April 7, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show continues its intensive coverage of the escalating Iran crisis and the domestic political consequences surrounding President Donald Trump’s foreign policy decisions, while incorporating extensive listener calls and broader discussions about accountability, governance, and the future of American politics. This hour emphasizes that it is the second hour of the program and focuses heavily on analysis rather than breaking news, as the hosts await the looming 8:00 p.m. Eastern deadline tied to Trump’s demands on Iran.
Hour 2 opens with Clay Travis firmly rejecting claims circulating online that President Trump is preparing to drop a nuclear weapon on Iran, calling those assertions unserious and detached from reality. Clay and Buck note that financial markets—including oil prices and the stock market—remain relatively calm, underscoring their argument that investors and global observers broadly expect a diplomatic or limited military outcome rather than catastrophic escalation. They explain that markets often reflect collective judgment, and the lack of panic suggests confidence that Trump will avoid extreme actions while still applying pressure.
A major theme of Hour 2 is accountability—both for President Trump and for conservative media. Through a long and candid call from a listener in Ohio, Clay and Buck engage with concerns that the Trump administration has underdelivered on issues such as DOJ reform, government accountability, and fraud prosecutions, while now risking political capital on the Iran conflict. The hosts acknowledge personnel missteps, including criticism of former Attorney General Pam Bondi, while defending Trump’s willingness to take risks that previous administrations avoided. They stress that if the Iran gamble fails, it could cost Republicans the midterms and effectively end Trump’s domestic agenda.
The discussion broadens into a sober assessment of war, casualties, and historical context. Clay argues that, measured purely in military terms, the Iran operation has been extraordinarily efficient compared to past U.S. conflicts, while also recognizing that any American deaths are tragic. The hosts compare Trump’s Iran strategy to missed opportunities with North Korea, arguing that earlier presidents failed to prevent long-term nuclear threats. Hour 2 frames Trump’s approach as attempting to resolve generational threats—even at the expense of short-term political comfort—rather than simply managing crises until the next election.
Listener calls drive much of the middle of Hour 2, with debates over whether preventing Iran from gaining nuclear weapons outweighs domestic political risks. Clay and Buck repeatedly return to the idea that outcomes matter more than predictions, cautioning against premature declarations of success or failure before the deadline and negotiations are resolved. They also warn against commentators who appear to root for Trump to fail for ideological or media reasons.
Another significant topic in Hour 2 is the fear—expressed by multiple callers—that future Democratic administrations could pursue retroactive prosecutions of Trump officials. Clay and Buck openly discuss the possibility that Trump may ultimately issue broad, preemptive pardons to protect members of his administration, framing it as a defensive response to an increasingly weaponized political environment. They also debate the legal uncertainty surrounding preemptive pardons and what that trend means for the presidency moving forward.
The hour expands into long-term political forecasts, with Clay and Buck acknowledging that Democrats are likely to regain unified control of government at some point in the next decade. They argue that if Democrats do, they are likely to eliminate the Senate filibuster, expand courts, push mass amnesty, and consolidate power—concerns they see as driving Trump’s urgency to enact structural changes while he can.
Hour 2 closes on a mix of forward-looking optimism and personal levity. Clay and Buck express strong confidence in the competence of Trump’s senior national security team, including Marco Rubio, Pete Hegseth, JD Vance, and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, rejecting portrayals of Trump as acting alone or irrationally. The hour ends with lighter personal banter about fitness, aging, yoga, and family life, providing a tonal contrast to the intense geopolitical and political discussions that dominate the rest of this second hour.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton show.
As we wait for the deadline eight pm Eastern on
bated breath, people are in my mentions. I just jumped
in on social media. Buck, We're going to take some
of your calls. We got a bunch of different interesting
calls here, but they're saying Trump is going to drop
(00:24):
a nuclear bomb on Iran. I will wager any amount
of money that anybody out there listening has that we
will not drop a nuclear bomb on Iran. And I
feel very very confident about this. But if some of
you have lots of money that you want to put
on the line here, I think your brains are broken
(00:47):
if you are arguing, oh my god, Trump is going
to drop a nuclear bomb on Iran. But there's actually
a lot of people out there, Buck arguing Trump will
drop a nuclear bomb on Iran. Markets, by the way,
actually pretty calm. The oil market not moving very much
at all, the stock market not moving very much at all.
There is a sort of genuine, I think, comfort that
(01:13):
nothing crazy is going to happen. And we will see
at eight pm Eastern tonight or maybe before. I will
mention Todd Blanche, who is the acting Attorney General. Is
having a press conference right now at the Department of Justice.
We are monitoring that being covered live by Fox News.
He is the acting Attorney General, replacing Pambondi, and we
(01:35):
will update you if any major news comes out of that.
But Buck, we got a bunch of callers here and
I thought they had several different interesting takes here. And Taylor,
I'll start with Taylor. Taylor is from Columbus, Ohio. He
says he voted for President Trump three times, that you
(01:56):
are an independent, but that you are upset at both
Buck and me because we are not tough enough on Trump. Taylor,
you have the floor from Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, you know, I actually think you guys are way
better than anybody else in conservative media because you actually
will call a spade to spade, which is why I
keep listening to you guys. But it just feels like
every time I turn on the.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Other guys Fox News, it's just one big cheerleading gush fest.
And I'll tell you it's people like me who came
out in droves in twenty twenty four and gave Trump
in the GOP a total mandate.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
And you hit it on the head last segment at
the Democrats were to get a mandate like that, like
what we saw Trump get in twenty twenty four, it
would steamroll this country with the agenda. And I gotta say, guys,
Pam BONDI was an utter disaster. Christy Nome, total disaster.
All this COVID fraud, all this Medicare fraud, Somali fraud,
(03:04):
election fraud, It's been totally forgotten about seeing me by
this administration. Now we're facing a war that if this
goes off the rails with Iran. I'm telling you, people
in my generation do not have a stomach for this.
And I'm asking you, guys, because I think you're the
best at what you do on this side of things.
Who is holding the Trump administration accountable? Because we are
(03:26):
the ones who gave him this mandate. And I'll tell
you there are millions of people like me who at
this point are are thinking of sitting this one out
in the midterms. So, Taylor, this Iran things. I want
to see how this Iran thing plays out. But I
think someone needs to get in Trump's here and say, hey,
we gave you this mandate, you need to start delivering
(03:48):
on these things.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
So here's here's what I would say, Taylor. First of all,
really appreciate the call and also the words of support
for the show because it means a lot to us
because Clay and I, especially in the internet ecosystem, you know,
we're very fortunate thanks to iHeart that we're on almost
six hundred radio stations. But also we operate in the
online space like other people do. And these days, the
way to get attention and clicks in the online space
(04:11):
on the right is to just be insane. It's to
just be completely nuts, say wild stuff, no accountability, make
crazy predictions. Say I will bet my career that space
aliens will land tomorrow. They will rip off their humanoid faces,
they will be lizards, and they will say we are
actually all obeying Hillary Clinton. Like I can say that,
(04:32):
and that's interesting. But then tomorrow comes and I would
hope that the audience would hold me to account, but
that doesn't happen anymore on the right. So I'll just
I'll put that out there first and foremost. So I
appreciate you and others because they're choosing to listen to
this show instead of some of the crap that's out there.
