June 11, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show podcast focuses heavily on a mix of criminal justice analysis, race and media narratives, listener engagement, and breaking geopolitical developments involving Iran, making this hour a fast-moving and politically charged segment. Emphasizing that this is Hour 2 of the program, the discussion builds around a major interview, followed by live reaction to unfolding international news and audience participation.
The hour begins with an extended interview with Turning Point USA reporter Savanah Hernandez, who covered the Karmelo Anthony murder trial, which resulted in a guilty verdict and a 35-year prison sentence. Hernandez provides detailed firsthand reporting on the courtroom environment, strict security measures, and intense public interest, noting that access to the trial was limited and highly competitive, with spectators lining up early each day. The hosts highlight how the case became a nationally discussed story, not only because of the crime itself but also due to the public reaction and broader cultural implications.
A central theme throughout Hour 2 is the behavior and messaging of Anthony’s supporters outside the courthouse, who were described as highly vocal and, at times, confrontational. The conversation centers on reports of hostility toward journalists and opposing demonstrators, with the hosts framing these interactions as part of a larger issue involving media distrust, activism, and racial narratives in high-profile legal cases. According to the discussion, many supporters appeared less focused on trial evidence and more on identity-based arguments, which the hosts argue contributed to a distorted public understanding of the case.
The show also dives into political reactions, particularly criticism of comments from a member of Congress who framed the case in racial terms and questioned aspects of the prosecution. Buck strongly disputes that interpretation, arguing that the case was factually straightforward and supported by witness testimony, including accounts that contradicted claims of self-defense. This segment reflects a broader focus in Hour 2 of the program on political polarization, public narratives of justice, and media framing, with the hosts expressing concern about what they see as attempts to reinterpret clear-cut legal outcomes through ideological lenses.
Another major component of this hour is the emphasis on the victim and family impact, with discussion of emotional testimony and the long-term consequences of the crime for those affected. The hosts highlight the emotional weight of victim impact statements and contrast that with what they describe as a lack of accountability from some public supporters of the defendant. The conversation also touches on online fundraising and public support efforts tied to defendants, raising questions about how high-profile cases influence public behavior and financial backing.
As Hour 2 continues, the show transitions into listener calls and audience interaction, expanding on themes of court transparency, media coverage, and public trust in the justice system. One discussion point centers on why the trial was not televised, prompting an explanation of legal differences between state and federal courts and concerns about maintaining fair trial conditions. Callers contribute perspectives on race, justice, and media coverage, reinforcing the program’s interactive format and the diversity of opinions among listeners.
The latter half of Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show shifts significantly toward breaking news on U.S.–Iran relations and military activity. Buck provides real-time commentary on President Donald Trump’s announcement that additional military strikes on Iran were initially planned but then suddenly canceled amid reports of a diplomatic breakthrough. The show captures the fluid nature of the situation, with updates coming in live as negotiations appear to reach a critical stage.
This segment focuses on foreign policy, national security, and Middle East geopolitics, with Buck analyzing the implications of a potential agreement involving multiple regional and global actors. He underscores that while the reported deal could represent a major strategic success, its true impact will depend on whether it includes clear enforcement mechanisms and verifiable limits on Iran’s capabilities. The discussion reflects skepticism about long-term outcomes, with concerns raised about whether Iran will adhere to any agreement and whether the deal could simply delay future conflict.
Listener calls in the final portion of the hour continue the foreign policy discussion, with callers expressing doubts about Iran’s willingness to comply with agreements, the stability of its leadership, and the likelihood of lasting peace. Buck reiterates that while a deal could be significant, it must be judged base
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour play and Buck kicks off. Now we're joined
by Savannah Hernandez, turning Point USA front Lines reporter. She
was covering the trial of Carmelo Anthony, which we know
ended with a guilty a guilty verdict and a thirty
five year prison sentence for Anthony.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Savannah, thanks for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Tell us were you there, you know, give us the
full scope before we get into some of the aftermath here,
you were there each day? What was it like, you know,
inside outside the courtroom? Some of those atmospherics of your reporting.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Sure, So getting inside of the courthouse was in itself
extremely difficult because the judge in this case really put
a lot of security protocols in place to try to
keep this you know, trial as secure as possible. So
I was able to go inside for jury selection and
that's when I saw you first look at Carmelo Anthony.
(01:02):
And the jury selection process was really interesting in itself
because the way that it worked is the courtroom itself
was sectioned off for friends, family, and then just six
members of the media. But then there was a separate
room where the actual jury selection and then the trial
was being live streamed to and then people could line
(01:23):
up every single day, you know, members of the public,
and there were twenty seven spots for that room. However,
people were lining up as early as three am to
try and get into this trial.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
The judge one of the securities protocols that he had
put in place was that there was a curfew on
courthouse grounds, so nobody could be at the courthouse from
eleven PM to six am, but people would line up
on the public sidewalk as early as three o'clock in
the morning to try to get a spot in line
for this alternate you know, room that was open to
(01:56):
the public, so very competitive to actually even try to
get into the house at all. However, again, all of
the action on my end was outside because you did
have groups of Carmelo Anthony supporters that were there every
single day. I got there last Monday, and I wanted
to be there for the jury selection process, and the
(02:17):
Carmelo supporters were there since day one of this trial.
On top of that, I noticed as well that people
began donating to Carmelo Anthony's gifts and go as well
as soon as the trials started last week. So that
was a little bit of what the actual scene was
like being on the ground. Like I said, I was
(02:38):
able to get into the courthouse for jury selection, saw
that first spoke of Carmelo Anthony, who again, you know,
as everybody has seen now that his booking photos have
been released, he didn't shave his head. He had a
very youthful look. Youthful appearance. One of the things that
his attorney was trying to do since the start of
this case and during jury selection was referred to Carmelo
Anthony as low as a way to you know, again,
(03:02):
this is my opinion, try to bolster that very youthful appearance,
that youthful look, and then this youthful vibe surrounding Carmelo.
So again, that was kind of just what it was
like being on the ground there.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
What were to tell me about some of the because
the videos have gone and I think some of them
are even your videos have gone very viral online of
the Carmelo Anthony supporters outside saying some pretty uh jaw dropping,
eyebrow raising things, especially after the verdict was announced. What
(03:39):
percentage of them would you say were black? What were
some of the things that were you know, what was
that like? Were they squaring off with supporters of Austin
Metcalf's family. I mean, take us to some of the
the melee outside the courthouse day to day and particularly
after the verdict was announced.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Sure, so, I unfortunately was not on the ground for
the actual verdict. I had a legal meeting that I
had to be at for my Minneapolis case. However, I
was there the entire week prior, and again we did
see the footage that came out as the verdict was read.
