June 12, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show podcast centers on a fast-paced mix of breaking foreign policy developments, national security analysis, technology competition, cultural commentary, and listener engagement, making this hour a dynamic continuation of the program’s in-depth political coverage. Emphasizing that this is Hour 2 of the program, Buck Sexton leads with an extended analysis of the ongoing and highly fluid U.S.–Iran negotiations, questioning conflicting reports about whether a deal is imminent or still unresolved. He revisits earlier predictions about a weak agreement framework and highlights the confusing timeline of military escalation, canceled strikes, drone attacks, and diplomatic claims, noting sharp contradictions between the Trump administration and Iranian officials. The discussion underscores the complexity of Middle East geopolitics, nuclear negotiations, Strait of Hormuz tensions, and global oil market implications, while raising skepticism about whether Iran is negotiating in good faith or using delay tactics.
A major portion of Hour 2 features an interview with Steve Yates, senior fellow at The Heritage Foundation, former National Security official, and the host of the newest C&B Podcast Network Show, Nation States with Yates. Steve provides deeper analysis of the Iran deal negotiations, the role of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), and the challenges of enforcing any agreement. Yates cautions that even if a framework emerges, maintaining compliance will be difficult due to internal divisions within Iran’s leadership and competing factions influencing decision-making. The conversation explores potential military options, including a high-risk operation targeting Iran’s Karg Island oil infrastructure, which could dramatically impact Tehran’s economy but would require significant U.S. military involvement. This segment also expands into broader U.S.–China competition and global security strategy, with discussion of President Donald Trump’s approach to trade, alliances, and diplomacy, as well as the importance of strategic stability and economic leverage in international negotiations.
Another key topic in Hour 2 of the show is the impact of the SpaceX IPO and the growing role of private sector innovation in national security, with Yates describing space technology as one of the most significant strategic developments of the modern era. The conversation highlights how advancements in satellite communications, missile tracking, and space-based infrastructure give the United States a major advantage in competition with China, reinforcing themes of technological leadership, defense innovation, and economic strength. This analysis positions SpaceX not just as a business success story but as a critical component of future global power dynamics and military capability.
Beyond geopolitics, Hour 2 includes lighter but highly engaging content driven by audience interaction, including a humorous and widely debated segment about what constitutes a “male Karen,” with listeners offering a range of names and perspectives. Buck uses this discussion to segue into broader reflections on social behavior, public etiquette, and the importance of civility, emphasizing that maintaining basic standards of conduct in daily life contributes to a functional society. The show also incorporates lifestyle and career advice, spotlighting viral commentary that stresses the value of positivity, likability, and interpersonal skills in the workplace, with Buck reinforcing that these traits are essential in an era where automation and AI are reshaping job markets.
The hour concludes with additional listener calls that expand on workplace dynamics and personal development, reinforcing the theme that attitude and communication skills are critical to professional success. Overall, Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a comprehensive blend of foreign policy analysis, military strategy, technological competition, economic implications, and cultural discussion, offering listeners a multifaceted look at the day’s most pressing issues while maintaining the show’s signature mix of serious commentary and engaging audience interaction
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour of play and Buck kicks off right now.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Play is I think today he's seeing the US World
Cup mat right, guys, Isn't that right? So I don't
think they're gonna pull him on the field. Play used
to play soccer, so did. He got two guys who
used to play soccer. But they still love America.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
But we are paradoxes playing in our own way. We're
also Americans who don't really like driving very much. Kind
of funny how we aligned on some of these things.
But yeah, he's with I think his boys and they're
going to go see the game. I'm with you here.
We have a lot to talk about today. I just
(00:41):
want to note something. The team pulled this for me
on the Iran deal. They noted this because somebody were like, Buck,
why do you keep saying, well, this is what I've
been saying. Well, we could go back this cut thirty two, Mike,
We could go back to May twenty eighth and say
(01:03):
this is what I said about where I thought this
was going. Play thirty two Axio supported. There's a deal?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Who the latest is with this?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
For some there is an a deal, a deal agreed to.
According to Barack revid at Axios. President Trump is waiting
to officially sign off on it. This is the report,
and I would imagine there will be further denials than
reports that it's done again. But the basic framework here
(01:34):
would be sixty days to figure out more. I will say, wow, Wow,
I just say, that's a terrible that's a terrible deal.
It's gonna be very clear that if there's a sixty
day to figure out the deal, which we don't know yet, Clay,
that's a trash deal.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Just saying it's just the truth. That just means that
that we don't have the leverage that we pretended to
have and we're not making them do what we said
we'd make them do. And I warned you guys about this.
We're all, pop Why are you so sour on this?
I don't know, man, because I've been in these craphole countries.
I know how this stuff goes. So that was a
couple of weeks ago. Now here we are as of
(02:10):
this morning, June twelfth, twenty twenty six, last twenty four hours,
so it's still highly fluid. You got contradictory phases of
de escalation claims amid ongoing low level conflict right, So
the Trump is saying, we got a deal. They blew
some stuff up, they're not being nice, but we have
a deal. So you had the down Apache helicopter and
(02:33):
then Iranian retaliation and now Trump was threatening further escalation,
then abruptly pulled back, then said there was a deal.
Now says that there's almost basically a deal. So yeah,
on June eleventh, he said, we're going to hit her
on very hard tonight. And also there was the talk
(02:56):
of seizing control of Iranian oil infrastructure, most notably carg Isle,
and that would be quite a military operation. They have
armed up carg Island. Remember, hitting something from the air
is quite different than actually landing our people on the
ground to not only take, but then hold and defend.
(03:18):
And this would be going on I think like twenty
kilometers or something from the Iranian mainland. So it's a
little island just off their coast, and this is critical
for their oil infrastructure. But if we take it, we
then have to hold it. It's not just like we
blow up a site and then it's done. So Trump
(03:40):
then said he posted on truth social that he's canceled
the scheduled strikes because the highest levels of Iranian leadership
had approved the deal, he says, a great settlement of
the war, and then it would possibly be signed over
the next few days or maybe this weekend in Europe,
potentially with Vice President Advance and then and then the
(04:02):
Iranians apparently said some stuff out in the media about
what was in the deal, and Trump now says that
that's all a lie. So they're lying about the deal.
We have agreement on the deal, but they're publicly lying
about the deal. But the deal's about to get done. Boy,
So this is where we are. Why does this matter
so much right now? Well, for one thing, by the way,
(04:25):
the foreign minister spokesman for Iran said that reports of
a deal are speculative and nothing has been finalized, and
Iran has not reached a conclusion. So that's the Iranian
foreign minister or foreign ministry speaking on this. And so
far their version of the deal that has been leaked
differs sharply from US claims. So no full transfer of
(04:48):
the straight of Hoar moves. This is what they're saying.
Includes Lebanon ceasefire part of an agreement, nuclear program not
fully covered that's going to go into separate sixty day
talks some immediate gradual release of frozen assets, compensation for
war damage, no missile program concessions, and Iran. That's this
(05:10):
is according to New York Times. By the way, Iron
is insisting on its version publicly. So I don't know.
