July 7, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show focused on the escalating political controversy surrounding Maine Democratic Senate nominee Graham Platner, the broader Democratic Party identity crisis with male voters, developments in the Charlie Kirk assassination case, prediction markets, 2028 presidential speculation, and discussions about political authenticity, masculinity, and media narratives. The hosts also touched on major FIFA World Cup developments, including a dramatic Argentina comeback victory that became one of the biggest sports stories of the day.
A major topic throughout Hour 3 was the growing uncertainty surrounding Graham Platner’s future in the Maine Senate race. Clay and Buck analyzed mounting pressure from Democratic leaders after sexual assault allegations surfaced against Platner. The hosts discussed the timeline facing the candidate, noting that he has a limited window to withdraw and allow Democrats to select a replacement nominee. The conversation intensified after Bernie Sanders publicly called on Platner to step aside, a significant development given Sanders’ earlier support of his campaign. Clay and Buck argued that prediction markets increasingly expect Platner to leave the race, but both questioned whether doing so would actually benefit him personally.
The hosts repeatedly returned to the strategic dilemma facing Platner. They argued that Platner has publicly denied the allegations and suggested that voluntarily withdrawing could be interpreted as an admission of wrongdoing. Clay maintained that if he were in Platner’s position and believed himself innocent, he would refuse to leave the race. Buck agreed that the candidate’s incentives point toward staying in the contest unless substantial pressure or inducements are offered behind the scenes. The discussion explored political negotiations, campaign strategy, public perception, and how parties manage candidates they view as liabilities.
A substantial portion of the hour examined the role of Democratic Party leadership and the media in Platner’s rise. Clay highlighted new criticism from one of Platner’s accusers directed at The New York Times, arguing that more extensive reporting before the primary could have significantly altered the race. The hosts discussed allegations that journalists and Democratic operatives may have been aware of troubling information before the primary vote but failed to act aggressively until after Platner secured the nomination. They framed the controversy as evidence of a party struggling to reconcile political ambitions with candidate vetting and accountability.
The discussion expanded into a broader analysis of the Democratic Party’s struggles with male voters. Clay and Buck argued that Democrats understand they have a significant weakness with working-class men but lack the cultural instincts necessary to connect with them authentically. Platner was presented as an example of a candidate whom party leaders believed could appeal to traditionally masculine voters because of his military background, physicality, and working-class image. However, the hosts argued that subsequent revelations have undermined those efforts and highlighted deeper problems within the party’s political strategy.
Building on that theme, Clay and Buck spent considerable time debating the modern definition of political masculinity and authenticity. They contrasted figures they viewed as relatable and culturally aligned with average male voters against Democratic politicians they believe struggle to project authenticity. The hosts referenced figures such as Tim Walz, James Talarico, and Wes Moore while discussing how political parties attempt to cultivate candidates who resonate with different demographic groups. The conversation became a broader discussion about culture, identity politics, working-class voters, and political branding.
The hour also revisited the ongoing legal proceedings involving Tyler Robinson, the man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk. Clay and Buck continued pushing back on conspiracy theories that suggest Robinson is not responsible for the shooting. The hosts emphasized the large volume of evidence presented by investigators, including surveillance footage, witness accounts, forensic analysis, and courtroom testimony. They argued that attempts to dismiss the case often require implausible assumptions about law enforcement agencies, federal investigators, prosecutors, and individuals close to Charlie Kirk all participating in a massive cover-up.
Several listener calls contributed to the debate about the Kirk case. One caller questioned aspects of the ballistics evidence and the official timeline, while another offered insight from personal experience with firearms and hunting. Clay and Buck responded by emphasizing the importance of expertise, forensic science, and evidence-based conclusions. The
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back in our number three, Clay and Buck rolling
through a ton of different stories. If you happen to
be Egyptian and listening to this show, don't know that
there's tons of Egyptians listening. Worst defeat for Egypt since
the parting of the Red Sea Buck. They were up
two to zero with seventy eight minutes into the game Argentina.
(00:23):
Then the defending World Cup champions, scored three goals in
thirteen minutes and they win it in regulation, one of
the biggest comebacks in modern sports history. Tom Brady tweeting
that it may be even better, sorry Atlanta area sports fans,
than the twenty eight to three Patriots Super Bowl title
comeback that just happened. Big story, obviously. In the world
(00:49):
of politics, Graham Platner the drama surrounding what is he
or not? What is he going to do or not?
Is he going to drop out? He has until July
thirteen team to drop out and allow the Democrats to
select a new replacement. They would have two weeks to
select a replacement until July twenty seventh. Bernie Sanders, who
(01:12):
was one of the top endorsers of Graham Plattner, has
finally broken his silence, weighed in and he says he
thinks it's best for Graham Plattner if he were to
drop out, to step down and allow a replacement to
be selected. We have been talking about the evidence in
the Tyler Robinson case as that evidence is being revealed
(01:35):
by the way, Bernie Sanders saying, I've spoken with Graham
Plattner about the best path forward for Maine in light
of these very serious allegations. I have recommended that he
stepped aside that just now from Bernie Sanders. We have
talked about the Tyler Robinson trial evidence, we are taking
calls on that. We have talked about Mitch McConnell and
(01:58):
shared from Scott Jennings CNN the conversation that he relayed
with Mitch McConnell. As Mitch McConnell has not been seen
for several weeks and continues to suffer from significant health
related issues. All of that underway and we will continue
to follow them. But I would say, in general, Buck,
(02:21):
the biggest story that is out there right now is
what is Graham Platner going to do?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Will he or won't he step down?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
There is substantial evidence at least if you look at
Kalshi and Polymarket that he is going to be stepping down.
But both you and I are of the opinion that
he won this primary in June. A lot of these
allegations about him, the Nazi tattoo, the Reddit post, the
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inappropriate conduct with women were readily apparent, and any of
the Democrat primary voter could have researched this.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
He won overwhelmingly.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
He was He defeated Janet Mills, the sitting governor. They
spent tens of millions of dollars she did to try
to attack Graham Platner and the voters of Maine in
that primary race said Platner is our guy, and we're
standing behind him. I wouldn't drop out. I'm just gonna
(03:23):
be honest with you. And this is me just being
honest in general. Buck, If if you were accused of
something that you say you didn't do, and that's what
he says, doesn't dropping out make it seem like you
did it. I wouldn't drop out if I didn't do it.
