September 4, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show continued the program's intensive coverage of the Lindsay Clancy murder trial, focusing on the aftermath of the apparent jury deadlock, the possibility of a mistrial, and a growing legal fight over a lone holdout juror. Clay and Buck opened the hour by taking listener calls, reactions, and legal analysis as they discussed reports that a single juror was preventing a verdict that would have found Clancy not guilty by reason of insanity. The hosts examined the significance of one juror standing against the majority, debated the integrity of the jury system, and highlighted concerns about public pressure, juror intimidation, and the broader implications of allowing courts to remove jurors based on their deliberative views.
Throughout Hour 2, listeners from across the country weighed in on the case, with many arguing that the evidence demonstrated premeditation and personal responsibility. Clay and Buck repeatedly returned to the facts surrounding the deaths of Clancy's three children, discussing whether the insanity defense should apply and questioning why one parent who kills children might be treated differently than other violent offenders. The hosts praised the reported holdout juror for resisting pressure from fellow jurors and argued that standing alone in defense of a principle can be difficult in emotionally charged cases.
A major segment of the hour focused on the broader cultural debate surrounding postpartum depression, postpartum psychosis, mental illness defenses, and criminal accountability. Clay argued that excusing the murders on the basis of hormones or emotional instability creates a troubling double standard between men and women under the law. Both hosts debated whether society applies different standards of responsibility to mothers and fathers and discussed listener feedback concerning how mental health factors should be considered in criminal cases involving parents.
The hosts also explored questions about premeditation and intent, discussing reports that Clancy had researched methods and allegedly planned aspects of the crime before the killings. Callers raised concerns about Clancy's professional background, the role of mental-health treatment she had received, and whether warning signs should have been identified earlier. Clay and Buck evaluated these arguments while continuing to maintain that legal responsibility for the deaths remained the central issue of the case.
Another significant topic during Hour 2 was the reaction to the case among women, parents, and the general public. The hosts discussed arguments they had received from listeners and family members regarding postpartum mental health, motherhood, and criminal responsibility. They examined why the case has generated such intense public interest and debated whether sympathy for Clancy was influencing perceptions of justice. The conversation frequently broadened into larger discussions about family, parenting, crime, accountability, and cultural attitudes toward violence involving children.
The hour also featured a live interview with Congressman Jim Jordan, who joined the show to discuss both the Clancy case and the political landscape heading into the 2026 midterm elections. Jordan commented on congressional battleground districts, Republican campaign strategy, economic messaging, affordability concerns, border security, tax policy, school choice, and Democratic socialism. He argued that Republicans should focus on communicating policy achievements while contrasting their agenda with what he described as increasingly left-wing positions within the Democratic Party. Clay and Buck questioned him about competitive House races, voter sentiment, and the issues likely to shape the remainder of the campaign season.
During the interview, breaking news emerged that the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court had agreed to hear arguments from Clancy's defense team regarding the disputed juror. Clay and Buck reacted in real time, discussing the extraordinary nature of the appeal and debating whether higher-court intervention could alter the trajectory of the case. The hosts argued that removing a juror because of disagreement over the verdict could fundamentally undermine the jury system and continued to provide updates as developments unfolded.
The final portion of Hour 2 returned to listener calls and legal questions about potential future proceedings, including retrials, appeals, federal involvement, double jeopardy concerns, and the role of mental illness in criminal prosecutions. The hosts concluded by debating a caller whose family had experienced postpartum depression firsthand, leading to a broader discussion about compassion, treatment, personal responsibility, and the legal standards that should apply when parents harm children.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now.
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
So great stuff going there.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Clay, we said the voice of our people is what
we're going to do now, and we are imminently going
to be taking calls, talkbacks, the Lindsay Clancy trial in
mistrial status right now, and.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's a shock to a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
We expected it, but it's still shocking that it has happened,
and we want to hear from you, and especially if
you have some legal experience in a courtroom that you
think can be brought to bear here. Clay, I would
just note, the very astute observer of, well, a lot
of things online, Mike Cernovich. He shared this on X,
(01:07):
and it's something I just wanted to put into this conversation.
Quoting Cernovich here, he wrote, we knew it would be
a hung jury. What's crazy is we thought it would
be a majority to convict with a couple of dedicated holdouts. Instead,
it was only one man who stood up for the
three dead children. That's absolutely true. I, I thought that
(01:30):
you thought it was going to go this way. No,
I think it's, it's a dark, it's very dark.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's a dark day.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I thought at least the three men, I agreed. I
thought three men would say no. And I thought the
women would roughly split. That's what I, I would, I
would say that too. That's right where I was. I
thought it was going to be a, And just absolutely deadlocked,
as a jury can be. All right, let's get to
this now. We have a lot of calls, a lot
of talkbacks. Antoinette, North Carolina. What's going on, Antoinette?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Hi, guys.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
This is disturbing on so many levels. It reminds me
of the movie 12 Angry Men. But I think that
jury needs to remember that she not only killed one child,
she killed three. So while she's basically strangling one and
watching the fear in that child's face... She's going to
the second one and then going to a third one.
(02:22):
And the fact she sent her husband out to me
is premeditated. And it is evil, just so evil and sad.
It's not just shocking. It's sad that our society has
come to that point. I wonder if these jurors are
intimidated at all by maybe the harassment they might be
getting if they're found out, you know, that they said in.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Oh, Antoinette, I think that's very real. You know, there's
a woman.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
who is now facing criminal, some like lunatic middle-aged woman,
clearly a lib, probably a big Kamala voter, who was
intimidating the jury and is facing charges for it now.
So you have people that have already shown that they
are unhinged, and yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
No, you're right.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I mean, I was just going to build on what
you're saying.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, yeah. So, Antoinette, I think that's a very good point.
I think that you have to remember, it's Massachusetts, okay?
In Massachusetts... A lot of these people are going to
go back to communities that are very left-wing.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Massachusetts is the second most liberal state, maybe? I mean,
it's in the top three for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Vermont, maybe one, and Massachusetts, too, would be my guess.
Extremely blue state.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I mean, I went to college in Massachusetts for four years,
so I'm pretty familiar with the place, and it's extremely blue.
