October 1, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show opens with a major update on the attempted hijacking of a Flydubai flight traveling from Dubai to Tel Aviv, which was diverted to Saudi Arabia after the co-pilot allegedly attacked the captain and attempted to bring down the aircraft. Clay and Buck recount how the plane carrying 174 people went into a dramatic descent, passengers and crew fought their way into the cockpit, and a reserve flight crew ultimately landed the aircraft safely. They discuss reports that the co-pilot, an Omani national, had undergone Islamist radicalization and was suicidal, along with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's comments about the investigation. The hosts also play comments from President Donald Trump, who says investigators are examining whether the alleged attacker had connections to Iran and that information he was receiving suggested a possible link, while stopping short of a final conclusion. Clay and Buck examine the possibility that the timing of the attempted hijacking, shortly before the aircraft entered Israeli airspace, could indicate an intention to use the plane in a larger terrorist attack against Israel. They also discuss the suspension of Flydubai flights to Israel, whether accomplices or a broader terrorist network could have been involved, and a separate arrest of a dual Iranian-British citizen connected to an alleged terror plot near a U.S. military facility in England.
The aviation discussion also focuses on the extraordinary actions of the passengers, crew and wounded captain who prevented disaster. Clay and Buck play Trump's description of a passenger described as a plumber who reportedly grabbed the aircraft controls during the crisis despite having no formal flying experience, drawing on knowledge from watching television programs about aviation disasters. That leads into a broader discussion about aircraft emergencies, rapid altitude loss, aerodynamic stalls and how difficult it can be to recover an aircraft once a catastrophic situation develops. The hosts reflect on the terrifying experience for passengers aboard the Flydubai flight and the possibility that the intervention inside the cockpit prevented both the deaths of everyone aboard and a potential attack on the ground.
Hour 3 then returns to the death penalty and execution methods, with callers responding to the show's earlier discussion of capital punishment. One caller provocatively suggests putting executions on pay-per-view, an idea Clay and Buck reject as turning criminal punishment into public spectacle. Another caller, who says he witnessed two executions in Virginia as a member of a press pool, argues that the electric chair was fast and effective compared with complications surrounding lethal injection, including difficulties obtaining execution drugs and establishing intravenous access. Clay explains that his principal concern about capital punishment is the possibility of wrongful convictions, distinguishing cases in which guilt is absolutely established from situations where uncertainty remains. The conversation examines the tension between support for the death penalty, concerns about wrongful execution and debates over lethal injection and other execution methods.
A substantial portion of Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show examines comments from Pete Hegseth about military culture, physical standards, DEI policies, grooming and his vision of a more traditional warrior ethos in the U.S. military. Clay and Buck particularly seize on Hegseth's reference to "beardos," wondering exactly what he means given the prevalence of beards among elite special operations personnel. The discussion evolves into a humorous but detailed history of military facial hair, stretching from the Crimean War and Civil War to World War I, Afghanistan and Iraq. Clay discusses how gas masks helped encourage clean-shaven military standards during World War I, while Buck points to the rugged appearance of modern special operators and earlier soldiers as examples of how beards have historically become associated with masculinity and military culture. They also mention Vice President JD Vance, the history of facial hair among American political leaders and the relationship between grooming standards, professionalism and public perceptions of trustworthiness.
The beard debate develops into a wider conversation about workplace etiquette, job interviews, professional appearance and generational differences in hiring. Clay discusses reports of job applicants arriving for interviews carrying iced coffee and debates whether seemingly minor behavior can create a negative first impression. Drawing on their own experience hiring employees, Clay and Buck consider the small personal choices that can unexpectedly derail a job application. Clay recalls immediately questioning a candidate who asked about vacation policy during a first interview, while Buck recounts a governme
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour, Clay and Block kicks off now. Thanks for
being here, everybody all around the place, all around the country,
all around the world. Speaking of around the world, there
was the attempted hijacking of that Dubai air flight. This
was the breaking news story that we were spending a
lot of time on yesterday. Just some updates on this
(00:22):
situation right now. Just a quick review, actually. First, you
had fly Dubai from Dubai to Tel Aviv, that was
the flight path, diverted to Tabuk, Saudi Arabia, and the
co-pilot stabbed the captain, tried to crash the jet. There
(00:44):
were 174 people on board. The transponder sent a 7,700
general emergency and then a 7,500 unlawful interference hijacking signal
out there. Israeli fighters, Clay, were scrambled as the plane
was heading toward Israel. So that answers the question as
to would Israel be able to get the fighter planes out? Yeah,
(01:04):
they would. And passengers described the drop, which was, well,
there are different reports on how much, but I think
it was something like 15,000 feet in a minute or two,
as extremely violent turbulence. There was screaming and a struggle
at the cockpit door. And somehow there was either, Clay,
(01:27):
there were reports a knife or an axe, has been said,
was used in the cockpit by this terrorist to attack
the other guy. The wounded captain was bleeding on the floor,
but managed to critically unlock the cockpit door. That has
been confirmed. Then passengers and crew forced their way in.
(01:47):
The attacker was trying to smash the panel for the
plane so that it would be unflyable and it would crash.
They were able to restrain him. Reportedly, he was shouting,
kill me. And then that reserve crew that happened to
be on that flight was able to land the plane safely.
You've got five Israelis. There's almost all Israelis in the flight,
(02:08):
a handful of Americans on the flight, but almost all
Israelis in the flight, Clay. Five have been recommended by
the Israeli president for the highest civilian heroism award. The
pilot who was attacked... remains hospitalized, but is still fighting,
is still alive at least. There's some differences in the
(02:28):
reporting on whether he's stable or just gravely injured is
how it has been described from what I can see.
The guy who attacked him, now we can get into
some of this, was an Omani national from the country
of Oman. He had worked for FlyDubai for eight months,
currently being questioned in Saudi Arabia, the U.S., Oman, Israel,
(02:50):
all also involved in that case, the questioning and everything else.
And Clay, this is what Netanyahu has said. I just
want you to hear this. We can get some more
of this. This is cut to, listen to this.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
The attacker, the co-pilot who attacked the captain is now
being interrogated. But here's what we do know. First, we
know that he underwent Islamist radical indoctrination. That appears to
be something we're gathering from the information, his personal information.
We also know that after he was subdued, he calls
out to the air crew, kill me, kill me. All right.
(03:25):
So it's clear he was suicidal. That's not a question.
It was clear he was going to down that plane.
It's not clear, but it looks very likely that he
was going to down the plane and with all the
passengers in there. And if you couple that with the
what I just told you about the Islamist tendencies, that
radicalization that were found in his background, I think that'll
(03:45):
give us a pretty good clue. But again, I don't
make final conclusions yet, but that's the indications we have now, Brian.
It looks like he was head-bent on bringing that plane down.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Clay, we'll get to what Trump said about it, but
just your first reaction. And now, those are all confirmed
facts so far, what I read off. Evan agrees on that.