Make those distinctions. So thank you, and I really mean
this in the bottom of my heart. It speaks well
to your discernment and your intellect. Okay, so there's that
(04:56):
Beyond that, everything that you've said I think is completely fair.
You know, I'm maybe too nice sometimes about people, especially
if I think they're well intentioned. I think it's a
general thing in my analysis that maybe is you know,
in political commentary, could be a shortcoming. Quite honestly, if
I feel like someone's a good person. Look, christinoam shot
(05:16):
her dog. She got no there was no quarter, no
benefit for me after that thing. Okay, I didn't like that,
and we we had that out on the show, and
everyone knows how I feel about it, and among other things,
by the way, not just the dog shooting. But so
with Pam BONDI I think I go, maybe I go
a little soft. Her record was not good in her
first year. It just wasn't. But then again, I'm saying that, right,
So that's where I would come down on that on
(05:38):
the but on the most important thing in Trump, I
wanna hennes to you because I think our callers hit
like this is the zeit. This is what's so critical
right now, because if it goes wrong, it goes wrong
in the midterms of the midterms, goes wrong, the Trump
agenda's over. Okay, the party's over, folks, We're gonna GE's
gonna get ugly after the midterms if we lose the House,
and certainly if we lose the House in the Senate, Clay,
it's like Trump is the chief poker play and he
(06:01):
has put a whole mound of chips in the front,
in the middle of the table on this Iran thing.
If he wins, if he gets this done, I mean,
that's amazing. So I'm not going to hit a guy.
I'm not going to come after a guy for making
a bit. It's a big gamble, a big bet before
we know what's happened. Now, would I have made the bet? No,
(06:22):
But I'm not Donald Trump, and I'm not the commander
in chief him putting all these chips on the table
this way, Clay to me, if it comes back a
big win, great, if it comes back snake, Guys, we
will hold the administration to account as much as we
can here, and you know, God help our country because
we're going to have some tough, tough conversations ahead. When
Democrats take control because that's what I see happening.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So I have obviously a lot of thoughts. Unfortunately we
have a big show so we can share most of them. Look,
I think Trump, if you want to criticize him, has
been trying to fix too many things simultaneous. There's a
lot of broken things out there. I think we also
live in an era where whatever Trump does, there is
(07:08):
a concerted opposition of people that's brains are broken, that
are lined up to convince you that it's the worst
thing they've ever seen. Right now, we have been at
war with Iran for six weeks. Thirteen American soldiers have died.
I wish that we had lost no life at all
in this event that we're currently in with Iran, but
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that is one of the most successful operations of war
in the history of the United States. Joe Biden couldn't
leave Afghanistan without thirteen people dying. Forty plus people have
died and been murdered in Chicago since this war started.
If you had to choose whether you wanted to be
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an American soldier fighting in Iran or just a regular
American living in some neighborhoods on the South side of Chicago.
It's almost to the point, seriously where the danger on
the south side of Chicago is higher than the danger
in the skies above Iran.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
To be fair clay, though, people would say, you know,
if you live in Chicago, you have to live where
you live. We didn't have to, we didn't have to
start an air campaign against Iran. Right, so's their position
isn't that it's so few casualties, or whether it is
few or not. The position of those who are upset
with Trump is it should be zero. We should not
have lost a single American life in this well. And
(08:29):
that goes through the argument of whether you trust Trump
with the decision that he has made in Iran. I
see all of these connected. I see Venezuela, I see Cuba,
I see Iran connected directly. And I think Trump is
seeing governments that are opposed to basic human rights and freedom,
that are close to toppling, and he has decided he's going
(08:51):
to take him out while he can.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Now, Venezuela seems to be going fantastically well. There's almost
zero discussion about what's going on in Venezuela. That's a
sign that things are going really well. Cuba if we
hadn't allowed Russia to deliver a couple of ships there
basically wouldn't have been able to even continue to exist
as a country. We can at any point in time,
(09:13):
I believe, decide what's going to happen in Cuba with Iran.
Trump believes, and again, you don't have to sign onto this,
although I do think there's some cogency to this that
because of the power of Iran to control some so.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Much of the the flow of oil and.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Gas that there is basically a surcharge on what oil
and gas costs because of their government and the fact
that they can't be relied upon. And as a result,
he believes that if there is a more stable government,
that we do not worry about having nuclear weapons, that
things will be better for American commerce in the years ahead.
(09:52):
To me, again, this is overreach. The easiest thing for
Trump to have done was just show up, not really
rocked the boat very much, and as a result, there
wouldn't be these risks he's taking. And this I think
is the number one way to really sum it up.
I think Trump sees what happened with North Korea, and
I think Bill Clinton regrets the way that he handled
(10:14):
North Korea, and Trump wants to solve the problem of
Iran potentially having nuclear weapons. If we could go back
in time, I bet if we got Bill Clinton on
this program, and other than sexual relations with Monica in
the White House, right of the decisions that Bill Clinton
made that were directly related to American foreign policy, I
(10:35):
bet I went back and read all about this, Buck,
I bet he wishes that Jimmy Carter hadn't parachuted into
North Korea. For those of you who forgot how this
all went, Trump, I mean, Clinton was all prepared to
attack North Korea and try to wipe out their nuclear ambitions,
and then Jimmy Carter said, I'm going to go meet
with the North Koreans and I'll get us a deal.
(10:57):
And he did that, and he went in, and the
deal was that North Korea was never going to have
nuclear weapons. And Buck, what did they do? They got
nuclear weapons. It is both eminently rational for North Korea
and for Iran to want nuclear weapons because it guarantees
the government will be in power forever, and eminently rational
for countries like ours to want Iran to not join
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North Korea and to keep them from ever having nuclear weapons.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Trump could have punted on this whole thing. Buck. He
could have just said, hey, I'm out in twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I will let the rest of the world deal with
with whether Iran has nuclear weapons in the future. I
think Trump is genuinely trying to fix things for generations
that he's not going to live to see. And that
is a substantial overreach and ambition and intent. And if
it doesn't pan out to your point, he's put a
lot of chips in the table. And some people are
(11:48):
going to say he should have just left Iran alone.
North Korea's got nuclear weapons, what do we care? What
do we care if Iran gets nuclear weapons? I think
there's some people who would say that.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I just feel like there are a lot of people
who are declaring this amazing or awful when they don't
know the score. We don't know, and so how can
you be in a position that that's just people looking
for a way to justify their own view of Midie's policy,
their own view of Trump. There is still a possibility here,
(12:23):
I think a high I think it's a probability better
than fifty to fifty. I wouldn't say it's a short
thing that Trump manages to completely change the trajectory of
the Middle East and put an end to the Middle East.
Can never be stable. It's just like a perpetual warfare.
Jihatis blow themselves up, crazy crazy zone. Okay, there's a
(12:43):
possibility that he changes that trajectory in a way that
is a once in a lifetime opportunity. There's also a
possibility that this thing continues to be a little bit
of a mess, and maybe he does more damage to Iran.
