September 1, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show focused on the intersection of crime, conspiracy theories, criminal justice, mental health, political violence, Middle East tensions, and the 2026 election landscape. The hour featured extensive discussion of the upcoming trial surrounding the murder of Charlie Kirk, continued debate over the Lindsay Clancy case, listener reactions to questions of accountability and insanity defenses, breaking developments involving Iran and President Donald Trump, and analysis of the Texas Senate race.
The hour opened with updates on both the Lindsay Clancy murder trial and legal proceedings related to the Charlie Kirk assassination case. Clay and Buck sharply criticized what they described as growing conspiracy theories circulating online regarding Charlie Kirk's murder, arguing that portions of conservative and alternative media have become distracted by claims involving hidden plots, ballistics speculation, and foreign actors rather than focusing on the evidence presented by prosecutors. They maintained that the available evidence points to the accused killer and emphasized that even the defendant's own legal team is not advancing many of the online theories that have gained attention. The hosts argued that the televised trial will likely provide a public examination of the facts and help address misinformation surrounding the case. They also discussed testimony expected from the accused killer's father, arguing that a parent taking the witness stand against his own child demonstrates the seriousness of the evidence in the case.
A major theme throughout Hour 2 was the influence of social media, internet communities, and true-crime culture on public perceptions of criminal cases. Clay and Buck examined what they see as a growing tendency for online communities to become emotionally invested in criminal investigations while developing elaborate alternative narratives unsupported by courtroom evidence. The hosts argued that conspiracy theories and social media speculation are increasingly influencing public opinion and potentially affecting the justice system itself. They specifically highlighted reactions to both the Charlie Kirk case and the Lindsay Clancy trial as examples of how online commentary can sometimes overshadow factual evidence and legal proceedings.
The conversation then returned repeatedly to the Lindsay Clancy case, where jurors remained unable to reach a verdict. Clay and Buck discussed listener emails and calls defending Clancy, particularly arguments that her husband may have been responsible for the murders, which the hosts strongly rejected. They argued that such theories are unsupported by the defense's strategy and by the evidence presented during the trial. The hosts examined broader questions surrounding the insanity defense, criminal responsibility, mental illness, postpartum depression, and accountability in murder cases. They debated whether a successful insanity defense could encourage similar legal strategies in future high-profile criminal prosecutions and questioned how society should balance mental health considerations with accountability for violent crimes.
A related discussion focused on crime, public safety, and law enforcement after Buck referenced a recent fatal stabbing in New York City and the subsequent police shooting of the attacker. The hosts argued that public debate over such incidents often reflects broader disagreements about personal responsibility, lawful use of force, and criminal accountability. They contended that society functions properly only when violent offenders face consequences for their actions and expressed concern that growing skepticism toward law enforcement and criminal prosecutions can erode trust in the justice system.
The show also explored the cultural phenomenon of true-crime media, particularly its popularity among female audiences. Clay suggested that podcasts, documentaries, social media groups, and online discussions have fueled an intense fascination with criminal cases that can sometimes blur the line between factual analysis and emotional attachment. This led into a broader conversation about public empathy, victim advocacy, and how media coverage shapes opinions regarding perpetrators and victims of violent crimes.
Later in the hour, breaking news shifted the discussion to President Donald Trump, Iran, and escalating tensions in the Middle East. The hosts reacted to a new statement from Trump announcing U.S. military strikes against Iranian targets near the Strait of Hormuz. They discussed the administration's warning to Iran, the strategic implications for U.S. military operations in the region, and the possibility of additional escalation if Iran responds militarily. The development added a major foreign policy component to the hour and set the stage for continued discussion in future segments.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
For number two, Clay and Buck, we appreciate all of
you hanging out with us as we are rolling through
the Tuesday edition of the program.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Couple of updates.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
The Lindsay Clancy jury said that they could not reach
a verdict a few hours ago. The judge said continued deliberating. Uh,
we also have another court hearing going on in Utah
surrounding the Charlie Kirk murder. Um, And Buck, I would
(00:31):
just continue to reiterate that one of the biggest failures of,
I would say, right-wing media as it pertains to Charlie
Kirk's assassination is that case rapidly descended into right-wing conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Media rabbit holes.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
And instead of sitting around and pointing out that yet
another crazed trans-inspired killer killed Charlie Kirk, the question has been,
did his microphone explode? Why didn't the bullet fully exit?
And not look at the motivations of the guy that
(01:15):
was on the bullet shell casings writing Antifa slogans and
far left-wing talking points and was involved in a relationship
with a man pretending to be a woman. and was
motivated based on trans ideology to kill Charlie Kirk instead
(01:36):
has turned into.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Israel killed them.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Have you really looked at ballistics? And it's not dissimilar
in some ways to the Lindsay Clancy case where people
have gone down these crazy conspiracy rabbit holes. But in
the Charlie Kirk case in particular, His killer was actually
the kind of person that many of you would expect
for him to be killed by. Someone who had left-wing
(02:01):
ideals and wanted to silence Charlie. And instead of having
that conversation as the trial moves closer, much of the
conversation has centered around that some nefarious, under-discussed, entity actually
killed him and that Charlie Kirk's killer, Tyler Robinson, is
(02:22):
just the fall guy.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And a lot of people out there listening to us
right now believe that.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And they're shaking their heads at me and saying, oh,
you're probably getting paid to say that. Yes, I definitely
want to cover up the Charlie Kirk killer. But unfortunately,
and that's sarcasm for people, unfortunately, that's the world in
which we live now where people I think much of
the plot has been lost as it pertains to that killing.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
How many times in the five-plus years now, going on
year six of this program together, Clay, have we both
been completely wrong on a matter of, factual analysis such
that we've had to come back and say, wow, we
missed that. I'm not. Don't tell me. What about an election?
(03:10):
No one can predict every election. That's not what I'm
talking about. But I'm saying we're telling you this is
the case. Not I think this might be or I
think this will be the case. We're telling you this
is what happened. And we then had to come back
and say, you know, it turns out we're wrong. That
isn't what happened. That isn't a thing. I can't think
of a single thing. I'm telling you guys that Tyler
(03:33):
Robinson is the only person for whom there is any
evidence whatsoever shot Charlie Kirk. I'm telling you that is
the current state of play and an enormous amount of
evidence on top of that.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And then a positive, it is going to be... televised
that trial and I would just point out that many
of the conspiracy theories that some of you believed or
researched or read about they are not even being cited
by the Tyler Robinson defense team that's how outrageous they
(04:09):
are that even his defense attorneys who are trying to
come up with anything to absolve him of culpability even
they are not citing some of the crazy harebrained conspiracy
theories that you can find on the internet as potential
exculpatory evidence for tyler robinson.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So we are trying to bring you the best factual
analysis on all of this always uh and best factual
realities best facts and the best analysis uh of course
the fact that it's televised though clay i think a
few things are going to come from this one uh
it will be a reminder to some people, based on
(04:52):
even who is maybe in the courtroom and some of
the conversations here, that Charlie Kirk's real friends, his friends
who he was actually very close with at the time
of his assassination, you will not hear a single person
(05:14):
who has Charlie's legacy and family's best interests at heart
who will say that this is a sham trial. And
I'm talking about Donald Trump Jr. I'm talking about J.D.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Vance.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I'm talking about people whom all of you, I think,
would trust on a critical issue of character like this
and something as important as this on anything else. So
I think that's part one of it. Just a reminder here.
If Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica, was saying there's a broader
conspiracy about They don't have the wrong guy, anything like
(05:49):
that at all. That would be a signal that something
is up. I'm not saying that that would be proof
on its own, but that would be nobody who was
truly invested in Charlie as a human being and as
a friend and had his best interests at heart thinks
that this trial is a sham or that there was
an exploding microphone or any of these things that you're
(06:10):
hearing that are along on the Internet. Clay, part two
in this, just real quick. As the trial unfolds, you
know what people are going to start saying more and
more online? I just wanted to wait and see the
facts presented at trial. I'm telling you right now, people
aren't going to like this, but that's kind of a
Fauci moving the goalpost thing. You know, Fauci, it turned into,
(06:34):
I know COVID is very different, but Fauci, Clay, it
turned into, oh, nobody really knew. And now we know more.
But that's not what Fauci was saying when he was
making us do all the terrible, stupid things. It was
I know and I'm certain there's a lot of certainty
in the conspiracies around Charlie that are out there right now.
A lot of, oh, it's not Tyler Robinson. Oh, it
(06:56):
was some foreign country. Oh, it was an intelligence or
whatever it may be. People are making declarative statements. They're
not just asking questions. And they're going to walk back
the declarative statements when the facts are actually presented at
trial and say, oh, I was just curious. Also, we're
curious people. Why aren't we curious about whether, you know,
some foreign country had Charlie assassinated? Why are we asking
(07:18):
that question? Oh, because we're in their pocket. You know,
they're paying us or something.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I would also add this. All of I co-sign everything
you said.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Let me add this.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
And I mentioned this before, but I think this sometimes
can cut through the noise. You're a dad now, Buck.
I'm a dad of three. Tyler Robinson's dad is testifying
against him at his criminal trial for killing Charlie Kirk.
For all the dads and moms out there, is there
(07:51):
a dollar figure that you could be paid to testify
against your son or your daughter and say they committed
a murder if you didn't know to the absolute utmost
scintilla of your soul that they were 100% guilty. I'm
(08:12):
not sure, Buck, even if my kid was 100% guilty,
that I would be able to go on the witness
stand candidly and testify against them because it's just so
hard to even comprehend. Tyler Robinson's dad is doing that.
Just if you don't want to believe any of the
other things, just think through what would it have to
(08:36):
be the situation for you to go on the witness
stand and lie that your son or daughter was a murderer.
If you had any doubt at all, would you ever
even comprehend or consider doing that?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I just I'm glad this is going to tell you this.
If somebody said, yeah. Yeah, if somebody said you have
to testify that your son is a murderer when you
did not know 100% that that was the case, put
aside whether even then you would want to do it
or not as a father, Clay. If somebody sent me
that or somebody told me, rather, you're going to have
(09:18):
to testify against your son or your life is forfeit, right?
I'm going to take you out, basically. I'd say, let's see.
No way.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
No way I would testify against my son. Someone could
literally say, I'm going to kill you if you don't
do this. And I would say, well, I'll take my chances.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I just think that is the most compelling of all
the evidence that is out there. It is that his
own dad is saying he did it with grandpa's rifle,
the rifle that he knows well.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah. Again.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I think, again, the fact that it's going to be televised.
We've got loaded lines. Tons of people want to weigh
in on a variety of topics so far. Also, people
are angry at us.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Every time we mention the Lindsay Clancy trial, we get
crazy women emails, and they're furious with us.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I have friends on this who are personal social friends
of mine, I will admit this, who are in the– One,
I told you I have a neighbor who says that
the husband did it, which is just crazy. Well, this
is the email. That's crazy. VIP email from Chris.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
First of all, let me say I'm in no way
saying she should be persecuted for not being prosecuted for
a crime. I just want to let you know most
people who are cheering for her acquittal are doing so
because they think she didn't do it. They think her
husband did it.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Then her defense would say it. I just, when I
hear people.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Make these arguments. If they had any prayer of raising
that as reasonable doubt, they would do it. I'm sorry
for screaming. I have been a defense attorney.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
If there were any evidence at all that someone other
than her murdered the children, it would.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Be their primary defense. They aren't saying it because they
didn't do it. They have him on the phone calling
the 911 operator when he found her. I mean, the
people in the trial have heard the father. It's like
the most horrific thing, just reading it, by the way.
Just reading the transcript is haunting. And I know because
I read some of it. But the audio, they have
(11:22):
the audio of this guy on the phone call. I
know you say, oh, he could fake it. He's a
talented actor. Now you're just going to be crazy. This
is like somebody saying, how do I know North Korea
is a bad place? You've never been there. I don't know.
I trust all of the mountains of evidence that everyone
has ever seen that tell me that it's a rough
place for freedom over there.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
You don't have to physically experience everything. This is like,
and I understand that a lot of you have not
done this. Imagine putting every fabric of your soul into
the job of defending someone at trial and not using
the most useful evidence to keep your client from being
(12:04):
found guilty. It's so unfathomable. First of all, it would
be a, arguably, it would be a disbarable offense if
you're not providing adequate counsel, which is what this would be,
and you're ignoring this exculpatory evidence. It did not happen.
(12:28):
If you're believing this, you are, frankly, you've lost the plot.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
There's something going on here, Clay. There is a real
surge in the true crime online commentary and obsession folks who, one,
seem to think that they can figure out from chat
rooms and Google searches more than all the different FBI investigators,
(12:57):
state police, local police, all this. But also they get
particularly deeply emotionally invested in things in which they're really,
really wrong. And that's troubling because they're at some point
it's it spreads far enough where it can start to
actually undermine the justice system, as we see here, where
I think that some of the jurors have been influenced
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in the Lindsay Clancy case. by some of the nonsense
that people have been saying online. But I'll give you
another example of this. I was just in New York
visiting my family in New York City. A woman was
just stabbed to death in Times Square.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Stabbed to death by a lunatic in Times Square. And
the woman with the knives out who had just stabbed
a young female banking executive who I think had either
just gotten engaged or just gotten married. It's a cover
of the New York Post. Horrible story. No reason at all.