So we know this was a This was a close call.
You had almost 180 people that would have died. And perhaps,
to your point, if that door hadn't gotten kicked open
(04:17):
by that pilot as he was bleeding on that floor,
maybe the whole plane is used as a missile and
ends up, you know, a fiery fuselage somewhere in central
Tel Aviv or who knows.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Well, Trump just said en route to Texas that, And
I just sent it to our team that he believes
that Iran was also connected to this based on what
he has been told. So I'm going to get that
audio up shortly. And it's Trump as he was about
(04:53):
to get on a to get on the helicopter a
little bit earlier. So just FYI, a reporter asked him,
has anybody briefed you about whether or not the pilot
of the fly Dubai plane is linked to Iran? Trump said,
and again, we'll get this audio in a moment. This
(05:15):
was just yesterday. in the last little bit i would
say the answer based on what i'm hearing is.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yes interesting we knew that it was either it was
gaza slash iran one or the other maybe both now
it sounds like the igniting motive in this in this
jihadist terrorist mind might have been more the iran stuff
which Obviously, Israel plays a has played a very big
role in so that would all track Trump yesterday. Clay
(05:45):
at the White House gave a his account of the
really the blow by blow of this. And as only
Trump can, he tells the story like you're in the cockpit.
Play cut one.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
So a plumber never flew a plane, strong guy, lift
him up, throw him back. The crowd was, they knew
they were going to die shortly because of the G-forces,
but they were able to hold him because he was
going crazy. And he was crazy. And this plumber, never
having flown a plane, had the sense to.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Lift a stick. Who was it?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
And you know, it's not like planes are different today.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
You used to have a little steering wheel. Today, they
fly differently.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
And when asked why he did that, he said he
watches that show, Air Disasters. You know the show? It's
that craziest show. I never want to watch it because
I watch it. I don't like watching it because bad
things happen. But he said he watches it a lot.
And he learned from watching that show sort of how
to fly. I mean, you tell me. This is the
(06:44):
craziest thing.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And then shortly thereafter, the pilots, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Were there in case they have emergency pilots on these planes.
and the security guys, if they were in the back
of the plane, they came up, they took over the plane.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I think it's the most amazing story. Clay, it sounds
like the hero on the scene here might have temporarily
just grabbed it. This is what the president sees me saying,
that this guy might have said, we're in basically a
death dive here. I got to just turn the plane.
I got to get this plane altitude and actually touch
the controls.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah. No, it sounds like he yanked the control and
started us back up in the air. I mean, he
may have kept the plane from from what I read.
And I know there's many of you that are pilots
out there in this audience. Is that once the plane
goes below 10,000 feet, it's very hard to get it
to come back up.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
That actually came up in the there was a airplane
disaster that had to do with frozen over pitot tubes.
I think they were called pitot. and they couldn't get
the proper elevation reading clay, and the main pilot went
on break, and a junior pilot, and he kept hearing
the alarm and kept dipping the nose down, I'm sorry,
(07:58):
pulling back, pulling back, pulling back, and caused a full-on stall.
And even though the senior pilot obviously realized they were
in a stall, by the time he got there, they
couldn't bring him out, and the plane got obliterated over
the Atlantic. So that can't happen.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
We now have, because I think they were at 34,000
feet when the 17,000 descent occurred, and that kept it
at around 17.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Can we just, for one quick second, Clay, just, I'm
not like a super nervous flyer. I mean, you know,
I've been in some Blackhawks and Chinooks and things in
scary places, and, you know, that was interesting. But, you know,
when the turbulence hits and you grab your seat a
little bit, then that's a little bit of turbulence, right?
And you look at the flight attendant, the pilot, you're like,
(08:40):
is everyone OK? OK, they're OK. I guess I'll be
15000 feet. Clay, can you imagine?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
No, it's terrifying.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Absolutely terrifying. We have Trump answering that question. I believe
it was asked by Peter Doocy as he was heading
to Marine One a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Here it is. Has anybody briefed you about whether or
not the guy, the pilot of the flying biplane, is.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Linked to Iran. We're working on it right now.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
They're being very open with us.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I would say the answer, based on what I'm.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Hearing, is yes.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
But we're working on it right now. So this guy
might have been either put in there by the IRGC
or ratified some other way, and then he tried to
take down the plane.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
Could have been, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
A little bit hard.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I mean, he's not he's saying there from what I'm seeing,
it looks like that may be the case, but we're
going to keep looking at it. So I think, Clay,
to me. you know you and i speak trump pretty
well we're pretty good trump translators there's some indicators but
it's not the iran piece is not 100 yet i
think that's fair to say so that may mean that
(09:49):
that iran is part of a broader interest that he
has you know what i mean from a rather broader
grievance set that he has. Or they could have something
a lot meatier than that, but they need to confirm it.
So we'll see.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yes. So that is out there. And I should also
mention that they have arrested someone else. This, according to
The Guardian, I just saw this come across, that is
a dual Iranian and British citizen associated with the proposed
terror attack or plan of a terror attack that was
(10:25):
taking place near an American base in England. So there
are some of these different threads that may or may
not end up being connected. We should also mention, Buck,
they have suspended all fly Dubai traffic. To Israel, making
you wonder, are there other pilots that either were radicalized
(10:48):
or was this a long range sleeper cell operation potentially
where they were trying to do a 9-11 style attack?
I still haven't heard a lot of people talk about
the fact, Buck, this guy waited till soon before they
were going in. into Israeli airspace to make this move.
They were several hours, in other words, into the flight.
(11:10):
If his goal was just to crash the plane, which
is a bad goal by itself, he could have theoretically
made this move earlier in the flight and taken that
plane down anywhere. The fact that he made the move
right before they were going into Israeli airspace, to me,
indicates that he may have been intending to use this
plane as a method to kill even more people 9-11
(11:34):
style and.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
This is where you get into the of course it
was not a coincidence that an attempted hijacking occurred of
a plane full of israelis about to land in israel
right there are thousands tens of thousands probably i don't
know certainly thousands of flights all over the world every
day there was clearly a terrorist anti-israel anti-West component of this,
(11:59):
unless you're going to believe the one in a million
that this just happened to be a guy who was
having a bad day, which none of us believed and
clearly was not the case. But we'll continue to look
for this. I am very curious about what the investigation
turns up, if there were any co-conspirators, any remote control,
external assistance in targeting, or even just what they call
(12:20):
spiritual sanctioning. Essentially, yes, we bless this as a terrorist
operation in the name of ISIS, whatever it may be.
We could find all of that, but we'll have to
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(12:42):
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(13:03):
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Speaker 3 (14:30):
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Sometimes the ideas here are unexpected, such as Peter in Petaluma, California.
What you got for us, Peter?
