July 20, 2026 • 37 mins
In Hour 3, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton welcomed FCC Chairman Brendan Carr to discuss a major developing media industry story involving a federal judge’s temporary block of a proposed media merger after federal regulators had already signed off on the transaction. Carr examined the growing tension between federal regulatory authority and state-level antitrust challenges, raising concerns about states using litigation to revisit determinations already made by federal agencies. The conversation also explored reports that California officials had allegedly sought conditions involving CNN as part of discussions surrounding the merger dispute, sparking debate over whether political considerations were influencing antitrust enforcement.
The interview then turned to the future of the American media landscape, with Carr discussing the FCC’s review of the longstanding 39% national television ownership cap. He argued that the rule was created for a very different media environment and no longer reflects the reality of streaming services, direct-to-consumer platforms, YouTube TV, and other digital distribution channels. Carr contended that traditional local television broadcasters remain constrained by ownership limits while large national media companies can effectively reach audiences nationwide through streaming platforms. He suggested that reforming the ownership cap could strengthen local television stations, encourage investment in local journalism, and provide greater competition against dominant national content providers.
Another major topic in Hour 3 involved the intersection of NFL broadcasting rights, sports media, streaming services, and communications law. Carr discussed the FCC’s ongoing examination of whether the NFL’s longstanding antitrust exemption, which is tied to broadcast television access, remains consistent with an era in which games increasingly appear on platforms such as Amazon Prime Video and Netflix. The hosts and Carr debated whether major sporting events should remain widely available on free over-the-air television rather than being fragmented across multiple subscription streaming services. Carr argued that the NFL remains one of the few institutions capable of bringing large audiences together for a shared national experience and expressed concern that excessive reliance on streaming paywalls could undermine both consumer access and the principles underlying the league’s special legal treatment.
The conversation also addressed the FCC’s review of equal-time rules and broadcast news exemptions, particularly regarding ABC’s daytime talk show The View. Carr explained the legal framework surrounding “bona fide news” programming and discussed ongoing questions about whether certain broadcast programs qualify for exemptions from equal-time requirements. The hosts used the issue to explore broader concerns about political balance in media and guest selection practices on television programs.
Later in the interview, Carr discussed efforts by the FCC, telecommunications companies, and other federal agencies to combat robocalls, scam texts, telecommunications fraud, and international scam operations. He highlighted ongoing initiatives designed to block billions of spam communications, crack down on fraud originating overseas, and improve coordination between government regulators and technology providers. The discussion emphasized consumer protection and the continuing challenge posed by foreign-based scam networks.
After Carr’s appearance, the focus of Hour 3 shifted to media personality Sunny Hostin of The View. Clay and Buck examined Hostin’s public recounting of an incident involving her adult son and a police encounter in New York. The hosts argued that Hostin’s efforts to seek leniency for her son appeared inconsistent with her public commentary that “no one is above the law.” They criticized what they viewed as her reliance on personal status, educational credentials, professional background, and public profile while interacting with law enforcement. The discussion expanded into a broader debate about privilege, accountability, celebrity influence, and whether prominent figures receive treatment unavailable to ordinary Americans.
The final portion of Hour 3 featured listener reactions, continued commentary on Hostin and The View, and a broader conversation about public figures invoking their status when dealing with legal problems. Clay and Buck debated the role of parental advocacy, privilege, elite education, media influence, and public perceptio
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Back in Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We've talked about a ton of different stories already. Encourage
you to go download the podcast, make sure you don't
miss a moment, and also encourage you to go watch
on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
As many of you are doing.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We are joined now by the Chairman of the FCC,
Brendan Carr. We've got a bunch of stories to get
into with him. But right off the top, in the
last hour or so, news has come down that a
federal judge in California has blocked for two weeks at
(00:36):
least the merger between Paramount and Warner Brothers, a big
media conglomerate that the federal government has already signed off
on and said does not violate antitrust law. Do you
have any reaction to that story as it is coming down?
There are twelve different left wing I think it's fair
(00:59):
to say dem crack govern states that have sued to
block this on antitrust grounds under their respective state laws.
How would you analyze this story so far as you can?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, thanks arving me on.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I did see that.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I've not had a chance to read the opinion, but
I am on social media a lot on X so
I'm aware of it. And seeing some of the screenshots
of the order. What I do think is interesting is
two things. One, the judge has set a pretty aggressive
timeline in terms of when the next phase of this
will be a preliminary injunction hearing, So this is a
(01:34):
two week tro August third is going to be a
hearing on the preliminary injunction, so a lot of the
focus and the intention will shift to that. I do
think as a general matter, there's some concern here that
I have. For one, there is some reporting by reporters
at PUCK, for instance, that the Trade General of California
that started this case had floated, at least according to
(01:56):
PUCK reporting and people familiar with the AG bonds, that
he dropped the case if they would agree to spin
off the purchase of one cable channel, which was CNN.
And I'm not sure what theory of anti truss or
competition law is made or broken based on whether one
cable channel is included or not as part of this
broader deal. So that was a bit of a concerning
(02:19):
red light for me on that one. And we'll see
how the rest of this plays out, But there does
seem to be some politics playing in if that reporting
is right.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I was kind of stunned to see that as well.
And again, what you're referencing, the Attorney General of California said, Hey,
if somebody else were to buy CNN, I think you
referred to it as a news network, and they're reporting that,
there wouldn't be issues going forward that would raise significant
major questions about the validity of the lawsuit overall, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, I think's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I remember this was a deal that had to go
through federal review at DOJ.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
The FCC here has a small piece of it.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
We're looking at some of the money that's being used
for the investment here. We're running a process to review
the foreign dollars that were involved there. We haven't completed
our process here yet, but we should be able to
complete that in a relatively timely way. But again, as
a general matter, the way this works is you have
federal regulators, whether it's FCC or FTC or DOJ, that
(03:22):
take a look at the equities here. And now we're
in this new era where you have a lot of
these states that are going out there and they're spending
I presume presumably a tremendous amount of taxpayer dollars attempting
to second guest those federal determinations about antitrust and competition law.
