August 14, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show focuses on a wide-ranging discussion of sports controversy, national politics, legal news, and listener reaction. The hour begins with coverage of the high-profile case involving Luigi Mangione, who entered a guilty plea in the murder of the UnitedHealthcare CEO in Midtown Manhattan. Clay and Buck examine the legal strategy behind the plea agreement, including efforts to avoid the death penalty, while discussing broader concerns about crime, prosecution, and public safety in New York City. A major portion of Hour 2 is dedicated to the ongoing WNBA controversy, one of the show's most heavily debated topics. Clay and Buck analyze questions surrounding gender eligibility, fairness in women’s sports, hormone-related policies, and the legal and public relations challenges facing professional women’s basketball. The hosts discuss the league’s response to criticism from public figures including Enes Kanter Freedom and Royce White, while exploring how evolving cultural and political debates are affecting women’s athletics. The conversation also covers the impact of Caitlin Clark’s popularity on the WNBA, tensions between traditional supporters and new audiences, and comparisons with eligibility standards used by the NCAA, international sports bodies, and the Olympics. The discussion expands into broader questions about the future of women’s sports, with callers offering opinions on possible league structures, co-ed competition, and potential legal ramifications of changing eligibility rules. Clay and Buck focus on the economic and competitive consequences of policy shifts, arguing that decisions made by sports leagues could have lasting effects on professional women’s basketball and trigger significant legal challenges. Listener participation drives much of this segment, highlighting the passionate public debate surrounding gender and athletics. The hour also features an interview with Jim Schwartzel, Republican candidate for Florida’s 19th Congressional District. Schwartzel discusses the competitive GOP primary, the presence of candidates from outside the district, and the importance of electing business-oriented conservatives to Congress. The conversation emphasizes Florida’s growth under Governor Ron DeSantis, Republican electoral strategy, and the importance of maintaining conservative political momentum. The interview also touches on the influence of the Democratic Socialists of America and figures such as Zohran Mamdani, examining their role in contemporary political debates and migration trends between states. Later in the program, Clay and Buck revisit their earlier predictions regarding the relationship between President Donald Trump and Elon Musk. They discuss reports that Musk intends to invest substantial resources in support of Republican candidates and Trump-aligned political efforts, framing the development as evidence of a growing alliance between major business leaders and the Republican Party. The hosts analyze the implications for campaign fundraising, conservative political strategy, and the upcoming election cycle, arguing that partnerships between influential donors and political candidates continue to reshape the national political landscape.
Make sure you never miss a second of the show by subscribing to the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton show podcast wherever you get your podcasts! ihr.fm/3InlkL8
For the latest updates from Clay and Buck, visit our website https://www.clayandbuck.com/
Connect with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton:
FB -
Listen
Watch
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in hour number two, Clay and Buck, we
appreciate all of you hanging out with us, spending your
Friday with all of us in particular. And we've got
a bunch of stories that are out there, big breaking news.
Right as we came on the air, Luigi Mangioni has
admitted that he killed the United Healthcare CEO in outside
(00:25):
a hotel in Midtown Manhattan. He has pled guilty, admitted
entirely to the crime, now faces a sentence of life
in prison. He will find out in December what his
full sentence will be. Partly, this decision to plead guilty
appears to have been motivated by a desire to avoid
(00:48):
a New York state trial where he could potentially face
the death penalty. So that story started right as we
set down to begin the program. Just FYI the absolute
latest there. Okay, let's have some fun. There are a
bunch of stories out there that are utterly ridiculous. Many
(01:13):
of them have to do with the WNBA. Yesterday, Buck,
I said, just you can go check it for yourself,
a prediction that came true very much. I said, the
most watched clip from the entire show will be us
discussed on YouTube. Will be us discussing the WNBA on
(01:36):
this program. Nearly one hundred thousand people yesterday watched us
discussing the WNBA on this program because the absurdity of
the WNBA story has cut through and everyone is talking
about it and the WNBA buck I was reading this morning.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
While Street Journal.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Has a big story on the absurdity of this entire
past couple of weeks for the WNBA, New York Times
has a big story on it. I bet it's the
most read story in sports that either will publish. Washington
Post has got a huge story on it. I didn't
even mention this. Yesterday. The Free Press, the Barry Weiss's
(02:23):
entity that is now owned by CBS, interviewed me for
a huge story on it. Everyone is still talking about this,
and increasingly it feels to me like enis cancer Freedom
and Royce White have check mark check mated the WNBA
when it comes to who's allowed to play in this league,
(02:45):
and all of it is continuing to propel the Democrat
Party into defending the end defensible. And so I was
actually having this conversation off air yesterday somebody came up
to me and they said, Hey, uh.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
A friend, what's going to happen here?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And so I ask you this question, Buck, because you
were kind of talking about it in the last hour.
Your theory is the w NBA is just going to
try to wait out the story and just hope that
it goes away and they have to do nothing. That's
that's what you that's your prediction. My theory is that
they're just.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Going to try to delay because there is no there's
the pr conundrum that they are in. Then there's, as
you've aptly noted, the legal conundrum that they can find
themselves in, or perhaps they already do at some level,
and I don't see how they can extricate themselves from
those things. And therefore they're just going to try to
(03:49):
weight this thing out. And now you might say, oh,
but what about Royce? What about Enus? They figure Enis
with an e Enis is going to be tired of
this at some point. But I don't think that that's
to be clear, I don't think this is going to
work necessarily. But I just think that is Clay. They
(04:10):
held a meeting to determine what they're going to do.
It's very easy. All they have to do is say
we're going to have a gender test for people to
play in the league, and we're going to go forward
with that. They won't do that, so why would they
do that later? The answer is actually easy and obvious.
This is the funniest thing of all. They are making
a massive challenge out of the simplest question imaginable they
(04:32):
have been posed.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
The WNBA has been asked does two plus two equal four?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And they've had a huge meeting of all the big bosses,
so they can say.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
We're going to get back to you on that two
plus two question. That's where we are.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So here's what I think is is at play too.
I don't think they feel like they can say what
the WTA did, what the Olympics have done, and what
the and what NCAA Sports have done. I think they're
afraid of losing their base of support, and it's not
(05:09):
that big of a base of support because the WNBA
really what you're seeing as a conflict between mass appeal
and sort of a small niche audience.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Are you saying that the WNBA is their thing?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Are you saying that there's a lot of superboo drivers
in the audience of the WNBA.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Is that the concern.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Wow, well, I do think this is something that take
it outside of the WNBA. You know this, there's always
the group that gets mad when the band gets too popular.
They like the band when nobody knows it right. Ye,
they're the diehards. They showed up when there were only
three hundred people. They're they're real fans, and then suddenly
(05:50):
all these other people show up. This happens in sports
a lot. I used to make fun of them. Sorry,
hockey fans, you guys are like this. You say, talk
about us, talk about us, talk about it, talk about us,
and then something happens in hockey and we would talk.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
About it, and then they say, no, no, no, not like that.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
So you're begging for attention because you're insecure about how
little attention you get. Soccer fan is the perfect example
of this. How can you never talk about soccer? How
come you never talk about soccer? How come you never
talk about soccer? Okay, World Cup happens, let's all talk
about soccer. No, no, no, you don't know what you're talking about.