When the verdict first came out, and it's exactly what
I was expecting. Now, the week before, these Carmelo Anthony
(04:22):
supporters were extremely aggressive. I had gone up to them
last week on Monday or Tuesday when I had first
gotten there, and I basically just wanted to ask them
very basic questions, why are you here, Why is it's
important to you? You know, what are your thoughts on
this trial? And they were extremely aggressive, and at first
I thought, Okay, maybe they know that I worked for
(04:42):
Turning Point USA and they feel like that isn't a
friendly media organization. However, as you know, the national media
started showing up. They had this exact same reaction to everybody,
and there was a local reporter there who had tapped
on the shoulder of one of the leaders who was
leading the chance such as, as you know, our black
youth deserve protection to All of them were wearing we
(05:04):
decree Carmelo Anthony will be free shirts, and they were
there chanting about how Carmelo Anthony was, without a doubt innocent.
They were not following the trial, they were not following
the facts of this case. They were there every single
day simply to declare that Carmelo Anthony was innocent, and
anybody in the media who tried to speak with them
was met with a lot of aggression. So going back
(05:25):
to this local reporter, he tapped on the shoulder of
one of the leaders of this group to simply try
to get his name for the story that he was writing,
and this Carmelo supporter acted like this guy tried to
punch him in the face, and a mob quickly formed
around him and others had to hold this leader back.
So this is one of the most aggressive groups I
have ever encountered. I've covered protests for years, and this
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is one of the most aggressive. They would not let
any media speak to them anytime anyone went over simply
to again get the name of their group. Their organization
asked them a simple question. It was very aggressive. And
then you did have Metalf supporters that were showing up
last week simply to wave American flags, and they were
met with some of the most heinous racial flurs that
(06:12):
I have ever heard. And again going back to that aggression,
it was quotes such as, you're going to be pushing
up daisies, just like Metcalf. If I was close enough
to you, I would push you into the grave. And
these were simply people that were there to support Austin
Metcalf and his family. So that was again the week
before the actual verdict was read, and then I did
(06:35):
have friends that were on the ground for the verdicts
being read. They state that again there was a large
group that was there. However, it was a few key actors,
all of them yes African American, who were very vocal,
very aggressive, very angry about this guilty verdict. But again
this was not surprising at all to me based on
what I had seen last week in terms of these
(06:56):
supporters really not caring to follow the trial and trying
their hardest to make this about race, when in reality,
it was about Carmelo Anthony murdering often that Calf. Again,
nobody on the witness stand brought forward race or how
this was, you know, anything that was tied to race
or racism at all. However, for some reason, multiple black
(07:19):
activists tried their hardest to make this a racially divisive
story and tried to highlight how this entire trial was
somehow tied to white supremacy and racism.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Well, you might might have heard or seen Savannah that
remember of Congress Jasmine Crockett, this is cut twenty sixteen.
She well, you just got to hear this. Actually, I
wanted to have you react to it played twenty six
thirty five.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Years for a kid who had decided to go at
under a tint that was not his team's tint as
it was raining, and simply didn't want to be put
out in the rain by some random kid that he
didn't know who was larger than him. Listen, a lot
of people don't know what it is to live as
a black person in this country. But just like you
can give the benefit of the doubts to so many
(08:04):
police officers when they go out and they shoot some black,
unarmed person, even.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Though they are trained.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
The fact that there was little to no mercy seeing
or humanity scene when this black boys say that.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
I was scared.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
People don't know what it's like to live as a
black person in this country. She says, Everyone, including eyewitnesses
who were black, agreed that Carmelo Anthony just dared someone
to try to actually put a hand on him to
move him from the tent, and then stab the kid
in the.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Heart exactly book, and again, what the defense tried to
argue was labeled as disastrous by you know, multiple people,
by many media members of the media.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
The defense had no defense quite frankly, of Carmelo Anthony,
and even the witnesses that they called board stated that
Carmelo Anthony was in the wrong and that he provoked
all of this. So again, you know, Jasmine Crocket coming
forward and trying to frame Carmelo Anthony as the victim,
and this situation is quite frankly disgusting. She also went
on her podcast and stated that she wasn't sure if
(09:09):
the nice that Carmelo Anthony used could be labeled as
a quote deadly weapon.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
We actually here, since you mentioned it, we have that
play twenty nine guys.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Was it a switch?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I don't know what it was like.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
It seemed like it was a multi tool almost like
a Swiss arms ye, like with the little scissors and
everything and whatever. So it was small. Well, I would
argue the size of it alone, you wouldn't even think it's.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
A daily wading.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
She thinks that the weapon used to kill someone is
not a deadly weapon. I think that's actually saveda in
many ways, kind of a perfect encapsulation of Jasmine Crocket's
legal thinking and capabilities.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Exactly. And it's so frustrating too, because we have such
a strong victim mentality in this country that you have
a cut and dry case of murder and the jury
was able to deliberate on this in mere hours. This
trial actually happened very quickly. Let's not forget that it
really started last Thursday, and then from you know, Thursday
to Tuesday, the jury saw everything that they needed to
(10:11):
and they were able to come to this guilty verdict
very quickly because again, like you just said, Buck, even
you know, black teammates, black people who were there that
day stated that Carmelo Anthony was in the wrong in
this case. So for a sitting congresswoman, thank goodness that
she's not going to be re elected and we won't
have to deal with her in Texas anymore. But for
a sitting congresswoman to try to make this a racial
(10:33):
thing instead of just saying, you know what, looking at
the facts of this case, this was a murder and
this was wrong. It's really disheartening to see that this
is the type of rhetoric that is coming out of
some subsets of the black community. And I actually did
interview a woman who was there in support of Carmelo.
She went viral as well after the verdict was read
off because she was basically saying, I have five kids,
(10:54):
what am I supposed to tell them now? I had
interviewed her the week prior and I asked, if evidence
comes out showed that Carmelo Anthony is guilty of murder
and that he was not acting in self defense, is
the black community going to accept that? And she said, no,
We're going to stand with ours regardless. So I don't
even know how to begin to understand this mindset of
we are going to stand by our own whether or
(11:17):
not they murdered somebody in cold blood. But it's a
real problem in this country.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I'm wondering how many people were outside the courthouse, just
roughly speaking, when you were covering this, and did you
see any vocal non black Carmelo Anthony supporters outside the courthouse?
Speaker 4 (11:37):
When I was out.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
There, I want to say there was thirty two forty
five for the day that the verdict is read off.
I know that there was, you know, a much larger
group than that, but when I was there, Nope, they
were all black supporters of Carmelo Anthony. And again, they
were very much trying to make this a racial thing.
This was very much we're not going to look at
the facts of the case. We are solely here because
(11:59):
he is the same color as us, and therefore he
is innocent because he's another black American, completely ignoring the
facts of the case, Completely ignoring the fact that an
entire family lost their son. They've been going through this
and also too, you know, one of the things that
was kind of overlooked was the victim impact statements.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
You had Austin Metcast's mother, father, and his twin brother
Hunter basically talk about how much they have been grieving.