I don't know. The Foreign Minister though said agreement has
never been closer. So, guys, I mean, at some level,
maybe part of this, to be totally fair to the
whole situation, maybe part of it is that there is
a it's such a mess in Iran. It is such
(05:33):
a leadership. I'm trying to think of a word I
could say on radio, screw up, because we removed a
lot of their leadership. That the confusion is a result
of that more than it is actually. Basically, the reports
on this are as much about the different factions saying
(05:58):
different things, all being act. It's not that anyone's misleading this,
or at least that the Trump is trying to be
too aggressive on the way he positions the deal. The
whole thing is, it's pretty crazy, pretty pretty crazy. This
is Trump yesterday, This has cut seven and this is
what he said about this. I want you to hear
it from the man himself. Play it they've.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Taken accounting like very few people could take, and they
want to make the deal a lot more than I do.
And you could have had it done the other way,
I guess, but it would have taken longer.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
They get hit very.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Hard recently, as you know, and I don't like to
have to do things that way, but I felt it
was necessary. It's a great deal for the United States
and for the Middle East.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And I think ultimately great for a run.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Because they'll be able to build up their country and
their country.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I really believe it's a regime change because.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
I find these people to be much more rational than
the people that are no longer with us.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
We knocked out the first team of leadership.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
The second team of leadership is a different group. There's
a different level, and I think it's frankly, a smarter level,
and it's a level that has reason.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
And they've all approved the deal. Everybody's approved the deal.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Does everyone's approved the deal. You would think that Iran,
if they had agreed to the terms, would be in
a hurry to sign it so that they could start
to get relief, because if their energy sector is under
the pressure that we have been told and that it's
all about to come to a screeching halt, and they're
going to reach uh uh tank tops and all this
(07:26):
other stuff tank tasts, meaning their tanks can't take any
more oil and they can't pump it out of the ground.
Why aren't they Why isn't there a sense of urgency
from them? I don't have an answer for you on
that other than this thing is let's just all say,
my friends, it is complicated, something less important than the
Iran deal. Well, it depends on who you ask. Actually,
(07:48):
it's something that many of you felt very passionate about.
And that was the male Karen discussion you guys live.
We had a full invue yesterday of talkbacks and emails
and everything else after the show. It was just this
is what you all wanted to weigh in on, and
so I have to give you voice here on the program.
(08:10):
I can't just start this feud I suppose about what
a male Karen is supposed to be. You didn't like
my care him instead of Karen. That didn't seem to
go over. Well, here is a montage of your weighing
(08:30):
in on what a male Karen should be called. Play
a at my job.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
We've come up with a term for a male Karen,
and that is a Kevin.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yes, a male Karen is Kevin.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
I guess I'm Kevin because I have on occasion address
someone who is doing something that's pissing me off in public.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
How dare you insult my son's name Kevin. He is
nowhere near a Karen. Don't insult the Kevin's of the world.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
This is Kevin from Manchester, Tennessee. I think it's critical
that we resolve this name of a male Karen. So
I propose that from now on we call a male Karen.
Pelly seems to be good, Pelly.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I like where you were going there at the end.
Kevin from Manchester, Tennessee. Kevin standing strong for the Kevins
of the world, and also for Donna from Silver Lake, Wisconsin. Donna,
I wasn't I'm not the one who came up with
the Kevin that was. Take that up with your fellow listeners,
with the rest of our audio family here. I didn't
say that. I said Karen or you know, care him, sorry,
(09:38):
care him, which no one liked. So that was a wompomp.
But a lot of you feel very strongly that it
is or is not a Kevin I would just note
that Tim from Arizona who says that he talks to
people who are doing rude things in public. I think
as long as you begin the exchange with a firm
(10:01):
but respectful tone, you're in you know that that's the
way it should be, because we all should understand that
if you're doing something that is inconsiderate and annoying to
the people around you, you're actually the one who is
causing a problem. And the only way this can be addressed,
and the only way that we can have civilization as
we all enjoy it right now, is if people have
(10:23):
some basic concern for those around them, uh, and some
willingness to be a team player, if you will, with
the society that they live in. And I think it's
very important. Actually, I think that people who undermine this
stuff and say, oh, you're just you know, no, well,
those are people who honestly are just selfish and don't
want to think about other people, which is not an
(10:45):
attractive thing, not not a that's not a good trait.
You shouldn't always put your interest in yourself first, and
in public you should. There should be some basic rules
of decorum that we all can be held to oh
we have we have another care montage. Good heavens, this
is b listen to this one.
Speaker 8 (11:04):
Fuck.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
A male Karen is a Darren.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
We call a Karen.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
That's a male here as a darn.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
We're overthinking the male Karen name. A male Karen is.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Still a Karen, and male Karen is called a Karen.
If a guy is running around getting called in people's
business and being a busy body and bringing drama, his
name is Karen.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
A male Karen is a simple as it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Well, there you have it. You have spoken on this one,
and but I can tell you there was even more
than that. But we're not gonna not gonna have the
whole show taken over on this one issue. But people
felt very uh, very passionate about this one. I'm trying
to think of, Like, who is who is the most
famous Kevin of all time? Is a Costner? Probably who
(12:00):
who's the most like if you think with the name Kevin,
we haven't had a Kevin as president? Right? Who the
most famou do you guys think it's Costner? Am? I am? I?
Speaker 8 (12:08):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
On that one? Well there was Spacey Costner. Uh who
are you can even google this? Who are the most
famous Kevin's of all time, and it will tell us, Oh,
Kevin Hart and Kevin Costner according to Google, So find
(12:30):
Kevin Kevin there you go. Yeah, there's not that many
super famous Kevins. So you guys, I understand you want
to make you want to keep that brand value high.
I get it. We'll take more calls, take more talkbacks,
and we'll get into this California discussion as well. I
think Steve Yates be joining us too. He can explain
what the heck is going on with this hey Iran thing.
And for those of you who don't care about Ron,
(12:51):
just remember this is all about getting the oil price
down and getting us away from this whole thing so
that we can bring the focus home and win this
midterm election, which doesn't matter to all of not just
the gas price, but making sure the Democrats aren't in
a position to stymy the Trump agenda to hobble it
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Looking for normal in a world of crazy, Clay and
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Speaker 1 (14:33):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Clay sends
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Speaker 7 (14:38):
And the.
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The Internet these days, I gotta say there's a lot
of obviously a lot of stuff that's not I think
helpful for people to hear. That's putting it mildly. Okay.
Internet's a big place, a lot of stuff going on.
But among the younger generation, there are some influencers who
I think are really doing some worthwhile stuff. Actually, you know,
(15:03):
I don't really post on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I am a.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Viewer. I am in the audience seat, if you will,
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for any of you who are of the mind of
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it's named after a little town in Switzerland, a very
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actually gives young people while he's making jokes about this,
gives them really good advice. And he sat down on
(16:12):
a podcast recently and he said, what advice would you
give to young people entering the workforce or were starting
their careers. And I gotta tell you, I thought this
was really good, so I just wanted to share it
with you play it.