Just lunatic stabbed her to death in Times Square, broad daylight.
(13:50):
And then she runs at the cops with the two
knives and the cops are saying, drop it, drop it,
drop it. And they shoot her. And there are people
online who are saying this is excessive force. If you
think that a person who stabbed someone to death and
then runs at a cop with the same knife that
they just stabbed a stranger to death with getting shot
is excessive force. You are a moron. And should never
(14:10):
think about criminal justice matters again until you learn something
about what you were talking about. But already. There are
all these commenters. Oh, it's excessive force. It's excessive force.
It is absolutely. It is the definition of lawful force.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It is.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And if you can't start when people forget, Clay, that
at the end of the day, we have to have
people able to enforce our laws, enforce them. There is
that word using force. Everything starts to crumble. And whether it's,
you know, a proper verdict in the Lindsay Clancy case
or a The use of force in this woman, in
(14:46):
this lunatic in Times Square. If everything is just kind
of up for a constant relativistic how I feel today debate,
then no one is capable of being held accountable for anything.
And if we have a society without accountability, we have
a society that is falling apart.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I think you hit on something we should talk more about,
which is this true crime obsession that women have.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It's not healthy.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I think the podcast world has taken it to a
completely different level.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
And I think we should dive into this.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
In the Internet subculture surrounding it all, this is uniquely
female in nature, by and large. And I think we
should talk about it.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
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Speaker 2 (16:34):
Welcome back in. You got us. It's all good. We
both would like to welcome people. Well, you're very welcome.
You're so welcome. We both say it. We have a
super tight turnaround here, Clay. But so I just will
say we will talk backs, calls all of it. We're
going to rack and stack them. And and we've gotten
some some VIP emails in, like, for example, Sheila here writes,
(16:57):
I listen to your show every day and absolutely love it.
I'm glad all of us listeners have someone like you
to tell us the truth about these issues. considering was
told the mother had some kind of mental issue. This
is my question. Why didn't she kill her husband? Also,
she had everything planned to the letter. So her brain
was evidently intact. She didn't think my husband might hurt
me because I killed our children. Not sorry, but guilty
(17:18):
is guilty. Sheila, people are asking questions like that about
why she first of all, she planned this out so
methodically against the children. And then she had a very
kind of haphazard plan for her own demise. Um, and
why would she do that for, and you're going into
such a dark place with all of this, that it's,
there's some, uh, you know, you, you feel at some level,
(17:41):
I think clay, it's, it's hard to even take your
mind into the place of analyzing this stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
But she, I mean, I guess, yes, my take on
it would be, she knew how to kill the kids.
I think she could have killed herself if she had
wanted to. That is clay's take.
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
Welcome back in Clay and Buck waving at a baby
in studio. You can hang out with us on YouTube.
The numbers have started to skyrocket. I am holding up
my Clay and Buck mug for my. coffee from Crockett
Coffee here that I'm about to drink. We're going to
take a bunch of your calls. President Trump has just
(19:16):
posted in the last five minutes, Buck, the United States,
as we speak, striking Iranian targets near the Strait of Hormuz.
The strikes are large and powerful and in retaliation for
the Iranians failed attempt at adding sea mines to the Strait,
which currently has no mines. They have been completely removed
or detonated. and the Iranian shooting eight missiles all successfully
(19:40):
knocked down at our military base in Jordan. If the
failed nation of Iran retaliates for this very justified attack,
they will be hit again. at a much harder and
higher level, but it will not be the biggest attack
of them all. That is waiting in the wings, and
when it is over, there will be very little of
the Islamic Republic of Iran president, Donald J.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Trump.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
That just in the last five minutes. We'll react, continue.
see if there's any fallout associated with those strikes. But
we've got a ton of callers. And let's start here
with Mike in Oakville, Washington, up at the top of
the page here. Mike, what's up?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Hello.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Do you hear me?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, we got you.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
You're concerned about why these women are demonstrating in favor
of murder killers, and you're not mentioning the fact that
they support– supporting their own children, killing their own babies
before they're born, they see killing as a solution to
a problem, so they're supporting killers.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
What do you think of that? I think the question
my wife asked is... I think I said that there's
been demonization of children through the abortion stuff, and I
brought up on the show last week that Massachusetts just...
All nine months of her pregnancy. So I know everyone
doesn't listen to us all three hours every day. But
just to be clear, I did actually address some of this. Yeah,
I do think Laura, my wife, brought this up. And
(21:08):
I do think it's significant to think about, too. She
is if she's.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Found guilty, she's going to be basically in prison and
first degree murder for the rest of her life. If, though,
she is found not guilty by reason of insanity, in
40 days she's back on the streets. And my wife said,
what in the world does that look like? And, Buck,
here is my sadistic, unfortunately, expectation for what will happen.
(21:37):
She's raised a million dollars in GoFundMe. I think she
will become a speaker on the.
True crime and mom world circuit and make hundreds of
thousands of dollars a year to be a speaker. You
guys think that I'm crazy. Some of you might say, actually,
(21:58):
you know, I see it. That is what will happen.
She will make lots of money going around the country
as a featured speaker whenever the medical team signs off
on she's no longer insane. That's the reality of what
I think her life would be like if she is
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found not guilty.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I also just think that the number of people that
you're going to see who commit a heinous crime and
run some version of a temporary insanity defense is going
to skyrocket after this. Yeah, I think you're right. And,
and that's in itself really, really troubling. Um, because I,
I think that you're going into a, a place where
(22:44):
the removal of, of accountability, not just for this, but
other heinous crimes could very well be in the, in
the near, uh, horizon. And that's, it is very, this
is some very dark stuff. I don't say, Clay, I
pointed this out. If this was three adults, would we
be having this conversation? Meaning if she had murdered three adults,
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brought them down to the let's say she bound them,
you know, you know, by their hands, slit their throats,
whatever it is, killed them in the basement of her
home and then said, oh, sorry, a voice told me
to do it. And I was just crazy in that moment.
I'm not crazy anymore, though. Would anybody be saying, yeah,
something else I'm going to say, people keep saying, you
(23:26):
guys don't understand postpartum depression. Okay, we are men, so yes,
Clay and I cannot give birth, so we do not
personally understand postpartum depression. Millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions,
billions of women around the world give birth and maybe
deal with some form of postpartum depression, and there's a
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lot of hormones, a lot of chemistry stuff that's getting
out of whack during a birth and afterwards. We understand that.