Austin Metcast's father stating that he has been filled with rage,
telling Carmelo that he failed his own family, He failed himself,
he failed society as a whole. Austin's mother coming forward
and stating that Carmelo got out of this easy because
(12:38):
he got thirty five years, but she's been sentenced to
a life without her son, and then Hunter simply asking
Carmelo to look at him in the eye when he
gave his testimony. Carmelo was unable to make eye contact
with any of them. So it's really sad to see
how this entire situation played out. Let's not forget as well,
that Carmelo's own family utilized this tragedy to fundraise and
(12:59):
they were able to raised six hundred and twenty five
thousand dollars on behalf of Carmelo's quote defense fund, but
again that went toward putting them in a home that
was almost a million dollars. Initially, Carmelo was held on
a one million dollar bond, but they pled to a
judge that they were in financial straits and they couldn't
make bond, and they asked for that judge to lower
(13:21):
the bond to two hundred and fifty thousand, which the
judge ended up doing and he was out on bond.
The entirety of you know the lead up to this trial.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You know, Savannah, honestly looking at some of those videos
and I know you're saying that the people you interviewed,
and now I can say because you were there. All
of the supporters of Carmelo Anthony at the courthouse at
least were black, and from what some of them have said,
I do actually do not believe that they think that
he is innocent.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I think they know what he did.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I think that the attitude of some of the people
a courthouse was the white boy got what was coming
to him, which is a different thing. I don't think
that they think that Carmelo Anthony was innocent. I think
they're like, oh, you know, we got one on the
other side here, we managed to take. There was way
too much dismissing of the actual evidence in the case.
I think that there are some people out there who
(14:11):
have so much animus that they were they felt that,
like I said, that then the white kid got what
was coming to him here, and that was their attitude.
It's not that, oh, Carmelo Anthony actually was acting to
defend himself, because there's no there. As you said, there
was no self defense case to be made here. Otherwise
I've told everybody, if somebody bumped you, you know, in
the subway, you could say they assaulted me, so I
(14:33):
had to pull out a gun and shoot them. I mean,
there has to be a reasonable standard. Thank you for
the reporting you've done on this, Savannah and Savann Hernett.
Is everybody TPUSA and let us know how your trial.
I know this is this is from we got to
go to a break here, but this is from up
in Minnesota where you were assaulted by anti ice lunatics.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Right, yep.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
They've all filed restraining orders on me. So I now
have to go back to Minneapolis to go fight those
So I'll stay on that case.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
There, all right, Keep us, keep us in the loops.
Thank you so much.
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Kyle in Ohio wants to react to Savannah Hernandez telling
us about the coverage of her coverage of the Carmelo
Anthony trial.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
What's up, Kyle?
Speaker 9 (16:15):
How you're doing?
Speaker 10 (16:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (16:16):
I just you know, in some of these cases, especially
the racially charged ones, I don't understand why you know,
in a court of your peers, why the rest of
the peers, why you can't have this thing videotaped and
have it out for everybody to see the whole trial,
so that people can see that there's black men and
(16:37):
black kids, you know, testifying against another black kid, and
then instead of the black community that's already made up
their mind that this kid's innocent, you know, yeah, then.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Just take it from Kyle.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
It's a very I just want to answer what you're saying,
so thank you for calling in. It's a very good question.
And it varies a lot. Federal courts have pretty strict
bands against like broadcasting that they don't allow camera I mean,
they don't allow like video camera streaming that kind of
thing of proceedings, and and in state court there's a
(17:14):
little bit more flexibility. So this was a state court case.
But if the judge feels like there are identities that
need to be a little bit protected. For example, there
were miners who were testifying in this case, he can
say no meet, no media, you know, cameras going no,
no broadcasting is what I mean to say.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Of the trial.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And also there's always this concern that the trial could
become a media spectacle that actually influences the feelings of
the jurors and of and maybe even the lawyers are
going to start to play to the cameras more and
things like that.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
But you know, it's an it's an argument.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I got to tell you, there's both sides to it, Kyle,
So I hear you on that. Sometimes I think it
would be better if we had a real clear video record.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Of exactly what was presented.
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President Trump.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
He's poised as of this morning for big, beautiful strikes
all over around, the biggest strikes. We're gonna kick their butts,
all that stuff. He has canceled those strikes as of now,
breaking news. Different news outlets are currently reporting on this.
So Trump has canceled the new strikes. So we had
(19:22):
some strikes going on, and we were told there's gonna
be a lot more, and now there's not going to
be a lot more. This was from this just so
you kind of know the context. This is from Trump
this morning. This is cut for player.
Speaker 10 (19:39):
There will be more bombing tonight. It'll be a bigger, bigger,
more powerful. Don't forget we've knocked out all of their
anti aircraft. They don't have any anti they have nothing.
I mean, they may get lucky with the shoulder weapon
or something. But for the most part, you know, they
have no defense. They have finished, but the papers, the
media refuses to they have finished. We can walk in
(20:02):
there tomorrow. We could take soldiers. I don't want to
have boots on the ground, but if I wanted to,
we could put a small group of soldiers and take
over the whole place.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Okay, So let's unpack this a little bit together. President
Trump here says that the that the Iranians are finished,
and that their air force and their navy and anti
air defense notably are essentially gone, have been taken out.
And so I think the next fair and necessary question is, Okay,
(20:37):
they must know that too, So why is there no deal?
So I will sit here and say to you, I
have just said out loud what President Trump says he
wants the media to say, which is that we have
completely obliterated a lot of aspects of their military, have
total dominance over their skies, can hit them basically anywhere
(20:58):
we want to in the country. All of that is
absolutely true. Why don't we have a deal yet?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Like, if we're just going to be intellectually honest about
this for a minute, and by the way. Maybe the
deal is going to be announced in the next the
next two days, the next two hours. I don't know,
but I know that I've been told for weeks now
they're about to sign, and they haven't signed. If somebody
let me, let me, let me take it back. Trump
(21:27):
would a or take it this direction. Trump would appreciate this.
I think himself as a real estate guy. If you
were selling, oh, here we go, here we go, I said, CNN,
the deal has been approved.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
This is now. We have this now, Okay, because I was.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
About to say, if you sold your house to somebody
and everything is agreed to and they won't sign at
the bottom of the page, there's clearly a problem saying
now that the deal. CNN is now reporting the deal
is approved by Iranian leaders. Okay, finally, it seems now
I can't I don't know exactly what's in the deal.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I want to see what the deal looks like.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
But this had been the missing the missing piece for
quite some time.
Speaker 10 (22:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
We were told the deal is in and that the
deal is gonna be done. It's gonna be done, it's
gonna be done. So now it makes sense that Trump
hit them last night and as of this morning was
going to be hitting them again, and it seems that
that pressure has resulted in something happening. This is in
real time, by the way, so I'm not checking to
(22:35):
see exactly because we were just told that the strikes
were on hold, and now we are just being told
that there is a deal.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Let me see.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I want to get more, guys, as we're getting more
information on this. Discussions and final points have been approved
by Iranian leaders. That is what CNN is reporting right now. Okay,
if this is in fact true, meaning the reporting is accurate,
(23:09):
I want to know what's in the deal. I'm going
to be honest with you about this deal. Here we go, Trump, Okay,
I was waiting for this one. So this is what happens.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Guys, this is all breaking in real time, so I'm
here with you. This is from President Trump just minutes ago.