Speaker 10 (16:24):
I was very kindly invited to speak in Oxford last
week and the students asked.
Speaker 11 (16:28):
Me what I think the number one skill they should
work on is over the next few years, and I said,
number one above all is to actually just be pleasant.
I think people don't realize how valuable it is to
work with someone and be around someone.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
It's just generally pleasant and positive to be around.
Speaker 10 (16:44):
I think lots of hard skills can naturally be sped
up or even replaced to with AIVS days, but being
pleasant is something that is really so incredibly valuable. And
I've personally rather work with someone who's a seven out
of ten on skill but a ten out of ten
company wise, someone that I'm really excited to be around
them sit with, versus someone that's ten out of fen
on skill but quite unpleasant.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
To be around, or at least just it's not even
that pleasant.
Speaker 10 (17:08):
So honestly, I think a great life skill to work
on is just to generally be positive, to be likable,
and to be pleasant.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I gotta say, I think that's really in my forty
four years, I think that's excellent advice. As I get
older in life, I can tell you a lot of
things can be taught. Attitude, being pleasant, being a team player,
being someone that people want to be around in a
work environment. Whatever that means you will always have a
(17:37):
job if people want to be around you in the workplace.
It's just the truth. It's just the truth. And a
huge part of that is to be positive. And I
think at certain times when I work in the government,
I honestly failed in that in so far as I
was very grumpy about how bureaucratic and dysfunctional government was.
In media, I try to be very pleasant, but hey,
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new podcast on the Clay Endbuck Network. Nation States with
Yates and our friend Steve Yates joins us right now,
(19:08):
host of Nation States with Theyates, also senior fell out
the Heritage Foundation. Mister Yates, congrats on the success of
the first episodes of the pod. Can you just kind
of wade into where we are currently with the Iran situation?
Give us the what you think is going on, and
then you can take it to the where is this going.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
The look? I wish it was an easy and good
news story.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
I mean, we've sort of had on repeat these cycles
of a deal is imminent and then not surprisingly gets
broken by the remnants of the regime. The administration is
building this weekend up as somewhat bigger than times passed,
supposedly closer to having what the President calls a framework agreement.
I have a number of concerns about this because I
(19:55):
don't think the deal is an end state in this
Those that have made it very hard and long to
get to a deal, or exactly those who will make
it very complicated to hold a deal, and I see
the Revolutionary Guard as the long tent in the poll
that stands in the way. Frankly, I wish the President
would pull the arrow out of his quiver to degrade
the IRGC just a bit more, and maybe you would
(20:17):
have a better shot at something that might hold. But
at net for now we seem to be in perpetual
pursuit of a deal that somehow would hold the piece
and open the straight up remose for it. Further, I
just don't see that our experience over the last couple
of months should give a lot of faith if that's
what's really going to happen in the near term.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
What do you think of this carg Island possible? Really?
I that's that's ground troops, just reverence career. That means
we're sending in maybe it's a marine Expeditionary Unit or
expeditionary Force. Maybe it's a mix of rangers and some
other special operations guys. But what do you think about
that plan?
Speaker 7 (20:57):
Well? I would have gone for that or this, And
I frankly am surprised that we're three months in and
it's being talked about now. I'm also surprised it's being
talked about. If it's being talked about, that seems to
indicate it's a headfake. If it's something that we really
aim to do, we probably should have just done it
and then held where we are going. And if it's
(21:19):
going to use ground troops to take an offshore island,
that is definitely risky, but it's far less risky than
sending ground troops into Iran proper. And so it is
also ground zero of their energy supply that funds the
Revolutionary Guard. So I would have thought that this would
have been on the option set earlier. In this I
(21:40):
think is an advisable thing in the grand scheme of things,
if you're going to use force to make them have
to accept a deal on our terms. But I think
at the moment we seem to have held that out
there and chosen to have this next round of a
deal on paper first.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
So this deal also has something going on that I
can't really make sense of, which is Trump says it's
basically dare I say a done deal? But then you
have the Iranians, through some spokesman intermediary telling the New
York Times and among others, a whole bunch of deal
points and then Trump says, that's all trash, those are
(22:21):
all lies. I mean, there's nothing that the Iranian theocracy
of thugs could do that would really surprise me. But
what do you think the play is there? You know,
having been involved in White House national security negotiations before,
do they think that gives them some kind of weird
leverage or what is that?
Speaker 7 (22:42):
Well, it is definitely unusual, and it's one of the
problems of where we sort of have this three headed
hydra that we're dealing with after we took out the
Iatola at the beginning of this operation, there's no proof
of life that his successor is even on this planet.
We seem to get indirect word that there's a dispensation
(23:03):
from him about whether to accept or not accept these deals.
And the people that we're negotiating with don't seem to
be the ones that are responsible for firing on ships
in the Strait, firing on our bases in the broader region,
and so there seems to be a disconnect about who's
involved in the conversations, and the negotiations are being pushed
by in some cases convened by the Qataris, and that
(23:27):
is just one of the regional allies that matter in
this mix, and so I support the President in giving
diplomacy a try. I also support sort of two tracks
if you negotiate, but you keep strength and option and
you basically negotiate by way of force in.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
A parallel track.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
But this on again, off again is a little mystifying
to me. I do believe that if we decisively open
the straits, degrade the IRGC's capability a bit more, and
push internet capability across broader Iran so we could see
where the people are on this, then I think we'd
have better confidence that something better is on the horizon
(24:06):
that's complicating for the bad guys and better for Team
Freedom and hopefully is going to change the facts on
the ground in the straight very soon.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Steve Yates with US Nation States with Yates is his
excellent podcast on the klan Buck Network. Get it wherever
you listen to your podcasts, make sure you subscribe and
you'll get every episode as it comes out. Steve, I
wanted to pivot a little bit to you know, the
SpaceX IPO today, which has given a lot of headline
writers fun with through the moon and off like a
(24:36):
rocket and you know, like the headlines pretty much write
themselves on this one for the newspapers. But I wanted
to know how you think, because the national security implications
of having the premier space company, which we do now
in the world are clearly profound. How does this affect
(24:58):
you think are tech race with China? How do you
think the Chinese are viewing SpaceX and Elon's success up
to this point, and how are we doing how are
we stacking up against them in the realm of that
next layer, if you will, of national security competition, which
is going to be outside of our atmosphere.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Well, Buck coman not to put too fine a point
on it. I think this is the most important strategic
event of our lifetimes.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I think it will.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
Fundamentally change the terms of trade in the geostrategic competition.
It is how we take the so called commanding heights.