So you're going to go back into communities where, I
can just tell you right now, for some of those guys...
they were thinking not the one who was brave. And
by the way, that guy's a hero, and I hope
it comes out who it is, although he's going to
face death threats. He's going to face horrible stuff. But
(03:51):
whoever it is, refuse to bend the knee to the madness,
and it's really admirable.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Clay?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, I just want to address this directly to women
because I'm still getting emails from women. This is my
wife's argument. I didn't really think through it until she
made it. She's continuing to hammer it. Lindsay Clancy being
found not guilty is not pro-woman. It's the worst thing
that could happen to women because if your argument is
(04:17):
Lindsay Clancy is so emotional and so hormonal that she
can't avoid killing her own children under stress, how can
women argue that they should be CEOs or presidents or
in any position of extreme power if we're so hormonal
we can't even avoid killing our own children? and again
(04:39):
i think that's really important for the women out there
and just to echo it further men aren't allowed to
defend ourselves by saying our stress level got too high
our hormones were out of whack our testosterone levels were
too high or too low imagine if a man walked
into a courtroom accused of rape and said, hey, yes,
(05:03):
I did it, but my hormone levels were too high
on testosterone. That's what drove me to do it, and
therefore I was driven insane, and I can't be held
responsible for raping you because my male hormones made me
incapable of telling right from wrong. All of you would
justifiably say, that's insane. That's what Lindsay Clancy is saying.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
You could even say like a road rage incident. As
you know, there are these horrible road rage incidents sometimes
where someone will cut someone else off and they just
snap and they pull out a gun and they shoot
the person at a red light or they follow them
and they attack them in a parking lot. That's a
momentary snap, a psychological snap for those people. Some of
them have never committed a violent crime before they are
(05:48):
a hundred percent responsible for what they have done they
are a hundred percent guilty for the crime they have
committed it's not oh i just got so in the
moment that i now am no longer responsible people generally
when they're doing a heinous violent crime are not in
a great frame of mind that's usually not what's going
on so uh i i am i am I'm appalled.
(06:10):
The whole thing here is crazy with what the outcome is.
Let's get to Justin in Ohio. What's going on, Justin?
Speaker 6 (06:18):
How's it going, guys?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
We're good. I mean, under the circumstances, we're good. Thanks
for calling in. What are you thinking?
Speaker 7 (06:24):
Well, me personally, I think the prosecution needs to pivot
a little bit and needs to bring up charges on
the defense attorney for bringing, you know, letting everybody know
in the nation and around the world that it was
a male juror And because that guy just made all
three of those jurors, whether they were on the right side,
(06:48):
wrong side.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
He just made all three of those guys in a.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
Very dangerous spot, you know, walking out of that courthouse
with every nut that's on her side wanting to kill them.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, look, I think there's truth to that. Thank you
for the call.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I hope that this juror just comes public and says, look,
she killed her kids. I'm not willing to let her walk.
She could be out of the insane asylum in 40 days.
Because I do think there's a lot of people, myself included,
you included, Buck, who would see him as a hero.
And I think this is important. I think this is
(07:25):
very important. It's hard to stand for right things. when
other people around you are berating you. And this guy,
think about what he's been through for the last six days.
All of these women have been hectoring, yelling at him,
probably screaming at him sometimes. The other two men, it
seems like, have folded. Do you know how hard it
(07:48):
is to be the one person who is willing to say,
this isn't right? It's so hard to do. It's easy
to go with the herd. This guy is saying, no,
I'm not going to be convinced that what I know
to be true is actually false. And that's so rare.
(08:09):
Lots of people say they would do it. But when
you're actually in the line of fire, most people are
willing to fold.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
You worry more.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
About being liked and being in the in crowd than
you do about what's doing what's being right. There's the
meme that sometimes you'll see of the guy with all
the swords pointed at him or the guy who's standing
up saying, no, all of you guys are wrong. This
person is doing it. And so I applaud him and
(08:39):
I hope that his bravery can stand as a testament
for others going forward who might find themselves. not necessarily
on a jury trial, but metaphorically in a situation where
you're being told to do something that you know is
not the right choice, but the societal pressure and the
(08:59):
peer pressure is so overwhelming. All of us have been
in situations like that. This guy is actually rare to
be willing to say, actually, no, you're all wrong, and
I'm not changing my mind.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Roger in Syracuse, New York. Roger, you're on.
Speaker 8 (09:16):
It's my understanding that this woman had been working as
a registered nurse in labor and delivery. And for no
one at her workplace to raise a red flag on
how she was completing her assignments is number one. So
she is in clear mind to.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Take care of other infants in the workplace. Yet she
looks up and says, And excuses her husband. If this
is not premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt, I don't know
what is. And I'm surprised nobody's looking for the death
penalty in this woman. Not one, not two, but three times.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I don't think Massachusetts. Thank you for the call. I
don't think Massachusetts has the death penalty. I agree with
Roger on, you know, intellectually.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
But, yeah, I think that's right. I don't think that
they could have got her on state charges for the
death penalty.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
In Massachusetts.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It is different state to state. But, yes, there was
a premeditation element of this in that she did research.
She knew she was going to do this and she
did research. And others have pointed out she was very
effective at murdering her own defenseless children, but very ineffective
at killing herself. I don't think that's just a sidebar.
I don't think that's something because for all the parents
(10:23):
out there, I know you feel this way. Parents will
kill themselves a hundred times before they would harm their
child in any kind of way like this.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And that's part of this.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I think that also hasn't gotten nearly the discussion attention deserves.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
This woman is so depressed. She's having such a terrible time.
She's going to kill her kids before she tries to
kill herself.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Why?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And I know you're going to say, oh, but because
she's still not in her right mind, what if she's
just evil? It strikes me as it's an evil choice.
It's not just an emotionally unstable choice. If she killed herself,
there would be nothing here other than a funeral to
go to. Instead, she killed three children, her own children. And,
you know, Clay, I saw there was a story recently
(11:05):
about a sorority girl who killed her own baby when
it came out. And this just happened. She was just sentenced,
I think, recently. She was a very attractive young woman,
probably 18, 19 years old or something. And she strangled
her own baby after it came out. She was sentenced
to prison, by the way, as she should have been.
But the baby was born. You're not going to give
(11:27):
it up for adoption? I know so many families. They
would adopt the baby in a heartbeat, give it a life.
There's something our society has elevated the demonic among us.
A set of women when it comes to their children
and babies. This is what I'm sorry, but this raises
that issue in a way that I think is unavoidable.
There's something I do think it ties into abortion. I
(11:50):
do think it ties into a place like Massachusetts just
recently saying you can have an abortion all nine months
of a pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
All nine months. A baby at nine months in the
womb is a baby.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I mean, and at eight months at conception. I'm just
using shorthand here. No human being with two brain cells
to rub together thinks that a baby at eight months
isn't a baby. But Massachusetts says you can kill it.