I'll read it to you from his truth Social Based
on the fact that discussions with the Islamic Republic of
Iran have been brought to the highest levels of Iranian
leadership and approved, I have, as President of the United
States of America, canceled the scheduled strikes and bombings against Iran.
(23:42):
This evening. Discussions and final points have been in both
concept and great detail approved by all parties involved, including
the United States, Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Cutter, Turkey, Pakistan,
Bahrain and Kowait, Jordan, Egypt, and others. The naval blockade
will remain in full force and effect until this transaction
(24:06):
is finalized.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Time and place of the signing to be announced shortly.
Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Okay, this is now the closest clearly that we have
been to the deal.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
That's what I was like.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I was like, we could have a deal in two days,
two hours, let's see, And that was actually two minutes
about for us to get a deal. So this is
looking like it is. It is almost sign sealed and delivered.
I want to see what is in it because there
have been ongoing negotiations with all these different parties involved
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that that I'm sure involved plenty of horse trading, if
you will, And in that respect, we need to see
what has happened here. I will tell you that until
we know what has been agreed to, it's really hard
to know how much of a final victory this is
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against the Iranian nuclear program. I am hopeful that this
is going to end up being exactly what Donald Trump
has set out from the beginning, which is not only
an agreement to take steps. And remember, I'm setting out
this framework beforehand so that we can all be honest
with each other about how this is actually turning out
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an agreement to take steps that are both verifiable and
enforcible so that Iran cannot reconstitute parts of its nuclear
weapons program. Right, that's what really So what that doesn't mean,
and again I haven't seen the text of the deal,
(25:51):
no one has yet. What that doesn't mean is we're
going to spend the next ninety days figuring out what
the steps are. So we've agreed to that that is
an agreement to form an agreement that's like a committee
to talk about the committee that would not be And
now Trump has said all along he will not do that.
I want to see what he does here because we've
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also been hearing for weeks and weeks the deal is
about to happen.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
It's about to happen.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Now it seems like it's finally happening after quite a
bit of wrangling and delay. I hope it's a great
deal for America and a great deal for the region
because one, we've had quite an expenditure of military resources
on this. Two, the price of gas is a major
people can like it or not like it. It is
(26:38):
a major political liability right now in a midterm election
year if it were to stay this high. And three,
of course, I don't want us to be in a
situation where we've done this and then this has to
be done again in the future, or we realize the
hard way. You know, I can tell you right now.
If the deal is not a good deal, Iran would
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because of the oil revenue that it has, or that
it would have with the straight fully reopened Iran would
be able to reconstitute. It didn't have much of a
navy to begin with, my friends, and its air defense
is it will buy them from Russia, from China, from
North Korea, It'll restock missiles, it'll do all of those
things again if the regime states I will also note
(27:25):
regime change is not even a discussion anymore. That's not
even talked about, so that's off the table. The regime
is the regime. The new leadership is whoever we are
left with or whoever they're left with. After we took
out a lot of their leadership class with bomps or
missiles or combination of the two. So that has been
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this process up up to this point. I can tell
you that if after today we're told that they didn't
show up to the signing or they haven't agreed or something,
I'm going to.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Be pretty salty about that, because there's.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Only so many times I think we can be told,
we the American people, can be told it's done, it's done,
it's done, and it's not done.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
So again, I'm the.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
First one that's going to say, I hope that this
is fantastic and that President Trump has this all buttoned up.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And ready to go.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
And if he achieves with this what he has set
out to and what he seems very confident that he
not only will but maybe is in process of doing. Right,
it's not just he said this is the mission. It
seems like he has made a major step forward here
to achieving that mission. If he, if he were to
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take it to the steps, or take it to the
point where he says we are going, it would be
a master stroke of foreign policy and national security strategy.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
The likes of which we haven't seen since really the.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Fall of the Berlin Wall and Reagan and the defeat
of the Soviet Union. I mean, this would be this
would be region transforming for the Middle East. So I
am I am all about this. I'm like, it's like
Donald Trump is the Knicks here, and I'm a Knicks fan.
I want them to win, but the game has not
(29:14):
been decided yet. So that's just so you understand where
my psychology is on this. And if somebody says to me, well,
the Knicks have already won, buck, I'd say, well, no,
actually they haven't, Okay, so let's not and don't tell
me they've won until they win. Don't tell me that
Trump has this done until it is done. And that
includes seeing what the deal is with all these different
(29:36):
parties involved in this, because the Iranians are this is
what they. When I see the Iranians, I mean, I'm
not talking about like our Persian friends who live in
Los Angeles and are all rooting for a better country
for those who are left back home in Iran itself.
I'm saying the Iranian Mulla mollocracy, the IRGC, the Islamo
(29:57):
Security Apparatus that runs what is the nation of nation
of Iran This is what they prevaricate. They delay, they
talk out of both sides of their mouths. They lie,
they cheat, they steal, you know, whatever they got to do.
There's no ethics involved in this process. There's no honor
(30:17):
for them in the negotiation. They view this as all
zero some. They're trying to get the maximum for themselves
and hurt us as much as they possibly can without
suffering further punishment. Right, so let's see what this deal
actually looks like. But that was quite a turn about
from we're going to hit them again with massive strikes.
You know, Trump is saying that we're going to hear
where the signing is going to occur. There are a
(30:40):
few phases beyond that as well, because what you really
hope is that whoever's doing this signing is really calling
the shots in Iran. What happens if someone shows up
and signs this thing and then they end up taking
a dirt nap because somebody takes them out when they
go back home. Right, we don't even know, we haven't
even heard who the leader is going to be. It's
(31:02):
not going to be, as Clay calls him, little mo.
I don't think I don't know who it will be
probably their foreign minister or something will show up and
have the you know, the the scepter of authority of
the Iranian people, at least theoretically in his hand as
he does this. But this would be region defining and
stabilizing if in fact Trump gets to where he says
(31:25):
we're going. So, I, like I've been telling you all along,
I'm a Trump fan, I'm a Knicks fan.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I want victory. I want this to go the distance.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
But Trump still has to get it to game five
or game six here, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
We have to see the deal.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
We have to see what's in it, see what's signed,
and then how it's implemented. So this will be something
of a process, and I think we need to keep
keep an eye on all of that. So last night
I was having some drinks. If I'm gonna be honest,
I was having Perier with lime because I don't know,
I can't really handle booze like I used to.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I'm getting old.
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Speaker 1 (33:55):
Let's take some callers. Keith in South Carolina wants a chat.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
What's up?
Speaker 9 (33:59):
Keith?