You get so offended so quickly. The WNBA has been
(06:28):
begging for attention for thirty years. Nobody cared Caitlin Clark
came into the league, suddenly there is a spotlight on them,
and what you're seeing is the lesbian community that made
the WNBA theirs, which has a tiny footprint. Lesbians who
love basketball. They were all in on the WNBA, and
(06:49):
then suddenly the mainstream decides that they're interested in the NBA,
and Oh, their particular world is being uprooted in some way,
and oh it's sexist, it's homophobic, it's transphobic. How in
the world could you possibly allow this? And so I
think what you're really dealing with is sudden fame and
(07:12):
how it impacts the long term fans and buck I
think they're afraid that if they just come out and say, hey,
we're gonna have basic gender testing one and clip this
because it'll get everybody riled up. But I do think
it's it's potentially true.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
One.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I think they know they have players in the WNBA
that will not be capable of passing a basic gender test.
That doesn't mean that they are straight men, right, It
means that there might be some of the castor Semnias
of the world that are really they have way too
much testosterone. If you followed that story, at all, And
(07:51):
they're not actually biological women either, they're sort of in
the intersex realm. Two, we know that they have a
woman who identifies as a man that is taking testosterone,
and I don't think that person, based on their drugs
that they're taking, would pass muster as a woman under
(08:12):
the typical standard. So I think they're afraid. I really
mean this, buck, I think they're afraid of having players.
Maybe even they know they have players that would not
be considered women for purposes of what the WTA, the NCAA,
and the Olympic Committee do.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So they do test. I check this out.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
The WNBA does test for performance enhancing drugs and performance
enhancing hormones, it says, as well as marijuana, which I
always think is kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I guess they just don't want people smoking marijuana.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
But I don't believe anybody thinks marijuana is unless you're
maybe a snowboarder. I don't think anyone thinks marijuana enhances
your athletic ability, So maybe skateboarding too. But they test
for steroids, performance dancing hormone stimulants. But do they really
I wonder about that. I'm sure that there's you know,
(09:05):
there's the official policy, and then there's the how much
of this do they really implement?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Uh, you know, people.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Mean, there's there's no way that a to put it
this way, Buck, there's no way that a woman who
has her breast removed that is receiving hormone treatment as
she has said that she is, is passing a basic
female steroid test or whatever test.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
This would be fascinating. Let's say that they have somebody
who is getting hormone hormone therapy who's a woman in
the end. First of all, for any professional athlete, they
would know straight up if you're getting exogynous testosterone and
getting to what they call super physiological levels. It's almost
like running a steroid cycle, Like you're getting a huge,
huge strength and you know, and and physicality advantage. Right
(09:55):
for women who are taking hormones cross X hormones, my
guess would be the they have to stay within the field.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I wonder like what the limits would be.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Basically, like if a guy has you know, fifteen hundred
nanograms per deca leader of testosterone, he is juicing, he's
taken stuff like that's not yeah, that's really not a
thing that happens naturally. Usually men are between like I mean,
if you're a you know, a CNN or MSNBC host,
you're like the two hundreds. If you're a Clay and
(10:25):
Buck host, you're in like the eight hundreds. But usually
it's like two hundred to eight hundred is the general range.
I don't know how they do this for woman. I
bet if you if you started to dig into this though,
there's probably already of plenty of ways to get around
this and have some funny business going on with the
hormone optimization within the WNBA, I would think I would think, Yes,
(10:46):
I think that's likely very true.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So I don't think your strategy of let's just pretend
none of this happened and hope, look, they're about to
finish the regular season, then football starts and a lot
of you were probably watching INFL preseason games last night
with your friends and family like I was, and then
hope football just knocks you completely out of the news cycle.
(11:09):
I don't think that's a crazy take. Well, they'll be
ask you this, what is the other pathways? Well, I
mean the path that they should Well, first of all,
they have to make a ruling.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
This sounds silly, yeah, but not what they should do.
What will they do?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
This is what so legally they are mandated I think
to respond to Enis Kantor Freedom and Royce White on
their WNBA declarations. The WNBA draft is in April. At
some point prior to the start of the WNBA Draft,
I don't know what that deadline is. Everyone who is
(11:44):
trying to make themselves draft eligible. They send out a
list of all the players that are under their termination
draft eligible, so that cycle probably is sometime in February
or March.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I would think, why can't they just not draft enus?
And good question that would be that's the that's a
version of the ignore this strategy, I might add, is
that they just say we're not we don't see them
as a fit for our team, and everyone in the
league goes Now, you said that there could be collusion.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
That would one hundred percent be an anti trust lawsuit
that would be immediately filed.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
How on what on what basis is would be anti like?
Take me through that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I'm curious they have a I believe they have a
w NBA combine, So where you know, take the NFL
coll as you're saying, you could objectively prove that you
have metrics that would show your excellence, and for no
team you'd be able to sue on that basis, yes,
and then you would get into discovery, which would mean, hey,
(12:49):
what sort of actual meetings took place. I'm telling you
this is why I think, you know, you can look
at this as a truly laughably absurd example of the
Left being held accountable for their logic that men are
just as much of women as women are. But this
is where I take a step back and say, Okay,
from a legal perspective, I think that Enis Kanter and
(13:12):
Royce White have really strong legal arguments if the WNBA
doesn't define what a woman is, and if there are players,
owners and coaches that are saying men who identify as
women should be welcomed into our league unless they define
what a woman is to exclude these guys if they
(13:33):
are eligible otherwise, which they are, then not drafting them
after they go to the combine and post thirty five
inch verticals and everybody else is posting ten inch verticals
and after they it's just I think they will have
a huge lawsuit to be able to sue over this,
(13:54):
and I think the WNBA is in a really really
difficult spot here, we'll see what they end up doing. Look,
you may be in a difficult spot. Maybe you're out
there right now and you got a lot of credit
card debt. Maybe you've got personal loans that are outstanding,
but maybe you don't have that, by the way, twenty
plus percent interest, everything that's going on out there in
(14:16):
the credit card world. Maybe you just have a house,
and you have owned that house for a long time,
and you have a ton of equity built up in it,
and maybe you want to take some of that money out.
You don't want to sell your house, but you want
to take out some of that equity that you have
built up to use for a wide variety of things.
Maybe you want to help a kid or a grandkid
(14:37):
get started. Maybe you want to help a kid or
a grandkid buy a house. Maybe you want to help
them with tuition. Maybe you got a brand new grand
baby and you want.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
To put a pool in at your house. You just
have a.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Huge, basically big bank of money inside of your house.
You got hundreds of thousands of dollars in value there,
but you're not able to unlock it, and you want
to have access to that money. Perfect ten mortgage can
help a lot of different reasons. You could want to
unlock the value that you have in your home. Might
(15:11):
be credit card debt, might be just that you want
to help take care of your family and there's something
that you would like to buy and or use that
money for, and you don't want to have to go
take out alone at an unbelievably crazy punitive rate. That's
a perfect ten mortgage can help you out. Ten minutes
you give them ten minutes, you can apply for a
(15:32):
brand new mortgage. They can close in ten days. Perfect
one zero mortgage dot com Perfect ten just like Nadia
coman each back in the day. You can put your
financial house in order. You can take advantage of that
home that piggybank. You made all the right decisions, Why
not be able to unlock some of the value of
(15:52):
that home without having to sell it. Maybe you got
a great setup right now, but you just need a
little bit more money. Perfect ten Morerotgage DBA Network Funding
lp MLS twenty two ninety seven Equal Housing Lender. All
borrowers must qualify advertisement not a promise to make a loan.