Murdering your three children is not okay. It's not justified
by the psychological state that you are in because of
the pregnancy, nor is it mitigated by that. So I
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don't understand. This would be like saying, I went into
a school, or I engaged in a mass shooting, but
I was really depressed. So don't hold me guilty because
I was really depressed. A lot of people are depressed.
Depression is not– by the way, millions and millions of
Americans are depressed, and they're not harming anybody. And they're
showing up, and they're pushing through, and they're going to work,
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and they're doing the right thing, and they're taking care
of their families, and they're maybe suffering in silence with this.
But it's not an excuse for them to do something horrible.
And that's why the mental health component of this– I
just think people are wrong. I've got to take care
of something with the baby, actually, Clay. So you're going
to take the control for one second.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Let me say this to build on what Buck was
just saying. For the women out there that are upset
about this, do you think Irina Zerutska's murderer on that
Charlotte public transit, the guy who stabbed her in the throat,
she never saw him coming, that awful, violent video that
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we all saw, do you think that He is clearly insane.
Do you think that there should be no culpability for
him because he's insane? For the women out there that
are saying, hey, Lindsay Clancy, she shouldn't be responsible for
this murder. My question for you would be, you watched
(25:35):
what happened to Irina Zaretskaya. People are arguing, I believe
I'm correct, that that trial has still not progressed because
that guy is insane. And people are saying he can't
be held accountable. He can't be put on trial. We
can't do anything to him. Does anyone actually want to
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argue that? Now, that would be somewhat consistent. Hey, we
shouldn't have culpability. And again, I just come back to
almost everyone. is going to be at some point in
time who commits a murder, oftentimes in the grip of
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some form of insanity, some form of mental struggle. My
wife is really fired up about this case, and she's
texting me while I'm on the air. I'll read what
she said. Lindsay Clancy being found not guilty by reason
of insanity might truly set women back a hundred or
(26:38):
more years because we will never be able to be
taken seriously again and now will forever be considered, you know,
too fragile, too emotionally unstable to do stressful things because
God forbid one of us snaps and kills kids. Women
in general are no longer allowed to consider to be
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mentally stable enough. Now, I think that's.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Aggressive.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I'm not sure that I would co-sign 100% of what
she just argued, but I.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Do think.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
That the fact that so many women are willing to
line up and cheer for Lindsay Clancy and the fact
that as soon as I heard that they were in
danger of a mistrial and the jury was deadlocked, I mean,
I sent a tweet. I will be stunned beyond belief
if the three men on this jury, Buck, if the
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three men on this jury say, you know what, she's
not guilty. And I think the reason why I have
that opinion is because of all the crazy women I
have seen and all your crazy emails that you have
sent me. I was just asking, Buck, you had to
duck away for a second. I think almost everyone in
this audience was outraged that Irina Zaretska's killer, the young,
(27:58):
blonde Ukrainian refugee who was brutally murdered on a public
transit in Charlotte, got stabbed from behind by that guy,
that black, mentally ill guy who should have never been
on the streets in the first place.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Arrested many times, of course. Tons of times. Total menace
to the public.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
For violent activities. Did we get a single email or
a single call from people saying we really need to
consider that violent felon's mental state? He can't be held
responsible because he just stabbed that girl? Look, this is
going to sound dark. I think what Lindsey Clancy did
is darker and more evil than what that guy did
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to Irina Ziritska on that public transit, right?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
No question.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
If you have to assess evil, first of all, she
did it three times, but she was the protector of
those children that she strangled to death. That guy was
just enacting violence upon a bystander, innocent, that he had
never seen before. They were in not some form of
personal responsibility. Again, they're both awful, but, Buck, do you
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remember anybody arguing that he shouldn't be held accountable for
the murder that he did?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
No, of course not. That's what I meant, though, also
about how adults, if there were adults who had been
murdered by this woman, there'd be a very different feeling
from the general public that has taken certainly Lindsay Clancy's
testimony Emotive side in this. Do you see this VIP
email from PJ? I have not seen it yet. heck
(29:40):
can't imagine what those poor children were thinking when they
were a person they admire and love most is doing
this evil to them may she burn in hades uh
yeah pj i mean i agree so yeah a lot
a lot of people have a Got to draw the
line of killing your own kids, everybody, in terms of
there's just an ultimate accountability that has to be enforced here.
(30:05):
Like I said, I could understand, and this is far
more common, somebody who doesn't want to go forward themselves,
but to take your children out before you try to
take yourself out, this is a murder-suicide attempt. And there's
something uniquely evil and demonic about it.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Am I wrong to also think, isn't it convenient for
her that she was sophisticated enough to know exactly how
to kill her kids and did all of the Google
searches to ensure that she did it in a way
that they would all die, but yet she wasn't able
to kill herself? I'm just going to say, I mean,
(30:45):
that seems awfully convenient for her. that she was able
to do exactly what she needed to to kill them,
but she couldn't do it herself. Look, if this is
a dark story, and it is, and you want to
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Maybe we can grab Frank yesterday. I think Buck would
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Speaker 2 (32:24):
Keeping it real, keeping it right. Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Find them on the iHeart app or wherever you get
your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We're going to
get a bunch of calls here and much more. In
the third hour, we'll probably talk Iran stuff with Trump,
also data centers. And, Clay, let's do Jay. Marie in
Florida listens on WFLA. Double did it. Jay on the talkbacks, guys.
(32:55):
Let's go to calls. We'll let them get that set up.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Sharon, a bunch of people want to weigh in also
on these big-time battles that are going on in the Senate.
Sharon in Houston.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yes, I'd like to comment on our General Ken Paxton.
He's the best we've ever had here in Texas. And
there's a lot of confusion about, and I've heard it
all over, why isn't he out there campaigning? Well, first
of all, The National Republican Senatorial Committee, which is the
one who distributes all the funds for all the campaigns,
(33:30):
they distributed $ 100 million to John Cornyn. And John Cornyn
lost because he's a do-nothing senator. We got rid of him.
But they're all very offended now because John Cornyn was
part of the establishment up there in D.C. And now
that's why they're not supporting Paxton. They haven't sent him
(33:52):
any money. But our Governor Abbott, he does have a
good war chest. He has good money, and he's coming
out now. I heard a clip on the radio of
him talking on one of the shows on TV, and
he was criticizing Tallarico. And he called him a pathological liar.
(34:12):
And he said everything that comes out of his mouth
is a lie, and he's right. He is a liar.
And the other thing is Ken Paxson has been busy
all summer doing his job here as the Attorney General
for Texas. He's been involved in lots of big time
lawsuits and he gets huge, big victories in court. He's
(34:34):
a fighter.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Thank you. Thanks for the call. We're all in on
on Ken Paxton. Here is one thing that I would
say in general is a challenge. When you have won
every big race for 20 some odd years as Texas
Republicans have. I think there's a natural indication to presume
that you're going to continue to win long into the future.
