December 1, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show centers on one of the most consequential political battles in the country: the special election in Tennessee’s 7th Congressional District. Clay and Buck open the hour with an exclusive interview featuring Speaker of the House Mike Johnson and Republican candidate Matt Van Epps, who are campaigning across the district to ensure a GOP victory. Both stress the urgency of voter turnout, warning that Democrats are investing heavily to flip this deep-red seat and create a national narrative shift ahead of the midterms. President Trump’s endorsement and personal involvement underscore the race’s significance, as does Speaker Johnson’s presence on the ground. Van Epps details his platform and contrasts it sharply with his opponent, Afton Bain, citing her support for defunding police, abolishing prisons, transgender surgeries for minors without parental consent, and higher taxes to fund a socialist agenda. The discussion also highlights the district’s geography—spanning 14 counties from downtown Nashville to rural farming communities—and the cultural values Van Epps vows to defend.
Clay and Buck tackle a major immigration controversy sparked by President Trump doubling down on remarks about Minnesota Governor Tim Walz. The hosts dissect a New York Times exposé on a billion-dollar fraud scheme involving Somali immigrants in Minnesota, raising questions about refugee resettlement, welfare abuse, and cultural assimilation. They argue for a merit-based immigration system that prioritizes highly skilled individuals over low-wage migrants, warning that America’s current policies import “cultural toxicity” and strain resources. Both hosts challenge the notion that “diversity is our strength,” advocating instead for shared Western values and a pause on mass immigration to protect national cohesion. They compare today’s immigration system to Ellis Island, noting how the welfare state has fundamentally changed incentives and created systemic abuse.
Hour 2 closes on a lighter note with Clay and Buck sharing personal Thanksgiving reflections, including Buck’s first holiday as a dad and a playful plug for their YouTube channel featuring Buck’s baby.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Second Hour Play in Bud kicks off right now, and
we're joined by Matt Van Epps and Speaker of the
House Mike Johnson.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
We got a two for one special here today. Thank
you so much, gentlemen for making the time for us.
Appreciate you both.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hey, guys, great to be with you. This is Mike
and Matt Van Epps is with me. We are traveling
through Tennessee. He's got a big special election.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Tomorrow, as you'll know, and we're going to win this
for the country.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
We absolutely have to. Mister Speaker, tell us what you're seeing,
what you're hearing. How the early turnout is looking well.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I won't speak for Matt here, but I'll tell you
it looks great to me. I landed here early this
morning and we are going to do a dozen events today.
We started with a big rally with hundreds of people.
There's a lot of enthusiasm. This is deep red country.
I mean, Tennessee is a rich state.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
He's in a red district.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It takes in parts of Nashville and then fourteen counties overall.
We're going to make our way through all of that today.
People are excited. They know.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
We're talking with Speaker of the House Mike Johnson. They
are right now in a car touring the district. Matt
Van Epps Tennessee seventh Congressional District and Speaker Mike Johnson
with us right now, and then we will talk with
Matt Van Epps there together for people out there nationwide.
I know President Trump called in this morning. I believe
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he's gonna call in later this evening as well.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I will be voting.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
This is my district in the Nashville area, so we
will be there. Why does this race matter so much?
I think we have the speaker, tell them to call back,
Tell them to call back. They're on the road campaigning.
They wanted to call in together, so we will get
him back. But you heard Speaker of the House Mike
Johnson there. And again the fact that we have the
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President calling in this morning, calling in this evening, getting
awareness out that this race is taking place. It is
a non traditional time.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Again. Election day is tomorrow in this district, and.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
They got the President, They've got the Speaker in the
district going all over the place today. Awareness is probably
the most important part here. Sometimes you have to worry
about getting out the undecided voters. That's often how you
win swing districts. This is a Republican district. We just
have to make people aware that this election is taking
place and that they need to get out there and vote.
(02:25):
And that's a challenge that's a little bit different. And
Democrats are gambling on their crazy cat lady contingent to
continue to show up. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson
back with us. Now, big picture, I'm in this district,
Mistric Speaker, I'm going to get out and vote. I
want everybody in Tennessee seven to get out and support
Matt van Epps. Why is the president involved? Why are
(02:48):
you involved? Why is this district so important?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Well, this district is really does count for the whole country.
You know, I've presided over some of the slimmest majorities,
delivered huge despite that, but it illustrates the importance. I mean,
every single seat matters, and that's why we're so happy
to be in.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Let's uh, let's bring in uh the future congressman. I
believe he'll be elected tomorrow. Matt van Apps. What are
you seeing in terms of turnout and if people are
not aware, if they're in this district, Uh, Matt, what
would you tell them they need to do to do?
How do you find out because it's still a new district,
how do you find out if you, like me, are
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in Tennessee seven.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
Now, the information is on our website, Matt Fortn dot
com Matt f o r TN dot com. We've got
all the election information. Folks can find out where their
polling location is. Links to the Secretary of State's website,
So if they go to Matt Fortn dot com, they'll
get that information. We are up right now and we're
gonna win when everybody gets out tomorrow. The weather could
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be an issue, and we ask people just to be safe,
but to get out, have a plan, get to the poll,
and be a part of this victory because it is
for our country and we're going to get it done.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Matt. Why is it that whenever I am perusing as
one does, not just online, but occasionally I'll even go
and see what they're saying in the crazier corners of
the television world like MS now formerly known as MSNBC,
they seem very focused on this race and really want
to sneak this one, sneak this one out and take
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this seat from you what's going on. It's like this
is the biggest thing that they've seen since election day.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Well, it's the only country, it's the only race going
right now in the country. And the Democrats are throwing
everything they have it and they're spending a lot of money.
They've have Jasmine Crockett and a bunch of the far
left folks that are rallying AOC and it's an ideology
that we have to reject. And we'll do that when
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folks get out and vote for us tomorrow. I mean,
you know, my opponent has been endorsed by the Democratic
Socialists of America once transgender surgery for minors without parental consent,
wants to raise our taxes, new taxes that will skyrocket
our inflation, and that's to pay for the socialist agenda.
