August 11, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show is dominated by an extensive discussion of newly emerging details from the so-called “Fauci Files,” COVID-19 vaccine policy, pregnancy-related vaccine concerns, government transparency, public health accountability, and national security questions involving President Donald Trump’s travel security. The hour centers on what the hosts describe as significant revelations from communications and records connected to former White House medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci and the federal government’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic.
The opening segment focuses on Senator Ron Johnson’s ongoing investigation into Fauci’s communications, including text messages and government records related to COVID-era decision-making. Clay and Buck revisit concerns surrounding COVID vaccine safety, myocarditis risks, natural immunity, vaccine mandates, and public messaging from federal health officials. The hosts argue that government agencies and public health leaders presented an image of certainty during the pandemic while allegedly withholding internal discussions about potential risks and ongoing scientific debates. They specifically criticize what they view as the dismissal of alternative viewpoints and the suppression of questions surrounding vaccine side effects, natural immunity, and pandemic response policies.
A major topic throughout Hour 3 is the controversy surrounding COVID vaccination recommendations for pregnant women. The hosts analyze comments from NIH Director Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and revisit claims raised by Senator Ron Johnson regarding pregnancy data from early COVID-era vaccine studies. Clay and Buck discuss reports suggesting concerns existed internally about miscarriage rates among women vaccinated during early pregnancy, while publicly officials continued encouraging vaccination and supporting mandates. They argue that many women faced significant pressure from employers, universities, and government policies to receive the vaccine despite uncertainties that were still being debated by researchers. The conversation repeatedly returns to questions of transparency, informed consent, scientific integrity, and whether government officials adequately informed the public about potential risks.
The show also highlights individual stories from the pandemic period, including the experience of former ESPN reporter Allison Williams, who declined the COVID vaccine due to concerns related to pregnancy and fertility and subsequently lost her job. Clay and Buck use her case as an example of what they view as broader coercive workplace policies during the pandemic. They argue that many Americans were forced to choose between maintaining employment and following their personal medical decisions, particularly women who were pregnant or attempting to start families.
A broader discussion follows about COVID lockdowns, vaccine mandates, censorship, social media moderation, public trust in science, and government authority during emergencies. The hosts contend that officials who aggressively promoted pandemic restrictions have largely avoided accountability despite what they view as significant policy failures. They criticize media organizations, public health institutions, and political leaders who labeled critics as dangerous or anti-science during the height of the pandemic. According to Clay and Buck, the release of additional Fauci communications continues to reshape public understanding of how COVID policy decisions were made and why many Americans remain skeptical of government health guidance.
Later in Hour 3, the conversation shifts to national security and a report detailing extraordinary security measures taken during a recent overseas trip by President Donald Trump. The hosts examine reports that Trump secretly changed aircraft while traveling in Turkey following concerns about a potential Iranian assassination threat. According to the account discussed, individuals accompanying the president believed he had boarded Air Force One, when in reality he had discreetly transferred to another aircraft. Clay and Buck debate whether the disclosure itself may have been intentionally leaked as part of a counterintelligence effort designed to identify unauthorized sources within the government.
Drawing on Buck’s CIA background, the hosts discuss intelligence tradecraft, including the concept of a “canary trap,” in which sensitive information is strategically distributed to uncover leakers. They analyze whether the revelation about Trump’s travel arrangements could have been part of such an operation or whether it reflects genuine concerns about foreign threats. The discussion broadens into a conversation about Iranian assassination plots, presidential security, Air Force One protections, counterterrorism protocols, NATO allies, Turkey’s secur
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour, Clay and Buck kicks off. Now, thanks for
being here everybody. Yesterday we broke the news with all
of you, broke the news to you with you thinking
that Ron Johnson shared with us about the Fauci files,
this time including his text communications on his government home again. Fauci,
(00:22):
I think just assumed that they would do nothing but
build statues to him forever, and nobody would ever go
looking for answers or truth or accountability for anything. So
that's a degree, because a degree of recklessness with his calms,
as we know, writing things down like I'm the most
famous person in the world. You don't want to write
(00:43):
that when other officials are saying we need a million
ventilators because so many Americans are going to be fighting
for their lives and dying. By the way, getting the
ventilators was bad. But that's a whole other conversation. But
this was most recently an issue around the vaccines and
vaccine safety in Ron Johnson. Senator Ron Johnson joined us
and said that it's clear that Fauci knew that there
(01:05):
were at least concerns about possible risks from the vaccines.
As we know, myocarditis is now I need to see
what the official official is. But it's quite clear that
there were risks of myocarditis for young people from the vaccine.
That was a real thing, and for a while, the
social media companies I'm pretty sure would just other ban you,
(01:29):
blackball you, shadow ban you, any of the above if
you even talked about myocarditis during any of this. But
Fauci pretended to know with certainty there were no risks.
The same way Clay, they pretended that natural immunity was
not a thing. They upended centuries of medical knowledge and precedent.
(01:50):
They pretended because that would have complicated their efforts to
make everyone get the vaccine. They said natural immunity for
COVID is not valid based on what nothing. It just
would have been harder for them to make everybody get
the vaccine if they would have admitted what was true.
So on the issue of the vaccine for women who
(02:12):
are pregnant, now this is very sensitive, understandably an emotional
topic for a lot of women who felt pressured maybe
to get the vaccine while they were pregnant, or who
felt the tremendous pressure even if they didn't get the
vaccine while they were pregnant. And then they had to
deal with that. Maybe they got fired, maybe they had
problems at their jobs. Fauci was not speaking honestly about this,
(02:33):
and doctor J. Batcherio had this to say on Fox
Play It, chairing off Cut thirty.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
In December twenty twenty, I published an op that in
the Wall Street Journal arguing that we should take a
focus to protection approach to the vaccine as well, where
the benefits are likely to outweigh the potential harms, which
we didn't all know all of them, because it was
December of twenty twenty. We just the vaccine just come out.
It might make sense for older people, for younger people,
and for people like and pregnant women, where we don't
(03:03):
know all the risks and we don't have the full picture.
It didn't make any sense to me to recommend and
certainly not to mandate the vaccine. I was aware, of course,
of the raging scientific debate around this, which actually continues
to this day, of regarding some of those side effects.
The responsible thing to do that the Tony fact he
didn't do, was to make those concerns that he had public.
(03:25):
He was a very prominent public figure. Response he got
a presidential Medal of Award for the development of the vaccine.