(34:58):
And most of the time that's true. But it can
lead to people taking for granted races that otherwise should
not be close that helps to keep them close. One
thing I'll say, Buck, is Beto was able to send
a shockwave through the Texas Republican community and people knew
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they really needed to show up in 2018, there was
an expectation and understanding that he was about as good
as the Democrat Party could do. And he was a
talented campaigner and he did a really good job in
that race. What I would say in general, Buck, is
I think it's Republicans always win. I think this actually
(35:39):
works in Tallarico's favor. He's such an awful candidate that
I think a lot of people just say, oh, there's
no way that guy can win. and don't take him
seriously in a way that they did Beto. Does that
make sense in terms of trying to set the table?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
As George W. Bush once said, people are misunderstanding Tallarico.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
That's such a great line. Let me play Frank Siller
for you, by the way, Buck. I mentioned this yesterday.
You'll love this answer. Cut 28.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
I am so angry at him and people like him
that might say something like that or or say something
as ridiculous as that. We're the greatest country that ever
existed in a, in the world. We've helped so many
countries and so many people, you know, it's incredible that
somebody could say that people like that hate America. They
(36:30):
don't even understand. Meanwhile, he's got, he's got plenty, he's
made plenty and he's got the nerves to talk about,
you know, capitalism or whatever it may be. But I,
I'm going to stay in my lane.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I am angry. I, We'll play more of that when
we come back. I love that guy. Angry Frank is great.
For number two, Clay and Buck, we appreciate all of
you hanging out with us as we are rolling through
the Tuesday edition of the program.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Couple of updates.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
The Lindsay Clancy jury said that they could not reach
a verdict a few hours ago. The judge said continued deliberating. Uh,
we also have another court hearing going on in Utah
surrounding the Charlie Kirk murder. Um, And Buck, I would
(00:31):
just continue to reiterate that one of the biggest failures of,
I would say, right-wing media as it pertains to Charlie
Kirk's assassination is that case rapidly descended into right-wing conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Media rabbit holes.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
And instead of sitting around and pointing out that yet
another crazed trans-inspired killer killed Charlie Kirk, the question has been,
did his microphone explode? Why didn't the bullet fully exit?
And not look at the motivations of the guy that
(01:15):
was on the bullet shell casings writing Antifa slogans and
far left-wing talking points and was involved in a relationship
with a man pretending to be a woman. and was
motivated based on trans ideology to kill Charlie Kirk instead
(01:36):
has turned into.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Israel killed them.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Have you really looked at ballistics? And it's not dissimilar
in some ways to the Lindsay Clancy case where people
have gone down these crazy conspiracy rabbit holes. But in
the Charlie Kirk case in particular, His killer was actually
the kind of person that many of you would expect
for him to be killed by. Someone who had left-wing
(02:01):
ideals and wanted to silence Charlie. And instead of having
that conversation as the trial moves closer, much of the
conversation has centered around that some nefarious, under-discussed, entity actually
killed him and that Charlie Kirk's killer, Tyler Robinson, is
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just the fall guy.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And a lot of people out there listening to us
right now believe that.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And they're shaking their heads at me and saying, oh,
you're probably getting paid to say that. Yes, I definitely
want to cover up the Charlie Kirk killer. But unfortunately,
and that's sarcasm for people, unfortunately, that's the world in
which we live now where people I think much of
the plot has been lost as it pertains to that killing.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
How many times in the five-plus years now, going on
year six of this program together, Clay, have we both
been completely wrong on a matter of, factual analysis such
that we've had to come back and say, wow, we
missed that. I'm not. Don't tell me. What about an election?
(03:10):
No one can predict every election. That's not what I'm
talking about. But I'm saying we're telling you this is
the case. Not I think this might be or I
think this will be the case. We're telling you this
is what happened. And we then had to come back
and say, you know, it turns out we're wrong. That
isn't what happened. That isn't a thing. I can't think
of a single thing. I'm telling you guys that Tyler
(03:33):
Robinson is the only person for whom there is any
evidence whatsoever shot Charlie Kirk. I'm telling you that is
the current state of play and an enormous amount of
evidence on top of that.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And then a positive, it is going to be... televised
that trial and I would just point out that many
of the conspiracy theories that some of you believed or
researched or read about they are not even being cited
by the Tyler Robinson defense team that's how outrageous they
(04:09):
are that even his defense attorneys who are trying to
come up with anything to absolve him of culpability even
they are not citing some of the crazy harebrained conspiracy
theories that you can find on the internet as potential
exculpatory evidence for tyler robinson.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So we are trying to bring you the best factual
analysis on all of this always uh and best factual
realities best facts and the best analysis uh of course
the fact that it's televised though clay i think a
few things are going to come from this one uh
it will be a reminder to some people, based on
(04:52):
even who is maybe in the courtroom and some of
the conversations here, that Charlie Kirk's real friends, his friends
who he was actually very close with at the time
of his assassination, you will not hear a single person
(05:14):
who has Charlie's legacy and family's best interests at heart
who will say that this is a sham trial. And
I'm talking about Donald Trump Jr. I'm talking about J.D.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Vance.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I'm talking about people whom all of you, I think,
would trust on a critical issue of character like this
and something as important as this on anything else. So
I think that's part one of it. Just a reminder here.
If Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica, was saying there's a broader
conspiracy about They don't have the wrong guy, anything like
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that at all. That would be a signal that something
is up. I'm not saying that that would be proof
on its own, but that would be nobody who was
truly invested in Charlie as a human being and as
a friend and had his best interests at heart thinks
that this trial is a sham or that there was
an exploding microphone or any of these things that you're
(06:10):
hearing that are along on the Internet. Clay, part two
in this, just real quick. As the trial unfolds, you
know what people are going to start saying more and
more online? I just wanted to wait and see the
facts presented at trial. I'm telling you right now, people
aren't going to like this, but that's kind of a
Fauci moving the goalpost thing. You know, Fauci, it turned into,
(06:34):
I know COVID is very different, but Fauci, Clay, it
turned into, oh, nobody really knew. And now we know more.
But that's not what Fauci was saying when he was
making us do all the terrible, stupid things. It was
I know and I'm certain there's a lot of certainty
in the conspiracies around Charlie that are out there right now.
A lot of, oh, it's not Tyler Robinson. Oh, it
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was some foreign country. Oh, it was an intelligence or
whatever it may be. People are making declarative statements. They're
not just asking questions. And they're going to walk back
the declarative statements when the facts are actually presented at
trial and say, oh, I was just curious. Also, we're
curious people. Why aren't we curious about whether, you know,
some foreign country had Charlie assassinated? Why are we asking
(07:18):
that question? Oh, because we're in their pocket. You know,
they're paying us or something.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I would also add this. All of I co-sign everything
you said.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Let me add this.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
And I mentioned this before, but I think this sometimes
can cut through the noise. You're a dad now, Buck.
