being here with us. As you know,
Clay is the one who follows the sports world very closely.
I like video games and so I recall the first
time I ever came across you, your voice was one
of the Madden games. So you've been in the sports
world and know the shall I say, the commentary and
reporting sports apparatus around all this. Clay has been telling
(03:32):
me for some time on this issue and a whole
range of issues, more left wing than the political media,
which I thought was impossible. It seems to be the
case from what I can observe. Tell me this, of
the people who are commenting on that, they're all these
big sports radio hosts and sports podcasters and other than
my buddy Clay over here. Do they actually believe this
(03:53):
stuff they say about the trans athletes in you know,
women's sports or are they just more terrified? Is it
more of what I see with Caitlin Clark, which is
she just doesn't want to get caught in the crossfire situation?
Speaker 7 (04:06):
Like do these.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Athletes that I see former athletes They're all huddled around
tables on ESPN two all day long talking about the
next big contract for some guy whose name I don't know.
Do they actually think that women and men should be
playing in the same professional leagues?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I don't believe that they do. I really don't believe
that they do. Now.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I can't speak for all of them, but I can
say this to you, and Clay knows this that in
my outreach, whether it was during my podcast, which is,
you know, on hiatus while I run right now, or
during my candidacy, I've asked some pro athletes to jump
on board and come and campaign with me on this issue.
In particular, one of those athletes, and I'm not going
(04:47):
to out them, has very successful athletic daughters and they
are very successful, and he didn't want to speak out
on this issue because he was worried about the brands
he is associated with. That's where this pressure is coming from.
I think it's these endorsements or the brands that the
(05:07):
people have, and they're just afraid.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Fortunately, there have been some courageous people.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I saw that Brian Urlocker came out this morning on
x OR on one of the platforms and said his
piece about this. Some of them are having the courage
to speak. But I think some people are thinking, oh,
this will blow over. I don't need to speak out.
This is such a ridiculous issue. This is going to
blow over soon, and so it doesn't matter whether or
not I speak.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
That isn't the case, it seems.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
So this is what makes Sophie Cunningham unique and important
in this whole movement. She is an active professional athlete
on a big stage. Her platform is magnified because she's
teammates with Caitlin Clark and she's said it and she
said it with love, and that's what we were trying
(05:56):
to do yesterday. To one very interesting incident yesterday during
the protest on our side, we had a woman who
is a former.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
High school athlete.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
She happens to be black, and the protesters, the counter
protesters on the other side told her, you're not supposed
to be with them, You're supposed to be with us because.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Of the color of her skin.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
That bothered her, and it should and it should bother
all of us that somehow they want to co opt
race into this too, or bring it in.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
It's just completely conflating the issues.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
So they apparently they believe that if you're a person
of color, which by the way, my background, I'm brown,
I have a very brown daughter, we just don't look
at it that way. This is in a vacuum, an
issue about fairness, about biology, about science, and about protecting
women period.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
The end, I got a couple of thoughts on this.
And you have covered sports for a very very long
time prior to citing to run for Sennadon.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I covered the WNBA with Reggie Miller for many seasons
when it first came up.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Okay, So that's where I want to go if we
had had this conversation, because I think there's a lot
of people out there that just can't believe that we
got here right that in twenty twenty six, the WNBA
many of the coaches would be coming out and saying, yes,
we're fine with men who identify as women. I mean,
we had a movie mocking this idea called Juwana Man
(07:31):
back in the day in two thousand and five, Michelle,
if I had predicted twenty years from now roughly that
there would be on the left a strong argument that
it is inclusive to include men, would you have believed it?
Speaker 7 (07:46):
Part one?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Part two? Women?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
You look at the Supreme Court, three of them women
said yes, men should be able to play women's sports.
If you listen to a lot of people in the
media eCos system, very often it is women making this argument.
Men overwhelmingly, I think, believe that this is absurd. Certainly
we don't see because biology is real women who are
(08:11):
identifying as men suddenly being able to play any male
pro sports. So this is not a conversation in any
way in male sports in any respect. Right, would you've
ever believe we would be here? Do women have to
win this debate? And why are so many women so
willing to give up femininity handed off? After all the
(08:32):
battles women have had to fight to be treated equal
to men who want to take over women's spaces. Yet again,
that's the biggest irony to me.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
It truly is an irony.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
And when you see a coach like Cheryl Reeve, when
you see these coaches coming out and very publicly saying
trans kids belong, that's a really nebulous statement. By the way,
sports has always been exclusive. And here's what I mean
by that, girls have their own division. I was a
(09:04):
very young kid, youngest of four kids, three sisters, one brother.
Brother was a great athlete, title nine past. I remember
my for whatever it's worth, my Hispanic father coming to
me and saying this past, this is so great for
you and your sisters. You're gonna have opportunities your mom
never had, your auntie's never had.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
This is great. He was my basketball coach growing up.
My dad was. This is bizarre.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I think it is this notion of tolerance, this virtue
signaling of tolerance, of acceptance of inclusivity.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Well, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Players both male and female get cut from their teams
every single.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Day because you don't have an unlimited number of roster spots.
You just don't.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
So players get cut. Salaries get determined by how good
you are. Caitlin Clark has a lot of endorsement. State
Farm comes to mind because she is a massive star.
So yeah, it you know, don't tell me it's not exclusive,
because it is. It is based on merit and we
wouldn't have it any other way. We loved cheering for
(10:16):
our teams in the World Cup. We loved cheering for
the US team because we wanted them to win.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
We didn't want everyone to tie. We wanted them to win.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
That by its very nature, is based on meritocracy and exclusivity.
Not everyone got to play on the men's US soccer team,
the national team, because they had to cut players who
couldn't make the grade.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
You see. You know, so this is what's extraordinary to me.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
It's it's sport is by its very nature, based on a.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Lot of autocracy and exclusivity.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Yeah, you'll notice when they want you to lie about
one thing, which you find, Michelle, is they actually want
you to lie about a lot of things, which is
not yea to this situation. But that's how the Left operates.
And we're speaking of Michelle de Foy. Michelle, before we
get you a break here, you're running for Senate. How's
that going. How's the Senate showdown looking?
Speaker 4 (11:07):
It's very interesting, it's looking good. I have blinders on.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I take the Kobe Bryant mentality that I'm always in
last place, but our primary polling looks very very good.