So there's a backdrop here for all of this. There's
a backdrop here. And I think that that's something else
to take into account. Andrew in Massachusetts. I didn't even
(12:24):
see this. Andrew, you want to talk about what I
just talked about?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Go ahead. Oh, I'm sorry. It's an email. Here we go.
Andrew says the.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
State just passed an abortion law where it's legal to
the moment of birth. It's not surprising that these women
are siding with Lindsay Clancy.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Nobody would be doing, Clay, can we agree on this?
Nobody would be doing this whole Lindsay Clancy's, it's not
her fault. She's the victim. If she had strangled and murdered,
let's say like her, or let's say she had poisoned
her her two adult children and her husband or something.
Nobody would be saying, oh, so hard for her. She
took too much Zoloft.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I just think it's an easy question, too. What would
you want to happen to Lindsay Clancy if she murdered
your three kids? If your three kids were in a
park and you let them go play and this woman
showed up with an exercise band and strangled your three
kids to death in a park, Would you say, oh,
(13:24):
that's just her. That's just her hormones. She can't control herself.
Would you want her to suffer no harm whatsoever for
killing your kids? Would you want nothing to happen to her?
And if your answer is that you'd be fine with
that and you'd be fine with her going to an
insane hospital, at least your logic is consistent. What I
(13:47):
think is happening is people are okay with her killing
her own kids.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But they wouldn't be okay with her killing their kids.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
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Speaker 3 (16:11):
Welcome back in, Clay and Buck. We got a bunch
of calls still and talkbacks.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Let's see. Lindsay in Oklahoma City. Fire away, Lindsay. Linda, sorry.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
To remind you of the case of Chris Watts in Colorado,
he killed his two children because he was in love
with another woman.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
And he's now serving hard time in prison.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I mean, I think it's a good question, Linda. Thank
you for calling in. Can you think, Buck, can you think,
can any of you think of a man who killed
his own kids and was found not guilty of the
murder of his kids?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I would argue I don't think in recent history, certainly
in the judicial system we have.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
No, it would not would not happen. Men are held
to account for murdering their own children. Most women, I
would think, are in this case, the system has failed.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And again, it's one thing for one woman to make
a poor choice in her life, the worst possible choice.
To me, the number of women lining up to say
she can't be held responsible.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Who think they are pro-women.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
And that they are somehow advancing a positive story for women,
you're really going back to the 1700s and 1800s and
basically saying women can't be given responsibility. Just grab your
pearls and fall on your fainting couch and let men
take care of everything. That's what you're arguing when you
say a pregnant woman who murdered her own children can't
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were out of whack. It's actually the definition of being anti-woman,
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calls and talking about this Lindsay Clancy trial. It's very
upsetting to a lot of people. It's a mistrial, so
she was not found guilty. I do think, Clay, they
will try her again.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
To be fair, the mistrial is not yet effective. They're
going to have a trial hearing again at 2. The
Massachusetts Supreme Court could still step in, and we could
have another crazy wrinkle here that could allow 11 jurors
to let her walk. So the mistrial is not effectively
effective yet, even yet.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
But I would say, realistically, you got like a 5%
shot that the court If we get to a place
where the mob of maniacs, they're on the 11 side here,
not the one juror, they can just be so adamant
in their lunacy that the appeals court of the state
(19:56):
of Massachusetts is going to remove a juror because he's
not giving the quote right verdict based on quote the
law and Now you're just saying that like this is
I mean, this is almost makes a parody of the
entire system. Like, what's the point of having a jury
in the first place? We got Jim Jordan. I want
to bring him up.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
But Bill Malugin just posted the appeal that has been
filed to the Supreme Court. I want to read a
couple of sentences here for you, Buck. And I want
Jim Jordan, you can hear this as well. It says
a juror is refusing to follow the law. And here
the removal is particularly important because the juror's reasoning reflects
(20:38):
a bias against those who suffer from debilitating mental illness,
a protected category. OK, Buck, what are the chances that.
that he is simply saying as part of these deliberations,
you're all retarded. Apologies for anybody who's offended. They are
saying that according to this filing, the removal is necessary
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because the juror's reasoning reflects a bias against those who
suffer from debilitating mental illness maybe it's not that they're likely.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
Congressman yeah congressman jordan let's pass it to you thank
you for giving us your time obviously the big news
today what what do you think about all this you
take it away well no i.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Think you i think you just said it that buck
that's the point and if that's what this guy uh
what the judge is saying about this particular juror or
what they're saying about this particular juror that just makes
absolutely no sense And I think the judge is probably
accurate in saying this guy's got to, you know, he's
(21:45):
got to go. Yeah, it's sad when you see this
greatest country in the world and the system we've set up,
our constitutional system, the three separate equal branches of government
and all the attacks on all those and how it's
now down to the basic level where it's supposed to
be a trial by the jury of your peers, where
(22:07):
that doesn't seem to be working well. exactly the way
it should be either so um yeah we'll see well
i mean we'll just see what happens here i guess
there's there's still some deliberation to take place i haven't
followed it as closely as you guys have here in
the last few hours.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Can i just ask you congressman and this is you
know we take i know you're we usually you're here
and you got your congressman hat on not your congressman
jacket because you tend not to wear a blazer as
we all know although the one we have of you
has I don't even know who this guy is with
a blazer on and the photo that they put up
on the screen on our YouTube. But anyway, have you
(22:45):
just in your day-to-day experience, whether in D.C. or at
home in Ohio, come across people, particularly women, who think
like the husband did it or that they're very– and
have you been surprised by this or have you just
been away from this entirely and haven't really had much
personal experience of it?
Speaker 6 (23:05):
No, it's been the latter. I haven't I have not
talked to anyone particularly about this and been following it
in the news somewhat. And then just got on here
in the last couple of minutes and listen to you
guys recapping. I'm thinking, oh, I didn't know that. That
sounds kind of crazy to me. So, no, I've not
been following that closely.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
All right.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Let's go ahead, Clay. Yeah, no, I was going to say,
let's go in. You're on the road right now. There
are only and I'm curious if you would sign on
to this because, you know, the the story on the
ground better than than certainly we do there have been
reports that there are about 20 toss-up house seats that
is real battlegrounds you're traveling the nation um working on
(23:45):
these battlegrounds do you think that's right um are there
about 20 and how do you see what's the ground
look like from your perspective.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
No, it's maybe a few more, but there aren't as
many as in the past because of the redistricting and
the gerrymandering that the Democrats have done and the redistricting
we've done here in this past cycle. So, yeah, it's
a smaller number of seats. But I think we can
pick up a lot. Last night I flew back into
Ohio and did an event for Derek Marin, who's running
against Marcy Kaptur. That's one of the pickup opportunities we
have where we could– that district was redrawn. It's now
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more favorable to Republicans. So I think we've got a chance.