Apply in ten minutes, close in ten days, fast, simple,
(16:15):
great service. Perfect one zero mortgage dot Com A.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Quick Meya Kulpa. I had been corrected by some of
you in the past. I'm just gonna blame the audience
for this and that that pleaded is the proper and
not pled guilty. But it turns out that pleaded is
considered the preferred, but pled is also acceptable. Well, what
is that by me? If there are two ways of
saying something, there are two ways of saying something, I
(16:48):
will preferred by whom. But we looked. I looked this
up and so Clay is right. You can be plaied
or pleaded. Ilways said. I know it's not hung. It
was hanged for a person. That's another one that people
get very uptight about. So someone was hanged, they were
not hung. Only a jacket can. But why can't someone
be hung? The whole thing makes no sense to me.
I'm sure now they probably have changed this to one
other thing. Clay, we got this right. I'm gonna take
(17:09):
a little I'm gonna take a little detour now into
something we both got right. And I'm sure we could
find the clip. Remember when when Elon Musk and Trump
were at odds, they were having a little bit of
a bro blow up and things were getting a little mean,
and we said to you, it's not gonna last. They
gotta be buddies again. Just give it some time. They're
(17:30):
gonna figure it out. Guess what the front page of
the Wall Street Journal online was this morning, Clay trumping
Elon working together. Elon's gonna spend one hundred million dollars
to help the Republican Party, to help Trump in the midterms.
You know, maybe they aren't like bosom buddies, but they're
they're peoples again. They're hanging out, they're having dinner. We
told you, guys, that was gonna happen. Some of you
(17:50):
thought we were crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yes, the front page story. I was reading that this morning.
They have gotten back together again. As a famous pop
singer used to say, the modern day Beatles, We're never, never,
ever getting back together again.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Elon and Trump back together again.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Tireless work of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews
something to be admired through the team.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
The team at IFCJ does amazing work.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Forty years now, this American based organization in New Jersey
has done a great job of providing life saving aid,
food emergency assistants, bombshelters critical support for those impacted by war.
I've seen the work firsthand in Israel. Nothing short of
amazing what they've accomplished. With your support, and even if
you don't donate, your prayers are much appreciated as well.
(18:39):
Join the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews and praying
for the people of Israel. Together, we can remind Israeli
residents they're not alone. Stand with Israel in prayer today
by visiting PREYIFCJ dot org. That's Prey IFCJ dot org.
(19:05):
We rolled now back down into South Florida, where there
is a primary on Tuesday. Some of you may well
be aware, including Buck, who is in Miami right now.
It's actually ten degrees cooler. I was just asking in
Miami than it is in Nashville today, which does not
happen very often. We are joined now by Jim schwartzel
(19:27):
GOP candidate in Florida's nineteenth congressional districts Southwest Florida, Naples
Cape Corral. You are with many of the stations that
carry this program all over Southwest Florida. You put Rush
Hannity Beck In on the air. We've done a bunch
of events down in southwest Florida. Jim Jordan's going to
(19:52):
be on with us two thirty time. He has endorsed.
You appreciate the time. What can you tell us about
the race?
Speaker 5 (20:00):
The race is very, very crowded. Some people in d C.
I think even Jim Jordan said it was a kind
of the clown car of races in the US because
we have so many people from out of town in it.
I was born here, married my high school sweetheart, raised
my family, and built this radio station ninety two to
(20:20):
five Fox News right here. And you know it's my
opponents are so new to the town half the time,
I don't even think they know how to get to
the beach. And I think there's we're up to twelve candidates.
We got one from California, two from New York, two
from Michigan, two from Illinois.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
So and there's a lot of dark money in this race.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
One of the candidates has five point four million dollars
of it from a RAN poll and Thomas Massey Anti
Trump super pack, So it's a it's a completely manufactured
candidate that's running head Never the candidates never had a job,
never owned a home here or anything like that she
was strictly planted to run in this district, which is
(21:04):
pretty crazy.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Well your district from what I understand. By the way, Jim,
I'm just across the uh the peninsula that's from you. Yeah, yeah,
not far away. I always hear that Naples for people
that start to get a little tired of some of
the stuff going on in Miami Miami Dade area. They're like,
have you have you thought about Naples? It's a a gem,
a gem of a place. But you know, you're a
(21:27):
successful broadcaster and it sounds like you got a great
thing going over there.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Why do you want to.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Be in Congress? Like what what about this appeals to you?
What do you want to do when, if, and when
you get there? Like what what brought this on? I'm
always so curious about that, because you know, we need
people that are successful and happy to run for office
and not just.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
People who have you know, feel like I got nothing
going on?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, well, I you know, my own media companies here
and you know ninety two. I think we need more
business people in Washington. We have far too many just
career politics. Like President Trump, he's a businessman, and you know,
we're losing Byron Donalds. This is Byron donald Cy and
he's going to be our next governor. And Trump needs
(22:10):
another rock solid conservative in this district to support him
in DC. But specifically for me, I look at Senator
Rick Scott, he was a businessman. I look at a
lot of people who are my mentors in the space,
and I think we need more business people in Congress.
They you know, career politicians only know how to spend money.
(22:31):
They don't know how to balance a budget, and we
can do that.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Did you grow up listen to Rush? Jim?
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Oh yeah, well, we were one of the first affiliates
of Rush here in southwest Florida.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Tell us about this. People want to know the history.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Oh yeah, well, you know, my dad actually started the station,
and this was back in ninety eight, maybe ninety seven
when Rush first went into syndication and my dad put
him on the air. I took over the business a
couple like a decade later, and we've done a lot
(23:08):
here in Southwest Florid. We had you guys here, You
guys came to the luminary when you're oh yeah, ed off,
and you know, we've had a lot of fun here.
We've had back in town. We've had Hammity used to
have a house.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Here, so.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
We came down actually and did an event after the
hurricane hit there, because if I remember correctly, your studios
were really decimated in many ways with flooding related damage,
as many places were down there. What is the recovery process? Like,
how so far? Mercifully And I'm knocking on my desk
(23:46):
here as I say it. It's been a very quiet
hurricane season so far. How are things going with the recovery?
There's the what's the prognosis?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Well, I will say, ever since we renamed it the
Gulf of America, we haven't had a hurricane.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
So yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
I feel really good about that. But Southwest Florida has
really bounced back. Almost everything's back. There's a couple of
little places on Fort Myers Beach and Santa Belle that
are still returning, but that's you know, pretty isolated areas
that need recovery. But we're back up and running. People
are moving here every day, you know. They want to
come to the Free State of Florida. And just like
(24:23):
so many of my opponents, they moved here. Some of
them might be moving back. After this race on Tuesday,
I don't think many of them planted very many roots here.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
You you mentioned by the way that you felt like
Byron Donald's was going to win. I think you would
probably sign off on this. Buck certainly would as well.
That Ron DeSantis has had one of the best eight
year ten years that any governor has had in any
of our lives. In terms of how Florida has changed
from the positive direction, I am curious in general, how
(24:53):
do you maintain that momentum in the state. I know
you're running for Congress. The districts have been redrawn to SA.
This has just brought so much Republican support to the state.
How do you keep that momentum?
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Well, I mean, we just need to keep electing Republicans
to office. I mean, we're getting transplants from everywhere with
everything that's going on with DSA in some of these states.
I'm glad Wisconsin pushed back on it.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
But you know, these.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Democrats socialists are causing an exodus from some of these
big cities like New York, and you know, we're getting
those people. And when those people come here, it creates jobs.