Maybe he lands some US troops on the shores of
hor Moves because they want open horror moves. Maybe we
(13:05):
take some more losses and things get uglier and worse,
and he gets absolutely shellacked in the midterms for this,
and then we will know that it was not a
good gamble. Right, Yes, we don't know yet, and I'm
just trying to be honest with you about that. There's
some people that want us to say it's amazing. Some
people want us to say it's terrible. We talk about
what has happened and what we think is happening, but
(13:29):
tomorrow is going to be very different from today in
terms of the scoreboard for Iran. I know, I'm sorry
that you know it's a war and it's not a game.
But in terms of the uh, the wisdom or lack
thereof of this entire operation. We'll see what happens with
this red line tonight. But because this is serious stuff,
I don't think it's I don't think it's intellectually honest
to just get dug into one side and either take
(13:52):
out the pom poms or take out the sledgehammer and
pretend like that's being fair to this situation. I do
have faith, Clay still, Trump will pull this thing out.
If he doesn't, we will say that this was a
blunder and it will be apparent to everyone then. But
I feel like pre judging the outcome from our perspective
doesn't do any what's the point of that.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I'll just give you this prediction for tonight. If Trump
announces that there's a deal, the same people who said
he's gonna nuke Iran are going to be upset and
say the deal isn't good enough. Just a prediction, like
what perspective of reasoned analysis could lead you to he's
gonna nuke ran to if he doesn't nuke Iran and
(14:35):
he announces a peace deal, they're gonna say the peace
deal isn't good enough.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I can tell you exactly what their reaction is going
to be.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I would rather be wrong in my analysis or my
assessment and have good things happen for America then the
other way around. Unfortunately, not a lot of people in
our business are acting like that recently, because whatever happens,
they're kind of rooting against Trump on this one. And
I'm in from the right, and to me, that's just
that's something that we would never tolerate in terms of
(15:03):
the commentary from Democrats without the harshest of rejoinders. But
there are people that just want to be right about
this thing, which means they hope that Trump fails and.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
A lot of troops die, and a lot of troops die,
like they would celebrate if fifty American troops die.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
If you want to hammer Trump after this thing turns
into debacle, yeah, and that's why we have elections, and yeah,
then we'll know. But to make predictions and then claim
that you're on the side of the angels here when
your predictions are all of calamity, I don't understand that.
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Speaker 1 (18:57):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Bucks show. Okay, as we
await the eight pm deadline of President Trump, we will
take a bunch of your call for.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
You, and I'm going to try to go in the
order of.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, I can't even tell how long you've been waiting,
so tough break there, but let's start with I know
Dave and Logan Utah has been waiting a little while,
so let me start with him. Dave, appreciate you going,
you listening what you got for us.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (19:25):
Well, first of all, let me say I'm glad to
hold and wait. I appreciate you guys. I appreciate you
raising the bar on the networks too. I'm calling because
you know, you mentioned the rep who's bringing up the
impeachment again against Trump and all these blue states that
are talking about prosecuting Trump administration members once Trump is
(19:47):
out of office and the next administration is in if
it's democratic administration. So I was wondering, other than you know,
continually having Republicans in office, which I wish would happen,
is there anything from you guys perspective, that can be
done either by Congress, by the President, or by the
people to prevent Democrats from retroactively going back and prosecuting
(20:11):
these members of the administration for doing them with their
job is protecting America and trying to make America great.
Makes me sick what they're trying to do. But I'm
wondering if there's anything that you guys can think of
that can be done to help protect those members of
the administration.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Thank you for the call don't put democrats in power.
I think that that might be the only thing you
can do.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Well.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I know, I think that Trump is going to and
this is uh, this has been coming for a while,
but I think Trump is going to end up having
to give uh pardons to a lot of members of
his administration. But this is going to create uh, this
is going to be tough because Democrats will come in
(20:51):
and they'll get ready to do that, and they'll do
really bad stuff and then they'll have I mean, look
at look at Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden's a criminal, obviously,
I mean, committed many many crimes and got pardoned by
Daddy on his way out along with others.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
And there's no question.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Although I know it's alleged, but I mean, come on,
there's no question about what Hunter Biden was doing. But
now I think we're we're in a world where you're
going to have to have prevent preemptive, preventative pardons by Trump.
I think he's going to have to pardon Pete Hegg
again when I say pardon, pardon in advance, Yeah, Pete
hag Seth, He's going to have to part in the
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whole range of people because they were part of his administration.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I think you are likely correct, And by the way,
I think it will become standard that all presidents of
all parties just start issuing blanket pardons to a large
extent for it.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
But here's what he should do administration.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
He should he should have the pardons in such a
way that it is pardon for any and all you know,
future that that may that may have allegedly occurred in
the course of his official duties, which of course you
shouldn't need a pardon for.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
But I think that's where I think that's what we're
heading toward.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
It also raises the question, and again this is the
legal nerd in me, to what extent are preemptive pardons
legal because typically the president has the power to pardon,
and usually the way we see it used is for
charges that have occurred or charge investigations that are ongoing,
for some form of specific element of a of a
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of an Act, whereas preemptive pardons are just like kind
of blanket. And I think there's probably going to be
court challenges on some of those. All right, let's keep
going down the list. Here, Tom in Florida, I think,
was the next man up on the on the team here, Tom,
what you got for us?
Speaker 9 (22:52):
Well, you talk about the Democrats like they're crazy in
their way out there, and I think you're being extraordinarily
kind because I can say the glee slimings bunch of
people on planet Earth. They hate this country, they hate
the constitution, they root against everything that's going on in
the country. And having said that, between now and twenty forty,
(23:15):
would you guys agree that the Democrats are going to
take over the House, the Senate, and the Presidency all
at once at some point in time, and if week
it happens, I think they promised that they'd in the
filibuster first packed the Supreme Court with six morons like
the Tanjie Brown Jackson. Second, add two senators in Washington,
two senators in Puerto Rico, seven congressmen. And then the
(23:39):
fourth thing that they'll do is that they'll naturalize every
illegal immigrant in this country.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
And the Republicans will never ever win another election in history.
And why want you to tell me what you think
this country is going to look like when and if
that happens.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Okay, there's a lot there. Thank you for the call,
block I would I had a lot of money that
between now and twenty forty, so you got twenty eight
thirty two thirty six forty, that's four different election cycles.
Tell me if you would sign off on this, I
think it's very likely that in the next twelve years,
that Democrats six to fourteen years, that Democrats will have
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the House, the Senate, and the presidency at some point
in time the next twelve years. I bet you would
also not we're rooting, We're not rooting for it, But
I bet you would agree with me on that. If
you're giving odds on it, I mean the odds are
pretty high. I don't think anyone could really give precise odds,
but yeah, it's certainly a concern. I think it's high
and then to the point that he he said, which
we have said for some time. I think there are
(24:40):
a lot of Republicans right now saying I'm going to
stay committed to the principle of requiring effectively, and I
know there's exemptions and all these different things, sixty votes
to really get anything passed in the Senate, right, I
think Democrats will do away with that as soon as
they have the presidency, the House, in the I think
(25:00):
they will toss that filibuster on the dumpster fire of history,
and when they have the ability to use power, they
will do you have it? Would you also sign off
on that being likely if they get the ability to
get the majority again.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah, they'll I think they'll go for the juggular and
try to create a one party state. I don't I
don't think our call is wrong at all. I think
that's the plan. I think that has been the plan
for quite some time. I think that's the real plan.