But our message over these last 60 days, in my judgment,
has got to be plain and simple. If you allow
Democrats to win, here's where they're going to go, all
the crazy policy. And we have to just lay that out. Remember,
nine months and four days ago, Mom Donnie was sworn
in as mayor of our largest city. And he said
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in his speech, I was elected as a Democrat socialist.
I will govern as a Democrat socialist. We have to
replace the virginity of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism.
He believes it. He told us he's going to do it.
He's implementing that. And frankly, the party, the once great
party of FDR and JFK is now run by these
Democrat socialists. And they they're bent on doing what they
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told us they were going to do. And it is scary.
So I think we have to tell our our voters
to persuade Republicans and like minded independents come out. We
have to tell them how real this is and that
they are their intent on doing what they said, which
is very, very scary in my judgment.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Breaking news, Buck.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
CNN is reporting that the Massachusetts Supreme Court has granted
a hearing for Lindsey Clancy's defense.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yeah, that is coming down right now. Sorry, Congressman. I
know we'll continue, but I just want to give people
the absolute latest there. Again, CNN breaking news banner right now.
Massachusetts Supreme Court grants a hearing. for the Clancy defense
to try to get the one juror kicked off who
is preventing a not guilty verdict.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I would like to think, sorry, Congressman, just a quick
reflection on this one. I would like to think that
this is just to show that they are being given
a hearing and process. If they actually remove this juror,
the whole thing is a farce. And this is just
the frenzied mob with pitchforks and torches getting their way,
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which in this case, it's kind of the reverse of
a lynching situation. They want the guilty person to go free.
They're not trying to take an innocent person and make
them guilty. They want a guilty person to walk.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
I am.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
It's disgusting, Clay, honestly. So that is the latest. Okay,
back to we're talking to Congressman Jim Jordan. Thank you,
by the way, for your super great quotes from the
Wall Street Journal profile that is out online but is
coming out now on Saturday, Sunday. I was saying on
the air, Congressman, it only took 22 years of me
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being in media for someone to write something nice about me.
So thank you for the quotes. That article came out
pretty well.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
No, it was a great article and well-deserved for you guys.
But they only took like one. I had a whole
bunch of great things I said about y'all because I
really think you guys do a tremendous job. And I
tried to put some funny things in there, but maybe
they didn't think it was funny. I was talking about
buck serve of 189 miles an hour. I was talking
about sports and everything else, but they just went with
one kind of basic generic one in the online piece. But, no,
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it was a great piece and well-deserved for you guys
and the good work that you do.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
We appreciate it. Now, back to politics, if I can. No, really,
it was very nice. Very nice. Some people are saying
Jim Jordan, very nice. But talk to me about how
you think the GOP messaging is going on. It's a
word that we've said so many times that I think
people are sick of hearing it. But all of what
we can see in the polls says that this is
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what the election will turn on. This is what the
midterm will turn on. It's affordability. How do you think
the GOP is doing on this right now? Do you
think that– there need to be some tweaks made or
is it just stay on message, stay on task, and
we should be able to defend the House and Senate majorities?
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Well, I always say, you know, we make the job
too complicated. It's pretty basic. What we tell the voters
we're going to do, and then, you know, if they
elect you, go do what you said. We've done that.
We told them we'd cut taxes.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
We did.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
We told them we'd secure the border. We did. We
told them we'd be for school choice. That was in
the big, beautiful bill. Also, this welfare reform that we
put in, it's actually making a difference in people's lives
and all. So, I think that's message one. Message two
is we understand things cost too much. We get that.
But it's not all bad out there. You saw the
jobs report, the jobs numbers today were way above what
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most people thought they would be. So our economy is
pretty good. But again, things cost too much. So we
have to, I think, recognize that. But I do think
what I said earlier is the key message, particularly now
that we're down to less than nine weeks until Election Day.
It's they want to ruin what this country has always
given its people. This simple idea, you've got a goal,
you've got a dream, you work hard, good things happen.
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They will ruin that with their crazy left-wing policies. Mamdani
talked about the warmth of collectivism. I was giving a
speech out at the Republican Jewish Coalition in Vegas on Sunday,
and I said, I've seen the warmth of collectivism. I
wrestled in the Soviet Union in 1987. I mean, I
tell people I was in Moscow in February. Moscow in February,
it's like 200 below zero. There is no food in
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the stores. It's just a terrible, gray, dismal place. That's
where this left-wing craziness will take us, and we have
to let voters know that and how we're for the
principles and the policies that we think make America special.
So I do think that's a central theme, and we
have to pound that over these next weeks. eight and
(29:40):
a half weeks.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Congressman Jim Jordan, appreciate you being with us, sir. Thanks
for making the time, as always, and have a great
Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
All right. Take care.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
You guys, too. That is always good to hear from
Jim Jordan. The court is in recess until 2 p.m.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Eastern.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
So that is what, 15 minutes from now. And again,
CNN is reporting that there is a hearing underway right
now with the Massachusetts Supreme Court. They've changed their headlines somewhat.
I can't hear it, Buck. So the team in New York,
they can turn up the sound.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
If this Massachusetts appeals court weighs in and says that
they're removing that juror and then they're pushing for a verdict,
the whole thing is rigged and it's a joke and
it's preposterous. It's a deeply unfunny joke, but it's a farce.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
So that's where we are. We'll see.
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We got a bunch of calls. Let's see here. We're
waiting for an update. Craig in Florida. I'll go to first.
He's been waiting the longest.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
Hey, guys. Liz, my question is, what about the civil
rights of the kids? If this thing goes.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Sideways like it looks like it is, can the feds
bring a lawsuit that way?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, this would get into a challenging situation. We just
talked about this some with the Luigi Mangione case, where
there is a double jeopardy component to this. In other words,
if Lindsey Clancy were found not guilty... under state charges,
there is an argument that it would be hard to
charge her for something similar under federal-related charges. And, again,
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this is a state violation because there was no crossing
state lines that are involved. So I think that would
be challenging. It's a smart question.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Maybe you could do, if you wanted to get creative, Clay,
you could say the Internet searches for, like, how, as
part of the conspiracy, essentially conspiracy to commit murder. And
I'm saying there are ways that if you really wanted to,
you could try to make this a federal case, but
you would face a lot of challenges. Because what they
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usually what people know happens, Clay, is there's sometimes a
cop will get off on the state charges for excessive force.