It affects global energy supplies if we are operating from
the Moon and we have sustainable data centers, solar power
that is self cooling in space, critical minerals, and rare
(25:49):
earths that actually can come from some parts of the
Moon's surface. But basically, commanding those heights will command the
comms of our planet as well, and we could do
it scale and much more affordable pricing than what the
traditional methods have been.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
And it absolutely matters to have first move or advantage.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
And in this way, I mean Elon Musk might be
the American of the millennium in being able to take
us there because our government funded space programs cost too much,
take too long, are not resusable and sustainable. And he's
shown what can be done with wildly advanced engineering. So
(26:29):
to me, this is one of the most important developments
the commercial free enterprise sector has brought to American national security.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
You know, they have the SpaceX has the Starshield network,
which provides secure communications for US military. I'm sure Teldon's
community is involved in this too, so that we have
truly global secure comms. You know, we don't have to
worry about in the very early days of the Intel
agencies anyone being worried about someone reading their mail like
(26:59):
old scool mail because people had to communicate via post.
So things have gone to a whole other level now.
And SpaceX is working with US intelligence and defense agencies
to develop all kinds of top secret sensing, surveillance, missile
track and capabilities from space So stee your point by
the way that this is that significant. I think that
(27:21):
really hits home because I see this too as as
a moment that people who have been worried about how
we stack up against China. SpaceX is a huge, huge
arrow in our quiver of not just commercial but national
security advantages against our biggest rival. What's the latest do
you think? I mean, you know, Trump traveled to China.
(27:43):
We didn't really get into this that much with you.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yet.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Where does the US China relationship stand at this point
of Trump term two?
Speaker 7 (27:54):
Well, President Trump has been sort of defining a target
of strategic stability, and we may have talked before. I mean,
I think the grand scheme of things, he has seen
the competition between the US and China, the disruption the
China has brought to the world trading system as something
that he alone maybe has made a priority in trying
to use all the tools from terrorists to others to
(28:16):
try to stabilize and normalize it. If able to sort
of make trade more fair and balanced, so to speak,
with China than other areas of strategic competition with China
might have better safer options. At the same time, we've
definitely gone full speed ahead with improving the independent capabilities
of our allies, most especially the alliance with Japan, and
(28:39):
that I think has fundamentally changed a bit of the
balance of power in East Asia to Team Freedom's advantage.
And so out of the summit, a lot of issues
were raised. They're going to be raised again if the
leaders meet as planned in September when the United Nations
General Assembly meets. President has invited Chijinping to come to
the United States and have a continent conversation. But there's
(29:01):
a lot of do outs from the first and second
meetings between leaders. There's the fentanyl progress, which they've promised
in lie my assessment they have not in fact delivered.
There are some communications the President's had to try to
get them to work on Moscow to pull back from
the war machine against Ukraine. I can't measure real progress
on that front. I wonder whether reasonable people would expect
(29:24):
Serve Vladimir to be receptive to such messaging. And then
there's this notion that the Chinese are in favor of
freedom of navigation and would try to push Iran to
make a deal and the war so that they could
get the oil they've paid for. And no question that
they have that commercial interest, but I don't think they've
made that strategic phone call to day, so a lot
of due outs.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Frankly on that, I think.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
The President made a big effort brought the CEOs trying
to open the China market. That's a perpetual work, it's
God's work in a certain sense, but that's going to
take a lot more elbow grease to really get that
cracked open for the firms that went on the trip.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Did you get folks a preview of what's in the
next Nation States with Yates?
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Well, somewhat on this conversation we're going to talk about
tech policy. We've hit on topics of what some of
the best expert's biggest mistakes have been trying to interpret
the world in Trump two point zero, and so if
they want to go to Nation States with Yates and
catch that episode, they might find that fun. But the
next up is talking about how strategic tech is in
(30:26):
America's future national security prospects, how that matters at the
White House but also at your house.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Can I throw a really tough question in your way,
Steve before we let you go for the weekend, since
you're going to be talking about that. Since you're going
to be talking about this on the podcast, you can
only have one. You can only choose one, the full canon,
all of them together, the Terminator Sci Fi Action series
or the Matrix Sci Fi Action series.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
It's not a tough call for me. I'm a Terminator
generation person, and so the Matrix stuff came later. People
can cast their lots, but I was sort of initiated with.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I'll be back Terminator one or Terminator two? Is the
better movie?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Terminator two.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I think that's a solid answer. I was going to
give them a hard time on this one. I was
going to make some joke. That's a solid answer. Guys,
go check out our friends Steve Yates, Nation States with
Yates Steve solve all the world's problems over the weekend,
and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Ol standy, Thank you, Buck, take a care.
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Speaker 1 (32:49):
Welcome back in here too, Clay and Buck.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
We're tike.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Talkback is going to take call. Let's dive into some
of this here. Do we still have guys, Christine and
san anti or did you hang up? Christina?
Speaker 10 (33:03):
Are you with us?
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Christine going once? Oh, she hung up. Well, she's probably
emotionally preparing herself for my New York Basketball Knicks to
finish off for San Antonio Spurs this Saturday. Oh, it burns,
It burns. That's the truth. New York Knicks gonna finish
(33:28):
it off. It's the way it's gonna be. We have
Brian and Raleigh wants to talk. What's up? Brian?
Speaker 7 (33:34):
What that well?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I haven't heard that one in a while. Not much, man,
what's going on?
Speaker 9 (33:40):
What's going on?
Speaker 8 (33:41):
I was going about the statement from that guy about
having a pleasant attitude in the workforce being valuable.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Have you ever heard of before you tell me what
you want to say, have you ever heard of this
guy before? Geshtad guy. It's like g D st A
A D. He's on TikTok, he's on Instagram, he's he
is a fantastic he's like really good about manners and
like he's cool, so the young people listen to him.
But he's a very like very good guy. Actually, it
(34:09):
seems he's very positive, good content. I agree with a
ton of what you know. He always says like for
sorry not we'll get to your thing in a second here.
But he says, it shouldn't be that you don't treat
like servers and service personnel, you know, it's that you
should avoid treating them poorly. It's that you should treat
them like like you would treat anyone. They're just people
(34:30):
doing a job, which I think is a very A
lot of people like, well I don't. I'm not abusive
to my libo driver. So that's what's a human being
probably has like a wife and kids. Like of course
you're so, I think he's very very good. What were
you going to say about being pleasant? Though?
Speaker 8 (34:41):
Absolutely absolutely. I'm an electric contractor out of Raleigh, North Carolina,
or company named business names my last name Pleasant Pleasants Electric.
So it's definitely a an attitude you have to carry
with you and expectation people have when you show up
and you're around when you carry that last name, So
(35:01):
it uh it's definitely helpful. And I tell my kids.
I got three kids, three young kids. I tell them
all the time. If you're if you're the best at
your job, but nobody likes you at the office, you're
much more likely to not keep your job compared to
somebody who's fun to be around and can get the
job done well enough. Everybody will help that guy out,
but not the guy that not the guy that nobody likes.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I'll tell you thank you know, you're, by the way,
completely true. I've always said this as well. You don't
get jobs from a resume. You don't get job offers
from a resume. You get it from a person. Someone
somewhere along the line has to decide that they're going
to give you a job. So interpersonal skills are super important.