So it's been very good for us in Southwest Florida.
And I don't see that stopping anytime.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Soon, Jim, Where should people go? Jim schwartzel by the way,
everybody he's running in Florida's nineteenth. We've got a lot
of people listening in the Naples and a Cape Coral area,
so they are going to be making they're making their votes,
or if they haven't already, but a lot of people
are still going to be going out and voting. Where
can people go if they want to learn more about
your campaign? Which you stand for? How to support you?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Yes, jimfocongress dot com. And Themary is Tuesday. We have
early voting. You can go vote today or tomorrow. And
if you have a mail in ballot, vote are mail
by ballot? Sorry, vote by mail ballot. I wouldn't mail
it because in Florida you're in the ELEC. If it
doesn't make it to the elections office on Tuesday, your
(26:19):
vote doesn't count. So you need to actually drive and
take it into a bowling location. They'll accept it there.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
All right, Jim Schwartz will appreciate you, sir, Thank you
so much. All right, have a great day. Thanks guys,
you too.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Look, you got to protect yourself, you know this, and
for a lot of you. Maybe you've already got your
Second Amendment stuff covered, but do you have a non
lethal It's a good option to have.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Some people my.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
House, Clay's house, our wives like having a non lethal
option defend themselves. Pepper spray for example, or the pepper launcher.
And this is where Saber comes in. Saber is just
the most trusted brand in the space. Their website is
saberprotect dot com s A b r e protect dot com.
They make the best non lethal self protection tools, a
whole range of them. By the way, a lot of
people start out, they get the pepper launcher because that's
(27:07):
just a really cool baseline thing to have, kind of
a foundation for a lot of your non lethal self protection.
But they've got all kinds of sprays and and tech
enabled things, and you'll see it's an incredible one stop
shop for a lot of things that will help keep
you safe and secure in and outside of your home.
Don't wait, get protected now. Go to saber protect dot
(27:28):
com s a b ri protect dot com. Save up
to fifteen percent on select Saber bundles. Go to save
saberprotect dot com or call eight four four A two
four safe eight four four A two four safe. We
(27:48):
have a bunch of calls coming in, a lot of
interesting stuff going on here and here. One of you
want to take this one, agud I think we're just
working this one out before a David and Cleveland, Texas
wants to send us this talk back hit it.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Stop using the left's language. It is a sex test.
Gender refers to nouns. People have two sexes. Stop using
their words.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
This is like, I mean, this is more well when
someone says like they're doing it.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
When someone says what's the gender of your baby, normal
people say a boy or a girl. So I think
we use these pretty interchangeably. What he is I just
some of the corrections. You're morons, Frankly Clay.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
At hard like, no, it's it's true.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Like I think what he's trying to say is gender
identity is a concept that like you can be different genders.
To bucks point, when you say you have a gender
reveal party, no one is out there saying, oh, you're
using the left's terminology.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
It's actually the exact opposite. Oh, or are we going
to have.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
A boy or a girl. We're going to look at
pink or we're gonna look at blue. Some of you
go down rabbit holes and fight battles that are nonsensical
and you miss the larger constructs. Here, just really important
distinction because I see people saying.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
I don't know why they want to cancel Thanksgiving. Matters
talk about what the uh the property tax rate is
going to be. Property tax rates are complicated. I want
them to be as low as possible.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
When somebody says I want to cancel Thanksgiving, you cannot
trust them.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
It cuts through.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So I just some of this, like, there's a lot
of am I wrong? There's a lot of purity testing.
And when you're doing purity testing, you know what you
sound like, you sound like a left winger, Like, oh uh,
like a purity test on the left is men can
become women. When you insist on purity tests, you are
(30:00):
actually taking on left wing tactics and you're not making
good arguments. So I wasn't even gonna play that guy.
Buck didn't hear me going off on producer Greg over
how stupid that talk back was. So this guy walked
into a bus idea.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Well, I'd like the gentleman to continue to listen to
the program and know he's a valued member of this audience,
and I hope he tells friends and family about how
much Clay and Buck is a great show.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
To pick better battles.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
We got a bunch of callers though, Matt in Michigan,
this is an interesting idea, Matt, what you.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Got well, and gentlemen, I think there is an off
ramp for the WNBA. Yes, what you guys can keep
the I think there's an off ramp for the NBA.
The WNBA they can keep their base happy by saying, yes,
you can be a transgendered player, but you have to
have four years of hormone therapy before you can be drafted.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Okay, so this is interesting. I don't think that's a
bad off ramp for them. Here's the challenge they've got.
That requirement isn't in eligibility now. So one of the
challenges that you would have, and this is me analyzing
it legally, is when you have a standard of what
is required in order to be eligible for the WNBA draft.
(31:16):
The players have declared themselves eligible for THEWNBA draft and
smartly written letters and said I specifically fulfill each of
these criteria as you have defined them so far. If
you go back and change the criteria. It would then
be a retroactive alteration that they could sue and say
(31:40):
this is designed to exclude us. If they had been
smart and put that policy in place before now, then
they would be able to cite it and it would
keep them out. But when you change your eligibility guidelines
after people have said that they are eligible, you have
(32:00):
a legal issue out there. So I think that's probably
one of the bits of advice that they are getting.
Matt in That was just mattin Michigan. Michael in Atlanta, Hey, guys,
I agree with you that the WNBA is just absurd,
but I think you're missing a major marketing opportunity and
(32:21):
the league is missing this completely.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
If you take what they want to do, okay, you
can change the name to WMBA or w plus NBA
have men, women, transgenders play, and it could be basically
a league where it's almost like the WWE. You got
guys playing, they can do slam dunks, there could be
(32:47):
certain rules about how many guys are on the floor
compared to the women. They could really have an entertainment league.
And I think they're missing the whole thing because right
now it's just gotten so ridiculous. I think that's the
only way they've getten it. They've got it out.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I mean, look, the problem with your premise is if
you allow men, there will be no women unless you
specifically say this is a co ed league and we
have to have a certain amount of players. You know,
one of the things they've done in the past, Buck
this is not to restrict women or men necessarily, but
(33:26):
a lot of European leagues and a lot of foreign
leagues for basketball, because Americans tend to have more better
players than others, they have said only a certain amount
of Americans can play on a team. So if you're
in an Italian basketball league, for instance, most yeah, most
of them say only one or two Americans are able
(33:49):
to play. And one of the loopholes here is sometimes
people will go back and they'll find out, wait a minute,
I've got a parent who was a citizen of a
different country. I may be eligible to take advantage of this.
And then they get the loophole where they're able to
play even though they're an American because they have a
foreign passport, they don't count against American limits. So this
(34:11):
turns into a whole competitive element there. But my point
on that would be if you said in the WNBA,
now like he was saying, hey, we're going to open
up spots to men, which defeats the entire purpose. But
if you did, you could maybe create a co ed league,
because otherwise, once you by saying that each team has
(34:33):
to have a certain number of players of each sex,
once you allow men in the WNBA, there will be
no more women in the WNBA. And as I pointed out,
one of the challenging factors with this is you make
forty five thousand dollars a year in the G League,
you make five hundred thousand dollars a year in the NBA.