Speaker 7 (34:01):
Hey, how are you doing? Thanks for taking the call? Buck, Yes, sir,
I wanted to say that I agree with you one
hundred percent about don't tell the American people there's a deal,
so there's a deal. Second, this is just kicking the
can down the road. For forty seven years, they've never
honored a deal with any country, They've never kept the deal,
(34:21):
And this is kicking the can down the road for
another president down the road to have to deal with
them again. You know, enough is enough, It's time that
it's to coman.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
He's got to go.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Thank you so much, Keith.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I would tell you, as a probability matter here, that's
where I've been all along, which is I do not
see the Iranians bending the knee fully and finally on
this in a way that this will not still be
a problem for future presidents.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
And I say that hoping that I'm wrong, but I
also I am not going.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
To be told that when this is done, or if
it's not done, you know what we're going to call
balls and strikes here on this one. All right, I've
I've been to this dance before with Iraq and with
other matters where people want to tell us one thing
when we all see another.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Let's see where Trump takes this. I hope.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I hope it's the Grand Slam that he has been
promising and assuring us is coming. But yeah, don't tell
me another time a deal is. If we don't have
like word in the next twenty four hours about where
the signing is and everything else, I'm gonna start to
get a little suspicious about some of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Jerry and Florida, what's going on? Jerry? Jerry and Florida
going once? I'm going twice.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
I'm here.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
There you go, Jerry, what's up? You got to talk fast?
Speaker 10 (35:40):
Now?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
We got a minute.
Speaker 9 (35:41):
Go.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
The IRGC or the Eamonte can surrender their billionaires. They
got money all over the place, probably gold bars everywhere.
They could just leave town. They don't care if Trump
nukes the whole place. They'll live a life of kings.
Speaker 10 (35:55):
They'll go to.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Yeah, I'm sure that Chicago and New York City would
welcome them and they could live like kings this so
why should they surrender? They don't care about the people.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Let's go with Brian. Thank you, Jerry. Brian in West Virginia.
What's up, Brian? We got forty seconds?
Speaker 11 (36:11):
Yeah he I used to train with Iranians back during
the Shaw days.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
And the Navy.
Speaker 11 (36:16):
And what I've learned by by the people of the
Persians that I knew back then in the day is
that their entire culture is based on pride and losing face.
So it's an insubordinate would cause a subordinate to lose face.
They were eliminated and until we remove this regime, it
will never change. And American people have to realize this.
(36:38):
I mean, I know the people that were killed because
they failed our courses in the Navy, and yeah, it'll
never change.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Until yeah, they're tough, tough and stubborn enemy. Thanks for
being with us. Ryan Gerdusky coming up in a minute.
We'll talk LA Mayor's race and more.
Second hour play and Buck kicks off. Now we're joined
by Savannah Hernandez, turning Point USA front Lines reporter. She
was covering the trial of Carmelo Anthony, which we know
ended with a guilty a guilty verdict and a thirty
five year prison sentence for Anthony.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Savannah, thanks for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Tell us were you there, you know, give us the
full scope before we get into some of the aftermath here,
you were there each day? What was it like, you know,
inside outside the courtroom? Some of those atmospherics of your reporting.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Sure, So getting inside of the courthouse was in itself
extremely difficult because the judge in this case really put
a lot of security protocols in place to try to
keep this you know, trial as secure as possible. So
I was able to go inside for jury selection and
that's when I saw you first look at Carmelo Anthony.
(01:02):
And the jury selection process was really interesting in itself
because the way that it worked is the courtroom itself
was sectioned off for friends, family, and then just six
members of the media. But then there was a separate
room where the actual jury selection and then the trial
was being live streamed to and then people could line
(01:23):
up every single day, you know, members of the public,
and there were twenty seven spots for that room. However,
people were lining up as early as three am to
try and get into this trial.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
The judge one of the securities protocols that he had
put in place was that there was a curfew on
courthouse grounds, so nobody could be at the courthouse from
eleven PM to six am, but people would line up
on the public sidewalk as early as three o'clock in
the morning to try to get a spot in line
for this alternate you know, room that was open to
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the public, so very competitive to actually even try to
get into the house at all. However, again, all of
the action on my end was outside because you did
have groups of Carmelo Anthony supporters that were there every
single day. I got there last Monday, and I wanted
to be there for the jury selection process, and the
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Carmelo supporters were there since day one of this trial.
On top of that, I noticed as well that people
began donating to Carmelo Anthony's gifts and go as well
as soon as the trials started last week. So that
was a little bit of what the actual scene was
like being on the ground. Like I said, I was
(02:38):
able to get into the courthouse for jury selection, saw
that first spoke of Carmelo Anthony, who again, you know,
as everybody has seen now that his booking photos have
been released, he didn't shave his head. He had a
very youthful look. Youthful appearance. One of the things that
his attorney was trying to do since the start of
this case and during jury selection was referred to Carmelo
Anthony as low as a way to you know, again,
(03:02):
this is my opinion, try to bolster that very youthful appearance,
that youthful look, and then this youthful vibe surrounding Carmelo.
So again, that was kind of just what it was
like being on the ground there.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
What were to tell me about some of the because
the videos have gone and I think some of them
are even your videos have gone very viral online of
the Carmelo Anthony supporters outside saying some pretty uh jaw dropping,
eyebrow raising things, especially after the verdict was announced. What
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percentage of them would you say were black? What were
some of the things that were you know, what was
that like? Were they squaring off with supporters of Austin
Metcalf's family. I mean, take us to some of the
the melee outside the courthouse day to day and particularly
after the verdict was announced.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Sure, so, I unfortunately was not on the ground for
the actual verdict. I had a legal meeting that I
had to be at for my Minneapolis case. However, I
was there the entire week prior, and again we did
see the footage that came out as the verdict was read.
When the verdict first came out, and it's exactly what
I was expecting. Now, the week before, these Carmelo Anthony
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supporters were extremely aggressive. I had gone up to them
last week on Monday or Tuesday when I had first
gotten there, and I basically just wanted to ask them
very basic questions, why are you here, Why is it's
important to you? You know, what are your thoughts on
this trial? And they were extremely aggressive, and at first
I thought, Okay, maybe they know that I worked for
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Turning Point USA and they feel like that isn't a
friendly media organization. However, as you know, the national media
started showing up. They had this exact same reaction to everybody,
and there was a local reporter there who had tapped
on the shoulder of one of the leaders who was
leading the chance such as, as you know, our black
youth deserve protection to All of them were wearing we
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decree Carmelo Anthony will be free shirts, and they were
there chanting about how Carmelo Anthony was, without a doubt innocent.
They were not following the trial, they were not following
the facts of this case. They were there every single
day simply to declare that Carmelo Anthony was innocent, and
anybody in the media who tried to speak with them
was met with a lot of aggression. So going back
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to this local reporter, he tapped on the shoulder of
one of the leaders of this group to simply try
to get his name for the story that he was writing,
and this Carmelo supporter acted like this guy tried to
punch him in the face, and a mob quickly formed
around him and others had to hold this leader back.