We cannot let that happen. And when folks join our team,
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when all the Republicans, all of the freedom loving Americans
get out in the Tennessee seventh Congressional District tomorrow and
vote for us, we'll en sure that we win and
we drive America first forward.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
They were telling me guys that you guys have a
unique connection to the Army, Navy game, which is coming
up soon. I know the President I saw will be there,
Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, and also I believe
the next congressman from the seventh District of Tennessee, my Congressman,
Matt Van Epps, starting tomorrow, I hope. What is that
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connection in Army Navy? What's your bet here?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yeah, look, I'm going to be with the resident in
the suite.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
My son is a sophomore at the Naval Academy, but
Matt here is an Army ranger and he's a West
Point grad. So this is the one thing that he
and I are going to disagree on. Guys, I'm going
to say go Navy beat Army, and I'm going to
say go Army beat Navy.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Well, that's going to be an awesome event. I'm excited
the President's going to be there. Speaking of which, I
don't know if you've weighed in on this. Speaker at
the House of Mike Johnson, Lane Kiffin. I bet Buck
has even seen this. It swept the nation. Lane Kiffin
has left the old Miss Rebels. He is now the
LSU head football coach. He's being introduced this afternoon. Huge
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story there. What's your take on that as one of
the post pressing issues in the state of Louisiana for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Well, you know, I'm a double alum from LSU undergrad
and law school, so I bleed purple and gold, and
I told my governor and the president of the Board
of Supervisor down there, do I need to lobby Kiffin?
Do I need the lobby Kiffin?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
And they said no, we think we got it.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
But we'll call you in if necessary. It's a good
choice for him. LSU, as you know, is a premiere program.
We should be in the national championship every year.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I used to think Speaker of the House is the
most stressful job in the world, but it's really sec
football coach. You know that you gotta win every Saturday.
Every Saturday it's on the line. So best wishes to him.
It's going to be great in co Tigers.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
We've got uh let's come back to the Tennessee seventh
there and I know we had you on last week,
Matt van Apps. Can you tell everybody out there give
us a rough idea of the communities in this district,
because again a lot of people may not know and
Republicans have to battle Democrats who are gonna show up
no matter what the race is. They show up in
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these special elections and big numbers. We've got to make
sure our people know about this race tomorrow and also
know if they're in the district.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
And so we've got we've got fourteen counties and it stretches.
We've got downtown Nashville. I love Nashville, by the way.
I love country music and you know it. And it
stretches up to where Fort Campbell is Clarksville. I lived
in our skill for five years when I served in
the one sixties Special Operations Aviation Regiment. Montgomery County is
a great county. We've got part of Williamson down to
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Franklin and then our western border Benton Indicator, Stuart, Montgomery,
and Robertson. On the north, we have Houston, Humphreys, Perry
and Wayne, Hickman, Dixon, Cheatham, and it's just a bunch
of amazing locations. We you know, we've got great rural
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farmers are so important to us. We're just leaving an
event in Robertson County. We're going to one in Cheatham
County and that will be top of our list. Hardworking families,
military veterans, folks that are active duty National Guard, law enforcement,
just amazing communities across our fourteen counties, and we're gonna
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be working hard every single day for every one of
those communities.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
What is the craziest stuff that people should know in
your district about your opponent? Afton? I know you have
a lot to draw on here. Some of the quotes
alone are particularly memorable, that's one thing you could say.
But in terms of positions, in terms of what she represents,
if you were to give me a top three Afton
(09:14):
bane hit list, what would be on it? Because it's
pretty extraordinary from what I can just pull off the
top of my head.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Well, in the you know, I alluded to the fact that,
you know, she's saying that she hates Nashville, the you know,
part of the district that she wants to represent. But
it goes much further than that. She wants to defund
the police. There's a whole anti law enforcement bucket. She
wants to defund the police. She wants to abolish prisons.
She was out as a sitting state legislator filming herself
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bullying and harassing ice in the Tennessee Highway Patrol which
is just unbelievable. It's disqualifying. So there's a whole bucket there.
She wants transgender surgery for minors without parental consent, believes
that men can get pregnant, and just just you know, crazy.
And I think the other piece too is she wants
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to new and hire taxes to fund her socialist agenda
that will skyrocket our cost of living. They're just policies
that are not good and don't make sense for the
Tennessee seventh Congressional district. They don't make sense for Tennessee
or America.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Do you have a sense You mentioned that I don't
know how good a data you guys get on who's
turning out. For instance, you can join me tomorrow and
go vote on election day. Do you have a sense
on how the numbers look on the early voting? You
mentioned that you feel confident. What kind of data do
you have out there? Obviously we want everybody showing up
on election day in huge numbers, making sure this crazy
(10:42):
chick Afton Bain isn't elected in Tennessee seven. But what
kind of data have you seen on early turnouts so far?
Do you have access to that info?
Speaker 6 (10:51):
We do, We've got some some polling data and we're up,
but we want to be up by a lot. And
that's what happens when people put on the jersey, get
on the field tomorrow and go and vote and we'll
win decisively. When when that happens. We had we had
a really good early voting outcome and that's great, but
we want to leave nothing to chance. We want every
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single person to get out tomorrow and vote if they
haven't voted again. Our website's Matt fortn dot com. For
more information, Matt fo r TN dot com. They can
find out their polling location. The times the polls will
be open most are seven am to seven pm, but
that varies in a few locations. And you know, we
just need we need fights, folks to fight through the
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any cold or weather tomorrow because every single vote matters
in this and it's for the direction of our country
and so we need every vote and folks to be safe,
have a plan, get out there and vote.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
As I'm watching Bock, MSNBC is leading with this race.
They're telling their people to go out and vote if
they're watching MSNBC. CNN has been talking about it a
ton buck anything else do you want to hit the
duo with.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Well, I just hope that you guys pull home, bring
home rather the w because this is an important one
and I don't want to see anything but tears among
the MSNB. I'm sorry, ms now commentariot. So it's all
in your hands, gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Well, no pressure, right, But the peril of a special election,
especially in a deep red district like this, is that
everybody just assumes that a Republican like Matt is going
to win, but it is not guaranteed. You have to
get out and vote. We're expecting a little inclement weather
here tomorrow. It may be cold, maybe rainy, I don't know, sleet,
but you've got to go out and do that patriotic
duty to ensure that we keep this majority in the House.