How many of you would raise your hand right now
(34:55):
and say, I feel like a woman if you could
ten x your salary just based on how you identified Reversely,
if you're a woman and you could identify as a man,
I think a lot of you would as well if
you got ten times to pay.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It also would be.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
A lot easier because if you're in that G league,
you're playing against men who are very exceptional athletes in
that sport, Whereas if you're now a man who's going
to play, if you're a G League guy who's going
to play in the women's league. You're going to be
able to do you know, whatever, crossovers and slam dunks
and whatever you want. You see what I mean, It's
(35:30):
less stressful. So not only not only ten xing your salary,
but your day to day job is easier.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yes, way easier.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Again, this is why there's both an economic and a
legal challenge associated with this, beyond just the ridiculous fact
that the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Is saying, Like I said, this is so you could
have the number one female tennis player in the world,
like Sablenca, and you could try to and you could
put her up against the number five hundred like male
player in the world, and that would be easy to
set up, and he would have He would smoke her,
he would beat her handily. And that's five miss why
(36:10):
I put my ten million dollars on the table. Buck
because a high school boys team. I think I could
find tons of eighth grade boys that could play on
a team and crush the wall. What I mean is
the WTA had to do with it did in tennis
because that would just so quickly be exposed as a fraud.
The only way they can protect what they want to
(36:31):
protect the WNBA play is to find some loophole or
some car writers, some way to pretend they'll let men play,
but not actually let them play.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
The challenge with that is it opens them up to
more legal damage and lawsuits, which is why I think
they're in such a tough spot.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Final hour of the week Man
Welcome back in hour number two, Clay and Buck, we
appreciate all of you hanging out with us, spending your
Friday with all of us in particular. And we've got
a bunch of stories that are out there, big breaking news.
Right as we came on the air, Luigi Mangioni has
admitted that he killed the United Healthcare CEO in outside
(00:25):
a hotel in Midtown Manhattan. He has pled guilty, admitted
entirely to the crime, now faces a sentence of life
in prison. He will find out in December what his
full sentence will be. Partly, this decision to plead guilty
appears to have been motivated by a desire to avoid
(00:48):
a New York state trial where he could potentially face
the death penalty. So that story started right as we
set down to begin the program. Just FYI the absolute
latest there. Okay, let's have some fun. There are a
bunch of stories out there that are utterly ridiculous. Many
(01:13):
of them have to do with the WNBA. Yesterday, Buck,
I said, just you can go check it for yourself,
a prediction that came true very much. I said, the
most watched clip from the entire show will be us
discussed on YouTube. Will be us discussing the WNBA on
(01:36):
this program. Nearly one hundred thousand people yesterday watched us
discussing the WNBA on this program because the absurdity of
the WNBA story has cut through and everyone is talking
about it and the WNBA buck I was reading this morning.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
While Street Journal.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Has a big story on the absurdity of this entire
past couple of weeks for the WNBA, New York Times
has a big story on it. I bet it's the
most read story in sports that either will publish. Washington
Post has got a huge story on it. I didn't
even mention this. Yesterday. The Free Press, the Barry Weiss's
(02:23):
entity that is now owned by CBS, interviewed me for
a huge story on it. Everyone is still talking about this,
and increasingly it feels to me like enis cancer Freedom
and Royce White have check mark check mated the WNBA
when it comes to who's allowed to play in this league,
(02:45):
and all of it is continuing to propel the Democrat
Party into defending the end defensible. And so I was
actually having this conversation off air yesterday somebody came up
to me and they said, Hey, uh.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
A friend, what's going to happen here?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And so I ask you this question, Buck, because you
were kind of talking about it in the last hour.
Your theory is the w NBA is just going to
try to wait out the story and just hope that
it goes away and they have to do nothing. That's
that's what you that's your prediction. My theory is that
they're just.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Going to try to delay because there is no there's
the pr conundrum that they are in. Then there's, as
you've aptly noted, the legal conundrum that they can find
themselves in, or perhaps they already do at some level,
and I don't see how they can extricate themselves from
those things. And therefore they're just going to try to
(03:49):
weight this thing out. And now you might say, oh,
but what about Royce? What about Enus? They figure Enis
with an e Enis is going to be tired of
this at some point. But I don't think that that's
to be clear, I don't think this is going to
work necessarily. But I just think that is Clay. They
(04:10):
held a meeting to determine what they're going to do.
It's very easy. All they have to do is say
we're going to have a gender test for people to
play in the league, and we're going to go forward
with that. They won't do that, so why would they
do that later? The answer is actually easy and obvious.
This is the funniest thing of all. They are making
a massive challenge out of the simplest question imaginable they
(04:32):
have been posed.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
The WNBA has been asked does two plus two equal four?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And they've had a huge meeting of all the big bosses,
so they can say.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
We're going to get back to you on that two
plus two question. That's where we are.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So here's what I think is is at play too.
I don't think they feel like they can say what
the WTA did, what the Olympics have done, and what
the and what NCAA Sports have done. I think they're
afraid of losing their base of support, and it's not
(05:09):
that big of a base of support because the WNBA
really what you're seeing as a conflict between mass appeal
and sort of a small niche audience.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Are you saying that the WNBA is their thing?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Are you saying that there's a lot of superboo drivers
in the audience of the WNBA.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Is that the concern.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Wow, well, I do think this is something that take
it outside of the WNBA. You know this, there's always
the group that gets mad when the band gets too popular.
They like the band when nobody knows it right. Ye,
they're the diehards. They showed up when there were only
three hundred people. They're they're real fans, and then suddenly
(05:50):
all these other people show up. This happens in sports
a lot. I used to make fun of them. Sorry,
hockey fans, you guys are like this. You say, talk
about us, talk about us, talk about it, talk about us,
and then something happens in hockey and we would talk.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
About it, and then they say, no, no, no, not like that.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
So you're begging for attention because you're insecure about how
little attention you get. Soccer fan is the perfect example
of this. How can you never talk about soccer? How
come you never talk about soccer? How come you never
talk about soccer? Okay, World Cup happens, let's all talk
about soccer. No, no, no, you don't know what you're talking about.
You get so offended so quickly. The WNBA has been
(06:28):
begging for attention for thirty years. Nobody cared Caitlin Clark
came into the league, suddenly there is a spotlight on them,
and what you're seeing is the lesbian community that made
the WNBA theirs, which has a tiny footprint. Lesbians who
love basketball. They were all in on the WNBA, and
(06:49):
then suddenly the mainstream decides that they're interested in the NBA,
and Oh, their particular world is being uprooted in some way,
and oh it's sexist, it's homophobic, it's transphobic. How in
the world could you possibly allow this? And so I
think what you're really dealing with is sudden fame and
(07:12):
how it impacts the long term fans and buck I
think they're afraid that if they just come out and say, hey,
we're gonna have basic gender testing one and clip this
because it'll get everybody riled up. But I do think
it's it's potentially true.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
One.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I think they know they have players in the WNBA
that will not be capable of passing a basic gender test.
That doesn't mean that they are straight men, right, It
means that there might be some of the castor Semnias
of the world that are really they have way too
much testosterone. If you followed that story, at all, And
(07:51):
they're not actually biological women either, they're sort of in
the intersex realm. Two, we know that they have a
woman who identifies as a man that is taking testosterone,
and I don't think that person, based on their drugs
that they're taking, would pass muster as a woman under
(08:12):
the typical standard. So I think they're afraid. I really
mean this, buck, I think they're afraid of having players.