He had a responsibility to the public to tell the
public what his thinking actually was, and he failed to
do that at the time. As well. He leaned into
the mandates denied natural immunity essentially required that everyone should
take regardless of the benefit harm calculation. And I think
(03:45):
to me, that's the problem. He stepped out of his
lane as the head of Naiad, which is supposed to
fund the science behind the vaccines, not make recommendations about
the vaccines everybody. And when he did so, he had
a responsibility to take that really seriously and reflect the
scientific debate to the public at large.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Clay, you remember, I remember the official word on this
was there are no there are no risks with the
COVID vaccine, which by the way, would be the first
time in history that a vaccine had absolutely no risk,
right everything. You know, taking an ibuprofen has a risk,
you know, but no risks. And if you even brought
(04:24):
up the possibility of risk, you were a bad person,
You were shut down, You were anti science. What Ron
Johnson said to us yesterday, and if we can grab
that audio, it's it's gone viral. It's been ricocheting all
over the place. Was that when they did the study
that Fauci was referencing in the text message, they were
(04:48):
testing all pregnant women, and all pregnant women I believe
he said had a miscarriage rate of about twelve percent
after getting the COVID shot. But if you I only
looked at first trimester pregnancies, the rate was eighty one percent.
(05:10):
That is a holy crap moment.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
And I think a lot of women who had babies
or were pregnant around that twenty twenty era. I think
that they are all now texting each other. And if
you are unfortunate enough to have a miscarriage, there are
obviously lots of things that can cause that. But for
(05:35):
many tens of millions of women out there that were
pregnant and were forced during that COVID era to take
the COVID shot in order to keep their jobs, to me,
it's criminal buck because if you analyze the risk for
women sixteen to forty, which is most women who are
(05:58):
having babies, COVID created and provided for them virtually zero
percent risk. All of life is about balancing out risk
versus reward. It's about risk analysis. In general, there was
virtually zero risk to pregnant women, and many of them
were forced to get the COVID shot to keep their jobs.
(06:21):
I know one because we had her on back in
the day. Alison Williams is a sideline reporter for what
was a sideline reporter for ESPN. In order to go
stand on the sideline and cover college football games, Buck Disney,
which owns ESPN, told Alison Williams she had to get
(06:43):
the COVID shot. She said, no, she's either pregnant or
she was in the process of trying to have children.
She said, I do not think this is necessary for
my health. They fired her, and she's now working at Fox.
To Fox's credit, they hired her. Allison's great. She may
be listening right now or may hear this clip, But
(07:04):
I'm just using her story as one that was emblematic
of a choice that many pregnant women were forced to make.
Do you want to get the COVID shot or do
you want to keep your job? And if you're pregnant
and they're putting that pressure on you, I just think
it's indefensible. And this is why I come back around
(07:25):
to Fauci in the text messages, knew that the risk
was there, and he went out and said the exact
opposite publicly to what he was saying privately. And I
just think that's one of the great indictments of modern politics.
They are all sorts of people that I disagree with, Buck,
(07:46):
that you disagree with. If they're saying publicly and privately
the same thing, we can debate and have a discussion
about what the right policy choice is. But doctor Fauci
and these other men had coal experts, saw the data
that suggested there could be danger from pregnant women getting
(08:07):
the COVID shot, and they didn't share publicly what they
were all saying privately. That's indefensible to me. It's criminal.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
He was phony, Tony. Yeah, he was lying about the
certainty that he had on on some things. And I
would also note, you know, I would just there's so
much now effort to try to rewrite what was done
and said those of us who were trying to push
for sanity and transparency, and you know, those of us
(08:37):
who had hit pieces written about them for in many
cases being right about this stuff from Maje. And remember,
if you would a hit piece written about you with
this Clay. It wasn't oh, look at this guy's foolish.
It was people are dying because of you. Yes, that
was the attitude that.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Was written about me. I mean, like you can google
now people are like Clay's killing people by saying we
should open schools. Back up.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I mean there were there were major newspapers lying about me,
saying that I was, you know, saying crazy things. I wasn't.
I didn't say anything crazy during COVID. If anything, I
should have said crazier things in terms of how evil
what they were doing was. But I just there's there's
no honest defense of of fauci Ism and what was
done and the way that I think that the science
(09:25):
was most commonly and consistently betrayed by the not just
doctor Fauci, but everybody, the whole system that went along
with them, all the hospital systems, all the different mds,
all the doctors, all the researchers, all the people who
are like, I have a master's in public health on Twitter,
So you shut up. I know what I'm talking about. Really,
why doesn't natural immunity count? The no answers, no answers,
(09:49):
It was I want something, You shut up. Therefore, the
science conforms to what I want, my team wants something.
You'd be quiet, and that's the way we're going to
go on all that. That was the way they did
it on everything. Remember the Biden speech with the red
in the background and the Marines, the winter of death
for people who were unvaccinated, the vaccine unless you were
(10:10):
really old, and really basically the vaccine was just like
a it's a parallel to flu.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Do you or I need a flu vaccine? No, we
do not. Do.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Some people who are much older need a flu vaccine.
If they want it, then their doctor recommends it. Maybe
a lot of times it's worthless, which even the flu
vaccine manufacturers will admit because they have to guess the
strain and you know, sometimes it's basically a zero and
a best case scenario just reduces symptoms. But the point
is they acted like, if you won't get this, you
(10:40):
have a cure for a bola, and you would rather
just give people a bola. That was the mentality. Yeah,
you are murdering people with your intransience.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I know all of you refuse this. You know you
all know, and.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
There are a lot of people are still very angry
about it. Look, there are people on the right who
are very prominent still who were big get the vaccine.
You're an idiot people, and they paid no price and
they still have you know, TV shows or podcast or whatever,
and everyone's like, oh, I guess you know they were
really wrong, and I think they should apologize too, by
the way, and I'm talking about some people who are
at least ostensibly conservative.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
So this whole thing is not over yet.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
And for people who want to think that it's over,
play as I as I've remember, We've had people on
the show and I've asked them about this. We asked,
I asked Ron John about this, Why don't we have
an official statement of what was wrong, what was done
wrong by government during COVID by the government now under Trump?
Nobody will give me a good answer, which just means
they'll do it again if they can't everybody.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I would also point out for people who say, why
is this a news story, it's been six years because
Fauci's a moron. He kept a diary on a government
computer that they were able to uncover, and he used
a taxpayer funded phone throughout his entire time at INNIH.
(12:00):
There's thirty four thousand text messages. Yesterday, Ron Johnson, Senator
from Wisconsin, came on with us to share that data
on the COVID and miscarriages. And I guarantee you again,
I know this to be true if you or your daughter,
or your granddaughter or your sister, if somebody had a
(12:22):
miscarriage during COVID. They are just now finding out that
the government knew way back in January of twenty twenty
one about the dangers that could be connected to the
COVID shot for pregnant mothers in their first trimester, and
they didn't say anything worse than that. They told you
(12:43):
you'd get fired. You had women who were two months
pregnant out there trying to decide am I going to
be able to keep my job if I don't get
the COVID shot. And that's why I mentioned that Alison
Williams story of ESPN, and I give her immense credit
because she spoke out and said, I'm trying to have babies.