And like I said, I even you know I went
when I was in the government CIA stuff. I was
(35:42):
pretty cool at NYPD. I would say I probably had
a pretty sour attitude some days there, just being honest
with you. Uh And and I was probably too grumpy
about the fact, well I won't get into all the
things going on there, but a little too slow, little
too bureaucratic for my liking, and It wasn't a really
good people like why do you stay for a year?
It was always of the year from the agency, and
then I was like, eh, point being you know, I
(36:03):
learned some lessons there though, and I had some growth
to do and to be so I wasn't mean to
anybody or anything. I was actually very well liked there,
just saying but I was grumpy about the work. I mean,
I was kind of negative about another day of doing this,
you know, nonsense or whatever. You got to find a
way to be positive. You can be You can be
(36:25):
the best at whatever it is you're doing on any
single day. It doesn't mean you have to do it
the next day or the next year. But positive attitude
is it's a superpower. It really is. And I'm talking
about in the work well in general, but certainly in
the workplace and learning to be a likable person to
be around. You know, AI is never going to be likable,
(36:47):
my friends. AI is never going to be able to
provide that you can
Second hour of play and Buck kicks off right now.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Play is I think today he's seeing the US World
Cup mat right, guys, Isn't that right? So I don't
think they're gonna pull him on the field. Play used
to play soccer, so did. He got two guys who
used to play soccer. But they still love America.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
But we are paradoxes playing in our own way. We're
also Americans who don't really like driving very much. Kind
of funny how we aligned on some of these things.
But yeah, he's with I think his boys and they're
going to go see the game. I'm with you here.
We have a lot to talk about today. I just
(00:41):
want to note something. The team pulled this for me
on the Iran deal. They noted this because somebody were like, Buck,
why do you keep saying, well, this is what I've
been saying. Well, we could go back this cut thirty two, Mike,
We could go back to May twenty eighth and say
(01:03):
this is what I said about where I thought this
was going. Play thirty two Axio supported. There's a deal?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Who the latest is with this?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
For some there is an a deal, a deal agreed to.
According to Barack revid at Axios. President Trump is waiting
to officially sign off on it. This is the report,
and I would imagine there will be further denials than
reports that it's done again. But the basic framework here
(01:34):
would be sixty days to figure out more. I will say, wow, Wow,
I just say, that's a terrible that's a terrible deal.
It's gonna be very clear that if there's a sixty
day to figure out the deal, which we don't know yet, Clay,
that's a trash deal.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Just saying it's just the truth. That just means that
that we don't have the leverage that we pretended to
have and we're not making them do what we said
we'd make them do. And I warned you guys about this.
We're all, pop Why are you so sour on this?
I don't know, man, because I've been in these craphole countries.
I know how this stuff goes. So that was a
couple of weeks ago. Now here we are as of
(02:10):
this morning, June twelfth, twenty twenty six, last twenty four hours,
so it's still highly fluid. You got contradictory phases of
de escalation claims amid ongoing low level conflict right, So
the Trump is saying, we got a deal. They blew
some stuff up, they're not being nice, but we have
a deal. So you had the down Apache helicopter and
(02:33):
then Iranian retaliation and now Trump was threatening further escalation,
then abruptly pulled back, then said there was a deal.
Now says that there's almost basically a deal. So yeah,
on June eleventh, he said, we're going to hit her
on very hard tonight. And also there was the talk
(02:56):
of seizing control of Iranian oil infrastructure, most notably carg Isle,
and that would be quite a military operation. They have
armed up carg Island. Remember, hitting something from the air
is quite different than actually landing our people on the
ground to not only take, but then hold and defend.
(03:18):
And this would be going on I think like twenty
kilometers or something from the Iranian mainland. So it's a
little island just off their coast, and this is critical
for their oil infrastructure. But if we take it, we
then have to hold it. It's not just like we
blow up a site and then it's done. So Trump
(03:40):
then said he posted on truth social that he's canceled
the scheduled strikes because the highest levels of Iranian leadership
had approved the deal, he says, a great settlement of
the war, and then it would possibly be signed over
the next few days or maybe this weekend in Europe,
potentially with Vice President Advance and then and then the
(04:02):
Iranians apparently said some stuff out in the media about
what was in the deal, and Trump now says that
that's all a lie. So they're lying about the deal.
We have agreement on the deal, but they're publicly lying
about the deal. But the deal's about to get done. Boy,
So this is where we are. Why does this matter
so much right now? Well, for one thing, by the way,
(04:25):
the foreign minister spokesman for Iran said that reports of
a deal are speculative and nothing has been finalized, and
Iran has not reached a conclusion. So that's the Iranian
foreign minister or foreign ministry speaking on this. And so
far their version of the deal that has been leaked
differs sharply from US claims. So no full transfer of
(04:48):
the straight of Hoar moves. This is what they're saying.
Includes Lebanon ceasefire part of an agreement, nuclear program not
fully covered that's going to go into separate sixty day
talks some immediate gradual release of frozen assets, compensation for
war damage, no missile program concessions, and Iran. That's this
(05:10):
is according to New York Times. By the way, Iron
is insisting on its version publicly. So I don't know.
I don't know. The Foreign Minister though said agreement has
never been closer. So, guys, I mean, at some level,
maybe part of this, to be totally fair to the
whole situation, maybe part of it is that there is
a it's such a mess in Iran. It is such
(05:33):
a leadership. I'm trying to think of a word I
could say on radio, screw up, because we removed a
lot of their leadership. That the confusion is a result
of that more than it is actually. Basically, the reports
on this are as much about the different factions saying
(05:58):
different things, all being act. It's not that anyone's misleading this,
or at least that the Trump is trying to be
too aggressive on the way he positions the deal. The
whole thing is, it's pretty crazy, pretty pretty crazy. This
is Trump yesterday, This has cut seven and this is
what he said about this. I want you to hear
it from the man himself. Play it they've.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Taken accounting like very few people could take, and they
want to make the deal a lot more than I do.
And you could have had it done the other way,
I guess, but it would have taken longer.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
They get hit very.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Hard recently, as you know, and I don't like to
have to do things that way, but I felt it
was necessary. It's a great deal for the United States
and for the Middle East.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And I think ultimately great for a run.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Because they'll be able to build up their country and
their country.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I really believe it's a regime change because.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
I find these people to be much more rational than
the people that are no longer with us.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
We knocked out the first team of leadership.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
The second team of leadership is a different group. There's
a different level, and I think it's frankly, a smarter level,
and it's a level that has reason.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
And they've all approved the deal. Everybody's approved the deal.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Does everyone's approved the deal. You would think that Iran,
if they had agreed to the terms, would be in
a hurry to sign it so that they could start
to get relief, because if their energy sector is under
the pressure that we have been told and that it's
all about to come to a screeching halt, and they're
going to reach uh uh tank tops and all this
(07:26):
other stuff tank tasts, meaning their tanks can't take any
more oil and they can't pump it out of the ground.