I'm not sure that's going to be healthy in the
long run, given the investments that we need to see
(03:43):
across this economy.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Big story that is coming out recently, and I would
like for you to explain it to our audience in
a significant way if you could. There's a cap on
the national broadcast ownership that exists in our marketplace right
now that you are examining and challenging.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
What is that cap?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Why do you think it would be beneficial to consumers
if the cap were changed from what it is now.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
When it comes to the media ecosystem as a general matter,
particularly broadcasts, Again, broadcast is fundamentally different than any other
form of distributing news or content information. That's because you
have a license from the government, you're supposed to operate
in the public interest. And one of the things that's
happened over the last ten and fifteen years there's these
set of actors in the broadcast space on the TV
(04:33):
side known as national programmers. So this is Comcast, Disney,
Paramount Fox, and they have a massed a tremendous amount
of power, and they're effectively bowling over all these thousands
of individual TV stations that are supposed to be making
individualized decisions about what programming is in the public interest,
and we're getting just these national feeds all across the
(04:54):
country on TV.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
One reason why that is is we had this rule called.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
The thirty nine percent cap, that's any one entity from
owning so many TV stations that you could reach more
than thirty nine percent of the households. And the idea
was that supposed to constrain the power of the national
programs of Disney, of Comcasts, But it's not doing the
opposite of that because Comcasts and Busy no longer rely
on owning actual TV stations to control the message they're
(05:21):
putting out. They go direct to consumer now through their
own streaming apps, through YouTube, TV will call virtual cable,
and so they're no longer constrained to thirty nine percent
of the relevant markets SI they get one hundred percent.
But you have these owners of individual TV stations that
continue to be stuck at thirty nine percent. So the
idea is that by lifting that cap, you can open
(05:44):
up so that TV stations can scale which is a
good thing, one because they can invest in local news
and reporting, which is expensive. But two they can balance
out the power of the national programs, which again I
think it be can too dominant in the broadcast market.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Recently, Commissioner car Oh, sorry, Clike, I one more go Ford, No,
I was just gonna ask one more here, and then
Buck's gonna get dive into the view, which is something
that I'm the local expert on the view, Commissioner, but
we'll talk about that in a second.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I'm fascinated by the law recently that has gotten attention.
I testified about it, nineteen sixty one Broadcast Act exemption,
which allows the NFL to have that exemption but requires
that their games be on broadcast television. NFL says eighty
seven percent of their games are on broadcast television, but
(06:36):
they also have games on Netflix on several other different
streaming services. As I know you are well aware, Amazon.
Thursday Night Football, for instance, is on Amazon. Are you
examining that from an FCC perspective? Do you think the NFL,
based on the law, has one hundred percent obligation to
(06:56):
have its games on broadcast television? How would you that's
the legality there.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
We have started proceeding here where we've asked exactly those
questions and are getting feedback. You know, as a general matter,
our media environment right now is increasingly getting stove pipe
where you have bespoke individualized interest and channels, and it's
narrow and narrow audiences and people are slicing it dinner
and dinner sports and the NFL in particular is the
(07:24):
one exception to that rule. It has the capacity to
bring large audiences together, large number of people together, and
it's a shared experience, and we're sort of missing that,
I think in a lot of our sort of media
entertainment environment right now. And people used to really enjoy
they'd come home, they would flip on the TV. They
would know how to quickly find the big game. But
over the last couple of years that's gotten much more complicated.
(07:45):
You have to sign in for this app, you got
to get the free trial of this other one so
you can watch this one playoff game you want to watch.
And I think the NFL is in as bad as
some other sports leagues that's out there. But yeah, there's
been a creep and you certain certainly reach a tipping
point where I think you put so many games behind
paywalls and different streaming services that it not only becomes
(08:05):
terrible experience for the consumer, but you start pushing beyond
the boundaries of this anti trust exemption, which is about
giving folks an exemption as long as the programming was
still on what was called sponsored telecast, which I think
means over the air TV. So I do think there
is an obligation to be putting these things.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
For free over the year.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
And frank again, it's just great for the country to
just bring people together for a shared experience. May that
briefly for soccer, although I think now we're going to
go back to other sports in this country, but for
a little while, it was nice to bring people together
around that.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Missioner Carr appreciates you being with us as always and
also letting Clay just deep dive into the legal communications
in corporate world that he he this is one of
his areas of expertise. That it's not just sec football.
This guy likes. He's a renaissance man. He's got a
whole range of interest.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
He is an aspiring lawyer, I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Know, yeah, but in the.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Side of things that I'm interested in, right now are
on the side of things I'm interested in would be
The View and shows like The View, and there you know,
we ask and we offer equal time. Of course, sir,
you abide by the regulations, and we ask to have
Democrats on the show or offer them, and they generally
won't come on. I've almost never had anyone who would
(09:24):
be willing to come on from the Democrats side a
show like The View. They seem to think they are
exempt from equal time, are they.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Well, this is really interesting, So it's your point.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Congress many many decades ago, decided they didn't want media
gatekeepers to siding the outcomes of elections. They wanted individual
voters to make up their own minds, and so they
pass a law that said, if you're on broadcast and
you have one legally qualified candidate on, you have to
offer equal time to all others. They don't have to accept,
to your point, and it doesn't even have to be
on the same show. It's just the broadcast station has
(09:57):
to provide comparable time and placement. Now there's an exception
to that rule, which is for under the statute what
are called bonafide news programs. And so flash forward to
today and the View, which Disney ABC produces, is petitioning
the FCC to have us recognize or declared that the
View with Woopie Goldberg and co host is a bonafide
(10:20):
news program. We have an active proceeding right now underway
looking at that, and obviously I think there's a lot
of people out there that have raised a lot of concern.
I mean, the View can be fine, and there's lots
of different viewpoints that people can offer, but the narrow
question for us is going to be are they bonafide
news like Meet the Press or any one of those shows,
or they something else.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
You mentioned.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
And by the way, we have also offered to go
on the View if you need some evidence of their
refusal to book quote unquote conservative guest we actually wrote
and invited, and to Buck's point, we're actually commissioner making
chairman and actually significant decision where we're documenting all of
the different Democrat guests that we are inviting on the
(11:06):
program that are choosing not to come on, because I
do think that matters when you're saying, hey, we're going
to try to have as many different perspectives as possible
going forward. You mentioned something The World Cup brought a
lot of people together. Fox carried that primarily on the
Fox Broadcast network, which is governed by your agency, I believe,
(11:29):
to a large extent, and as a result, most people
could watch the World Cup for quote free on over
the air broadcast. There's a lot of discussion now, and
nobody knows who's going to get the twenty thirty or
twenty thirty four World Cup Netflix, Amazon, ESPN. A lot
of cable and or streamers will likely be bidding. In
(11:54):
your mind, does the World Cup in twenty thirty and
in twenty thirty four need to be available at least
to some extent on quote unquote free broadcast television.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
We look, it's a totally different cultural moment, cultural experience
to have things like this for free over the ear.
It brings so many more people together. It's the top
of conversation, whether it's social media or all the way
down because it's available to everybody.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Now.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
If I could make one change for the next World Cup,
if we can do with a little less of the
diving and the falling on the ground and claiming that
you need to get your leg amputat and then oh,
you know, magically you get up and run again for
another thirty minutes. I mean, it's better than it was
a couple of years ago. I'll give it that, But honestly,
it's just too much. I mean, grown men should not
(12:42):
be rolling around the ground unless they need a leg amputated.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
That is very, very funny, and Buck and I have
talked about it a great deal. Robocalls. You're also focused
on robo calls. Everybody now, now play's talking my language.