It for health reasons. My doctor. Some doctors said this,
(13:04):
you don't need to get the COVID shot. Disney said,
get the COVID shot, or we're going to fire you.
They fired her. There are a lot of people I think,
just like Alison Williams out there that now are sitting
around and you're furious. And by the way, you may
not know, because there are miscarriages that happen for a
lot of reasons in that first trimester. But my goodness,
(13:27):
when you're not eating sushi, and you're not drinking a
glass of wine, and you're not taking roller coasters, all
these things that they say to do when you find
out you're pregnant, not a COVID shot. I just I'm furious.
And fortunately I didn't have anybody in my own life
that was dealing with a pregnancy during COVID, but I'm
furious on their behalf.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, it's something that people should be very angry about.
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in Clay and Buck. We are rolling through the Tuesday
edition of the program. I was mentioning Senator Ron Johnson
on yesterday, this is a little bit confusing because of
the way I mean, it's just a lot of math.
But I want to play it for you again because
what he said, was the overall rate of miscarriage for
(15:25):
the test group that they had back in January of
twenty twenty one was twelve percent, which is according to
Ron Johnson high, but for first trimester COVID shots it
was nearly eighty two percent. Here is what Senator Johnson
told us yesterday. Listen.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Tom shem Baccernel, he used, the man in charge of
Stagy survealo Systems for CDC published a grossly misleading paper
in the New England Journal Medicine where they looked at
eight hundred and twenty seven confirmed pregnancies. Seven hundred those
pregnancy the women got their code injection in the third
(16:03):
tried mester after twenty eight weeks. Of those eight hundred
and twenty seven, one hundred and four suffered a spontaneous
abortion or miscarriage. The problem with those status is they
took the one hundred and four divided by eight to
twenty seven came up with a miscarriage rate of twelve
point six percent, which is about four times the rate
(16:24):
of normal miscarriage rate on a confirmed pregnancy. But here's
what they did that was so grossly misleading. Seven hundred
of those women got their injection in the third tried mester.
A miscarriage is an or spontaneous abortions defines anything up
to twenty weeks, So the relevant denomination about one hundred
(16:44):
and four miscarriages divided by one hundred and twenty seven,
which puts a miscarriage rate at eighty two per SEP.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Again, lots of math there, buck, but early pregnancy miscarriage
rates win connected to the COVID shot. According to Senator
Ron Johnson, there eighty two percent. Now that's a small
sample size, and I'm sure there's other data out there.
My point is, in January of twenty twenty one, by
(17:15):
his own admission in text messages, doctor fauci knew that
that risk was out there, yet publicly he was telling
all the women who were pregnant out there, you should
still go get the COVID shot. It's the best thing
you can do for you and your baby. That wasn't
true and for pregnant women, I again I guarantee you
(17:37):
the number of people who are young moms that are
texting about this is through the roof The MAHA movement
to a large extent, is connected to much of this,
and I think the fallouts just starting from what Fauci
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Clay and a couple stories I want to dive into
here that we've won. We've talked about a bit, which
is this lsied guy running for Democrat Senate in Michigan
or Senate as a Democrat in Michigan, and some of
(19:14):
the craziest things.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
That he said.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
But before we get there, because if we don't get
there right now, I'm sure. I'm sure we will get
there tomorrow. Clay, do you want to take it away
with the details of this story of Air Force one
Trump whisked away from Turkey threat from Iran hidden in
a Trump was hidden they say? This is the New
York Times and the Washington Post in a food service
(19:39):
cart of some kind. Pretty wild stuff. You are you
are interested in this?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
What do you make of it all? So I want
to get your take on this. So last night I'm
reading I'm going to read a couple of paragraphs for
those of you who did not read this. The Washington Post,
with a story with four different reporters writing on it,
said the clandestine mission, which has not been reported previously,
(20:07):
was carried out unbeknownst to journalists and some White House
staff members who believed they were on the same plane
as the president. According to material reviewed by the Post,
a US official familiar with the operation and another person
with knowledge of the president's travel people spoke on the
condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk
(20:27):
about the matter. Okay, so here's what happened. Basically, President
Trump boarded. There were three different planes at least that
were a part of this travel group to Turkey. Here
about a month ago, President Trump left the new air
Force one that's the Katari jet, and boarded the old
(20:48):
air Force one. Walked up the steps, boarded the plane.
They say that the for those of you who ever
paid attention to the front of an airplane, the door
that is not the one you get off on can
open up, and usually does. And that's where they bring
on the food. The sort of the hospitality cart as
(21:10):
it were, for the airplane pulls up on the other side.
They open that door. They bring on all sorts of
stuff through there. President Trump boarded the plane, they say,
walked basically straight through, got in to this otherwise beverage
sort of cart that they pull up. They took him down,
(21:33):
and then he got on the plane that Pete Hegseth
was on. Secretly, everybody thought he was on Air Force One.
He was actually flying on a smaller Air Force plane
with the Secretary of War Pete Hegseth. Now, I don't
know how often this happens, Right, I have flown on
Air Force One. When the president gets on the plane.
(21:56):
The presumption is the president still on the plane.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
They snuck him off due to they say, an Iranian
assassination attempt or threat. I My question for you, Buck is,
as I'm reading this last night getting ready for bed,
my wife said, oh, I think this was a leak,
and they're trying to catch the person who actually shared
(22:22):
this with the Washington Post because there was an investigation
into the report that he had changed jets, which they
said violated national security. To me, Buck, the president secretly
getting on different planes is even much more of a
story if it's not wanted to be out there. So
you worked in the CIA, how would you assess this?
(22:46):
What is the story here? The White House did not
deny it, which I thought was interesting, and the Washington
Post obviously has treated this as a huge coup or
a huge story and is kind of amazing. I didn't
know this ever happened, So what are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
So in counterintelligence trade craft, they would call this a
canary trap, where you put information out there to see
if you're trying to see about finding a leak or
find the mole.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
That's the other way people will talk about this.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
They will put it out a canary trap is they'll
say something, you know, like if I tell Clay, hey,
I'm going to be at this really expensive steakhouse on Thursday,
and then the New York Times prints that, and Clay
is the only person I told, and I'm actually going
to be somewhere else on Thursday, guess what canary trap?
(23:43):
Right now, I know who it is. So you think
that may have been to me?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Lura asked me that question. I was like, Oh, that's
super because it doesn't make sense to me that you
would want this to be out publicly that the president
does it, because it would I just it seems very
it seems important to keep that secure. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, Well, the one thing that I think is funny
is apparently the presspool journalists whom I've never well, I've joined,
I've never been one, but I've sort of been along
with them, with the Secretary of State and with the
Secretary of Defense in the past. Haven't done them with
the president. But you're kind of herded along, like you
ever see kids when they're being taken to like a
(24:31):
you know, a museum or something, and they all have
to hold it's like a rope that they hold when
you're at you and they put you in a van
and you just kind of follow along. Yeah, they treat
you like grammar school kids. Yeah, going to the museum together,
like you're just sort of this little gaggle. And and
was funny thing is too. I was with the ones
and they were like, Okay, we have to get the
(24:51):
opening shot. Run And I was just like walking like
I'm not running, Like I'm not here to take photos
of the Secretary of State walking into this buil thing,
like I'm here because he wants me to interview him.