So this is one of the most aggressive groups I
have ever encountered. I've covered protests for years, and this
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is one of the most aggressive. They would not let
any media speak to them anytime anyone went over simply
to again get the name of their group. Their organization
asked them a simple question. It was very aggressive. And
then you did have Metalf supporters that were showing up
last week simply to wave American flags, and they were
met with some of the most heinous racial flurs that
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I have ever heard. And again going back to that aggression,
it was quotes such as, you're going to be pushing
up daisies, just like Metcalf. If I was close enough
to you, I would push you into the grave. And
these were simply people that were there to support Austin
Metcalf and his family. So that was again the week
before the actual verdict was read, and then I did
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have friends that were on the ground for the verdicts
being read. They state that again there was a large
group that was there. However, it was a few key actors,
all of them yes African American, who were very vocal,
very aggressive, very angry about this guilty verdict. But again
this was not surprising at all to me based on
what I had seen last week in terms of these
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supporters really not caring to follow the trial and trying
their hardest to make this about race, when in reality,
it was about Carmelo Anthony murdering often that Calf. Again,
nobody on the witness stand brought forward race or how
this was, you know, anything that was tied to race
or racism at all. However, for some reason, multiple black
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activists tried their hardest to make this a racially divisive
story and tried to highlight how this entire trial was
somehow tied to white supremacy and racism.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Well, you might might have heard or seen Savannah that
remember of Congress Jasmine Crockett, this is cut twenty sixteen.
She well, you just got to hear this. Actually, I
wanted to have you react to it played twenty six
thirty five.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Years for a kid who had decided to go at
under a tint that was not his team's tint as
it was raining, and simply didn't want to be put
out in the rain by some random kid that he
didn't know who was larger than him. Listen, a lot
of people don't know what it is to live as
a black person in this country. But just like you
can give the benefit of the doubts to so many
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police officers when they go out and they shoot some black,
unarmed person, even.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Though they are trained.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
The fact that there was little to no mercy seeing
or humanity scene when this black boys say that.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
I was scared.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
People don't know what it's like to live as a
black person in this country. She says, Everyone, including eyewitnesses
who were black, agreed that Carmelo Anthony just dared someone
to try to actually put a hand on him to
move him from the tent, and then stab the kid
in the.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Heart exactly book, and again, what the defense tried to
argue was labeled as disastrous by you know, multiple people,
by many media members of the media.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
The defense had no defense quite frankly, of Carmelo Anthony,
and even the witnesses that they called board stated that
Carmelo Anthony was in the wrong and that he provoked
all of this. So again, you know, Jasmine Crocket coming
forward and trying to frame Carmelo Anthony as the victim,
and this situation is quite frankly disgusting. She also went
on her podcast and stated that she wasn't sure if
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the nice that Carmelo Anthony used could be labeled as
a quote deadly weapon.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
We actually here, since you mentioned it, we have that
play twenty nine guys.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Was it a switch?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I don't know what it was like.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
It seemed like it was a multi tool almost like
a Swiss arms ye, like with the little scissors and
everything and whatever. So it was small. Well, I would
argue the size of it alone, you wouldn't even think it's.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
A daily wading.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
She thinks that the weapon used to kill someone is
not a deadly weapon. I think that's actually saveda in
many ways, kind of a perfect encapsulation of Jasmine Crocket's
legal thinking and capabilities.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Exactly. And it's so frustrating too, because we have such
a strong victim mentality in this country that you have
a cut and dry case of murder and the jury
was able to deliberate on this in mere hours. This
trial actually happened very quickly. Let's not forget that it
really started last Thursday, and then from you know, Thursday
to Tuesday, the jury saw everything that they needed to
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and they were able to come to this guilty verdict
very quickly because again, like you just said, Buck, even
you know, black teammates, black people who were there that
day stated that Carmelo Anthony was in the wrong in
this case. So for a sitting congresswoman, thank goodness that
she's not going to be re elected and we won't
have to deal with her in Texas anymore. But for
a sitting congresswoman to try to make this a racial
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thing instead of just saying, you know what, looking at
the facts of this case, this was a murder and
this was wrong. It's really disheartening to see that this
is the type of rhetoric that is coming out of
some subsets of the black community. And I actually did
interview a woman who was there in support of Carmelo.
She went viral as well after the verdict was read
off because she was basically saying, I have five kids,
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what am I supposed to tell them now? I had
interviewed her the week prior and I asked, if evidence
comes out showed that Carmelo Anthony is guilty of murder
and that he was not acting in self defense, is
the black community going to accept that? And she said, no,
We're going to stand with ours regardless. So I don't
even know how to begin to understand this mindset of
we are going to stand by our own whether or
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not they murdered somebody in cold blood. But it's a
real problem in this country.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I'm wondering how many people were outside the courthouse, just
roughly speaking, when you were covering this, and did you
see any vocal non black Carmelo Anthony supporters outside the courthouse?
Speaker 4 (11:37):
When I was out.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
There, I want to say there was thirty two forty
five for the day that the verdict is read off.
I know that there was, you know, a much larger
group than that, but when I was there, Nope, they
were all black supporters of Carmelo Anthony. And again, they
were very much trying to make this a racial thing.
This was very much we're not going to look at
the facts of the case. We are solely here because
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he is the same color as us, and therefore he
is innocent because he's another black American, completely ignoring the
facts of the case, Completely ignoring the fact that an
entire family lost their son. They've been going through this
and also too, you know, one of the things that
was kind of overlooked was the victim impact statements.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
You had Austin Metcast's mother, father, and his twin brother
Hunter basically talk about how much they have been grieving.
Austin Metcast's father stating that he has been filled with rage,
telling Carmelo that he failed his own family, He failed himself,
he failed society as a whole. Austin's mother coming forward
and stating that Carmelo got out of this easy because
(12:38):
he got thirty five years, but she's been sentenced to
a life without her son, and then Hunter simply asking
Carmelo to look at him in the eye when he
gave his testimony. Carmelo was unable to make eye contact
with any of them. So it's really sad to see
how this entire situation played out. Let's not forget as well,
that Carmelo's own family utilized this tragedy to fundraise and
(12:59):
they were able to raised six hundred and twenty five
thousand dollars on behalf of Carmelo's quote defense fund, but
again that went toward putting them in a home that
was almost a million dollars. Initially, Carmelo was held on
a one million dollar bond, but they pled to a
judge that they were in financial straits and they couldn't
make bond, and they asked for that judge to lower
(13:21):
the bond to two hundred and fifty thousand, which the
judge ended up doing and he was out on bond.
The entirety of you know the lead up to this trial.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You know, Savannah, honestly looking at some of those videos
and I know you're saying that the people you interviewed,
and now I can say because you were there. All
of the supporters of Carmelo Anthony at the courthouse at
least were black, and from what some of them have said,
I do actually do not believe that they think that
he is innocent.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I think they know what he did.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I think that the attitude of some of the people
a courthouse was the white boy got what was coming
to him, which is a different thing. I don't think
that they think that Carmelo Anthony was innocent. I think
they're like, oh, you know, we got one on the
other side here, we managed to take. There was way
too much dismissing of the actual evidence in the case.
I think that there are some people out there who
(14:11):
have so much animus that they were they felt that,
like I said, that then the white kid got what
was coming to him here, and that was their attitude.
It's not that, oh, Carmelo Anthony actually was acting to
defend himself, because there's no there. As you said, there
was no self defense case to be made here. Otherwise
I've told everybody, if somebody bumped you, you know, in
the subway, you could say they assaulted me, so I
(14:33):
had to pull out a gun and shoot them. I mean,
there has to be a reasonable standard. Thank you for
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Is everybody TPUSA and let us know how your trial.