Once we get past the primary, which is next Tuesday,
August eleventh, we find out which candidate on the Democrat
side we're going to be running against, and that's when
it gets very very real.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
But this is a big issue here in Minnesota. We
had a high school.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Softball team win the state championship, the state tournament a
year ago, maybe it's been two now, who had a.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Mail, a biological mail as their pitcher. They won the stage.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
Yeah, yeah, I'm crazy.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
It's it's incredible. And we also Amy klobish Are, the.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Senator who is now running for governor here, has said
she will continue to allow boys to play in girls' sports.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
So there you have it.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
But Buck and I were just talking about this last
question for you. Some people might say, well, there's a
lot of other issues, and there obviously are, but I'm
curious when you're going around in campaigning. The thing that
I would say about this is it cuts through the noise, because,
as Buck said, once you're requiring me to tell a
lie about your political perspectives, I can't trust you on taxes.
(12:27):
I can't trust you on foreign policy because you've already
told me that you'll lie to me about basic biology.
Do you find that to cut through the noise and
for people to be responsive in that way?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yes, And of course here in Minnesota, we are the
epicenter of fraud in this country, and so that was
a lie too.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
We got lied to by.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
A number of people who are running for office, including
Peggy flannagain, the lieutenant governor, who is running for the
United States Senate, and she's running against a sit in
Congresswoman Angie Craig, who has been endorsed by Tim Walls
and his wife, so.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
She won't talk about fraud.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Fraud is a massive issue, and the reason people are
so angry is because, Yeah, they were lied to. They
were stolen from the people who should be receiving benefits
from these programs were lied to. They didn't get their
benefits because they were stolen from them.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So this is.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Along those same lines, and I think this issue does
cut through. I think Minnesotan's on both sides of the aisle.
This is an eighty twenty at least issue here in Minnesota.
Men should not be playing in women's sports. Women earned
their place, And I honestly can't believe that I was
on a street corner in downtown Minneapolis shouting let women
(13:44):
speak it. Honestly, you guys, it felt like, you know,
I was back in Mary Poppins when they were trying
to get the vote.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Back in the day.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Remember the mom and Mary Poppins was try as he
was out there fighting for women.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
I don't know if people remember that film, but she was.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
And that's what I felt like, where are we that
women are having to say this to other women, by
the way, not just two men, but to other women.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
It's astonishing.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
It's I keep thinking we're going to get over this
and kind of flip the switch on this, and it
has yet to happen.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
Shelle Tafoya thank you so much, Michellefoya dot com. Everybody
go check out what she's doing with that Senate race
and appreciate you being here.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I appreciate it. Guys, have a great day. Thanks for
having me.
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Speaker 6 (15:51):
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with other people that are on the stream, which is
a really fun way to interact with your fellow Clay
and Buck listeners, viewers, et cetera. Let's get to some
of your talkbacks which we love, which come through the
iHeart app. Joe from Huntington Beach, this is a he's
(16:15):
out in California.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Play it.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
Hey, It's not even about you know Lebron would score
one hundred points a game in the WNBA. It's about
the six foot five former JC player playing at a
local ref park who could average sixty points a game
in the WNBA. He's making forty grand a year working
at the airport, and the WNBA the average salaries one thirty,
(16:37):
one hundred and thirty thousand.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Why can't he?
Speaker 9 (16:39):
Jay?
Speaker 7 (16:39):
I mean Joe rather, you're a Joe.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
You're one hundred percent correct, But I think we've talked
about this a little bit before, but that's why Clay
is offering for a champion high school team to play
WNBA team. But yes, Joe, your point is absolutely spot on.
If you had a guy who's six' five who is
a decent basketball player at any college, level best player
in THE wnba, tomorrow full, stop no.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Question, yeah and he would he would AVERAGE i Mean
i'm not kidding about, this fifty to. TWENTY i mean
he would be able to score every time he got
the basket. Basketball some people are, saying what size ball
would they play? With you play with the little. One
the men have a huge advantage because you can manipulate
the ball to such an extent and also it's way
(17:20):
easier to make. Shots nobody talks about this when the
ball is smaller in the rim as the same, Size
if you practice with, it it just gets easier and.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Easier, also the tallest player in the W, Or Britney,
griner is among the tallest players in THE wnba at
six point. NINE i mean there are six nine, either
there are point guards who are six to eight in THE,
WNBA i mean in THE nba these, Days like that's
so you're talking about a totally different physicality in every
(17:51):
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Bundle welcome back, In clay And.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Buck we are rolling through the second hour of the.
Program we got a ton of times And bunck AND
i were just talking off. Air this is one WHERE
i just there's so much reaction to.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
This men being able to play in women's.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Sports story that is everywhere and continues to accelerate in
the wake Of Sophie. CUNNINGHAM i, Thought, buck that Rational
democrats when The Supreme court came out with their, decision
which was six,' three i thought that they, Would, say
okay we disagree with, the decision but let's take an off.
RAMP here i just want you to think about this for.
(19:32):
A moment democrats are fighting harder for men to compete
in women's sports than they are on almost any level across.
The sun and use abortion, for instance which is a
cultural flashpoint for. Multiple generations dobbs happens every state makes
(19:53):
a decision about what abortion law is in, their states
and largely now they may try to bring it back
up in twenty. Twenty eight but it feels very much
like abortion to a large extent is not a divisive
in the same way that it was for generations Before
The supreme court. Ruled, Issue meanwhile democrats are going to
(20:14):
the mat on men and women's sports and buck to.
Your point, they're saying this is never, an issue this,
doesn't matter why do? You care and our response, just,
okay well then let's just, end. It right all you
have to do is, just, say okay on, this issue
we're not going to. Do it they can't because they
have decided that men pretending to be women is basically
(20:37):
the civil rights issue of, the day and they can't
allow this to occur because then it just the whole
house of cards of, their, identity politics worldview begins.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
To collapse the other part of THIS that i want
everyone to keep in mind as we discuss this and
be prepared for a whole lot more of the why
do you care? So much or or a veryon of
that it's not happening. That much why are you so focused? On,
it yways that's. Always interesting it's the new civil, rights,
Struggle comma but why are you so focused?