Maybe even they know they have players that would not
be considered women for purposes of what the WTA, the NCAA,
and the Olympic Committee do.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So they do test. I check this out.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
The WNBA does test for performance enhancing drugs and performance
enhancing hormones, it says, as well as marijuana, which I
always think is kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I guess they just don't want people smoking marijuana.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
But I don't believe anybody thinks marijuana is unless you're
maybe a snowboarder. I don't think anyone thinks marijuana enhances
your athletic ability, So maybe skateboarding too. But they test
for steroids, performance dancing hormone stimulants. But do they really
I wonder about that. I'm sure that there's you know,
(09:05):
there's the official policy, and then there's the how much
of this do they really implement?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Uh, you know, people.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Mean, there's there's no way that a to put it
this way, Buck, there's no way that a woman who
has her breast removed that is receiving hormone treatment as
she has said that she is, is passing a basic
female steroid test or whatever test.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
This would be fascinating. Let's say that they have somebody
who is getting hormone hormone therapy who's a woman in
the end. First of all, for any professional athlete, they
would know straight up if you're getting exogynous testosterone and
getting to what they call super physiological levels. It's almost
like running a steroid cycle, Like you're getting a huge,
huge strength and you know, and and physicality advantage. Right
(09:55):
for women who are taking hormones cross X hormones, my
guess would be the they have to stay within the field.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I wonder like what the limits would be.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Basically, like if a guy has you know, fifteen hundred
nanograms per deca leader of testosterone, he is juicing, he's
taken stuff like that's not yeah, that's really not a
thing that happens naturally. Usually men are between like I mean,
if you're a you know, a CNN or MSNBC host,
you're like the two hundreds. If you're a Clay and
(10:25):
Buck host, you're in like the eight hundreds. But usually
it's like two hundred to eight hundred is the general range.
I don't know how they do this for woman. I
bet if you if you started to dig into this though,
there's probably already of plenty of ways to get around
this and have some funny business going on with the
hormone optimization within the WNBA, I would think I would think, Yes,
(10:46):
I think that's likely very true.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So I don't think your strategy of let's just pretend
none of this happened and hope, look, they're about to
finish the regular season, then football starts and a lot
of you were probably watching INFL preseason games last night
with your friends and family like I was, and then
hope football just knocks you completely out of the news cycle.
(11:09):
I don't think that's a crazy take. Well, they'll be
ask you this, what is the other pathways? Well, I
mean the path that they should Well, first of all,
they have to make a ruling.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
This sounds silly, yeah, but not what they should do.
What will they do?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
This is what so legally they are mandated I think
to respond to Enis Kantor Freedom and Royce White on
their WNBA declarations. The WNBA draft is in April. At
some point prior to the start of the WNBA Draft,
I don't know what that deadline is. Everyone who is
(11:44):
trying to make themselves draft eligible. They send out a
list of all the players that are under their termination
draft eligible, so that cycle probably is sometime in February
or March.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I would think, why can't they just not draft enus?
And good question that would be that's the that's a
version of the ignore this strategy, I might add, is
that they just say we're not we don't see them
as a fit for our team, and everyone in the
league goes Now, you said that there could be collusion.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
That would one hundred percent be an anti trust lawsuit
that would be immediately filed.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
How on what on what basis is would be anti like?
Take me through that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I'm curious they have a I believe they have a
w NBA combine, So where you know, take the NFL
coll as you're saying, you could objectively prove that you
have metrics that would show your excellence, and for no
team you'd be able to sue on that basis, yes,
and then you would get into discovery, which would mean, hey,
(12:49):
what sort of actual meetings took place. I'm telling you
this is why I think, you know, you can look
at this as a truly laughably absurd example of the
Left being held accountable for their logic that men are
just as much of women as women are. But this
is where I take a step back and say, Okay,
from a legal perspective, I think that Enis Kanter and
(13:12):
Royce White have really strong legal arguments if the WNBA
doesn't define what a woman is, and if there are players,
owners and coaches that are saying men who identify as
women should be welcomed into our league unless they define
what a woman is to exclude these guys if they
(13:33):
are eligible otherwise, which they are, then not drafting them
after they go to the combine and post thirty five
inch verticals and everybody else is posting ten inch verticals
and after they it's just I think they will have
a huge lawsuit to be able to sue over this,
(13:54):
and I think the WNBA is in a really really
difficult spot here, we'll see what they end up doing. Look,
you may be in a difficult spot. Maybe you're out
there right now and you got a lot of credit
card debt. Maybe you've got personal loans that are outstanding,
but maybe you don't have that, by the way, twenty
plus percent interest, everything that's going on out there in
(14:16):
the credit card world. Maybe you just have a house,
and you have owned that house for a long time,
and you have a ton of equity built up in it,
and maybe you want to take some of that money out.
You don't want to sell your house, but you want
to take out some of that equity that you have
built up to use for a wide variety of things.
Maybe you want to help a kid or a grandkid
(14:37):
get started. Maybe you want to help a kid or
a grandkid buy a house. Maybe you want to help
them with tuition. Maybe you got a brand new grand
baby and you want.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
To put a pool in at your house. You just
have a.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Huge, basically big bank of money inside of your house.
You got hundreds of thousands of dollars in value there,
but you're not able to unlock it, and you want
to have access to that money. Perfect ten mortgage can
help a lot of different reasons. You could want to
unlock the value that you have in your home. Might
(15:11):
be credit card debt, might be just that you want
to help take care of your family and there's something
that you would like to buy and or use that
money for, and you don't want to have to go
take out alone at an unbelievably crazy punitive rate. That's
a perfect ten mortgage can help you out. Ten minutes
you give them ten minutes, you can apply for a
(15:32):
brand new mortgage. They can close in ten days. Perfect
one zero mortgage dot com Perfect ten just like Nadia
coman each back in the day. You can put your
financial house in order. You can take advantage of that
home that piggybank. You made all the right decisions, Why
not be able to unlock some of the value of
(15:52):
that home without having to sell it. Maybe you got
a great setup right now, but you just need a
little bit more money. Perfect ten Morerotgage DBA Network Funding
lp MLS twenty two ninety seven Equal Housing Lender. All
borrowers must qualify advertisement not a promise to make a loan.
Apply in ten minutes, close in ten days, fast, simple,
(16:15):
great service. Perfect one zero mortgage dot Com A.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Quick Meya Kulpa. I had been corrected by some of
you in the past. I'm just gonna blame the audience
for this and that that pleaded is the proper and
not pled guilty. But it turns out that pleaded is
considered the preferred, but pled is also acceptable. Well, what
is that by me? If there are two ways of
saying something, there are two ways of saying something, I
(16:48):
will preferred by whom. But we looked. I looked this
up and so Clay is right. You can be plaied
or pleaded. Ilways said. I know it's not hung. It
was hanged for a person. That's another one that people
get very uptight about. So someone was hanged, they were
not hung. Only a jacket can. But why can't someone
be hung? The whole thing makes no sense to me.
I'm sure now they probably have changed this to one
other thing. Clay, we got this right. I'm gonna take
(17:09):
a little I'm gonna take a little detour now into
something we both got right. And I'm sure we could
find the clip. Remember when when Elon Musk and Trump
were at odds, they were having a little bit of
a bro blow up and things were getting a little mean,
and we said to you, it's not gonna last. They
gotta be buddies again. Just give it some time. They're
(17:30):
gonna figure it out. Guess what the front page of
the Wall Street Journal online was this morning, Clay trumping
Elon working together. Elon's gonna spend one hundred million dollars
to help the Republican Party, to help Trump in the midterms.