I know this is this is from we got to
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Kyle in Ohio wants to react to Savannah Hernandez telling
us about the coverage of her coverage of the Carmelo
Anthony trial.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
What's up, Kyle?
Speaker 9 (16:15):
How you're doing?
Speaker 10 (16:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (16:16):
I just you know, in some of these cases, especially
the racially charged ones, I don't understand why you know,
in a court of your peers, why the rest of
the peers, why you can't have this thing videotaped and
have it out for everybody to see the whole trial,
so that people can see that there's black men and
(16:37):
black kids, you know, testifying against another black kid, and
then instead of the black community that's already made up
their mind that this kid's innocent, you know, yeah, then.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Just take it from Kyle.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
It's a very I just want to answer what you're saying,
so thank you for calling in. It's a very good question.
And it varies a lot. Federal courts have pretty strict
bands against like broadcasting that they don't allow camera I mean,
they don't allow like video camera streaming that kind of
thing of proceedings, and and in state court there's a
(17:14):
little bit more flexibility. So this was a state court case.
But if the judge feels like there are identities that
need to be a little bit protected. For example, there
were miners who were testifying in this case, he can
say no meet, no media, you know, cameras going no,
no broadcasting is what I mean to say.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Of the trial.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And also there's always this concern that the trial could
become a media spectacle that actually influences the feelings of
the jurors and of and maybe even the lawyers are
going to start to play to the cameras more and
things like that.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
But you know, it's an it's an argument.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I got to tell you, there's both sides to it, Kyle,
So I hear you on that. Sometimes I think it
would be better if we had a real clear video record.
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Of exactly what was presented.
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President Trump.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
He's poised as of this morning for big, beautiful strikes
all over around, the biggest strikes. We're gonna kick their butts,
all that stuff. He has canceled those strikes as of now,
breaking news. Different news outlets are currently reporting on this.
So Trump has canceled the new strikes. So we had
(19:22):
some strikes going on, and we were told there's gonna
be a lot more, and now there's not going to
be a lot more. This was from this just so
you kind of know the context. This is from Trump
this morning. This is cut for player.
Speaker 10 (19:39):
There will be more bombing tonight. It'll be a bigger, bigger,
more powerful. Don't forget we've knocked out all of their
anti aircraft. They don't have any anti they have nothing.
I mean, they may get lucky with the shoulder weapon
or something. But for the most part, you know, they
have no defense. They have finished, but the papers, the
media refuses to they have finished. We can walk in
(20:02):
there tomorrow. We could take soldiers. I don't want to
have boots on the ground, but if I wanted to,
we could put a small group of soldiers and take
over the whole place.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Okay, So let's unpack this a little bit together. President
Trump here says that the that the Iranians are finished,
and that their air force and their navy and anti
air defense notably are essentially gone, have been taken out.
And so I think the next fair and necessary question is, Okay,
(20:37):
they must know that too, So why is there no deal?
So I will sit here and say to you, I
have just said out loud what President Trump says he
wants the media to say, which is that we have
completely obliterated a lot of aspects of their military, have
total dominance over their skies, can hit them basically anywhere
(20:58):
we want to in the country. All of that is
absolutely true. Why don't we have a deal yet?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Like, if we're just going to be intellectually honest about
this for a minute, and by the way. Maybe the
deal is going to be announced in the next the
next two days, the next two hours. I don't know,
but I know that I've been told for weeks now
they're about to sign, and they haven't signed. If somebody
let me, let me, let me take it back. Trump
(21:27):
would a or take it this direction. Trump would appreciate this.
I think himself as a real estate guy. If you
were selling, oh, here we go, here we go, I said, CNN,
the deal has been approved.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
This is now. We have this now, Okay, because I was.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
About to say, if you sold your house to somebody
and everything is agreed to and they won't sign at
the bottom of the page, there's clearly a problem saying
now that the deal. CNN is now reporting the deal
is approved by Iranian leaders. Okay, finally, it seems now
I can't I don't know exactly what's in the deal.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I want to see what the deal looks like.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
But this had been the missing the missing piece for
quite some time.
Speaker 10 (22:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
We were told the deal is in and that the
deal is gonna be done. It's gonna be done, it's
gonna be done. So now it makes sense that Trump
hit them last night and as of this morning was
going to be hitting them again, and it seems that
that pressure has resulted in something happening. This is in
real time, by the way, so I'm not checking to
(22:35):
see exactly because we were just told that the strikes
were on hold, and now we are just being told
that there is a deal.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Let me see.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I want to get more, guys, as we're getting more
information on this. Discussions and final points have been approved
by Iranian leaders. That is what CNN is reporting right now. Okay,
if this is in fact true, meaning the reporting is accurate,
(23:09):
I want to know what's in the deal. I'm going
to be honest with you about this deal. Here we go, Trump, Okay,
I was waiting for this one. So this is what happens.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Guys, this is all breaking in real time, so I'm
here with you. This is from President Trump just minutes ago.
I'll read it to you from his truth Social Based
on the fact that discussions with the Islamic Republic of
Iran have been brought to the highest levels of Iranian
leadership and approved, I have, as President of the United
States of America, canceled the scheduled strikes and bombings against Iran.
(23:42):
This evening. Discussions and final points have been in both
concept and great detail approved by all parties involved, including
the United States, Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Cutter, Turkey, Pakistan,
Bahrain and Kowait, Jordan, Egypt, and others. The naval blockade
will remain in full force and effect until this transaction
(24:06):
is finalized.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Time and place of the signing to be announced shortly.
Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Okay, this is now the closest clearly that we have
been to the deal.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
That's what I was like.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I was like, we could have a deal in two days,
two hours, let's see, And that was actually two minutes
about for us to get a deal. So this is
looking like it is. It is almost sign sealed and delivered.
I want to see what is in it because there
have been ongoing negotiations with all these different parties involved
(24:44):
that that I'm sure involved plenty of horse trading, if
you will, And in that respect, we need to see
what has happened here. I will tell you that until
we know what has been agreed to, it's really hard
to know how much of a final victory this is
(25:10):
against the Iranian nuclear program. I am hopeful that this
is going to end up being exactly what Donald Trump
has set out from the beginning, which is not only
an agreement to take steps. And remember, I'm setting out
this framework beforehand so that we can all be honest
with each other about how this is actually turning out
(25:31):
an agreement to take steps that are both verifiable and
enforcible so that Iran cannot reconstitute parts of its nuclear
weapons program. Right, that's what really So what that doesn't mean,
and again I haven't seen the text of the deal,
(25:51):
no one has yet. What that doesn't mean is we're
going to spend the next ninety days figuring out what
the steps are. So we've agreed to that that is
an agreement to form an agreement that's like a committee
to talk about the committee that would not be And
now Trump has said all along he will not do that.