I'm a dad of three. Tyler Robinson's dad is testifying
against him at his criminal trial for killing Charlie Kirk.
For all the dads and moms out there, is there
(07:51):
a dollar figure that you could be paid to testify
against your son or your daughter and say they committed
a murder if you didn't know to the absolute utmost
scintilla of your soul that they were 100% guilty. I'm
(08:12):
not sure, Buck, even if my kid was 100% guilty,
that I would be able to go on the witness
stand candidly and testify against them because it's just so
hard to even comprehend. Tyler Robinson's dad is doing that.
Just if you don't want to believe any of the
other things, just think through what would it have to
(08:36):
be the situation for you to go on the witness
stand and lie that your son or daughter was a murderer.
If you had any doubt at all, would you ever
even comprehend or consider doing that?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I just I'm glad this is going to tell you this.
If somebody said, yeah. Yeah, if somebody said you have
to testify that your son is a murderer when you
did not know 100% that that was the case, put
aside whether even then you would want to do it
or not as a father, Clay. If somebody sent me
that or somebody told me, rather, you're going to have
(09:18):
to testify against your son or your life is forfeit, right?
I'm going to take you out, basically. I'd say, let's see.
No way.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
No way I would testify against my son. Someone could
literally say, I'm going to kill you if you don't
do this. And I would say, well, I'll take my chances.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I just think that is the most compelling of all
the evidence that is out there. It is that his
own dad is saying he did it with grandpa's rifle,
the rifle that he knows well.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah. Again.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I think, again, the fact that it's going to be televised.
We've got loaded lines. Tons of people want to weigh
in on a variety of topics so far. Also, people
are angry at us.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Every time we mention the Lindsay Clancy trial, we get
crazy women emails, and they're furious with us.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I have friends on this who are personal social friends
of mine, I will admit this, who are in the– One,
I told you I have a neighbor who says that
the husband did it, which is just crazy. Well, this
is the email. That's crazy. VIP email from Chris.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
First of all, let me say I'm in no way
saying she should be persecuted for not being prosecuted for
a crime. I just want to let you know most
people who are cheering for her acquittal are doing so
because they think she didn't do it. They think her
husband did it.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Then her defense would say it. I just, when I
hear people.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Make these arguments. If they had any prayer of raising
that as reasonable doubt, they would do it. I'm sorry
for screaming. I have been a defense attorney.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
If there were any evidence at all that someone other
than her murdered the children, it would.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Be their primary defense. They aren't saying it because they
didn't do it. They have him on the phone calling
the 911 operator when he found her. I mean, the
people in the trial have heard the father. It's like
the most horrific thing, just reading it, by the way.
Just reading the transcript is haunting. And I know because
I read some of it. But the audio, they have
(11:22):
the audio of this guy on the phone call. I
know you say, oh, he could fake it. He's a
talented actor. Now you're just going to be crazy. This
is like somebody saying, how do I know North Korea
is a bad place? You've never been there. I don't know.
I trust all of the mountains of evidence that everyone
has ever seen that tell me that it's a rough
place for freedom over there.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
You don't have to physically experience everything. This is like,
and I understand that a lot of you have not
done this. Imagine putting every fabric of your soul into
the job of defending someone at trial and not using
the most useful evidence to keep your client from being
(12:04):
found guilty. It's so unfathomable. First of all, it would
be a, arguably, it would be a disbarable offense if
you're not providing adequate counsel, which is what this would be,
and you're ignoring this exculpatory evidence. It did not happen.
(12:28):
If you're believing this, you are, frankly, you've lost the plot.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
There's something going on here, Clay. There is a real
surge in the true crime online commentary and obsession folks who, one,
seem to think that they can figure out from chat
rooms and Google searches more than all the different FBI investigators,
(12:57):
state police, local police, all this. But also they get
particularly deeply emotionally invested in things in which they're really,
really wrong. And that's troubling because they're at some point
it's it spreads far enough where it can start to
actually undermine the justice system, as we see here, where
I think that some of the jurors have been influenced
(13:18):
in the Lindsay Clancy case. by some of the nonsense
that people have been saying online. But I'll give you
another example of this. I was just in New York
visiting my family in New York City. A woman was
just stabbed to death in Times Square.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Stabbed to death by a lunatic in Times Square. And
the woman with the knives out who had just stabbed
a young female banking executive who I think had either
just gotten engaged or just gotten married. It's a cover
of the New York Post. Horrible story. No reason at all.
Just lunatic stabbed her to death in Times Square, broad daylight.
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And then she runs at the cops with the two
knives and the cops are saying, drop it, drop it,
drop it. And they shoot her. And there are people
online who are saying this is excessive force. If you
think that a person who stabbed someone to death and
then runs at a cop with the same knife that
they just stabbed a stranger to death with getting shot
is excessive force. You are a moron. And should never
(14:10):
think about criminal justice matters again until you learn something
about what you were talking about. But already. There are
all these commenters. Oh, it's excessive force. It's excessive force.
It is absolutely. It is the definition of lawful force.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It is.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And if you can't start when people forget, Clay, that
at the end of the day, we have to have
people able to enforce our laws, enforce them. There is
that word using force. Everything starts to crumble. And whether it's,
you know, a proper verdict in the Lindsay Clancy case
or a The use of force in this woman, in
(14:46):
this lunatic in Times Square. If everything is just kind
of up for a constant relativistic how I feel today debate,
then no one is capable of being held accountable for anything.
And if we have a society without accountability, we have
a society that is falling apart.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I think you hit on something we should talk more about,
which is this true crime obsession that women have.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It's not healthy.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I think the podcast world has taken it to a
completely different level.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
And I think we should dive into this.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
In the Internet subculture surrounding it all, this is uniquely
female in nature, by and large. And I think we
should talk about it.
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Welcome back in. You got us. It's all good. We
both would like to welcome people. Well, you're very welcome.
You're so welcome. We both say it. We have a
super tight turnaround here, Clay. But so I just will
say we will talk backs, calls all of it. We're
going to rack and stack them. And and we've gotten
some some VIP emails in, like, for example, Sheila here writes,
(16:57):
I listen to your show every day and absolutely love it.