And then if it's a Democrat federal administration, a Democrat
White House, guess what they'll do? Deprivation of rights. You know,
so they'll hit you with a different charge of the
same thing.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Anyway, I think the challenge becomes that it is a
real difficulty in order to get any of this additionally
charged if she's not guilty. John in San Diego, what
you got for us?
Speaker 10 (35:02):
Clay and Buck, I really enjoy your show and your
opinions are always well-reasoned. However, I think in this case,
if you had the practical experience that I've had with
a daughter who went through postpartum depression, you would have
a different opinion of this situation. Would you like me
to explain?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Well, let me ask you this, John. I mean, certainly
we'll take your explanation. Do you have sons?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
It's a daughter.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, but do you have a son?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
And if he said he was super depressed and he
killed his three kids, would you say the dad shouldn't
be held responsible?
Speaker 10 (35:40):
Here's the problem is that women are different than men,
and it's hard for us to understand this. I watched
a girl who I raised 35 years, and she changed.
It was like somebody.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
You didn't even recognize.
Speaker 10 (35:57):
She became dangerous.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
And we had to have her hospitalized.
Speaker 10 (36:01):
I think it's a shame that nobody got this girl
into therapy when she needed it.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
She was in extensive therapy, just to be clear. She
was seeing doctors and had medicine and had her husband
helping her. And, you know, they just aren't allowed to
involuntarily commit people easily in places like Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Thank you for the call. We're glad that your daughter's okay.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
My position in general would be, and the reason why
I asked if he had a son, if your son,
I've got sons, right? If one of my sons, God forbid,
did something like this, I can't imagine anything that would
make me say, hey, he shouldn't be held responsible for
this because of his mental makeup. If you are saying
women should be treated differently than men when they kill
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their kids, I just fundamentally disagree with you. I think
the standard is pretty simple for moms and dads. Don't
kill your kids. If you do, you should end up
in prison at minimum the rest of your life.
All right, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now.
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
So great stuff going there.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Clay, we said the voice of our people is what
we're going to do now, and we are imminently going
to be taking calls, talkbacks, the Lindsay Clancy trial in
mistrial status right now, and.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's a shock to a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
We expected it, but it's still shocking that it has happened,
and we want to hear from you, and especially if
you have some legal experience in a courtroom that you
think can be brought to bear here. Clay, I would
just note, the very astute observer of, well, a lot
of things online, Mike Cernovich. He shared this on X,
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and it's something I just wanted to put into this conversation.
Quoting Cernovich here, he wrote, we knew it would be
a hung jury. What's crazy is we thought it would
be a majority to convict with a couple of dedicated holdouts. Instead,
it was only one man who stood up for the
three dead children. That's absolutely true. I, I thought that
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you thought it was going to go this way. No,
I think it's, it's a dark, it's very dark.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's a dark day.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I thought at least the three men, I agreed. I
thought three men would say no. And I thought the
women would roughly split. That's what I, I would, I
would say that too. That's right where I was. I
thought it was going to be a, And just absolutely deadlocked,
as a jury can be. All right, let's get to
this now. We have a lot of calls, a lot
of talkbacks. Antoinette, North Carolina. What's going on, Antoinette?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Hi, guys.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
This is disturbing on so many levels. It reminds me
of the movie 12 Angry Men. But I think that
jury needs to remember that she not only killed one child,
she killed three. So while she's basically strangling one and
watching the fear in that child's face... She's going to
the second one and then going to a third one.
(02:22):
And the fact she sent her husband out to me
is premeditated. And it is evil, just so evil and sad.
It's not just shocking. It's sad that our society has
come to that point. I wonder if these jurors are
intimidated at all by maybe the harassment they might be
getting if they're found out, you know, that they said in.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Oh, Antoinette, I think that's very real. You know, there's
a woman.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
who is now facing criminal, some like lunatic middle-aged woman,
clearly a lib, probably a big Kamala voter, who was
intimidating the jury and is facing charges for it now.
So you have people that have already shown that they
are unhinged, and yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
No, you're right.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I mean, I was just going to build on what
you're saying.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, yeah. So, Antoinette, I think that's a very good point.
I think that you have to remember, it's Massachusetts, okay?
In Massachusetts... A lot of these people are going to
go back to communities that are very left-wing.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Massachusetts is the second most liberal state, maybe? I mean,
it's in the top three for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Vermont, maybe one, and Massachusetts, too, would be my guess.
Extremely blue state.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I mean, I went to college in Massachusetts for four years,
so I'm pretty familiar with the place, and it's extremely blue.
So you're going to go back into communities where, I
can just tell you right now, for some of those guys...
they were thinking not the one who was brave. And
by the way, that guy's a hero, and I hope
it comes out who it is, although he's going to
face death threats. He's going to face horrible stuff. But
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whoever it is, refuse to bend the knee to the madness,
and it's really admirable.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Clay?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, I just want to address this directly to women
because I'm still getting emails from women. This is my
wife's argument. I didn't really think through it until she
made it. She's continuing to hammer it. Lindsay Clancy being
found not guilty is not pro-woman. It's the worst thing
that could happen to women because if your argument is
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Lindsay Clancy is so emotional and so hormonal that she
can't avoid killing her own children under stress, how can
women argue that they should be CEOs or presidents or
in any position of extreme power if we're so hormonal
we can't even avoid killing our own children? and again
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i think that's really important for the women out there
and just to echo it further men aren't allowed to
defend ourselves by saying our stress level got too high
our hormones were out of whack our testosterone levels were
too high or too low imagine if a man walked
into a courtroom accused of rape and said, hey, yes,
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I did it, but my hormone levels were too high
on testosterone. That's what drove me to do it, and
therefore I was driven insane, and I can't be held
responsible for raping you because my male hormones made me
incapable of telling right from wrong. All of you would
justifiably say, that's insane. That's what Lindsay Clancy is saying.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
You could even say like a road rage incident. As
you know, there are these horrible road rage incidents sometimes
where someone will cut someone else off and they just
snap and they pull out a gun and they shoot
the person at a red light or they follow them
and they attack them in a parking lot. That's a
momentary snap, a psychological snap for those people. Some of
them have never committed a violent crime before they are
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a hundred percent responsible for what they have done they
are a hundred percent guilty for the crime they have
committed it's not oh i just got so in the
moment that i now am no longer responsible people generally
when they're doing a heinous violent crime are not in
a great frame of mind that's usually not what's going
on so uh i i am i am I'm appalled.