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Hey, there.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
So you guys were talking earlier about the death penalty
cases and all that. And my idea was that these
death penalty, these executions, I should say, they should put
them on pay-per-view. Instead of just having them where they're
behind a curtain, put them on pay-per-view. Charge $ 20 a
viewer and then give the money to the school.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I bet you have seen this.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Do you remember back in the day the DVDs and
the VCRs, Faces of Death?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
I do.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Dark, dark era. Peter, I appreciate the call. I don't
know if that's a great idea. Daryl in Omaha.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
We don't just real quick. We don't want to do
the thing like this isn't the French Revolution where they're
like the angry mob is like throwing, you know, refuse
that person on their way to the guillotine. Like we're
not we're not barbarians. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Daryl in Omaha, Nebraska. You say you've witnessed two executions.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Actually, I think the pro-lethal injection factions are really anti-death penalty.
There's the lack of drugs, the shelf life, the shipping
across state lines, as you've discussed, finding the vein. And
then we have problems like we did yesterday. The good
wife have actually had an episode on it. Years ago,
I was in the press conference. pool for two executions
(17:03):
in the state of Virginia, and I can tell you
that it is very clean and very quick. They hit
them with two shots. The first one put the person
unconscious immediately. There was no dramatic thing of having them
strapped to a gurney, none of that kind of stuff.
The second one, a charge, they were already, as I say, unconscious.
(17:24):
The second charge actually then completed the deaths. And it
was very swift.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
It was very clean.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
And there was no drama with.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
It at all.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
What I'm squeamish about with the death penalty, Buck, is
wrongful conviction. Oh, that's always what this is. This is
the lawyer in me. We do have wrongful convictions. That
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(17:59):
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(18:20):
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We've got
a lot of calls coming in, a lot of talkbacks.
We're discussing all of the news of the day with you.
I want to remind you to check out our YouTube channel, please.
It is fantastic. The YouTube channel, it's a beautiful thing,
(19:08):
the YouTube channel, YouTube Clay and Buck, and something else
that we should spend a little bit of time on,
I think, Clay, that has come up on our news
read-in today. It is the speech yesterday given by our
Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, and he said some very
(19:31):
interesting things, and he covered some issues of real policy
that I think people should know about, which we will
get into. But, you know, some of the most quoted
part of it, of course, is Pete saying, this is
kind of Levin, Pete saying the following, listen to this.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
We are no longer the woke department or the weak department.
Simple translation of that. No fatties, no trannies, no beardos,
no weirdos, no wimps, no radicals, just warriors, just tough, ready,
committed troops.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Um, I, you and I can see this together and,
and get exactly what he's saying here. I understand the
DEI stuff when he said, what is he? Cause the most, um,
let's just say, uh, how do I put this? Well,
the tier one operators that I would see down range
(20:31):
and I would, you know, see them coming in and
out of the base, or I would see them, uh,
on the ISR going into the objective clay. They were
very heavily bearded, obviously. particularly in Afghanistan, but in Iraq, too.
And so what is a beard? Oh, is that a
specific because I know Pete, Pete loves spec ops. He
loves all those guys. They're the pinnacle of military infantry,
(20:55):
elite infantry. So but what is a beard? I'm really like,
what is a beard? Oh, is that a specific kind
of person with a beard or just a person who
is bearded?
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Great question. And we've talked about this before. For those
of you who are military history guys, My son, Buck,
tomorrow is going to tour with his college class, the
Battle of Chickamauga, down in the Chattanooga, Tennessee area. And
I was talking with him some about the Battle of Chickamauga,
as military history nerds do in our free time. And
(21:28):
every major Civil War general had a beard, right? It
was the fashion statement, and most of the troops did
as well. And the only reason why the beard vanished,
we've talked about this on the program before, was when
everybody started having to put on gas masks during World
War I, there was a concern that it doesn't. affixed
(21:48):
tightly enough to your face if you have a beard.
In other words, Stonewall Jackson and William Tecumseh Sherman, if
they had needed to get their gas masks on in
World War I, those beards would have gotten in the way.
And so to your point, the beard now has come
back to such ascendance that I believe J.D. Vance is
(22:11):
the first bearded president or vice president In over 100 years.
And my argument, humbly, as a bearded man, would be, Buck,
that bearded men would actually have higher levels of testosterone
on average than non-bearded men. Crazy take, or would you
sign off on that as a rough approximation?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I got to be careful, because I got a patchy beard.
So I don't want to start casting beard aspersions one
way or the other. But I am.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Pro beard as in not gay men with fake with
fake wives, but pro beard.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Important distinction. Pro beard.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
There might be some Democrats listening.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
But my theory about this, the facial is is that
is correct, by the way, which is that as a
as fashion, male fashion and perceptions of masculinity is. Go
go hand in hand and therefore military trends. You rightly
pointed out First World War, also the rise of Gillette
as an American corporation and using the shaved the G.I.
(23:14):
were clean shaven. I think it's also the grooming standard
is also about cleanliness. And and, you know, you're in
the trench, you're in Guadalcanal, wherever you are. They wanted
people to be clean shaven. for, I guess, lice and
things like that. But interestingly enough, Clay, because you're right,
Civil War era America, peak beard, peak beard. And I
(23:37):
did a quick AI history of this. The trend, though,
toward this, started really in the Crimean War, where British
and Allied soldiers grew beards because of the harsh field conditions.
And when they returned home, the rugged look was celebrated
as the pinnacle of masculinity. Then it made its way
(24:01):
to America, of course, from the Brits and our allies. But, Clay,
I want to point out, this is very much like
what happened with Afghanistan and Iraq, where operators, Tier 1
operators come back looking all badass. They got the beard.
They got the Oakleys on or whatever, and they're coming back.
Same idea. And also, as a reaction in the 19th
(24:24):
century to women's rights movements and industrialization, men had beards
as a sort of show of masculinity. So that is
why the 19th century was the set in America. And
in Europe was the century of the male beard, the beard. Oh,
I have to look up. What is a beard?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Oh, versus a, Ali says that a beard. Oh, uh,
producer Ali, according to chat GPT, by the way, got
to use grok chat. GPT is for, uh, Not very
masculine men. Beardo implies someone is overly invested in their
beard or has a stereotypical hipster look. I just think
(25:05):
Pete is very clean shaven. I think we agree with
Pete on a lot. I think he may be anti beard,
just anti beard on men. And this is now a
part of his statement. I've never seen him with a beard.
I don't think he's ever had a beard. That's what
I'm saying. Sean Parnell's got a beard. You know, his
right-hand man, Sean Parnell, and our buddy, he's got a beard.
(25:27):
So I don't know what this anti-beard stuff from Pete.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
We've got to talk about this. Can Pete grow a beard? Oh.
He can bench 300 pounds. He's very strong.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
But you probably have some friends. I have some friends.