Speaker 7 (21:10):
ON it i.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
DON'T know i would think the civil rights struggle will
be something we would all want to, talk, about right,
federal policy the civilizational basis of men and women. Being different,
you know there's a lot of stuff to get, into Here,
but clay this is a reminder for all, of us and.
IT'S less i think it's going to be a lot
less of a focus broadly in the midterms than it
(21:30):
will be in the. Presidential election if you Get a,
DEMOCRAT administration i don't care who. It is by, THE
way i don't care if it's, You Know, president Kamala
like clay says it, would Be Or president NEWSOM or
aoc or you know whoever, you think or even like
who's the guy From wes moore Or In kentucky, basher
(21:53):
right some of these other candidates that aren't as famous on,
the scene but people are. Talking about there will be
an executive order From The Democrat white house that your,
you know sixteen year old daughter who's on a travel
soccer team is going to have to square up against
a sixteen year old dude who's going to be throwing
her around and you can't do anything. About it that's
(22:15):
the reality that we all face as. A country you,
know IT and i, know it so don't fall for
these things are very. Much linked don't fall for a
second For their it's not that big. A deal why
are you so focused? On it that's because they do
not have the boot heel of government to slam down
on your back right now and make you cry and.
Say uncle that's the only reason they're playing it.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
That Way comments sophia is telling me are, absolutely hysterical
as one might imagine in the YouTube chat. RIGHT now
a bunch of them. Out there i'll read, you one
and some of you have very good senses. Of humor
it's not going. TO surprise a themed dight could be
(22:57):
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let's see we got a bunch Of talkbacks bob And,
Oh russia russia.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Weighing in on men and.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
WOMEN'S sports i will, Point, out buck you Were Mentioning.
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of Mankind when russia got the Merchant of death and,
we got.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And We Got.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Britney griner russia got one of the great illegal arms
dealers of. All time some might even call him the
goat of illegal. Arms dealing we got a tall LESBIAN
who i would point out, As. Well buck She's Divorcing
britney griner is the wife who stood by her while
she was In a russian colin, penal colony that'suing. Phrase
(23:56):
there so she's now getting divorced from the one And
that biden. Brought In So britney griner also having love.
Life problems Bob, IN moscow i wonder if they're gonna
are they gonna Cut the subaru?
Speaker 5 (24:09):
In?
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Half clay how does?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That work.
Speaker 10 (24:14):
Which is the was some poor guy driving around in
the super rus like it's not just the lesbians who drives.
Subarous guys is a, great vehicle a, great price poor
guy pulls in.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Every day.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Is there any other objects? Out there there? Some, objects
sorry We have Bob. In russia he wants to talk
a lesbian Vehicle in russia, as well known As.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
The, subaru.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
No because it's not Promoted. In russia there's many lesbians and,
gay people but it's not allowed to. Be promoted even in,
regular life you very seldom see people making out. In
public it's just their culture is just considered taboo to
be making out, in public even though people don't make
(25:04):
out in, PUBLIC still i mean, making kiss but the
making out and groping just. Doesn't happen but the one
lesbian player in the basketball league who stated that all
she had to do was talk to us because there's
many of us in the league that, basically said the
league is all on discrimination against straight women in street
(25:28):
because it's. All discrimination because she just, basically said and
That's Why caitlen clark, is targeted not so much because of,
the race because, she's very very straight and her beliefs
doesn't count and accept the. Lesbian nature thank.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
You for, The, CALL bob i do think buck we
Played The caitlin, clark responds she is being attacked because she's,
a white straight player in a league that is majority
either black and.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Or, lesbian well and she's also the best player in,
the league which they pretend. She's not, but oh someone
at her. BEST play. I don't, i, MEAN look i am.
Not someone now you're GOING full. WNBA analyst i like.
His play who's, The top who's.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
THE top i, think again there are many people who
watch a LOT more wnba BASKETBALL than. I do i
don't think she's the best player. Right now she may
end up being the best player. One day she's three.
YEARS in i think. SHE'S top i. Don't know seven
or eight players in the league would be a fair
approximation of where she ranks.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
Right now she's the biggest audience draw.
Speaker 11 (26:32):
For.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Tickets far she is the. Biggest draw. By far she
is the. Biggest draw she's the only reason anybody cares ABOUT.
THE wnba, i like so you protecting.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
The integrity OF the, Wnba here but, BE like, i
mean she's, elite guys but. She's not like there's some
other players in there that, are, really uh, you know
doing a.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Great job LOOK when I when i HAVE my, wnba franchise,
and eventually when when my men pretending to be women
have won n sixty four, consecutive games they, may, Say,
Hey clay we're gonna ban your dudes pretending to be
girls from. Our league And then i'll have to go
back into the draft chart and figure out who the best.
(27:11):
Players are Let's see Josh In new jersey.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
Fire away, all, right gentlemen and your show.
Speaker 11 (27:19):
Is awesome and if you do Get That, Team clay
i'm gonna get. Even tickets let's face the FACT the
wnba is the world's largest affirmative. Action program it GETS no,
tv ratings but it GETS a tv contract and it
gets funded if people, don't know and subsidized by the
billions that come INTO the nba every. Single, year Now
When kaitlyn clark was getting mugged when she came in
(27:41):
the league three, YEARS ago, i said the only thing
that's gonna stop this Is If kaitlyn clock Turns Into,
bobby clock and then it'll come to an end. Revery
fest check out some of those Highlights Of bobby clock
when we. Play Hockey. Stellis now the thing is people
have to realize that when you have men playing against
women and you have young children dissecting themselves in some
(28:03):
of our major medical centers by doctors who go along,
By this america is Now at Comedy is chinese Version
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when those serial Killers In commonies china set that. Virus
here so now the biggest, thing guys now is this
(28:24):
people who are eighteen years old in the, nineteen nineties
people should ask them why they didn't Vote For Patrick.
Joseph buchanan we wouldn't be In the mets we're, in.