It's a little different, but nonetheless, it's anyway, it's not
a job that it's one of those things that sounds
a lot more glamorous than it is. I will tell you,
Like presspool and Air Force one or presspool with the
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Secretary of State. It's a good thing to cut your
teeth maybe as you're making your way up in the
media world that you know some stories anyway, But Clay,
they were really ticked off apparently that they were considered
cannon fodder so to speed in case there was a
real threat against the president. It's like, well, your plane
may go down, but at least Trump's fine. You know
that the journalists were not happy about this, but guess
(25:34):
what Secret Service isn't there to protect the journalist. Secret
Service is there to protect the president. So that's not
a surprise.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, it just does it. You're if you're upset that
the fact that there were multiple planes used by the
president goes public and they're conducting an investigation into how
that gets out, then to me, the fact that the
president is basically entering and they're playing the video right
now on CNN, the videos up there of Trump climbing
(26:01):
the stairs, going into Air Force One and then evidently
just walking basically straight through the airplane and getting off
on the other side of the airplane and going to
a new one, and then again, Yeah, if the plane
had gotten shot down, all the journalists would be dead
and the President would be on a different plane. Can
you imagine that reveal You're like, oh, my goodness, Air
Force one has been struck, it's gone down, everybody is
(26:24):
everybody's dead, and then Trump just gets off another plane.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
It would be a crazy situation, But I mean it
would be the craziest thing since a bullet grazed his
ear and he said fight, fight, fight, which was also
a real thing that happened, and pretty wild and crazy
in retrospect at that. But I don't know how often
this happens.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I do think that there is a significant and worthy
discussion surrounding how this story got out, who leaked it,
and the fact that the White House didn't deny it
is what kind of makes me think that it may
have been intentional and designed to smoke somebody out.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
So, I mean, it's a lot of effort. It's a
lot of effort to smoke out a leaguer. What I
took from this was actually the surprise that the threat
from Iran could be high enough as a against presidential
security that they would really be worried about this. That
was a little bit surprising to me. There have been
(27:25):
some pretty kind of out there but serious or taken
seriously plots in the past. Remember the Iranians were going
to assassinate an ambassador and in a restaurant in DC
that actually I know quite well have been do many times,
kind of a well known place in Georgetown. So the
Iranians have had this kind of stuff before in the past.
But for the President to change flight, let's just say
(27:47):
that what maybe you're just saying is true. I don't
actually have a clear view on that. To me, it
seems like a lot of trouble to go through to
smoke out a leaguer, but doesn't mean it's not what happened.
The alternative is that the Iranian threat against the Trump administration,
or against President Trump rather himself was so intense in
that moment that they would change his flight schedule in
(28:10):
response to it. I'm surprised the Iranians have that kind
of capability, even of theoretical capability to worry the president
with a service detail. Remember where this would have been
in Turkey, where he's a guest of the Turkish government.
The Turks have the Turks have very serious internal security
apparatus as well.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
So you know, a little surprised let me just say this,
you may have better knowledge of service to air missiles
than me when I'm only full on Air Force one,
you know, on one trip, but it was multiple different flights.
I thought that there would be a jet escort in
some way that was visible with Air Force one, meaning
(28:52):
I thought when I sat in the window and looked
out that there would be some deterrent effect, meaning there's
a jet out they are way off in the distance
or something.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
You thought, you're an executive decision Kurt Russell, steven Sagal.
I don't remember that movie.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Am I?
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
But am I crazy? Like I thought? I remember I
was sitting there and I'm like, do they not? Do
we not have like a jet, you know, escort in
some way that is visible out there? There isn't How
we don't know what deterrence mechanisms air Force one has.
How difficult would it be to hit Air Force one?
(29:27):
Or I'm worried about this for a long time. The
marine one, right, the helicopters that fly over DC all
the time, they have two of those, and the idea
is you never know which one the president is in.
That's the reason that I've been told, and maybe that
they have to have multiple other people traveling, but they
always have two. If you're in DC and you see
marine one, you don't know which one the president?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
You think, do you think like the movie Dave, there's
a doppel ganger of the president as well, who goes
around like the best president ever. I'm telling you right
now the most beautiful.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Because there's a of Trump impersonators. But my question is
how hard is it with a surface to air missile
to hit because if they're rainy, and when you're talking
about a man PAD, I think WOUL would be a
man portable air defense system like a shoulder fired missile
that they call the man pads.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
SAM usually people is referring to is like when Summ
says a surface air missile and SAM usually I think
it's a like a mechanized more like a Russian S
three hundred system or something like that. But with a
man PAD system, I would look, First of all, I
have never read anything. I've never seen anything about the
classified about the President's defense, so I'm just guessing.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
But the you know, you would assume that there are
countermeasures on board Air Force one that would things like
you know, chaff and some of the guys you know
air defense and aviation way better than me, would be
able to weigh in here. But I'm sure there are countermeasures.
It's not just like we hope that nobody can pop
up shot at the plane.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
That would be what I would think they might have
been nervous about in Turkey, because otherwise why would he
be changing planes? Like they must think, Like I don't
think that they're thinking, Oh, somebody's going to try to
shoot him.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
As he's boarding the plane, right, they must think that
there's some sort or they were trying to smuggle a
bomb onto the plane. There might have been a concern
with somebody you metically, you.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Wouldn't want to take that off then, right, like you
wouldn't want to get in the air with a bomb
on the plane. To me, the most like, and again
this is not my level of expertise, but the most
likely plot that they thought existed to me seems to
be that it would be somebody firing at the plane
when it's in the air. Because but then it goes
back to the journalists, they really are cannon fodder.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Well, well, this is the thing is the journalists stayed
on the plane and They're like, so we all get
blown up. If this actually gets blown up, the President's fine,
and that's just the way that it is. Meanwhile, we're
here to cover the president. I would say, yeah, Clay,
I mean the the manpad threat to aviation of something
that counter terrorism analysts have been you know, analyzing and
looking at everything for a long time. The truth is
(31:56):
that any whether it's a plane or a hel take
off and landing the most vulnerable periods yep in you know,
top to bottom always, so you always have some threat
there because you're close to the ground. The thing about
all some of the man pads can go really high
with their range. Some of them are much much you know,
slower or lower ceiling that that's very possible. I don't
(32:19):
I don't know. They might have gotten some chatter about
it and they just didn't want to take a chance.