My own dad can't grow a beard. He doesn't have
enough facial hair. If he does, and there are a
lot of guys out there, they start trying to grow
the beard. And the guy who can't grow the beard
tends to be very anti-beard on men because he can't
grow the beard. So he's like, well, you look slovenly.
(25:59):
What are you doing with your life? Maybe pee.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
You know what has been very anti-beard for a long time?
TV news. With the exception of Wolf Blitzer, I can't
think of any big-time cable news anchor man who has
had a beard. Do you know why?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Historically, it may have changed recently, historically bearded men were
seen as less trustworthy. So, yeah, 100 percent. Now, it
may have changed in the last 20 years, but that's
the reason why all politicians were clean shaven, because the
general public sees a clean shaven man as a more
(26:39):
trustworthy man than than not, which is why I think
the number of guys that have beards on television is
still relatively low. And I'll tell you, when I interviewed
for law jobs. When I was 2002, I've had a
beard now for 24 years, if my math is right.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
When I was in law school.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
They told us, be clean-shaven for your interviews because you
will be judged against if you have a beard as
not being as trustworthy as guys who do not have beards.
It will, in other words, make it harder for you
to be hired. And now they're debating, Buck, have you
seen the latest controversy?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
About.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I don't know if Producer Ali has seen this too,
that too many job interviewees... I've read this in the
Wall Street Journal and the New York Times now. It's
a huge debate. are showing up with iced coffees for
job interviews. And people are like, what are you doing?
This is a job interview. How dare you walk in
here with an iced coffee? And they are saying that
(27:41):
it is a bad look. And there's a huge debate
over should it be an influence or not. So... Look,
my general position, I kept the beard, but I thought
about it a lot because if doing something that isn't
that important could cost you a job, shouldn't you just
do the thing, generally speaking, that would make it more
likely you would be hired?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Without, obviously, names or situation to give away details, you've
hired and fired people for a long time now. I
have hired and fired some people, not as many or
as long as you have. Has anyone ever in the
hiring process... of applying for a job with you, done
something that was an idiosyncrasy, an eccentricity on the spot
(28:25):
that you were like, I don't think I could get
over that. Because I have one that wasn't me, but
it was somebody that I was working for, and I
was shocked to find out that.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
First interview, I got asked what the vacation policy was.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
I don't think that's that bad. Am I alone on this?
You can't ask about the vacation policy. Clay's a tough cookie.
In the first interview, when can I not work for you?
When will you pay me to do nothing?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
That's pretty funny.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I was like, this guy's gone. Just in my head,
I was like, why would you ask? And again, I
understand caring about the vacation policy. At the very first interview,
you're asking the guy who's running the company, hey, tell
me about your vacation policy? I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I'm like, you're gone, bud. I worked for some people
in the government who were very old school. And like
I said, my CIA, not all CIA offices, you know,
at Langley, certainly a lot of people dress, you know,
kind of honestly dressed like slobs, most of them, just
being honest. But we had a you had to have
basically jacket and tie. You could take the tie off.
But like we sat there, you know, ready to go
(29:36):
brief Congress or whatever most of the days. But I
worked in government and somebody came by. It was actually
one police plaza. It was not Langley to pick up
a like some kind of a packet for their interview
or something. I forget exactly what it was. So he
wasn't meeting anybody, but he showed up to one police plaza.
(29:56):
And some of the cops here, this might know what
to say. in shorts and sandals. And the guy in charge,
won't say who it is, saw that and was like,
you do not show up to police headquarters in shorts
and sandals. Done. Didn't tell him this, but just killed
the guy's application, like made sure that he wasn't going
to join the team. I thought that was harsh. I
(30:19):
thought that was tough, but he was very, he was
just like, you do not show up to a serious
place of work Now, I'm wondering, by the way, I
bet a lot of our people agree with that. I
think it's very generational. The shorts thing, you know, the
shorts versus no, like, And remember, he wasn't on duty.
He wasn't working. He just came to pick something up
(30:39):
as a civilian, but he showed up in shorts and
I think sandals too. And they, and they bagged him
for that. At my, this, we could probably do calls.
Let's do this tomorrow. Like what you have seen someone do.
And you've been like, you're out. That'd be really, that
is certainly talk backs. I really want to know what people,
when I was a young lawyer.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And I was practicing in the Caribbean in my defense,
I would drive into work. in, uh, this is funny
that you mentioned the flip-flops. I would drive into work
in flip-flops and walk in. You could park underneath the
law firm and then you could come up a back,
you know, staircase. And then I would go into the
office and I had shoes that I would keep.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
In the office.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
A lot of women like, you know, change shoes, but
I was like, I'll wear flip-flops, you know, to drive in.
I don't want, you know, whatever. I've been a Jeep Wrangler.
I think it was where I was driving. And one
of the partners came and said, Hey, uh, You're in
a law firm. You can't wear flip flops, even if
you're coming up the back side.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
This is the Caribbean.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Even if you're coming up the backside entrance where the
lawyers come in because a client might see you in
the waiting room and be like, why am I paying,
you know, at that time, 200, 300 dollars an hour
for a lawyer who's wearing flip flops? So I they
were like, you need to stop doing this. Ooh, what
you wear to the office versus what you wear in
(32:05):
the office. I think that's also fertile ground. I mean,
like I had a suit. A lot of lawyers keep suits,
and we didn't have to wear suits, but you keep
a suit in the event that you might get called
in for a court proceeding or whatever else.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
If you're the Caribbean, you need a lawyer, don't you
want him to kind of look like he's Jimmy Buffett, Margaritaville?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I didn't think it was a big deal, but I'm
just saying sometimes you can be a knucklehead when you're
25 years old. Producer Allie just texted that she was
doing an interview recently And you said somebody walked in
with an iced coffee and everybody was like, what's going on?
This is really, I do think this is interesting buck
(32:42):
because the argument is you're just too casual. If you're
bringing in like your own drink to, you can't make
it through an interview without needing fluids. I, it's an
interesting point. I wouldn't have thought about, honestly, did he
get the job alley?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
He did not. Wow. Getting the guillotine here. Is it
you or is it me? It's you.
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Speaker 3 (34:03):
You check all three when you listen to Clay and Buck.
And I'm going to run through. We've got loaded lines
asking you each to give me your best 30 seconds.
Pretend it's your wedding night. Will in North Carolina.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Yeah, the answer to your spec ops and beards is
that they are forward deployed and it's part of their
job description. What Heptek is talking about are people who
have no shade ships that are not deployed. In other words,
they're home in the United States.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
But still, I mean, there are a lot of good-looking beards.
Joe in Mayo, Florida.
Speaker 9 (34:40):
Hi. When I was in the Air Force, I grew
a mustache when I soloed in a jet. And about
seven years later, I went in for an interview at
Air Florida, and I wanted to look good, so I
shaved off my mustache and had a white lip, went
out in my boat, fell asleep, And had a horribly
red lip. I went in the next day to meet
with the chief pilot. And he had a huge handlebar mustache.