I robocalls pissed me off almost as much as people
talking during movies. But go ahead, by the way, not
just robocalls, but now text messages, which are constantly inundating
(13:07):
and flooding people. I think there's an exasperation with this
that's going on, even more so than I remember in
the past. What can we do to help reconcile that,
to help dial it back?
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, the good news is we're pouring a lot of
resources in this. In fact, just today I was at
an event with Secretary Investent at the Treasury Department. My
counterpart at the Federal Trade Commission, Chairman Ferguson, was there.
We brought together all of the CEOs of the main
telecom companies, social media companies, technology companies, and the reality
is that we are doing a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
There are billions and.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Billions literally newly of calls and texts that are getting blocked.
Of course, we need to do more. We're not raising
the mission accomplished flag. But that's what today was about.
And we're giving providers, telephone companies, others much more permission
to block calls, block texts before you ever see them
in the first place. And so we're working across the
minute to crack down on this. Again, we're seeing some progress.
(14:03):
I know there's still way too much that's out there,
but literally billions and billions of calls and texts are
now being blocked that weren't before, and we need to
just continue to expand that effort.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Is a lot of this, you know, I saw this, well,
you know, I'm realizing we're run out of time, but
real quick, I saw this Wall Street Journal piece on
Cambodia or they call now Scambodia. You might have seen
this Commissioner a few months back. Is a lot of
it really coming from places like that. So you're getting
a spam text here that's trying to do something, you know, induce.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
You to give up a password or whatever.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
And it's from foreign countries that are essentially acting like
they're beyond us law. Is that what's going on?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, a lot of.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
This is foreign originated. We're doing a couple things there.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
One, we're trying to encourage everyone to onshore their call
centers to this country. That'll help a little bit with
some of that issue. We're looking at other steps we
can take as well. For instance, in this country, we
have something called a trace back group that lets you
take a call back to the origin.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
They don't have that another country.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
So we need to look and push other countries to
mirror our trace back approach.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Yeah, for sure, Great commissioner, Thank you so much, mister
Carr for being here. Appreciate you, sir.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, good to se y'all.
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Speaker 5 (17:11):
Clay, did all of your communications lost? Statutory equal time
corporate merger insider speak? Did did you scratch that itch?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
And I think there is a lot of news that
will come out of Brendan's time with us, because all
of the things that we discussed, I believe are supremely
important and not discussed as much in the media as
they should be. But I appreciate him coming on and
I think we got a lot of important information out
there and we will continue to dive into all of
(17:48):
that as well as Sunny Hostin, we talked about the
view buck.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I got a funny, good sonny story, Sonny Hostin.
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Speaker 2 (19:04):
Encourage all of you to find us everywhere, whether it
is YouTube, whether it is the satellite radio channel, whether
it is our six hundred AMFM affiliates nationwide, or the
podcast network. We are trying to be everywhere for all
of you on a daily basis. Okay, Sunny Hostin, Sonny Hostin,
(19:27):
I believe we have we make sure that we have
these side by sides of Sonny Hostin complaining about the
fact that her son was in danger and no one
is above the law, and that it is important that
everybody be held to the same standard no matter what
their background is. And I want to make sure that
(19:49):
we have this. This is cut Where is it? Team
cut ten? Sonny Hostin, No one is above the law.
This was her going after Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Listen, you can't commit so many crimes and think that
you are above the law, even if you are the president.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So it really is a celebration of the law.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
It's a celebration of the law and how it applies
to all of us.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Okay, celebration of the law and how it applies to
all of us. Sonny Hostin on the view Donald Trump
is not above the law. We also can we team
I know we've played this before. Sonny Hostin talked about
how her son was in danger of being murdered by
police as a young black man. She talked all about that.
I assume it's the same son. She may have multiple sons.
(20:38):
So Sonny Hostin's son trespassed evidently out on a jog.
He was right alongside I believe, of train tracks in
a restricted area. Dangerous obviously in that location, and so
he was stopped by police who were very respectful, said hey,
(20:59):
you're t rest passing. He then got mom on the phone,
and the first thing she said was tell them, I'm
a federal prosecutor. By the way, she is not currently
a federal prosecutor, but Sonny Austin, willing to have her
son lie to police, also wanted everybody to know, Hey,
I'm on the view. I expect preferential treatment for my son.
(21:21):
By the way, did you know that he went to Harvard?
He's a Harvard graduate. Here is Sonny trying to get
her son out of trouble in New York City, cut eleven.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Off the case.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
A federal prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yes, Hey, mom, how are you?
Speaker 3 (21:37):
This is Officer Gomez. Your son's fine.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
This is.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Prosecutor.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
True.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
It's a Harvard graduate.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
He's not a criminal. He has no criminal record of
neary This a little kid that doesn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
He's a Harvard graduate and the Yale researcher. He teaches
geometry to Fox, I understand that.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Why would you put something on his record like this?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
No, no, it's can you give him a warning?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I cannot At this point I have to re I'm a.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Former federal prosecutor. Yeah, he knows.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
He's a Harvard grad who teaches fourth grade geometry.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
To me, Okay, okay, all right, all right.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
If you want to know Sonny hostin, that is her
talking with the police officer. She wants everybody to know.
She's a formal federal prosecutor. She works on the View,
her son is a Harvard grad. Multiple times, buck, you're
gonna defend Sonny hospital.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Excuse me, excuse me, sir, excuse me. Wait a minute, sir,
Wait a minute. Some people are saying, I I knew
Claire was gonna light me up over this. All I
said is we were preparing for this segment.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Was I thought it was gonna be a lot worse
because it's sunny hosted, like I, I thought that she
would be far more indignant and nasty and throwing her waiter.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
She didn't mention the view, I don't think, although I
think she did or she did. She did say I'm
a host on the View, Like, so a few things here.
First of all, I'm gonna take this piece by piece. Yes,
Clay is right, and he's having fun at my expense.
And I was like, it's not that bad, you know,
because you've seen who was that it was a famous clip.
I think it was a and some of you're gonna
(23:22):
know right off the top. I can't remember everything off
the top of my head, but there was a woman
who was in some kind of city council position in
New Jersey who was pulled over for speeding and she
basically told the cop like I will have your job
and like your toast and the whole you know what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Is ooh yeah, Well, there were a couple. There were
a couple of these. It was women who were One
of them was like pulled over for a dui and upset.