Why aren't they Why isn't there a sense of urgency
from them? I don't have an answer for you on
that other than this thing is let's just all say,
my friends, it is complicated, something less important than the
Iran deal. Well, it depends on who you ask. Actually,
(07:48):
it's something that many of you felt very passionate about.
And that was the male Karen discussion you guys live.
We had a full invue yesterday of talkbacks and emails
and everything else after the show. It was just this
is what you all wanted to weigh in on, and
so I have to give you voice here on the program.
(08:10):
I can't just start this feud I suppose about what
a male Karen is supposed to be. You didn't like
my care him instead of Karen. That didn't seem to
go over. Well, here is a montage of your weighing
(08:30):
in on what a male Karen should be called. Play
a at my job.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
We've come up with a term for a male Karen,
and that is a Kevin.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yes, a male Karen is Kevin.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
I guess I'm Kevin because I have on occasion address
someone who is doing something that's pissing me off in public.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
How dare you insult my son's name Kevin. He is
nowhere near a Karen. Don't insult the Kevin's of the world.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
This is Kevin from Manchester, Tennessee. I think it's critical
that we resolve this name of a male Karen. So
I propose that from now on we call a male Karen.
Pelly seems to be good, Pelly.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I like where you were going there at the end.
Kevin from Manchester, Tennessee. Kevin standing strong for the Kevins
of the world, and also for Donna from Silver Lake, Wisconsin. Donna,
I wasn't I'm not the one who came up with
the Kevin that was. Take that up with your fellow listeners,
with the rest of our audio family here. I didn't
say that. I said Karen or you know, care him, sorry,
(09:38):
care him, which no one liked. So that was a wompomp.
But a lot of you feel very strongly that it
is or is not a Kevin I would just note
that Tim from Arizona who says that he talks to
people who are doing rude things in public. I think
as long as you begin the exchange with a firm
(10:01):
but respectful tone, you're in you know that that's the
way it should be, because we all should understand that
if you're doing something that is inconsiderate and annoying to
the people around you, you're actually the one who is
causing a problem. And the only way this can be addressed,
and the only way that we can have civilization as
we all enjoy it right now, is if people have
(10:23):
some basic concern for those around them, uh, and some
willingness to be a team player, if you will, with
the society that they live in. And I think it's
very important. Actually, I think that people who undermine this
stuff and say, oh, you're just you know, no, well,
those are people who honestly are just selfish and don't
want to think about other people, which is not an
(10:45):
attractive thing, not not a that's not a good trait.
You shouldn't always put your interest in yourself first, and
in public you should. There should be some basic rules
of decorum that we all can be held to oh
we have we have another care montage. Good heavens, this
is b listen to this one.
Speaker 8 (11:04):
Fuck.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
A male Karen is a Darren.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
We call a Karen.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
That's a male here as a darn.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
We're overthinking the male Karen name. A male Karen is.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Still a Karen, and male Karen is called a Karen.
If a guy is running around getting called in people's
business and being a busy body and bringing drama, his
name is Karen.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
A male Karen is a simple as it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Well, there you have it. You have spoken on this one,
and but I can tell you there was even more
than that. But we're not gonna not gonna have the
whole show taken over on this one issue. But people
felt very uh, very passionate about this one. I'm trying
to think of, Like, who is who is the most
famous Kevin of all time? Is a Costner? Probably who
(12:00):
who's the most like if you think with the name Kevin,
we haven't had a Kevin as president? Right? Who the
most famou do you guys think it's Costner? Am? I am? I?
Speaker 8 (12:08):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
On that one? Well there was Spacey Costner. Uh who
are you can even google this? Who are the most
famous Kevin's of all time, and it will tell us, Oh,
Kevin Hart and Kevin Costner according to Google, So find
(12:30):
Kevin Kevin there you go. Yeah, there's not that many
super famous Kevins. So you guys, I understand you want
to make you want to keep that brand value high.
I get it. We'll take more calls, take more talkbacks,
and we'll get into this California discussion as well. I
think Steve Yates be joining us too. He can explain
what the heck is going on with this hey Iran thing.
And for those of you who don't care about Ron,
(12:51):
just remember this is all about getting the oil price
down and getting us away from this whole thing so
that we can bring the focus home and win this
midterm election, which doesn't matter to all of not just
the gas price, but making sure the Democrats aren't in
a position to stymy the Trump agenda to hobble it
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Looking for normal in a world of crazy, Clay and
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Speaker 1 (14:33):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Clay sends
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And the.
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The Internet these days, I gotta say there's a lot
of obviously a lot of stuff that's not I think
helpful for people to hear. That's putting it mildly. Okay.
Internet's a big place, a lot of stuff going on.
But among the younger generation, there are some influencers who
I think are really doing some worthwhile stuff. Actually, you know,
(15:03):
I don't really post on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I am a.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Viewer. I am in the audience seat, if you will,
So I like to sit on the other side of
this table. And I'm just somebody who follows content on
TikTok and and enjoy some of it. A lot of
shooting dog shooting comma like puppies and Dogs comma, and
(15:28):
cooking videos, but also just some people who do interesting
comedic stuff. This guy walk Sauce is hilarious. He's fantastic
for any of you who are of the mind of
following these things. But there's this guy, gestad Guy, and
it's named after a little town in Switzerland, a very
very high end, expensive town. Think of it like the
(15:51):
aspin of Switzerland, like Aspen, Colorado. It'scept much more exclusive
even and everything else. And he does a it's kind
of like a farcical character about the most elite guy,
most elite and elitist guy in the world. But he
actually gives young people while he's making jokes about this,
gives them really good advice. And he sat down on
(16:12):
a podcast recently and he said, what advice would you
give to young people entering the workforce or were starting
their careers. And I gotta tell you, I thought this
was really good, so I just wanted to share it
with you play it.
Speaker 10 (16:24):
I was very kindly invited to speak in Oxford last
week and the students asked.
Speaker 11 (16:28):
Me what I think the number one skill they should
work on is over the next few years, and I said,
number one above all is to actually just be pleasant.
I think people don't realize how valuable it is to
work with someone and be around someone.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
It's just generally pleasant and positive to be around.
Speaker 10 (16:44):
I think lots of hard skills can naturally be sped
up or even replaced to with AIVS days, but being
pleasant is something that is really so incredibly valuable. And
I've personally rather work with someone who's a seven out
of ten on skill but a ten out of ten
company wise, someone that I'm really excited to be around
them sit with, versus someone that's ten out of fen
on skill but quite unpleasant.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
To be around, or at least just it's not even
that pleasant.