There's a zero percent chance I would drop out.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Uh yeah, I think about the Again, we talked to
the last hour about incentives and incentives being such a
good indicator for what's true, what's not, what's going to happen,
and what won't. What is the incentive for Graham Platner
to drop out after a story comes out that he
says is categorically false. He says, any allegations of non
(04:07):
consensual sexual activity are false. No, noaih Fans or butts is.
I'm just that's his position. That's the position he's taking
if somebody, if you're running for office and someone alleges
something like this against you, and you are telling everybody
it is absolutely false, but then you step out, people
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are going to believe it is true.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Everyone knows that.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
So what is the upside for him to say, you
know what, enough is enough for the people, for the
Democrats of Maine. I will allow somebody else to take
this position. I think it's not there. I think Clay
I'm not going to be betting on this one, but
I think the markets may have this one wrong.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
That he's going to drop out in the next twenty
four hours. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It is interesting also that all of the allegations that
came out in the New York Times, if you go
back in part democrats knew the sexual assault allegations were
out there because they managed to get the New York
Times not to directly call this sexual assault, even though
there were definitely assault allegations that were intimated in a
(05:16):
very significant way in that New York Times piece. And
I just the timing on this is such a Democrat
hit job. They didn't put it out before the July
fourth holiday. They waited until everybody's back home, everybody's paying
attention on the week out. They've got a full week
to increase their pressure to dial it up. And I
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just I wonder if if Graham Platner is going to
have the stones to stay in and if he doesn't,
I feel very confident that it's going to be because
he got paid. I mean, do you disagree with that
that they're going to come to it.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Then that goes to incentives, that's right, That goes to
why would he drop out?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Well, if they say, and I understand, the way.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
That he could try to maintain some degree of reputation
after this if he did step down, is to say,
I flatly deny all these allegations. But it has become
a distraction, and we all know the political speak, right,
it has become a distraction for the people of Maine,
and so for their benefit, even though these are false allegations,
(06:19):
et cetera, et cetera. I will step aside. But he
doesn't actually care about the people of Maine. This is
the point. He's gonna do what's best for him. So
unless you change that calculation, I don't think that he's
I'll tell you something. When we were discussing whether Joe
Biden would step down, and it was a close call,
(06:40):
Clay thought he would eventually be pushed out. I thought
he would make it through, but it was a close call.
I think that's fair to say he stuck out for
How long did he last after the debate?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Weeks?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I would say almost a month. Okay, so a few weeks.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
He did additional interviews, He did that Stephanopoulos interview, and
they he was trying to stick it out and there
was no mechanism to force him out. It was only
convincing him. So how'd they convince him? Well, I'll tell
you something. His wife just had a book come out.
You may have noticed this. I pay attention to these
things sometimes. His wife, doctor Jill Biden, had a book
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come out and it was number one of the new
York Times bestseller list in his first week, and it
had this funny little dagger like this little knife next
to it on the bestseller list, which is the indicator
of someone who had Yeah, they sold a lot of books,
but someone bought all of those books, or some entities
(07:41):
bought those books, called a bulk buy. You know, Jeff
Bezos could easily be the best selling author in like
the history of the world if he wanted to just
spend a billion dollars and buy his own books.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Correct, So this is a way of making sure that
the system isn't gamed without people at least knowing. Now,
they let her game it. They put her at number one.
They could have just kept her off the list. Why Buck,
why are you talking about this? I'm sure Jill Biden
got a seven figure advance for a crappy memoir someone
else wrote for her that nobody cares about. I'm sure
Jill Biden is going to be invited to give speeches
(08:17):
about her book and probably paid speeches about her book
at a whole range of places for one hundred grand,
one hundred and fifty grand to show up. You know,
all this kind of stuff, all these different Democrat controlled
NGOs and foundations. How does all that matter? The real conversation,
whether it was Pelosi, Obama, whatever with Biden, was you
(08:38):
don't step aside and the Bidens can't squeeze another dime
out of this town. That's how they got Joe Biden out.
That's what it came down to, good old fashioned, cold
heart cash laundered through book deals and speaking fees and
board seats and Hunter Biden stuff and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
This is that's how they play the game.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
To be independently wealthy because you can't get as much
financial pressure brought against you. Let me read this because
we were scheduled. Some of you will remember Lindsey Fifield,
who was one of the top accusers of Graham Platner
in the New York Times case, the story that came out.
She posted this earlier today. I understand why Democrat leaders
(09:25):
didn't take our story seriously when the Times reported them
in June, but are taking them seriously now. It was
by design. The line most shared from the piece was
the claim that the New York Times quote could not
corroborate my story despite talking to two of my friends.
I gave them the contact information for five friends. They
(09:47):
called the two who I clarified would not know about
the abuse, but would be able to affirm our relationship,
timeline events, etc. They didn't call the other three. I
also gave them the names of all my four from
my roommates who remembered him stalking our row house and
waiting for me to return. I gave them screenshots of
messages between these roommates and I discussing it. I gave
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them names of other men I dated who might have
remembered him following us around and showing up on my
stoop after we walked home from dates to confront us.
I gave him emails to my landlord asking for to
be able to move. I told them during premarital counseling
I spoke about the abuse because I had to explain
why I reacted anytime he lost his temper the way
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I did. They said, oh, no, we don't need to
bother him or my priest. Besides, I'd written about it
in my diary. As the weeks dragged on, I stopped
trying to give them evidence because the amount I had
already given them seemed to overwhelm them, and I thought
it meant they had more than enough to verify every
one of my claims. My friends might not have known
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the details all of this. They said they couldn't corroborate.
This is interesting because they left Platner get the nomination,
and they had potentially the ability The New York Times
did to really take him down and keep him from
getting the nomination. He has all the cards now, Buck.
(11:13):
They can't force him directly, now you're right. They can
offer him cash, they can offer him inducements, they can
offer him all sorts of different aspects in order to
be able to drop out. But if he just says,
screw you, guys, I'm the nominee. If I were him,
I would actually go and use your example with Kamala
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and Biden and say switching to Kamala didn't help us.
She lost every key state. You're trying to get me
to do what Joe Biden did. The difference is I
don't have dementia. I'm the selected member. I am not
going to drop down.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah. I think that's where we are.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
We'll seean It could be wrong, and there are these
stories out there, or rather rumors about other stories that
could hit and maybe at that point it becomes too much.
And at some level it may also be that a
person who has received so much opprobrium, has had so
many calumnies thrown in their direction, did they want to
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shirk away? They just honestly can't handle the scrutiny anymore,
and so they step aside. I don't think that's this guy.