Another one was trying to get into a part of
the club that she wasn't allowed to get into.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
And that one was a famous one recently that I
saw was a she was an army doctor who got
really sassy with the police and you know, she ended
up getting in a bunch of train and basically saying
like she doesn't have to listen to them or whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
She's too important. So on a.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Scale of on the on the on the douchebag scale
of one to ten, ten being.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Who's who's the absolute where.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Like Gavin Newsom dining at French laundry during the lockdown,
Like I feel like that's peak douche right, Like that's
you shut down the whole state. But you go to
the fanciest restaurant in America with all your friends with
no masks on, Like that's kind.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Of peak douche. This was like a seven. This was
not a ten.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
And let me let me explain, like before you you
hit me with your rejoinder. First of all, the cops
I thought were super respectful and professional, and I agree
they always like to point that out right. The cops
were like, look, they were only giving a a citation essentially,
like he has to appear, but it's not any it's
not a criminal thing. They already took it down. He
was walking on train tracks, like you know, I'm glad
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they only gave him a site. This it's not Yes,
it's dangerous, but you know, a warning in this situation
I think would not be completely It's not like a
dui or something. And I thought that she was. She
it's weird that he calls his mom, like, calls mommy.
This is the biggest like demerit for me is he
calls mommy to come bail him out of this, which
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is a weird, a weird mo. Yeah, he's twenty four,
you're an adult. Why are you calling mommy? To show
up to help you, you know, go home to mommy.
Remember Trump with that at the UH at the event anyway, But.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I thought that she wasn't that bad. You thought she was.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
She she threw Harvard around and I'm a former federal
prosecutor around a lot, and the cops clearly don't care.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
And good for them, by the way, for being like, yeah, whatever,
But she wasn't that Was she that bad? I mean,
would you agree she was a seven on the scale?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Well, so, I think it has to be held in
the context of her saying no one is above the law.
She clearly believes that her son, who went to Harvard,
which she mentioned over and over and over again, is
in fact above the law because he went to Harvard.
And also she really there, she's walking on the train
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tracks over and over again. She referenced the fact that
initially she said, tell them that I'm a federal prosecutor,
which was a lot.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
She corrected that form she corrected. She then said, I
really do sound like her lawyer. Now maybe I'm just
trying to get on the view play. I'm trying to
get us on the view and this is all part
of my experience.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Masterplan here is my thing.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
If you attempt to play the I have an asset,
high level degree, high income, successful job, in order to
get your kid out of trouble, your kid, who is
twenty four years old and is a grown adult. You,
in my opinion, are arguing in some way that you
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are above the law, because if the average twenty four
year old kid did what her son did, he would
not have that opportunity. You said, I think it's weird
that he called her. I think that sonny and probably
told her son, which I don't have a problem with,
but she tell I would almost guarantee you that she
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told him, if you ever have any issues with law
enforcement at all, get me on the phone as fast
as you can, because I am a lawyer and I
want to make sure that you are taken care of.
She is a super privileged individual, and she used every
element of her privilege to try to limit what the
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consequences were for her son for violating the law. If
she had gone on the airbuck and said, I'm gonna
be honest with y'all, I'm gonna use every opportunity I
have to try to get the best result for my
kids in the event that they ever have.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
An issue with the law. That's what most parents would do.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I would just say, Okay, maybe not the best thing
for overall fair justice, but this is what parents do,
this is what grandparents do.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
They try to get the best result for their kids.
But she lectured all of a that no one was
above the law, and then she immediately played the Harvard card,
the former prosecutor card, the fact that she's on the View,
she used her privilege to try to limit the consequences
for her kid, which is exactly what she lectured all
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of us. Trump shouldn't be able to do all.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Right, objection, objection, your honor. She's operating fully. I cannot
believe you. I knew you were gonna do this. You've
totally cornered me into being Sonny Houstin's lead counsel today
on the program. I'm just going to get ripped in
all the comments. Whatever, it's fine. I'm usually the one
that says she's the meanest and dumbest on the View,
just to be clear, but in this case, I actually
thought she was. She she didn't say, you know, I'm
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gonna complain to your supervisor. I'm gonna use like there
were a whole bunch of ways she could have escalated
this in a way that I think would have been
a poor reflection on her. Now, she probably is smart
enough to know the body cameras are running and this
was gonna cut out right. I think she is smart
enough to know that. So that is a part of this,
to be clear. I think if there weren't body cams running,
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would have been a very different comrade.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Body camera ended BLM. I think you said it basically,
BLM is over because of body cameras.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Wait, wait, hold on, wait.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
My point though about this was that she she was,
you know, advocating for a warning instead of a citation,
So she's looking for a lesser punishment. She's not saying
that he's allowed to walk on the train, so that
would be above the law. He's allowed to walk on
the train tracks because he went to Harvard and I'm
fancy and important. She was advocating to the officers. Now,
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the officer was already doing her a solid by not
giving a criminal trespass misdemeanor. And so I think the officers,
by the way, you know, a plus and they did
everything totally brightened by the book here. But she was saying,
can you give him a warning instead of the citation.
I mean, Clay, we're basically talking about jaywalking here, my
fad big speech about above the law.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
This is a pretty minor.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
But again, if she had just come out and said
what is true, which is people with abilities to get
their kids more favorable treatment than they otherwise would have
are one hundred percent going to do everything they could.
Let me give you an example. I bet Sonny Hostin
pulled every string in her power to get her son
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into Harvard. And I wouldn't care about that at all,
except she argued, can we get that clip for tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
She argued that.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Her son was likely to be killed by law enforcement,
And you don't know the difficulties that young black men
have in America. And then young black man violates the law,
relatively minor violation, but she immediately shows up and uses
all of the privilege. Everyone listening to us right now,
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ninety nine point nine percent of them, Sonny Hostin's son
has more advantages than your kid or your grandkids. You're
thinking about pulling every clay she didn't. They the black
son of a black celebrity, and I believe a black
doctor in New York City he's getting into Harvard.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
You know, this is not this is not a hard thing.
I'm saying that I don't think she had to do much.
I think that she was bet that his essay.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I bet that his essay talked about the struggles that
his mom has come over as the host of the
view my mom is on TV my like making it
impossible for the admissions committee to.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Not know Clay he would sail into Harvard with eleven
hundred on the SAT. This is not this was not
a tough putt.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
But then but then my point on it is she's
playing the he's so disadvantage card. He actually gets way
more advantages than ninety nine point nine percent of his
people in the country, regardless of their background. And then
he's got rich mommy showing up at twenty four years
old to be his personal lawyer with the police.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
I feel like the public defender who took an impossible
case on this one and just got like my butt kicked,
so we can move on to something else, You get it.
I'm just I just didn't think it was that bad.