Today Guys and i'm getting those season tickets claim.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Thank you that's Wide.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Range callbuck i'm going to buy season tickets TO your. Wnba,
FRANCHISE also i want to go Back To pap buchanan's
campaign in nineteen. Ninety two we'd be in a lot
better shape if we had made. That choice Dave in iowa, Fire, Away,
dave yeah hey.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
Go balls definitely future scene. Ticket, holder yeah this is
a marketing gold mine that you have. Going on this
is gonna. Be great but case say real Quickly With,
katele clark when she Was, at Iowa The Des moines
register had an article and it was on the managers
For that iowa women's team and they, were men THEY
(29:18):
were i think. Grad, Students yeah and when they prepared
them for the future games of the, upcoming games they
were restricted on how they could play against that team in.
The practices in one of them was they couldn't dunk
on them and they couldn't play physical. Against, Them yep
so what does that tell you? Right there, You know
(29:38):
but if you get, a chance try to find. That article.
It is it's a good read and.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
It's, interesting yeah thank you for, The.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
CALL bucket i don't know how many people know this
because some people just don't know that much. ABOUT sports,
I mean i would, just say go watch a eighth
grade girls basketball team play right before or after an
eighth grade boys basketball, team plays and did diference between
the play is night? And, Day right if you have
young KIDS like, i do sometimes they'll have the girls
(30:06):
teams play basketball right before the boys are. Right AFTER
and i remember, my wife who's not a big basketball
person like she would just. Go watch she's heard me make.
These comments, she'll watch like the girls play and then
watch the. Boys PLAY and, i mean it's not even the.
SAME sport, i MEAN and i remember, her, saying, like
boy you weren't really exaggerating when you were saying a
(30:28):
high school boys team would DESTROY the. Wnba, champs no
the high school boys state champ team would BEAT The
Wnba all star team BY forty, i mean this is
not Even a but a lot of people don't know
my Point on this is what he's pointing out is
the way they train the best college basketball Teams, in
america the national, champion teams is they compete against. Intramural
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boys that's not guys that play on the men's, basketball
team intermural teams buck and they run them and they
have to put rule in the girls can't get the
ball around across half court against good boys intramural players
ON college i, did, THIS indeed, D three i did
this in soccer.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
And basketball i'd play against the girls team like girls team.
Members offseason they couldn't do it officially because but, they would,
you know we would have a thing and they'd get
guys who were willing to play the sport who, were
intermural not on the actual varsity teams for, the men
and it. Was, competitive yes it'd be.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
Like you it'd be like you.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
AND me i, don't know how do you think we
would fare IN a wnba game if we had like
a couple of months to shoot around a, little bit,
you know get a little, limber first you KNOW what,
i mean kind of.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
STRETCH out I think i'd be all right.
Speaker 6 (31:35):
OUT there I think I'd, be okay we're a little
we're a, little undersized but we'd be.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
All, RIGHT yeah, i mean look the, ball handling some of,
that stuff the passing there would need to. Be Practice
but i'm not kidding a Good boys championship. Caliber team
i'm talking about, like, fifteen sixteen seventeen. Year olds they
would smoke the. Best PLAYERS now I don't i'm not
intending that to be. An insult i'm just kidding about
players would completely kick our asses because we're old and
(31:59):
we don't. Shoot anymore but go ahead that when they're
saying boys should, be able men should be able to
play in, women's sports boys should be able to play in.
Girls sports, to me the only way to demonstrate how
absurd it is is to take it out of the
theoretical and actually allow it, to occur which Is why
i'm putting my.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Money worthy but you.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Say this you, Say This but i'll just, Point, out
clay that everyone knows THAT the us women's national, soccer
team which has been a powerhouse for women's soccer globally
for twenty years now gets absolutely crushed by under sixteen
elite men's. Soccer teams fifteen year. Old guys they, Don't
change they. Haven't changed there, you know you See what,
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I'm saying like we?
Speaker 7 (32:39):
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Speaker 1 (32:40):
DON'T care i think it needs. TO happen i think we.
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Speaker 6 (35:07):
And book, COMING up i actually do want to talk
a little bit About the mamdani Situation In. New york
there's some great updates on That, and clay are you?
Yet ready we'll still take your calls and talkbacks and
everything on this transgender. Sports issue are you ready to
unveil the mascot of your proposed expansion Team For?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Nashville's Balls nashville balls FOR my wnba team that is
going to play only men that identify, as women the
most inclusive team, in history the most pro trans team,
in history.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Also a team that will.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Not lose some of you are suggesting that our mascot
Should Be Harry.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
Harry balls what's.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
A little Bit like Harry from harry And the henderson's
except he has a big.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Ball head.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
It's people are thrown around Like a. Sasquatch, Guy Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Harry balls.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I'm, telling, you Man The harry balls would be a
dynasty the likes of which have never been seen in women's.
Basketball history and can you IMAGINE what? I get like
all the awards? For INCLUSION would i be The trans
man Of.
Speaker 7 (36:21):
The year.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Can you imagine me just going up and accepting.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
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Speaker 2 (36:41):
Go balls it's important for men to take back over
women's sports once and.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
For all
Welcome back in Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We're rolling through the Monday edition of the program. Record
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continue to grow in our outreach. We go up now
to Minnesota where Senate candidate on the Republican side, also
former NFL sideline reporter Michelle Tafoya is with us and
(00:44):
Michelle the amount of interest in the Sophie Cunningham decision
to say men shouldn't be able to compete in women's
sports and then the fallout in the WNBA has continued.
There were protests and supportive rallies and port when there
were protests and supportive rallies in Minneapolis. You were at
(01:04):
the rally yesterday in Minneapolis with among others, our friend
Jennifer Say who runs xxx why, our friend from out Kick,
Riley Gaines, and many others. What was that like? Take
us to that location. Describe the scene when we pulled up.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
We were driving up to the spot and we saw
these the protesters on the other side. So we saw
the flags, and we saw the bullhorns, and we were thinking,
where's Jen.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Where's Jen?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Say?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
So I texted her, so where are you? She said,
I'm with these people.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So we went back, we got out of the car,
we walked over there, and I.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Would say numbers wise, we.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Outnumbered them, but they of course out volumed us. They
had a couple of bullhorns, and the things that they
would do were very typical of leftist protesters. They would
play their sirens sound through the bullhorn so that we
could not be heard. They would just shout obscenities. You
saw in the video some of the people trying to
(02:08):
pull t shirts out of people's hands, just obscene signs,
the things that they were calling us.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
It was quite something.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
At one point, guys, I felt like probably it was
nineteen oh one, because we were chanting let women speak,
Let women speak, And I was sitting there thinking to myself,
my gosh, this is bizarre. We are asking people to
just let us speak. And every time we even tried
to huddle our group just to have like a little
pep talk within us, they would jump right in it.