I don't think that's him, but I would somebody might
ask us Clay why Swallowell?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
We know why.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Democrats pushed him out because they were that was easy
the primary, so they could actually primary.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
They didn't want to have.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
A disaster where they actually had a guy that then
would be a possible liability in the general. So but
why would Swalwell step out? I think it was because
it was just so grotesque and embarrassing. He knew he
wasn't going to win at that point, so he dropped out.
The difference here is Plattner's got it, and here's the
other thing.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
What else does he have?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
This is why I told Jucamlo was gonna run some
of these people. Platner doesn't have kids, he doesn't seem
to have a life outside of politics that would make
him feel in any way fulfilled. This is it for him.
I wouldn't drop out. I'm gonna be honest with you,
I just wouldn't do it.
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. It has
been to be remarkable to see some of the walk
back from different members of the Democrats establishment, as well
as journalists, members of the press corps, etc.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Who all of a sudden are like, Oh.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
It turns out the Nazi tattoo guy were all kinds
of red flags in front of him.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
It turns out I.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Shouldn't have endorsed him, and I would now like to
rescind my endorsement of this guy. Let me just say
a big part of this, Clay, I think a big
subtext in all of this going on with this Senate
race and Maine is Democrats have a real problem with
see being like they can find a white guy from
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the working class anywhere in the country to run for
office who seems like a normal guy, a bro if
you will, And this was the closest thing that they
could come up with, and so they were really putting
him in like this special category of Hey, we need more,
(15:27):
we need guys who wear trucker hats and not ironically
and live in Brooklyn, Like we need guys who actually
drive trucks, you know, we need something like that, and
I think that they kind of cast him, and then
they realized that they were stuck with him, and now
(15:48):
they're starting to feel like maybe.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
It wasn't worth the juice, wasn't worth the squeeze.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Well, I think what it represents is there are no
normal men in the Democrat Party. There are people like
James Talerico and Tim Walls who I would say are
on the effeminate masculine scale. They are more effeminate than
they are masculine. And then you've got guys like Graham
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Platner who are psychotic and I mean again in that
New York Times story, and it was maybe the most
staggering part of the New York Times story last month,
Buck was he said if someone tried to rob him
that he would rape the robber, but not in a
(16:36):
gay way, just to establish dominance.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And the campaign admitted that he said it.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Have you ever heard a guy say ever, like even
in any way, like Hey, I'm gonna rape another guy,
but not in a gay way, just to establish dominant
Maybe they say that in prisons. I don't know, I've
never heard like they just can't find a normal dude, right,
They either go crazy borderline felon who's psychotic, or they
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have super effeminate Tallarico's and Tim wallas Is. They can't
just have normal dudes.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
There is there is, in fact, a space in masculinity
between sociopath who should be in prison and has clear
issues and like jazz hands.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yes, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
There's like both where most guys are.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, there is a space there. You know, it's not
necessarily you're either Hannibal Lecter.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Or you are you know, Pee Wee Herman. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
That gets it done.
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Clay and Buck. Rolling through the two statution of the program.
(19:00):
We got some callers, we'll get to you. We got
some great talkbacks as well. But I did want to
play this because everybody right now who is lining up
and claiming, oh, how could we have known anything about
Graham Platner, They all knew that this was out there,
and they even questioned Graham Platner about was there more
that might come out, including Buck's favorite television show, Mika
(19:25):
and Joe Scarborough on Morning Joe cut Tin, Sorry cut nine.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Can you?
Speaker 6 (19:37):
I got to tell you there is nothing out there
that is going to be will run counter to any
of the stories that I've talked about openly this entire campaign,
and I know everyone continues to be like oh, what
else is coming?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Okay, so you say there's nothing out there that it
could be concerning, and this may seem be a little
bit rich.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
I want to make this clear, there's nothing out there
that's actually concerning. People will make everything seem very concerning,
because that's one people in politics.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Oh, nothing out there very concerning except a few rape
allegations happened. So among us hasn't been accused of rape.
But this also ties in cut eight, we were talking
about the normal male universe, which is between jazz hands
and rape allegations. Here is Graham Platner saying that he
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represents This is one month ago on NPR saying that
he represents healthy masculinity.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Cut eight.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
You represent masculinity in certain ways. The Democrats have trouble
connecting with male voters. Describe the masculinity that you represent.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
I think it's just a healthy form of it, which
is yeah, look, I mean I lift weights, I shoot gum.
My background is obviously in the military, I work outside.
Most of my hobbies are things that people tend to
associate with, like manly stuff. I guess at the exact
same time I go to therapy. I have a very
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open sort of dialogue and emotional relationship with my wife.
I am. I work incredibly hard to put myself in
places where I share space with folks.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Okay, so this is exactly what I was saying a
few minutes ago, Clay, which is, this is why this
guy not only became their nominee, but was they were
so desperate to give him a pass even though basic
oppo research must have turned this because they'll do that
on their own side too, to know what they're working with.
That must have turned this stuff up very early on.
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And yet it's because they do not have they This
is the demographic nationally and certainly in Maine as well,
specifically in Maine that Democrats are weakest with, which is
white guys who don't sit in a comfy, air conditioned office,
you know, nine ten hours a day, who shoot guns.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
I mean, he says, you know, lift weights.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
He's got kind of a handlebar mustache too, So I
guess that goes to is it a handlebar?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Is that what we would call it?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I think, right, yeah, in some form of mustache, And yeah,
that's they found this guy, and I think they realized,
like the Talla Rico thing, to.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Me is is just.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
More for comedy value now than a comedy value than
anything else. I mean, Texans, you got to show up.
You know, you never know all that applies. But the
guy is just absurd for the state of Texas. This guy.
If Democrats were casting who they wanted to be their
head fake.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Candidate in Maine, the party.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
That you know wants to trans the kids and have
the open borders and all this stuff, they actually want
to present themselves in Maine as as the Party of
Grand Platner still and that's why this whole thing has
turned into such a train wreck for them.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, and I also think it's a great example of
sometimes you know what you need, but you lack the
skills to find the person who has the knowledge that
you need.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Let me give you an example, Buck, I if.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
You told me, hey, Clay, you have to watch mechanics
in a car shop and you have to pick who
the best mechanic is. I don't have the skill to
know how to fix cars to be able to tell
you if I have five mechanics in front of me,
which of those mechanics is the best. My car's broken down.
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I know that I need to get it fixed. I
don't have the skill set. When I'm getting talked to
about how to get my car fixed, I don't know
enough about cars to be able to.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Pick the best mechanic.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Democrats know that their party is broken with men, but
they so lack the ability to connect with normal men
that they can't actually pick someone who is the solution
to the problem that they know they have. Right, that's
how you get Tim Walls. Oh well he wears carhart.