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We can keep moving the Trumpet agenda and the America
First agenda forward. So thanks to everybody. The former member
here was Mark Green's who if you lived in mart
Green's congressional district, we need you out tomorrow and we're
counting on you.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
I'll be there, Congressman hopefully tomorrow will be celebrating that.
And Speaker Mike Johnson, we appreciate the time. Good luck
with Lane Kiffin for all the Louisiana's out there listening
to us.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
No Tigers appreciate you guys, Thanks for all the help.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Thank you.
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Speaker 5 (14:47):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis bought Sexton Show. You just
heard from Speaker of the House Mike Johnson and Tennessee
seventh Congressional District candidate Matt Van Epps about the fact
that they are are right now campaigning all over the
Tennessee seventh district. You just heard where that race is
taking place, and the fact that frankly Democrats are trying
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to steal this race. President Trump called in earlier today
to their rally, and over the weekend, President Trump was
asked Buck whether he stood by calling Minnesota Governor Tim
Walls retarded. And this is cut three.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
Listen Tim Walls, and you called him of what many
Americans do find an offensive word, retarded.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Do you stand by that claim of Callington Walls retarded? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (15:40):
I think there's something wrong with him, Absolutely sure. You
don't think that you have a problem with you know what.
I think there's something wrong with him. Anybody that would
do what he did, anybody that would allow those people
into his state and pay billions of vallas out to Samadiet.
We give billions of valas to submod It's not even
a country because it doesn't function like a country. It's
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got a name, but it doesn't function like a country. Yeah,
there's something wrong with Wills.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
So this has turned into a big story, and even
the New York Times I was reading over the weekend,
Buck has decided that it's impossible to actually avoid this story. Now,
there have been billions of dollars in fraud perpetrated by
Somalian immigrants on the state of Minnesota and also the
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federal government. Since a lot of the money that Minnesota
is using for healthcare goes through the state of Minnesota.
It's being provided by taxpayers all over the country, and
it's leading to a conversation, which I think is a
worthy one of wait, what in the world is going
on that suddenly Minneapolis has this big of a Somalian population,
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and is this actually benefiting the people of Minnesota to
have this population which is engaging in massive acts of fraud.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Well, yes, and it's also a population that in many
cases came here under a refugee status because Somalia is Look,
I'll just tell you one of the conversations that we
used to have regularly with particularly like long time serving
Special Operations guys CIA, guys who have been in for
a long time, is what is the worst country you've
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ever been to? This is a conversation that comes up
in intel community, in the military. Somalia is always top three.
I mean for a lot of people, it's the single
worst country in the world just in terms of lack
of governance, violence, infrastructure, just to give you go down
the list. And now we have at some level imported
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a series of habits, a culture, a approach by bringing in
so many Somalis into one place.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
We'll talk about this more when we come back, because
I think it's a part of a bigger conversation coming
out of what was a thanksgiving message from President Trump.
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Speaker 1 (18:57):
Right, welcome back in here to clan Buck. This is
a really interesting story and it's gotten a lot of
attention because not just the immigration implications of it all,
but also because Tim Walls, who President Trump just doubled
down on calling retarded. That is what the President called him,
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just saying that Tim Walls was what a shock, asleep
at the a sleep at the wheel, or actually maybe
even worse than that, complicit with his inaction when he
was governor of Minnesota. This guy's a buffoon. And Minnesota
has unfortunately been going in a very bad direction as
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a state for a long time. Now. It's getting more
and more left wing, more and more radical, and a
part of that radicalization is the Somali community, which is
now approaching one hundred thousand people in Minneapolis. Minnesota is
not that big as a state, so that's a pretty
considerable voting block. And what we have here, mister Clay
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times peace, how fraud swamped Minnesota's social services system on
Tim Walls's watch. This was just published a couple of
days ago, over the weekend, and the fraud is staggering
in its scope, over a billion dollars in taxpayer money.
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Scores of people involved, almost all of them Somali, and
some are naturalized, some are born here, but all from
the Somali community in Minnesota. And they were doing things
like setting up fraudulent companies and saying that they that
were feeding It was a lot of it was charity.
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They're sort of bilking the system by pretending to be
running charities feeding hungry children. They pretended to feed hungry
children so they could buy houses and cars and things
like that. Just the most egregious fraud, most egregious thing
from the government. It's a whole scheme played the detail
where another Somali in this case a doctor, was having
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parents claim that their kids were autistic and getting kickbacks
from that. I mean, just whatever they could do to
steal from the system they were doing. They were doing
it ruthlessly, remorselessly, continuously. In some individual cases. You're talking
about just tens of millions of dollars, And people are
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asking a lot of questions, like, first of all, how
is it clayed that the state of Minnesota could have
this happen and not figure it out sooner. Part of it,
I think is that the Somali community there is an
important voting block now for Democrats. And there's also this
oh anything that you're going like, you can't prosecute all
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the fraud in the Somali community because it's racist, because
it's all Somali's doing the fraud. That's another thing that
comes up here. It's a mess. And you know Tim
Walls was the VP candidate for Democrats the last go round.
I don't think he's going to be the VP this
time around. I can tell you that.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
Well.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
I think the biggest thing to me that stands out
is if the government's being defrauded by billions of dollars
and doesn't have any idea it's going on, we're failing,
I mean the government. And again this is not going
to shock people, but the healthcare in this country is
such a corrupt mess that this is likely not the
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only fraud that is going on anywhere near its size,
probably happening all over the place. But this idea that
we have been told, and I do think it's a
real national debate that we should have this idea that
we've been told that all of these what is it,
fifty three million immigrants in the United States, I think
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was the number that Trump had in his tweet that
fifty three million people who live in this country now
and I'm talking about legal, not illegal, that all of
them enrich this country in a substantial way and are
not a drain on resources, I think is just a lie.
And I believe in immigration. I believe in treating immigration.
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The analogy that I would use is, I want the
lottery picks. I want the first round draft picks of
the world. I want the most brilliant, the most highly educated,
the smartest people of other countries. I think bringing them
here and allowing American ingenuity to combine with their hard
work and their meritocracy, that's a good thing for the country.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I buy into that.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
But the idea that we have low skilled, low wage
people from countries that don't have any sort of connection
at all, I think this is really what this about
buck Western civilization in general, that don't have any commitment
to shared civilizational aspects that have basically dragged us out
of a desolate his story into modern wealth and prominence.