I didn't think sy awktin about give.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Of your standard for Sonny Hostin's behavior is so low
that if she didn't throw a complete FIA.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Because I saw the headlines. If people look Sonny Hostin
being so bad and then I saw it, I was.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Like, it wasn't that bad.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
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Speaker 1 (33:34):
Uh, I just had so much fun with this story.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
We got a couple of other stories that that we
are going to dive into here. Team, let me know
if we have some funny talkbacks that we need to
get to. But I do think that can I.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
Just can I just here we can skip over all
the talk talkbacks where I'm getting suplex for being too
nice to Sonny Hostin. Okay, because we're gonna get a
lot of those I.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Call like I see him.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I just I love that Sonny Hostin's expected behavior is
so bad that if she just didn't throw an unbelievable
fit that that would not classify or qualify as her
surprising me with her bed.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
I mean, I would expect Do you remember there was
a while ago there was a CNN International correspondent who
was like found by security somewhere at some embassy in
like a drunken rage, and she just started shouting at
them like.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Do you know who I am? Like that's sonny host level.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Here's a good question. Has anyone ever said do you
know who I am? And it helped them in the
interaction in which they were involved?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
If you have to say it, the answer is it's
not important enough for anyone to care.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I'm trying to think of any time when it could
be played in and actually be affective.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Can I just say this is this is what I
get just for trying to be honest VIP email from
Edgar Fuck are you kidding? Your position is shameful? You
need help or join the part.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I didn't say it was good. I just said it
wasn't that bad. But you know fine?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Oh man, Dan is so that's funny. Dan is really serious.
Trespassing is a very serious offense. Ask the January sixth
people that were charged with it. Oh, now you're getting
Now you're getting January sixth, the emails here. I will
say again, if she just said what is true? Parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles,
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people try to advocate for their kids and their grandkids,
and their nieces and their nephews, cousins. Everybody friends family
as much as they can.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
If she had just.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Said that, instead of playing the I'm always a victim card.
Then when she came out and tried to use all
of the incredible privileges that she has to exonerate her
son from some relative simply minor wrongdoing, I'm.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Just might be inclined to give her a little bit
more of a past.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Well, I maybe am just going to be the one
who gets the last laugh here when I am sitting
betwixt Joy Behar, Sonny Houstin, perhaps even the one and only,
uh WHOOPI Goldberg, And they'll say where's Clay, and Sonny
will say, well, Buck was nice that one time, whereas Clay. Wow,
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We're getting like eight hundred word emails of rage at
my position on this.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I I seven out of ten. I didn't say it
wasn't bad. I just said it wasn't that bad. Said
it's fun here.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I do think he's coming, because I'm gonna have fun
with him tomorrow. I will say, I do think you're
right about the way she behaved. Cameras changed the dynamic
in a way that made it better. She's still awful,
but better than maybe you expect it.
Back in Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We've talked about a ton of different stories already. Encourage
you to go download the podcast, make sure you don't
miss a moment, and also encourage you to go watch
on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
As many of you are doing.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We are joined now by the Chairman of the FCC,
Brendan Carr. We've got a bunch of stories to get
into with him. But right off the top, in the
last hour or so, news has come down that a
federal judge in California has blocked for two weeks at
(00:36):
least the merger between Paramount and Warner Brothers, a big
media conglomerate that the federal government has already signed off
on and said does not violate antitrust law. Do you
have any reaction to that story as it is coming down?
There are twelve different left wing I think it's fair
(00:59):
to say dem crack govern states that have sued to
block this on antitrust grounds under their respective state laws.
How would you analyze this story so far as you can?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, thanks arving me on.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I did see that.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I've not had a chance to read the opinion, but
I am on social media a lot on X so
I'm aware of it. And seeing some of the screenshots
of the order. What I do think is interesting is
two things. One, the judge has set a pretty aggressive
timeline in terms of when the next phase of this
will be a preliminary injunction hearing, So this is a
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two week tro August third is going to be a
hearing on the preliminary injunction, so a lot of the
focus and the intention will shift to that. I do
think as a general matter, there's some concern here that
I have. For one, there is some reporting by reporters
at PUCK, for instance, that the Trade General of California
that started this case had floated, at least according to
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PUCK reporting and people familiar with the AG bonds, that
he dropped the case if they would agree to spin
off the purchase of one cable channel, which was CNN.
And I'm not sure what theory of anti truss or
competition law is made or broken based on whether one
cable channel is included or not as part of this
broader deal. So that was a bit of a concerning
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red light for me on that one. And we'll see
how the rest of this plays out, But there does
seem to be some politics playing in if that reporting
is right.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I was kind of stunned to see that as well.
And again, what you're referencing, the Attorney General of California said, Hey,
if somebody else were to buy CNN, I think you
referred to it as a news network, and they're reporting that,
there wouldn't be issues going forward that would raise significant
major questions about the validity of the lawsuit overall, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, I think's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I remember this was a deal that had to go
through federal review at DOJ.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
The FCC here has a small piece of it.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
We're looking at some of the money that's being used
for the investment here. We're running a process to review
the foreign dollars that were involved there. We haven't completed
our process here yet, but we should be able to
complete that in a relatively timely way. But again, as
a general matter, the way this works is you have
federal regulators, whether it's FCC or FTC or DOJ, that
(03:22):
take a look at the equities here. And now we're
in this new era where you have a lot of
these states that are going out there and they're spending
I presume presumably a tremendous amount of taxpayer dollars attempting
to second guest those federal determinations about antitrust and competition law.
I'm not sure that's going to be healthy in the
long run, given the investments that we need to see
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across this economy.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Big story that is coming out recently, and I would
like for you to explain it to our audience in
a significant way if you could. There's a cap on
the national broadcast ownership that exists in our marketplace right
now that you are examining and challenging.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
What is that cap?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Why do you think it would be beneficial to consumers
if the cap were changed from what it is now.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
When it comes to the media ecosystem as a general matter,
particularly broadcasts, Again, broadcast is fundamentally different than any other
form of distributing news or content information. That's because you
have a license from the government, you're supposed to operate
in the public interest. And one of the things that's
happened over the last ten and fifteen years there's these
set of actors in the broadcast space on the TV
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side known as national programmers. So this is Comcast, Disney,
Paramount Fox, and they have a massed a tremendous amount
of power, and they're effectively bowling over all these thousands
of individual TV stations that are supposed to be making
individualized decisions about what programming is in the public interest,
and we're getting just these national feeds all across the
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country on TV.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
One reason why that is is we had this rule called.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
The thirty nine percent cap, that's any one entity from
owning so many TV stations that you could reach more
than thirty nine percent of the households. And the idea
was that supposed to constrain the power of the national
programs of Disney, of Comcasts, But it's not doing the
opposite of that because Comcasts and Busy no longer rely
on owning actual TV stations to control the message they're
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putting out. They go direct to consumer now through their
own streaming apps, through YouTube, TV will call virtual cable,
and so they're no longer constrained to thirty nine percent
of the relevant markets SI they get one hundred percent.
But you have these owners of individual TV stations that
continue to be stuck at thirty nine percent. So the
idea is that by lifting that cap, you can open
(05:44):
up so that TV stations can scale which is a
good thing, one because they can invest in local news
and reporting, which is expensive. But two they can balance
out the power of the national programs, which again I
think it be can too dominant in the broadcast market.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Recently, Commissioner car Oh, sorry, Clike, I one more go Ford, No,
I was just gonna ask one more here, and then
Buck's gonna get dive into the view, which is something
that I'm the local expert on the view, Commissioner, but
we'll talk about that in a second.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I'm fascinated by the law recently that has gotten attention.