With the legal immigration, I might add, we always talk
about this like, well, what do we do to slow
it down? And how do we enforce the law? And
everything else. They still want mass amnesty, and the party
that delivers mass amnesty knows that they'll be able to
(25:38):
count on seventy eighty percent of the vote of the amnesty,
maybe one hundred percent, who knows, but something close to that.
But that's the plan to transform the electorate in this country,
and it's it's an effort to create a one party state.
And I am very concerned about that. So the amount
(26:00):
of time that we have here to try to set
things right. And this is I think why a lot
of people also were so fired up about the Save
America Act and it's not going to pass. And we've
been saying this so long. Remember year one, we told
you the Trump administration as he was getting stuff done
and things were going well, he said, this is great
(26:21):
on task, but enjoy this.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
I told you.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I said, the communists are going to come back. The
pendulum will swing in the other direction. This is just
the nature of our political reality in this country. And Clay, here,
here's a caller from This is a talkback e from
a caller in Fresno, California, who was referring to the
young guy I think from Ohio who was very frustrated
with Trump on Iran and a few other things. This
(26:46):
is a response to that play.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
E that last callers tom Bs.
Speaker 10 (26:50):
Trump did everything he did on his agenda in one
year almost he did everything, either the Big Bill or
Executive Order, and it's up to the rest of the
Senate and Republicans to qualify it.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
That's not his.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
He can't do anything about that.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
He did what he said.
Speaker 11 (27:06):
First off, that kid who said, like, you know, his
generation or his people got Trump elected. No, we all
got Trump elected. And part of the agenda I wanted
taken care of was Iran. I've been waiting decades for
someone to do this to Iran. So and for you
guys to say, if things go bad from here it
was a blunder because he loses the midterms. I'm sorry,
(27:27):
but decapitating Iran is more important than the midterms.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Okay, a few things.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
One I said it depends on how bad it gets
if we have US troops that end up being deployed
to Iran and for this can get really I don't
think it will. But again I think that was Allison
from La Listens on a KiB Clay. We're not getting
ahead of where the story actually is and where things
actually are right now, and you say that right now
(27:56):
about losing the Okay.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Democrats win. Let's say the Democrats.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Democrats win the House and the Senate of the midterms,
now you're talking about no more Trump judges, no more
Trump appointees, maybe a Supreme Court vacancy opens up, and
they have to navigate through that situation, and it means
that you have impeachment hearings and the end of the
Trump agenda here at home, here at home. And I
(28:19):
think part of the problem here is that, you know,
you got Fox News and some very loud voices that
are totally focused on Iran right now. I understand why,
and so the GOP faithful are like, Okay, there's a
lot of media attention on Iran. People care about what's
happening here in America more than what is happening in Iran,
more than what the risk I think of Iranian nuclear
(28:43):
capability is when it comes to who they're going to
vote for. So I think that's very valid. Anyway, I
didn't say it was going to go bad, just to
be clear. I just said if it does go really
bad and we lose, then we'll see if people think
that this Iran situation was worth it. I'm also at
if we don't get the concessions if we don't get
(29:04):
the agreement, I Ron's going to try to start building
nukes again everybody, and they're gonna have a lot of
money when the oil starts to flow.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
It's not over. Here's what I would say.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
In general, Trump is making decisions that may not pay
off beneficially for decades, and I think we live in
such a short term.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Attention span world.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
That's why I like to go back and look at
North Korea if we could, I guarantee you, I'd love
to have Bill Clinton on and to ask him this question.
I bet he would say, and he may have said
it publicly, since I wish that I had done something
instead of listening to Jimmy Carter, I wish that I
had taken out North Korea's ability to ever have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
He probably also would say I wish I hadn't bombed
an aspirin factory in Sudan to distract from Monica's testimony
at the grand jury, just saying.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
There's probably a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I think you would probably say, I wish I'd taken
out Osama Bin Lauden. Right, there's lots of things that
you could point to that he would like to change.
I think Trump is trying to make decisions, which is honestly, again,
this is why the scope and the reach of what
Trump is trying to do is actually the exact opposite
of a lot of what people say.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Trump is doing.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You know this if you study history, most authoritarian dictators
are obsessed with what occurs while they are in office,
and that means that they oftentimes do not make great
decisions for the decades into the future. Most of the time,
Trump is trying to make decisions right now that are
(30:35):
beneficial for decades to come. That frankly, he's probably not
going to benefit from politically, and you could agree or
disagree with that context. Venezuela. To me, Aaron and Cuba
are all connected in that way. I also think there's
not enough discussion. You mentioned this, Buck, but I do
think it's significant. Whatever you think of Trump, Marco Rubio,
(30:58):
I think has done a phenomenal job as Secretary of State.
I think that Pete Hegseth has done a really good
job as Secretary of War, and certainly JD. Vance has
been very supportive I think Trump. And then if you
want to toss in Treasury Secretary Scott Bessett, if you
want to talk about the top five guys that Trump
has right now at the top of his team. I
think you can make a real argument that they are
the most competent, most intelligent, you know, quintuplet that we
(31:23):
have seen running the United States government in a very,
very long time. I don't think that's a crazy take
at all. And so the idea that Trump is just
this mad king and nobody else is able to help
him make decisions, I think, frankly is just is just
absolutely insane.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Bush Cheney, Rumsfeld had a lot of acclaim yeah that
went well that I'm just saying. I'm just saying, we
gotta keep it real here. You know, the resume doesn't
necessarily translate into the results. Again, I think, but for
so many people here and I feel the same way
on this. Somebody asks me right now, would I bet
if I were betting, and I'm just hopeful that this
(32:00):
goes well because I'm I bet on America, right, But
if you're asking me if I were like my last
dollar I had to put on whether Trump pulls us
through this and it ends up being a win, a
true win or not, I would say, yeah, I think
Trump's gonna pull this out.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
But we're not there yet. You got to get the
straight open.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
That's why Trump's tweeting, get the straight open or I'm
gonna destroy your entire civilization.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
So there's still some work to be done, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
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Speaker 4 (33:58):
Welcome back in here too, Play and Buck. We want
to get some of your calls and get to some
of the latest thoughts on everything going on in in Iran,
but also want to know we are going to have
the Secretary of HHS, Robert Kennedy Junior, will be joining
us in the second or in the second half of
(34:21):
the next hour. We're talking about a lot of the
MAHA Make America Healthy Again agenda I want to ask
him about peptides. I want to ask them all kinds
of things. Where's the FDA on this stuff? Where all
these cures we've got AI now that the world of
health is about to get a whole lot more interesting
and I think data driven, and there'll be more access
for people to this stuff than ever before.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
So that's really unique.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
And we can also ask him whether he thinks Clay
is going to be able to continue to bench more
than his sons for the foreseeable future. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure. Some of these boys are looking pretty robust. Clay,
I'm nervous.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I was just telling you off air that I'm gonna
end up tearing my rotator cuffs and stuff trying to
make sure I can still bench more than they can
because they they have the advantage of youth on their side,
and they're getting a lot stronger very rapidly.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
So I didn't think I was.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Going to be challenged for strength superiority in the house
this soon. But the fifteen year old is coming for
my title. You know, Carrie and I have started doing
yoga together, which is really fun. I have to say,
it's really good. I've learned I am not flexible.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Is it for yoga or just no, just playing plane
like slow eat. It's like bait.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
I would say, I'm doing yoga for old people, which
makes sense you and her or you in a class. Yes,
we have an instructor, okay, the two of us with
the instructor. No, I wouldn't do it in front of
other people because I was wondering. Yeah, no, No, I've
had bad memories.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I tried to.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I tried to just jump into a class once at
a big commercial gym in New York, and I look
like I was having a heart attack in the back.