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If you're not embracing Western civilization, why should.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
We have you here?
Speaker 5 (24:09):
And I think that's a real question that's getting asked.
And I think the difference is people say, well, what
happened with Ellis Island and all those things. Most of
the people who came in through Ellis Island, they were
from Italy, they were from Germany, they were from Ireland.
They had a commitment to the ideals of Western civilization
in a way that a lot of the people were
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bringing in today do not. In fact, many of them
reject Western civilization as a good thing.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
And also, thirty percent of the people who came through
Ellis Island went home because there was no welfare state,
because there was no office to go to where you
could say, hey, just start giving me my free stuff.
Where's my free housing, where's my free food and healthcare?
Where's all my free stuff? There was no office of
free stuff back then, And so some people realize that
it's actually really hard to make it in this country.
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Yes there's opportunity, but opportunity comes with risk and cost.
And they went home. They went back to their country
of origin. At a time when the journey here was
our juice expensive and difficult, we don't have that anymore
because we've become the world soup kitchen, and effectively increasingly
we are like an economic zone for people who just
want to live at the expense of everybody else. And
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that's a huge problem. And this is what has really
turned I think the mindset of the American people right now,
Clay against so much of this. Our generosity as a people,
as Americans has been exploited and mocked by the actions
of people who have come here claiming fake asylum in
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huge numbers when they cross our border, illegally, scamming our
immigration system in every way possible, playing all these different
games to get access to resources, resources that are taken
from all of you and taken out of your paycheck.
If you are an American listening to this who pays
to time, which I know most of you are, that
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money is taken from you and given to others, and
the scams need to stop. Other countries would not put
up with this at all. And we just have to
be at a place where we can have honest conversations like, Okay,
if we're gonna have a big problem with the Somali
community stealing from Americans, we need to look at how
many more Somalus you want in the American family through
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our immigration system. This is just the way it has
to be.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
I just I look at it and say if you
are coming in and you are immediately going on welfare
and support, you shouldn't be admitted to this country. I mean,
it's actually a violation of immigrant that's an a violation
of immigration law Clay.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
It's just not enforced. You are not allowed to immigrate
to this country and become a public charge and get
any public benefits. But states like California and New York
they do it at the state level. They com mingle
federal funds. So it's a lot like the whole thing
is a lie. We're told, oh, don't worry, we won't
have people who are welfare cases coming here, tomes of
welfare cases. Fifty five percent of immigrant households get welfare.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Yeah, I mean that to me should be a non
starter on space and I'm sure most of you out
there listening are nodding along. We take care of people
as best we can who are citizens of this country,
but people who are not citizens of this country are
coming in and they are taking away benefits that would
otherwise be going to citizens. They're frankly, we're thirty eight
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trillion dollars in debt. They are helping to run up
the national debt in a significant way. I just I
don't even look at this as a remotely partisan related question.
If you told me right now, I run a company. Hey,
if you're going to hire these people, they're gonna cost
you money and they're not gonna make you any money,
would you bring them into your company? My answer would
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be no. I don't see this as a difficult call.
We should run the country like a company when it
comes to immigration. Are we bringing in people who are
net benefits to the country, that are going to be
huge job creators, that are going to be huge access
to this country. If the answer is yes, I want
them here, right, that's a meritocratic system.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
If we get the most.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Brilliant minds around the world and they want to come
here and create jobs and have better outcomes than they
could in their country, that's what we should be doing.
I mean, the intellectual first round draft picks of the world.
I want them here. But people who are going to steal,
and people who are going to be wards of the state,
and people with no substantial educational background and value, I
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just I don't see in any way how this is
beneficial to the United States.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
And again I go.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Back to culture, the older I get buck the more
I'm convinced that culture determines everything. The culture that you create,
whether it's in your company, whether it's in your state,
whether it's in your country, dictates the outcome that you're
going to get. One of my favorite quotes from a
coach is we recruit our problem. United States is recruiting
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our problems. If you go out and you bring in
people with bad culture and bad backgrounds, they're not going to.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Be net benefits to the country.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I mean, this is just very basic stuff for anybody
who's ever been involved in management at all. If you
bring in toxic employees, you create a toxic culture inside
of your company, inside of your workplace. If we're bringing
in toxicity, we're creating a more toxic environment than would
otherwise exist in the United States, particularly when it's not
committed to basic Western values of civilization that have propelled
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us to the success that we have today.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
We actually have the opposite of what you're talking about,
which is we have a system where we take as
many people from the Third World, from poor countries, through
chain migration, through asylum scams, through all of this. That's
a huge portion of our immigration system, legal and illegal,
and one of the challenges that I think now the
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country is willing to finally look at and be honest
about it. There are going to be some countries that
are predominantly non white countries where you're not going to
take a lot of immigrants because the objective criteria that
you have set for immigrants will not be met by
people from those countries. And that has not been the
case in America for a long time. We've been taking
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whatever bring us your war torn, your impoverished, your illiterate,
and your culturally backwards. That has become the American immigration
policy de facto for decades.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Now, and the consequences are becoming clear. And I think
President Trump saying, hey, let's pause. And this is not
new this you know, if you're a student of history.
One hundred years ago, people said, hey, I think we've
had too much immigration in the United States. We need
to pause and allow what's already happened to occur, to
allow that sort of melting pot to occur. The problem is, again,
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I come back to culture. If you don't have similar
cultural values to someone else and you try to come
to this country, you're going to import the culture of
the Third world asposed to the culture of Western civilization.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
And I don't think that's good.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
I mean, I'm sorry, I just I look around that
I say, you know, I think one of the great
lies that many of us were taught was diversity is
our strength. I actually don't think diversity is a strength.
Diversity of thought can be a strength if you apply it,
and the best ideas win, but just diversity itself as
somehow a positive outcome or goal. Diversity of thought is
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the only diversity that matters. There's also zero historical precedent
or basis to.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Believe that having a huge number of people in a
country not from that country, speaking three hundred different languages,
of all different religions, of all different you know, political
belief systems is going to result in a cohesive nation state. Yeah,
over the long run. Zero, there's just zero. In fact,
there's a lot of evidence. All the historical evidence is
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This is not a good idea. So now we're starting
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as well buck as Venezuela, Ukraine and Russia. But and
I don't know about you, I've got a big, big
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Third hour of the program. Next
Welcome in everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Second Hour Play in Bud kicks off right now, and
we're joined by Matt Van Epps and Speaker of the
House Mike Johnson.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
We got a two for one special here today. Thank
you so much, gentlemen for making the time for us.