(02:39):
There was no getting around them. Like I said, I
think we outnumbered them. We had tons of support. We
even had Democrats over there who were holding up signs
saying Democrats were title line.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
It was quite a scene.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I'm glad Riley arrived just before the game because it
would have been ugly for her, you know, the kind
of target she has become.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
But she arrived.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
We kind of whisked her into Target center and let
her go on to her seats.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
But it was something.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
Michelle, thanks for being here with us. As you know,
Clay is the one who follows the sports world very closely.
I like video games and so I recall the first
time I ever came across you, your voice was one
of the Madden games. So you've been in the sports
world and know the shall I say, the commentary and
reporting sports apparatus around all this. Clay has been telling
(03:32):
me for some time on this issue and a whole
range of issues, more left wing than the political media,
which I thought was impossible. It seems to be the
case from what I can observe. Tell me this, of
the people who are commenting on that, they're all these
big sports radio hosts and sports podcasters and other than
my buddy Clay over here. Do they actually believe this
(03:53):
stuff they say about the trans athletes in you know,
women's sports or are they just more terrified? Is it
more of what I see with Caitlin Clark, which is
she just doesn't want to get caught in the crossfire situation?
Speaker 7 (04:06):
Like do these.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Athletes that I see former athletes They're all huddled around
tables on ESPN two all day long talking about the
next big contract for some guy whose name I don't know.
Do they actually think that women and men should be
playing in the same professional leagues?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I don't believe that they do. I really don't believe
that they do. Now.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I can't speak for all of them, but I can
say this to you, and Clay knows this that in
my outreach, whether it was during my podcast, which is,
you know, on hiatus while I run right now, or
during my candidacy, I've asked some pro athletes to jump
on board and come and campaign with me on this issue.
In particular, one of those athletes, and I'm not going
(04:47):
to out them, has very successful athletic daughters and they
are very successful, and he didn't want to speak out
on this issue because he was worried about the brands
he is associated with. That's where this pressure is coming from.
I think it's these endorsements or the brands that the
(05:07):
people have, and they're just afraid.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Fortunately, there have been some courageous people.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I saw that Brian Urlocker came out this morning on
x OR on one of the platforms and said his
piece about this. Some of them are having the courage
to speak. But I think some people are thinking, oh,
this will blow over. I don't need to speak out.
This is such a ridiculous issue. This is going to
blow over soon, and so it doesn't matter whether or
not I speak.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
That isn't the case, it seems.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
So this is what makes Sophie Cunningham unique and important
in this whole movement. She is an active professional athlete
on a big stage. Her platform is magnified because she's
teammates with Caitlin Clark and she's said it and she
said it with love, and that's what we were trying
(05:56):
to do yesterday. To one very interesting incident yesterday during
the protest on our side, we had a woman who
is a former.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
High school athlete.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
She happens to be black, and the protesters, the counter
protesters on the other side told her, you're not supposed
to be with them, You're supposed to be with us because.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Of the color of her skin.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
That bothered her, and it should and it should bother
all of us that somehow they want to co opt
race into this too, or bring it in.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
It's just completely conflating the issues.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
So they apparently they believe that if you're a person
of color, which by the way, my background, I'm brown,
I have a very brown daughter, we just don't look
at it that way. This is in a vacuum, an
issue about fairness, about biology, about science, and about protecting
women period.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
The end, I got a couple of thoughts on this.
And you have covered sports for a very very long
time prior to citing to run for Sennadon.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I covered the WNBA with Reggie Miller for many seasons
when it first came up.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Okay, So that's where I want to go if we
had had this conversation, because I think there's a lot
of people out there that just can't believe that we
got here right that in twenty twenty six, the WNBA
many of the coaches would be coming out and saying, yes,
we're fine with men who identify as women. I mean,
we had a movie mocking this idea called Juwana Man
(07:31):
back in the day in two thousand and five, Michelle,
if I had predicted twenty years from now roughly that
there would be on the left a strong argument that
it is inclusive to include men, would you have believed it?
Speaker 7 (07:46):
Part one?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Part two? Women?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
You look at the Supreme Court, three of them women
said yes, men should be able to play women's sports.
If you listen to a lot of people in the
media eCos system, very often it is women making this argument.
Men overwhelmingly, I think, believe that this is absurd. Certainly
we don't see because biology is real women who are
(08:11):
identifying as men suddenly being able to play any male
pro sports. So this is not a conversation in any
way in male sports in any respect. Right, would you've
ever believe we would be here? Do women have to
win this debate? And why are so many women so
willing to give up femininity handed off? After all the
(08:32):
battles women have had to fight to be treated equal
to men who want to take over women's spaces. Yet again,
that's the biggest irony to me.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
It truly is an irony.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
And when you see a coach like Cheryl Reeve, when
you see these coaches coming out and very publicly saying
trans kids belong, that's a really nebulous statement. By the way,
sports has always been exclusive. And here's what I mean
by that, girls have their own division. I was a
(09:04):
very young kid, youngest of four kids, three sisters, one brother.
Brother was a great athlete, title nine past. I remember
my for whatever it's worth, my Hispanic father coming to
me and saying this past, this is so great for
you and your sisters. You're gonna have opportunities your mom
never had, your auntie's never had.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
This is great. He was my basketball coach growing up.
My dad was. This is bizarre.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I think it is this notion of tolerance, this virtue
signaling of tolerance, of acceptance of inclusivity.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Well, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Players both male and female get cut from their teams
every single.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Day because you don't have an unlimited number of roster spots.
You just don't.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
So players get cut. Salaries get determined by how good
you are. Caitlin Clark has a lot of endorsement. State
Farm comes to mind because she is a massive star.
So yeah, it you know, don't tell me it's not exclusive,
because it is. It is based on merit and we
wouldn't have it any other way. We loved cheering for
(10:16):
our teams in the World Cup. We loved cheering for
the US team because we wanted them to win.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
We didn't want everyone to tie. We wanted them to win.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
That by its very nature, is based on meritocracy and exclusivity.