They kept saying chuttar unga, and I'm like, shutta.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
What, shutta what? I have no idea what's going on here?
I was like sweating profusely.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I Uh, it's funny you mentioned that because this morning
I was getting ready and there's I guess a clip
that's gone viral and it probably circles back around in
a bunch of different times. But there's just an old
Have you seen this video? There's an old guy just
standing outside of a yoga studio and just there's a
huge collection of really good looking women in tight clothes
doing yoga poses. And he just stops and stands there,
(36:34):
and they come and they're like, you have to keep moving, sir,
And so I'm thinking of myself.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Poor guys out for a walk.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
He didn't know he was gonna see fifteen gorgeous girls
in spandex doing yoga, poses stops to look.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Next thing, you know, he's mega viral on the internet.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Gotta keep your head on the swile out there, kids,
He was just checking out their cheddar ungas.
Welcome back in our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton show.
As we wait for the deadline eight pm Eastern on
bated breath, people are in my mentions. I just jumped
in on social media. Buck, We're going to take some
of your calls. We got a bunch of different interesting
calls here, but they're saying Trump is going to drop
(00:24):
a nuclear bomb on Iran. I will wager any amount
of money that anybody out there listening has that we
will not drop a nuclear bomb on Iran. And I
feel very very confident about this. But if some of
you have lots of money that you want to put
on the line here, I think your brains are broken
(00:47):
if you are arguing, oh my god, Trump is going
to drop a nuclear bomb on Iran. But there's actually
a lot of people out there, Buck arguing Trump will
drop a nuclear bomb on Iran. Markets, by the way,
actually pretty calm. The oil market not moving very much
at all, the stock market not moving very much at all.
There is a sort of genuine, I think, comfort that
(01:13):
nothing crazy is going to happen. And we will see
at eight pm Eastern tonight or maybe before. I will
mention Todd Blanche, who is the acting Attorney General. Is
having a press conference right now at the Department of Justice.
We are monitoring that being covered live by Fox News.
He is the acting Attorney General, replacing Pambondi, and we
(01:35):
will update you if any major news comes out of that.
But Buck, we got a bunch of callers here and
I thought they had several different interesting takes here. And Taylor,
I'll start with Taylor. Taylor is from Columbus, Ohio. He
says he voted for President Trump three times, that you
(01:56):
are an independent, but that you are upset at both
Buck and me because we are not tough enough on Trump. Taylor,
you have the floor from Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, you know, I actually think you guys are way
better than anybody else in conservative media because you actually
will call a spade to spade, which is why I
keep listening to you guys. But it just feels like
every time I turn on the.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Other guys Fox News, it's just one big cheerleading gush fest.
And I'll tell you it's people like me who came
out in droves in twenty twenty four and gave Trump
in the GOP a total mandate.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
And you hit it on the head last segment at
the Democrats were to get a mandate like that, like
what we saw Trump get in twenty twenty four, it
would steamroll this country with the agenda. And I gotta say, guys,
Pam BONDI was an utter disaster. Christy Nome, total disaster.
All this COVID fraud, all this Medicare fraud, Somali fraud,
(03:04):
election fraud, It's been totally forgotten about seeing me by
this administration. Now we're facing a war that if this
goes off the rails with Iran. I'm telling you, people
in my generation do not have a stomach for this.
And I'm asking you, guys, because I think you're the
best at what you do on this side of things.
Who is holding the Trump administration accountable? Because we are
(03:26):
the ones who gave him this mandate. And I'll tell
you there are millions of people like me who at
this point are are thinking of sitting this one out
in the midterms. So, Taylor, this Iran things. I want
to see how this Iran thing plays out. But I
think someone needs to get in Trump's here and say, hey,
we gave you this mandate, you need to start delivering
(03:48):
on these things.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
So here's here's what I would say, Taylor. First of all,
really appreciate the call and also the words of support
for the show because it means a lot to us
because Clay and I, especially in the internet ecosystem, you know,
we're very fortunate thanks to iHeart that we're on almost
six hundred radio stations. But also we operate in the
online space like other people do. And these days, the
way to get attention and clicks in the online space
(04:11):
on the right is to just be insane. It's to
just be completely nuts, say wild stuff, no accountability, make
crazy predictions. Say I will bet my career that space
aliens will land tomorrow. They will rip off their humanoid faces,
they will be lizards, and they will say we are
actually all obeying Hillary Clinton. Like I can say that,
(04:32):
and that's interesting. But then tomorrow comes and I would
hope that the audience would hold me to account, but
that doesn't happen anymore on the right. So I'll just
I'll put that out there first and foremost. So I
appreciate you and others because they're choosing to listen to
this show instead of some of the crap that's out there.
Make those distinctions. So thank you, and I really mean
this in the bottom of my heart. It speaks well
to your discernment and your intellect. Okay, so there's that
(04:56):
Beyond that, everything that you've said I think is completely fair.
You know, I'm maybe too nice sometimes about people, especially
if I think they're well intentioned. I think it's a
general thing in my analysis that maybe is you know,
in political commentary, could be a shortcoming. Quite honestly, if
I feel like someone's a good person. Look, christinoam shot
(05:16):
her dog. She got no there was no quarter, no
benefit for me after that thing. Okay, I didn't like that,
and we we had that out on the show, and
everyone knows how I feel about it, and among other things,
by the way, not just the dog shooting. But so
with Pam BONDI I think I go, maybe I go
a little soft. Her record was not good in her
first year. It just wasn't. But then again, I'm saying that, right,
So that's where I would come down on that on
(05:38):
the but on the most important thing in Trump, I
wanna hennes to you because I think our callers hit
like this is the zeit. This is what's so critical
right now, because if it goes wrong, it goes wrong
in the midterms of the midterms, goes wrong, the Trump
agenda's over. Okay, the party's over, folks, We're gonna GE's
gonna get ugly after the midterms if we lose the House,
and certainly if we lose the House in the Senate, Clay,
it's like Trump is the chief poker play and he
(06:01):
has put a whole mound of chips in the front,
in the middle of the table on this Iran thing.