(35:02):
And he looked at me and said, what happened to you?
And I said, well, it's obvious. I wanted to look
good for the interview. And he says, you must really
want this job to shave your mustache off.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
I said, I do.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
And he said, you're hired. Be here Monday. The class
starts at 9 o'clock.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
So that is awesome.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
That's a great story. Doesn't the military, I think under
the grooming standard, you could have a certain kind of mustache.
I don't think you can.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah. I mean, during Top Gun, uh, a lot of
the guys, Goose, Goose had a mustache. Uh, Jeff in Texas.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Hey, I was called for an interview to be the man,
engineering manager for the shuttle space toilet. And, uh, I
was taking care of my infant daughter, and so I said,
can I bring her? They said, okay, and I brought
her in this little rock-a-roo thing, and I was feeding
her a bottle while we talked about it, and good job.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Okay, so hold on.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
You were the expert for how astronauts should poop? Like,
this is what you did? Like, this was your engineering expertise?
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
It was great.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Thanks for paying your taxes.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I feel like there are so many people out there
with so many questions. What surprised you the most about
the engineering difficulties of toilets in space?
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Well, it has to do with surface tension. Things stick
to things, and that can be a real problem.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Wow, I learned about space poop today on the show.
That is amazing.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
You never know what the callers are going to have
for us, Buck. Thank you so much, Jeff.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Congrats.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
That's a great story, too, about the daughter, but he
doesn't drop in there. I'm in charge of you know,
toilets on spacecraft. That's kind of an amazing job. We'll
have some more fun tomorrow. Give us your talk backs
about reasons why you did or did not hire somebody
that had nothing to do with their qualifications. We'll have
fun with that tomorrow.
Third hour, Clay and Block kicks off now. Thanks for
being here, everybody all around the place, all around the country,
all around the world. Speaking of around the world, there
was the attempted hijacking of that Dubai air flight. This
was the breaking news story that we were spending a
lot of time on yesterday. Just some updates on this
(00:22):
situation right now. Just a quick review, actually. First, you
had fly Dubai from Dubai to Tel Aviv, that was
the flight path, diverted to Tabuk, Saudi Arabia, and the
co-pilot stabbed the captain, tried to crash the jet. There
(00:44):
were 174 people on board. The transponder sent a 7,700
general emergency and then a 7,500 unlawful interference hijacking signal
out there. Israeli fighters, Clay, were scrambled as the plane
was heading toward Israel. So that answers the question as
to would Israel be able to get the fighter planes out? Yeah,
(01:04):
they would. And passengers described the drop, which was, well,
there are different reports on how much, but I think
it was something like 15,000 feet in a minute or two,
as extremely violent turbulence. There was screaming and a struggle
at the cockpit door. And somehow there was either, Clay,
(01:27):
there were reports a knife or an axe, has been said,
was used in the cockpit by this terrorist to attack
the other guy. The wounded captain was bleeding on the floor,
but managed to critically unlock the cockpit door. That has
been confirmed. Then passengers and crew forced their way in.
(01:47):
The attacker was trying to smash the panel for the
plane so that it would be unflyable and it would crash.
They were able to restrain him. Reportedly, he was shouting,
kill me. And then that reserve crew that happened to
be on that flight was able to land the plane safely.
You've got five Israelis. There's almost all Israelis in the flight,
(02:08):
a handful of Americans on the flight, but almost all
Israelis in the flight, Clay. Five have been recommended by
the Israeli president for the highest civilian heroism award. The
pilot who was attacked... remains hospitalized, but is still fighting,
is still alive at least. There's some differences in the
(02:28):
reporting on whether he's stable or just gravely injured is
how it has been described from what I can see.
The guy who attacked him, now we can get into
some of this, was an Omani national from the country
of Oman. He had worked for FlyDubai for eight months,
currently being questioned in Saudi Arabia, the U.S., Oman, Israel,
(02:50):
all also involved in that case, the questioning and everything else.
And Clay, this is what Netanyahu has said. I just
want you to hear this. We can get some more
of this. This is cut to, listen to this.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
The attacker, the co-pilot who attacked the captain is now
being interrogated. But here's what we do know. First, we
know that he underwent Islamist radical indoctrination. That appears to
be something we're gathering from the information, his personal information.
We also know that after he was subdued, he calls
out to the air crew, kill me, kill me. All right.
(03:25):
So it's clear he was suicidal. That's not a question.
It was clear he was going to down that plane.
It's not clear, but it looks very likely that he
was going to down the plane and with all the
passengers in there. And if you couple that with the
what I just told you about the Islamist tendencies, that
radicalization that were found in his background, I think that'll
(03:45):
give us a pretty good clue. But again, I don't
make final conclusions yet, but that's the indications we have now, Brian.
It looks like he was head-bent on bringing that plane down.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Clay, we'll get to what Trump said about it, but
just your first reaction. And now, those are all confirmed
facts so far, what I read off. Evan agrees on that.
So we know this was a This was a close call.
You had almost 180 people that would have died. And perhaps,
to your point, if that door hadn't gotten kicked open
(04:17):
by that pilot as he was bleeding on that floor,
maybe the whole plane is used as a missile and
ends up, you know, a fiery fuselage somewhere in central
Tel Aviv or who knows.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Well, Trump just said en route to Texas that, And
I just sent it to our team that he believes
that Iran was also connected to this based on what
he has been told. So I'm going to get that
audio up shortly. And it's Trump as he was about
(04:53):
to get on a to get on the helicopter a
little bit earlier. So just FYI, a reporter asked him,
has anybody briefed you about whether or not the pilot
of the fly Dubai plane is linked to Iran? Trump said,
and again, we'll get this audio in a moment. This
(05:15):
was just yesterday. in the last little bit i would
say the answer based on what i'm hearing is.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yes interesting we knew that it was either it was
gaza slash iran one or the other maybe both now
it sounds like the igniting motive in this in this
jihadist terrorist mind might have been more the iran stuff
which Obviously, Israel plays a has played a very big
role in so that would all track Trump yesterday. Clay
(05:45):
at the White House gave a his account of the
really the blow by blow of this. And as only
Trump can, he tells the story like you're in the cockpit.
Play cut one.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
So a plumber never flew a plane, strong guy, lift
him up, throw him back. The crowd was, they knew
they were going to die shortly because of the G-forces,
but they were able to hold him because he was
going crazy. And he was crazy. And this plumber, never
having flown a plane, had the sense to.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Lift a stick. Who was it?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
And you know, it's not like planes are different today.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
You used to have a little steering wheel. Today, they
fly differently.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
And when asked why he did that, he said he
watches that show, Air Disasters. You know the show? It's
that craziest show. I never want to watch it because
I watch it. I don't like watching it because bad
things happen. But he said he watches it a lot.