I'm glad all of us listeners have someone like you
to tell us the truth about these issues. considering was
told the mother had some kind of mental issue. This
is my question. Why didn't she kill her husband? Also,
she had everything planned to the letter. So her brain
was evidently intact. She didn't think my husband might hurt
me because I killed our children. Not sorry, but guilty
(17:18):
is guilty. Sheila, people are asking questions like that about
why she first of all, she planned this out so
methodically against the children. And then she had a very
kind of haphazard plan for her own demise. Um, and
why would she do that for, and you're going into
such a dark place with all of this, that it's,
there's some, uh, you know, you, you feel at some level,
(17:41):
I think clay, it's, it's hard to even take your
mind into the place of analyzing this stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah.
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But she, I mean, I guess, yes, my take on
it would be, she knew how to kill the kids.
I think she could have killed herself if she had
wanted to. That is clay's take.
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Welcome back in Clay and Buck waving at a baby
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The numbers have started to skyrocket. I am holding up
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Coffee here that I'm about to drink. We're going to
take a bunch of your calls. President Trump has just
(19:16):
posted in the last five minutes, Buck, the United States,
as we speak, striking Iranian targets near the Strait of Hormuz.
The strikes are large and powerful and in retaliation for
the Iranians failed attempt at adding sea mines to the Strait,
which currently has no mines. They have been completely removed
or detonated. and the Iranian shooting eight missiles all successfully
(19:40):
knocked down at our military base in Jordan. If the
failed nation of Iran retaliates for this very justified attack,
they will be hit again. at a much harder and
higher level, but it will not be the biggest attack
of them all. That is waiting in the wings, and
when it is over, there will be very little of
the Islamic Republic of Iran president, Donald J.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Trump.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
That just in the last five minutes. We'll react, continue.
see if there's any fallout associated with those strikes. But
we've got a ton of callers. And let's start here
with Mike in Oakville, Washington, up at the top of
the page here. Mike, what's up?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Hello.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Do you hear me?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, we got you.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
You're concerned about why these women are demonstrating in favor
of murder killers, and you're not mentioning the fact that
they support– supporting their own children, killing their own babies
before they're born, they see killing as a solution to
a problem, so they're supporting killers.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
What do you think of that? I think the question
my wife asked is... I think I said that there's
been demonization of children through the abortion stuff, and I
brought up on the show last week that Massachusetts just...
All nine months of her pregnancy. So I know everyone
doesn't listen to us all three hours every day. But
just to be clear, I did actually address some of this. Yeah,
I do think Laura, my wife, brought this up. And
(21:08):
I do think it's significant to think about, too. She
is if she's.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Found guilty, she's going to be basically in prison and
first degree murder for the rest of her life. If, though,
she is found not guilty by reason of insanity, in
40 days she's back on the streets. And my wife said,
what in the world does that look like? And, Buck,
here is my sadistic, unfortunately, expectation for what will happen.
(21:37):
She's raised a million dollars in GoFundMe. I think she
will become a speaker on the.
True crime and mom world circuit and make hundreds of
thousands of dollars a year to be a speaker. You
guys think that I'm crazy. Some of you might say, actually,
(21:58):
you know, I see it. That is what will happen.
She will make lots of money going around the country
as a featured speaker whenever the medical team signs off
on she's no longer insane. That's the reality of what
I think her life would be like if she is
(22:18):
found not guilty.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I also just think that the number of people that
you're going to see who commit a heinous crime and
run some version of a temporary insanity defense is going
to skyrocket after this. Yeah, I think you're right. And,
and that's in itself really, really troubling. Um, because I,
I think that you're going into a, a place where
(22:44):
the removal of, of accountability, not just for this, but
other heinous crimes could very well be in the, in
the near, uh, horizon. And that's, it is very, this
is some very dark stuff. I don't say, Clay, I
pointed this out. If this was three adults, would we
be having this conversation? Meaning if she had murdered three adults,
(23:04):
brought them down to the let's say she bound them,
you know, you know, by their hands, slit their throats,
whatever it is, killed them in the basement of her
home and then said, oh, sorry, a voice told me
to do it. And I was just crazy in that moment.
I'm not crazy anymore, though. Would anybody be saying, yeah,
something else I'm going to say, people keep saying, you
(23:26):
guys don't understand postpartum depression. Okay, we are men, so yes,
Clay and I cannot give birth, so we do not
personally understand postpartum depression. Millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions,
billions of women around the world give birth and maybe
deal with some form of postpartum depression, and there's a
(23:47):
lot of hormones, a lot of chemistry stuff that's getting
out of whack during a birth and afterwards. We understand that.
Murdering your three children is not okay. It's not justified
by the psychological state that you are in because of
the pregnancy, nor is it mitigated by that. So I
(24:09):
don't understand. This would be like saying, I went into
a school, or I engaged in a mass shooting, but
I was really depressed. So don't hold me guilty because
I was really depressed. A lot of people are depressed.
Depression is not– by the way, millions and millions of
Americans are depressed, and they're not harming anybody. And they're
showing up, and they're pushing through, and they're going to work,
(24:31):
and they're doing the right thing, and they're taking care
of their families, and they're maybe suffering in silence with this.
But it's not an excuse for them to do something horrible.
And that's why the mental health component of this– I
just think people are wrong. I've got to take care
of something with the baby, actually, Clay. So you're going
to take the control for one second.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Let me say this to build on what Buck was
just saying. For the women out there that are upset
about this, do you think Irina Zerutska's murderer on that
Charlotte public transit, the guy who stabbed her in the throat,
she never saw him coming, that awful, violent video that
(25:12):
we all saw, do you think that He is clearly insane.