If he wins, if he gets this done, I mean,
that's amazing. So I'm not going to hit a guy.
I'm not going to come after a guy for making
a bit. It's a big gamble, a big bet before
we know what's happened. Now, would I have made the bet? No,
(06:22):
But I'm not Donald Trump, and I'm not the commander
in chief him putting all these chips on the table
this way, Clay to me, if it comes back a
big win, great, if it comes back snake, Guys, we
will hold the administration to account as much as we
can here, and you know, God help our country because
we're going to have some tough, tough conversations ahead. When
Democrats take control because that's what I see happening.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So I have obviously a lot of thoughts. Unfortunately we
have a big show so we can share most of them. Look,
I think Trump, if you want to criticize him, has
been trying to fix too many things simultaneous. There's a
lot of broken things out there. I think we also
live in an era where whatever Trump does, there is
(07:08):
a concerted opposition of people that's brains are broken, that
are lined up to convince you that it's the worst
thing they've ever seen. Right now, we have been at
war with Iran for six weeks. Thirteen American soldiers have died.
I wish that we had lost no life at all
in this event that we're currently in with Iran, but
(07:32):
that is one of the most successful operations of war
in the history of the United States. Joe Biden couldn't
leave Afghanistan without thirteen people dying. Forty plus people have
died and been murdered in Chicago since this war started.
If you had to choose whether you wanted to be
(07:53):
an American soldier fighting in Iran or just a regular
American living in some neighborhoods on the South side of Chicago.
It's almost to the point, seriously where the danger on
the south side of Chicago is higher than the danger
in the skies above Iran.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
To be fair clay, though, people would say, you know,
if you live in Chicago, you have to live where
you live. We didn't have to, we didn't have to
start an air campaign against Iran. Right, so's their position
isn't that it's so few casualties, or whether it is
few or not. The position of those who are upset
with Trump is it should be zero. We should not
have lost a single American life in this well. And
(08:29):
that goes through the argument of whether you trust Trump
with the decision that he has made in Iran. I
see all of these connected. I see Venezuela, I see Cuba,
I see Iran connected directly. And I think Trump is
seeing governments that are opposed to basic human rights and freedom,
that are close to toppling, and he has decided he's going
(08:51):
to take him out while he can.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Now, Venezuela seems to be going fantastically well. There's almost
zero discussion about what's going on in Venezuela. That's a
sign that things are going really well. Cuba if we
hadn't allowed Russia to deliver a couple of ships there
basically wouldn't have been able to even continue to exist
as a country. We can at any point in time,
(09:13):
I believe, decide what's going to happen in Cuba with Iran.
Trump believes, and again, you don't have to sign onto this,
although I do think there's some cogency to this that
because of the power of Iran to control some so.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Much of the the flow of oil and.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Gas that there is basically a surcharge on what oil
and gas costs because of their government and the fact
that they can't be relied upon. And as a result,
he believes that if there is a more stable government,
that we do not worry about having nuclear weapons, that
things will be better for American commerce in the years ahead.
(09:52):
To me, again, this is overreach. The easiest thing for
Trump to have done was just show up, not really
rocked the boat very much, and as a result, there
wouldn't be these risks he's taking. And this I think
is the number one way to really sum it up.
I think Trump sees what happened with North Korea, and
I think Bill Clinton regrets the way that he handled
(10:14):
North Korea, and Trump wants to solve the problem of
Iran potentially having nuclear weapons. If we could go back
in time, I bet if we got Bill Clinton on
this program, and other than sexual relations with Monica in
the White House, right of the decisions that Bill Clinton
made that were directly related to American foreign policy, I
(10:35):
bet I went back and read all about this, Buck,
I bet he wishes that Jimmy Carter hadn't parachuted into
North Korea. For those of you who forgot how this
all went, Trump, I mean, Clinton was all prepared to
attack North Korea and try to wipe out their nuclear ambitions,
and then Jimmy Carter said, I'm going to go meet
with the North Koreans and I'll get us a deal.
(10:57):
And he did that, and he went in, and the
deal was that North Korea was never going to have
nuclear weapons. And Buck, what did they do? They got
nuclear weapons. It is both eminently rational for North Korea
and for Iran to want nuclear weapons because it guarantees
the government will be in power forever, and eminently rational
for countries like ours to want Iran to not join
(11:19):
North Korea and to keep them from ever having nuclear weapons.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Trump could have punted on this whole thing. Buck. He
could have just said, hey, I'm out in twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I will let the rest of the world deal with
with whether Iran has nuclear weapons in the future. I
think Trump is genuinely trying to fix things for generations
that he's not going to live to see. And that
is a substantial overreach and ambition and intent. And if
it doesn't pan out to your point, he's put a
lot of chips in the table. And some people are
(11:48):
going to say he should have just left Iran alone.
North Korea's got nuclear weapons, what do we care? What
do we care if Iran gets nuclear weapons? I think
there's some people who would say that.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I just feel like there are a lot of people
who are declaring this amazing or awful when they don't
know the score. We don't know, and so how can
you be in a position that that's just people looking
for a way to justify their own view of Midie's policy,
their own view of Trump. There is still a possibility here,
(12:23):
I think a high I think it's a probability better
than fifty to fifty. I wouldn't say it's a short
thing that Trump manages to completely change the trajectory of
the Middle East and put an end to the Middle East.
Can never be stable. It's just like a perpetual warfare.
Jihatis blow themselves up, crazy crazy zone. Okay, there's a
(12:43):
possibility that he changes that trajectory in a way that
is a once in a lifetime opportunity. There's also a
possibility that this thing continues to be a little bit
of a mess, and maybe he does more damage to Iran.
Maybe he lands some US troops on the shores of
hor Moves because they want open horror moves. Maybe we
(13:05):
take some more losses and things get uglier and worse,
and he gets absolutely shellacked in the midterms for this,
and then we will know that it was not a
good gamble. Right, Yes, we don't know yet, and I'm
just trying to be honest with you about that. There's
some people that want us to say it's amazing. Some
people want us to say it's terrible. We talk about
what has happened and what we think is happening, but
(13:29):
tomorrow is going to be very different from today in
terms of the scoreboard for Iran. I know, I'm sorry
that you know it's a war and it's not a game.
But in terms of the uh, the wisdom or lack
thereof of this entire operation. We'll see what happens with
this red line tonight. But because this is serious stuff,
I don't think it's I don't think it's intellectually honest
to just get dug into one side and either take
(13:52):
out the pom poms or take out the sledgehammer and
pretend like that's being fair to this situation. I do
have faith, Clay still, Trump will pull this thing out.