You know, maybe they aren't like bosom buddies, but they're
they're peoples again. They're hanging out, they're having dinner. We
told you, guys, that was gonna happen. Some of you
(17:50):
thought we were crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yes, the front page story. I was reading that this morning.
They have gotten back together again. As a famous pop
singer used to say, the modern day Beatles, We're never, never,
ever getting back together again.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Elon and Trump back together again.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Tireless work of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews
something to be admired through the team.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
The team at IFCJ does amazing work.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Forty years now, this American based organization in New Jersey
has done a great job of providing life saving aid,
food emergency assistants, bombshelters critical support for those impacted by war.
I've seen the work firsthand in Israel. Nothing short of
amazing what they've accomplished. With your support, and even if
you don't donate, your prayers are much appreciated as well.
(18:39):
Join the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews and praying
for the people of Israel. Together, we can remind Israeli
residents they're not alone. Stand with Israel in prayer today
by visiting PREYIFCJ dot org. That's Prey IFCJ dot org.
(19:05):
We rolled now back down into South Florida, where there
is a primary on Tuesday. Some of you may well
be aware, including Buck, who is in Miami right now.
It's actually ten degrees cooler. I was just asking in
Miami than it is in Nashville today, which does not
happen very often. We are joined now by Jim schwartzel
(19:27):
GOP candidate in Florida's nineteenth congressional districts Southwest Florida, Naples
Cape Corral. You are with many of the stations that
carry this program all over Southwest Florida. You put Rush
Hannity Beck In on the air. We've done a bunch
of events down in southwest Florida. Jim Jordan's going to
(19:52):
be on with us two thirty time. He has endorsed.
You appreciate the time. What can you tell us about
the race?
Speaker 5 (20:00):
The race is very, very crowded. Some people in d C.
I think even Jim Jordan said it was a kind
of the clown car of races in the US because
we have so many people from out of town in it.
I was born here, married my high school sweetheart, raised
my family, and built this radio station ninety two to
(20:20):
five Fox News right here. And you know it's my
opponents are so new to the town half the time,
I don't even think they know how to get to
the beach. And I think there's we're up to twelve candidates.
We got one from California, two from New York, two
from Michigan, two from Illinois.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
So and there's a lot of dark money in this race.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
One of the candidates has five point four million dollars
of it from a RAN poll and Thomas Massey Anti
Trump super pack, So it's a it's a completely manufactured
candidate that's running head Never the candidates never had a job,
never owned a home here or anything like that she
was strictly planted to run in this district, which is
(21:04):
pretty crazy.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Well your district from what I understand. By the way, Jim,
I'm just across the uh the peninsula that's from you. Yeah, yeah,
not far away. I always hear that Naples for people
that start to get a little tired of some of
the stuff going on in Miami Miami Dade area. They're like,
have you have you thought about Naples? It's a a gem,
a gem of a place. But you know, you're a
(21:27):
successful broadcaster and it sounds like you got a great
thing going over there.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Why do you want to.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Be in Congress? Like what what about this appeals to you?
What do you want to do when, if, and when
you get there? Like what what brought this on? I'm
always so curious about that, because you know, we need
people that are successful and happy to run for office
and not just.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
People who have you know, feel like I got nothing
going on?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, well, I you know, my own media companies here
and you know ninety two. I think we need more
business people in Washington. We have far too many just
career politics. Like President Trump, he's a businessman, and you know,
we're losing Byron Donalds. This is Byron donald Cy and
he's going to be our next governor. And Trump needs
(22:10):
another rock solid conservative in this district to support him
in DC. But specifically for me, I look at Senator
Rick Scott, he was a businessman. I look at a
lot of people who are my mentors in the space,
and I think we need more business people in Congress.
They you know, career politicians only know how to spend money.
(22:31):
They don't know how to balance a budget, and we
can do that.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Did you grow up listen to Rush? Jim?
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Oh yeah, well, we were one of the first affiliates
of Rush here in southwest Florida.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Tell us about this. People want to know the history.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Oh yeah, well, you know, my dad actually started the station,
and this was back in ninety eight, maybe ninety seven
when Rush first went into syndication and my dad put
him on the air. I took over the business a
couple like a decade later, and we've done a lot
(23:08):
here in Southwest Florid. We had you guys here, You
guys came to the luminary when you're oh yeah, ed off,
and you know, we've had a lot of fun here.
We've had back in town. We've had Hammity used to
have a house.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Here, so.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
We came down actually and did an event after the
hurricane hit there, because if I remember correctly, your studios
were really decimated in many ways with flooding related damage,
as many places were down there. What is the recovery process? Like,
how so far? Mercifully And I'm knocking on my desk
(23:46):
here as I say it. It's been a very quiet
hurricane season so far. How are things going with the recovery?
There's the what's the prognosis?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Well, I will say, ever since we renamed it the
Gulf of America, we haven't had a hurricane.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
So yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
I feel really good about that. But Southwest Florida has
really bounced back. Almost everything's back. There's a couple of
little places on Fort Myers Beach and Santa Belle that
are still returning, but that's you know, pretty isolated areas
that need recovery. But we're back up and running. People
are moving here every day, you know. They want to
come to the Free State of Florida. And just like
(24:23):
so many of my opponents, they moved here. Some of
them might be moving back. After this race on Tuesday,
I don't think many of them planted very many roots here.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
You you mentioned by the way that you felt like
Byron Donald's was going to win. I think you would
probably sign off on this. Buck certainly would as well.
That Ron DeSantis has had one of the best eight
year ten years that any governor has had in any
of our lives. In terms of how Florida has changed
from the positive direction, I am curious in general, how
(24:53):
do you maintain that momentum in the state. I know
you're running for Congress. The districts have been redrawn to SA.
This has just brought so much Republican support to the state.
How do you keep that momentum?
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Well, I mean, we just need to keep electing Republicans
to office. I mean, we're getting transplants from everywhere with
everything that's going on with DSA in some of these states.
I'm glad Wisconsin pushed back on it.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
But you know, these.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Democrats socialists are causing an exodus from some of these
big cities like New York, and you know, we're getting
those people. And when those people come here, it creates jobs.
So it's been very good for us in Southwest Florida.
And I don't see that stopping anytime.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Soon, Jim, Where should people go? Jim schwartzel by the way,
everybody he's running in Florida's nineteenth. We've got a lot
of people listening in the Naples and a Cape Coral area,
so they are going to be making they're making their votes,
or if they haven't already, but a lot of people
are still going to be going out and voting. Where
can people go if they want to learn more about
your campaign? Which you stand for? How to support you?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Yes, jimfocongress dot com. And Themary is Tuesday. We have
early voting. You can go vote today or tomorrow. And
if you have a mail in ballot, vote are mail
by ballot? Sorry, vote by mail ballot. I wouldn't mail
it because in Florida you're in the ELEC. If it
doesn't make it to the elections office on Tuesday, your
(26:19):
vote doesn't count. So you need to actually drive and
take it into a bowling location. They'll accept it there.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
All right, Jim Schwartz will appreciate you, sir, Thank you
so much. All right, have a great day. Thanks guys,
you too.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Look, you got to protect yourself, you know this, and
for a lot of you. Maybe you've already got your
Second Amendment stuff covered, but do you have a non
lethal It's a good option to have.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Some people my.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
House, Clay's house, our wives like having a non lethal
option defend themselves. Pepper spray for example, or the pepper launcher.
And this is where Saber comes in. Saber is just
the most trusted brand in the space. Their website is
saberprotect dot com s A b r e protect dot com.