Oh well he wears boots. Oh he was a former coach.
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Remember they tried to introduce him as coach Walls, they
didn't even call him governor. He's just like Eric Taylor
on Friday Night Lights.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
We're gonna win football fans.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
And then people start watching him do the jazz hands
and the kicks and everything else, and they say, this
dude is not normal.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
He's not a normal guy. Same thing now with Platner,
same thing with Tall Rika.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And the issue is for guys who are the archetype
of what Platner was trying to represent and connect with.
What the heck would you have in common with the
Democrat Party of twenty twenty six and.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
What really you know? Because there are these things.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
There are people, for example, maybe they're in a they're
in like a machinist union or something, and they Okay,
there are exceptions, I get that. But if you look
at the run of the mill, white guy American voter,
what does he want to do with the Democrat Party
these days? How is the Democrat Party here here? Even
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more so, how's the Democrat Party trying to cater to
his interests in any meaningful way when they let in
ten million plus illegals and four years of biding all
the affirmative action stuff, all the boss lady women's empowerment stuff.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
I mean, you go down this whole list.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Democrats have a plan of what they want to give
to everybody at some level, except white guys who work
outside sometimes and maybe lift weight, shoot guns and have
facial hair. I mean, that's the demographic that they don't have.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
There's the challenge that they've got buck building on where
they are right now. I think, not only have they
lost a lot of white guys, increasingly they are having
trouble speaking to Hispanic, Asian and black guys. The Democrat
Party has a colossal issue with men in general.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
This is why I think your theory back in the
day before he came out and said that he'd be
okay with his twelve year old kid or whatever it
was transing himself. Wes Moore was supposed to be the
normal guy. I think so far he has not, on
the national stage been able to answer questions because the
Democrat Party is so crazy that even a normal guy,
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and I do think Wes Moore, as Democrats go.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
May be a normal guy.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Even a normal guy has to answer questions about Democrat
Party insanity, which makes him abnormal and disconnected from the
average mail. Because I gotta be honest with you, there
is not a single man listening to us right now,
and I don't even think wes Moore believed the answer
he gave. Who is asked what would you say if
(27:10):
your twelve year old son decided he wanted to be
a girl. I think every man listening to us right now,
most women, but certainly every man, would say, yeah, we're
not doing that. You're twelve. Let's go through puberty. When
you're over eighteen, you can make lifestyle choices that may
be different. No man is saying, hey, let's talk about
(27:31):
chopping your penis off. You're a girl, let's just chop
your penis off, let's pump you full of estrogen, like
Wes Moore doesn't even believe that. But Democrat Party orthodoxy
is so crazy on some of these issues that you're
having to have guys say I'm okay with a girl
with a boy competing in girl sports.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
But the barrier, even if you are a normal guy,
the barrier to what you have to say, is so
far disconnected from normal masculinity that they are just going
any ability to connect.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
The Democrat Party now basically has a litmus test for
exactly the things that you just laid out that eliminates.
The people who fail the test are run of the mill,
normal every day dude, American dudes. That's who they the
bros out there, that's who they have such a disconnect,
(28:24):
but they're aware of that. They know that, I mean
just because demographically the data shows it and it's a
threat to their power. But this is also letting them
to make decisions like this where all they want is authenticity,
and they are inherently inauthentic about it because you can't
(28:44):
really be Graham Plattner and be a Democrat as they
want him to be, right, I mean, there's no way
if you push this guy on some of these issues,
he's going to say the things that he would need
to say in order forms or MS now to be
happy with him and other oyster farmers to be happy
with him.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
There's going to be a problem there.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
This is such, This is such the cultural problem the
Democrats have and Buck, this is why Kamala Harris is
going to be the nominee in twenty twenty eight because
men are not showing up to vote in big numbers
in the Democrat primary.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
You know who is black women?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
And then she's going to show up when she's the nominee, Buck,
and she's going to try to pick another bland white guy,
and I think it'll be somebody like Andy Basheer.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
You know you know who's surging right now in your
favorite markets where the gambling occurs. Yes, a o C
is having a moment right now. I think it's because
Gavin Newsom's had a rough week.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
But AOC is increasingly talked about, not as a I've
always thought she was the vice president, you know, nominee.
I've always thought she was going to be the night Right.
But people we're saying now she could be top of
the ticket.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I don't think and I could be wrong on this,
but that makes sense to me because the AOC rise really,
to me, is partly about kneecapping Kamala Harris, because she
could have some of the same appeal to minority women
as Kamala Harris. You know, all of the criticisms that
we have about Kamala Harris, that she can't sit for
an interview, that she's an empty vessel. I actually think
(30:25):
AOC is a dumber version of Kamala. She's sophisticated on
social media, but in terms of being able to actually
answer complicated questions, I think AOC is not as intelligent
as Kamala.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
No I did I think I think. I think you're
way off on this one.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I think AOC has got about five IQ points on Kamala.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I think she's smarter than Comma. Whenever you think of Kamala,
she passed the bar. What has AOC ever done. She
was a bartender, and I know she went to BU
but she went to a rich school in Westchester. Tries
to pretend now that she's AOC from the Bronx. Kamala
passed a bar exam, she was an ag. She was
(31:09):
first she failed at first. It's true she failed at first.
Okay my argument, Yeah, I don't think. I don't think
AOC could pass a bar exam. I still think AOC
is smarter than I think I. I you know what,
I think this audience is with me.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I think they think AOC if you had like a
general knowledge test, or if you just did like a
straight up in depth IQ, I think AOC has more
cognitive ability than.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
This is a fun one. Let's put up a whole
question who is smarter AOC or Kamala. In the meantime,
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Speaker 4 (33:37):
That's all good stuff. I wanted to get to Zach
and Oklahoma.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Here.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
What's going on, Zach?
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Hey, guys, good to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
You too.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
So, yeah, I was told the call screener.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I've got a take on Charlie Kirk. I've killed over
three hundred big game animals with.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
A rifle, and I can tell you that bullets.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Can do some very strange things when they hit tissue
and bone. Yeah, yeah, they don't always got a thirty
out six will not always go through and through in
a deer, for example. So yeah, I mean, this is
the people are. But this is why I ask thank you, Zach.