If he doesn't, we will say that this was a
blunder and it will be apparent to everyone then. But
I feel like pre judging the outcome from our perspective
doesn't do any what's the point of that.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I'll just give you this prediction for tonight. If Trump
announces that there's a deal, the same people who said
he's gonna nuke Iran are going to be upset and
say the deal isn't good enough. Just a prediction, like
what perspective of reasoned analysis could lead you to he's
gonna nuke ran to if he doesn't nuke Iran and
(14:35):
he announces a peace deal, they're gonna say the peace
deal isn't good enough.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I can tell you exactly what their reaction is going
to be.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I would rather be wrong in my analysis or my
assessment and have good things happen for America then the
other way around. Unfortunately, not a lot of people in
our business are acting like that recently, because whatever happens,
they're kind of rooting against Trump on this one. And
I'm in from the right, and to me, that's just
that's something that we would never tolerate in terms of
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there are people that just want to be right about
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Speaker 1 (15:11):
A lot of troops die, and a lot of troops die,
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Speaker 4 (15:18):
If you want to hammer Trump after this thing turns
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Speaker 1 (18:57):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Bucks show. Okay, as we
await the eight pm deadline of President Trump, we will
take a bunch of your call for.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
You, and I'm going to try to go in the
order of.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, I can't even tell how long you've been waiting,
so tough break there, but let's start with I know
Dave and Logan Utah has been waiting a little while,
so let me start with him. Dave, appreciate you going,
you listening what you got for us.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (19:25):
Well, first of all, let me say I'm glad to
hold and wait. I appreciate you guys. I appreciate you
raising the bar on the networks too. I'm calling because
you know, you mentioned the rep who's bringing up the
impeachment again against Trump and all these blue states that
are talking about prosecuting Trump administration members once Trump is
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out of office and the next administration is in if
it's democratic administration. So I was wondering, other than you know,
continually having Republicans in office, which I wish would happen,
is there anything from you guys perspective, that can be
done either by Congress, by the President, or by the
people to prevent Democrats from retroactively going back and prosecuting
(20:11):
these members of the administration for doing them with their
job is protecting America and trying to make America great.
Makes me sick what they're trying to do. But I'm
wondering if there's anything that you guys can think of
that can be done to help protect those members of
the administration.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Thank you for the call don't put democrats in power.
I think that that might be the only thing you
can do.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Well.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I know, I think that Trump is going to and
this is uh, this has been coming for a while,
but I think Trump is going to end up having
to give uh pardons to a lot of members of
his administration. But this is going to create uh, this
is going to be tough because Democrats will come in
(20:51):
and they'll get ready to do that, and they'll do
really bad stuff and then they'll have I mean, look
at look at Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden's a criminal, obviously,
I mean, committed many many crimes and got pardoned by
Daddy on his way out along with others.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
And there's no question.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Although I know it's alleged, but I mean, come on,
there's no question about what Hunter Biden was doing. But
now I think we're we're in a world where you're
going to have to have prevent preemptive, preventative pardons by Trump.
I think he's going to have to pardon Pete Hegg
again when I say pardon, pardon in advance, Yeah, Pete
hag Seth, He's going to have to part in the
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whole range of people because they were part of his administration.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I think you are likely correct, And by the way,
I think it will become standard that all presidents of
all parties just start issuing blanket pardons to a large
extent for it.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
But here's what he should do administration.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
He should he should have the pardons in such a
way that it is pardon for any and all you know,
future that that may that may have allegedly occurred in
the course of his official duties, which of course you
shouldn't need a pardon for.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
But I think that's where I think that's what we're
heading toward.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
It also raises the question, and again this is the
legal nerd in me, to what extent are preemptive pardons
legal because typically the president has the power to pardon,
and usually the way we see it used is for
charges that have occurred or charge investigations that are ongoing,
for some form of specific element of a of a
(22:32):
of an Act, whereas preemptive pardons are just like kind
of blanket. And I think there's probably going to be
court challenges on some of those. All right, let's keep
going down the list. Here, Tom in Florida, I think,
was the next man up on the on the team here, Tom,
what you got for us?
Speaker 9 (22:52):
Well, you talk about the Democrats like they're crazy in
their way out there, and I think you're being extraordinarily
kind because I can say the glee slimings bunch of
people on planet Earth. They hate this country, they hate
the constitution, they root against everything that's going on in
the country. And having said that, between now and twenty forty,
(23:15):
would you guys agree that the Democrats are going to
take over the House, the Senate, and the Presidency all
at once at some point in time, and if week
it happens, I think they promised that they'd in the
filibuster first packed the Supreme Court with six morons like
the Tanjie Brown Jackson. Second, add two senators in Washington,
two senators in Puerto Rico, seven congressmen. And then the
(23:39):
fourth thing that they'll do is that they'll naturalize every
illegal immigrant in this country.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
And the Republicans will never ever win another election in history.
And why want you to tell me what you think
this country is going to look like when and if
that happens.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Okay, there's a lot there. Thank you for the call,
block I would I had a lot of money that
between now and twenty forty, so you got twenty eight
thirty two thirty six forty, that's four different election cycles.
Tell me if you would sign off on this, I
think it's very likely that in the next twelve years,
that Democrats six to fourteen years, that Democrats will have
(24:18):
the House, the Senate, and the presidency at some point
in time the next twelve years. I bet you would
also not we're rooting, We're not rooting for it, But
I bet you would agree with me on that. If
you're giving odds on it, I mean the odds are
pretty high. I don't think anyone could really give precise odds,
but yeah, it's certainly a concern. I think it's high
and then to the point that he he said, which
we have said for some time. I think there are
(24:40):
a lot of Republicans right now saying I'm going to
stay committed to the principle of requiring effectively, and I
know there's exemptions and all these different things, sixty votes
to really get anything passed in the Senate, right, I
think Democrats will do away with that as soon as
they have the presidency, the House, in the I think
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they will toss that filibuster on the dumpster fire of history,
and when they have the ability to use power, they
will do you have it? Would you also sign off
on that being likely if they get the ability to
get the majority again.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah, they'll I think they'll go for the juggular and
try to create a one party state. I don't I
don't think our call is wrong at all. I think
that's the plan. I think that has been the plan
for quite some time. I think that's the real plan.
With the legal immigration, I might add, we always talk
about this like, well, what do we do to slow
it down? And how do we enforce the law? And
everything else. They still want mass amnesty, and the party
that delivers mass amnesty knows that they'll be able to
(25:38):
count on seventy eighty percent of the vote of the amnesty,
maybe one hundred percent, who knows, but something close to that.
But that's the plan to transform the electorate in this country,
and it's it's an effort to create a one party state.
And I am very concerned about that. So the amount
(26:00):
of time that we have here to try to set
things right. And this is I think why a lot
of people also were so fired up about the Save
America Act and it's not going to pass. And we've
been saying this so long. Remember year one, we told
you the Trump administration as he was getting stuff done
and things were going well, he said, this is great
(26:21):
on task, but enjoy this.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
I told you.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I said, the communists are going to come back. The
pendulum will swing in the other direction. This is just
the nature of our political reality in this country. And Clay, here,
here's a caller from This is a talkback e from
a caller in Fresno, California, who was referring to the
young guy I think from Ohio who was very frustrated
with Trump on Iran and a few other things. This
(26:46):
is a response to that play.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
E that last callers tom Bs.
Speaker 10 (26:50):
Trump did everything he did on his agenda in one
year almost he did everything, either the Big Bill or
Executive Order, and it's up to the rest of the
Senate and Republicans to qualify it.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
That's not his.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
He can't do anything about that.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
He did what he said.