I want to see what he does here because we've
(26:13):
also been hearing for weeks and weeks the deal is
about to happen.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
It's about to happen.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Now it seems like it's finally happening after quite a
bit of wrangling and delay. I hope it's a great
deal for America and a great deal for the region
because one, we've had quite an expenditure of military resources
on this. Two, the price of gas is a major
people can like it or not like it. It is
(26:38):
a major political liability right now in a midterm election
year if it were to stay this high. And three,
of course, I don't want us to be in a
situation where we've done this and then this has to
be done again in the future, or we realize the
hard way. You know, I can tell you right now.
If the deal is not a good deal, Iran would
(27:02):
because of the oil revenue that it has, or that
it would have with the straight fully reopened Iran would
be able to reconstitute. It didn't have much of a
navy to begin with, my friends, and its air defense
is it will buy them from Russia, from China, from
North Korea, It'll restock missiles, it'll do all of those
things again if the regime states I will also note
(27:25):
regime change is not even a discussion anymore. That's not
even talked about, so that's off the table. The regime
is the regime. The new leadership is whoever we are
left with or whoever they're left with. After we took
out a lot of their leadership class with bomps or
missiles or combination of the two. So that has been
(27:45):
this process up up to this point. I can tell
you that if after today we're told that they didn't
show up to the signing or they haven't agreed or something,
I'm going to.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Be pretty salty about that, because there's.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Only so many times I think we can be told,
we the American people, can be told it's done, it's done,
it's done, and it's not done.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
So again, I'm the.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
First one that's going to say, I hope that this
is fantastic and that President Trump has this all buttoned up.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And ready to go.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
And if he achieves with this what he has set
out to and what he seems very confident that he
not only will but maybe is in process of doing. Right,
it's not just he said this is the mission. It
seems like he has made a major step forward here
to achieving that mission. If he, if he were to
(28:41):
take it to the steps, or take it to the
point where he says we are going, it would be
a master stroke of foreign policy and national security strategy.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
The likes of which we haven't seen since really the.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Fall of the Berlin Wall and Reagan and the defeat
of the Soviet Union. I mean, this would be this
would be region transforming for the Middle East. So I
am I am all about this. I'm like, it's like
Donald Trump is the Knicks here, and I'm a Knicks fan.
I want them to win, but the game has not
(29:14):
been decided yet. So that's just so you understand where
my psychology is on this. And if somebody says to me, well,
the Knicks have already won, buck, I'd say, well, no,
actually they haven't, Okay, so let's not and don't tell
me they've won until they win. Don't tell me that
Trump has this done until it is done. And that
includes seeing what the deal is with all these different
(29:36):
parties involved in this, because the Iranians are this is
what they. When I see the Iranians, I mean, I'm
not talking about like our Persian friends who live in
Los Angeles and are all rooting for a better country
for those who are left back home in Iran itself.
I'm saying the Iranian Mulla mollocracy, the IRGC, the Islamo
(29:57):
Security Apparatus that runs what is the nation of nation
of Iran This is what they prevaricate. They delay, they
talk out of both sides of their mouths. They lie,
they cheat, they steal, you know, whatever they got to do.
There's no ethics involved in this process. There's no honor
(30:17):
for them in the negotiation. They view this as all
zero some. They're trying to get the maximum for themselves
and hurt us as much as they possibly can without
suffering further punishment. Right, so let's see what this deal
actually looks like. But that was quite a turn about
from we're going to hit them again with massive strikes.
You know, Trump is saying that we're going to hear
where the signing is going to occur. There are a
(30:40):
few phases beyond that as well, because what you really
hope is that whoever's doing this signing is really calling
the shots in Iran. What happens if someone shows up
and signs this thing and then they end up taking
a dirt nap because somebody takes them out when they
go back home. Right, we don't even know, we haven't
even heard who the leader is going to be. It's
(31:02):
not going to be, as Clay calls him, little mo.
I don't think I don't know who it will be
probably their foreign minister or something will show up and
have the you know, the the scepter of authority of
the Iranian people, at least theoretically in his hand as
he does this. But this would be region defining and
stabilizing if in fact Trump gets to where he says
(31:25):
we're going. So, I, like I've been telling you all along,
I'm a Trump fan, I'm a Knicks fan.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I want victory. I want this to go the distance.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
But Trump still has to get it to game five
or game six here, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
We have to see the deal.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
We have to see what's in it, see what's signed,
and then how it's implemented. So this will be something
of a process, and I think we need to keep
keep an eye on all of that. So last night
I was having some drinks. If I'm gonna be honest,
I was having Perier with lime because I don't know,
I can't really handle booze like I used to.
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Speaker 1 (33:55):
Let's take some callers. Keith in South Carolina wants a chat.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
What's up?
Speaker 9 (33:59):
Keith?
Speaker 7 (34:01):
Hey, how are you doing? Thanks for taking the call? Buck, Yes, sir,
I wanted to say that I agree with you one
hundred percent about don't tell the American people there's a deal,
so there's a deal. Second, this is just kicking the
can down the road. For forty seven years, they've never
honored a deal with any country, They've never kept the deal,
(34:21):
And this is kicking the can down the road for
another president down the road to have to deal with
them again. You know, enough is enough, It's time that
it's to coman.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
He's got to go.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Thank you so much, Keith.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I would tell you, as a probability matter here, that's
where I've been all along, which is I do not
see the Iranians bending the knee fully and finally on
this in a way that this will not still be
a problem for future presidents.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
And I say that hoping that I'm wrong, but I
also I am not going.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
To be told that when this is done, or if
it's not done, you know what we're going to call
balls and strikes here on this one. All right, I've
I've been to this dance before with Iraq and with
other matters where people want to tell us one thing
when we all see another.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Let's see where Trump takes this. I hope.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I hope it's the Grand Slam that he has been
promising and assuring us is coming. But yeah, don't tell
me another time a deal is. If we don't have
like word in the next twenty four hours about where
the signing is and everything else, I'm gonna start to
get a little suspicious about some of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Jerry and Florida, what's going on? Jerry? Jerry and Florida
going once? I'm going twice.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
I'm here.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
There you go, Jerry, what's up? You got to talk fast?
Speaker 10 (35:40):
Now?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
We got a minute.
Speaker 9 (35:41):
Go.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
The IRGC or the Eamonte can surrender their billionaires. They
got money all over the place, probably gold bars everywhere.
They could just leave town. They don't care if Trump
nukes the whole place. They'll live a life of kings.
Speaker 10 (35:55):
They'll go to.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Yeah, I'm sure that Chicago and New York City would
welcome them and they could live like kings this so
why should they surrender? They don't care about the people.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Let's go with Brian. Thank you, Jerry. Brian in West Virginia.
What's up, Brian? We got forty seconds?
Speaker 11 (36:11):
Yeah he I used to train with Iranians back during
the Shaw days.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
And the Navy.
Speaker 11 (36:16):
And what I've learned by by the people of the
Persians that I knew back then in the day is
that their entire culture is based on pride and losing face.
So it's an insubordinate would cause a subordinate to lose face.
They were eliminated and until we remove this regime, it
will never change. And American people have to realize this.
(36:38):
I mean, I know the people that were killed because
they failed our courses in the Navy, and yeah, it'll
never change.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Until yeah, they're tough, tough and stubborn enemy. Thanks for
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