Is that do you want to share that anything else?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I know that's it.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
No, Well, hey, I appreciate that, and you're somebody who
knows what he's talking about. But this is, you know, again,
kind to be respectful and invite different points of view
here for people who want to talk things out in
a civil fashion, whatever the topic may be. But if
you're going to question the expertise of the people that
are testifying about this in law enforcement. You want to
(34:40):
know something about what you're talking about, right, And the
notion that the that this the bullet itself is somehow
just positive, well it proves that this guy didn't do it,
is I just think there's that's frankly absurd. I just
think it's an absurd take. I've I've heard it a
lot from people, I've seen it a lot on online,
and it's if that is the objection to Tyler Robinson
(35:03):
did this, that that is not a rational objection, as
in a you know, that does not prove innocence or
even reasonable doubt.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I just would come back to hundreds of law enforcement
are involved in this investigation. Cash Ptel is personal friends
with Charlie Kirk. President Trump is personal friends with Charlie Kirk.
Jade Vance is personal friends with Charlie Kirk. Donald Trump
Junior personal friends with Charlie Kirk, his wife, and his
(35:37):
parents are all there for the trial. In order for
your conspiracy to be true, All of the people who
knew and loved Charlie Kirk the most are either being
lied to in hundreds of investigators are all lying for
what reason to try to frame someone to allow someone
(36:01):
else to go free, it doesn't add up.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Someone weighed in on something very important here, e Senna
from New Mexico hit it guys.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
So as far as who's smarter AOC or Kamala AOC,
and I use the Kardashian theory. The Kardashians. Everybody thinks
they're dumb, but they're really not. I mean, they didn't
do anything, and look how they're worth millions, right, same
thing with the AOC. She didn't go to law school
or anything, but somehow she figured out a way to
(36:31):
get into office.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I think that I think that the Kardashians are worth
more like a billion plus by the way, oh yeah,
not just millions.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, they're billionaires. But I think the brains behind much
of the Kardashian team is Chris Jenner, who actually I.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Do believe is Mark. The answer is Kamala. Sadly, we'll
be back tomorrow.
Welcome back in our number three, Clay and Buck rolling
through a ton of different stories. If you happen to
be Egyptian and listening to this show, don't know that
there's tons of Egyptians listening. Worst defeat for Egypt since
the parting of the Red Sea Buck. They were up
two to zero with seventy eight minutes into the game Argentina.
(00:23):
Then the defending World Cup champions, scored three goals in
thirteen minutes and they win it in regulation, one of
the biggest comebacks in modern sports history. Tom Brady tweeting
that it may be even better, sorry Atlanta area sports fans,
than the twenty eight to three Patriots Super Bowl title
comeback that just happened. Big story, obviously. In the world
(00:49):
of politics, Graham Platner the drama surrounding what is he
or not? What is he going to do or not?
Is he going to drop out? He has until July
thirteen team to drop out and allow the Democrats to
select a new replacement. They would have two weeks to
select a replacement until July twenty seventh. Bernie Sanders, who
(01:12):
was one of the top endorsers of Graham Plattner, has
finally broken his silence, weighed in and he says he
thinks it's best for Graham Plattner if he were to
drop out, to step down and allow a replacement to
be selected. We have been talking about the evidence in
the Tyler Robinson case as that evidence is being revealed
(01:35):
by the way, Bernie Sanders saying, I've spoken with Graham
Plattner about the best path forward for Maine in light
of these very serious allegations. I have recommended that he
stepped aside that just now from Bernie Sanders. We have
talked about the Tyler Robinson trial evidence, we are taking
calls on that. We have talked about Mitch McConnell and
(01:58):
shared from Scott Jennings CNN the conversation that he relayed
with Mitch McConnell. As Mitch McConnell has not been seen
for several weeks and continues to suffer from significant health
related issues. All of that underway and we will continue
to follow them. But I would say, in general, Buck,
(02:21):
the biggest story that is out there right now is
what is Graham Platner going to do?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Will he or won't he step down?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
There is substantial evidence at least if you look at
Kalshi and Polymarket that he is going to be stepping down.
But both you and I are of the opinion that
he won this primary in June. A lot of these
allegations about him, the Nazi tattoo, the Reddit post, the
(02:53):
inappropriate conduct with women were readily apparent, and any of
the Democrat primary voter could have researched this.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
He won overwhelmingly.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
He was He defeated Janet Mills, the sitting governor. They
spent tens of millions of dollars she did to try
to attack Graham Platner and the voters of Maine in
that primary race said Platner is our guy, and we're
standing behind him. I wouldn't drop out. I'm just gonna
(03:23):
be honest with you. And this is me just being
honest in general. Buck, If if you were accused of
something that you say you didn't do, and that's what
he says, doesn't dropping out make it seem like you
did it. I wouldn't drop out if I didn't do it.
There's a zero percent chance I would drop out.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Uh yeah, I think about the Again, we talked to
the last hour about incentives and incentives being such a
good indicator for what's true, what's not, what's going to happen,
and what won't. What is the incentive for Graham Platner
to drop out after a story comes out that he
says is categorically false. He says, any allegations of non
(04:07):
consensual sexual activity are false. No, noaih Fans or butts is.
I'm just that's his position. That's the position he's taking
if somebody, if you're running for office and someone alleges
something like this against you, and you are telling everybody
it is absolutely false, but then you step out, people
(04:28):
are going to believe it is true.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Everyone knows that.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
So what is the upside for him to say, you
know what, enough is enough for the people, for the
Democrats of Maine. I will allow somebody else to take
this position. I think it's not there. I think Clay
I'm not going to be betting on this one, but
I think the markets may have this one wrong.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
That he's going to drop out in the next twenty
four hours. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It is interesting also that all of the allegations that
came out in the New York Times, if you go
back in part democrats knew the sexual assault allegations were
out there because they managed to get the New York
Times not to directly call this sexual assault, even though
there were definitely assault allegations that were intimated in a
(05:16):
very significant way in that New York Times piece. And
I just the timing on this is such a Democrat
hit job. They didn't put it out before the July
fourth holiday. They waited until everybody's back home, everybody's paying
attention on the week out. They've got a full week
to increase their pressure to dial it up. And I
(05:40):
just I wonder if if Graham Platner is going to
have the stones to stay in and if he doesn't,
I feel very confident that it's going to be because
he got paid. I mean, do you disagree with that
that they're going to come to it.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Then that goes to incentives, that's right, That goes to
why would he drop out?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Well, if they say, and I understand, the way.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
That he could try to maintain some degree of reputation
after this if he did step down, is to say,
I flatly deny all these allegations. But it has become
a distraction, and we all know the political speak, right,
it has become a distraction for the people of Maine,
and so for their benefit, even though these are false allegations,
(06:19):
et cetera, et cetera. I will step aside. But he
doesn't actually care about the people of Maine. This is
the point. He's gonna do what's best for him. So
unless you change that calculation, I don't think that he's
I'll tell you something. When we were discussing whether Joe
Biden would step down, and it was a close call,
(06:40):
Clay thought he would eventually be pushed out. I thought
he would make it through, but it was a close call.