Speaker 11 (27:06):
First off, that kid who said, like, you know, his
generation or his people got Trump elected. No, we all
got Trump elected. And part of the agenda I wanted
taken care of was Iran. I've been waiting decades for
someone to do this to Iran. So and for you
guys to say, if things go bad from here it
was a blunder because he loses the midterms. I'm sorry,
(27:27):
but decapitating Iran is more important than the midterms.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Okay, a few things.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
One I said it depends on how bad it gets
if we have US troops that end up being deployed
to Iran and for this can get really I don't
think it will. But again I think that was Allison
from La Listens on a KiB Clay. We're not getting
ahead of where the story actually is and where things
actually are right now, and you say that right now
(27:56):
about losing the Okay.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Democrats win. Let's say the Democrats.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Democrats win the House and the Senate of the midterms,
now you're talking about no more Trump judges, no more
Trump appointees, maybe a Supreme Court vacancy opens up, and
they have to navigate through that situation, and it means
that you have impeachment hearings and the end of the
Trump agenda here at home, here at home. And I
(28:19):
think part of the problem here is that, you know,
you got Fox News and some very loud voices that
are totally focused on Iran right now. I understand why,
and so the GOP faithful are like, Okay, there's a
lot of media attention on Iran. People care about what's
happening here in America more than what is happening in Iran,
more than what the risk I think of Iranian nuclear
(28:43):
capability is when it comes to who they're going to
vote for. So I think that's very valid. Anyway, I
didn't say it was going to go bad, just to
be clear. I just said if it does go really
bad and we lose, then we'll see if people think
that this Iran situation was worth it. I'm also at
if we don't get the concessions if we don't get
(29:04):
the agreement, I Ron's going to try to start building
nukes again everybody, and they're gonna have a lot of
money when the oil starts to flow.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
It's not over. Here's what I would say.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
In general, Trump is making decisions that may not pay
off beneficially for decades, and I think we live in
such a short term.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Attention span world.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
That's why I like to go back and look at
North Korea if we could, I guarantee you, I'd love
to have Bill Clinton on and to ask him this question.
I bet he would say, and he may have said
it publicly, since I wish that I had done something
instead of listening to Jimmy Carter, I wish that I
had taken out North Korea's ability to ever have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
He probably also would say I wish I hadn't bombed
an aspirin factory in Sudan to distract from Monica's testimony
at the grand jury, just saying.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
There's probably a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I think you would probably say, I wish I'd taken
out Osama Bin Lauden. Right, there's lots of things that
you could point to that he would like to change.
I think Trump is trying to make decisions, which is honestly, again,
this is why the scope and the reach of what
Trump is trying to do is actually the exact opposite
of a lot of what people say.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Trump is doing.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You know this if you study history, most authoritarian dictators
are obsessed with what occurs while they are in office,
and that means that they oftentimes do not make great
decisions for the decades into the future. Most of the time,
Trump is trying to make decisions right now that are
(30:35):
beneficial for decades to come. That frankly, he's probably not
going to benefit from politically, and you could agree or
disagree with that context. Venezuela. To me, Aaron and Cuba
are all connected in that way. I also think there's
not enough discussion. You mentioned this, Buck, but I do
think it's significant. Whatever you think of Trump, Marco Rubio,
(30:58):
I think has done a phenomenal job as Secretary of State.
I think that Pete Hegseth has done a really good
job as Secretary of War, and certainly JD. Vance has
been very supportive I think Trump. And then if you
want to toss in Treasury Secretary Scott Bessett, if you
want to talk about the top five guys that Trump
has right now at the top of his team. I
think you can make a real argument that they are
the most competent, most intelligent, you know, quintuplet that we
(31:23):
have seen running the United States government in a very,
very long time. I don't think that's a crazy take
at all. And so the idea that Trump is just
this mad king and nobody else is able to help
him make decisions, I think, frankly is just is just
absolutely insane.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Bush Cheney, Rumsfeld had a lot of acclaim yeah that
went well that I'm just saying. I'm just saying, we
gotta keep it real here. You know, the resume doesn't
necessarily translate into the results. Again, I think, but for
so many people here and I feel the same way
on this. Somebody asks me right now, would I bet
if I were betting, and I'm just hopeful that this
(32:00):
goes well because I'm I bet on America, right, But
if you're asking me if I were like my last
dollar I had to put on whether Trump pulls us
through this and it ends up being a win, a
true win or not, I would say, yeah, I think
Trump's gonna pull this out.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
But we're not there yet. You got to get the
straight open.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
That's why Trump's tweeting, get the straight open or I'm
gonna destroy your entire civilization.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
So there's still some work to be done, no doubt.
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Welcome back in here too, Play and Buck. We want
to get some of your calls and get to some
of the latest thoughts on everything going on in in Iran,
but also want to know we are going to have
the Secretary of HHS, Robert Kennedy Junior, will be joining
us in the second or in the second half of
(34:21):
the next hour. We're talking about a lot of the
MAHA Make America Healthy Again agenda I want to ask
him about peptides. I want to ask them all kinds
of things. Where's the FDA on this stuff? Where all
these cures we've got AI now that the world of
health is about to get a whole lot more interesting
and I think data driven, and there'll be more access
for people to this stuff than ever before.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
So that's really unique.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
And we can also ask him whether he thinks Clay
is going to be able to continue to bench more
than his sons for the foreseeable future. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure. Some of these boys are looking pretty robust. Clay,
I'm nervous.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I was just telling you off air that I'm gonna
end up tearing my rotator cuffs and stuff trying to
make sure I can still bench more than they can
because they they have the advantage of youth on their side,
and they're getting a lot stronger very rapidly.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
So I didn't think I was.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Going to be challenged for strength superiority in the house
this soon. But the fifteen year old is coming for
my title. You know, Carrie and I have started doing
yoga together, which is really fun. I have to say,
it's really good. I've learned I am not flexible.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Is it for yoga or just no, just playing plane
like slow eat. It's like bait.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
I would say, I'm doing yoga for old people, which
makes sense you and her or you in a class. Yes,
we have an instructor, okay, the two of us with
the instructor. No, I wouldn't do it in front of
other people because I was wondering. Yeah, no, No, I've
had bad memories.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I tried to.
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a big commercial gym in New York, and I look
like I was having a heart attack in the back.
They kept saying chuttar unga, and I'm like, shutta.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
What, shutta what? I have no idea what's going on here?
I was like sweating profusely.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I Uh, it's funny you mentioned that because this morning
I was getting ready and there's I guess a clip
that's gone viral and it probably circles back around in
a bunch of different times. But there's just an old
Have you seen this video? There's an old guy just
standing outside of a yoga studio and just there's a
huge collection of really good looking women in tight clothes
doing yoga poses. And he just stops and stands there,
(36:34):
and they come and they're like, you have to keep moving, sir,
And so I'm thinking of myself.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Poor guys out for a walk.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
He didn't know he was gonna see fifteen gorgeous girls
in spandex doing yoga, poses stops to look.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Next thing, you know, he's mega viral on the internet.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Gotta keep your head on the swile out there, kids,
He was just checking out their cheddar ungas.
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