And also, I said, Turkey is a serious security apparatus.
How much do we how much do we trust Turkey?
That's a whole other question.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
It's not the UK.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I'm just gonna put it that way. It's not the UK,
it's not Canada, you know. I would put trump safety
in the hands of the Brits or the Canadians entirely
without a say, I would say he wouldn't even eat
Secret Service in those countries based on their desire to
protect our president. Honestly, no, I'm not. I'm not saying
he would do that, but it just they're they're they're
on our team when it comes to safety of our president. Turkey,
(32:55):
I think so. I think they are. I don't know
if they're as on it though as some of the
I'll just say that, so, I think that that flying
out of Turkey. I know they're a NATO partner, blah
blah blah. I know all that, but it's Turkey.
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Speaker 5 (35:13):
Halfnoon, guys, I think you're both correct. One it may
have been a canary trap and two the manpad threat
in that region. And as I told your screener when
this met made the news, watching CBS Evening News with
Tony Ducopple and looking at the video and then double
(35:36):
checking some photos, there's an IR countermeasures that's installed on
the older VC twenty five A. I saw it on
the flight line when President Clinton visited Luke Air Force
Base and recognized what it was then, and the video
and photos of the new VC twenty five B bridge
(36:01):
it does not have that similar system installed above each
of the engines on the back of the pylons and
just looking at the photos. Both of you and listeners
could look at the external photos have an idea of
what's installed. But if that leaker passed on other and
(36:23):
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Oh and it's a n ALQ TWOL four Mattador. If
anybody the technology nerds are going to go running.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Around online to find it, there you go. That seems
super super specific. Buck on what exactly the protective mechanisms are.
I am out tomorrow, got a family member having a
medical procedure. Everything should be fine, but I will be
back on Thursday. You've got a soo thanks for listening.
Third hour, Clay and Buck kicks off. Now, thanks for
being here everybody. Yesterday we broke the news with all
of you, broke the news to you with you thinking
that Ron Johnson shared with us about the Fauci files,
this time including his text communications on his government home again. Fauci,
(00:22):
I think just assumed that they would do nothing but
build statues to him forever, and nobody would ever go
looking for answers or truth or accountability for anything. So
that's a degree, because a degree of recklessness with his calms,
as we know, writing things down like I'm the most
famous person in the world. You don't want to write
(00:43):
that when other officials are saying we need a million
ventilators because so many Americans are going to be fighting
for their lives and dying. By the way, getting the
ventilators was bad. But that's a whole other conversation. But
this was most recently an issue around the vaccines and
vaccine safety in Ron Johnson. Senator Ron Johnson joined us
and said that it's clear that Fauci knew that there
(01:05):
were at least concerns about possible risks from the vaccines.
As we know, myocarditis is now I need to see
what the official official is. But it's quite clear that
there were risks of myocarditis for young people from the vaccine.
That was a real thing, and for a while, the
social media companies I'm pretty sure would just other ban you,
(01:29):
blackball you, shadow ban you, any of the above if
you even talked about myocarditis during any of this. But
Fauci pretended to know with certainty there were no risks.
The same way Clay, they pretended that natural immunity was
not a thing. They upended centuries of medical knowledge and precedent.
(01:50):
They pretended because that would have complicated their efforts to
make everyone get the vaccine. They said natural immunity for
COVID is not valid based on what nothing. It just
would have been harder for them to make everybody get
the vaccine if they would have admitted what was true.
So on the issue of the vaccine for women who
(02:12):
are pregnant, now this is very sensitive, understandably an emotional
topic for a lot of women who felt pressured maybe
to get the vaccine while they were pregnant, or who
felt the tremendous pressure even if they didn't get the
vaccine while they were pregnant. And then they had to
deal with that. Maybe they got fired, maybe they had
problems at their jobs. Fauci was not speaking honestly about this,
(02:33):
and doctor J. Batcherio had this to say on Fox
Play It, chairing off Cut thirty.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
In December twenty twenty, I published an op that in
the Wall Street Journal arguing that we should take a
focus to protection approach to the vaccine as well, where
the benefits are likely to outweigh the potential harms, which
we didn't all know all of them, because it was
December of twenty twenty. We just the vaccine just come out.
It might make sense for older people, for younger people,
and for people like and pregnant women, where we don't
(03:03):
know all the risks and we don't have the full picture.
It didn't make any sense to me to recommend and
certainly not to mandate the vaccine. I was aware, of course,
of the raging scientific debate around this, which actually continues
to this day, of regarding some of those side effects.
The responsible thing to do that the Tony fact he
didn't do, was to make those concerns that he had public.
(03:25):
He was a very prominent public figure. Response he got
a presidential Medal of Award for the development of the vaccine.
He had a responsibility to the public to tell the
public what his thinking actually was, and he failed to
do that at the time. As well. He leaned into
the mandates denied natural immunity essentially required that everyone should
take regardless of the benefit harm calculation. And I think
(03:45):
to me, that's the problem. He stepped out of his
lane as the head of Naiad, which is supposed to
fund the science behind the vaccines, not make recommendations about
the vaccines everybody. And when he did so, he had
a responsibility to take that really seriously and reflect the
scientific debate to the public at large.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Clay, you remember, I remember the official word on this
was there are no there are no risks with the
COVID vaccine, which by the way, would be the first
time in history that a vaccine had absolutely no risk,
right everything. You know, taking an ibuprofen has a risk,
you know, but no risks. And if you even brought
(04:24):
up the possibility of risk, you were a bad person,
You were shut down, You were anti science. What Ron
Johnson said to us yesterday, and if we can grab
that audio, it's it's gone viral. It's been ricocheting all
over the place. Was that when they did the study
that Fauci was referencing in the text message, they were
(04:48):
testing all pregnant women, and all pregnant women I believe
he said had a miscarriage rate of about twelve percent
after getting the COVID shot. But if you I only
looked at first trimester pregnancies, the rate was eighty one percent.
(05:10):
That is a holy crap moment.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
And I think a lot of women who had babies
or were pregnant around that twenty twenty era. I think
that they are all now texting each other. And if
you are unfortunate enough to have a miscarriage, there are
obviously lots of things that can cause that. But for
(05:35):
many tens of millions of women out there that were
pregnant and were forced during that COVID era to take
the COVID shot in order to keep their jobs, to me,
it's criminal buck because if you analyze the risk for
women sixteen to forty, which is most women who are
(05:58):
having babies, COVID created and provided for them virtually zero
percent risk. All of life is about balancing out risk
versus reward. It's about risk analysis. In general, there was
virtually zero risk to pregnant women, and many of them
were forced to get the COVID shot to keep their jobs.