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The whole thing here is crazy with what the outcome is.
Let's get to Justin in Ohio. What's going on, Justin?
Speaker 6 (06:18):
How's it going, guys?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
We're good. I mean, under the circumstances, we're good. Thanks
for calling in. What are you thinking?
Speaker 7 (06:24):
Well, me personally, I think the prosecution needs to pivot
a little bit and needs to bring up charges on
the defense attorney for bringing, you know, letting everybody know
in the nation and around the world that it was
a male juror And because that guy just made all
three of those jurors, whether they were on the right side,
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wrong side.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
He just made all three of those guys in a.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
Very dangerous spot, you know, walking out of that courthouse
with every nut that's on her side wanting to kill them.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, look, I think there's truth to that. Thank you
for the call.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I hope that this juror just comes public and says, look,
she killed her kids. I'm not willing to let her walk.
She could be out of the insane asylum in 40 days.
Because I do think there's a lot of people, myself included,
you included, Buck, who would see him as a hero.
And I think this is important. I think this is
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very important. It's hard to stand for right things. when
other people around you are berating you. And this guy,
think about what he's been through for the last six days.
All of these women have been hectoring, yelling at him,
probably screaming at him sometimes. The other two men, it
seems like, have folded. Do you know how hard it
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is to be the one person who is willing to say,
this isn't right? It's so hard to do. It's easy
to go with the herd. This guy is saying, no,
I'm not going to be convinced that what I know
to be true is actually false. And that's so rare.
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Lots of people say they would do it. But when
you're actually in the line of fire, most people are
willing to fold.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
You worry more.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
About being liked and being in the in crowd than
you do about what's doing what's being right. There's the
meme that sometimes you'll see of the guy with all
the swords pointed at him or the guy who's standing
up saying, no, all of you guys are wrong. This
person is doing it. And so I applaud him and
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I hope that his bravery can stand as a testament
for others going forward who might find themselves. not necessarily
on a jury trial, but metaphorically in a situation where
you're being told to do something that you know is
not the right choice, but the societal pressure and the
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peer pressure is so overwhelming. All of us have been
in situations like that. This guy is actually rare to
be willing to say, actually, no, you're all wrong, and
I'm not changing my mind.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Roger in Syracuse, New York. Roger, you're on.
Speaker 8 (09:16):
It's my understanding that this woman had been working as
a registered nurse in labor and delivery. And for no
one at her workplace to raise a red flag on
how she was completing her assignments is number one. So
she is in clear mind to.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Take care of other infants in the workplace. Yet she
looks up and says, And excuses her husband. If this
is not premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt, I don't know
what is. And I'm surprised nobody's looking for the death
penalty in this woman. Not one, not two, but three times.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I don't think Massachusetts. Thank you for the call. I
don't think Massachusetts has the death penalty. I agree with
Roger on, you know, intellectually.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
But, yeah, I think that's right. I don't think that
they could have got her on state charges for the
death penalty.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
In Massachusetts.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It is different state to state. But, yes, there was
a premeditation element of this in that she did research.
She knew she was going to do this and she
did research. And others have pointed out she was very
effective at murdering her own defenseless children, but very ineffective
at killing herself. I don't think that's just a sidebar.
I don't think that's something because for all the parents
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out there, I know you feel this way. Parents will
kill themselves a hundred times before they would harm their
child in any kind of way like this.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And that's part of this.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I think that also hasn't gotten nearly the discussion attention deserves.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
This woman is so depressed. She's having such a terrible time.
She's going to kill her kids before she tries to
kill herself.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Why?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And I know you're going to say, oh, but because
she's still not in her right mind, what if she's
just evil? It strikes me as it's an evil choice.
It's not just an emotionally unstable choice. If she killed herself,
there would be nothing here other than a funeral to
go to. Instead, she killed three children, her own children. And,
you know, Clay, I saw there was a story recently
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about a sorority girl who killed her own baby when
it came out. And this just happened. She was just sentenced,
I think, recently. She was a very attractive young woman,
probably 18, 19 years old or something. And she strangled
her own baby after it came out. She was sentenced
to prison, by the way, as she should have been.
But the baby was born. You're not going to give
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it up for adoption? I know so many families. They
would adopt the baby in a heartbeat, give it a life.
There's something our society has elevated the demonic among us.
A set of women when it comes to their children
and babies. This is what I'm sorry, but this raises
that issue in a way that I think is unavoidable.
There's something I do think it ties into abortion. I
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do think it ties into a place like Massachusetts just
recently saying you can have an abortion all nine months
of a pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
All nine months. A baby at nine months in the
womb is a baby.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I mean, and at eight months at conception. I'm just
using shorthand here. No human being with two brain cells
to rub together thinks that a baby at eight months
isn't a baby. But Massachusetts says you can kill it.
So there's a backdrop here for all of this. There's
a backdrop here. And I think that that's something else
to take into account. Andrew in Massachusetts. I didn't even
(12:24):
see this. Andrew, you want to talk about what I
just talked about?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Go ahead. Oh, I'm sorry. It's an email. Here we go.
Andrew says the.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
State just passed an abortion law where it's legal to
the moment of birth. It's not surprising that these women
are siding with Lindsay Clancy.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Nobody would be doing, Clay, can we agree on this?
Nobody would be doing this whole Lindsay Clancy's, it's not
her fault. She's the victim. If she had strangled and murdered,
let's say like her, or let's say she had poisoned
her her two adult children and her husband or something.
Nobody would be saying, oh, so hard for her. She
took too much Zoloft.
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I just think it's an easy question, too. What would
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Yes.
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Speaker 3 (16:11):
Welcome back in, Clay and Buck. We got a bunch
of calls still and talkbacks.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Let's see. Lindsay in Oklahoma City. Fire away, Lindsay. Linda, sorry.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
To remind you of the case of Chris Watts in Colorado,
he killed his two children because he was in love
with another woman.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
And he's now serving hard time in prison.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I mean, I think it's a good question, Linda. Thank
you for calling in. Can you think, Buck, can you think,
can any of you think of a man who killed
his own kids and was found not guilty of the
murder of his kids?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I would argue I don't think in recent history, certainly
in the judicial system we have.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
No, it would not would not happen. Men are held
to account for murdering their own children. Most women, I
would think, are in this case, the system has failed.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And again, it's one thing for one woman to make
a poor choice in her life, the worst possible choice.