Not everyone got to play on the men's US soccer team,
the national team, because they had to cut players who
couldn't make the grade.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
You see. You know, so this is what's extraordinary to me.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
It's it's sport is by its very nature, based on a.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Lot of autocracy and exclusivity.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Yeah, you'll notice when they want you to lie about
one thing, which you find, Michelle, is they actually want
you to lie about a lot of things, which is
not yea to this situation. But that's how the Left operates.
And we're speaking of Michelle de Foy. Michelle, before we
get you a break here, you're running for Senate. How's
that going. How's the Senate showdown looking?
Speaker 4 (11:07):
It's very interesting, it's looking good. I have blinders on.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I take the Kobe Bryant mentality that I'm always in
last place, but our primary polling looks very very good.
Once we get past the primary, which is next Tuesday,
August eleventh, we find out which candidate on the Democrat
side we're going to be running against, and that's when
it gets very very real.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
But this is a big issue here in Minnesota. We
had a high school.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Softball team win the state championship, the state tournament a
year ago, maybe it's been two now, who had a.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Mail, a biological mail as their pitcher. They won the stage.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
Yeah, yeah, I'm crazy.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
It's it's incredible. And we also Amy klobish Are, the.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Senator who is now running for governor here, has said
she will continue to allow boys to play in girls' sports.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
So there you have it.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
But Buck and I were just talking about this last
question for you. Some people might say, well, there's a
lot of other issues, and there obviously are, but I'm
curious when you're going around in campaigning. The thing that
I would say about this is it cuts through the noise, because,
as Buck said, once you're requiring me to tell a
lie about your political perspectives, I can't trust you on taxes.
(12:27):
I can't trust you on foreign policy because you've already
told me that you'll lie to me about basic biology.
Do you find that to cut through the noise and
for people to be responsive in that way?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yes, And of course here in Minnesota, we are the
epicenter of fraud in this country, and so that was
a lie too.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
We got lied to by.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
A number of people who are running for office, including
Peggy flannagain, the lieutenant governor, who is running for the
United States Senate, and she's running against a sit in
Congresswoman Angie Craig, who has been endorsed by Tim Walls
and his wife, so.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
She won't talk about fraud.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Fraud is a massive issue, and the reason people are
so angry is because, Yeah, they were lied to. They
were stolen from the people who should be receiving benefits
from these programs were lied to. They didn't get their
benefits because they were stolen from them.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So this is.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Along those same lines, and I think this issue does
cut through. I think Minnesotan's on both sides of the aisle.
This is an eighty twenty at least issue here in Minnesota.
Men should not be playing in women's sports. Women earned
their place, And I honestly can't believe that I was
on a street corner in downtown Minneapolis shouting let women
(13:44):
speak it. Honestly, you guys, it felt like, you know,
I was back in Mary Poppins when they were trying
to get the vote.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Back in the day.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Remember the mom and Mary Poppins was try as he
was out there fighting for women.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
I don't know if people remember that film, but she was.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
And that's what I felt like, where are we that
women are having to say this to other women, by
the way, not just two men, but to other women.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
It's astonishing.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
It's I keep thinking we're going to get over this
and kind of flip the switch on this, and it
has yet to happen.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
Shelle Tafoya thank you so much, Michellefoya dot com. Everybody
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and appreciate you being here.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I appreciate it. Guys, have a great day. Thanks for
having me.
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Speaker 6 (15:51):
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and Buck listeners, viewers, et cetera. Let's get to some
of your talkbacks which we love, which come through the
iHeart app. Joe from Huntington Beach, this is a he's
(16:15):
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Speaker 7 (16:16):
Play it.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
Hey, It's not even about you know Lebron would score
one hundred points a game in the WNBA. It's about
the six foot five former JC player playing at a
local ref park who could average sixty points a game
in the WNBA. He's making forty grand a year working
at the airport, and the WNBA the average salaries one thirty,
(16:37):
one hundred and thirty thousand.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Why can't he?
Speaker 9 (16:39):
Jay?
Speaker 7 (16:39):
I mean Joe rather, you're a Joe.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
You're one hundred percent correct, But I think we've talked
about this a little bit before, but that's why Clay
is offering for a champion high school team to play
WNBA team. But yes, Joe, your point is absolutely spot on.
If you had a guy who's six' five who is
a decent basketball player at any college, level best player
in THE wnba, tomorrow full, stop no.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Question, yeah and he would he would AVERAGE i Mean
i'm not kidding about, this fifty to. TWENTY i mean
he would be able to score every time he got
the basket. Basketball some people are, saying what size ball
would they play? With you play with the little. One
the men have a huge advantage because you can manipulate
the ball to such an extent and also it's way
(17:20):
easier to make. Shots nobody talks about this when the
ball is smaller in the rim as the same, Size
if you practice with, it it just gets easier and.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Easier, also the tallest player in the W, Or Britney,
griner is among the tallest players in THE wnba at
six point. NINE i mean there are six nine, either
there are point guards who are six to eight in THE,
WNBA i mean in THE nba these, Days like that's
so you're talking about a totally different physicality in every
(17:51):
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Bundle welcome back, In clay And.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Buck we are rolling through the second hour of the.
Program we got a ton of times And bunck AND
i were just talking off. Air this is one WHERE
i just there's so much reaction to.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
This men being able to play in women's.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Sports story that is everywhere and continues to accelerate in
the wake Of Sophie. CUNNINGHAM i, Thought, buck that Rational
democrats when The Supreme court came out with their, decision
which was six,' three i thought that they, Would, say
okay we disagree with, the decision but let's take an off.
RAMP here i just want you to think about this for.
(19:32):
A moment democrats are fighting harder for men to compete
in women's sports than they are on almost any level across.
The sun and use abortion, for instance which is a
cultural flashpoint for. Multiple generations dobbs happens every state makes
(19:53):
a decision about what abortion law is in, their states
and largely now they may try to bring it back
up in twenty. Twenty eight but it feels very much
like abortion to a large extent is not a divisive
in the same way that it was for generations Before
The supreme court. Ruled, Issue meanwhile democrats are going to
(20:14):
the mat on men and women's sports and buck to.