Appreciate you both.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hey, guys, great to be with you. This is Mike
and Matt Van Epps is with me. We are traveling
through Tennessee. He's got a big special election.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Tomorrow, as you'll know, and we're going to win this
for the country.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
We absolutely have to. Mister Speaker, tell us what you're seeing,
what you're hearing. How the early turnout is looking well.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I won't speak for Matt here, but I'll tell you
it looks great to me. I landed here early this
morning and we are going to do a dozen events today.
We started with a big rally with hundreds of people.
There's a lot of enthusiasm. This is deep red country.
I mean, Tennessee is a rich state.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
He's in a red district.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It takes in parts of Nashville and then fourteen counties overall.
We're going to make our way through all of that today.
People are excited. They know.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
We're talking with Speaker of the House Mike Johnson. They
are right now in a car touring the district. Matt
Van Epps Tennessee seventh Congressional District and Speaker Mike Johnson
with us right now, and then we will talk with
Matt Van Epps there together for people out there nationwide.
I know President Trump called in this morning. I believe
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he's gonna call in later this evening as well.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I will be voting.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
This is my district in the Nashville area, so we
will be there. Why does this race matter so much?
I think we have the speaker, tell them to call back,
Tell them to call back. They're on the road campaigning.
They wanted to call in together, so we will get
him back. But you heard Speaker of the House Mike
Johnson there. And again the fact that we have the
(01:50):
President calling in this morning, calling in this evening, getting
awareness out that this race is taking place. It is
a non traditional time.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Again. Election day is tomorrow in this district, and.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
They got the President, They've got the Speaker in the
district going all over the place today. Awareness is probably
the most important part here. Sometimes you have to worry
about getting out the undecided voters. That's often how you
win swing districts. This is a Republican district. We just
have to make people aware that this election is taking
place and that they need to get out there and vote.
(02:25):
And that's a challenge that's a little bit different. And
Democrats are gambling on their crazy cat lady contingent to
continue to show up. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson
back with us. Now, big picture, I'm in this district,
Mistric Speaker, I'm going to get out and vote. I
want everybody in Tennessee seven to get out and support
Matt van Epps. Why is the president involved? Why are
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you involved? Why is this district so important?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Well, this district is really does count for the whole country.
You know, I've presided over some of the slimmest majorities,
delivered huge despite that, but it illustrates the importance. I mean,
every single seat matters, and that's why we're so happy
to be in.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Let's uh, let's bring in uh the future congressman. I
believe he'll be elected tomorrow. Matt van Apps. What are
you seeing in terms of turnout and if people are
not aware, if they're in this district, Uh, Matt, what
would you tell them they need to do to do?
How do you find out because it's still a new district,
how do you find out if you, like me, are
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in Tennessee seven.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
Now, the information is on our website, Matt Fortn dot
com Matt f o r TN dot com. We've got
all the election information. Folks can find out where their
polling location is. Links to the Secretary of State's website,
So if they go to Matt Fortn dot com, they'll
get that information. We are up right now and we're
gonna win when everybody gets out tomorrow. The weather could
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be an issue, and we ask people just to be safe,
but to get out, have a plan, get to the poll,
and be a part of this victory because it is
for our country and we're going to get it done.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Matt. Why is it that whenever I am perusing as
one does, not just online, but occasionally I'll even go
and see what they're saying in the crazier corners of
the television world like MS now formerly known as MSNBC,
they seem very focused on this race and really want
to sneak this one, sneak this one out and take
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this seat from you what's going on. It's like this
is the biggest thing that they've seen since election day.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Well, it's the only country, it's the only race going
right now in the country. And the Democrats are throwing
everything they have it and they're spending a lot of money.
They've have Jasmine Crockett and a bunch of the far
left folks that are rallying AOC and it's an ideology
that we have to reject. And we'll do that when
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folks get out and vote for us tomorrow. I mean,
you know, my opponent has been endorsed by the Democratic
Socialists of America once transgender surgery for minors without parental consent,
wants to raise our taxes, new taxes that will skyrocket
our inflation, and that's to pay for the socialist agenda.
We cannot let that happen. And when folks join our team,
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when all the Republicans, all of the freedom loving Americans
get out in the Tennessee seventh Congressional District tomorrow and
vote for us, we'll en sure that we win and
we drive America first forward.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
They were telling me guys that you guys have a
unique connection to the Army, Navy game, which is coming
up soon. I know the President I saw will be there,
Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, and also I believe
the next congressman from the seventh District of Tennessee, my Congressman,
Matt Van Epps, starting tomorrow, I hope. What is that
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connection in Army Navy? What's your bet here?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yeah, look, I'm going to be with the resident in
the suite.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
My son is a sophomore at the Naval Academy, but
Matt here is an Army ranger and he's a West
Point grad. So this is the one thing that he
and I are going to disagree on. Guys, I'm going
to say go Navy beat Army, and I'm going to
say go Army beat Navy.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Well, that's going to be an awesome event. I'm excited
the President's going to be there. Speaking of which, I
don't know if you've weighed in on this. Speaker at
the House of Mike Johnson, Lane Kiffin. I bet Buck
has even seen this. It swept the nation. Lane Kiffin
has left the old Miss Rebels. He is now the
LSU head football coach. He's being introduced this afternoon. Huge
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story there. What's your take on that as one of
the post pressing issues in the state of Louisiana for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Well, you know, I'm a double alum from LSU undergrad
and law school, so I bleed purple and gold, and
I told my governor and the president of the Board
of Supervisor down there, do I need to lobby Kiffin?
Do I need the lobby Kiffin?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
And they said no, we think we got it.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
But we'll call you in if necessary. It's a good
choice for him. LSU, as you know, is a premiere program.
We should be in the national championship every year.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I used to think Speaker of the House is the
most stressful job in the world, but it's really sec
football coach. You know that you gotta win every Saturday.