I think that's fair to say he stuck out for
How long did he last after the debate?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Weeks?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I would say almost a month. Okay, so a few weeks.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
He did additional interviews, He did that Stephanopoulos interview, and
they he was trying to stick it out and there
was no mechanism to force him out. It was only
convincing him. So how'd they convince him? Well, I'll tell
you something. His wife just had a book come out.
You may have noticed this. I pay attention to these
things sometimes. His wife, doctor Jill Biden, had a book
(07:18):
come out and it was number one of the new
York Times bestseller list in his first week, and it
had this funny little dagger like this little knife next
to it on the bestseller list, which is the indicator
of someone who had Yeah, they sold a lot of books,
but someone bought all of those books, or some entities
(07:41):
bought those books, called a bulk buy. You know, Jeff
Bezos could easily be the best selling author in like
the history of the world if he wanted to just
spend a billion dollars and buy his own books.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Correct, So this is a way of making sure that
the system isn't gamed without people at least knowing. Now,
they let her game it. They put her at number one.
They could have just kept her off the list. Why Buck,
why are you talking about this? I'm sure Jill Biden
got a seven figure advance for a crappy memoir someone
else wrote for her that nobody cares about. I'm sure
Jill Biden is going to be invited to give speeches
(08:17):
about her book and probably paid speeches about her book
at a whole range of places for one hundred grand,
one hundred and fifty grand to show up. You know,
all this kind of stuff, all these different Democrat controlled
NGOs and foundations. How does all that matter? The real conversation,
whether it was Pelosi, Obama, whatever with Biden, was you
(08:38):
don't step aside and the Bidens can't squeeze another dime
out of this town. That's how they got Joe Biden out.
That's what it came down to, good old fashioned, cold
heart cash laundered through book deals and speaking fees and
board seats and Hunter Biden stuff and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
This is that's how they play the game.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
To be independently wealthy because you can't get as much
financial pressure brought against you. Let me read this because
we were scheduled. Some of you will remember Lindsey Fifield,
who was one of the top accusers of Graham Platner
in the New York Times case, the story that came out.
She posted this earlier today. I understand why Democrat leaders
(09:25):
didn't take our story seriously when the Times reported them
in June, but are taking them seriously now. It was
by design. The line most shared from the piece was
the claim that the New York Times quote could not
corroborate my story despite talking to two of my friends.
I gave them the contact information for five friends. They
(09:47):
called the two who I clarified would not know about
the abuse, but would be able to affirm our relationship,
timeline events, etc. They didn't call the other three. I
also gave them the names of all my four from
my roommates who remembered him stalking our row house and
waiting for me to return. I gave them screenshots of
messages between these roommates and I discussing it. I gave
(10:10):
them names of other men I dated who might have
remembered him following us around and showing up on my
stoop after we walked home from dates to confront us.
I gave him emails to my landlord asking for to
be able to move. I told them during premarital counseling
I spoke about the abuse because I had to explain
why I reacted anytime he lost his temper the way
(10:31):
I did. They said, oh, no, we don't need to
bother him or my priest. Besides, I'd written about it
in my diary. As the weeks dragged on, I stopped
trying to give them evidence because the amount I had
already given them seemed to overwhelm them, and I thought
it meant they had more than enough to verify every
one of my claims. My friends might not have known
(10:52):
the details all of this. They said they couldn't corroborate.
This is interesting because they left Platner get the nomination,
and they had potentially the ability The New York Times
did to really take him down and keep him from
getting the nomination. He has all the cards now, Buck.
(11:13):
They can't force him directly, now you're right. They can
offer him cash, they can offer him inducements, they can
offer him all sorts of different aspects in order to
be able to drop out. But if he just says,
screw you, guys, I'm the nominee. If I were him,
I would actually go and use your example with Kamala
(11:35):
and Biden and say switching to Kamala didn't help us.
She lost every key state. You're trying to get me
to do what Joe Biden did. The difference is I
don't have dementia. I'm the selected member. I am not
going to drop down.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah. I think that's where we are.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
We'll seean It could be wrong, and there are these
stories out there, or rather rumors about other stories that
could hit and maybe at that point it becomes too much.
And at some level it may also be that a
person who has received so much opprobrium, has had so
many calumnies thrown in their direction, did they want to
(12:18):
shirk away? They just honestly can't handle the scrutiny anymore,
and so they step aside. I don't think that's this guy.
I don't think that's him, but I would somebody might
ask us Clay why Swallowell?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
We know why.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Democrats pushed him out because they were that was easy
the primary, so they could actually primary.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
They didn't want to have.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
A disaster where they actually had a guy that then
would be a possible liability in the general. So but
why would Swalwell step out? I think it was because
it was just so grotesque and embarrassing. He knew he
wasn't going to win at that point, so he dropped out.
The difference here is Plattner's got it, and here's the
other thing.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
What else does he have?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
This is why I told Jucamlo was gonna run some
of these people. Platner doesn't have kids, he doesn't seem
to have a life outside of politics that would make
him feel in any way fulfilled. This is it for him.
I wouldn't drop out. I'm gonna be honest with you,
I just wouldn't do it.
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. It has
been to be remarkable to see some of the walk
back from different members of the Democrats establishment, as well
as journalists, members of the press corps, etc.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Who all of a sudden are like, Oh.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
It turns out the Nazi tattoo guy were all kinds
of red flags in front of him.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
It turns out I.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Shouldn't have endorsed him, and I would now like to
rescind my endorsement of this guy. Let me just say
a big part of this, Clay, I think a big
subtext in all of this going on with this Senate
race and Maine is Democrats have a real problem with
see being like they can find a white guy from
(15:06):
the working class anywhere in the country to run for
office who seems like a normal guy, a bro if
you will, And this was the closest thing that they
could come up with, and so they were really putting
him in like this special category of Hey, we need more,
(15:27):
we need guys who wear trucker hats and not ironically
and live in Brooklyn, Like we need guys who actually
drive trucks, you know, we need something like that, and
I think that they kind of cast him, and then
they realized that they were stuck with him, and now
(15:48):
they're starting to feel like maybe.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
It wasn't worth the juice, wasn't worth the squeeze.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Well, I think what it represents is there are no
normal men in the Democrat Party. There are people like
James Talerico and Tim Walls who I would say are
on the effeminate masculine scale. They are more effeminate than
they are masculine. And then you've got guys like Graham
(16:15):
Platner who are psychotic and I mean again in that
New York Times story, and it was maybe the most
staggering part of the New York Times story last month,
Buck was he said if someone tried to rob him
that he would rape the robber, but not in a
(16:36):
gay way, just to establish dominance.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And the campaign admitted that he said it.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Have you ever heard a guy say ever, like even
in any way, like Hey, I'm gonna rape another guy,
but not in a gay way, just to establish dominant
Maybe they say that in prisons. I don't know, I've
never heard like they just can't find a normal dude, right,
They either go crazy borderline felon who's psychotic, or they
(17:10):
have super effeminate Tallarico's and Tim wallas Is. They can't
just have normal dudes.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
There is there is, in fact, a space in masculinity
between sociopath who should be in prison and has clear
issues and like jazz hands.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yes, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
There's like both where most guys are.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, there is a space there. You know, it's not
necessarily you're either Hannibal Lecter.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Or you are you know, Pee Wee Herman. Yeah, exactly.