(06:21):
I know one because we had her on back in
the day. Alison Williams is a sideline reporter for what
was a sideline reporter for ESPN. In order to go
stand on the sideline and cover college football games, Buck Disney,
which owns ESPN, told Alison Williams she had to get
(06:43):
the COVID shot. She said, no, she's either pregnant or
she was in the process of trying to have children.
She said, I do not think this is necessary for
my health. They fired her, and she's now working at Fox.
To Fox's credit, they hired her. Allison's great. She may
be listening right now or may hear this clip, But
(07:04):
I'm just using her story as one that was emblematic
of a choice that many pregnant women were forced to make.
Do you want to get the COVID shot or do
you want to keep your job? And if you're pregnant
and they're putting that pressure on you, I just think
it's indefensible. And this is why I come back around
(07:25):
to Fauci in the text messages, knew that the risk
was there, and he went out and said the exact
opposite publicly to what he was saying privately. And I
just think that's one of the great indictments of modern politics.
They are all sorts of people that I disagree with, Buck,
(07:46):
that you disagree with. If they're saying publicly and privately
the same thing, we can debate and have a discussion
about what the right policy choice is. But doctor Fauci
and these other men had coal experts, saw the data
that suggested there could be danger from pregnant women getting
(08:07):
the COVID shot, and they didn't share publicly what they
were all saying privately. That's indefensible to me. It's criminal.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
He was phony, Tony. Yeah, he was lying about the
certainty that he had on on some things. And I
would also note, you know, I would just there's so
much now effort to try to rewrite what was done
and said those of us who were trying to push
for sanity and transparency, and you know, those of us
(08:37):
who had hit pieces written about them for in many
cases being right about this stuff from Maje. And remember,
if you would a hit piece written about you with
this Clay. It wasn't oh, look at this guy's foolish.
It was people are dying because of you. Yes, that
was the attitude that.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Was written about me. I mean, like you can google
now people are like Clay's killing people by saying we
should open schools. Back up.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I mean there were there were major newspapers lying about me,
saying that I was, you know, saying crazy things. I wasn't.
I didn't say anything crazy during COVID. If anything, I
should have said crazier things in terms of how evil
what they were doing was. But I just there's there's
no honest defense of of fauci Ism and what was
done and the way that I think that the science
(09:25):
was most commonly and consistently betrayed by the not just
doctor Fauci, but everybody, the whole system that went along
with them, all the hospital systems, all the different mds,
all the doctors, all the researchers, all the people who
are like, I have a master's in public health on Twitter,
So you shut up. I know what I'm talking about. Really,
why doesn't natural immunity count? The no answers, no answers,
(09:49):
It was I want something, You shut up. Therefore, the
science conforms to what I want, my team wants something.
You'd be quiet, and that's the way we're going to
go on all that. That was the way they did
it on everything. Remember the Biden speech with the red
in the background and the Marines, the winter of death
for people who were unvaccinated, the vaccine unless you were
(10:10):
really old, and really basically the vaccine was just like
a it's a parallel to flu.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Do you or I need a flu vaccine? No, we
do not. Do.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Some people who are much older need a flu vaccine.
If they want it, then their doctor recommends it. Maybe
a lot of times it's worthless, which even the flu
vaccine manufacturers will admit because they have to guess the
strain and you know, sometimes it's basically a zero and
a best case scenario just reduces symptoms. But the point
is they acted like, if you won't get this, you
(10:40):
have a cure for a bola, and you would rather
just give people a bola. That was the mentality. Yeah,
you are murdering people with your intransience.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I know all of you refuse this. You know you
all know, and.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
There are a lot of people are still very angry
about it. Look, there are people on the right who
are very prominent still who were big get the vaccine.
You're an idiot people, and they paid no price and
they still have you know, TV shows or podcast or whatever,
and everyone's like, oh, I guess you know they were
really wrong, and I think they should apologize too, by
the way, and I'm talking about some people who are
at least ostensibly conservative.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
So this whole thing is not over yet.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
And for people who want to think that it's over,
play as I as I've remember, We've had people on
the show and I've asked them about this. We asked,
I asked Ron John about this, Why don't we have
an official statement of what was wrong, what was done
wrong by government during COVID by the government now under Trump?
Nobody will give me a good answer, which just means
they'll do it again if they can't everybody.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I would also point out for people who say, why
is this a news story, it's been six years because
Fauci's a moron. He kept a diary on a government
computer that they were able to uncover, and he used
a taxpayer funded phone throughout his entire time at INNIH.
(12:00):
There's thirty four thousand text messages. Yesterday, Ron Johnson, Senator
from Wisconsin, came on with us to share that data
on the COVID and miscarriages. And I guarantee you again,
I know this to be true if you or your daughter,
or your granddaughter or your sister, if somebody had a
(12:22):
miscarriage during COVID. They are just now finding out that
the government knew way back in January of twenty twenty
one about the dangers that could be connected to the
COVID shot for pregnant mothers in their first trimester, and
they didn't say anything worse than that. They told you
(12:43):
you'd get fired. You had women who were two months
pregnant out there trying to decide am I going to
be able to keep my job if I don't get
the COVID shot. And that's why I mentioned that Alison
Williams story of ESPN, and I give her immense credit
because she spoke out and said, I'm trying to have babies.
It for health reasons. My doctor. Some doctors said this,
(13:04):
you don't need to get the COVID shot. Disney said,
get the COVID shot, or we're going to fire you.
They fired her. There are a lot of people I think,
just like Alison Williams out there that now are sitting
around and you're furious. And by the way, you may
not know, because there are miscarriages that happen for a
lot of reasons in that first trimester. But my goodness,
(13:27):
when you're not eating sushi, and you're not drinking a
glass of wine, and you're not taking roller coasters, all
these things that they say to do when you find
out you're pregnant, not a COVID shot. I just I'm furious.
And fortunately I didn't have anybody in my own life
that was dealing with a pregnancy during COVID, but I'm
furious on their behalf.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, it's something that people should be very angry about.
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edition of the program. I was mentioning Senator Ron Johnson
on yesterday, this is a little bit confusing because of
the way I mean, it's just a lot of math.
But I want to play it for you again because
what he said, was the overall rate of miscarriage for
(15:25):
the test group that they had back in January of
twenty twenty one was twelve percent, which is according to
Ron Johnson high, but for first trimester COVID shots it
was nearly eighty two percent. Here is what Senator Johnson
told us yesterday. Listen.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Tom shem Baccernel, he used, the man in charge of
Stagy survealo Systems for CDC published a grossly misleading paper
in the New England Journal Medicine where they looked at
eight hundred and twenty seven confirmed pregnancies. Seven hundred those
pregnancy the women got their code injection in the third
(16:03):
tried mester after twenty eight weeks. Of those eight hundred
and twenty seven, one hundred and four suffered a spontaneous
abortion or miscarriage. The problem with those status is they
took the one hundred and four divided by eight to
twenty seven came up with a miscarriage rate of twelve
point six percent, which is about four times the rate
(16:24):
of normal miscarriage rate on a confirmed pregnancy. But here's
what they did that was so grossly misleading. Seven hundred
of those women got their injection in the third tried mester.