Every Saturday it's on the line. So best wishes to him.
It's going to be great in co Tigers.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
We've got uh let's come back to the Tennessee seventh
there and I know we had you on last week,
Matt van Apps. Can you tell everybody out there give
us a rough idea of the communities in this district,
because again a lot of people may not know and
Republicans have to battle Democrats who are gonna show up
no matter what the race is. They show up in
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these special elections and big numbers. We've got to make
sure our people know about this race tomorrow and also
know if they're in the district.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
And so we've got we've got fourteen counties and it stretches.
We've got downtown Nashville. I love Nashville, by the way.
I love country music and you know it. And it
stretches up to where Fort Campbell is Clarksville. I lived
in our skill for five years when I served in
the one sixties Special Operations Aviation Regiment. Montgomery County is
a great county. We've got part of Williamson down to
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Franklin and then our western border Benton Indicator, Stuart, Montgomery,
and Robertson. On the north, we have Houston, Humphreys, Perry
and Wayne, Hickman, Dixon, Cheatham, and it's just a bunch
of amazing locations. We you know, we've got great rural
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farmers are so important to us. We're just leaving an
event in Robertson County. We're going to one in Cheatham
County and that will be top of our list. Hardworking families,
military veterans, folks that are active duty National Guard, law enforcement,
just amazing communities across our fourteen counties, and we're gonna
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be working hard every single day for every one of
those communities.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
What is the craziest stuff that people should know in
your district about your opponent? Afton? I know you have
a lot to draw on here. Some of the quotes
alone are particularly memorable, that's one thing you could say.
But in terms of positions, in terms of what she represents,
if you were to give me a top three Afton
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bane hit list, what would be on it? Because it's
pretty extraordinary from what I can just pull off the
top of my head.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Well, in the you know, I alluded to the fact that,
you know, she's saying that she hates Nashville, the you know,
part of the district that she wants to represent. But
it goes much further than that. She wants to defund
the police. There's a whole anti law enforcement bucket. She
wants to defund the police. She wants to abolish prisons.
She was out as a sitting state legislator filming herself
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bullying and harassing ice in the Tennessee Highway Patrol which
is just unbelievable. It's disqualifying. So there's a whole bucket there.
She wants transgender surgery for minors without parental consent, believes
that men can get pregnant, and just just you know, crazy.
And I think the other piece too is she wants
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to new and hire taxes to fund her socialist agenda
that will skyrocket our cost of living. They're just policies
that are not good and don't make sense for the
Tennessee seventh Congressional district. They don't make sense for Tennessee
or America.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Do you have a sense You mentioned that I don't
know how good a data you guys get on who's
turning out. For instance, you can join me tomorrow and
go vote on election day. Do you have a sense
on how the numbers look on the early voting? You
mentioned that you feel confident. What kind of data do
you have out there? Obviously we want everybody showing up
on election day in huge numbers, making sure this crazy
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chick Afton Bain isn't elected in Tennessee seven. But what
kind of data have you seen on early turnouts so far?
Do you have access to that info?
Speaker 6 (10:51):
We do, We've got some some polling data and we're up,
but we want to be up by a lot. And
that's what happens when people put on the jersey, get
on the field tomorrow and go and vote and we'll
win decisively. When when that happens. We had we had
a really good early voting outcome and that's great, but
we want to leave nothing to chance. We want every
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single person to get out tomorrow and vote if they
haven't voted again. Our website's Matt fortn dot com. For
more information, Matt fo r TN dot com. They can
find out their polling location. The times the polls will
be open most are seven am to seven pm, but
that varies in a few locations. And you know, we
just need we need fights, folks to fight through the
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any cold or weather tomorrow because every single vote matters
in this and it's for the direction of our country
and so we need every vote and folks to be safe,
have a plan, get out there and vote.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
As I'm watching Bock, MSNBC is leading with this race.
They're telling their people to go out and vote if
they're watching MSNBC. CNN has been talking about it a
ton buck anything else do you want to hit the
duo with.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Well, I just hope that you guys pull home, bring
home rather the w because this is an important one
and I don't want to see anything but tears among
the MSNB. I'm sorry, ms now commentariot. So it's all
in your hands, gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Well, no pressure, right, But the peril of a special election,
especially in a deep red district like this, is that
everybody just assumes that a Republican like Matt is going
to win, but it is not guaranteed. You have to
get out and vote. We're expecting a little inclement weather
here tomorrow. It may be cold, maybe rainy, I don't know, sleet,
but you've got to go out and do that patriotic
duty to ensure that we keep this majority in the House.
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We can keep moving the Trumpet agenda and the America
First agenda forward. So thanks to everybody. The former member
here was Mark Green's who if you lived in mart
Green's congressional district, we need you out tomorrow and we're
counting on you.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
I'll be there, Congressman hopefully tomorrow will be celebrating that.
And Speaker Mike Johnson, we appreciate the time. Good luck
with Lane Kiffin for all the Louisiana's out there listening
to us.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
No Tigers appreciate you guys, Thanks for all the help.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Thank you.
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis bought Sexton Show. You just
heard from Speaker of the House Mike Johnson and Tennessee
seventh Congressional District candidate Matt Van Epps about the fact
that they are are right now campaigning all over the
Tennessee seventh district. You just heard where that race is
taking place, and the fact that frankly Democrats are trying
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to steal this race. President Trump called in earlier today
to their rally, and over the weekend, President Trump was
asked Buck whether he stood by calling Minnesota Governor Tim
Walls retarded. And this is cut three.
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Americans do find an offensive word, retarded.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Do you stand by that claim of Callington Walls retarded? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (15:40):
I think there's something wrong with him, Absolutely sure. You
don't think that you have a problem with you know what.
I think there's something wrong with him. Anybody that would
do what he did, anybody that would allow those people
into his state and pay billions of vallas out to Samadiet.
We give billions of valas to submod It's not even
a country because it doesn't function like a country. It's
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got a name, but it doesn't function like a country. Yeah,
there's something wrong with Wills.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
So this has turned into a big story, and even
the New York Times I was reading over the weekend,
Buck has decided that it's impossible to actually avoid this story. Now,
there have been billions of dollars in fraud perpetrated by
Somalian immigrants on the state of Minnesota and also the
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federal government. Since a lot of the money that Minnesota
is using for healthcare goes through the state of Minnesota.