I testified about it, nineteen sixty one Broadcast Act exemption,
which allows the NFL to have that exemption but requires
that their games be on broadcast television. NFL says eighty
seven percent of their games are on broadcast television, but
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they also have games on Netflix on several other different
streaming services. As I know you are well aware, Amazon.
Thursday Night Football, for instance, is on Amazon. Are you
examining that from an FCC perspective? Do you think the NFL,
based on the law, has one hundred percent obligation to
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have its games on broadcast television? How would you that's
the legality there.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
We have started proceeding here where we've asked exactly those
questions and are getting feedback. You know, as a general matter,
our media environment right now is increasingly getting stove pipe
where you have bespoke individualized interest and channels, and it's
narrow and narrow audiences and people are slicing it dinner
and dinner sports and the NFL in particular is the
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one exception to that rule. It has the capacity to
bring large audiences together, large number of people together, and
it's a shared experience, and we're sort of missing that,
I think in a lot of our sort of media
entertainment environment right now. And people used to really enjoy
they'd come home, they would flip on the TV. They
would know how to quickly find the big game. But
over the last couple of years that's gotten much more complicated.
(07:45):
You have to sign in for this app, you got
to get the free trial of this other one so
you can watch this one playoff game you want to watch.
And I think the NFL is in as bad as
some other sports leagues that's out there. But yeah, there's
been a creep and you certain certainly reach a tipping
point where I think you put so many games behind
paywalls and different streaming services that it not only becomes
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terrible experience for the consumer, but you start pushing beyond
the boundaries of this anti trust exemption, which is about
giving folks an exemption as long as the programming was
still on what was called sponsored telecast, which I think
means over the air TV. So I do think there
is an obligation to be putting these things.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
For free over the year.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
And frank again, it's just great for the country to
just bring people together for a shared experience. May that
briefly for soccer, although I think now we're going to
go back to other sports in this country, but for
a little while, it was nice to bring people together
around that.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Missioner Carr appreciates you being with us as always and
also letting Clay just deep dive into the legal communications
in corporate world that he he this is one of
his areas of expertise. That it's not just sec football.
This guy likes. He's a renaissance man. He's got a
whole range of interest.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
He is an aspiring lawyer, I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Know, yeah, but in the.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Side of things that I'm interested in, right now are
on the side of things I'm interested in would be
The View and shows like The View, and there you know,
we ask and we offer equal time. Of course, sir,
you abide by the regulations, and we ask to have
Democrats on the show or offer them, and they generally
won't come on. I've almost never had anyone who would
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be willing to come on from the Democrats side a
show like The View. They seem to think they are
exempt from equal time, are they.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Well, this is really interesting, So it's your point.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Congress many many decades ago, decided they didn't want media
gatekeepers to siding the outcomes of elections. They wanted individual
voters to make up their own minds, and so they
pass a law that said, if you're on broadcast and
you have one legally qualified candidate on, you have to
offer equal time to all others. They don't have to accept,
to your point, and it doesn't even have to be
on the same show. It's just the broadcast station has
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to provide comparable time and placement. Now there's an exception
to that rule, which is for under the statute what
are called bonafide news programs. And so flash forward to
today and the View, which Disney ABC produces, is petitioning
the FCC to have us recognize or declared that the
View with Woopie Goldberg and co host is a bonafide
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news program. We have an active proceeding right now underway
looking at that, and obviously I think there's a lot
of people out there that have raised a lot of concern.
I mean, the View can be fine, and there's lots
of different viewpoints that people can offer, but the narrow
question for us is going to be are they bonafide
news like Meet the Press or any one of those shows,
or they something else.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
You mentioned.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
And by the way, we have also offered to go
on the View if you need some evidence of their
refusal to book quote unquote conservative guest we actually wrote
and invited, and to Buck's point, we're actually commissioner making
chairman and actually significant decision where we're documenting all of
the different Democrat guests that we are inviting on the
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program that are choosing not to come on, because I
do think that matters when you're saying, hey, we're going
to try to have as many different perspectives as possible
going forward. You mentioned something The World Cup brought a
lot of people together. Fox carried that primarily on the
Fox Broadcast network, which is governed by your agency, I believe,
(11:29):
to a large extent, and as a result, most people
could watch the World Cup for quote free on over
the air broadcast. There's a lot of discussion now, and
nobody knows who's going to get the twenty thirty or
twenty thirty four World Cup Netflix, Amazon, ESPN. A lot
of cable and or streamers will likely be bidding. In
(11:54):
your mind, does the World Cup in twenty thirty and
in twenty thirty four need to be available at least
to some extent on quote unquote free broadcast television.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
We look, it's a totally different cultural moment, cultural experience
to have things like this for free over the ear.
It brings so many more people together. It's the top
of conversation, whether it's social media or all the way
down because it's available to everybody.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Now.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
If I could make one change for the next World Cup,
if we can do with a little less of the
diving and the falling on the ground and claiming that
you need to get your leg amputat and then oh,
you know, magically you get up and run again for
another thirty minutes. I mean, it's better than it was
a couple of years ago. I'll give it that, But honestly,
it's just too much. I mean, grown men should not
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be rolling around the ground unless they need a leg amputated.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
That is very, very funny, and Buck and I have
talked about it a great deal. Robocalls. You're also focused
on robo calls. Everybody now, now play's talking my language.
I robocalls pissed me off almost as much as people
talking during movies. But go ahead, by the way, not
just robocalls, but now text messages, which are constantly inundating
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and flooding people. I think there's an exasperation with this
that's going on, even more so than I remember in
the past. What can we do to help reconcile that,
to help dial it back?
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, the good news is we're pouring a lot of
resources in this. In fact, just today I was at
an event with Secretary Investent at the Treasury Department. My
counterpart at the Federal Trade Commission, Chairman Ferguson, was there.
We brought together all of the CEOs of the main
telecom companies, social media companies, technology companies, and the reality
is that we are doing a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
There are billions and.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Billions literally newly of calls and texts that are getting blocked.
Of course, we need to do more. We're not raising
the mission accomplished flag. But that's what today was about.
And we're giving providers, telephone companies, others much more permission
to block calls, block texts before you ever see them
in the first place. And so we're working across the
minute to crack down on this. Again, we're seeing some progress.