And he learned from watching that show sort of how
to fly. I mean, you tell me. This is the
(06:44):
craziest thing.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And then shortly thereafter, the pilots, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Were there in case they have emergency pilots on these planes.
and the security guys, if they were in the back
of the plane, they came up, they took over the plane.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I think it's the most amazing story. Clay, it sounds
like the hero on the scene here might have temporarily
just grabbed it. This is what the president sees me saying,
that this guy might have said, we're in basically a
death dive here. I got to just turn the plane.
I got to get this plane altitude and actually touch
the controls.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah. No, it sounds like he yanked the control and
started us back up in the air. I mean, he
may have kept the plane from from what I read.
And I know there's many of you that are pilots
out there in this audience. Is that once the plane
goes below 10,000 feet, it's very hard to get it
to come back up.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
That actually came up in the there was a airplane
disaster that had to do with frozen over pitot tubes.
I think they were called pitot. and they couldn't get
the proper elevation reading clay, and the main pilot went
on break, and a junior pilot, and he kept hearing
the alarm and kept dipping the nose down, I'm sorry,
(07:58):
pulling back, pulling back, pulling back, and caused a full-on stall.
And even though the senior pilot obviously realized they were
in a stall, by the time he got there, they
couldn't bring him out, and the plane got obliterated over
the Atlantic. So that can't happen.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
We now have, because I think they were at 34,000
feet when the 17,000 descent occurred, and that kept it
at around 17.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Can we just, for one quick second, Clay, just, I'm
not like a super nervous flyer. I mean, you know,
I've been in some Blackhawks and Chinooks and things in
scary places, and, you know, that was interesting. But, you know,
when the turbulence hits and you grab your seat a
little bit, then that's a little bit of turbulence, right?
And you look at the flight attendant, the pilot, you're like,
(08:40):
is everyone OK? OK, they're OK. I guess I'll be
15000 feet. Clay, can you imagine?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
No, it's terrifying.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Absolutely terrifying. We have Trump answering that question. I believe
it was asked by Peter Doocy as he was heading
to Marine One a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Here it is. Has anybody briefed you about whether or
not the guy, the pilot of the flying biplane, is.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Linked to Iran. We're working on it right now.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
They're being very open with us.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I would say the answer, based on what I'm.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Hearing, is yes.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
But we're working on it right now. So this guy
might have been either put in there by the IRGC
or ratified some other way, and then he tried to
take down the plane.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
Could have been, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
A little bit hard.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I mean, he's not he's saying there from what I'm seeing,
it looks like that may be the case, but we're
going to keep looking at it. So I think, Clay,
to me. you know you and i speak trump pretty
well we're pretty good trump translators there's some indicators but
it's not the iran piece is not 100 yet i
think that's fair to say so that may mean that
(09:49):
that iran is part of a broader interest that he
has you know what i mean from a rather broader
grievance set that he has. Or they could have something
a lot meatier than that, but they need to confirm it.
So we'll see.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yes. So that is out there. And I should also
mention that they have arrested someone else. This, according to
The Guardian, I just saw this come across, that is
a dual Iranian and British citizen associated with the proposed
terror attack or plan of a terror attack that was
(10:25):
taking place near an American base in England. So there
are some of these different threads that may or may
not end up being connected. We should also mention, Buck,
they have suspended all fly Dubai traffic. To Israel, making
you wonder, are there other pilots that either were radicalized
(10:48):
or was this a long range sleeper cell operation potentially
where they were trying to do a 9-11 style attack?
I still haven't heard a lot of people talk about
the fact, Buck, this guy waited till soon before they
were going in. into Israeli airspace to make this move.
They were several hours, in other words, into the flight.
(11:10):
If his goal was just to crash the plane, which
is a bad goal by itself, he could have theoretically
made this move earlier in the flight and taken that
plane down anywhere. The fact that he made the move
right before they were going into Israeli airspace, to me,
indicates that he may have been intending to use this
plane as a method to kill even more people 9-11
(11:34):
style and.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
This is where you get into the of course it
was not a coincidence that an attempted hijacking occurred of
a plane full of israelis about to land in israel
right there are thousands tens of thousands probably i don't
know certainly thousands of flights all over the world every
day there was clearly a terrorist anti-israel anti-West component of this,
(11:59):
unless you're going to believe the one in a million
that this just happened to be a guy who was
having a bad day, which none of us believed and
clearly was not the case. But we'll continue to look
for this. I am very curious about what the investigation
turns up, if there were any co-conspirators, any remote control,
external assistance in targeting, or even just what they call
(12:20):
spiritual sanctioning. Essentially, yes, we bless this as a terrorist
operation in the name of ISIS, whatever it may be.
We could find all of that, but we'll have to
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Sometimes the ideas here are unexpected, such as Peter in Petaluma, California.
What you got for us, Peter?
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Hey, there.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
So you guys were talking earlier about the death penalty
cases and all that. And my idea was that these
death penalty, these executions, I should say, they should put
them on pay-per-view. Instead of just having them where they're
behind a curtain, put them on pay-per-view. Charge $ 20 a
viewer and then give the money to the school.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I bet you have seen this.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Do you remember back in the day the DVDs and
the VCRs, Faces of Death?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
I do.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Dark, dark era. Peter, I appreciate the call. I don't
know if that's a great idea. Daryl in Omaha.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
We don't just real quick. We don't want to do
the thing like this isn't the French Revolution where they're
like the angry mob is like throwing, you know, refuse
that person on their way to the guillotine. Like we're
not we're not barbarians. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Daryl in Omaha, Nebraska. You say you've witnessed two executions.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Actually, I think the pro-lethal injection factions are really anti-death penalty.
There's the lack of drugs, the shelf life, the shipping
across state lines, as you've discussed, finding the vein. And
then we have problems like we did yesterday. The good
wife have actually had an episode on it. Years ago,
I was in the press conference. pool for two executions
(17:03):
in the state of Virginia, and I can tell you
that it is very clean and very quick. They hit
them with two shots. The first one put the person
unconscious immediately. There was no dramatic thing of having them
strapped to a gurney, none of that kind of stuff.
The second one, a charge, they were already, as I say, unconscious.
(17:24):
The second charge actually then completed the deaths. And it
was very swift.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
It was very clean.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
And there was no drama with.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
It at all.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
What I'm squeamish about with the death penalty, Buck, is
wrongful conviction. Oh, that's always what this is. This is
the lawyer in me. We do have wrongful convictions. That
makes me squeamish. When we know that they did it,
I want to do it instantaneously and just be done
with it. You'd be surprised how much data a car
(17:59):
transmits these days. A guy just trying to renew his
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more than 20%. He was in an accident, didn't get
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Turns out his car manufacturer was selling the data on
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it all, sold it to a data broker. The broker
sold it to an insurance company, and when he requested
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his file, there were hundreds of pages in it.