Speaker 10 (17:08):
So honestly, I think a great life skill to work
on is just to generally be positive, to be likable,
and to be pleasant.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I gotta say, I think that's really in my forty
four years, I think that's excellent advice. As I get
older in life, I can tell you a lot of
things can be taught. Attitude, being pleasant, being a team player,
being someone that people want to be around in a
work environment. Whatever that means you will always have a
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job if people want to be around you in the workplace.
It's just the truth. It's just the truth. And a
huge part of that is to be positive. And I
think at certain times when I work in the government,
I honestly failed in that in so far as I
was very grumpy about how bureaucratic and dysfunctional government was.
In media, I try to be very pleasant, but hey,
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new podcast on the Clay Endbuck Network. Nation States with
Yates and our friend Steve Yates joins us right now,
(19:08):
host of Nation States with Theyates, also senior fell out
the Heritage Foundation. Mister Yates, congrats on the success of
the first episodes of the pod. Can you just kind
of wade into where we are currently with the Iran situation?
Give us the what you think is going on, and
then you can take it to the where is this going.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
The look? I wish it was an easy and good
news story.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
I mean, we've sort of had on repeat these cycles
of a deal is imminent and then not surprisingly gets
broken by the remnants of the regime. The administration is
building this weekend up as somewhat bigger than times passed,
supposedly closer to having what the President calls a framework agreement.
I have a number of concerns about this because I
(19:55):
don't think the deal is an end state in this
Those that have made it very hard and long to
get to a deal, or exactly those who will make
it very complicated to hold a deal, and I see
the Revolutionary Guard as the long tent in the poll
that stands in the way. Frankly, I wish the President
would pull the arrow out of his quiver to degrade
the IRGC just a bit more, and maybe you would
(20:17):
have a better shot at something that might hold. But
at net for now we seem to be in perpetual
pursuit of a deal that somehow would hold the piece
and open the straight up remose for it. Further, I
just don't see that our experience over the last couple
of months should give a lot of faith if that's
what's really going to happen in the near term.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
What do you think of this carg Island possible? Really?
I that's that's ground troops, just reverence career. That means
we're sending in maybe it's a marine Expeditionary Unit or
expeditionary Force. Maybe it's a mix of rangers and some
other special operations guys. But what do you think about
that plan?
Speaker 7 (20:57):
Well? I would have gone for that or this, And
I frankly am surprised that we're three months in and
it's being talked about now. I'm also surprised it's being
talked about. If it's being talked about, that seems to
indicate it's a headfake. If it's something that we really
aim to do, we probably should have just done it
and then held where we are going. And if it's
(21:19):
going to use ground troops to take an offshore island,
that is definitely risky, but it's far less risky than
sending ground troops into Iran proper. And so it is
also ground zero of their energy supply that funds the
Revolutionary Guard. So I would have thought that this would
have been on the option set earlier. In this I
(21:40):
think is an advisable thing in the grand scheme of things,
if you're going to use force to make them have
to accept a deal on our terms. But I think
at the moment we seem to have held that out
there and chosen to have this next round of a
deal on paper first.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
So this deal also has something going on that I
can't really make sense of, which is Trump says it's
basically dare I say a done deal? But then you
have the Iranians, through some spokesman intermediary telling the New
York Times and among others, a whole bunch of deal
points and then Trump says, that's all trash, those are
(22:21):
all lies. I mean, there's nothing that the Iranian theocracy
of thugs could do that would really surprise me. But
what do you think the play is there? You know,
having been involved in White House national security negotiations before,
do they think that gives them some kind of weird
leverage or what is that?
Speaker 7 (22:42):
Well, it is definitely unusual, and it's one of the
problems of where we sort of have this three headed
hydra that we're dealing with after we took out the
Iatola at the beginning of this operation, there's no proof
of life that his successor is even on this planet.
We seem to get indirect word that there's a dispensation
(23:03):
from him about whether to accept or not accept these deals.
And the people that we're negotiating with don't seem to
be the ones that are responsible for firing on ships
in the Strait, firing on our bases in the broader region,
and so there seems to be a disconnect about who's
involved in the conversations, and the negotiations are being pushed
by in some cases convened by the Qataris, and that
(23:27):
is just one of the regional allies that matter in
this mix, and so I support the President in giving
diplomacy a try. I also support sort of two tracks
if you negotiate, but you keep strength and option and
you basically negotiate by way of force in.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
A parallel track.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
But this on again, off again is a little mystifying
to me. I do believe that if we decisively open
the straits, degrade the IRGC's capability a bit more, and
push internet capability across broader Iran so we could see
where the people are on this, then I think we'd
have better confidence that something better is on the horizon
(24:06):
that's complicating for the bad guys and better for Team
Freedom and hopefully is going to change the facts on
the ground in the straight very soon.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Steve Yates with US Nation States with Yates is his
excellent podcast on the klan Buck Network. Get it wherever
you listen to your podcasts, make sure you subscribe and
you'll get every episode as it comes out. Steve, I
wanted to pivot a little bit to you know, the
SpaceX IPO today, which has given a lot of headline
writers fun with through the moon and off like a
(24:36):
rocket and you know, like the headlines pretty much write
themselves on this one for the newspapers. But I wanted
to know how you think, because the national security implications
of having the premier space company, which we do now
in the world are clearly profound. How does this affect
(24:58):
you think are tech race with China? How do you
think the Chinese are viewing SpaceX and Elon's success up
to this point, and how are we doing how are
we stacking up against them in the realm of that
next layer, if you will, of national security competition, which
is going to be outside of our atmosphere.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Well, Buck coman not to put too fine a point
on it. I think this is the most important strategic
event of our lifetimes.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I think it will.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
Fundamentally change the terms of trade in the geostrategic competition.
It is how we take the so called commanding heights.
It affects global energy supplies if we are operating from
the Moon and we have sustainable data centers, solar power
that is self cooling in space, critical minerals, and rare
(25:49):
earths that actually can come from some parts of the
Moon's surface. But basically, commanding those heights will command the
comms of our planet as well, and we could do
it scale and much more affordable pricing than what the
traditional methods have been.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
And it absolutely matters to have first move or advantage.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
And in this way, I mean Elon Musk might be
the American of the millennium in being able to take
us there because our government funded space programs cost too much,
take too long, are not resusable and sustainable. And he's
shown what can be done with wildly advanced engineering. So
(26:29):
to me, this is one of the most important developments
the commercial free enterprise sector has brought to American national security.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
You know, they have the SpaceX has the Starshield network,
which provides secure communications for US military. I'm sure Teldon's
community is involved in this too, so that we have
truly global secure comms. You know, we don't have to
worry about in the very early days of the Intel
agencies anyone being worried about someone reading their mail like
(26:59):
old scool mail because people had to communicate via post.
So things have gone to a whole other level now.
And SpaceX is working with US intelligence and defense agencies
to develop all kinds of top secret sensing, surveillance, missile
track and capabilities from space So stee your point by
the way that this is that significant. I think that
(27:21):
really hits home because I see this too as as
a moment that people who have been worried about how
we stack up against China. SpaceX is a huge, huge
arrow in our quiver of not just commercial but national
security advantages against our biggest rival. What's the latest do
you think? I mean, you know, Trump traveled to China.