It's being provided by taxpayers all over the country, and
it's leading to a conversation, which I think is a
worthy one of wait, what in the world is going
on that suddenly Minneapolis has this big of a Somalian population,
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and is this actually benefiting the people of Minnesota to
have this population which is engaging in massive acts of fraud.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Well, yes, and it's also a population that in many
cases came here under a refugee status because Somalia is Look,
I'll just tell you one of the conversations that we
used to have regularly with particularly like long time serving
Special Operations guys CIA, guys who have been in for
a long time, is what is the worst country you've
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ever been to? This is a conversation that comes up
in intel community, in the military. Somalia is always top three.
I mean for a lot of people, it's the single
worst country in the world just in terms of lack
of governance, violence, infrastructure, just to give you go down
the list. And now we have at some level imported
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a series of habits, a culture, a approach by bringing in
so many Somalis into one place.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
We'll talk about this more when we come back, because
I think it's a part of a bigger conversation coming
out of what was a thanksgiving message from President Trump.
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Speaker 1 (18:57):
Right, welcome back in here to clan Buck. This is
a really interesting story and it's gotten a lot of
attention because not just the immigration implications of it all,
but also because Tim Walls, who President Trump just doubled
down on calling retarded. That is what the President called him,
(19:18):
just saying that Tim Walls was what a shock, asleep
at the a sleep at the wheel, or actually maybe
even worse than that, complicit with his inaction when he
was governor of Minnesota. This guy's a buffoon. And Minnesota
has unfortunately been going in a very bad direction as
(19:38):
a state for a long time. Now. It's getting more
and more left wing, more and more radical, and a
part of that radicalization is the Somali community, which is
now approaching one hundred thousand people in Minneapolis. Minnesota is
not that big as a state, so that's a pretty
considerable voting block. And what we have here, mister Clay
(20:00):
times peace, how fraud swamped Minnesota's social services system on
Tim Walls's watch. This was just published a couple of
days ago, over the weekend, and the fraud is staggering
in its scope, over a billion dollars in taxpayer money.
(20:23):
Scores of people involved, almost all of them Somali, and
some are naturalized, some are born here, but all from
the Somali community in Minnesota. And they were doing things
like setting up fraudulent companies and saying that they that
were feeding It was a lot of it was charity.
(20:44):
They're sort of bilking the system by pretending to be
running charities feeding hungry children. They pretended to feed hungry
children so they could buy houses and cars and things
like that. Just the most egregious fraud, most egregious thing
from the government. It's a whole scheme played the detail
where another Somali in this case a doctor, was having
(21:08):
parents claim that their kids were autistic and getting kickbacks
from that. I mean, just whatever they could do to
steal from the system they were doing. They were doing
it ruthlessly, remorselessly, continuously. In some individual cases. You're talking
about just tens of millions of dollars, And people are
(21:28):
asking a lot of questions, like, first of all, how
is it clayed that the state of Minnesota could have
this happen and not figure it out sooner. Part of it,
I think is that the Somali community there is an
important voting block now for Democrats. And there's also this
oh anything that you're going like, you can't prosecute all
(21:49):
the fraud in the Somali community because it's racist, because
it's all Somali's doing the fraud. That's another thing that
comes up here. It's a mess. And you know Tim
Walls was the VP candidate for Democrats the last go round.
I don't think he's going to be the VP this
time around. I can tell you that.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
Well.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
I think the biggest thing to me that stands out
is if the government's being defrauded by billions of dollars
and doesn't have any idea it's going on, we're failing,
I mean the government. And again this is not going
to shock people, but the healthcare in this country is
such a corrupt mess that this is likely not the
(22:30):
only fraud that is going on anywhere near its size,
probably happening all over the place. But this idea that
we have been told, and I do think it's a
real national debate that we should have this idea that
we've been told that all of these what is it,
fifty three million immigrants in the United States, I think
(22:51):
was the number that Trump had in his tweet that
fifty three million people who live in this country now
and I'm talking about legal, not illegal, that all of
them enrich this country in a substantial way and are
not a drain on resources, I think is just a lie.
And I believe in immigration. I believe in treating immigration.
(23:15):
The analogy that I would use is, I want the
lottery picks. I want the first round draft picks of
the world. I want the most brilliant, the most highly educated,
the smartest people of other countries. I think bringing them
here and allowing American ingenuity to combine with their hard
work and their meritocracy, that's a good thing for the country.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I buy into that.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
But the idea that we have low skilled, low wage
people from countries that don't have any sort of connection
at all, I think this is really what this about
buck Western civilization in general, that don't have any commitment
to shared civilizational aspects that have basically dragged us out
of a desolate his story into modern wealth and prominence.
(24:04):
If you're not embracing Western civilization, why should.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
We have you here?
Speaker 5 (24:09):
And I think that's a real question that's getting asked.
And I think the difference is people say, well, what
happened with Ellis Island and all those things. Most of
the people who came in through Ellis Island, they were
from Italy, they were from Germany, they were from Ireland.
They had a commitment to the ideals of Western civilization
in a way that a lot of the people were
(24:31):
bringing in today do not. In fact, many of them
reject Western civilization as a good thing.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
And also, thirty percent of the people who came through
Ellis Island went home because there was no welfare state,
because there was no office to go to where you
could say, hey, just start giving me my free stuff.
Where's my free housing, where's my free food and healthcare?
Where's all my free stuff? There was no office of
free stuff back then, And so some people realize that
it's actually really hard to make it in this country.
(24:59):
Yes there's opportunity, but opportunity comes with risk and cost.
And they went home. They went back to their country
of origin. At a time when the journey here was
our juice expensive and difficult, we don't have that anymore
because we've become the world soup kitchen, and effectively increasingly
we are like an economic zone for people who just
want to live at the expense of everybody else. And
(25:22):
that's a huge problem. And this is what has really
turned I think the mindset of the American people right now,
Clay against so much of this. Our generosity as a people,
as Americans has been exploited and mocked by the actions
of people who have come here claiming fake asylum in
(25:42):
huge numbers when they cross our border, illegally, scamming our
immigration system in every way possible, playing all these different
games to get access to resources, resources that are taken
from all of you and taken out of your paycheck.