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We've got
a lot of calls coming in, a lot of talkbacks.
We're discussing all of the news of the day with you.
I want to remind you to check out our YouTube channel, please.
It is fantastic. The YouTube channel, it's a beautiful thing,
(19:08):
the YouTube channel, YouTube Clay and Buck, and something else
that we should spend a little bit of time on,
I think, Clay, that has come up on our news
read-in today. It is the speech yesterday given by our
Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, and he said some very
(19:31):
interesting things, and he covered some issues of real policy
that I think people should know about, which we will
get into. But, you know, some of the most quoted
part of it, of course, is Pete saying, this is
kind of Levin, Pete saying the following, listen to this.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
We are no longer the woke department or the weak department.
Simple translation of that. No fatties, no trannies, no beardos,
no weirdos, no wimps, no radicals, just warriors, just tough, ready,
committed troops.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Um, I, you and I can see this together and,
and get exactly what he's saying here. I understand the
DEI stuff when he said, what is he? Cause the most, um,
let's just say, uh, how do I put this? Well,
the tier one operators that I would see down range
(20:31):
and I would, you know, see them coming in and
out of the base, or I would see them, uh,
on the ISR going into the objective clay. They were
very heavily bearded, obviously. particularly in Afghanistan, but in Iraq, too.
And so what is a beard? Oh, is that a
specific because I know Pete, Pete loves spec ops. He
loves all those guys. They're the pinnacle of military infantry,
(20:55):
elite infantry. So but what is a beard? I'm really like,
what is a beard? Oh, is that a specific kind
of person with a beard or just a person who
is bearded?
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Great question. And we've talked about this before. For those
of you who are military history guys, My son, Buck,
tomorrow is going to tour with his college class, the
Battle of Chickamauga, down in the Chattanooga, Tennessee area. And
I was talking with him some about the Battle of Chickamauga,
as military history nerds do in our free time. And
(21:28):
every major Civil War general had a beard, right? It
was the fashion statement, and most of the troops did
as well. And the only reason why the beard vanished,
we've talked about this on the program before, was when
everybody started having to put on gas masks during World
War I, there was a concern that it doesn't. affixed
(21:48):
tightly enough to your face if you have a beard.
In other words, Stonewall Jackson and William Tecumseh Sherman, if
they had needed to get their gas masks on in
World War I, those beards would have gotten in the way.
And so to your point, the beard now has come
back to such ascendance that I believe J.D. Vance is
(22:11):
the first bearded president or vice president In over 100 years.
And my argument, humbly, as a bearded man, would be, Buck,
that bearded men would actually have higher levels of testosterone
on average than non-bearded men. Crazy take, or would you
sign off on that as a rough approximation?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I got to be careful, because I got a patchy beard.
So I don't want to start casting beard aspersions one
way or the other. But I am.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Pro beard as in not gay men with fake with
fake wives, but pro beard.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Important distinction. Pro beard.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
There might be some Democrats listening.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
But my theory about this, the facial is is that
is correct, by the way, which is that as a
as fashion, male fashion and perceptions of masculinity is. Go
go hand in hand and therefore military trends. You rightly
pointed out First World War, also the rise of Gillette
as an American corporation and using the shaved the G.I.
(23:14):
were clean shaven. I think it's also the grooming standard
is also about cleanliness. And and, you know, you're in
the trench, you're in Guadalcanal, wherever you are. They wanted
people to be clean shaven. for, I guess, lice and
things like that. But interestingly enough, Clay, because you're right,
Civil War era America, peak beard, peak beard. And I
(23:37):
did a quick AI history of this. The trend, though,
toward this, started really in the Crimean War, where British
and Allied soldiers grew beards because of the harsh field conditions.
And when they returned home, the rugged look was celebrated
as the pinnacle of masculinity. Then it made its way
(24:01):
to America, of course, from the Brits and our allies. But, Clay,
I want to point out, this is very much like
what happened with Afghanistan and Iraq, where operators, Tier 1
operators come back looking all badass. They got the beard.
They got the Oakleys on or whatever, and they're coming back.
Same idea. And also, as a reaction in the 19th
(24:24):
century to women's rights movements and industrialization, men had beards
as a sort of show of masculinity. So that is
why the 19th century was the set in America. And
in Europe was the century of the male beard, the beard. Oh,
I have to look up. What is a beard?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Oh, versus a, Ali says that a beard. Oh, uh,
producer Ali, according to chat GPT, by the way, got
to use grok chat. GPT is for, uh, Not very
masculine men. Beardo implies someone is overly invested in their
beard or has a stereotypical hipster look. I just think
(25:05):
Pete is very clean shaven. I think we agree with
Pete on a lot. I think he may be anti beard,
just anti beard on men. And this is now a
part of his statement. I've never seen him with a beard.
I don't think he's ever had a beard. That's what
I'm saying. Sean Parnell's got a beard. You know, his
right-hand man, Sean Parnell, and our buddy, he's got a beard.
(25:27):
So I don't know what this anti-beard stuff from Pete.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
We've got to talk about this. Can Pete grow a beard? Oh.
He can bench 300 pounds. He's very strong.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
But you probably have some friends. I have some friends.
My own dad can't grow a beard. He doesn't have
enough facial hair. If he does, and there are a
lot of guys out there, they start trying to grow
the beard. And the guy who can't grow the beard
tends to be very anti-beard on men because he can't
grow the beard. So he's like, well, you look slovenly.
(25:59):
What are you doing with your life? Maybe pee.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
You know what has been very anti-beard for a long time?
TV news. With the exception of Wolf Blitzer, I can't
think of any big-time cable news anchor man who has
had a beard. Do you know why?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Historically, it may have changed recently, historically bearded men were
seen as less trustworthy. So, yeah, 100 percent. Now, it
may have changed in the last 20 years, but that's
the reason why all politicians were clean shaven, because the
general public sees a clean shaven man as a more
(26:39):
trustworthy man than than not, which is why I think
the number of guys that have beards on television is
still relatively low. And I'll tell you, when I interviewed
for law jobs. When I was 2002, I've had a
beard now for 24 years, if my math is right.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
When I was in law school.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
They told us, be clean-shaven for your interviews because you
will be judged against if you have a beard as
not being as trustworthy as guys who do not have beards.
It will, in other words, make it harder for you
to be hired. And now they're debating, Buck, have you
seen the latest controversy?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
About.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I don't know if Producer Ali has seen this too,
that too many job interviewees... I've read this in the
Wall Street Journal and the New York Times now. It's
a huge debate. are showing up with iced coffees for
job interviews. And people are like, what are you doing?