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That's good.
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That gets it done.
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(19:00):
We got some callers, we'll get to you. We got
some great talkbacks as well. But I did want to
play this because everybody right now who is lining up
and claiming, oh, how could we have known anything about
Graham Platner, They all knew that this was out there,
and they even questioned Graham Platner about was there more
that might come out, including Buck's favorite television show, Mika
(19:25):
and Joe Scarborough on Morning Joe cut Tin, Sorry cut nine.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Can you?
Speaker 6 (19:37):
I got to tell you there is nothing out there
that is going to be will run counter to any
of the stories that I've talked about openly this entire campaign,
and I know everyone continues to be like oh, what
else is coming?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Okay, so you say there's nothing out there that it
could be concerning, and this may seem be a little
bit rich.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
I want to make this clear, there's nothing out there
that's actually concerning. People will make everything seem very concerning,
because that's one people in politics.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Oh, nothing out there very concerning except a few rape
allegations happened. So among us hasn't been accused of rape.
But this also ties in cut eight, we were talking
about the normal male universe, which is between jazz hands
and rape allegations. Here is Graham Platner saying that he
(20:34):
represents This is one month ago on NPR saying that
he represents healthy masculinity.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Cut eight.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
You represent masculinity in certain ways. The Democrats have trouble
connecting with male voters. Describe the masculinity that you represent.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
I think it's just a healthy form of it, which
is yeah, look, I mean I lift weights, I shoot gum.
My background is obviously in the military, I work outside.
Most of my hobbies are things that people tend to
associate with, like manly stuff. I guess at the exact
same time I go to therapy. I have a very
(21:13):
open sort of dialogue and emotional relationship with my wife.
I am. I work incredibly hard to put myself in
places where I share space with folks.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Okay, so this is exactly what I was saying a
few minutes ago, Clay, which is, this is why this
guy not only became their nominee, but was they were
so desperate to give him a pass even though basic
oppo research must have turned this because they'll do that
on their own side too, to know what they're working with.
That must have turned this stuff up very early on.
(21:48):
And yet it's because they do not have they This
is the demographic nationally and certainly in Maine as well,
specifically in Maine that Democrats are weakest with, which is
white guys who don't sit in a comfy, air conditioned office,
you know, nine ten hours a day, who shoot guns.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
I mean, he says, you know, lift weights.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
He's got kind of a handlebar mustache too, So I
guess that goes to is it a handlebar?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Is that what we would call it?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I think, right, yeah, in some form of mustache, And yeah,
that's they found this guy, and I think they realized,
like the Talla Rico thing, to.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Me is is just.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
More for comedy value now than a comedy value than
anything else. I mean, Texans, you got to show up.
You know, you never know all that applies. But the
guy is just absurd for the state of Texas. This guy.
If Democrats were casting who they wanted to be their
head fake.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Candidate in Maine, the party.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
That you know wants to trans the kids and have
the open borders and all this stuff, they actually want
to present themselves in Maine as as the Party of
Grand Platner still and that's why this whole thing has
turned into such a train wreck for them.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, and I also think it's a great example of
sometimes you know what you need, but you lack the
skills to find the person who has the knowledge that
you need.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Let me give you an example, Buck, I if.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
You told me, hey, Clay, you have to watch mechanics
in a car shop and you have to pick who
the best mechanic is. I don't have the skill to
know how to fix cars to be able to tell
you if I have five mechanics in front of me,
which of those mechanics is the best. My car's broken down.
(23:44):
I know that I need to get it fixed. I
don't have the skill set. When I'm getting talked to
about how to get my car fixed, I don't know
enough about cars to be able to.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Pick the best mechanic.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Democrats know that their party is broken with men, but
they so lack the ability to connect with normal men
that they can't actually pick someone who is the solution
to the problem that they know they have. Right, that's
how you get Tim Walls. Oh well he wears carhart.
Oh well he wears boots. Oh he was a former coach.
(24:18):
Remember they tried to introduce him as coach Walls, they
didn't even call him governor. He's just like Eric Taylor
on Friday Night Lights.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
We're gonna win football fans.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
And then people start watching him do the jazz hands
and the kicks and everything else, and they say, this
dude is not normal.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
He's not a normal guy. Same thing now with Platner,
same thing with Tall Rika.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And the issue is for guys who are the archetype
of what Platner was trying to represent and connect with.
What the heck would you have in common with the
Democrat Party of twenty twenty six and.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
What really you know? Because there are these things.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
There are people, for example, maybe they're in a they're
in like a machinist union or something, and they Okay,
there are exceptions, I get that. But if you look
at the run of the mill, white guy American voter,
what does he want to do with the Democrat Party
these days? How is the Democrat Party here here? Even
(25:20):
more so, how's the Democrat Party trying to cater to
his interests in any meaningful way when they let in
ten million plus illegals and four years of biding all
the affirmative action stuff, all the boss lady women's empowerment stuff.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
I mean, you go down this whole list.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Democrats have a plan of what they want to give
to everybody at some level, except white guys who work
outside sometimes and maybe lift weight, shoot guns and have
facial hair. I mean, that's the demographic that they don't have.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
There's the challenge that they've got buck building on where
they are right now. I think, not only have they
lost a lot of white guys, increasingly they are having
trouble speaking to Hispanic, Asian and black guys. The Democrat
Party has a colossal issue with men in general.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
This is why I think your theory back in the
day before he came out and said that he'd be
okay with his twelve year old kid or whatever it
was transing himself. Wes Moore was supposed to be the
normal guy. I think so far he has not, on
the national stage been able to answer questions because the
Democrat Party is so crazy that even a normal guy,
(26:44):
and I do think Wes Moore, as Democrats go.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
May be a normal guy.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Even a normal guy has to answer questions about Democrat
Party insanity, which makes him abnormal and disconnected from the
average mail. Because I gotta be honest with you, there
is not a single man listening to us right now,
and I don't even think wes Moore believed the answer
he gave. Who is asked what would you say if
(27:10):
your twelve year old son decided he wanted to be
a girl. I think every man listening to us right now,
most women, but certainly every man, would say, yeah, we're
not doing that. You're twelve. Let's go through puberty. When
you're over eighteen, you can make lifestyle choices that may
be different. No man is saying, hey, let's talk about
(27:31):
chopping your penis off. You're a girl, let's just chop
your penis off, let's pump you full of estrogen, like
Wes Moore doesn't even believe that. But Democrat Party orthodoxy
is so crazy on some of these issues that you're
having to have guys say I'm okay with a girl
with a boy competing in girl sports.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
But the barrier, even if you are a normal guy,
the barrier to what you have to say, is so
far disconnected from normal masculinity that they are just going
any ability to connect.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
The Democrat Party now basically has a litmus test for
exactly the things that you just laid out that eliminates.