They make the best non lethal self protection tools, a
whole range of them. By the way, a lot of
people start out, they get the pepper launcher because that's
(27:07):
just a really cool baseline thing to have, kind of
a foundation for a lot of your non lethal self protection.
But they've got all kinds of sprays and and tech
enabled things, and you'll see it's an incredible one stop
shop for a lot of things that will help keep
you safe and secure in and outside of your home.
Don't wait, get protected now. Go to saber protect dot
(27:28):
com s a b ri protect dot com. Save up
to fifteen percent on select Saber bundles. Go to save
saberprotect dot com or call eight four four A two
four safe eight four four A two four safe. We
(27:48):
have a bunch of calls coming in, a lot of
interesting stuff going on here and here. One of you
want to take this one, agud I think we're just
working this one out before a David and Cleveland, Texas
wants to send us this talk back hit it.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Stop using the left's language. It is a sex test.
Gender refers to nouns. People have two sexes. Stop using
their words.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
This is like, I mean, this is more well when
someone says like they're doing it.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
When someone says what's the gender of your baby, normal
people say a boy or a girl. So I think
we use these pretty interchangeably. What he is I just
some of the corrections. You're morons, Frankly Clay.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
At hard like, no, it's it's true.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Like I think what he's trying to say is gender
identity is a concept that like you can be different genders.
To bucks point, when you say you have a gender
reveal party, no one is out there saying, oh, you're
using the left's terminology.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
It's actually the exact opposite. Oh, or are we going
to have.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
A boy or a girl. We're going to look at
pink or we're gonna look at blue. Some of you
go down rabbit holes and fight battles that are nonsensical
and you miss the larger constructs. Here, just really important
distinction because I see people saying.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
I don't know why they want to cancel Thanksgiving. Matters
talk about what the uh the property tax rate is
going to be. Property tax rates are complicated. I want
them to be as low as possible.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
When somebody says I want to cancel Thanksgiving, you cannot
trust them.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
It cuts through.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So I just some of this, like, there's a lot
of am I wrong? There's a lot of purity testing.
And when you're doing purity testing, you know what you
sound like, you sound like a left winger, Like, oh uh,
like a purity test on the left is men can
become women. When you insist on purity tests, you are
(30:00):
actually taking on left wing tactics and you're not making
good arguments. So I wasn't even gonna play that guy.
Buck didn't hear me going off on producer Greg over
how stupid that talk back was. So this guy walked
into a bus idea.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Well, I'd like the gentleman to continue to listen to
the program and know he's a valued member of this audience,
and I hope he tells friends and family about how
much Clay and Buck is a great show.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
To pick better battles.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
We got a bunch of callers though, Matt in Michigan,
this is an interesting idea, Matt, what you.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Got well, and gentlemen, I think there is an off
ramp for the WNBA. Yes, what you guys can keep
the I think there's an off ramp for the NBA.
The WNBA they can keep their base happy by saying, yes,
you can be a transgendered player, but you have to
have four years of hormone therapy before you can be drafted.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Okay, so this is interesting. I don't think that's a
bad off ramp for them. Here's the challenge they've got.
That requirement isn't in eligibility now. So one of the
challenges that you would have, and this is me analyzing
it legally, is when you have a standard of what
is required in order to be eligible for the WNBA draft.
(31:16):
The players have declared themselves eligible for THEWNBA draft and
smartly written letters and said I specifically fulfill each of
these criteria as you have defined them so far. If
you go back and change the criteria. It would then
be a retroactive alteration that they could sue and say
(31:40):
this is designed to exclude us. If they had been
smart and put that policy in place before now, then
they would be able to cite it and it would
keep them out. But when you change your eligibility guidelines
after people have said that they are eligible, you have
(32:00):
a legal issue out there. So I think that's probably
one of the bits of advice that they are getting.
Matt in That was just mattin Michigan. Michael in Atlanta, Hey, guys,
I agree with you that the WNBA is just absurd,
but I think you're missing a major marketing opportunity and
(32:21):
the league is missing this completely.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
If you take what they want to do, okay, you
can change the name to WMBA or w plus NBA
have men, women, transgenders play, and it could be basically
a league where it's almost like the WWE. You got
guys playing, they can do slam dunks, there could be
(32:47):
certain rules about how many guys are on the floor
compared to the women. They could really have an entertainment league.
And I think they're missing the whole thing because right
now it's just gotten so ridiculous. I think that's the
only way they've getten it. They've got it out.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I mean, look, the problem with your premise is if
you allow men, there will be no women unless you
specifically say this is a co ed league and we
have to have a certain amount of players. You know,
one of the things they've done in the past, Buck
this is not to restrict women or men necessarily, but
(33:26):
a lot of European leagues and a lot of foreign
leagues for basketball, because Americans tend to have more better
players than others, they have said only a certain amount
of Americans can play on a team. So if you're
in an Italian basketball league, for instance, most yeah, most
of them say only one or two Americans are able
(33:49):
to play. And one of the loopholes here is sometimes
people will go back and they'll find out, wait a minute,
I've got a parent who was a citizen of a
different country. I may be eligible to take advantage of this.
And then they get the loophole where they're able to
play even though they're an American because they have a
foreign passport, they don't count against American limits. So this
(34:11):
turns into a whole competitive element there. But my point
on that would be if you said in the WNBA,
now like he was saying, hey, we're going to open
up spots to men, which defeats the entire purpose. But
if you did, you could maybe create a co ed league,
because otherwise, once you by saying that each team has
(34:33):
to have a certain number of players of each sex,
once you allow men in the WNBA, there will be
no more women in the WNBA. And as I pointed out,
one of the challenging factors with this is you make
forty five thousand dollars a year in the G League,
you make five hundred thousand dollars a year in the NBA.
How many of you would raise your hand right now
(34:55):
and say, I feel like a woman if you could
ten x your salary just based on how you identified Reversely,
if you're a woman and you could identify as a man,
I think a lot of you would as well if
you got ten times to pay.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It also would be.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
A lot easier because if you're in that G league,
you're playing against men who are very exceptional athletes in
that sport, Whereas if you're now a man who's going
to play, if you're a G League guy who's going
to play in the women's league. You're going to be
able to do you know, whatever, crossovers and slam dunks
and whatever you want. You see what I mean, It's
(35:30):
less stressful. So not only not only ten xing your salary,
but your day to day job is easier.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yes, way easier.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Again, this is why there's both an economic and a
legal challenge associated with this, beyond just the ridiculous fact
that the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Is saying, Like I said, this is so you could
have the number one female tennis player in the world,
like Sablenca, and you could try to and you could
put her up against the number five hundred like male
player in the world, and that would be easy to
set up, and he would have He would smoke her,
he would beat her handily. And that's five miss why
(36:10):
I put my ten million dollars on the table. Buck
because a high school boys team. I think I could
find tons of eighth grade boys that could play on
a team and crush the wall. What I mean is
the WTA had to do with it did in tennis
because that would just so quickly be exposed as a fraud.
The only way they can protect what they want to
(36:31):
protect the WNBA play is to find some loophole or
some car writers, some way to pretend they'll let men play,
but not actually let them play.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
The challenge with that is it opens them up to
more legal damage and lawsuits, which is why I think
they're in such a tough spot.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Final hour of the week Man
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show News
Hosts And Creators
Clay Travis
Buck Sexton
Show Links
WebsiteNewsletterPopular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by Audiochuck Media Company.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com