Your point, they're saying this is never, an issue this,
doesn't matter why do? You care and our response, just,
okay well then let's just, end. It right all you
have to do is, just, say okay on, this issue
we're not going to. Do it they can't because they
have decided that men pretending to be women is basically
(20:37):
the civil rights issue of, the day and they can't
allow this to occur because then it just the whole
house of cards of, their, identity politics worldview begins.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
To collapse the other part of THIS that i want
everyone to keep in mind as we discuss this and
be prepared for a whole lot more of the why
do you care? So much or or a veryon of
that it's not happening. That much why are you so focused? On,
it yways that's. Always interesting it's the new civil, rights,
Struggle comma but why are you so focused?
Speaker 7 (21:10):
ON it i.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
DON'T know i would think the civil rights struggle will
be something we would all want to, talk, about right,
federal policy the civilizational basis of men and women. Being different,
you know there's a lot of stuff to get, into Here,
but clay this is a reminder for all, of us and.
IT'S less i think it's going to be a lot
less of a focus broadly in the midterms than it
(21:30):
will be in the. Presidential election if you Get a,
DEMOCRAT administration i don't care who. It is by, THE
way i don't care if it's, You Know, president Kamala
like clay says it, would Be Or president NEWSOM or
aoc or you know whoever, you think or even like
who's the guy From wes moore Or In kentucky, basher
(21:53):
right some of these other candidates that aren't as famous on,
the scene but people are. Talking about there will be
an executive order From The Democrat white house that your,
you know sixteen year old daughter who's on a travel
soccer team is going to have to square up against
a sixteen year old dude who's going to be throwing
her around and you can't do anything. About it that's
(22:15):
the reality that we all face as. A country you,
know IT and i, know it so don't fall for
these things are very. Much linked don't fall for a
second For their it's not that big. A deal why
are you so focused? On it that's because they do
not have the boot heel of government to slam down
on your back right now and make you cry and.
Say uncle that's the only reason they're playing it.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
That Way comments sophia is telling me are, absolutely hysterical
as one might imagine in the YouTube chat. RIGHT now
a bunch of them. Out there i'll read, you one
and some of you have very good senses. Of humor
it's not going. TO surprise a themed dight could be
(22:57):
For The. Nashville ballers my NEW w nba franchise starring
only men pretending to be women could be One dollar,
wiener night one dollar, Hot, dogs yes. Thank you Lots
of wiener jokes In the in the chat, on YouTube,
let's see we got a bunch Of talkbacks bob And,
Oh russia russia.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Weighing in on men and.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
WOMEN'S sports i will, Point, out buck you Were Mentioning.
Britney griner biden made the worst trade in the history
of Mankind when russia got the Merchant of death and,
we got.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And We Got.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Britney griner russia got one of the great illegal arms
dealers of. All time some might even call him the
goat of illegal. Arms dealing we got a tall LESBIAN
who i would point out, As. Well buck She's Divorcing
britney griner is the wife who stood by her while
she was In a russian colin, penal colony that'suing. Phrase
(23:56):
there so she's now getting divorced from the one And
that biden. Brought In So britney griner also having love.
Life problems Bob, IN moscow i wonder if they're gonna
are they gonna Cut the subaru?
Speaker 5 (24:09):
In?
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Half clay how does?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That work.
Speaker 10 (24:14):
Which is the was some poor guy driving around in
the super rus like it's not just the lesbians who drives.
Subarous guys is a, great vehicle a, great price poor
guy pulls in.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Every day.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Is there any other objects? Out there there? Some, objects
sorry We have Bob. In russia he wants to talk
a lesbian Vehicle in russia, as well known As.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
The, subaru.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
No because it's not Promoted. In russia there's many lesbians and,
gay people but it's not allowed to. Be promoted even in,
regular life you very seldom see people making out. In
public it's just their culture is just considered taboo to
be making out, in public even though people don't make
(25:04):
out in, PUBLIC still i mean, making kiss but the
making out and groping just. Doesn't happen but the one
lesbian player in the basketball league who stated that all
she had to do was talk to us because there's
many of us in the league that, basically said the
league is all on discrimination against straight women in street
(25:28):
because it's. All discrimination because she just, basically said and
That's Why caitlen clark, is targeted not so much because of,
the race because, she's very very straight and her beliefs
doesn't count and accept the. Lesbian nature thank.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
You for, The, CALL bob i do think buck we
Played The caitlin, clark responds she is being attacked because she's,
a white straight player in a league that is majority
either black and.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Or, lesbian well and she's also the best player in,
the league which they pretend. She's not, but oh someone
at her. BEST play. I don't, i, MEAN look i am.
Not someone now you're GOING full. WNBA analyst i like.
His play who's, The top who's.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
THE top i, think again there are many people who
watch a LOT more wnba BASKETBALL than. I do i
don't think she's the best player. Right now she may
end up being the best player. One day she's three.
YEARS in i think. SHE'S top i. Don't know seven
or eight players in the league would be a fair
approximation of where she ranks.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
Right now she's the biggest audience draw.
Speaker 11 (26:32):
For.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Tickets far she is the. Biggest draw. By far she
is the. Biggest draw she's the only reason anybody cares ABOUT.
THE wnba, i like so you protecting.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
The integrity OF the, Wnba here but, BE like, i
mean she's, elite guys but. She's not like there's some
other players in there that, are, really uh, you know
doing a.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Great job LOOK when I when i HAVE my, wnba franchise,
and eventually when when my men pretending to be women
have won n sixty four, consecutive games they, may, Say,
Hey clay we're gonna ban your dudes pretending to be
girls from. Our league And then i'll have to go
back into the draft chart and figure out who the best.
(27:11):
Players are Let's see Josh In new jersey.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
Fire away, all, right gentlemen and your show.