This is a job interview. How dare you walk in
here with an iced coffee? And they are saying that
(27:41):
it is a bad look. And there's a huge debate
over should it be an influence or not. So... Look,
my general position, I kept the beard, but I thought
about it a lot because if doing something that isn't
that important could cost you a job, shouldn't you just
do the thing, generally speaking, that would make it more
likely you would be hired?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Without, obviously, names or situation to give away details, you've
hired and fired people for a long time now. I
have hired and fired some people, not as many or
as long as you have. Has anyone ever in the
hiring process... of applying for a job with you, done
something that was an idiosyncrasy, an eccentricity on the spot
(28:25):
that you were like, I don't think I could get
over that. Because I have one that wasn't me, but
it was somebody that I was working for, and I
was shocked to find out that.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
First interview, I got asked what the vacation policy was.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
I don't think that's that bad. Am I alone on this?
You can't ask about the vacation policy. Clay's a tough cookie.
In the first interview, when can I not work for you?
When will you pay me to do nothing?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
That's pretty funny.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I was like, this guy's gone. Just in my head,
I was like, why would you ask? And again, I
understand caring about the vacation policy. At the very first interview,
you're asking the guy who's running the company, hey, tell
me about your vacation policy? I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I'm like, you're gone, bud. I worked for some people
in the government who were very old school. And like
I said, my CIA, not all CIA offices, you know,
at Langley, certainly a lot of people dress, you know,
kind of honestly dressed like slobs, most of them, just
being honest. But we had a you had to have
basically jacket and tie. You could take the tie off.
But like we sat there, you know, ready to go
(29:36):
brief Congress or whatever most of the days. But I
worked in government and somebody came by. It was actually
one police plaza. It was not Langley to pick up
a like some kind of a packet for their interview
or something. I forget exactly what it was. So he
wasn't meeting anybody, but he showed up to one police plaza.
(29:56):
And some of the cops here, this might know what
to say. in shorts and sandals. And the guy in charge,
won't say who it is, saw that and was like,
you do not show up to police headquarters in shorts
and sandals. Done. Didn't tell him this, but just killed
the guy's application, like made sure that he wasn't going
to join the team. I thought that was harsh. I
(30:19):
thought that was tough, but he was very, he was
just like, you do not show up to a serious
place of work Now, I'm wondering, by the way, I
bet a lot of our people agree with that. I
think it's very generational. The shorts thing, you know, the
shorts versus no, like, And remember, he wasn't on duty.
He wasn't working. He just came to pick something up
(30:39):
as a civilian, but he showed up in shorts and
I think sandals too. And they, and they bagged him
for that. At my, this, we could probably do calls.
Let's do this tomorrow. Like what you have seen someone do.
And you've been like, you're out. That'd be really, that
is certainly talk backs. I really want to know what people,
when I was a young lawyer.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And I was practicing in the Caribbean in my defense,
I would drive into work. in, uh, this is funny
that you mentioned the flip-flops. I would drive into work
in flip-flops and walk in. You could park underneath the
law firm and then you could come up a back,
you know, staircase. And then I would go into the
office and I had shoes that I would keep.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
In the office.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
A lot of women like, you know, change shoes, but
I was like, I'll wear flip-flops, you know, to drive in.
I don't want, you know, whatever. I've been a Jeep Wrangler.
I think it was where I was driving. And one
of the partners came and said, Hey, uh, You're in
a law firm. You can't wear flip flops, even if
you're coming up the back side.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
This is the Caribbean.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Even if you're coming up the backside entrance where the
lawyers come in because a client might see you in
the waiting room and be like, why am I paying,
you know, at that time, 200, 300 dollars an hour
for a lawyer who's wearing flip flops? So I they
were like, you need to stop doing this. Ooh, what
you wear to the office versus what you wear in
(32:05):
the office. I think that's also fertile ground. I mean,
like I had a suit. A lot of lawyers keep suits,
and we didn't have to wear suits, but you keep
a suit in the event that you might get called
in for a court proceeding or whatever else.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
If you're the Caribbean, you need a lawyer, don't you
want him to kind of look like he's Jimmy Buffett, Margaritaville?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I didn't think it was a big deal, but I'm
just saying sometimes you can be a knucklehead when you're
25 years old. Producer Allie just texted that she was
doing an interview recently And you said somebody walked in
with an iced coffee and everybody was like, what's going on?
This is really, I do think this is interesting buck
(32:42):
because the argument is you're just too casual. If you're
bringing in like your own drink to, you can't make
it through an interview without needing fluids. I, it's an
interesting point. I wouldn't have thought about, honestly, did he
get the job alley?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
He did not. Wow. Getting the guillotine here. Is it
you or is it me? It's you.
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Pretend it's your wedding night. Will in North Carolina.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Yeah, the answer to your spec ops and beards is
that they are forward deployed and it's part of their
job description. What Heptek is talking about are people who
have no shade ships that are not deployed. In other words,
they're home in the United States.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
But still, I mean, there are a lot of good-looking beards.
Joe in Mayo, Florida.
Speaker 9 (34:40):
Hi. When I was in the Air Force, I grew
a mustache when I soloed in a jet. And about
seven years later, I went in for an interview at
Air Florida, and I wanted to look good, so I
shaved off my mustache and had a white lip, went
out in my boat, fell asleep, And had a horribly
red lip. I went in the next day to meet
with the chief pilot. And he had a huge handlebar mustache.
(35:02):
And he looked at me and said, what happened to you?
And I said, well, it's obvious. I wanted to look
good for the interview. And he says, you must really
want this job to shave your mustache off.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
I said, I do.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
And he said, you're hired. Be here Monday. The class
starts at 9 o'clock.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
So that is awesome.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
That's a great story. Doesn't the military, I think under
the grooming standard, you could have a certain kind of mustache.
I don't think you can.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah. I mean, during Top Gun, uh, a lot of
the guys, Goose, Goose had a mustache. Uh, Jeff in Texas.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Hey, I was called for an interview to be the man,
engineering manager for the shuttle space toilet. And, uh, I
was taking care of my infant daughter, and so I said,
can I bring her? They said, okay, and I brought
her in this little rock-a-roo thing, and I was feeding
her a bottle while we talked about it, and good job.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Okay, so hold on.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
You were the expert for how astronauts should poop? Like,
this is what you did? Like, this was your engineering expertise?
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
It was great.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Thanks for paying your taxes.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I feel like there are so many people out there
with so many questions. What surprised you the most about
the engineering difficulties of toilets in space?
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Well, it has to do with surface tension. Things stick
to things, and that can be a real problem.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Wow, I learned about space poop today on the show.
That is amazing.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
You never know what the callers are going to have
for us, Buck. Thank you so much, Jeff.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Congrats.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
That's a great story, too, about the daughter, but he
doesn't drop in there. I'm in charge of you know,
toilets on spacecraft. That's kind of an amazing job. We'll
have some more fun tomorrow. Give us your talk backs
about reasons why you did or did not hire somebody
that had nothing to do with their qualifications. We'll have
fun with that tomorrow.
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