To me, the number of women lining up to say
she can't be held responsible.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Who think they are pro-women.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
And that they are somehow advancing a positive story for women,
you're really going back to the 1700s and 1800s and
basically saying women can't be given responsibility. Just grab your
pearls and fall on your fainting couch and let men
take care of everything. That's what you're arguing when you
say a pregnant woman who murdered her own children can't
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possibly be held responsible for doing so because her hormones
were out of whack. It's actually the definition of being anti-woman,
not pro-woman.
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Clay and Buck. We obviously are taking a lot of
calls and talking about this Lindsay Clancy trial. It's very
upsetting to a lot of people. It's a mistrial, so
she was not found guilty. I do think, Clay, they
will try her again.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
To be fair, the mistrial is not yet effective. They're
going to have a trial hearing again at 2. The
Massachusetts Supreme Court could still step in, and we could
have another crazy wrinkle here that could allow 11 jurors
to let her walk. So the mistrial is not effectively
effective yet, even yet.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
But I would say, realistically, you got like a 5%
shot that the court If we get to a place
where the mob of maniacs, they're on the 11 side here,
not the one juror, they can just be so adamant
in their lunacy that the appeals court of the state
(19:56):
of Massachusetts is going to remove a juror because he's
not giving the quote right verdict based on quote the
law and Now you're just saying that like this is
I mean, this is almost makes a parody of the
entire system. Like, what's the point of having a jury
in the first place? We got Jim Jordan. I want
to bring him up.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
But Bill Malugin just posted the appeal that has been
filed to the Supreme Court. I want to read a
couple of sentences here for you, Buck. And I want
Jim Jordan, you can hear this as well. It says
a juror is refusing to follow the law. And here
the removal is particularly important because the juror's reasoning reflects
(20:38):
a bias against those who suffer from debilitating mental illness,
a protected category. OK, Buck, what are the chances that.
that he is simply saying as part of these deliberations,
you're all retarded. Apologies for anybody who's offended. They are
saying that according to this filing, the removal is necessary
(21:03):
because the juror's reasoning reflects a bias against those who
suffer from debilitating mental illness maybe it's not that they're likely.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
Congressman yeah congressman jordan let's pass it to you thank
you for giving us your time obviously the big news
today what what do you think about all this you
take it away well no i.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Think you i think you just said it that buck
that's the point and if that's what this guy uh
what the judge is saying about this particular juror or
what they're saying about this particular juror that just makes
absolutely no sense And I think the judge is probably
accurate in saying this guy's got to, you know, he's
(21:45):
got to go. Yeah, it's sad when you see this
greatest country in the world and the system we've set up,
our constitutional system, the three separate equal branches of government
and all the attacks on all those and how it's
now down to the basic level where it's supposed to
be a trial by the jury of your peers, where
(22:07):
that doesn't seem to be working well. exactly the way
it should be either so um yeah we'll see well
i mean we'll just see what happens here i guess
there's there's still some deliberation to take place i haven't
followed it as closely as you guys have here in
the last few hours.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Can i just ask you congressman and this is you
know we take i know you're we usually you're here
and you got your congressman hat on not your congressman
jacket because you tend not to wear a blazer as
we all know although the one we have of you
has I don't even know who this guy is with
a blazer on and the photo that they put up
on the screen on our YouTube. But anyway, have you
(22:45):
just in your day-to-day experience, whether in D.C. or at
home in Ohio, come across people, particularly women, who think
like the husband did it or that they're very– and
have you been surprised by this or have you just
been away from this entirely and haven't really had much
personal experience of it?
Speaker 6 (23:05):
No, it's been the latter. I haven't I have not
talked to anyone particularly about this and been following it
in the news somewhat. And then just got on here
in the last couple of minutes and listen to you
guys recapping. I'm thinking, oh, I didn't know that. That
sounds kind of crazy to me. So, no, I've not
been following that closely.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
All right.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Let's go ahead, Clay. Yeah, no, I was going to say,
let's go in. You're on the road right now. There
are only and I'm curious if you would sign on
to this because, you know, the the story on the
ground better than than certainly we do there have been
reports that there are about 20 toss-up house seats that
is real battlegrounds you're traveling the nation um working on
(23:45):
these battlegrounds do you think that's right um are there
about 20 and how do you see what's the ground
look like from your perspective.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
No, it's maybe a few more, but there aren't as
many as in the past because of the redistricting and
the gerrymandering that the Democrats have done and the redistricting
we've done here in this past cycle. So, yeah, it's
a smaller number of seats. But I think we can
pick up a lot. Last night I flew back into
Ohio and did an event for Derek Marin, who's running
against Marcy Kaptur. That's one of the pickup opportunities we
have where we could– that district was redrawn. It's now
(24:19):
more favorable to Republicans. So I think we've got a chance.
But our message over these last 60 days, in my judgment,
has got to be plain and simple. If you allow
Democrats to win, here's where they're going to go, all
the crazy policy. And we have to just lay that out. Remember,
nine months and four days ago, Mom Donnie was sworn
in as mayor of our largest city. And he said
(24:41):
in his speech, I was elected as a Democrat socialist.
I will govern as a Democrat socialist. We have to
replace the virginity of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism.
He believes it. He told us he's going to do it.
He's implementing that. And frankly, the party, the once great
party of FDR and JFK is now run by these
Democrat socialists. And they they're bent on doing what they
(25:04):
told us they were going to do. And it is scary.
So I think we have to tell our our voters
to persuade Republicans and like minded independents come out. We
have to tell them how real this is and that
they are their intent on doing what they said, which
is very, very scary in my judgment.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Breaking news, Buck.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
CNN is reporting that the Massachusetts Supreme Court has granted
a hearing for Lindsey Clancy's defense.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yeah, that is coming down right now. Sorry, Congressman. I
know we'll continue, but I just want to give people
the absolute latest there. Again, CNN breaking news banner right now.
Massachusetts Supreme Court grants a hearing. for the Clancy defense
to try to get the one juror kicked off who
is preventing a not guilty verdict.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I would like to think, sorry, Congressman, just a quick
reflection on this one. I would like to think that
this is just to show that they are being given
a hearing and process. If they actually remove this juror,
the whole thing is a farce. And this is just
the frenzied mob with pitchforks and torches getting their way,
(26:15):
which in this case, it's kind of the reverse of
a lynching situation. They want the guilty person to go free.
They're not trying to take an innocent person and make
them guilty. They want a guilty person to walk.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
I am.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
It's disgusting, Clay, honestly. So that is the latest. Okay,
back to we're talking to Congressman Jim Jordan. Thank you,
by the way, for your super great quotes from the
Wall Street Journal profile that is out online but is
coming out now on Saturday, Sunday. I was saying on
the air, Congressman, it only took 22 years of me
(26:51):
being in media for someone to write something nice about me.