Do you think that there should be no culpability for
him because he's insane? For the women out there that
are saying, hey, Lindsay Clancy, she shouldn't be responsible for
this murder. My question for you would be, you watched
(25:35):
what happened to Irina Zaretskaya. People are arguing, I believe
I'm correct, that that trial has still not progressed because
that guy is insane. And people are saying he can't
be held accountable. He can't be put on trial. We
can't do anything to him. Does anyone actually want to
(25:56):
argue that? Now, that would be somewhat consistent. Hey, we
shouldn't have culpability. And again, I just come back to
almost everyone. is going to be at some point in
time who commits a murder, oftentimes in the grip of
(26:17):
some form of insanity, some form of mental struggle. My
wife is really fired up about this case, and she's
texting me while I'm on the air. I'll read what
she said. Lindsay Clancy being found not guilty by reason
of insanity might truly set women back a hundred or
(26:38):
more years because we will never be able to be
taken seriously again and now will forever be considered, you know,
too fragile, too emotionally unstable to do stressful things because
God forbid one of us snaps and kills kids. Women
in general are no longer allowed to consider to be
(26:58):
mentally stable enough. Now, I think that's.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Aggressive.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I'm not sure that I would co-sign 100% of what
she just argued, but I.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Do think.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
That the fact that so many women are willing to
line up and cheer for Lindsay Clancy and the fact
that as soon as I heard that they were in
danger of a mistrial and the jury was deadlocked, I mean,
I sent a tweet. I will be stunned beyond belief
if the three men on this jury, Buck, if the
(27:35):
three men on this jury say, you know what, she's
not guilty. And I think the reason why I have
that opinion is because of all the crazy women I
have seen and all your crazy emails that you have
sent me. I was just asking, Buck, you had to
duck away for a second. I think almost everyone in
this audience was outraged that Irina Zaretska's killer, the young,
(27:58):
blonde Ukrainian refugee who was brutally murdered on a public
transit in Charlotte, got stabbed from behind by that guy,
that black, mentally ill guy who should have never been
on the streets in the first place.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Arrested many times, of course. Tons of times. Total menace
to the public.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
For violent activities. Did we get a single email or
a single call from people saying we really need to
consider that violent felon's mental state? He can't be held
responsible because he just stabbed that girl? Look, this is
going to sound dark. I think what Lindsey Clancy did
is darker and more evil than what that guy did
(28:44):
to Irina Ziritska on that public transit, right?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
No question.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
If you have to assess evil, first of all, she
did it three times, but she was the protector of
those children that she strangled to death. That guy was
just enacting violence upon a bystander, innocent, that he had
never seen before. They were in not some form of
personal responsibility. Again, they're both awful, but, Buck, do you
(29:11):
remember anybody arguing that he shouldn't be held accountable for
the murder that he did?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
No, of course not. That's what I meant, though, also
about how adults, if there were adults who had been
murdered by this woman, there'd be a very different feeling
from the general public that has taken certainly Lindsay Clancy's
testimony Emotive side in this. Do you see this VIP
email from PJ? I have not seen it yet. heck
(29:40):
can't imagine what those poor children were thinking when they
were a person they admire and love most is doing
this evil to them may she burn in hades uh
yeah pj i mean i agree so yeah a lot
a lot of people have a Got to draw the
line of killing your own kids, everybody, in terms of
there's just an ultimate accountability that has to be enforced here.
(30:05):
Like I said, I could understand, and this is far
more common, somebody who doesn't want to go forward themselves,
but to take your children out before you try to
take yourself out, this is a murder-suicide attempt. And there's
something uniquely evil and demonic about it.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Am I wrong to also think, isn't it convenient for
her that she was sophisticated enough to know exactly how
to kill her kids and did all of the Google
searches to ensure that she did it in a way
that they would all die, but yet she wasn't able
to kill herself? I'm just going to say, I mean,
(30:45):
that seems awfully convenient for her. that she was able
to do exactly what she needed to to kill them,
but she couldn't do it herself. Look, if this is
a dark story, and it is, and you want to
shine some light on things, how about Tunnel to Towers?
Maybe we can grab Frank yesterday. I think Buck would
love one of his answers about people who say America
deserved 9-11. In fact, Producer Greg, if you would grab it,
(31:08):
you might have to bleep it, but it went viral
yesterday on social media because Frank is just such a
good dude. And he founded the Tunnel to Towers organization
after his baby brother died as a firefighter, rushing to
those towers on that day. And it's not just Frank's brother.
There's heroes every single day that make the ultimate sacrifice.
(31:30):
Heroes like Detective Victor Vargas. He dedicated his life to service.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
He was a U.S.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
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(31:58):
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Speaker 2 (32:24):
Keeping it real, keeping it right. Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
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your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We're going to
get a bunch of calls here and much more. In
the third hour, we'll probably talk Iran stuff with Trump,
also data centers. And, Clay, let's do Jay. Marie in
Florida listens on WFLA. Double did it. Jay on the talkbacks, guys.
(32:55):
Let's go to calls. We'll let them get that set up.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Sharon, a bunch of people want to weigh in also
on these big-time battles that are going on in the Senate.
Sharon in Houston.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yes, I'd like to comment on our General Ken Paxton.
He's the best we've ever had here in Texas. And
there's a lot of confusion about, and I've heard it
all over, why isn't he out there campaigning? Well, first
of all, The National Republican Senatorial Committee, which is the
one who distributes all the funds for all the campaigns,
(33:30):
they distributed $ 100 million to John Cornyn. And John Cornyn
lost because he's a do-nothing senator. We got rid of him.
But they're all very offended now because John Cornyn was
part of the establishment up there in D.C. And now
that's why they're not supporting Paxton. They haven't sent him
(33:52):
any money. But our Governor Abbott, he does have a
good war chest. He has good money, and he's coming
out now. I heard a clip on the radio of
him talking on one of the shows on TV, and
he was criticizing Tallarico. And he called him a pathological liar.
(34:12):
And he said everything that comes out of his mouth
is a lie, and he's right. He is a liar.
And the other thing is Ken Paxson has been busy
all summer doing his job here as the Attorney General
for Texas. He's been involved in lots of big time
lawsuits and he gets huge, big victories in court. He's
(34:34):
a fighter.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Thank you. Thanks for the call. We're all in on
on Ken Paxton. Here is one thing that I would
say in general is a challenge. When you have won
every big race for 20 some odd years as Texas
Republicans have. I think there's a natural indication to presume
that you're going to continue to win long into the future.
(34:58):
And most of the time that's true. But it can
lead to people taking for granted races that otherwise should
not be close that helps to keep them close. One
thing I'll say, Buck, is Beto was able to send
a shockwave through the Texas Republican community and people knew
(35:19):
they really needed to show up in 2018, there was
an expectation and understanding that he was about as good
as the Democrat Party could do. And he was a
talented campaigner and he did a really good job in
that race. What I would say in general, Buck, is
I think it's Republicans always win. I think this actually
(35:39):
works in Tallarico's favor. He's such an awful candidate that
I think a lot of people just say, oh, there's
no way that guy can win. and don't take him
seriously in a way that they did Beto. Does that
make sense in terms of trying to set the table?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
As George W. Bush once said, people are misunderstanding Tallarico.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
That's such a great line. Let me play Frank Siller
for you, by the way, Buck. I mentioned this yesterday.
You'll love this answer. Cut 28.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
I am so angry at him and people like him
that might say something like that or or say something
as ridiculous as that. We're the greatest country that ever
existed in a, in the world. We've helped so many
countries and so many people, you know, it's incredible that
somebody could say that people like that hate America. They
(36:30):
don't even understand. Meanwhile, he's got, he's got plenty, he's
made plenty and he's got the nerves to talk about,
you know, capitalism or whatever it may be. But I,
I'm going to stay in my lane.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I am angry. I, We'll play more of that when
we come back. I love that guy. Angry Frank is great.
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