A miscarriage is an or spontaneous abortions defines anything up
to twenty weeks, So the relevant denomination about one hundred
(16:44):
and four miscarriages divided by one hundred and twenty seven,
which puts a miscarriage rate at eighty two per SEP.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Again, lots of math there, buck, but early pregnancy miscarriage
rates win connected to the COVID shot. According to Senator
Ron Johnson, there eighty two percent. Now that's a small
sample size, and I'm sure there's other data out there.
My point is, in January of twenty twenty one, by
(17:15):
his own admission in text messages, doctor fauci knew that
that risk was out there, yet publicly he was telling
all the women who were pregnant out there, you should
still go get the COVID shot. It's the best thing
you can do for you and your baby. That wasn't
true and for pregnant women, I again I guarantee you
(17:37):
the number of people who are young moms that are
texting about this is through the roof The MAHA movement
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Clay and a couple stories I want to dive into
here that we've won. We've talked about a bit, which
is this lsied guy running for Democrat Senate in Michigan
or Senate as a Democrat in Michigan, and some of
(19:14):
the craziest things.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
That he said.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
But before we get there, because if we don't get
there right now, I'm sure. I'm sure we will get
there tomorrow. Clay, do you want to take it away
with the details of this story of Air Force one
Trump whisked away from Turkey threat from Iran hidden in
a Trump was hidden they say? This is the New
York Times and the Washington Post in a food service
(19:39):
cart of some kind. Pretty wild stuff. You are you
are interested in this?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
What do you make of it all? So I want
to get your take on this. So last night I'm
reading I'm going to read a couple of paragraphs for
those of you who did not read this. The Washington Post,
with a story with four different reporters writing on it,
said the clandestine mission, which has not been reported previously,
(20:07):
was carried out unbeknownst to journalists and some White House
staff members who believed they were on the same plane
as the president. According to material reviewed by the Post,
a US official familiar with the operation and another person
with knowledge of the president's travel people spoke on the
condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk
(20:27):
about the matter. Okay, so here's what happened. Basically, President
Trump boarded. There were three different planes at least that
were a part of this travel group to Turkey. Here
about a month ago, President Trump left the new air
Force one that's the Katari jet, and boarded the old
(20:48):
air Force one. Walked up the steps, boarded the plane.
They say that the for those of you who ever
paid attention to the front of an airplane, the door
that is not the one you get off on can
open up, and usually does. And that's where they bring
on the food. The sort of the hospitality cart as
(21:10):
it were, for the airplane pulls up on the other side.
They open that door. They bring on all sorts of
stuff through there. President Trump boarded the plane, they say,
walked basically straight through, got in to this otherwise beverage
sort of cart that they pull up. They took him down,
(21:33):
and then he got on the plane that Pete Hegseth
was on. Secretly, everybody thought he was on Air Force One.
He was actually flying on a smaller Air Force plane
with the Secretary of War Pete Hegseth. Now, I don't
know how often this happens, Right, I have flown on
Air Force One. When the president gets on the plane.
(21:56):
The presumption is the president still on the plane.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
They snuck him off due to they say, an Iranian
assassination attempt or threat. I My question for you, Buck is,
as I'm reading this last night getting ready for bed,
my wife said, oh, I think this was a leak,
and they're trying to catch the person who actually shared
(22:22):
this with the Washington Post because there was an investigation
into the report that he had changed jets, which they
said violated national security. To me, Buck, the president secretly
getting on different planes is even much more of a
story if it's not wanted to be out there. So
you worked in the CIA, how would you assess this?
(22:46):
What is the story here? The White House did not
deny it, which I thought was interesting, and the Washington
Post obviously has treated this as a huge coup or
a huge story and is kind of amazing. I didn't
know this ever happened, So what are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
So in counterintelligence trade craft, they would call this a
canary trap, where you put information out there to see
if you're trying to see about finding a leak or
find the mole.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
That's the other way people will talk about this.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
They will put it out a canary trap is they'll
say something, you know, like if I tell Clay, hey,
I'm going to be at this really expensive steakhouse on Thursday,
and then the New York Times prints that, and Clay
is the only person I told, and I'm actually going
to be somewhere else on Thursday, guess what canary trap?
(23:43):
Right now, I know who it is. So you think
that may have been to me?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Lura asked me that question. I was like, Oh, that's
super because it doesn't make sense to me that you
would want this to be out publicly that the president
does it, because it would I just it seems very
it seems important to keep that secure. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, Well, the one thing that I think is funny
is apparently the presspool journalists whom I've never well, I've joined,
I've never been one, but I've sort of been along
with them, with the Secretary of State and with the
Secretary of Defense in the past. Haven't done them with
the president. But you're kind of herded along, like you
ever see kids when they're being taken to like a
(24:31):
you know, a museum or something, and they all have
to hold it's like a rope that they hold when
you're at you and they put you in a van
and you just kind of follow along. Yeah, they treat
you like grammar school kids. Yeah, going to the museum together,
like you're just sort of this little gaggle. And and
was funny thing is too. I was with the ones
and they were like, Okay, we have to get the
(24:51):
opening shot. Run And I was just like walking like
I'm not running, Like I'm not here to take photos
of the Secretary of State walking into this buil thing,
like I'm here because he wants me to interview him.
It's a little different, but nonetheless, it's anyway, it's not
a job that it's one of those things that sounds
a lot more glamorous than it is. I will tell you,
Like presspool and Air Force one or presspool with the
(25:12):
Secretary of State. It's a good thing to cut your
teeth maybe as you're making your way up in the
media world that you know some stories anyway, But Clay,
they were really ticked off apparently that they were considered
cannon fodder so to speed in case there was a
real threat against the president. It's like, well, your plane
may go down, but at least Trump's fine. You know
that the journalists were not happy about this, but guess
(25:34):
what Secret Service isn't there to protect the journalist. Secret
Service is there to protect the president. So that's not
a surprise.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, it just does it. You're if you're upset that
the fact that there were multiple planes used by the
president goes public and they're conducting an investigation into how
that gets out, then to me, the fact that the
president is basically entering and they're playing the video right
now on CNN, the videos up there of Trump climbing
(26:01):
the stairs, going into Air Force One and then evidently
just walking basically straight through the airplane and getting off
on the other side of the airplane and going to
a new one, and then again, Yeah, if the plane
had gotten shot down, all the journalists would be dead
and the President would be on a different plane. Can
you imagine that reveal You're like, oh, my goodness, Air
Force one has been struck, it's gone down, everybody is
(26:24):
everybody's dead, and then Trump just gets off another plane.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
It would be a crazy situation, But I mean it
would be the craziest thing since a bullet grazed his
ear and he said fight, fight, fight, which was also
a real thing that happened, and pretty wild and crazy
in retrospect at that. But I don't know how often
this happens.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I do think that there is a significant and worthy
discussion surrounding how this story got out, who leaked it,
and the fact that the White House didn't deny it
is what kind of makes me think that it may
have been intentional and designed to smoke somebody out.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
So, I mean, it's a lot of effort. It's a
lot of effort to smoke out a leaguer. What I
took from this was actually the surprise that the threat
from Iran could be high enough as a against presidential
security that they would really be worried about this. That
was a little bit surprising to me. There have been
(27:25):
some pretty kind of out there but serious or taken
seriously plots in the past. Remember the Iranians were going
to assassinate an ambassador and in a restaurant in DC
that actually I know quite well have been do many times,
kind of a well known place in Georgetown. So the
Iranians have had this kind of stuff before in the past.