So thank you for the quotes. That article came out
pretty well.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
No, it was a great article and well-deserved for you guys.
But they only took like one. I had a whole
bunch of great things I said about y'all because I
really think you guys do a tremendous job. And I
tried to put some funny things in there, but maybe
they didn't think it was funny. I was talking about
buck serve of 189 miles an hour. I was talking
about sports and everything else, but they just went with
one kind of basic generic one in the online piece. But, no,
(27:20):
it was a great piece and well-deserved for you guys
and the good work that you do.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
We appreciate it. Now, back to politics, if I can. No, really,
it was very nice. Very nice. Some people are saying
Jim Jordan, very nice. But talk to me about how
you think the GOP messaging is going on. It's a
word that we've said so many times that I think
people are sick of hearing it. But all of what
we can see in the polls says that this is
(27:48):
what the election will turn on. This is what the
midterm will turn on. It's affordability. How do you think
the GOP is doing on this right now? Do you
think that– there need to be some tweaks made or
is it just stay on message, stay on task, and
we should be able to defend the House and Senate majorities?
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Well, I always say, you know, we make the job
too complicated. It's pretty basic. What we tell the voters
we're going to do, and then, you know, if they
elect you, go do what you said. We've done that.
We told them we'd cut taxes.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
We did.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
We told them we'd secure the border. We did. We
told them we'd be for school choice. That was in
the big, beautiful bill. Also, this welfare reform that we
put in, it's actually making a difference in people's lives
and all. So, I think that's message one. Message two
is we understand things cost too much. We get that.
But it's not all bad out there. You saw the
jobs report, the jobs numbers today were way above what
(28:37):
most people thought they would be. So our economy is
pretty good. But again, things cost too much. So we
have to, I think, recognize that. But I do think
what I said earlier is the key message, particularly now
that we're down to less than nine weeks until Election Day.
It's they want to ruin what this country has always
given its people. This simple idea, you've got a goal,
you've got a dream, you work hard, good things happen.
(28:59):
They will ruin that with their crazy left-wing policies. Mamdani
talked about the warmth of collectivism. I was giving a
speech out at the Republican Jewish Coalition in Vegas on Sunday,
and I said, I've seen the warmth of collectivism. I
wrestled in the Soviet Union in 1987. I mean, I
tell people I was in Moscow in February. Moscow in February,
it's like 200 below zero. There is no food in
(29:20):
the stores. It's just a terrible, gray, dismal place. That's
where this left-wing craziness will take us, and we have
to let voters know that and how we're for the
principles and the policies that we think make America special.
So I do think that's a central theme, and we
have to pound that over these next weeks. eight and
(29:40):
a half weeks.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Congressman Jim Jordan, appreciate you being with us, sir. Thanks
for making the time, as always, and have a great
Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
All right. Take care.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
You guys, too. That is always good to hear from
Jim Jordan. The court is in recess until 2 p.m.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Eastern.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
So that is what, 15 minutes from now. And again,
CNN is reporting that there is a hearing underway right
now with the Massachusetts Supreme Court. They've changed their headlines somewhat.
I can't hear it, Buck. So the team in New York,
they can turn up the sound.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
If this Massachusetts appeals court weighs in and says that
they're removing that juror and then they're pushing for a verdict,
the whole thing is rigged and it's a joke and
it's preposterous. It's a deeply unfunny joke, but it's a farce.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
So that's where we are. We'll see.
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We got a bunch of calls. Let's see here. We're
waiting for an update. Craig in Florida. I'll go to first.
He's been waiting the longest.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
Hey, guys. Liz, my question is, what about the civil
rights of the kids? If this thing goes.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Sideways like it looks like it is, can the feds
bring a lawsuit that way?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, this would get into a challenging situation. We just
talked about this some with the Luigi Mangione case, where
there is a double jeopardy component to this. In other words,
if Lindsey Clancy were found not guilty... under state charges,
there is an argument that it would be hard to
charge her for something similar under federal-related charges. And, again,
(33:58):
this is a state violation because there was no crossing
state lines that are involved. So I think that would
be challenging. It's a smart question.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Maybe you could do, if you wanted to get creative, Clay,
you could say the Internet searches for, like, how, as
part of the conspiracy, essentially conspiracy to commit murder. And
I'm saying there are ways that if you really wanted to,
you could try to make this a federal case, but
you would face a lot of challenges. Because what they
(34:28):
usually what people know happens, Clay, is there's sometimes a
cop will get off on the state charges for excessive force.
And then if it's a Democrat federal administration, a Democrat
White House, guess what they'll do? Deprivation of rights. You know,
so they'll hit you with a different charge of the
same thing.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Anyway, I think the challenge becomes that it is a
real difficulty in order to get any of this additionally
charged if she's not guilty. John in San Diego, what
you got for us?
Speaker 10 (35:02):
Clay and Buck, I really enjoy your show and your
opinions are always well-reasoned. However, I think in this case,
if you had the practical experience that I've had with
a daughter who went through postpartum depression, you would have
a different opinion of this situation. Would you like me
to explain?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Well, let me ask you this, John. I mean, certainly
we'll take your explanation. Do you have sons?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
It's a daughter.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, but do you have a son?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
And if he said he was super depressed and he
killed his three kids, would you say the dad shouldn't
be held responsible?
Speaker 10 (35:40):
Here's the problem is that women are different than men,
and it's hard for us to understand this. I watched
a girl who I raised 35 years, and she changed.
It was like somebody.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
You didn't even recognize.
Speaker 10 (35:57):
She became dangerous.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
And we had to have her hospitalized.
Speaker 10 (36:01):
I think it's a shame that nobody got this girl
into therapy when she needed it.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
She was in extensive therapy, just to be clear. She
was seeing doctors and had medicine and had her husband
helping her. And, you know, they just aren't allowed to
involuntarily commit people easily in places like Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Thank you for the call. We're glad that your daughter's okay.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
My position in general would be, and the reason why
I asked if he had a son, if your son,
I've got sons, right? If one of my sons, God forbid,
did something like this, I can't imagine anything that would
make me say, hey, he shouldn't be held responsible for
this because of his mental makeup. If you are saying
women should be treated differently than men when they kill
(36:44):
their kids, I just fundamentally disagree with you. I think
the standard is pretty simple for moms and dads. Don't
kill your kids. If you do, you should end up
in prison at minimum the rest of your life.
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