Speaker 11 (27:19):
Is awesome and if you do Get That, Team clay
i'm gonna get. Even tickets let's face the FACT the
wnba is the world's largest affirmative. Action program it GETS no,
tv ratings but it GETS a tv contract and it
gets funded if people, don't know and subsidized by the
billions that come INTO the nba every. Single, year Now
When kaitlyn clark was getting mugged when she came in
(27:41):
the league three, YEARS ago, i said the only thing
that's gonna stop this Is If kaitlyn clock Turns Into,
bobby clock and then it'll come to an end. Revery
fest check out some of those Highlights Of bobby clock
when we. Play Hockey. Stellis now the thing is people
have to realize that when you have men playing against
women and you have young children dissecting themselves in some
(28:03):
of our major medical centers by doctors who go along,
By this america is Now at Comedy is chinese Version
Of Saturday. Night live they're laughing. At us they're laughing
whether they saw the Key the left take the fifth
when those serial Killers In commonies china set that. Virus
here so now the biggest, thing guys now is this
(28:24):
people who are eighteen years old in the, nineteen nineties
people should ask them why they didn't Vote For Patrick.
Joseph buchanan we wouldn't be In the mets we're, in.
Today Guys and i'm getting those season tickets claim.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Thank you that's Wide.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Range callbuck i'm going to buy season tickets TO your. Wnba,
FRANCHISE also i want to go Back To pap buchanan's
campaign in nineteen. Ninety two we'd be in a lot
better shape if we had made. That choice Dave in iowa, Fire, Away,
dave yeah hey.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
Go balls definitely future scene. Ticket, holder yeah this is
a marketing gold mine that you have. Going on this
is gonna. Be great but case say real Quickly With,
katele clark when she Was, at Iowa The Des moines
register had an article and it was on the managers
For that iowa women's team and they, were men THEY
(29:18):
were i think. Grad, Students yeah and when they prepared
them for the future games of the, upcoming games they
were restricted on how they could play against that team in.
The practices in one of them was they couldn't dunk
on them and they couldn't play physical. Against, Them yep
so what does that tell you? Right there, You know
(29:38):
but if you get, a chance try to find. That article.
It is it's a good read and.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
It's, interesting yeah thank you for, The.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
CALL bucket i don't know how many people know this
because some people just don't know that much. ABOUT sports,
I mean i would, just say go watch a eighth
grade girls basketball team play right before or after an
eighth grade boys basketball, team plays and did diference between
the play is night? And, Day right if you have
young KIDS like, i do sometimes they'll have the girls
(30:06):
teams play basketball right before the boys are. Right AFTER
and i remember, my wife who's not a big basketball
person like she would just. Go watch she's heard me make.
These comments, she'll watch like the girls play and then
watch the. Boys PLAY and, i mean it's not even the.
SAME sport, i MEAN and i remember, her, saying, like
boy you weren't really exaggerating when you were saying a
(30:28):
high school boys team would DESTROY the. Wnba, champs no
the high school boys state champ team would BEAT The
Wnba all star team BY forty, i mean this is
not Even a but a lot of people don't know
my Point on this is what he's pointing out is
the way they train the best college basketball Teams, in
america the national, champion teams is they compete against. Intramural
(30:51):
boys that's not guys that play on the men's, basketball
team intermural teams buck and they run them and they
have to put rule in the girls can't get the
ball around across half court against good boys intramural players
ON college i, did, THIS indeed, D three i did
this in soccer.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
And basketball i'd play against the girls team like girls team.
Members offseason they couldn't do it officially because but, they would,
you know we would have a thing and they'd get
guys who were willing to play the sport who, were
intermural not on the actual varsity teams for, the men
and it. Was, competitive yes it'd be.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
Like you it'd be like you.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
AND me i, don't know how do you think we
would fare IN a wnba game if we had like
a couple of months to shoot around a, little bit,
you know get a little, limber first you KNOW what,
i mean kind of.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
STRETCH out I think i'd be all right.
Speaker 6 (31:35):
OUT there I think I'd, be okay we're a little
we're a, little undersized but we'd be.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
All, RIGHT yeah, i mean look the, ball handling some of,
that stuff the passing there would need to. Be Practice
but i'm not kidding a Good boys championship. Caliber team
i'm talking about, like, fifteen sixteen seventeen. Year olds they
would smoke the. Best PLAYERS now I don't i'm not
intending that to be. An insult i'm just kidding about
players would completely kick our asses because we're old and
(31:59):
we don't. Shoot anymore but go ahead that when they're
saying boys should, be able men should be able to
play in, women's sports boys should be able to play in.
Girls sports, to me the only way to demonstrate how
absurd it is is to take it out of the
theoretical and actually allow it, to occur which Is why
i'm putting my.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Money worthy but you.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Say this you, Say This but i'll just, Point, out
clay that everyone knows THAT the us women's national, soccer
team which has been a powerhouse for women's soccer globally
for twenty years now gets absolutely crushed by under sixteen
elite men's. Soccer teams fifteen year. Old guys they, Don't
change they. Haven't changed there, you know you See what,
(32:38):
I'm saying like we?
Speaker 7 (32:39):
DO this I think i.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
DON'T care i think it needs. TO happen i think we.
KNOW that i think a lot of.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
People DON'T but i think the, easiest way the reason
you roll the ball out and play a game is
to prove what the. Result is and the BEST thing
i can do is put money on the table and
see if anybody will. EVER bite i think a ton
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Your podcasts welcome Back into clay.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
And book, COMING up i actually do want to talk
a little bit About the mamdani Situation In. New york
there's some great updates on That, and clay are you?
Yet ready we'll still take your calls and talkbacks and
everything on this transgender. Sports issue are you ready to
unveil the mascot of your proposed expansion Team For?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Nashville's Balls nashville balls FOR my wnba team that is
going to play only men that identify, as women the
most inclusive team, in history the most pro trans team,
in history.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Also a team that will.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Not lose some of you are suggesting that our mascot
Should Be Harry.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
Harry balls what's.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
A little Bit like Harry from harry And the henderson's
except he has a big.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Ball head.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
It's people are thrown around Like a. Sasquatch, Guy Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Harry balls.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I'm, telling, you Man The harry balls would be a
dynasty the likes of which have never been seen in women's.
Basketball history and can you IMAGINE what? I get like
all the awards? For INCLUSION would i be The trans
man Of.
Speaker 7 (36:21):
The year.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Can you imagine me just going up and accepting.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
The, awards oh, the crowd the, crowd action. All this,
you guys your comments and thoughts. Are brilliant i'm Loving
the i'm loving the USE. Of ai, i'm like come
crying over here stuff you're sending Us about clay's expansion
franchise team FOR The Wnba.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Go balls it's important for men to take back over
women's sports once and.
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