If you are an American listening to this who pays
to time, which I know most of you are, that
(26:02):
money is taken from you and given to others, and
the scams need to stop. Other countries would not put
up with this at all. And we just have to
be at a place where we can have honest conversations like, Okay,
if we're gonna have a big problem with the Somali
community stealing from Americans, we need to look at how
many more Somalus you want in the American family through
(26:24):
our immigration system. This is just the way it has
to be.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
I just I look at it and say if you
are coming in and you are immediately going on welfare
and support, you shouldn't be admitted to this country. I mean,
it's actually a violation of immigrant that's an a violation
of immigration law Clay.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
It's just not enforced. You are not allowed to immigrate
to this country and become a public charge and get
any public benefits. But states like California and New York
they do it at the state level. They com mingle
federal funds. So it's a lot like the whole thing
is a lie. We're told, oh, don't worry, we won't
have people who are welfare cases coming here, tomes of
welfare cases. Fifty five percent of immigrant households get welfare.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Yeah, I mean that to me should be a non
starter on space and I'm sure most of you out
there listening are nodding along. We take care of people
as best we can who are citizens of this country,
but people who are not citizens of this country are
coming in and they are taking away benefits that would
otherwise be going to citizens. They're frankly, we're thirty eight
(27:26):
trillion dollars in debt. They are helping to run up
the national debt in a significant way. I just I
don't even look at this as a remotely partisan related question.
If you told me right now, I run a company. Hey,
if you're going to hire these people, they're gonna cost
you money and they're not gonna make you any money,
would you bring them into your company? My answer would
(27:49):
be no. I don't see this as a difficult call.
We should run the country like a company when it
comes to immigration. Are we bringing in people who are
net benefits to the country, that are going to be
huge job creators, that are going to be huge access
to this country. If the answer is yes, I want
them here, right, that's a meritocratic system.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
If we get the most.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Brilliant minds around the world and they want to come
here and create jobs and have better outcomes than they
could in their country, that's what we should be doing.
I mean, the intellectual first round draft picks of the world.
I want them here. But people who are going to steal,
and people who are going to be wards of the state,
and people with no substantial educational background and value, I
(28:34):
just I don't see in any way how this is
beneficial to the United States.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
And again I go.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Back to culture, the older I get buck the more
I'm convinced that culture determines everything. The culture that you create,
whether it's in your company, whether it's in your state,
whether it's in your country, dictates the outcome that you're
going to get. One of my favorite quotes from a
coach is we recruit our problem. United States is recruiting
(29:02):
our problems. If you go out and you bring in
people with bad culture and bad backgrounds, they're not going to.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Be net benefits to the country.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I mean, this is just very basic stuff for anybody
who's ever been involved in management at all. If you
bring in toxic employees, you create a toxic culture inside
of your company, inside of your workplace. If we're bringing
in toxicity, we're creating a more toxic environment than would
otherwise exist in the United States, particularly when it's not
committed to basic Western values of civilization that have propelled
(29:33):
us to the success that we have today.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
We actually have the opposite of what you're talking about,
which is we have a system where we take as
many people from the Third World, from poor countries, through
chain migration, through asylum scams, through all of this. That's
a huge portion of our immigration system, legal and illegal,
and one of the challenges that I think now the
(29:57):
country is willing to finally look at and be honest
about it. There are going to be some countries that
are predominantly non white countries where you're not going to
take a lot of immigrants because the objective criteria that
you have set for immigrants will not be met by
people from those countries. And that has not been the
case in America for a long time. We've been taking
(30:19):
whatever bring us your war torn, your impoverished, your illiterate,
and your culturally backwards. That has become the American immigration
policy de facto for decades.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Now, and the consequences are becoming clear. And I think
President Trump saying, hey, let's pause. And this is not
new this you know, if you're a student of history.
One hundred years ago, people said, hey, I think we've
had too much immigration in the United States. We need
to pause and allow what's already happened to occur, to
allow that sort of melting pot to occur. The problem is, again,
(30:55):
I come back to culture. If you don't have similar
cultural values to someone else and you try to come
to this country, you're going to import the culture of
the Third world asposed to the culture of Western civilization.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
And I don't think that's good.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
I mean, I'm sorry, I just I look around that
I say, you know, I think one of the great
lies that many of us were taught was diversity is
our strength. I actually don't think diversity is a strength.
Diversity of thought can be a strength if you apply it,
and the best ideas win, but just diversity itself as
somehow a positive outcome or goal. Diversity of thought is
(31:33):
the only diversity that matters. There's also zero historical precedent
or basis to.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Believe that having a huge number of people in a
country not from that country, speaking three hundred different languages,
of all different religions, of all different you know, political
belief systems is going to result in a cohesive nation state. Yeah,
over the long run. Zero, there's just zero. In fact,
there's a lot of evidence. All the historical evidence is
(32:01):
in the other director doesn't work, which is it doesn't work.
This is not a good idea. So now we're starting
to have to face up to this as a country.
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(33:59):
in all honesty, Buck, was it? Did you have a
moment where you You've been to a lot of Thanksgivings
in your life, this is the first one you've been
to where you actually had a son, a family, a
baby of your own. Did it feel different to be
a dad at Thanksgiving than it did to be a son?
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Oh yeah, I got to wear I got to wear
drawstring sweatpants without thinking twice about it, put on my
new balances. This guy, though, I think, oh there, he
is always making a noise he's starting to look a
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He put on five pounds. I'm a little I'm a
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(35:37):
variety of topics, and again we come back to the
top of the next hour, we'll dive into the Thanksgiving
weekend that was and the upcoming seventh Congressional district race
as well buck as Venezuela, Ukraine and Russia. But and
I don't know about you, I've got a big, big
(35:58):
evening plans here. I'm watching Stranger Things season five.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
It's out.
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I don't know what percentage of our audience out there
has kids. Wife has already got the meal set up.
Boys are excited. So when this guy gets a little
bit older, I bet he's gonna like Stranger Things like
most young kids have all over the country, throwback to.
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The nineteen eighties. He's very impressed with the lane Kiffin contract,
by the way, told me over the weekend.
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By the way, yeah, your wife a graduate of the
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