(27:43):
We didn't really get into this that much with you.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yet.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Where does the US China relationship stand at this point
of Trump term two?
Speaker 7 (27:54):
Well, President Trump has been sort of defining a target
of strategic stability, and we may have talked before. I mean,
I think the grand scheme of things, he has seen
the competition between the US and China, the disruption the
China has brought to the world trading system as something
that he alone maybe has made a priority in trying
to use all the tools from terrorists to others to
(28:16):
try to stabilize and normalize it. If able to sort
of make trade more fair and balanced, so to speak,
with China than other areas of strategic competition with China
might have better safer options. At the same time, we've
definitely gone full speed ahead with improving the independent capabilities
of our allies, most especially the alliance with Japan, and
(28:39):
that I think has fundamentally changed a bit of the
balance of power in East Asia to Team Freedom's advantage.
And so out of the summit, a lot of issues
were raised. They're going to be raised again if the
leaders meet as planned in September when the United Nations
General Assembly meets. President has invited Chijinping to come to
the United States and have a continent conversation. But there's
(29:01):
a lot of do outs from the first and second
meetings between leaders. There's the fentanyl progress, which they've promised
in lie my assessment they have not in fact delivered.
There are some communications the President's had to try to
get them to work on Moscow to pull back from
the war machine against Ukraine. I can't measure real progress
on that front. I wonder whether reasonable people would expect
(29:24):
Serve Vladimir to be receptive to such messaging. And then
there's this notion that the Chinese are in favor of
freedom of navigation and would try to push Iran to
make a deal and the war so that they could
get the oil they've paid for. And no question that
they have that commercial interest, but I don't think they've
made that strategic phone call to day, so a lot
of due outs.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Frankly on that, I think.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
The President made a big effort brought the CEOs trying
to open the China market. That's a perpetual work, it's
God's work in a certain sense, but that's going to
take a lot more elbow grease to really get that
cracked open for the firms that went on the trip.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Did you get folks a preview of what's in the
next Nation States with Yates?
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Well, somewhat on this conversation we're going to talk about
tech policy. We've hit on topics of what some of
the best expert's biggest mistakes have been trying to interpret
the world in Trump two point zero, and so if
they want to go to Nation States with Yates and
catch that episode, they might find that fun. But the
next up is talking about how strategic tech is in
(30:26):
America's future national security prospects, how that matters at the
White House but also at your house.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Can I throw a really tough question in your way,
Steve before we let you go for the weekend, since
you're going to be talking about that. Since you're going
to be talking about this on the podcast, you can
only have one. You can only choose one, the full canon,
all of them together, the Terminator Sci Fi Action series
or the Matrix Sci Fi Action series.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
It's not a tough call for me. I'm a Terminator
generation person, and so the Matrix stuff came later. People
can cast their lots, but I was sort of initiated with.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I'll be back Terminator one or Terminator two? Is the
better movie?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Terminator two.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I think that's a solid answer. I was going to
give them a hard time on this one. I was
going to make some joke. That's a solid answer. Guys,
go check out our friends Steve Yates, Nation States with
Yates Steve solve all the world's problems over the weekend,
and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Ol standy, Thank you, Buck, take a care.
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Speaker 1 (32:53):
Talkback is going to take call. Let's dive into some
of this here. Do we still have guys, Christine and
san anti or did you hang up? Christina?
Speaker 10 (33:03):
Are you with us?
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Christine going once? Oh, she hung up. Well, she's probably
emotionally preparing herself for my New York Basketball Knicks to
finish off for San Antonio Spurs this Saturday. Oh, it burns,
It burns. That's the truth. New York Knicks gonna finish
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it off. It's the way it's gonna be. We have
Brian and Raleigh wants to talk. What's up? Brian?
Speaker 7 (33:34):
What that well?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I haven't heard that one in a while. Not much, man,
what's going on?
Speaker 9 (33:40):
What's going on?
Speaker 8 (33:41):
I was going about the statement from that guy about
having a pleasant attitude in the workforce being valuable.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Have you ever heard of before you tell me what
you want to say, have you ever heard of this
guy before? Geshtad guy. It's like g D st A
A D. He's on TikTok, he's on Instagram, he's he
is a fantastic he's like really good about manners and
like he's cool, so the young people listen to him.
But he's a very like very good guy. Actually, it
(34:09):
seems he's very positive, good content. I agree with a
ton of what you know. He always says like for
sorry not we'll get to your thing in a second here.
But he says, it shouldn't be that you don't treat
like servers and service personnel, you know, it's that you
should avoid treating them poorly. It's that you should treat
them like like you would treat anyone. They're just people
(34:30):
doing a job, which I think is a very A
lot of people like, well I don't. I'm not abusive
to my libo driver. So that's what's a human being
probably has like a wife and kids. Like of course
you're so, I think he's very very good. What were
you going to say about being pleasant? Though?
Speaker 8 (34:41):
Absolutely absolutely. I'm an electric contractor out of Raleigh, North Carolina,
or company named business names my last name Pleasant Pleasants Electric.
So it's definitely a an attitude you have to carry
with you and expectation people have when you show up
and you're around when you carry that last name, So
(35:01):
it uh it's definitely helpful. And I tell my kids.
I got three kids, three young kids. I tell them
all the time. If you're if you're the best at
your job, but nobody likes you at the office, you're
much more likely to not keep your job compared to
somebody who's fun to be around and can get the
job done well enough. Everybody will help that guy out,
but not the guy that not the guy that nobody likes.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I'll tell you thank you know, you're, by the way,
completely true. I've always said this as well. You don't
get jobs from a resume. You don't get job offers
from a resume. You get it from a person. Someone
somewhere along the line has to decide that they're going
to give you a job. So interpersonal skills are super important.
And like I said, I even you know I went
when I was in the government CIA stuff. I was
(35:42):
pretty cool at NYPD. I would say I probably had
a pretty sour attitude some days there, just being honest
with you. Uh And and I was probably too grumpy
about the fact, well I won't get into all the
things going on there, but a little too slow, little
too bureaucratic for my liking, and It wasn't a really
good people like why do you stay for a year?
It was always of the year from the agency, and
then I was like, eh, point being you know, I
(36:03):
learned some lessons there though, and I had some growth
to do and to be so I wasn't mean to
anybody or anything. I was actually very well liked there,
just saying but I was grumpy about the work. I mean,
I was kind of negative about another day of doing this,
you know, nonsense or whatever. You got to find a
way to be positive. You can be You can be
(36:25):
the best at whatever it is you're doing on any
single day. It doesn't mean you have to do it
the next day or the next year. But positive attitude
is it's a superpower. It really is. And I'm talking
about in the work well in general, but certainly in
the workplace and learning to be a likable person to
be around. You know, AI is never going to be likable,
(36:47):
my friends. AI is never going to be able to
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