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I know there's still way too much that's out there,
but literally billions and billions of calls and texts are
now being blocked that weren't before, and we need to
just continue to expand that effort.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Is a lot of this, you know, I saw this, well,
you know, I'm realizing we're run out of time, but
real quick, I saw this Wall Street Journal piece on
Cambodia or they call now Scambodia. You might have seen
this Commissioner a few months back. Is a lot of
it really coming from places like that. So you're getting
a spam text here that's trying to do something, you know, induce.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
You to give up a password or whatever.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
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And I think there is a lot of news that
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of the things that we discussed, I believe are supremely
important and not discussed as much in the media as
they should be. But I appreciate him coming on and
I think we got a lot of important information out
there and we will continue to dive into all of
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that as well as Sunny Hostin, we talked about the
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Encourage all of you to find us everywhere, whether it
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(19:27):
I believe we have we make sure that we have
these side by sides of Sonny Hostin complaining about the
fact that her son was in danger and no one
is above the law, and that it is important that
everybody be held to the same standard no matter what
their background is. And I want to make sure that
(19:49):
we have this. This is cut Where is it? Team
cut ten? Sonny Hostin, No one is above the law.
This was her going after Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Listen, you can't commit so many crimes and think that
you are above the law, even if you are the president.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So it really is a celebration of the law.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
It's a celebration of the law and how it applies
to all of us.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Okay, celebration of the law and how it applies to
all of us. Sonny Hostin on the view Donald Trump
is not above the law. We also can we team
I know we've played this before. Sonny Hostin talked about
how her son was in danger of being murdered by
police as a young black man. She talked all about that.
I assume it's the same son. She may have multiple sons.
(20:38):
So Sonny Hostin's son trespassed evidently out on a jog.
He was right alongside I believe, of train tracks in
a restricted area. Dangerous obviously in that location, and so
he was stopped by police who were very respectful, said hey,
(20:59):
you're t rest passing. He then got mom on the phone,
and the first thing she said was tell them, I'm
a federal prosecutor. By the way, she is not currently
a federal prosecutor, but Sonny Austin, willing to have her
son lie to police, also wanted everybody to know, Hey,
I'm on the view. I expect preferential treatment for my son.
(21:21):
By the way, did you know that he went to Harvard?
He's a Harvard graduate. Here is Sonny trying to get
her son out of trouble in New York City, cut eleven.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Off the case.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
A federal prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yes, Hey, mom, how are you?
Speaker 3 (21:37):
This is Officer Gomez. Your son's fine.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
This is.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Prosecutor.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
True.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
It's a Harvard graduate.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
He's not a criminal. He has no criminal record of
neary This a little kid that doesn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
He's a Harvard graduate and the Yale researcher. He teaches
geometry to Fox, I understand that.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Why would you put something on his record like this?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
No, no, it's can you give him a warning?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I cannot At this point I have to re I'm a.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Former federal prosecutor. Yeah, he knows.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
He's a Harvard grad who teaches fourth grade geometry.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
To me, Okay, okay, all right, all right.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
If you want to know Sonny hostin, that is her
talking with the police officer. She wants everybody to know.
She's a formal federal prosecutor. She works on the View,
her son is a Harvard grad. Multiple times, buck, you're
gonna defend Sonny hospital.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Excuse me, excuse me, sir, excuse me. Wait a minute, sir,
Wait a minute. Some people are saying, I I knew
Claire was gonna light me up over this. All I
said is we were preparing for this segment.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Was I thought it was gonna be a lot worse
because it's sunny hosted, like I, I thought that she
would be far more indignant and nasty and throwing her waiter.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
She didn't mention the view, I don't think, although I
think she did or she did. She did say I'm
a host on the View, Like, so a few things here.
First of all, I'm gonna take this piece by piece. Yes,
Clay is right, and he's having fun at my expense.
And I was like, it's not that bad, you know,
because you've seen who was that it was a famous clip.
I think it was a and some of you're gonna
(23:22):
know right off the top. I can't remember everything off
the top of my head, but there was a woman
who was in some kind of city council position in
New Jersey who was pulled over for speeding and she
basically told the cop like I will have your job
and like your toast and the whole you know what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Is ooh yeah, Well, there were a couple. There were
a couple of these. It was women who were One
of them was like pulled over for a dui and upset.
Another one was trying to get into a part of
the club that she wasn't allowed to get into.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
And that one was a famous one recently that I
saw was a she was an army doctor who got
really sassy with the police and you know, she ended
up getting in a bunch of train and basically saying
like she doesn't have to listen to them or whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
She's too important. So on a.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Scale of on the on the on the douchebag scale
of one to ten, ten being.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Who's who's the absolute where.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Like Gavin Newsom dining at French laundry during the lockdown,
Like I feel like that's peak douche right, Like that's
you shut down the whole state. But you go to
the fanciest restaurant in America with all your friends with
no masks on, Like that's kind.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Of peak douche. This was like a seven. This was
not a ten.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
And let me let me explain, like before you you
hit me with your rejoinder. First of all, the cops
I thought were super respectful and professional, and I agree
they always like to point that out right. The cops
were like, look, they were only giving a a citation essentially,
like he has to appear, but it's not any it's
not a criminal thing. They already took it down. He
was walking on train tracks, like you know, I'm glad
(24:50):
they only gave him a site. This it's not Yes,
it's dangerous, but you know, a warning in this situation
I think would not be completely It's not like a
dui or something. And I thought that she was. She
it's weird that he calls his mom, like, calls mommy.
This is the biggest like demerit for me is he
calls mommy to come bail him out of this, which
(25:11):
is a weird, a weird mo. Yeah, he's twenty four,
you're an adult. Why are you calling mommy? To show
up to help you, you know, go home to mommy.
Remember Trump with that at the UH at the event anyway, But.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I thought that she wasn't that bad. You thought she was.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
She she threw Harvard around and I'm a former federal
prosecutor around a lot, and the cops clearly don't care.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
And good for them, by the way, for being like, yeah, whatever,
But she wasn't that Was she that bad? I mean,
would you agree she was a seven on the scale?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Well, so, I think it has to be held in
the context of her saying no one is above the law.
She clearly believes that her son, who went to Harvard,
which she mentioned over and over and over again, is
in fact above the law because he went to Harvard.
And also she really there, she's walking on the train
(26:01):
tracks over and over again. She referenced the fact that
initially she said, tell them that I'm a federal prosecutor,
which was a lot.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
She corrected that form she corrected. She then said, I
really do sound like her lawyer. Now maybe I'm just
trying to get on the view play. I'm trying to
get us on the view and this is all part
of my experience.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Masterplan here is my thing.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
If you attempt to play the I have an asset,
high level degree, high income, successful job, in order to
get your kid out of trouble, your kid, who is
twenty four years old and is a grown adult. You,
in my opinion, are arguing in some way that you
(26:46):
are above the law, because if the average twenty four
year old kid did what her son did, he would
not have that opportunity. You said, I think it's weird
that he called her. I think that sonny and probably
told her son, which I don't have a problem with,
but she tell I would almost guarantee you that she
(27:07):
told him, if you ever have any issues with law
enforcement at all, get me on the phone as fast
as you can, because I am a lawyer and I
want to make sure that you are taken care of.