The people who fail the test are run of the mill,
normal every day dude, American dudes. That's who they the
bros out there, that's who they have such a disconnect,
(28:24):
but they're aware of that. They know that, I mean
just because demographically the data shows it and it's a
threat to their power. But this is also letting them
to make decisions like this where all they want is authenticity,
and they are inherently inauthentic about it because you can't
(28:44):
really be Graham Plattner and be a Democrat as they
want him to be, right, I mean, there's no way
if you push this guy on some of these issues,
he's going to say the things that he would need
to say in order forms or MS now to be
happy with him and other oyster farmers to be happy
with him.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
There's going to be a problem there.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
This is such, This is such the cultural problem the
Democrats have and Buck, this is why Kamala Harris is
going to be the nominee in twenty twenty eight because
men are not showing up to vote in big numbers
in the Democrat primary.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
You know who is black women?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
And then she's going to show up when she's the nominee, Buck,
and she's going to try to pick another bland white guy,
and I think it'll be somebody like Andy Basheer.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
You know you know who's surging right now in your
favorite markets where the gambling occurs. Yes, a o C
is having a moment right now. I think it's because
Gavin Newsom's had a rough week.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
But AOC is increasingly talked about, not as a I've
always thought she was the vice president, you know, nominee.
I've always thought she was going to be the night Right.
But people we're saying now she could be top of
the ticket.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I don't think and I could be wrong on this,
but that makes sense to me because the AOC rise really,
to me, is partly about kneecapping Kamala Harris, because she
could have some of the same appeal to minority women
as Kamala Harris. You know, all of the criticisms that
we have about Kamala Harris, that she can't sit for
an interview, that she's an empty vessel. I actually think
(30:25):
AOC is a dumber version of Kamala. She's sophisticated on
social media, but in terms of being able to actually
answer complicated questions, I think AOC is not as intelligent
as Kamala.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
No I did I think I think. I think you're
way off on this one.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I think AOC has got about five IQ points on Kamala.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I think she's smarter than Comma. Whenever you think of Kamala,
she passed the bar. What has AOC ever done. She
was a bartender, and I know she went to BU
but she went to a rich school in Westchester. Tries
to pretend now that she's AOC from the Bronx. Kamala
passed a bar exam, she was an ag. She was
(31:09):
first she failed at first. It's true she failed at first.
Okay my argument, Yeah, I don't think. I don't think
AOC could pass a bar exam. I still think AOC
is smarter than I think I. I you know what,
I think this audience is with me.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I think they think AOC if you had like a
general knowledge test, or if you just did like a
straight up in depth IQ, I think AOC has more
cognitive ability than.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
This is a fun one. Let's put up a whole
question who is smarter AOC or Kamala. In the meantime,
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Speaker 4 (33:37):
That's all good stuff. I wanted to get to Zach
and Oklahoma.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Here.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
What's going on, Zach?
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Hey, guys, good to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
You too.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
So, yeah, I was told the call screener.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I've got a take on Charlie Kirk. I've killed over
three hundred big game animals with.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
A rifle, and I can tell you that bullets.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Can do some very strange things when they hit tissue
and bone. Yeah, yeah, they don't always got a thirty
out six will not always go through and through in
a deer, for example. So yeah, I mean, this is
the people are. But this is why I ask thank you, Zach.
Is that do you want to share that anything else?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I know that's it.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
No, Well, hey, I appreciate that, and you're somebody who
knows what he's talking about. But this is, you know, again,
kind to be respectful and invite different points of view
here for people who want to talk things out in
a civil fashion, whatever the topic may be. But if
you're going to question the expertise of the people that
are testifying about this in law enforcement. You want to
(34:40):
know something about what you're talking about, right, And the
notion that the that this the bullet itself is somehow
just positive, well it proves that this guy didn't do it,
is I just think there's that's frankly absurd. I just
think it's an absurd take. I've I've heard it a
lot from people, I've seen it a lot on online,
and it's if that is the objection to Tyler Robinson
(35:03):
did this, that that is not a rational objection, as
in a you know, that does not prove innocence or
even reasonable doubt.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I just would come back to hundreds of law enforcement
are involved in this investigation. Cash Ptel is personal friends
with Charlie Kirk. President Trump is personal friends with Charlie Kirk.
Jade Vance is personal friends with Charlie Kirk. Donald Trump
Junior personal friends with Charlie Kirk, his wife, and his
(35:37):
parents are all there for the trial. In order for
your conspiracy to be true, All of the people who
knew and loved Charlie Kirk the most are either being
lied to in hundreds of investigators are all lying for
what reason to try to frame someone to allow someone
(36:01):
else to go free, it doesn't add up.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Someone weighed in on something very important here, e Senna
from New Mexico hit it guys.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
So as far as who's smarter AOC or Kamala AOC,
and I use the Kardashian theory. The Kardashians. Everybody thinks
they're dumb, but they're really not. I mean, they didn't
do anything, and look how they're worth millions, right, same
thing with the AOC. She didn't go to law school
or anything, but somehow she figured out a way to
(36:31):
get into office.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I think that I think that the Kardashians are worth
more like a billion plus by the way, oh yeah,
not just millions.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, they're billionaires. But I think the brains behind much
of the Kardashian team is Chris Jenner, who actually I.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Do believe is Mark. The answer is Kamala. Sadly, we'll
be back tomorrow.
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