But for the President to change flight, let's just say
(27:47):
that what maybe you're just saying is true. I don't
actually have a clear view on that. To me, it
seems like a lot of trouble to go through to
smoke out a leaguer, but doesn't mean it's not what happened.
The alternative is that the Iranian threat against the Trump administration,
or against President Trump rather himself was so intense in
that moment that they would change his flight schedule in
(28:10):
response to it. I'm surprised the Iranians have that kind
of capability, even of theoretical capability to worry the president
with a service detail. Remember where this would have been
in Turkey, where he's a guest of the Turkish government.
The Turks have the Turks have very serious internal security
apparatus as well.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
So you know, a little surprised let me just say this,
you may have better knowledge of service to air missiles
than me when I'm only full on Air Force one,
you know, on one trip, but it was multiple different flights.
I thought that there would be a jet escort in
some way that was visible with Air Force one, meaning
(28:52):
I thought when I sat in the window and looked
out that there would be some deterrent effect, meaning there's
a jet out they are way off in the distance
or something.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
You thought, you're an executive decision Kurt Russell, steven Sagal.
I don't remember that movie.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Am I?
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
But am I crazy? Like I thought? I remember I
was sitting there and I'm like, do they not? Do
we not have like a jet, you know, escort in
some way that is visible out there? There isn't How
we don't know what deterrence mechanisms air Force one has.
How difficult would it be to hit Air Force one?
(29:27):
Or I'm worried about this for a long time. The
marine one, right, the helicopters that fly over DC all
the time, they have two of those, and the idea
is you never know which one the president is in.
That's the reason that I've been told, and maybe that
they have to have multiple other people traveling, but they
always have two. If you're in DC and you see
marine one, you don't know which one the president?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
You think, do you think like the movie Dave, there's
a doppel ganger of the president as well, who goes
around like the best president ever. I'm telling you right
now the most beautiful.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Because there's a of Trump impersonators. But my question is
how hard is it with a surface to air missile
to hit because if they're rainy, and when you're talking
about a man PAD, I think WOUL would be a
man portable air defense system like a shoulder fired missile
that they call the man pads.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
SAM usually people is referring to is like when Summ
says a surface air missile and SAM usually I think
it's a like a mechanized more like a Russian S
three hundred system or something like that. But with a
man PAD system, I would look, First of all, I
have never read anything. I've never seen anything about the
classified about the President's defense, so I'm just guessing.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
But the you know, you would assume that there are
countermeasures on board Air Force one that would things like
you know, chaff and some of the guys you know
air defense and aviation way better than me, would be
able to weigh in here. But I'm sure there are countermeasures.
It's not just like we hope that nobody can pop
up shot at the plane.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
That would be what I would think they might have
been nervous about in Turkey, because otherwise why would he
be changing planes? Like they must think, Like I don't
think that they're thinking, Oh, somebody's going to try to
shoot him.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
As he's boarding the plane, right, they must think that
there's some sort or they were trying to smuggle a
bomb onto the plane. There might have been a concern
with somebody you metically, you.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Wouldn't want to take that off then, right, like you
wouldn't want to get in the air with a bomb
on the plane. To me, the most like, and again
this is not my level of expertise, but the most
likely plot that they thought existed to me seems to
be that it would be somebody firing at the plane
when it's in the air. Because but then it goes
back to the journalists, they really are cannon fodder.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Well, well, this is the thing is the journalists stayed
on the plane and They're like, so we all get
blown up. If this actually gets blown up, the President's fine,
and that's just the way that it is. Meanwhile, we're
here to cover the president. I would say, yeah, Clay,
I mean the the manpad threat to aviation of something
that counter terrorism analysts have been you know, analyzing and
looking at everything for a long time. The truth is
(31:56):
that any whether it's a plane or a hel take
off and landing the most vulnerable periods yep in you know,
top to bottom always, so you always have some threat
there because you're close to the ground. The thing about
all some of the man pads can go really high
with their range. Some of them are much much you know,
slower or lower ceiling that that's very possible. I don't
(32:19):
I don't know. They might have gotten some chatter about
it and they just didn't want to take a chance.
And also, I said, Turkey is a serious security apparatus.
How much do we how much do we trust Turkey?
That's a whole other question.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
It's not the UK.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I'm just gonna put it that way. It's not the UK,
it's not Canada, you know. I would put trump safety
in the hands of the Brits or the Canadians entirely
without a say, I would say he wouldn't even eat
Secret Service in those countries based on their desire to
protect our president. Honestly, no, I'm not. I'm not saying
he would do that, but it just they're they're they're
on our team when it comes to safety of our president. Turkey,
(32:55):
I think so. I think they are. I don't know
if they're as on it though as some of the
I'll just say that, so, I think that that flying
out of Turkey. I know they're a NATO partner, blah
blah blah. I know all that, but it's Turkey.
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Speaker 5 (35:13):
Halfnoon, guys, I think you're both correct. One it may
have been a canary trap and two the manpad threat
in that region. And as I told your screener when
this met made the news, watching CBS Evening News with
Tony Ducopple and looking at the video and then double
(35:36):
checking some photos, there's an IR countermeasures that's installed on
the older VC twenty five A. I saw it on
the flight line when President Clinton visited Luke Air Force
Base and recognized what it was then, and the video
and photos of the new VC twenty five B bridge
(36:01):
it does not have that similar system installed above each
of the engines on the back of the pylons and
just looking at the photos. Both of you and listeners
could look at the external photos have an idea of
what's installed. But if that leaker passed on other and
(36:23):
in more detail information, drop the hammer on them. That's it, guys.
Oh and it's a n ALQ TWOL four Mattador. If
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Speaker 3 (36:34):
Around online to find it, there you go. That seems
super super specific. Buck on what exactly the protective mechanisms are.
I am out tomorrow, got a family member having a
medical procedure. Everything should be fine, but I will be
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