She is a super privileged individual, and she used every
element of her privilege to try to limit what the
(27:29):
consequences were for her son for violating the law. If
she had gone on the airbuck and said, I'm gonna
be honest with y'all, I'm gonna use every opportunity I
have to try to get the best result for my
kids in the event that they ever have.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
An issue with the law. That's what most parents would do.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I would just say, Okay, maybe not the best thing
for overall fair justice, but this is what parents do,
this is what grandparents do.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
They try to get the best result for their kids.
But she lectured all of a that no one was
above the law, and then she immediately played the Harvard card,
the former prosecutor card, the fact that she's on the View,
she used her privilege to try to limit the consequences
for her kid, which is exactly what she lectured all
(28:15):
of us. Trump shouldn't be able to do all.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Right, objection, objection, your honor. She's operating fully. I cannot
believe you. I knew you were gonna do this. You've
totally cornered me into being Sonny Houstin's lead counsel today
on the program. I'm just going to get ripped in
all the comments. Whatever, it's fine. I'm usually the one
that says she's the meanest and dumbest on the View,
just to be clear, but in this case, I actually
thought she was. She she didn't say, you know, I'm
(28:39):
gonna complain to your supervisor. I'm gonna use like there
were a whole bunch of ways she could have escalated
this in a way that I think would have been
a poor reflection on her. Now, she probably is smart
enough to know the body cameras are running and this
was gonna cut out right. I think she is smart
enough to know that. So that is a part of this,
to be clear. I think if there weren't body cams running,
(29:00):
would have been a very different comrade.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Body camera ended BLM. I think you said it basically,
BLM is over because of body cameras.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Wait, wait, hold on, wait.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
My point though about this was that she she was,
you know, advocating for a warning instead of a citation,
So she's looking for a lesser punishment. She's not saying
that he's allowed to walk on the train, so that
would be above the law. He's allowed to walk on
the train tracks because he went to Harvard and I'm
fancy and important. She was advocating to the officers. Now,
(29:33):
the officer was already doing her a solid by not
giving a criminal trespass misdemeanor. And so I think the officers,
by the way, you know, a plus and they did
everything totally brightened by the book here. But she was saying,
can you give him a warning instead of the citation.
I mean, Clay, we're basically talking about jaywalking here, my
fad big speech about above the law.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
This is a pretty minor.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
But again, if she had just come out and said
what is true, which is people with abilities to get
their kids more favorable treatment than they otherwise would have
are one hundred percent going to do everything they could.
Let me give you an example. I bet Sonny Hostin
pulled every string in her power to get her son
(30:16):
into Harvard. And I wouldn't care about that at all,
except she argued, can we get that clip for tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
She argued that.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Her son was likely to be killed by law enforcement,
And you don't know the difficulties that young black men
have in America. And then young black man violates the law,
relatively minor violation, but she immediately shows up and uses
all of the privilege. Everyone listening to us right now,
(30:44):
ninety nine point nine percent of them, Sonny Hostin's son
has more advantages than your kid or your grandkids. You're
thinking about pulling every clay she didn't. They the black
son of a black celebrity, and I believe a black
doctor in New York City he's getting into Harvard.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
You know, this is not this is not a hard thing.
I'm saying that I don't think she had to do much.
I think that she was bet that his essay.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I bet that his essay talked about the struggles that
his mom has come over as the host of the
view my mom is on TV my like making it
impossible for the admissions committee to.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Not know Clay he would sail into Harvard with eleven
hundred on the SAT. This is not this was not
a tough putt.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
But then but then my point on it is she's
playing the he's so disadvantage card. He actually gets way
more advantages than ninety nine point nine percent of his
people in the country, regardless of their background. And then
he's got rich mommy showing up at twenty four years
old to be his personal lawyer with the police.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
I feel like the public defender who took an impossible
case on this one and just got like my butt kicked,
so we can move on to something else, You get it.
I'm just I just didn't think it was that bad.
I didn't think sy awktin about give.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Of your standard for Sonny Hostin's behavior is so low
that if she didn't throw a complete FIA.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Because I saw the headlines. If people look Sonny Hostin
being so bad and then I saw it, I was.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Like, it wasn't that bad.
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Speaker 1 (33:34):
Uh, I just had so much fun with this story.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
We got a couple of other stories that that we
are going to dive into here. Team, let me know
if we have some funny talkbacks that we need to
get to. But I do think that can I.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
Just can I just here we can skip over all
the talk talkbacks where I'm getting suplex for being too
nice to Sonny Hostin. Okay, because we're gonna get a
lot of those I.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Call like I see him.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I just I love that Sonny Hostin's expected behavior is
so bad that if she just didn't throw an unbelievable
fit that that would not classify or qualify as her
surprising me with her bed.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
I mean, I would expect Do you remember there was
a while ago there was a CNN International correspondent who
was like found by security somewhere at some embassy in
like a drunken rage, and she just started shouting at
them like.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Do you know who I am? Like that's sonny host level.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Here's a good question. Has anyone ever said do you
know who I am? And it helped them in the
interaction in which they were involved?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
If you have to say it, the answer is it's
not important enough for anyone to care.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I'm trying to think of any time when it could
be played in and actually be affective.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Can I just say this is this is what I
get just for trying to be honest VIP email from
Edgar Fuck are you kidding? Your position is shameful? You
need help or join the part.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I didn't say it was good. I just said it
wasn't that bad. But you know fine?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Oh man, Dan is so that's funny. Dan is really serious.
Trespassing is a very serious offense. Ask the January sixth
people that were charged with it. Oh, now you're getting
Now you're getting January sixth, the emails here. I will
say again, if she just said what is true? Parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles,
(35:34):
people try to advocate for their kids and their grandkids,
and their nieces and their nephews, cousins. Everybody friends family
as much as they can.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
If she had just.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Said that, instead of playing the I'm always a victim card.
Then when she came out and tried to use all
of the incredible privileges that she has to exonerate her
son from some relative simply minor wrongdoing, I'm.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Just might be inclined to give her a little bit
more of a past.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Well, I maybe am just going to be the one
who gets the last laugh here when I am sitting
betwixt Joy Behar, Sonny Houstin, perhaps even the one and only,
uh WHOOPI Goldberg, And they'll say where's Clay, and Sonny
will say, well, Buck was nice that one time, whereas Clay. Wow,
(36:26):
We're getting like eight hundred word emails of rage at
my position on this.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I I seven out of ten. I didn't say it
wasn't bad. I just said it wasn't that bad. Said
it's fun here.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I do think he's coming, because I'm gonna have fun
with him tomorrow. I will say, I do think you're
right about the way she behaved. Cameras changed the dynamic
in a way that made it better. She's still awful,
but better than maybe you expect it.
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